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  • Опубліковано 28 лют 2019
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    Learn how to play 21 against 22 (or any polyrhythm). It's not only possible, but it's not as difficult as you might think. In this video, we look at a few ways to play polyrhythms -- including Jacob Collier's famous 21:22 -- as well as some musical applications and benefits of practicing these rhythms.
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  • @ShawnCrowder
    @ShawnCrowder  5 років тому +1738

    Looks like Adam Neely and I had the same idea this week. I shot this last weekend before seeing his video. Editing/graphics/gummies took forever, so just uploading now. But funny to see similarities & differences, almost down to the same jokes... I guess playing in bands together for 10 years will do that. Enjoy this drummer's perspective on the subject!

    • @lukec1471
      @lukec1471 5 років тому +62

      Best UA-cam couple

    • @somerandomdudeable
      @somerandomdudeable 5 років тому +26

      You even use the same fonts

    • @KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally
      @KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally 5 років тому +14

      Honestly, I love Adams videos but this was a really really excellent video and more that just complimenting Adam's it gave a really good insight into the topic

    • @spacebiggles
      @spacebiggles 5 років тому +23

      Yall got the same profile picture and edit your videos the same way. I'm on to you sungazer punks. This isn't a coincidence it's a gosh darn dang sundangledgazer conspiracy. You boys are in cahoots and the general public knows it.

    • @OnlyARide
      @OnlyARide 5 років тому +10

      You two make a great tuplet :)

  • @AdamNeely
    @AdamNeely 5 років тому +3311

    damn dude. this is so good!
    EDIT: to people saying that our UA-cam videos are similar...its almost as if we lived together for 5 years and have played together for over a decade.
    I've learned a lot from Shawn, and gleefully steal from him at every opportunity I can.

    • @Corporate_Desecration
      @Corporate_Desecration 5 років тому +101

      Sorry, Adam. I’m leaving you for your bandmate💔

    • @AdamNeely
      @AdamNeely 5 років тому +160

      Sawyer Smith his drumming and UA-cam game is too strong.

    • @Corporate_Desecration
      @Corporate_Desecration 5 років тому +32

      Don’t worry, I’ll still come back for occasional late night flings with your videos

    • @alessandrocavallaro4160
      @alessandrocavallaro4160 5 років тому +2

      Better than yours no offense

    • @Corporate_Desecration
      @Corporate_Desecration 5 років тому +25

      Alessandro Cavallaro Alright lets take a step back now

  • @EdgeOspina
    @EdgeOspina 4 роки тому +429

    Content: 10/10
    Explanation: 10/10
    Skills: 10/10
    Notes: 21/22

  • @nwinches
    @nwinches 5 років тому +813

    I can't wait for Sungazer Vol 3 with its 99:100 polyrhythm and Ben Levin M&M solo

    • @lukesmusic317
      @lukesmusic317 5 років тому +19

      I need a Ben Levin M&M composition now.

    • @benlevin6275
      @benlevin6275 5 років тому +5

      Would you care for a budget version

  • @Nyuu3
    @Nyuu3 5 років тому +1186

    The timing of the upload just looks like you saw a bassist talk about rhythm and went "Oh, that's adorable".

    • @No-pm4ss
      @No-pm4ss 5 років тому +9

      Nyuu3 I laughed for too long at this

    • @bobobrien8968
      @bobobrien8968 4 роки тому +8

      Anki Be nice. Bassists are people too.

    • @formfaktor
      @formfaktor 3 роки тому +2

      OMG. best comment. :)

    • @kirbymusicschool4827
      @kirbymusicschool4827 3 роки тому +5

      Bob o'Brien no we’re not!

    • @Sabercon
      @Sabercon 3 роки тому +1

      im a bassist myself and i find this funny

  • @kemaldenizercan3726
    @kemaldenizercan3726 5 років тому +388

    99 against 100 sounds like my begginer drummer friend trying to play fast singles

    • @asmodeus9075
      @asmodeus9075 5 років тому +41

      I don't even play drums but once i played 24 against 79.
      I was drunk also.
      How about that?

