About time they evolved nothing worse than being backwards like these sicko bunch -- religion can really screw things up wacko ideas are so detrimental live and let live get out of that messed up Muslim (christian included ) waste of idealism its 2019 not 1519
16th century? I just watched a video about Medina. It felt like some street scene from the 8th century, or maybe even earlier. The 16th century Europe was way more developed than that.
Kekes120 Fucking god yes because we Muslims respect and follow our holy book Quran! If we dont follow whats mentioned in it.. it makes our god unhappy, upset and angry
I been driving since I was 16 years old. My parents encouraged me to get a part time job while I go to school. My parents encouraged me to travel. I still can’t understand that in 2019 man would not be happy for woman to help them out.... by driving,working etc.
Sad Jonesy Huh? My sisters are arab and they are allowed to drive at 18 they started practicing at 15-16...They travelled to more then 15 countries without a husband and have the freedom of choice of wearing anything they want some chose to wear hijab some didn’t it mostly depends on the parents
1:28 "Frankly it looks like a pretty ordinary evening at a kind of Western fun-fare''. Umm has she looked around herself? 100% of women wearing full burqas.
Minor nitpicky correction; those are niqabs, not burqas. Plus you could literally see some women wearing your average Muslim hijab. Moreover, the narrator was describing a scene not often found in Saudi Arabia. You usually don't find men, women, or children together gathering for an EDM concert or a circus performance (both of which are pretty Western in origin).
Yes its good for them only.. they are precious diamonds.. who protect themselves by wearing burqas and niqabs.. n they know very well about modesty! They might wear shorts infront of their husbands but in public they cover themselves nicely .. as its written in Quran to cover yourself from non mahrims .. for both men and women
M of bourbon its not about choice! Its a must to cover yourself when you go out.. coz its haram to reveal body shape,skin , hands and feets for a woman to show non mahrim! A woman can even stand naked infront of her husband since its not haram at all to do that infront of your husband...
M of bourbon in Quran its written that a woman can wear anything infront of their aunts,uncles and cousins.. but not infront of unknown males and who have sense about sex..go and read whats written in Quran about dressing code for man and woman.. and modest dressing is must for every muslim.. if we do not follow Quran and Islam.. it upsets and make anger Allah severely..by which Allah may even punish us severely
Saudi Arabia is improving and I don’t think a lot of people see that. Saudi Arabia is not horrible, every country has its problems, you can’t ignore that fact. Saudi Arabia is trying to work to fix those problems and remove it. Islam is not the problem, nor is anyone that isn’t Muslim. I wish we had freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia. The problem is westerns think Saudi Arabia is so terrible and we need help. Stop caring about us, people help the people living under communism in North Korea or China, they need it more than we do. Help others than need help, we have food to eat, air to breath, and shelter, we have jobs and incomes. Help other that worry about the next time they will eat.
Of you want to westernize Saudi, than westernize it with the good elements of the west. Such as good education, technology, etc... Not "only" the haram elements, such as nightclubs.
@@narmeenulfdfd3993 that's why you speak and write in English and he doesn't need to know arabic. Western culture is far superior than Wahabism. The Economist is part of our Western culture. You must go now to your mosque, poor boy, brainwashed and ignorant.
Alfred The West is dying, we must save it be careful your white mentality is shining through and fucking westerners are the cause of 99% of the worlds problems
Mohaamd_7 these interviews are strategically worded they don’t want to do better. They said Saudi implements an extreme interpretation of Islam in the very beginning and mbs is making a more moderate Islam! They don’t know what Islam is. So the ignorant can’t do better until they seek knowledge
Probably 98% of these commenters have never been to Saudi so they’re just speaking out of their rear ends. But this is not a surprise they are calling for democracy in the kingdom and this change and that change و لن ترضى عنك اليهود و لا النصارى حتى تتبع ملتهم
It’s literally a Rothschild-owned media company. What do you expect? They want to promote decadence and immorality under the guise of non-sense like „women’s rights“ and „equality“.
Always find it extremely simplifying when youth is almost automatically associated with liberalism. Modernism sure, but only in the sense of its close semantic relation to the word "new". Youth is not liberal, youth is easily seduced by the new trends, youth is seduced by the change - this is what history teaches us. And as fast as Arab spring turned into Arab autumn, and as much as the youth in the western societies is becoming more conservative and religious (USA, UK, France, Poland, Hungary) happily voting for right-wing parties - representing the change (just not the one liberal-minded people would want) - the same most probably will happened after short liberal revitalisation of Saudi. Without deep social change and with such a strong presence of radical interpretation of Islam in the society, liberalization is unsustainable, the more liberl Saudi will be just a short-lived, celebrated by the West oddity that will soon go back to conservative values... As long as religion and law are one, I'm keeping my fingers crossed but do not belive in the long-lived change.
WhatKamilReads I also believe that even if MBS is successfully, it will be followed a huge back lash by the conservative backbone of Saudi Arabia. One that is so great it may spell the end for the Al saud dynasty.
Leftists in Saudi Arabia are a minority. They all belong to foreign families or weak bloodline. Saudi Arabia and nearby countries share the same bloodlines of families as big as the Royal family, from before the country exists, They still exist and they share a great sense of belonging to each other. Of course, they are strict with their traditions. even women. And Families refuse to marry from any bloodline outside of the big families. In these videos Liberals always interview the minority because they share the same interests.
A more 'moderate form of Islam' just to please western societies is not how islam was first implemented. Verily Islam was strange at first and will return to be strange.
+water tastes so good well that's just rude -.- Its annoying when people point out the whole population of a country and label them as "dumb" or something. A lot of Saudi's are smart and have high intentions. Me personally. I love to study and love to learn and reading your comment is just offending.
