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@@fuzzyotterpaws4395Frank Morris escaped Alcatraz in the 60s, he used a paper mache head, fake vent, and life raft made from raincoats. In the branched timeline, Casey IS Frank
I understand what OB is saying. everything he saw and what is happening to loki is impossible, but the fact that it happened which is equally impossible makes it possible that he can control it because that is also impossible lol. Genius, basically its all impossible until it happens which makes the impossible a possibility. This is exactly what victor timely said, science fiction is only fiction until its a fact.
Which is a great way to look at our past, present and future. Man made fire wasn’t possible, until it was. Flying wasn’t possible until it was. Going to the moon? Impossible, until it wasn’t. You get the drift, everything is impossible until it’s not. We will achieve landing and colonising other planets, we will be able to travel at or greater than the speed of light and if somehow if our species becomes eternal (which is impossible of course, until it’s not), we will eventually become something of a TVA for our own universe. All of the above is impossible, for now.
The first five minutes were like a horror movie and I LOVED IT. the utter silence and loneliness inside an empty TVA. I hope someone makes an empty TVA ambience 10 hour video.
It’s a pretty cool way to turn him into the God of Stories in the MCU. Looks like he may be leading the Multiversal Avengers (The Exiles) in Secret Wars.
One thing that keeps freaking me out about Loki in the past is that Heimdall would still be alive and could see another Loki just appearing and disappearing all over the place. I'd love to see Loki brought to Asgard to try to figure out what's happening with him.
@@mun123keet he means all the Heimdalls from all the timelines Loki visits. Like Casey's Alcatraz timeline. There's a Heimdall in there who would be very confused about Loki being on Earth while at the same time having breakfast with Thor on Asgard.
Same with everything the TVA does lol, like Sylvie hiding in apocalypses or Loki going to Pompeii and it not causing a branch - Heimdall should be able to see them still, even if everyone around dies
What I’m wondering now is does Loki tell Mobius about his life on earth once this is all over, or does he keep it a secret so he can keep his friend at the TVA. Also if that is the route they take and Mobius finds out the truth, will it cause friction between the 2 of them because Loki neglected to tell him about his kids?
Honestly this is quite a big plothole that I hadn't even thought about. You'd have to assume Heimdall can't see those from outside his respective timeline, or the TVA
@@christianornelas994 if you're the type of person to do that don't you think you would have already read all of the book and know what every alarm means
I think Mobius would be the type to check what it means and we saw from them trying to take apart that tempad that he didn't have the whole book memorized.@@Ashadar_Resouley
@@christianornelas994 i was talking about you also mobius was dead so he never heard the alarm only loki did also i think he only read the parts related to his job at the tva and that alarm had nothing to do with his role at the tva and may not even be in the book at all so even if he did read the whole book he likely wouldn't know about the alarm, he most likely has read the whole thing just doesn't remember all of it just the parts related to his job
I always read it as the reason he can timeslip now and control it, is cause he is outside of time eversince O.B told him to prunehimself and Mobius pulled him from the time stream. Thus.. he did not get eradicated in the implotion of the loom but rather started to.. "float" in time I guess? He is not connected to the timeline or time at all anymore so he can jump wherever he wants.
But wasn't Loki timeslipping before he was pulled from the loom through pruning. It started happening after he was sent back to the now changed TVA by Sylvie right before she killed He Who Remains and he crashed through a window when he was riding on the back of a flying vehicle he timeslipped in front of Casey who had no memory of him.