    • @jaredpeterson9459
      @jaredpeterson9459 5 років тому +1

      asmo deus proof?

    • @maxmillman9477
      @maxmillman9477 4 роки тому +6

      Since we've re-classified this type of playing as advanced polyrhythms, your friend is a virtuoso now!

  • @ishandave3542
    @ishandave3542 5 років тому +150

    Here are a few video ideas for you
    1. Metric modulation
    2.Rhythmic displacements
    3.Tuplet based swings
    4.Microrhythms
    5.Indian rhythmic compositions(Tihaia , Korvais etc)

    • @DiePixelkrieger
      @DiePixelkrieger 5 років тому +18

      Yes,
      Yes,
      Yes,
      Yes,
      Yes

    • @noslowerdna
      @noslowerdna 5 років тому +5

      And when you bend the pitch, but adjust the tempo in the other direction.

    • @rich1051414
      @rich1051414 5 років тому +2

      @@noslowerdna Metal does this quite often. The pitch bends down, the tempo speeds up.

  • @leaguemaskthaamumugod7552
    @leaguemaskthaamumugod7552 5 років тому +191

    I was so ready for this to be an Adam Neely rip and I’m so glad it’s not. Excellent video - currently living the percussionist’s wet dream of two different polyrhythm videos in one week

  • @HimanXK
    @HimanXK 5 років тому +66

    That groove on the ride is perfect for Sungazer

    • @diegocerecero
      @diegocerecero 5 років тому

      Aidan Xavier actually waiting a song with that beat

    • @BlindManBert
      @BlindManBert 4 роки тому

      Agree. Without hearing the keyboard phrases which inspired the ride polyrhythm, you can see it feels not at all forced or odd, but an added subtle texture on the drum. Not in your face solo. Not filigree (great work). I would use the term texture to describe the new option on the rhythmic palette of the piece. I may seek out the full track at some point, but I get the idea.

  • @parkerpurciful7676
    @parkerpurciful7676 5 років тому +110

    The third way to conceptualize 21:22 (and the ending 99:100 especially) sounds a lot like phasing

    • @ShawnCrowder
      @ShawnCrowder  5 років тому +62

      yep! it's basically the same thing.

    • @YahualiMusic
      @YahualiMusic 5 років тому +10

      Came here to say this. On a big enough scale, you're basically Steve Reich'ing it... 😁

  • @manaswimishra17
    @manaswimishra17 5 років тому +331

    Since this is an adam neely for drums kind of channel, you need some audio tags saying ... "Drums!" at the end.

  • @jovianarsenic6893
    @jovianarsenic6893 5 років тому +53

    I rate this 99/100

  • @sambkingmusic
    @sambkingmusic 5 років тому +63

    YES to Shawn Crowder making this kind of content!

  • @SignalsMusicStudio
    @SignalsMusicStudio 5 років тому +68

    This is an amazing video, thank you and excellent work!

    • @eglathren
      @eglathren 3 роки тому

      Your video was what helped me (a non musician/amateur singer) manage to do a 3:4 polyrhythm with finger snapping hahaha thank you, your channel is really cool!

  • @ijimedia
    @ijimedia 5 років тому +205

    Ben Levin is basically clickbait you shoulda put him in the thumbnail

  • @jclayworthjc
    @jclayworthjc 4 роки тому +14

    So whenever my unison strokes become sloppy and turn into a single stroke roll I need to practice more but whenever Jacob Collier does it its musical genius...

  • @prarobinson
    @prarobinson 5 років тому +29

    The groove you came up with (@9:40) is great! Very musical. 👍

    • @isaacthecorncob
      @isaacthecorncob 4 роки тому +1

      Agree completely. It's basically a much more complex drunk/Dilla beat. (I think I spelled "Dilla" right.) I also really liked the ostinato he did, too.
      Also, when I liked your comment it went from 21 to 22. That was too perfect

  • @mikebliss3153
    @mikebliss3153 5 років тому +34

    I actually really enjoy you aping Adam's style and giving it your own subtle spin. Very nice continuity between the two channels.

