Can we talk about the motion graphics? That's a lot of effort, work and class put into this video. Whoever was tasked to work on the graphics for the "Pretty Deece" series; really awesome work!
@Dalton Wakeup As a motion designer, I'd absolutely love to see you make this in power point at the same level of quality. You must be ignorant to how much effort goes into something like this as you can just press a button and have a shitty star-wipe come across the screen. Try making something in After Effects for yourself before trying to invalidate the work that people put into things like this.
Re: Criticism of Ironclaw Orcs. Yes, the card is not good. Paul Sligh, who built that deck, knew it wasn't good. But its inclusion was an incredibly revolutionary moment in Magic, one that defines the lynchpin of aggressive deckbuilding today. It was the first time anyone had truly considered mana curve and fundamentally built a deck around it. Ironclaw Orcs is not in the deck because it's a cheap creature; it's in there specifically because it costs 2 and has 2 power, something no other creature in the format was. Sligh recognized the immense value of curving out--obvious to us now but a real breakthrough then--and needed something to fill the 2-drop slot and Orcs was it. Now we're blessed with actual good cards to put in those slots, most of the time, but the recognition that playing on curve is so powerful that even playing very mediocre cards that are sometimes-includes in draft was a moment of genius that cannot be understated.
The format at the time required you had at least 2 cards from each of those sets, this accounts for many of the less than optimal card choices. Also it's a common misconception that Paul Sligh built the deck, he actually just played it well. Jay Schneider is the builder of the deck.
@@LeCharles07 keep in mind back then design space was limited to the set they came from and to be symbolic of what the set represents. Having kept that in mind a 2 mana 2/2:even without haste is not bad a current metric to that by today's standards is gurmag angler yes it can be a 1 mana 5/5 but most times you play it much later in the game simply cause it's a roadblock for alot of smaller creatures and it just wants to swing in and eat chump blockers yes it can get patched or bolted after blockers but it's still a roadblock your opponent has to answer
Thank you so much for this. The Magic community needs more videos on Magic's history, especially old formats. I still believe, for what it's worth, M10/Lorwyn/Alara Standard is the best, but man were the decks sweet in 1998. I didn't start playing until 2001/2. so I didn't get to explore that format, except Draw/Go, which I had the Pro Tour deck of when I was young. Even built one of my first competitive decks in Mirrodin around it with countermagic, Vadalken Shackles, and Stalking Stones.
@@blindey Best way to learn about it right now is to go way back and read articles from 1998 to 2005 on Star City Games and Daily MTG. They're hard to find, but they're there.
Lorywn-Alara standard was pretty awesome! Plus wotc would actually mail in textless cards to you was the kicker that kept me playing until they discontinued the rewards program.
That's fair. But I think the best way, outside being there is seeing video and discussing it. I've read some articles, but I far more liked this video and videos of the actual tournaments and such more.
Lorwyn/Alara standard was insanity (both the good and the bad kind). It still blows my mind that a deck like 5CC existed. Being able to consistently play cryptic command, cruel ultimatum, cloudthresher, broodmate dragon, wrath of god turn after turn shouldn't happen.
As someone that actually played back then with some of these decks, I can vouch for the accuracy of this video. Recurring Survival was my deck of choice, though I ran prosperous bloom occasionally. Ridiculously great times.
Ben Green definitely agree with you. I think that was the best standard format imo, but I’m definitely being bias, that’s when I first got into magic hehe.
Ben Green I hated that format solely because I literally couldn’t afford a reasonably competitive deck due to fetch lands. All the decks looked so cool and fun, but they all were as expensive as building a modern deck.
@@aleczitzelberger8123 Yeah, and Abzan was especially expensive. I chose to build Sidisi Whip instead for budgetary reasons, and I'm REALLY glad I did 'cause that deck was a joy to pilot.
These are my favourite types of videos on this channel. I love making old decks that only use cards from a specific block and these videos give me so many ideas, hahah.
I think there was no FNM during that time. Because back then, a lot of us here in our country a lot of players meet every saturdays and sunday for the BlockConstructed, Standard (that we call Type 2) and Type1(which is like a close equivalent of modern format now) events. It was a lot healthy during those days because of mtg was under an experimentation. And a lot of archtypes were to be established in those expansions. One particular deck that was not mentioned here was the BioLightning deck that Inquest (the old magazine where we old-timers get updates and previews) created w/c is a cross between a mod-range jund and a junk deck that uses ernham djin as a finisher. Try checking on that deck. I highly recommend it. You wont be dissappointed if its preference you need.
thanks for the trip down memory lane. This was also the time ESPN2 started to show Magic Tournament. so fun. I ran Forbidian and it was so fun... also right around there was the awesome Urza's Saga precon deck that was w/b with Pestilence in it, one of the best pre-cons IMHO so damn fun. I would love to see a video on the best Pre-Con decks, i've read all the articles but its better to show the cards in the video.
Thanks for another great video!!! I love the manga “Destroy all humanity. They can’t be regenerated” and the story literally starts during this period of magic. Highly recommended for a nostalgic look at the 90s.