No. Sorry to demolish that hypothesis, but: (1) Loki was already pruned once, back in Season 1. So was Sylvie, so was Mobius, and all the other Loki variants we saw at the End of Time. (2) Loki's time-slipping started precisely after Sylvie had used the special tempad of He Who Remains to open a time portal to kick Loki back into the TVA from the End of Time. (3) The "TVA Loki" (who originated from within the Sacred Timeline!) is special because his Nexus Event was being involved in the Avengers' time-travel shenanigangs during Endgame. Loki escaping from 2012's New York with the Tesseract and being captured by the TVA and thus being removed from the Sacred Timeline always _was_ part of He Who Remains' plan... HWR said so himself to Loki and Sylvie! Judge Renslayer was wrong when she convicted Loki because Renslayer didn't know. In fact, the TVA turning up to remove the escaped Loki along with the Tesseract _is what created a branch in the first place!!_ If the TVA had simply grabbed the wayward Loki, sedated him, deleted his memories of the past 5 minutes (of seeing the TVA agents) and of Mongolia, and had dropped Loki and the Tesseract back into New York somewhere were Thor and the Avengers would stumble across him and take him prisoner again, _everything would have proceeded again as originally seen in the Avengers movie!_ If the Avengers time-traveling to 2012 and meeting their own past selves, with Captain American even fighting himself, didn't create a branch because "it was supposed to happen", then Loki escaping briefly for 5 min only to be recaptured immediately and then sent to Asgard to be in prison in time for _The Dark World_ would not have changed the grand flow of the story. But the TVA intervened, took the Tesseract out of that point in time, and prune the entire branch they had created instead of letting it rejoin the main thread. Which also means that Captain America would not be able to return the Time Stone that Banner had received from the 2012 Ancient One t othat moment, because that moment was gone. Unless that moment happened conveniently shortly before Loki escaped.
Those who make this series are very good with the endings of episodes, "I can re-write the story", the one who always loses and despised so many below him can save entire lines, those who care... can win... Wonderful
i'm really a massive fan of stuff that makes you think deeply and philosophize, if that's the right word for it. sci-fi (semi sci-fi here) is such an excellent medium for stuff like this, and this season is certainly up there with one of my favorite pieces of media ever.
I think Loki's time slip ability comes from the fact that Sylvie kicked him to the TVA from the end of time, which put him in the *wrong* time within the TVA, which led to him becoming unstuck.
So when Loki is able to control the time slipping, he can now travel back in time without making a double of himself? It's like when Logan was sent back in time in Days of Future Past.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog I wonder what happened with his past body then. In DoFP, Wolverine's body still there because only his consciousness that was transferred to his past self.
@@hazri8758he kinda just posses the past body. Also he can only go back in time within his own past. Meaning, he can't go back past a certain time when he wasn't alive
I think Episode 1 gave the answer allready: When Loki pruned himself while the button was green, he was ripped out of time. Everyone else is blipping, because they are still part of time.
Loki pretty much "Quantum Leaped" at the end of the episode. Being able to jump himself, as himself, and even -into- himself, at an earlier time in history.
Loki is a literal Multiversal God of Time now. He's something much further beyond any version of Kang in the time hierarchy. Loki requires no device, he can just do it on a whim.
I lol'ed when OB said he lost his job and his wife left him. In real life, Ke's wife supported his dream through thick and thin when he decided to return to acting (he lost insurance coverage after EEAAO).
Little things here and there disappearing before the "spaghettification" spreads is the most chilling aspect of the Unraveling. Sylvie's lunch. The vinyl guy's coffee mug. The prototype TemPad. Kinda like the old Hitchcock thing about suspense versus surprise. We KNOW it is coming. But, the people about to be Unraveled have NO idea.....
I feel like finding out Casey is Frank Morris is a lot like the reveal that Loki was DB Cooper. I like the idea of characters being real missing people.
My favorite part of this episode was them insinuating that Casey was actually Frank Morris, from the real life Alcatraz escape in 1962. The same character that Clint Eastwood played in the 1979 movie Escape From Alcatraz, based on the real story. I thought it was so cool they did that.
Glad you guys are enjoying it, i actually got to work on this for the last year with helping make those time slipping effects throughout the series, glad you enjoyed the hospital one as that took me a while to create from scratch 😂 cannot wait for you guys to react to the finale its awesome
Honestly, the episodes keep getting better as the season goes on. I thought last time was a cliff hanger but now they pull this?! Cinematographically speaking, it just builds more hype with both the visual and auditory components perfectly synced.
I still think the original Timeslipping was because he got kicked to a different time in the TVA. Since time doesn't work in the TVA, he became a timey-wimey Loki. I think the tether stabilized him, until this temporal event. Though it leaves me wondering if he's immune to the spaghettification effect of time radiation.