I don't care if we meet "western standards". All I care about is having a fair freedom, enjoying myself, and being well educated. Though what I really want and mostly worried about is us losing all of our culture and religion in order to satisfy westerners. I hope that we can balance everything and not get too carried away. Not gonna say all of my opinions cus I know many of them might spark arguments. Love some of these changes though it is a little scary with all these sudden changes coming so quickly. Though I do have hope.
As a non muslim, who was raised in a an Islamic country and and a native speaker of Arabic. I don't need anyone to tell me what Islam is. I know Islam very well and understand the Islamic mentality that hates the non muslims and suppress women. My people suffered from racism, violence, and even killing. Churches were attacked and burned. Thank God I have immigrated to Western country, I see muslims here enjoy freedom of religion and worship. What people don't understand that they're multiplying like rabbots, and aim one day to rule the Western countries. I wish my kids won't see what we saw in the future, this is my nightmare ربنا يرحمنا ويرحمكم
You are true and informed. Islam would conquer the world and turn it into a concentration camp if humanity does not wake up from the DECADENT slumber. Thank you for speaking TRUTH.
Saudi Arabia is most mysterious country in the world i lived there 3 years but descrimination are too much,and no value of human being there expect saudi. totally hell country.
Saudi Arabia has no connection to ISIS or other terrorist groups. We need a different way of viewing things. Not the average stereotype of Saudi Arabia.
that remains to be seen... wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE131801_a.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_of_Saudi_Arabia_to_ISIL#Allegations_of_Sponsorship
@@lucrativelyrics8131 mate, i read the entire thing. Theres allegations of it, the specific thing it mentions is that money sent towards syrian rebels was taken by isis in the link.
Can you imagine how the pioneers could have opened up the frontier in the United States if women had been held in bondage? Women were needed to handle tough jobs as a partner. Keeping women in bondage means using half your brain power. Glad my wife is smart and independent.
👏🏻👏🏻 strong men want an equal loving partnership with their wife. Weak men feel they are inadequate and are threatened and need to keep women under their control
How come the westerners consider that anything that’s against the western norm is abnormal. Somehow westerners want to preach to us that they respect other people’s cultural and yet criticize it. I’m not referring to women not being able to drive as a culture but the mingling of men and women is something that Islam strongly condemns and yet western journalists keep on bashing Islamic country for practicing their religion.
+Adan Ahmed.....It's YOUR islamic culture that has brought so much hatred since 9/11 when the NYC towers were taken down by islamic idiots, killing 3,000 innocent people, all in the name of your so called god allah. How stupid was that. It's no wonder the world hates islam and your god allah. Your culture produces VIOLENCE in the world. Your so called false religion needs to be destroyed once and for all. Your religion hates everyone who is not a muslim. You know that, I know that. We do respect other people's culture, but we don't want VIOLENCE and DEATH ! Your so called prophet allah, was a phedophile and child molester. I'm sure you know that, but your culture is trying so hard to keep that quiet. Your prophet allah was an older man in his 60's, when he married young girls as young as age 8 or 9 yrs. of age. He used them for his sexual pleasure. He abused these little girls and he was the worst kind of pedophile on this earth. How disgusting he was, your prophet allah. What do you think about that you ugly creep?!
Adan Ahmed....What is wrong with men & women 'mingling' in social circumstances considered wrong and condemned by Islam religion ??? It's no wonder, all your marriages are arranged by your family. There's no such thing as two people finding each other, and falling in love. You religion forces marriage on two innocent people, WHO most likely would never marry each other if they had their own choice. That is brutal, controlling and a crime. Your religion is of HATE.
@@ryanw3874 yet you pay women less tha men for working the same job, your rape rights are as high as the sky, while our rape rated are neglegable, yeah, sure.
No man or woman on earth should beat another living soul period. That includes animals for heaven sake. The idea that men are superior is preposterous.
why wouldn't they let women drive ?! this is stupid, I'm muslim too, from Algeria, I mean, women at the time of the prophet used to ride on camels, horses, they even used to go on war, the first wife of prophet Muhammed peace be upon him used to be the most powerful and most rich woman in Mecca, and he used to work as a merchant for her, what they're doing has nothing to do with islam whatsoever, there's nothing in our religion that opprosses women, in fact, islam tells us to respect them and love them and be equal, there's a whole chapter in the Quran dedicated to them, called "Women" (Surat al nissa), if women weren't important in Islam why would God make a surah for them and not for men ?, and the saudi arabian men are hypocrites (not all of them offcourse, but the ones who have this type of mentality) they want to force their women on hijab, and stay at home and command them, but they'll be partying in nightclubs with naked oriental dancers
I live in Saudi and I'm from Scotland. I've been shouted at for accidentally going into the male part at Starbucks and screamed at like properly screamed at for not wearing an aubia and just remember I'm a teen.
i am Saudi and once I was walking in Austria with my family and a man in a car give me and my family the finger, and also was a high schooler at the time. it was my first time getting exposed to this situation.
Some people regard Islam, Saudi Gov, Wahabism as the same one. As far as I know they are not. Arabian culture is changing lot, and Saudi gov tries to change and be innovative. I would say in 5years Saudi will have a quite different culture view from now on with the young leader.. God bless Saudi
I think there are some parties (the ex-pats, the SA rich and US) who like this and go along with it because they will benefit from it but most people won't. Letting women drive is a stab in the heart to the less-well-off. It's a show of opening up that just allows for "The Housewives of Mecca" to have more thrills at the expense of thier maids. Another sham.
Hmm they called "moderate islam" and show us the group of people holding on a gun, just like.. Wth, I mean it's discriminate the image of the real islam
Imam Muslim (r) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (RA) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen…” one of whom was, “women who are clothed yet naked…” According to Imam Ahmad (r) he said: “Curse them, for they are cursed.”