100% agree! I loved this time. Cursed Scroll was a great 'fair' card that I wish they would pull back in. Tradewind rider was a beast, whoever got theirs down first probably won. Opponent was playing mountains and your at 10 life thinking your fine? hahah, Shock, fireblast, fireblast, your dead... And spikes! loved those guys. Spike Weaver was really an all star as well.
I remembered that Cursed scroll was listed as one of the crappiest card during that time. Not until Schneider and the other red players played the card. And it was horrible in their opponents side. Imagine a powerful way for Red decks to deal with problem creatures with protection. And can chip yr opponent's life with 1 card in hand. So busted.
"Sac 2 mountains fireblast you. sac 2 mountains fireblast you." will forever be my favorite combination of words in magic. Just wipe the smirk right off of that control deck player's face after they throw a few consecutive counters.
Man, I don't know what it is about this specific Pretty Deece episode, but I keep coming back. I could listen to Jon talk about past standards for hours. It's just soothing.
Up to this day, the Recurring Nightmare Deck is my absolute favourite! I loved the elegance and clever deck design which is truely unmatched! You are right! Each play was a puzzle!
I also loved Khan's, I used to consistently 4-0 or 3-1 at FNM with a $15 mono red heroic deck. Siege Rhino sucked but it didn't survive a roast. Literally.
Those were the best magic days. I could remember some other archtypes great during this block. Like hyper aggressive decks, e.g. mono black hatred deck. Basically you could play a lot of decks that could beat other decks.
I really loved this video. I got into Magic reading this manga called "destroy all of humanity, it can't be regenerated" and it featured the survival of the fittest/recurring nightmare deck that got me so interested in Magic in the first place. Although i didn't really understand it then, abusing combos really looked fun to me.
Madness, UG threshold, Psychotog, Mirari's Wake, UWR with Goblin trenches and lightning angel, Mono-Black control, UG Opposition, solitary confinement, balancing tings. Format was insane with how many strategies you could use.
@@lain2k3 That sounds awesome! Hopefully we see that soon. I do think 98 gets a leg up (based on the criteria stated in the video) for having the first true combo deck though
@@Dracobyte Among the 6th edition rule changes: No more interrupts, a card type gone. Regeneration shields were defined and the "damage prevention" step was removed. Triggered Ability was defined as a keyword. You got a pre AND post combat main phase. Tapped blockers now deal damage (this was a change I was unaware of and lost me a round that would have top 8'd me at a big pre-release). You lose instantly at 0 as a state based effect, rather than at the end of a phase. Artifacts don't 'turn off' when tapped anymore. Most importantly - THE STACK. Before 6th, FILO batches were used with very strange and unintuitive rules. 6th changed a LOT and gave us largely the ruleset we know today.
Oh the memories.. pros bloom was the first real deck I ever built when I was 13 with help from a friend, how I miss that era of gaming.. once most of that rotated out it was all about scroll you for 2 every turn in green stompy until I win.
I started playing Magic at that time. Played the awesome lategame capable red burn deck as well as my all time favorite: Stupid Green with Spike Weavers, Feeders and Wildebeests. Good times. Playing against the other mentioned decks was a nightmare, literally so against Recurring Nightmare.
I really loved Scars/innistrad standard. Coming off the oppressive dominance of cawblade in standard there seemed to be a lot of diversity early in the format. Many early decks hinged off powerful interactions from scars block. Enginges like pod, tempered steel and infect came up against powerful cards from m12 like the titans and mana leak. Other decks combined the most powerful cards from the innistrad like snapcaster mage, geist of st traft and invisable stalker in the to be delver deck. The second set in the innistrad block is when breakout decks emerged (possibly since it was the standard protour and that's when the best minds in magic were fully devoted to standard development.). I vividly remember the pro tour where kibler's wolfrun ramp narrowly overcame the returning finkel's spirits list with a miracle triple galvanic blast. It was early on that I remember fighting against most of U/B or esper control looks with drownyard in full effect. The "too powerful for block" lingering souls found a home in many decks notably the esper reanimator style control deck solar flare packing a very punishing combo of sun titan and phantasmal image.The undying mechanic found it's way into many decks via strangle root geist which fit right into slot with the R/G aggro lists as well as adding a lot of value to the pod lists. Geralf's messenger, another undying creature, promoted various zombie decks into contention and finally utilized cards like Olivia volderan which had previously lacked the compatriots necessary to roundout the baseblack creature decks. With the introduction of the third set, avacyn restored the diversity was diminished by the ultimate form of the omnipresent Delver deck and it's new inclusion restoration angel. Resto wasn't the only card to get attention from AVR cards like cavern of souls and the absurdly powerful miracle cards bonfire of the damned, entreat and terminus all meaningful impact in standard. Finally while M13 felt like a serious downgrade from M12 it's inclusion in the "fat" standard brought some of the diversity back to standard. Some very powerful cards like rancor successfully revived the infect strategy. I'm sure i missed out on many integral powerful decks in the format but in my experience these were some of the most powerful decks in standard that had direct history of competing in and forming the metagame of scars/innistrad standard.