    • @BigDaddyWes
      @BigDaddyWes 5 років тому +7

      It was accidental. He said he shot the video last weekend before he saw Adam's.

    • @mikebliss3153
      @mikebliss3153 5 років тому +5

      @@BigDaddyWes Serendipitous, then. They should still continue it.

  • @major7thsharp11
    @major7thsharp11 5 років тому +35

    Child custody ended with Adam Neely
    Now Shawn Crowder is my UA-cam dad

  • @stonemagagna
    @stonemagagna 3 роки тому +1

    What I love about your teaching is that you teach in concepts rather than just teaching directly about something. I think that’s what sets you apart so much from other educators.

  • @MrMuppet1970
    @MrMuppet1970 5 років тому +2

    Interesting approach for polyrhytms, I have been multiplying the factors, then hitting on them until I reach the product. Once i get a feel for the rhythm , i can increase the speed.

  • @jonnyroxx7172
    @jonnyroxx7172 4 роки тому

    I absolutely love your videos.
    You do a really great job of showing the actual process of learning music.

  • @zacredington4776
    @zacredington4776 5 років тому +1

    I think the 21 22 grooves you played were fucking awesome. Seriously. I want this shit in music. Like actual songs I can listen to.

  • @theghostofyoutube5921
    @theghostofyoutube5921 5 років тому +2

    Love your content and drumming so much, Shawn! You're a huge inspiration to me!

  • @jaune4720
    @jaune4720 5 років тому

    that's a really good video!! musically speaking, but also entertaining, well produced, well explained. congrats!!!

  • @MrEdUrAt
    @MrEdUrAt 5 років тому +12

    1 minute in and I already love this video style. You earned a sub!

  • @maxadrums
    @maxadrums 5 років тому +6

    Shawn. You're absolutely fantastic. Talk about a killer video with fantastic production from a good dude. Now I need to check out more of your stuff.
    If you choose to become active on this platform with content like this, you'll go FLYING.

  • @Skelletor87
    @Skelletor87 5 років тому

    Ever since i found out about Sungazer i cant stop listening. You are truly an awesome inspiration to practice my techniques and get my chops up!

  • @8varium5
    @8varium5 5 років тому +35

    I'm sensing a trend here.

  • @joshuajosiahcolumbus
    @joshuajosiahcolumbus 5 років тому +1

    I was going to say that people need stop making videos on this but then I realized how valuable each unique perspective is and how it only really helps me gain a better understanding of the concepts to see everybody’s take on it. Good stuff man.

  • @ZuriekJT
    @ZuriekJT 5 років тому +1

    The way you presented with candy and the drum sticks was quite brilliant. Very well done.

  • @musicbyclay4919
    @musicbyclay4919 4 роки тому

    I love how you explain these cool rhythmic ideas!! Very cool video!!👍👍👍

  • @Hontonoki
    @Hontonoki 5 років тому

    this is amazing. your effort and production value should earn you well over a million subs! how you're at 10k is beyond me. awesome job, liked and subscribed

  • @Spenjira
    @Spenjira 4 роки тому +1

    poly metrics and polyrhythmics are 2 different things. many people can play straight metrics against eachother. not many can play actual involved rhythms against eachother without alot of practice. great vid!

  • @kubilay1839
    @kubilay1839 5 років тому +1

    Great video shawn. Thank you for making this awesome video.

  • @ACMusicTheory
    @ACMusicTheory 5 років тому +26

    Missed an opportunity by not making the video 21:22 long
    I still subbed though

  • @arcadedomination8006
    @arcadedomination8006 5 років тому +1

    Great vid Shawn! You can really see you and Adam influence eachother in terms of editing and explaining.

  • @BigPhi84
    @BigPhi84 5 років тому

    Well-explained, excellently produced, informative, non-pretentious video! You have gained a subscriber and fan! Cheers from Savannah! 👍👍🍻

  • @marcelo_luz
    @marcelo_luz 5 років тому

    I must do a comment! For 2 reasons first of course you did a perfect balance video between emphaty and teaching and secondly by consequence you won a new subscriber. Hope as soon as possible that your channel raise fast!
    Thanks!