I AM SO PROUD TO BE SAUDI, FINALLY SAUDI IS FLOURISHING!. WE BELIVE AND SUPPORT OUR KING AND CROWN PRINCE REGARDLESS OF ANYONES OPINIONS. LONG LIVE SAUDI AND GOD BLESS KING SALAMAN AND MBS
madmatt786 exactly western is the same people that lie about Iraq after 10!years we all realize they are not trustworthy...... all I will for who ever isn’t living in western countries don’t believe what ever you see on the TV about western countries it’s all propaganda
6:58 So is this more of an opinion piece than an actual report? "Democratic reforms could help. They could allow the prince to use his new popularity with the young and women to create a new support base.'' On what basis is she making this claim? Are there any examples of this succeeding before in the Middle East?
I love how this country is changing ways for women because is a new time in life for women. The Prince is good for being open minded about womem rights .
Music festival, women drivers, ...how is this progress for women? Where are women going to drive to? Women still need a man in the family to accompany them. Music is simply NOT ALLOWED in Islam. How is this revolution?
@Troy Edward Lol less than 4% of US married couples are virgins. Not really generalizing. It's hard to measure thottiness, but its clear from the marriage and birth rates... Comparing that to Muslims brought up as terrorists LOL
@Troy Edward *_There are no Muslim countries_* more or less, that ended after WWI when the Ottoman Empire was broken up. You're right lol, they aren't doing anything right because they aren't following Islam, only small insignificant fragments of it. Secondly, the success of nations means almost nothing when it comes to religion. Islam itself predicted things would turn out this way(Muslims not having power in the end). In fact it only adds faith if anything
@Troy Edward America is not just a superpower, it is the superpower of the world and every nation's people have gravitated to its hedonistic culture; we are starting to see the consequences play out. America is almost done playing its role. Give it 10-15 years. It's not a matter of opinion if it literally says things black and white. The only "matter of opinion" about it is whether it is individually important to you.
I think it’s quite good to wear burqa, you don’t need to be much worried about what to wear and can easily grab a burqa before getting out. It’s saves so much time!!
No. Having to wait for your driver to get to your location is so annoying. Not having privacy and he will report back to your husband or whoever every move u make. Not having the freedom to play your own music loud and usually they are Indian and make the whole care stink of B.O. no offense but that’s the truth in these hot countries. U are like a child in the backseat
Is it me or does it seem like the woman engineer made a deliberate decision not to use the word "independent" in her description of the impact of the ability to drive on women?
Anyone ever traveled in Saudi airline? The entertainment content available in their international flights is heavily edited. Just imagine what level of control is exercised upon the information inside the country. On the airport, women can’t go through the same metal detectors as men. They need to go through a separate room with a lady security in.
Mark my words, soon Saudi women will help make up the statistics of the #me too movement. Then they will realize how much safer they were. All the best, sisters.
😐 yes inshallah they will have the freedom and confidence go speak out if anything bad happens against them! Or u are suggesting they just stay home so that they don’t get harassed????? Live a life in a box
@@iziz5691 Women can be like a queen in their homes . I don't know why they want to harass themselves . I can understand if their husbands, for whatever reason, cannot earn. As long as the work environment is conducive to their Islam. Allah knows what is best for us. I Hope the Saudi government has women 's interest at heart. If they truly care for their women folks, they must think twice before making crucial decisions.
ماقول غير الله يصلح الحال، كل شوي مقطع اجنبي عن السعوديه وبناتها والله ان ي متقطع ومغبون ماقول غير حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل وش يبون في بلدنا وبناتها الله يحميكم من كل شر يابنات البلد
(*oppression is not a "culture")..for same reasons misogynist men from patriarchal societies (i.e. KSA) try to impose freedom limits on members of the opposite sex (& get away with it) - when all humans deserve equal rights (man or woman)
Human rights are universal, and everyone should be able to have them. Do you not think we all have inherent worth and dignity? Even aside from human rights, Saudi is crippling itself, its economy, and its future by excluding half the population from full participation in the economy. It's no accident that much of East Asia, Europe, and North America have the largest economies - more of their people are able to participate and grow it. Equality is in the interest of everyone in Saudi, but sadly some men's egos are too fragile for this reality...
@@ryanw3874 your culture give rise to colonialism, Atlantic slave trade ethnic genoiced of North and south America and Australian continent, Eugenetics, Fascism, Comunism, captalism, global climate pollution Hedonism and all The sexual depravation in the World, yeah, a truly a Great culture .
Come on! They have the best economy incomes for women and they can buy whatever they wanna buy then why should they work🤣🤣🤣 A heaven for women shopping, their luxury life 😂😂
The Economist is oversimplifying the ban on driving. Saudi women in rural areas where there aren't taxis have been allowed to drive for years so that they could get their kids to schools in other communities, get groceries, etc. while their husbands were at work. Saudi women in urban areas had to use taxis, Uber, etc.
A revolution has begun, amen! We finally surpassed the "it could be worse so get over it" scheme to completely ostracize the opportunity or ability to modify inequality for a better future. Go Saudi women, I stand fully beside you (even if its behind a window, still) ;)
Human spirit men or women always have chaffed at being held back or controlled which makes no sense, nature has given equal intelligence to both genders,evenly divided qualities, if women bear children, without sperms it cannot be done, if only male population of world understand this simple basic truth, it is not of weaker stronger but equality with given appropriate capabilities.
Months after this report, women were granted the freedom to issue a passport and travel anywhere in the world without having to worry about a male guardian! The change in Saudi is happening quickly
No it was only in 2015 when women got the right to vote and 2018 when they got the right to drive and 2019 when the gender segregation laws started to loosen up
Skimming through the comments makes is to remember that west is less ready to accept the other as it may claim. Evaluating the civilization and evolution by how the other is close to the self, but not to theoretical concepts that determine how advancement occur ,plus, Noting neither wearing burgaa or not, and criticizing any indicator of being 'outsider' represent the conflict between what is said, and what is practiced.