Man, I played the Survival of the fittest + Recuring nightmare deck some years ago. A friend of mine just brought the champions deck. It was SO much fun
my father described the oath deck to me with a mix of nostalgia and horror. he described it as "Put oath of druids in your deck, followed by all of the fucked up shit you could imagine"
Innistrad, but pre-Dark Ascension. There were so many things you could do, it was a great time. Having Incinerate, Mana Leak, and Midnight Haunting in the same format was a wonder, would 100% return. Also, the sheer amount of people who would flash in a snapcaster mage, declare their spell target, I'd give them the go-ahead, and then they'd try to block a Stromkirk Noble with it, only to learn that "he cannot be blocked by humans" XD It's actually amazing how often people assume they know what a card does in competitive events
Nightmare Survival was such great fun to play. I managed to beat it once with a homebrew deck that had Lobotomy but otherwise it was impossible to beat.
Played a lot of MTG back in 98. This was a pretty awesome standard format. I loved Gemstone mine in my 5 color white. Got me to the city championship with Empyrial Armor and Shadow creatures.
Mike Long was gas, he is basically the Ric Flair of MTG, the dirtiest player in the game, i don't think we should honor bad guys, but IMO he should be recognized somewhere for his contribution to the game.
Maro has stated in his podcast that he feels guilty about turning Mike into the player he became. They really tried to play him up as the bad guy of magic.
Those were the glory days of Magic that I remember so fondly. And there so many more killer decks from that time period- Pandenought, Hatred, which were also early combo decks, 5CG, Senor Stompy, Stupid Green, Big Blue, 5C Black, Living Death, Humility Prayer, Grindstone. . . .on and on. Sligh eventually pulled ahead as the favored deck once its decklist got refined with better cards, but before then, Mirage/ Tempest Standard was the most open and diverse metagame ever.
I first started playing standard around scars of mirrodin to innistrad. I was piloting a mono-black infect deck and 3-0 many fnms. Then can innistrad and rtr standard. I too love playing restoration angel, targeting thragtusk 👌👌
I come back to this video just to relish the old days... funny enough though, these old days were a few months before I started playing. I got into the game during the later part of the year, apparently dubbed Combo Winter or How Wizards stopped caring and learned to love the Ban(list). I wouldn't actually play competitively until Onslaught block but I do remember a lot of people talking about banned cards. I went looking into the deck lists from that era and unfortunately can only find names, no list for some. Particularly, Counter Sliver/Lennon Sliver. I found the names but so far in a cursory search haven't found the lists. I don't suppose you can cover this abysmal standard era in a future video? While many have talked about it, I know an in depth look at the Urza's standard would be entertaining, as well as educational if the deck lists are covered.
In Pokemon we have this guy called Michael Long. He fits the description you gave perfectly. He also just got banned for cheating and from what i heard he was also really nice
I really do hope they print more jank effects that happen to work well with each other. Brewing up a randomly good deck always feels satisfying. Today it all seems to really "click" right away.
I played then. It was awesome. I played more after Mirage block rotated and Urza's block was legal. Outside of all the Academy and Memory Jar shenanigans that was also a great standard.
Ravnica-Time Spiral standard (2006-2007) was the best standard. Every deck archetype was viable, from Izzetron, Solar Flare, to Gruul beatdown, Boros Aggro to Dragonstorm, to even jank that shouldn't even work like Mono Black discard ft The Rack and Minslicer. It was the first standard format that saw the debut of Dredge as a degenerate mechanic via Magus of the Bazaar as well. It was a format where you can play all sorts of decks and still end up on top.
I think D.Storm already ran Gigadrowse in its initial build since it was a RAV card to begin with. It was kept at bay by fast aggro decks like Boros Deck Wins and Gruul Beatdown, made possible by Char. Izzetron also did a pretty good job of screwing it over by Remanding the incoming suspended Lotus Bloom as well.
When busted cards are many instead of few, Magic is good. Alpha 40 is the best. It has the most Ironclaw Orcs but it still has 4× Demonic Tutor Channel and Sol Ring at UNCOMMON. YOU GET A COMBO YOU GET A COMBO EVERYONE GETS TO COMBO OFF. you never get around to worrying about Ironclaw Orcs there's Balance the P9 Bolt Wheel Regrowth Dark Ritual Armageddon Sinkhole Birds of Paradise SO YOU WANT TO BE A WIZARD? Swords to Plowshares Serra Angel Shivan Dragon every two color deck and most three color decks worked Nevinyrral's Disk Fork Vesuvan Doppleganger Copy Artifact I think Wrath of God might have been the worst thing that still made the cut that's how glorious it was. Price in 1993: maybe $150 to have a deck with Black Lotus.
honestly, I think that the current ravnica is a really great standard thematically. The guilds just have so much personality and then you read the dnd supplement that was put out. This is the best supplement in a long anss time. I LOVE IT.