  • @nicosan3301
    @nicosan3301 5 років тому

    so cool that both adam and you talk about this stuff, so I can understand sungazer's songs

  • @TiempoNegro
    @TiempoNegro 5 років тому

    this video is GREAT thank you ♥ especially becouse i've been looking into this theme A LOT this last couple of months

  • @basilschreyer8807
    @basilschreyer8807 5 років тому

    I love that kind of content! I really enjoy the hard work you put into those videos! It would be awesome if you would keep on doing those.

  • @TheParadiseParadox
    @TheParadiseParadox 4 роки тому +8

    i think it's important to mention the guy from mexico city playing 7 against 11 at 7:11 on 7/11 outside a 7-11

  • @percusswords
    @percusswords 4 роки тому

    Well explained, and a solid example of balancing music with music theory

  • @bobobrien8968
    @bobobrien8968 4 роки тому +2

    I’ve been trying to get a better grip on timing as a basic guitarist. Never cared much for most of my 68 years. Your awesome videos was like an epiphany to me. Thank you. Btw, loved Zappa when I first heard him in the 70s. Wish he was still with us but his music, black pages and all, always will be.

    • @wolfetteplays8894
      @wolfetteplays8894 Рік тому

      He still is, hologram concerts and unreleased demos are keeping his dream alive

  • @Servando6abe
    @Servando6abe 5 років тому

    wow, very interesting approach, thank you shawn.

  • @TheCommentator353
    @TheCommentator353 4 роки тому

    This channel needs more subscribers. So many more

  • @iancontreras7688
    @iancontreras7688 4 роки тому

    ....that accent ride shit is so easy to think of, but absolutely killer to watch you execute it. Wonderful vid, my friend.

  • @blackie126
    @blackie126 5 років тому

    Welp, I saw the thumbnail, saw the channel picture, then clicked. I was curious, as I knew Adam’s channel well (been following for years). I then saw the Sungazer link in the desc and realized you were his bandmate! Then, Adam’s comment cleared it up further. I’m so glad I clicked, because now I get my music theory fill twice as much now, with content just as good!
    Well done Shawn! You gained a new sub, this video was fantastic!

  • @skaynekurtis
    @skaynekurtis 4 роки тому

    ...stumbled upon this...couldn't subscribe to Shawn's channel fast enough... brain bomb material...so kindly broken down... epic Mike Mangini photage!

  • @BeatNavMetronome
    @BeatNavMetronome 5 років тому

    Amazing Video Shawn, keep it up!!

  • @gabrielwareing
    @gabrielwareing 5 років тому +1

    This is awesome, I'd love to see more of this kind of content

  • @hadlerleco1
    @hadlerleco1 4 роки тому

    You are freaking great man. Thank you for the videos.

  • @ErinWi
    @ErinWi 5 років тому +19

    You don't need to make an Adam Neely for drums channel. You're rocking your own thing and I hope you keep it up.

  • @ShallieDragon
    @ShallieDragon 5 років тому +1

    Dude this was fantastic. It's given me a much better appreciation of how complex rhythm can be. I'm feeling pretty inspired right now.
    Also, the quality of your videos is on-point.

    • @asmodeus9075
      @asmodeus9075 5 років тому

      Man if you like this listen to some tool. If you're not into that kind of music give it a listen anyway, because the drummer is known for putting complex polyrythyms and syncopation that still sound organic and natural.
      Try with Triad

    • @ShallieDragon
      @ShallieDragon 5 років тому +1

      @@asmodeus9075 I've been an avid Tool fan for years. They're pretty amazing.

  • @TheRealTeebz
    @TheRealTeebz 2 роки тому

    Great video. During your play of the 21 against 22 I could hear a big ole trombone or something brassy kinda like that blasting thru. yeah daddiooo.

  • @insertname8889
    @insertname8889 5 років тому

    Your first video I've ever seen, great job man, damn, i love your music too!

  • @hanny9532
    @hanny9532 5 років тому

    This is fantastic, thank you for this

  • @essencelove9130
    @essencelove9130 3 роки тому

    You are awesome! Thank for this amazing video! It helped me a lot.