It’s more like an evolution rather than a revolution
+Billy Jeans......World religion needs to be destroyed.
@@thebigappleny321 And whys that? Did Sam Hawwis and Wichawd Dawkings say dat sweety?
@@thebigappleny321
Why?
"evolution rather than a revolution"
At this rate they'll enter the Iron Age in no time
About time they evolved nothing worse than being backwards like these sicko bunch -- religion can really screw things up wacko ideas are so detrimental live and let live get out of that messed up Muslim (christian included ) waste of idealism its 2019 not 1519
I guess SaudiArabia is a good market for eyeliners.
aon10003 ...hahaha
True I saw a 2 year old wear eyeliner and its on fleek
@T Regis kinda ironic eh
Hahahahaha 😂 😂 this mqde my day
They’ve been wearing it for hundreds of years specifically something called kuhl
Only few years after cars can drive themselves. Congratulation Saudis.
lmao.....sadly this gem of a comment is lost in emotional banter...well said michael azzi
They just allowed it in 2018
So Freedom Is All reduced to drive a car. Pathetic
Michael just wait until the ladies start asking to ride motorbikes !
That’s raw
Take down male guardianship and then talk
Argh that thank you
I can’t even imagine having a male guardian.
They did
kcmn00
happy news, it has been taken down!
like just few days ago
Done . 😂😂🤣
Welcome to Saudi Arabia, you are in the middle of 16th century.
Absolutely true..
@hogn in a different religion that forces women to dress in a way that makes them look like a mail box?
16th century? I just watched a video about Medina. It felt like some street scene from the 8th century, or maybe even earlier. The 16th century Europe was way more developed than that.
@@iwrotethis4712 no one asked for your opinion about hijab ! hijab is the symbol of precious and modernness
@@terkukurpikat then you think showing your body to anyone who doesn't deserve to see it is the modern thing ?
Bullshit as along as male guardian ship is standing still
Kekes120 Fucking god yes because we Muslims respect and follow our holy book Quran! If we dont follow whats mentioned in it.. it makes our god unhappy, upset and angry
Hamada Wheed fuck ur book useless book
Hamada Wheed لو كنت قدامي فلقت راسك و طلعت مخك و زقيت عليه لانه useless
They actually gonna take that law down soon.
EgoGraalEra ughhhhh I hope soon man because honestly just looking how things works rn doesn’t tell anything good
I been driving since I was 16 years old. My parents encouraged me to get a part time job while I go to school. My parents encouraged me to travel. I still can’t understand that in 2019 man would not be happy for woman to help them out.... by driving,working etc.
Sad Jonesy Huh? My sisters are arab and they are allowed to drive at 18 they started practicing at 15-16...They travelled to more then 15 countries without a husband and have the freedom of choice of wearing anything they want some chose to wear hijab some didn’t it mostly depends on the parents
Besides the monarchy, the men don't have anything more than women. Their manhood is protected by the religion by suppressing the women
@@philosoftfurkitusjunkyard2462 your intolerance isn't needed in this wholesome thread
@@MS-qd1jj
My intolerance is beyond this thread
@@royalpillows7716 you're arab but not saudi right ? Saudi don't allow all that for women at all.
1:28 "Frankly it looks like a pretty ordinary evening at a kind of Western fun-fare''. Umm has she looked around herself? 100% of women wearing full burqas.
Minor nitpicky correction; those are niqabs, not burqas. Plus you could literally see some women wearing your average Muslim hijab. Moreover, the narrator was describing a scene not often found in Saudi Arabia. You usually don't find men, women, or children together gathering for an EDM concert or a circus performance (both of which are pretty Western in origin).
It’s their choice to wear it, I hate the niqab but if a woman wants to wear it she can
Yes its good for them only.. they are precious diamonds.. who protect themselves by wearing burqas and niqabs.. n they know very well about modesty! They might wear shorts infront of their husbands but in public they cover themselves nicely .. as its written in Quran to cover yourself from non mahrims .. for both men and women
M of bourbon its not about choice! Its a must to cover yourself when you go out.. coz its haram to reveal body shape,skin , hands and feets for a woman to show non mahrim! A woman can even stand naked infront of her husband since its not haram at all to do that infront of your husband...
M of bourbon in Quran its written that a woman can wear anything infront of their aunts,uncles and cousins.. but not infront of unknown males and who have sense about sex..go and read whats written in Quran about dressing code for man and woman.. and modest dressing is must for every muslim.. if we do not follow Quran and Islam.. it upsets and make anger Allah severely..by which Allah may even punish us severely
I think you’re setting yourself up for failure if the first movie you show in the cinema is The Emoji Movie
Ropsana Khanom thats not even true.. please get your facts together and stop spreading rumors
Sara X she’s not spreading rumours, it’s a joke xD
Ropsana Khanom hahahahahha
I haven't seen that movie. And who the Fuck goes to movies. Dur!!!
Saudi Arabia is improving and I don’t think a lot of people see that. Saudi Arabia is not horrible, every country has its problems, you can’t ignore that fact. Saudi Arabia is trying to work to fix those problems and remove it. Islam is not the problem, nor is anyone that isn’t Muslim. I wish we had freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia. The problem is westerns think Saudi Arabia is so terrible and we need help. Stop caring about us, people help the people living under communism in North Korea or China, they need it more than we do. Help others than need help, we have food to eat, air to breath, and shelter, we have jobs and incomes. Help other that worry about the next time they will eat.
They show woman “driving” BUT woman “who speak out” are arrested and imprisoned.
End GUARDIANS...that’s keeping woman FOREVER children...UNABLE to decide for themselves what they want to pursue.