Can you go over my personal favorite Standard, Inndistrad/Return to Ravnica Standard? Sweet decks early on like RDW and Naya Humans were super good, but other decks like the Aristocrats Acts I-III, Junk Reanimator, Bant/4C flash, UWx control decks, Bant Auras, and of course, Jund were also so good too.
Corpora has already noted that he thinks that format was massively overrated in the Kamigawa video. Which, I tend to agree with. Sure, decks took turns being good, but the end days of that format were not nearly as diverse as people like to think, and the games weren't as fun for some folks. I like it more than Corpora seems to, and I think it was just good.
For anyone who was looking for the Mike Long vs. Matt Lindy video referenced at 3:54, I was able to find it here: ua-cam.com/video/i8bl8eIlB24/v-deo.html Fun fact, in the Long vs. Lindy video above, they even joke about Long being a cheater at 41:39
I played Pros-Bloom endlessly. It wasn't the best combo I ever played but it was super fun. Games 2 and 3 were the tricky part. Everyone hated losing to it. You basically needed to have an anti-sideboad.
did you ever say the name of who won worlds with that recsur deck, or did i miss brian seldon? that deck is such a fantastic build, so many tools to respond to many different situations. led to my favorite card of all time being recurring nightmare
I don't think I could enjoy a standard environment more than the SOM-AVR/M13 environment. So much was around and playable, I don't even care that Delver acted like a Boogeyman of that format, hell, that may even make it better. Delver, Wolfrun Ramp, Solar Flare/Esper Control, Pod, Mono Black Infect, Frites, Mono Red, UG Infect, BR Zombies/Vampies aggro, even Tempered Steel and Grand Architect were available then. Probably even some decks I am forgetting. I would do a throwback standard of that environment in an instant if given the option.
Standard around Innistrad was the best for me personally , Human Reanimator burn with Vexing Devil I was playing Bant Hexproof with Geist of Saint Thraft. Standard was explosive fun creative plus it's the best and most flavorful set.
Can we talk about the motion graphics? That's a lot of effort, work and class put into this video. Whoever was tasked to work on the graphics for the "Pretty Deece" series; really awesome work!
Thanks!
You can literally do all of this on PowerPoint lmao
Dalton Wakeup If you're serious, please recreate this video in powerpoint and post it - you won't, because it isn't possible.
@@atomsk1972 i already have big guy
@Dalton Wakeup
As a motion designer, I'd absolutely love to see you make this in power point at the same level of quality. You must be ignorant to how much effort goes into something like this as you can just press a button and have a shitty star-wipe come across the screen. Try making something in After Effects for yourself before trying to invalidate the work that people put into things like this.
Re: Criticism of Ironclaw Orcs.
Yes, the card is not good. Paul Sligh, who built that deck, knew it wasn't good. But its inclusion was an incredibly revolutionary moment in Magic, one that defines the lynchpin of aggressive deckbuilding today. It was the first time anyone had truly considered mana curve and fundamentally built a deck around it. Ironclaw Orcs is not in the deck because it's a cheap creature; it's in there specifically because it costs 2 and has 2 power, something no other creature in the format was. Sligh recognized the immense value of curving out--obvious to us now but a real breakthrough then--and needed something to fill the 2-drop slot and Orcs was it.
Now we're blessed with actual good cards to put in those slots, most of the time, but the recognition that playing on curve is so powerful that even playing very mediocre cards that are sometimes-includes in draft was a moment of genius that cannot be understated.
The format at the time required you had at least 2 cards from each of those sets, this accounts for many of the less than optimal card choices. Also it's a common misconception that Paul Sligh built the deck, he actually just played it well. Jay Schneider is the builder of the deck.
A format with only one Grizzly Bear?!?! That is just... wrong.
@@LeCharles07 In red
@@LeCharles07 keep in mind back then design space was limited to the set they came from and to be symbolic of what the set represents. Having kept that in mind a 2 mana 2/2:even without haste is not bad a current metric to that by today's standards is gurmag angler yes it can be a 1 mana 5/5 but most times you play it much later in the game simply cause it's a roadblock for alot of smaller creatures and it just wants to swing in and eat chump blockers yes it can get patched or bolted after blockers but it's still a roadblock your opponent has to answer
Look, I'm just fascinated he didn't choose canyon wildcat, a 2/1 with mountainwalk. But maybe that extra point of thoughness matters?
Thank you so much for this. The Magic community needs more videos on Magic's history, especially old formats. I still believe, for what it's worth, M10/Lorwyn/Alara Standard is the best, but man were the decks sweet in 1998. I didn't start playing until 2001/2. so I didn't get to explore that format, except Draw/Go, which I had the Pro Tour deck of when I was young. Even built one of my first competitive decks in Mirrodin around it with countermagic, Vadalken Shackles, and Stalking Stones.
I agree. I only started in RTR and am very curious about old magic. I wanna know about it all, even if I'm not like a pro player by any means.
@@blindey Best way to learn about it right now is to go way back and read articles from 1998 to 2005 on Star City Games and Daily MTG. They're hard to find, but they're there.