I absolutely loved this episode! It was insane! Every scene and moment was just so incredible! I thought that the writing was incredible, the acting was amazing, and the tone was perfect. All throughout this episode I was really tense and curious about what was going to happen next and it just had me on the edge of my seat throughout the entire episode. This show’s story has me fully invested and interested to learn more about this shows plot as it unfolds. And I was amazed at just how incredible the music for this episode was, I’m so glad that they brought Natalie Holt back to do this show’s score. And each actor was giving a fantastic performance and I felt like they were all doing an amazing job for these characters. They all felt like they were fully dedicated and invested to their character and their role. I loved getting to see Loki Time Slipping again, I think that it served the plot perfectly. And I really liked getting to see that effect again, I thought that the visual for the Time Slipping was fantastic, it felt and looked so fluid yet distorted and painful. I loved getting to see Casey, B-15, Mobius and O.B.’s real lives on the Timeline. I thought it was so fun and really interesting to get to see these different versions of these characters. I also really liked how (especially for Casey) their real life versions felt very different from their TVA versions which led to some really great interactions between them and Loki. But for Mobius’ story, this episode was kind of sad, Mobius’ number one reason for not seeing what his life on the Timeline was that he was afraid that he would be “leaving someone behind”, then in this episode we see that what he “left behind” were his two sons. Also Mobius says that his wife died and with him coming from 2022 (during the time of the Blip) it’s possible that his wife may have been dusted. But on a more positive note, we finally got to see Mobius with/on a Jet Ski, this was such a funny and fulfilling moment. And I also really liked Loki’s talk with Sylvie, I thought that what they were talking about was very interesting and that you could really see both sides of the argument. As a whole I thought that the writing for this scene in was really great. And it was so sad yet heartwarming to hear Loki say that what he really wanted was his friends back. And seeing Sylvie’s Branch Timeline spaghettifi was crazy. The visuals of when and where the spaghettification would happen were amazing and I loved the attention to detail with how everything deconstructed. And the way it ended with nothing left except for Sylvie standing alone in this sort of black void was amazing. Then we see the scene where everyone, except for Loki, spaghettifis. I loved this scene, it was completely unexpected and insane. I honestly couldn’t believe what was happening at first, this felt like this shows own mini Dusting scene from Avengers: Infinity War. And seeing Loki’s amazing reaction as all his friends disappeared around him made this scene feel so much more dramatic and emotional. And then we see Loki learn how to control his Time Slipping, and learning that his caring for all of them is what finally allowed him to control it made this scene so much more great and heartwarming. Then at the end we see Loki go back to the end of episode 5, this leaves me very curious to see how the next episode will start and how this moment will effect Episode 6/the Season 2 finale as a whole. I’m also still very curious to see what will happen to our remaining characters like Victor Timely, Brad, Ravonna and Miss Minutes. I can’t wait to see where the end of this episode will lead into next week’s episode and how it will impact the future of this show and its story. I can’t believe there is only one episodes left, that is just so crazy to me, I don’t think I’m really ready for this season to be over yet. I am really loving everything about this new season so far and I can’t wait to see where this story and all the characters involved will go next. I cannot wait for next week’s episode.
I think this is all He who remains plan. He did offer loki and sylvie the opportunity to rule the TVA and loki is seen literally remaking the Tva in this episode.
loki is most likely going to be he who remains at the end and become him AND God of Stories loki. I mean he is the one who remained in the tva in the beginning of the ep but that probably means something else
@@CrankyGrandma yep he Definitely planned it because i may be wrong but his opinions were Either to rule the TVA and tell everyone they where variants aka season 2 episode 5 or kill him and set his variants free and we see option 1 happened anyway even though they chose option 2.
Loki trying to control time slipping, looked a lot like Jim Carrey in The Mask, trying to make the mask (Loki´s mask) work in front of the psychologist...
I think one of the reason why Loki is able to remain un spaghettified is because of what happened in EP1. OB mentioned he needed to prune himself and extract himself out of the timeline to keep for timeslipping. So he is no longer tethered to a timeline. The loom exploding may have made his timeslipping come back since the timelines went nuts.