  • @stclairmusicuk
    @stclairmusicuk 5 років тому

    See Shawn Crowder teaching Shawn Crowder = Instant subscribe

  • @TheJma945
    @TheJma945 5 років тому

    This is brilliant! I love it. Good stuff, and I'll have to check out your channel in the future

  • @bertimel3005
    @bertimel3005 5 років тому +1

    Really nice video! Keep up the good work! :)

  • @halflearned2190
    @halflearned2190 5 років тому

    Really cool video, Shawn. Subbed.

  • @nathanspaulding7380
    @nathanspaulding7380 3 роки тому

    I love the red dot next to Rec is blinking in time

  • @marselmusic
    @marselmusic 5 років тому

    nice to see a drummers view on this... its cool to see the drummer and bassist give differne vies on this!

  • @pierreg8562
    @pierreg8562 4 роки тому +1

    your 21/22 rhythm in the 9min is actually awesome

  • @gxexrxmxaxnx
    @gxexrxmxaxnx 5 років тому

    I love your drumming, especially in Electro. Cheers!

  • @baptistewxpolpodcast3339
    @baptistewxpolpodcast3339 5 років тому

    The editing on this is glorious !

  • @ben9613
    @ben9613 5 років тому

    Great video! I learned a lot

  • @nirke_
    @nirke_ 5 років тому +1

    This was awesome!

  • @johnknight9150
    @johnknight9150 3 роки тому

    That beat around the ten minute mark sounded more musical with the click, and actually provided a context, rather than just sounding like awkward flams or something.

  • @medpink3168
    @medpink3168 5 років тому +1

    This is amazing, this guy needs like 1 more million subs

  • @oliverpope4915
    @oliverpope4915 5 років тому

    Holy shit Shawn I'm freaking out. This is so cool and has my heart doing polyrhythms out of sheer excitement. Thank you so much, I love this kind of thorough explanation. Thank you. Thank you.

  • @AlistairCooperMusic
    @AlistairCooperMusic 3 роки тому

    That first musical example is a phat beat! Super nice!

  • @CAKmusic
    @CAKmusic 5 років тому

    It's cool seeing videos like this crop up.....I was experimenting with similar concepts over a decade ago. Even compiled a long list of one-level nested tuplets. I think there is a strong future in music with "fragmented" durations, but as always there will have to be commonly used tropes (cliches) to become culturally significant on a larger scale

  • @samgentle
    @samgentle 5 років тому +1

    Oh man this is so good. That last version of 21:22 was right on the edge of my rhythmic comprehension, like I could tell there was a groove but couldn't quite feel it.

  • @Leonlion0305
    @Leonlion0305 5 років тому +5

    this video just remind me of left turn lane when there are 1 or 2 cars ahead of me and had their signal light on, but due to turn on at a slightly off time and each car model probably flicker at different rate so it looks like they are going in and out of phase. and 2 cars plus mine is in triplet form lol,
    sometimes I thought of it as two metronome playing at different bpm

  • @dominicstokes4424
    @dominicstokes4424 3 роки тому

    Bro I've been in love with Adam Neely for years but this is the first video of yours I've ever seen and I'm fuckin converted.
    Love it

  • @andrewnicorn
    @andrewnicorn 5 років тому

    This video is actually really accessible and informational for something that seems pretty high faluting. I'm a dumb guitar player and I learned a lot.

  • @timolsen3116
    @timolsen3116 4 роки тому

    Hey Shawn--awesome! Composite rhythm is where it's at!

  • @neodental7312
    @neodental7312 5 років тому

    Holy shitbags. You're killing it. Great demo! Sounds so cool. Thank you. Steve.

  • @traderjoestar
    @traderjoestar 5 років тому +2

    Nice stuff man. I'd love to hear about your practice routine, as a drummer whos into similar stuff as you but not at your level yet obviously. Stuff like what you do to keep your hands in shape, coordination stuff, and bass drum technique, drummers to transcribe. Okay I guess ill go practice now

  • @Varra1
    @Varra1 5 років тому +1

    i love the style of the video!