@@patriciatinoco4229 it's gone i think
Of you want to westernize Saudi, than westernize it with the good elements of the west. Such as good education, technology, etc...
Not "only" the haram elements, such as nightclubs.
Not trying to be rude but...
Saudi Arabia is hell
إذا تم العقل نقص الكلام
@@merciful_leo what does that mean in English
@@imaanraza79 أنا لا أعرف الإنجليزية
@@imaanraza79 Saudi Arabia are bunch of dumbasses trying to make our religion look bad
Imaan Raza
You cant judge a country because you see only one video thats a top level of ignorance
So glad I am born in the UK 🇬🇧.
*Rule Britannia*
D'ya fancy a cuppa tea?
And I’m so glad you are not Saudi because is too high for you to reach the Saudi identity
@@narmeenulfdfd3993 that's why you speak and write in English and he doesn't need to know arabic.
Western culture is far superior than Wahabism. The Economist is part of our Western culture.
You must go now to your mosque, poor boy, brainwashed and ignorant.
Alfred The West is dying, we must save it be careful your white mentality is shining through and fucking westerners are the cause of 99% of the worlds problems
@erzan bad luck for you 😂😂i'm proud of being saudi and muslim😌
Such biased report, you can do better than this Economist.
Mohaamd_7 these interviews are strategically worded they don’t want to do better. They said Saudi implements an extreme interpretation of Islam in the very beginning and mbs is making a more moderate Islam! They don’t know what Islam is. So the ignorant can’t do better until they seek knowledge
It's not biased. Truth hurts, honey.💋
Probably 98% of these commenters have never been to Saudi so they’re just speaking out of their rear ends. But this is not a surprise they are calling for democracy in the kingdom and this change and that change و لن ترضى عنك اليهود و لا النصارى حتى تتبع ملتهم
they're spitting facts
It’s literally a Rothschild-owned media company. What do you expect? They want to promote decadence and immorality under the guise of non-sense like „women’s rights“ and „equality“.
Saudi seems like internet explorer of women /human rights in general....
Yeah
Its a blight on the planet that’s been able to continue as far as it shamefully has all thanks to underground dinosaur juice.
Always find it extremely simplifying when youth is almost automatically associated with liberalism. Modernism sure, but only in the sense of its close semantic relation to the word "new". Youth is not liberal, youth is easily seduced by the new trends, youth is seduced by the change - this is what history teaches us. And as fast as Arab spring turned into Arab autumn, and as much as the youth in the western societies is becoming more conservative and religious (USA, UK, France, Poland, Hungary) happily voting for right-wing parties - representing the change (just not the one liberal-minded people would want) - the same most probably will happened after short liberal revitalisation of Saudi. Without deep social change and with such a strong presence of radical interpretation of Islam in the society, liberalization is unsustainable, the more liberl Saudi will be just a short-lived, celebrated by the West oddity that will soon go back to conservative values... As long as religion and law are one, I'm keeping my fingers crossed but do not belive in the long-lived change.
WhatKamilReads I also believe that even if MBS is successfully, it will be followed a huge back lash by the conservative backbone of Saudi Arabia. One that is so great it may spell the end for the Al saud dynasty.
This is the most intelligent comment ever!!
Excellent post and I completely agree. Coming to you from Saudi Arabia.
Kamil, you have missed a key sign-post : NEOM.
The $500billion city will have Western laws and miserable Fakirs
will not be allowed in.
Leftists in Saudi Arabia are a minority. They all belong to foreign families or weak bloodline. Saudi Arabia and nearby countries share the same bloodlines of families as big as the Royal family, from before the country exists, They still exist and they share a great sense of belonging to each other. Of course, they are strict with their traditions. even women. And Families refuse to marry from any bloodline outside of the big families.
In these videos Liberals always interview the minority because they share the same interests.
A more 'moderate form of Islam' just to please western societies is not how islam was first implemented. Verily Islam was strange at first and will return to be strange.
Not true, read up on the golden age of Islam.
A moderate form of Islam not for pleasing anyone but to make your own lives more mordern , developed and better
Bazel Merchad Why add from a saudi? lmao fuck outta here.
+water tastes so good well that's just rude -.- Its annoying when people point out the whole population of a country and label them as "dumb" or something. A lot of Saudi's are smart and have high intentions. Me personally. I love to study and love to learn and reading your comment is just offending.
Bazel Merchad no one cares, take your preaching elsewhere and guess what, I’m a proud Muslim so...
So KSA is allowing women to drive while keeping activists, who fought for the same in jail? Irony
I don't care if we meet "western standards". All I care about is having a fair freedom, enjoying myself, and being well educated. Though what I really want and mostly worried about is us losing all of our culture and religion in order to satisfy westerners. I hope that we can balance everything and not get too carried away. Not gonna say all of my opinions cus I know many of them might spark arguments. Love some of these changes though it is a little scary with all these sudden changes coming so quickly. Though I do have hope.
It will be definitely be maintained if it's forced on people and mandated
As a non muslim, who was raised in a an Islamic country and and a native speaker of Arabic. I don't need anyone to tell me what Islam is. I know Islam very well and understand the Islamic mentality that hates the non muslims and suppress women. My people suffered from racism, violence, and even killing. Churches were attacked and burned. Thank God I have immigrated to Western country, I see muslims here enjoy freedom of religion and worship. What people don't understand that they're multiplying like rabbots, and aim one day to rule the Western countries. I wish my kids won't see what we saw in the future, this is my nightmare
ربنا يرحمنا ويرحمكم
living in America I know how roman catholic think ???that is so stupid??
You are true and informed. Islam would conquer the world and turn it into a concentration camp if humanity does not wake up from the DECADENT slumber. Thank you for speaking TRUTH.
No one is giving credit to those women who were put in jail for protesting against ban on women driving they are the actual cause for ban removal...