Lorywn-Alara standard was pretty awesome! Plus wotc would actually mail in textless cards to you was the kicker that kept me playing until they discontinued the rewards program.
That's fair. But I think the best way, outside being there is seeing video and discussing it. I've read some articles, but I far more liked this video and videos of the actual tournaments and such more.
Lorwyn/Alara standard was insanity (both the good and the bad kind). It still blows my mind that a deck like 5CC existed. Being able to consistently play cryptic command, cruel ultimatum, cloudthresher, broodmate dragon, wrath of god turn after turn shouldn't happen.
Holy shit, by the end of the video I almost forgot you were talking about a single standard format!
I saw pretty Deece and got really excited
How excited?
TCGplayer extremely excited. Especially when I saw it was 10 minutes
TCGplayer I’m a year late but... *ahem* ... Pretty excited. *mic drop*
Favorite standard? Teferi, nexus of fate, and about 17 counterspells. Kappa
Only 17???
That's a very low amount of counters
I started to play during this format.
Really cool look back into Standard formats of the past! I'D LOVE to see more of this in the future!
We'll keep that in mind 😉
As someone that actually played back then with some of these decks, I can vouch for the accuracy of this video. Recurring Survival was my deck of choice, though I ran prosperous bloom occasionally. Ridiculously great times.
Loved this vid. Brought me back to my first days years playing Magic, exactly during this standard.
The format so good they made a manga about it
I am certainly biased, but I'd love to see a video on Khans Standard, HUGE fan of that environment 💪💕
Ben Green definitely agree with you. I think that was the best standard format imo, but I’m definitely being bias, that’s when I first got into magic hehe.
I remember it fondly as well, despite Thoughtseize
Ben Green I hated that format solely because I literally couldn’t afford a reasonably competitive deck due to fetch lands. All the decks looked so cool and fun, but they all were as expensive as building a modern deck.
@@aleczitzelberger8123 Yeah, and Abzan was especially expensive. I chose to build Sidisi Whip instead for budgetary reasons, and I'm REALLY glad I did 'cause that deck was a joy to pilot.
@@aleczitzelberger8123 That was Khans-BFZ. OP is referring to Theros-Khans, which wasn't anywhere near as expensive.
Holy crap, this brings back memories. I remember this standard and remembered all of these decks - thanks for the walk down memory lane
I am loving this series you are doing. Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
These are my favourite types of videos on this channel. I love making old decks that only use cards from a specific block and these videos give me so many ideas, hahah.
these vids are so good! the graphic work is incredible and the author's script is terrific
I really enjoy your videos! Keep them coming.
I wish I was playing at least FNM level in 1998! Knocked it out of the park with another great video!
Thanks! I love the park
I think there was no FNM during that time. Because back then, a lot of us here in our country a lot of players meet every saturdays and sunday for the BlockConstructed, Standard (that we call Type 2) and Type1(which is like a close equivalent of modern format now) events. It was a lot healthy during those days because of mtg was under an experimentation. And a lot of archtypes were to be established in those expansions. One particular deck that was not mentioned here was the BioLightning deck that Inquest (the old magazine where we old-timers get updates and previews) created w/c is a cross between a mod-range jund and a junk deck that uses ernham djin as a finisher. Try checking on that deck. I highly recommend it. You wont be dissappointed if its preference you need.
Thanks man! This brought me back to middle school playing on porches and kitchen tables. Great stuff.
You're so welcome. Glad I'm not the only one who's played on a porch.
thanks for the trip down memory lane. This was also the time ESPN2 started to show Magic Tournament. so fun. I ran Forbidian and it was so fun... also right around there was the awesome Urza's Saga precon deck that was w/b with Pestilence in it, one of the best pre-cons IMHO so damn fun. I would love to see a video on the best Pre-Con decks, i've read all the articles but its better to show the cards in the video.
Love this series. Keep up the good work man 🤘
Thanks so much
Thanks for another great video!!! I love the manga “Destroy all humanity. They can’t be regenerated” and the story literally starts during this period of magic. Highly recommended for a nostalgic look at the 90s.
I love your videos they are great keep up the awesome
Work!!
100% agree! I loved this time. Cursed Scroll was a great 'fair' card that I wish they would pull back in. Tradewind rider was a beast, whoever got theirs down first probably won. Opponent was playing mountains and your at 10 life thinking your fine? hahah, Shock, fireblast, fireblast, your dead... And spikes! loved those guys. Spike Weaver was really an all star as well.
Spike Weaver was SO good
I would love to see cursed scroll come back, but I am not sure mono red needs to be any better.
I remembered that Cursed scroll was listed as one of the crappiest card during that time. Not until Schneider and the other red players played the card. And it was horrible in their opponents side. Imagine a powerful way for Red decks to deal with problem creatures with protection. And can chip yr opponent's life with 1 card in hand. So busted.
"Sac 2 mountains fireblast you. sac 2 mountains fireblast you." will forever be my favorite combination of words in magic. Just wipe the smirk right off of that control deck player's face after they throw a few consecutive counters.