Everything this season has been an Ouroboros Loki didn't time skip to the beginning of the TVA because of being pushed through the door at the end of time, I'm betting he goes there to try to find Mobius and friends immediately after their minds were wiped by He Who Remains. In episode 1 this season, the chase for Loki takes him to the command room where he causes the timeline monitor to fall and crack the floor, and he does it in front of Casey. When he timeslips to the future, Casey says that the crack in the floor has been there "As long as he remembers". It's as if Loki is trying to repeatedly find where they went wrong with Victor Timely and their plan to stabilize the loom. Something tells me it's that they pulled Victor Timely from the branch 1893 timeline instead of the actual Kang from The Sacred Timeline. The reason it's a sacred timeline? It's the timeline "He Who Remains" comes from.
If we remember that the TVA was staffed entirely with variants shanghaied from branch timelines before those lines were erased. So everyone just went back to where they had been.
It's a shame Victor had such an un-Timely death. As soon as he started to radiate an aura of selflessness and conquered his fears, I knew his death was Looming. Still, I was quite upset when he pasta way 😞 Rest in spaghetti, never forgetti.
Makes me wonder: (My Personal Theory for next Episode) Loki will be there right before Victor goes out and saves him, which could lead to Victor being a big character moving forward.
Well remember this; Victor is a con-man. I wouldn't be surprised if he has angle in this somehow and manages to come out on top. HWR's contingency plan was to get the TVA manual to Vic and this episode opened up with a replay of his dialogue where he basically said "Everything you do is because I paved the road in front of you" or words to that effect. I wonder if we are still following his gameplan.
@@WhiteTiger93 Hm, not sure. Loki jumped back to the moment all the people assembled at past-OB's house were last together at the TVA.... but Loki didn't collect Victor Timely, hence he can't jump to a time when Timely was still alive at the TVA. But Loki may be able to bring the spaghettified Victor back? Rewind him, like Doctor Strange could rewind time with the Time Stone, maybe? Spin his strands back together? I'm sure Victor Timely will play a role yet in the Kang Dynasty movie. I just hope Loki will as well (and not die at the end of Season 2, or be stuck as the lonely successor to He Who Remains at the End of Time).
@17:11 Earlier in the episode Loki and Branched Timeline “OB” were coming up with solutions. Loki controlling the timeslipping was the supposed solution to the fiction side, Loki couldnt do it, so he asked to focus on the science side. OB then came up with the Pen in a Mug to get the time space coordinates. When OB was getting cheese string’d, “it was a fiction promblem” was OB realizing the solution was indeed Loki controlling timeslipping. Which he then does in the following minutes.
No! The so-called; "secret rule" is that it's all about Loki! It's HIS story! (We're watching) That's why the whole; "Who?" Is about HIM. (His Name being the title of the show!) That's why HE can time-slip, and nobody else can, except Silvie has the original "Master" He Who Remains Temp Pad. What he REALLY wants, what his true motivation was, beyond just fixing the TVA, is saving his friends. That's what he needed to admit to himself, when O.B. was asking and when Silvie was asking him what he TRULY wanted. He couldn't control the time-slipping until he figured that out for himself. Which he did, which is why it worked when he figured out the "Who?" was HIM. THAT'S the "fiction" part, of the whole "Science/Fiction" theme, of this episode. You're overthinking it again lol they're being; "meta" again, like the 4th wall shenanigans in She-Hulk. It's the "God of Stories," transition, Loki makes in the comics. (We'll all see next week, either way, right?! ✌️)
The first 5 min were my idea of a fucking nightmare. The acceptance of loki that he doesn't want to be alone, that he wants to belong had me crying buckets, the the turning of loki the god of mischief to loki the god of stories got me weeping of happiness. I feel so much pride for him.
That whole bar scene was so heart breaking. It's like a crazy metaphor for life and change. How we don't like when time changes our lives and nothing lasts forever. That and the fact that deep down we dont like to feel alone.
Loved this one ❤ And their acting in this scene too. Also like how Sylvie remained visibly calm but from the look into her yes seemed like she was going to cry 😢 She was definitely regretting what she was saying. And later the reality just slapped her into the face 😐 UPD but it basically helped him to figure out how to control the time
19:16 the TVA reset itself. We haven’t seen the TVA completely deserted with protocol 1229 or whatever before. The staff was returned to their original branches so the TVA itself could spaghettify safely. But something messed up and the Loom keeps melting down anyway because the backup just rewound the Loom to a certain point in time. This is why everything spaghettifies.