Saudi Arabia is most mysterious country in the world i lived there 3 years but descrimination are too much,and no value of human being there expect saudi. totally hell country.
Every ppl do not necessarly equal bro. I lived in ksa for 14 yrs. I had met lots of good ppl......
Still way to slow. Revolution not evolution is needed. Religion limits human potential. If not always, it always has the potential to.
i agree
Your usage of the word to is incorrect. It should read too.
I really agree with however in a lot of cases religion can be the ultimate motivation but sadly it isn’t see That way
But the problem isn't religion here.Look at nk.
lol... but your device is derived from theories and discoveries made by men who were motivated by religion .. specifically islam ..
Saudi Arabia has no connection to ISIS or other terrorist groups. We need a different way of viewing things. Not the average stereotype of Saudi Arabia.
that remains to be seen...
wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE131801_a.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_of_Saudi_Arabia_to_ISIL#Allegations_of_Sponsorship
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The wikileaks link is of allegations
The wikipedia link is also of allegations, and is also easily editable.
wikileaks doesn't leak 'allegations' - they leak proof/evidence
@@lucrativelyrics8131 mate, i read the entire thing.
Theres allegations of it, the specific thing it mentions is that money sent towards syrian rebels was taken by isis in the link.
You are fucking dumbass
"In a country where 70% are under 30" .. What??
Beheadings?
Saudi Arabi,s culture is mainly driven from the religion. Therefore it's absolutely impossible to separate from each other
Not really.. Islam never said women couldn’t ride camels. Some of what they do has nothing to do with Islam.
Wow there are cars when Islam formed
@@aisatougassama4893 exactly. Its more to culture compared to religion.
@@aisatougassama4893 Agreed
Saudi Arabia should give rights and freedoms to women.
Can you imagine how the pioneers could have opened up the frontier in the United States if women had been held in bondage? Women were needed to handle tough jobs as a partner. Keeping women in bondage means using half your brain power. Glad my wife is smart and independent.
👏🏻👏🏻 strong men want an equal loving partnership with their wife. Weak men feel they are inadequate and are threatened and need to keep women under their control
@@iziz5691 yes!
How come the westerners consider that anything that’s against the western norm is abnormal. Somehow westerners want to preach to us that they respect other people’s cultural and yet criticize it. I’m not referring to women not being able to drive as a culture but the mingling of men and women is something that Islam strongly condemns and yet western journalists keep on bashing Islamic country for practicing their religion.
You aren't being bashed for keeping men and women separate. It's the extreme inequity between men and women that is so gross to us.
+Adan Ahmed.....It's YOUR islamic culture that has brought so much hatred since 9/11 when the NYC towers were taken down by islamic idiots, killing 3,000 innocent people, all in the name of your so called god allah. How stupid was that. It's no wonder the world hates islam and your god allah. Your culture produces VIOLENCE in the world. Your so called false religion needs to be destroyed once and for all. Your religion hates everyone who is not a muslim. You know that, I know that. We do respect other people's culture, but we don't want VIOLENCE and DEATH !
Your so called prophet allah, was a phedophile and child molester. I'm sure you know that, but your culture is trying so hard to keep that quiet.
Your prophet allah was an older man in his 60's, when he married young girls as young as age 8 or 9 yrs. of age. He used them for his sexual pleasure. He abused these little girls and he was the worst kind of pedophile on this earth. How disgusting he was, your prophet allah. What do you think about that you ugly creep?!
Adan Ahmed....What is wrong with men & women 'mingling' in social circumstances considered wrong and condemned by Islam religion ???
It's no wonder, all your marriages are arranged by your family. There's no such thing as two people finding each other, and falling in love. You religion forces marriage on two innocent people, WHO most likely would never marry each other if they had their own choice. That is brutal, controlling and a crime. Your religion is of HATE.
@@thebigappleny321 if muslims were as you described them youd be dead by the time of the ummayadd caliphate
@@ryanw3874 yet you pay women less tha men for working the same job, your rape rights are as high as the sky, while our rape rated are neglegable, yeah, sure.
No man or woman on earth should beat another living soul period. That includes animals for heaven sake. The idea that men are superior is preposterous.
Driving changes are not ideal but it's progress. all the other "reforms" are cosmetic. Things are still *very* shitty here for women.
like?
women also to be blamed
this reform is also cosmetic. are you kidding me.
why wouldn't they let women drive ?! this is stupid, I'm muslim too, from Algeria, I mean, women at the time of the prophet used to ride on camels, horses, they even used to go on war, the first wife of prophet Muhammed peace be upon him used to be the most powerful and most rich woman in Mecca, and he used to work as a merchant for her, what they're doing has nothing to do with islam whatsoever, there's nothing in our religion that opprosses women, in fact, islam tells us to respect them and love them and be equal, there's a whole chapter in the Quran dedicated to them, called "Women" (Surat al nissa), if women weren't important in Islam why would God make a surah for them and not for men ?, and the saudi arabian men are hypocrites (not all of them offcourse, but the ones who have this type of mentality) they want to force their women on hijab, and stay at home and command them, but they'll be partying in nightclubs with naked oriental dancers
i am guessing th emonrach want control
I live in Saudi and I'm from Scotland. I've been shouted at for accidentally going into the male part at Starbucks and screamed at like properly screamed at for not wearing an aubia and just remember I'm a teen.
That's disgusting and backward.
No one should’ve shouted but you should’ve been aware of the culture in Saudi Arabia too.
i am Saudi and once I was walking in Austria with my family and a man in a car give me and my family the finger, and also was a high schooler at the time.
it was my first time getting exposed to this situation.