Man, I don't know what it is about this specific Pretty Deece episode, but I keep coming back. I could listen to Jon talk about past standards for hours. It's just soothing.
Up to this day, the Recurring Nightmare Deck is my absolute favourite! I loved the elegance and clever deck design which is truely unmatched! You are right! Each play was a puzzle!
Love this video series.
I don't know if it is the best, but the one i hold dearest is Khans of Tarkir
Nah KTK Standard was sweet
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I also loved Khan's, I used to consistently 4-0 or 3-1 at FNM with a $15 mono red heroic deck. Siege Rhino sucked but it didn't survive a roast. Literally.
Ahhh those were the days. Miss em
Those were the best magic days. I could remember some other archtypes great during this block. Like hyper aggressive decks, e.g. mono black hatred deck. Basically you could play a lot of decks that could beat other decks.
My first booster pack was Exodus and I pulled a Recurring Nightmare. Exodus was my favorite set of all time hands down.
LUCKY
The Urza block sixth tempest block was just chaos.
hahaha yeah that format was wild.
I'm so happy you know how oath of druids in vintage plays infernal titan. I would love vintage videos.
I really loved this video. I got into Magic reading this manga called "destroy all of humanity, it can't be regenerated" and it featured the survival of the fittest/recurring nightmare deck that got me so interested in Magic in the first place. Although i didn't really understand it then, abusing combos really looked fun to me.
I completely agree with this so much. This was the standard I started with and I completely agree.
You just made my friday!
Nice
Love your content!!!
Thanks!!!
That was a great environment. My vote for best standard goes to Invasion/Odyssey.
That was the one where Madness was amazing right?
Madness, UG threshold, Psychotog, Mirari's Wake, UWR with Goblin trenches and lightning angel, Mono-Black control, UG Opposition, solitary confinement, balancing tings. Format was insane with how many strategies you could use.
Blue/Green Madness yesssss
@@lain2k3 That sounds awesome! Hopefully we see that soon. I do think 98 gets a leg up (based on the criteria stated in the video) for having the first true combo deck though
Back where there were real cards and no 5 planeswalker each set! :P
Best series on UA-cam no cap 👀
Wow, whoever helped you with this video really knows their stuff!
Please don't curse.
The sixth edition rule changes changed the game to more of what it is today.
True
How? Genuine question.
@@Dracobyte Among the 6th edition rule changes: No more interrupts, a card type gone. Regeneration shields were defined and the "damage prevention" step was removed. Triggered Ability was defined as a keyword. You got a pre AND post combat main phase. Tapped blockers now deal damage (this was a change I was unaware of and lost me a round that would have top 8'd me at a big pre-release). You lose instantly at 0 as a state based effect, rather than at the end of a phase. Artifacts don't 'turn off' when tapped anymore. Most importantly - THE STACK. Before 6th, FILO batches were used with very strange and unintuitive rules.
6th changed a LOT and gave us largely the ruleset we know today.
@@ennuideblase7888 Thank you!
this was pretty deece
Theros is the best set ! Thank's for the videos
Oh the memories.. pros bloom was the first real deck I ever built when I was 13 with help from a friend, how I miss that era of gaming.. once most of that rotated out it was all about scroll you for 2 every turn in green stompy until I win.
I started playing Magic at that time. Played the awesome lategame capable red burn deck as well as my all time favorite: Stupid Green with Spike Weavers, Feeders and Wildebeests. Good times. Playing against the other mentioned decks was a nightmare, literally so against Recurring Nightmare.
I really loved Scars/innistrad standard. Coming off the oppressive dominance of cawblade in standard there seemed to be a lot of diversity early in the format. Many early decks hinged off powerful interactions from scars block. Enginges like pod, tempered steel and infect came up against powerful cards from m12 like the titans and mana leak. Other decks combined the most powerful cards from the innistrad like snapcaster mage, geist of st traft and invisable stalker in the to be delver deck.
The second set in the innistrad block is when breakout decks emerged (possibly since it was the standard protour and that's when the best minds in magic were fully devoted to standard development.). I vividly remember the pro tour where kibler's wolfrun ramp narrowly overcame the returning finkel's spirits list with a miracle triple galvanic blast. It was early on that I remember fighting against most of U/B or esper control looks with drownyard in full effect. The "too powerful for block" lingering souls found a home in many decks notably the esper reanimator style control deck solar flare packing a very punishing combo of sun titan and phantasmal image.The undying mechanic found it's way into many decks via strangle root geist which fit right into slot with the R/G aggro lists as well as adding a lot of value to the pod lists. Geralf's messenger, another undying creature, promoted various zombie decks into contention and finally utilized cards like Olivia volderan which had previously lacked the compatriots necessary to roundout the baseblack creature decks.
With the introduction of the third set, avacyn restored the diversity was diminished by the ultimate form of the omnipresent Delver deck and it's new inclusion restoration angel. Resto wasn't the only card to get attention from AVR cards like cavern of souls and the absurdly powerful miracle cards bonfire of the damned, entreat and terminus all meaningful impact in standard.