  • @rallokkcaz
    @rallokkcaz 4 роки тому

    Holy FUCK, that slower drum beat you came up with towards end is so sick. Subscribed and swoon.

  • @Attilargh
    @Attilargh 5 років тому +57

    I'm trying to learn the guitar, what on earth am I doing here?

    • @BigDaddyWes
      @BigDaddyWes 5 років тому +7

      Getting in way over your head xD

    • @Fingeroo
      @Fingeroo 5 років тому +6

      As a small icon, you look like Chris Pratt

    • @zolin6840
      @zolin6840 5 років тому +7

      but the beginning seemed so slow and frustrating

    • @bakedspade
      @bakedspade 5 років тому

      Lawrence Rhodes hahaha man does

    • @DanielGonzalezC
      @DanielGonzalezC 5 років тому +2

      It'll help keep you grounded.

  • @issussov
    @issussov 5 років тому

    Pretty cool video! Cheerz :)

  • @miki_the_little198
    @miki_the_little198 10 місяців тому

    For me the best way of doing polyrhythms is by spreading them across multiple instruments, each playing different subdivisions, and drums being the instrument which merges these clashing parts together

  • @matthewdeakin9939
    @matthewdeakin9939 5 років тому +5

    Now this was INTENSE

  • @WafenesssMagussska
    @WafenesssMagussska 5 років тому

    I watched this video up to the moment you said about sungazer, noticed you're in a band with Adam and was like dayuuum goood n subscribed instantly

  • @AdamWoodhams
    @AdamWoodhams 5 років тому

    you guys are freaking me out

  • @hamishmac100
    @hamishmac100 4 роки тому

    Love it ❤️ thank you

  • @hidehitosatoh
    @hidehitosatoh 5 років тому

    Thank you Thank you Thank you very much for learning!!

  • @aaronbones4290
    @aaronbones4290 3 роки тому

    that first example where you filled the gaps with 16th note double kicks. It's ideal for a prog deathcore outro in a breakdown form.

  • @TheYeqy
    @TheYeqy 5 років тому

    God damn man! 😀 Just the sheer effort of playing all of this 😂😂😂 mad props! 🙌

  • @BikRen
    @BikRen 3 роки тому

    Good job!👍🏼

  • @gabrielladias420
    @gabrielladias420 5 років тому +1

    I was going to suggest playing whatever ratio your like to dislike was but it's honestly too much at this point. loved this!

  • @Inople901278
    @Inople901278 5 років тому

    Loved the ostinato example

  • @Pushpin06
    @Pushpin06 5 років тому

    More like this please!

  • @RipzOnNubes
    @RipzOnNubes 5 років тому

    Hello I’m your friendly neighborhood saxophone player! I’ve been watching Adam Neely for a while now and now I’m subbed to you (whether or not you make an AN but drums channel). Keep up the good work and keep inspiring younger musicians!

  • @erbihc1781
    @erbihc1781 5 років тому +48

    This wankery is going so far that the music genre that will spawn in response will be in 1 : 1

    • @asmodeus9075
      @asmodeus9075 5 років тому

      I think there are some types of eletronic music which uses that. Like hardcore.

    • @erbihc1781
      @erbihc1781 5 років тому +1

      @@asmodeus9075 dang no ! you are unfair^^ hardcore is not that simple, just listen to Sick Of it All or Counterparts

    • @erbihc1781
      @erbihc1781 5 років тому +1

      @@asmodeus9075 ohh sorry I just learnt there is a electronic genre also called hardcore !! that's weird

    • @asmodeus9075
      @asmodeus9075 5 років тому +1

      @@erbihc1781 i mean, its not alwaya technically 1:1 but sometimes it gives me that feel.
      Even our heartbeats are more complicate than that XD

    • @asmodeus9075
      @asmodeus9075 5 років тому +3

      Also talking about wankery vs minimalism. There is a composer that has a piece that consists of silence. He just sits there in silence for some time.
      It may sound stupid but as an idea it is extremely powerful.
      Just like everything. A dance between sound and silence, light and darkness, existance and non-existance.
      I love to talk about these things expecially on psychedelics lol