"harsh punishments"
like chemical and nuclear weapons invented and used exclusively by the "extreme interpretation" of "cute white people"
Economist reporting about saudi arabia is literally the roths child families opinion on saudi arabia
Some people regard Islam, Saudi Gov, Wahabism as the same one. As far as I know they are not. Arabian culture is changing lot, and Saudi gov tries to change and be innovative. I would say in 5years Saudi will have a quite different culture view from now on with the young leader..
God bless Saudi
Milan you need a good psychiatrist.
I think there are some parties (the ex-pats, the SA rich and US) who like this and go along with it because they will benefit from it but most people won't. Letting women drive is a stab in the heart to the less-well-off. It's a show of opening up that just allows for "The Housewives of Mecca" to
have more thrills at the expense of thier maids.
Another sham.
WOOT?! THEY HAVE NINJAS!!!!!
Wow you have sex Roberts in country
ninjas? no..
Hmm they called "moderate islam" and show us the group of people holding on a gun, just like.. Wth, I mean it's discriminate the image of the real islam
"many think it's fed extremist ideology" no we *know* it has considering Wahhabism literally emerged from Saudi Arabia
I am not from Saudi Arabia but I live in Saudi Arabia and I respect it more than my life
These really are the end times
Salah Usufi which part women rights or oppression of women
Arcadian she means people fornicating in the streets
Stop Telling Saudi Create Terrorist ,Terrorist don't Have any religion!!! 😡😡😡
*This is all for show women in Saudi still under male guardian*
I can't afford a car and have to take public transit to work, and my employer doesn't want me to remained by him due to Covid-19. SMH!
Imam Muslim (r) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (RA) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen…” one of whom was, “women who are clothed yet naked…” According to Imam Ahmad (r) he said: “Curse them, for they are cursed.”
I AM SO PROUD TO BE SAUDI, FINALLY SAUDI IS FLOURISHING!. WE BELIVE AND SUPPORT OUR KING AND CROWN PRINCE REGARDLESS OF ANYONES OPINIONS. LONG LIVE SAUDI AND GOD BLESS KING SALAMAN AND MBS
I love how people love to lie to paint Saudi Arabia in a bad picture
madmatt786 exactly western is the same people that lie about Iraq after 10!years we all realize they are not trustworthy...... all I will for who ever isn’t living in western countries don’t believe what ever you see on the TV about western countries it’s all propaganda
But all this about Saudi, is it true ??
6:58 So is this more of an opinion piece than an actual report? "Democratic reforms could help. They could allow the prince to use his new popularity with the young and women to create a new support base.'' On what basis is she making this claim? Are there any examples of this succeeding before in the Middle East?
I love how this country is changing ways for women because is a new time in life for women.
The Prince is good for being open minded about womem rights .
Can you imagine the tourism if Saudi Arabia modernized even more?
Music festival, women drivers, ...how is this progress for women? Where are women going to drive to? Women still need a man in the family to accompany them. Music is simply NOT ALLOWED in Islam. How is this revolution?
I am Saudi women I am proud of being Saudi
@Troy Edward Lol less than 4% of US married couples are virgins. Not really generalizing. It's hard to measure thottiness, but its clear from the marriage and birth rates... Comparing that to Muslims brought up as terrorists LOL
@Troy Edward *_There are no Muslim countries_* more or less, that ended after WWI when the Ottoman Empire was broken up. You're right lol, they aren't doing anything right because they aren't following Islam, only small insignificant fragments of it.
Secondly, the success of nations means almost nothing when it comes to religion. Islam itself predicted things would turn out this way(Muslims not having power in the end). In fact it only adds faith if anything
@Troy Edward America is not just a superpower, it is the superpower of the world and every nation's people have gravitated to its hedonistic culture; we are starting to see the consequences play out. America is almost done playing its role. Give it 10-15 years. It's not a matter of opinion if it literally says things black and white. The only "matter of opinion" about it is whether it is individually important to you.
1:23 bro he can't hear you. He got air pods in.
Part of their revolution should be better treatment of their domestic workers
Congratulations Ladies!🤗💖🙏
I think it’s quite good to wear burqa, you don’t need to be much worried about what to wear and can easily grab a burqa before getting out. It’s saves so much time!!
ahh the benevolent dictator
Power to the Women of Saudi Arabia and Iran.Change is coming.
SOCIAL REVOLUTION
PLEEEEASE, you have really really really no shame.
Thanks God i live in India when i see all these restrictions.....
Really??!!!! MBS PROGRESSIVE ?!!!! REALLYYY???!!!!!
Woman can be great impact for social economi Saudi
What’s the big deal about driving?
It’s better to have a chauffeur driver 😃😎
No. Having to wait for your driver to get to your location is so annoying. Not having privacy and he will report back to your husband or whoever every move u make. Not having the freedom to play your own music loud and usually they are Indian and make the whole care stink of B.O. no offense but that’s the truth in these hot countries. U are like a child in the backseat
Not that good when you want to change your plan for those women
Awaken The Greatness Within many women can't afford the chauffeur only the rich can do
Is it me or does it seem like the woman engineer made a deliberate decision not to use the word "independent" in her description of the impact of the ability to drive on women?
I sincerely hope that Bin Slaman's reforms are appreciated by Saudis - He IS a nice person. Post from Canada.
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Anyone ever traveled in Saudi airline? The entertainment content available in their international flights is heavily edited. Just imagine what level of control is exercised upon the information inside the country. On the airport, women can’t go through the same metal detectors as men. They need to go through a separate room with a lady security in.
They open their country and I hope they'll be open minded too....
Male Guardianship is QUITE common in many Muslim countries ,Saudi just sets the pace...
Its totally destruction...
May allah bless all the muslims
Hahahaha Seriously ?
Mark my words, soon Saudi women will help make up the statistics of the #me too movement. Then they will realize how much safer they were. All the best, sisters.