Finally while M13 felt like a serious downgrade from M12 it's inclusion in the "fat" standard brought some of the diversity back to standard. Some very powerful cards like rancor successfully revived the infect strategy.
I'm sure i missed out on many integral powerful decks in the format but in my experience these were some of the most powerful decks in standard that had direct history of competing in and forming the metagame of scars/innistrad standard.
Great video. Would love one for each Standard!
Man, I played the Survival of the fittest + Recuring nightmare deck some years ago. A friend of mine just brought the champions deck. It was SO much fun
my father described the oath deck to me with a mix of nostalgia and horror. he described it as "Put oath of druids in your deck, followed by all of the fucked up shit you could imagine"
Innistrad, but pre-Dark Ascension. There were so many things you could do, it was a great time. Having Incinerate, Mana Leak, and Midnight Haunting in the same format was a wonder, would 100% return. Also, the sheer amount of people who would flash in a snapcaster mage, declare their spell target, I'd give them the go-ahead, and then they'd try to block a Stromkirk Noble with it, only to learn that "he cannot be blocked by humans" XD It's actually amazing how often people assume they know what a card does in competitive events
I loved inistrad rtr standard
When Ash Zealot was valuable
That was a pretty good one. The mana in that format was wild.
This was when I started, well 97. But I agree. Nothing has been the same since. I still have decks based on these days.
Nightmare Survival was such great fun to play. I managed to beat it once with a homebrew deck that had Lobotomy but otherwise it was impossible to beat.
Played a lot of MTG back in 98. This was a pretty awesome standard format. I loved Gemstone mine in my 5 color white. Got me to the city championship with Empyrial Armor and Shadow creatures.
That's awesome
Mike Long was gas, he is basically the Ric Flair of MTG, the dirtiest player in the game, i don't think we should honor bad guys, but IMO he should be recognized somewhere for his contribution to the game.
Maro has stated in his podcast that he feels guilty about turning Mike into the player he became. They really tried to play him up as the bad guy of magic.
Those were the glory days of Magic that I remember so fondly. And there so many more killer decks from that time period- Pandenought, Hatred, which were also early combo decks, 5CG, Senor Stompy, Stupid Green, Big Blue, 5C Black, Living Death, Humility Prayer, Grindstone. . . .on and on. Sligh eventually pulled ahead as the favored deck once its decklist got refined with better cards, but before then, Mirage/ Tempest Standard was the most open and diverse metagame ever.
100%agree. We never got anough time to explore the format back then. It's like Game of Thorne cramped in 1 season.
You should do more videos like this where you give a glimpse into a era of magic. Like affinity losing to astral slide!
I played in this format. Man I’m old but this was a great format.
I first started playing standard around scars of mirrodin to innistrad. I was piloting a mono-black infect deck and 3-0 many fnms. Then can innistrad and rtr standard. I too love playing restoration angel, targeting thragtusk 👌👌
I come back to this video just to relish the old days... funny enough though, these old days were a few months before I started playing. I got into the game during the later part of the year, apparently dubbed Combo Winter or How Wizards stopped caring and learned to love the Ban(list). I wouldn't actually play competitively until Onslaught block but I do remember a lot of people talking about banned cards.
I went looking into the deck lists from that era and unfortunately can only find names, no list for some. Particularly, Counter Sliver/Lennon Sliver. I found the names but so far in a cursory search haven't found the lists. I don't suppose you can cover this abysmal standard era in a future video? While many have talked about it, I know an in depth look at the Urza's standard would be entertaining, as well as educational if the deck lists are covered.
he's right. that was a great time to play magic
Man, I wish I played standard back then. I started at Exodus, but I was only kitchen table at the time.
You omitted perhaps the most obnoxious Tradewind Rider deck - UG Trade-Awakening.
In Pokemon we have this guy called Michael Long. He fits the description you gave perfectly. He also just got banned for cheating and from what i heard he was also really nice
We will meet on the dread ISLE!
I'll accept this answer.
I really do hope they print more jank effects that happen to work well with each other. Brewing up a randomly good deck always feels satisfying. Today it all seems to really "click" right away.
I use Oath of Lieges in EDH, its a fantastic card and makes games so much fun
That was definitely pretty deece
Return theros and m15 was my personal favorite
Please do a video on premodern! This video practically describes that format!
I played then. It was awesome. I played more after Mirage block rotated and Urza's block was legal. Outside of all the Academy and Memory Jar shenanigans that was also a great standard.
ravnica+time spiral, hands down, best format.
Flashbacks of Dragonstorm... I loved that deck.
Please tell us about the Kamigawa-Ravnica Standard!! I need to relive this!
Can you talk about Onslaught era Extended? The format depth and chicanery is mind bending
Mike Long aside I loved my cad bloom deck still have it still play it.
Ravnica-Time Spiral standard (2006-2007) was the best standard. Every deck archetype was viable, from Izzetron, Solar Flare, to Gruul beatdown, Boros Aggro to Dragonstorm, to even jank that shouldn't even work like Mono Black discard ft The Rack and Minslicer. It was the first standard format that saw the debut of Dredge as a degenerate mechanic via Magus of the Bazaar as well. It was a format where you can play all sorts of decks and still end up on top.
That format definitely ruled. Dragonstorm was way too good once it got Gigadrowse, but up to that point it was a cool format
I think D.Storm already ran Gigadrowse in its initial build since it was a RAV card to begin with. It was kept at bay by fast aggro decks like Boros Deck Wins and Gruul Beatdown, made possible by Char. Izzetron also did a pretty good job of screwing it over by Remanding the incoming suspended Lotus Bloom as well.
When busted cards are many instead of few, Magic is good.
Alpha 40 is the best. It has the most Ironclaw Orcs but it still has 4× Demonic Tutor Channel and Sol Ring at UNCOMMON. YOU GET A COMBO YOU GET A COMBO EVERYONE GETS TO COMBO OFF.
you never get around to worrying about Ironclaw Orcs there's Balance the P9 Bolt Wheel Regrowth Dark Ritual Armageddon Sinkhole Birds of Paradise SO YOU WANT TO BE A WIZARD? Swords to Plowshares Serra Angel Shivan Dragon every two color deck and most three color decks worked Nevinyrral's Disk Fork Vesuvan Doppleganger Copy Artifact
I think Wrath of God might have been the worst thing that still made the cut that's how glorious it was.
Price in 1993: maybe $150 to have a deck with Black Lotus.
Fastbond. Green was plenty good enough.
Happy you admitted you lied ;) hahaha. This was a fun time to play magic. :) and start playing.
My personal favorite was the first one I ever went to an fnm for when I first started playing again. Lorwyn alara was so much fun.
Yes very fond memories of thus time in magic. Probably the second best standard era. Still say invasion was were it was at though.
I wonder what Masques+Invasion Standard would've been like without Rishadan Port. That card is the worst.
Hi! I love this web series,
but sadly there hasn't been an update since October 2018! will we be getting
more pretty deece soon?
honestly, I think that the current ravnica is a really great standard thematically. The guilds just have so much personality and then you read the dnd supplement that was put out. This is the best supplement in a long anss time. I LOVE IT.
Can you go over my personal favorite Standard, Inndistrad/Return to Ravnica Standard? Sweet decks early on like RDW and Naya Humans were super good, but other decks like the Aristocrats Acts I-III, Junk Reanimator, Bant/4C flash, UWx control decks, Bant Auras, and of course, Jund were also so good too.
Corpora has already noted that he thinks that format was massively overrated in the Kamigawa video. Which, I tend to agree with. Sure, decks took turns being good, but the end days of that format were not nearly as diverse as people like to think, and the games weren't as fun for some folks. I like it more than Corpora seems to, and I think it was just good.
I agree.
I have that white weenie deck. Believe me, he knew how to curve it so that it functions with 17 Plains.
For anyone who was looking for the Mike Long vs. Matt Lindy video referenced at 3:54, I was able to find it here: ua-cam.com/video/i8bl8eIlB24/v-deo.html
Fun fact, in the Long vs. Lindy video above, they even joke about Long being a cheater at 41:39
Please bring back pretty deece :(
Forbid and Ophidian are still some of my favorite cards
I played Pros-Bloom endlessly. It wasn't the best combo I ever played but it was super fun. Games 2 and 3 were the tricky part. Everyone hated losing to it. You basically needed to have an anti-sideboad.
just drew some opening hands with the white deck, it seems totally fine
Hey that's when I was born. Must mean something...
This is A very good reason why nightmare and survival need to comeback to *STANDARD!* 👍🏾
We have arena now
did you ever say the name of who won worlds with that recsur deck, or did i miss brian seldon? that deck is such a fantastic build, so many tools to respond to many different situations. led to my favorite card of all time being recurring nightmare
I don't think I could enjoy a standard environment more than the SOM-AVR/M13 environment. So much was around and playable, I don't even care that Delver acted like a Boogeyman of that format, hell, that may even make it better.
Delver, Wolfrun Ramp, Solar Flare/Esper Control, Pod, Mono Black Infect, Frites, Mono Red, UG Infect, BR Zombies/Vampies aggro, even Tempered Steel and Grand Architect were available then. Probably even some decks I am forgetting.
I would do a throwback standard of that environment in an instant if given the option.
I played a Lost in the Woods deck with 27 Forests and a bunch of Undying or Indistructable dudes.
It was slow but fun.
Ahhhhhhh.... Forbidian.... Piloted at that Nationals by Finkle. :)
Standard around Innistrad was the best for me personally , Human Reanimator burn with Vexing Devil I was playing Bant Hexproof with Geist of Saint Thraft. Standard was explosive fun creative plus it's the best and most flavorful set.
Guild's is about to make this the best Standard ever.
🤞
Pros-Bloom, my favorite deck of all time
Imagine if newer sets were this diverse.