😐 yes inshallah they will have the freedom and confidence go speak out if anything bad happens against them! Or u are suggesting they just stay home so that they don’t get harassed????? Live a life in a box
@@iziz5691 Women can be like a queen in their homes . I don't know why they want to harass themselves .
I can understand if their husbands, for whatever reason, cannot earn. As long as the work environment is conducive to their
Islam. Allah knows what is best for us. I Hope the Saudi government has women 's interest at heart. If they truly care for their women folks, they must think twice before making crucial decisions.
@@iziz5691 Always remember. Prevention is better than cure.
ماقول غير الله يصلح الحال، كل شوي مقطع اجنبي عن السعوديه وبناتها والله ان ي متقطع ومغبون ماقول غير حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل وش يبون في بلدنا وبناتها الله يحميكم من كل شر يابنات البلد
@@thinfeelings إذا تم العقل نقص الكلام
@@merciful_leo إيش المقصد من كلامك؟
ايه والله حتى احنا مو عاجبنا هذا الشيء كنا نتمنى الهيئه ترجع لكن للأسف كل شيء من سيء ل اسوء .
@@merciful_leo انت خلك فالهند مالك شغل فبلدنا
How about the women who he throw in jail? The women who fought for the right to drive are being tortured right now...
Why outsider always atttacks ...because they want destroy the image...one by one
Kamil Aliya yeah destroy the new Islam, it should of been and stayed the old ways back before the 1979 revolution.
Why westerners atheists try to impose their culture and traditions to Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 who are practising their culture in their ways!
Exactly, completely agree with you !
(*oppression is not a "culture")..for same reasons misogynist men from patriarchal societies (i.e. KSA) try to impose freedom limits on members of the opposite sex (& get away with it) - when all humans deserve equal rights (man or woman)
Your culture is oppressive and abusive. Not that ours is perfect, but not all cultures are created equal.
Human rights are universal, and everyone should be able to have them. Do you not think we all have inherent worth and dignity?
Even aside from human rights, Saudi is crippling itself, its economy, and its future by excluding half the population from full participation in the economy. It's no accident that much of East Asia, Europe, and North America have the largest economies - more of their people are able to participate and grow it. Equality is in the interest of everyone in Saudi, but sadly some men's egos are too fragile for this reality...
@@ryanw3874 your culture give rise to colonialism, Atlantic slave trade ethnic genoiced of North and south America and Australian continent, Eugenetics, Fascism, Comunism, captalism, global climate pollution Hedonism and all
The sexual depravation in the World, yeah, a truly a Great culture .
There is no moderate form of Islam! Those who don't follow the rule of Islam He is not Muslim. Don't Talk like a fool!
Come on! They have the best economy incomes for women and they can buy whatever they wanna buy then why should they work🤣🤣🤣 A heaven for women shopping, their luxury life 😂😂
Women in Saudi Arabia aren’t forced to cover their bodies with abaya anymore (clothing just has to be appropriate)
Except at the beach swimwear doesn't have to be appropriate nor does it have to be inappropriate
0:55 Hmmmmmm! 🤔
FREE SAUDI WOMEN.
What's happening in Saudi is revolutionary......hats off Crown Prince Mohamed Bin Salman❤
Just 5% of the country’s income comes from oil
I don't see their faces under the burka! 👎
Dan Klim You don't have to :) 👎🏼
That's the point of niqab, to cover their faces from men who are not related to them like their fathers, brothers, grandfathers, uncles and husbands
You will never see it even in your imagination never
Saudí is not the extream version of Islam.
It is The version how Islam was from the beginning.
Really ? Its extreme tho
The Economist is oversimplifying the ban on driving. Saudi women in rural areas where there aren't taxis have been allowed to drive for years so that they could get their kids to schools in other communities, get groceries, etc. while their husbands were at work. Saudi women in urban areas had to use taxis, Uber, etc.
A revolution has begun, amen! We finally surpassed the "it could be worse so get over it" scheme to completely ostracize the opportunity or ability to modify inequality for a better future. Go Saudi women, I stand fully beside you (even if its behind a window, still) ;)
I don't care what you are saying, I want to go there, studying my religion. It's not about WORKING,,, MONEY,,, you know what I mean.
Human spirit men or women always have chaffed at being held back or controlled which makes no sense, nature has given equal intelligence to both genders,evenly divided qualities, if women bear children, without sperms it cannot be done, if only male population of world understand this simple basic truth, it is not of weaker stronger but equality with given appropriate capabilities.
Letting women drive is not a good idea .
So we should make them fly
I love & Support KSA.... Better than rest of the World
You are a nut case !
Wow, another "Islam is good" propaganda piece
Leave Saudi affairs to the Saudis, stop blackmailing
You aim for this dunya that will be the reward..
how about saying the reason behind the executions?
they were murderers, terrorists and drug smugglers .. they got what they deserved ...
were they givena trial??
@@mahjabeenmalik5306
Yes
we don't have moderate islam we have islam which is suitable for all places and all times.We don't need to reform islam its complet.
Months after this report, women were granted the freedom to issue a passport and travel anywhere in the world without having to worry about a male guardian! The change in Saudi is happening quickly
No it was only in 2015 when women got the right to vote and 2018 when they got the right to drive and 2019 when the gender segregation laws started to loosen up
They use a lot of perfume and makeup too but one thing is confusing, doesn’t makeup defeat the very purpose of wearing a burqa or hijab !
Exactly.
But ppl of Saudi Arabia are very good. They don't put so much of restrictions on girls.
they shouldnt push any
Skimming through the comments makes is to remember that west is less ready to accept the other as it may claim. Evaluating the civilization and evolution by how the other is close to the self, but not to theoretical concepts that determine how advancement occur ,plus, Noting neither wearing burgaa or not, and criticizing any indicator of being 'outsider' represent the conflict between what is said, and what is practiced.