Whenever it says 2012 New York City in an MCU project, we always think of the Battle of New York. It's basically the equivalent of 9/11 in that universe....
Something I love is that what we see Loki do when he’s trying to control his time slipping is almost certainly what Tom Hiddleston did every time they had to do the effect.
So honestly it blew my mind thinking about it. In season 1 when he asked about the avengers time traveling they said that was suppose to happen and I just realized the only reason that was SUPPOSE to happen was because if they didn't then this specific variant of loki never would have created the tva in the first place. So the only reason they are allowed to be the ones to time travel without consequence is because he who remains knew it would bring lokie and sylvie to the end of time like it did
Truly spectacular episode! The scenes where everything becomes spaghettified are incredible! Extraordinary special effects! I can't wait to see the last episode!
What if Loki discovers he cannot fix things except by preventing He Who Remains' death? His journey at this moment is about finding people he cares about. Now to complete his journey, what if he has to become the tragic hero and kill Sylvie (like Hawkeye losing Black Widow to get the Soul Stone)? All human connection eventually results in the pain of loss which he must experience to come full circle.
that would make it the third time Marvel kills off a main lady hero permanently for ultimate sacrifice and i think doing that shit thrice summons a blood demon or sum
I can't wait to see what they do with this. I want this sort of plot to mesh into the movies, I guess sort of like WandaVision did. Having this Loki reunite with Thor would be very interesting. He's already seen the life that the original Loki had and has had time to absorb all of that information on how they reconciled and everything.
The same music played with Don talking about his kids and when mobius was explaining he wouldn’t be able to handle something if it’s a good timeline. Made me cry 😅
I think because Sylvie pushed Loki into the past version of the TVA from the last episode of the previous season. A time that he was not supposed to be in and now he starts slipping through time.
LOKI IS THE ONE * HE WHO REMAINS * HE IS THE ONE CREATED THE TVA! UNTIL HE MET VICTOR TIMELY AND I THINK HE GAVE THE "POSITION" OF HE WHO REMAINS TO TIMELY THAT'S WHY! AND SEASON 1 ENDING HE WHO REMAINS SAID HE PAVED *LOKIS* PATH IT MEANS HE WHEO REMAINS KNOWS THAT IF SYLVIE KILLED HIM HE GOING TO BE BACK IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE LOKI GONNA CREATE HIM! THAT'S WHY!!!!
Loki used the Tesseract AKA Space Stone to get to a branch timeline, which could have been the starting point for the development of the time slipping, or it combined with something at the End of Time?
What if He who remains from S1E6 also mastered time slipping and that is why he knew whenever Sylvie was gonna stab him and knew every word Loki was gonna say in that conversation...
So basically Loki created new rules of time travel 😊 He's God of Time now 😊 And he's controlling the time because the power of friendship. That scene in the bar, it wasn't pointless, Sylvie helped him to figure it out, and so it helped basically everyone to survive
I think Loki can control the time slipping because of what he did in the first episodes to fix his first time slipping issues - he pruned himself and ripped himself away from all the time streams and came back together thanks to whatever doohickey OB gave Mobius. So it seems that because of that, he can jump around to wherever whenever because he's already 'been' there during his 'ripping himself apart' moment. He's separate from the timelines now
I may have missed this in the discussion, but what did folks think about Loki's "I'll gut you like a fish Casey" line from ep.1/season 1 & the line from Casey/Frank's escape: "if they catch us theyre going to gut us like fish"? Not a coincidence, right?
Not sure how into this universe you want to get. But if you’re going all in, there are so many good shows, games, books, and comics that all tie together. Such an incredible universe to follow
"There is the theory of the Mobius.. a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop... where time becomes a loop... where time becomes a loop"
When they pulled Loki out of the loom, they pulled his scattered existence in time into a single place in time. I think he became scattered again when two Lokis were on the same timeline and he pruned.
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Loki has officially become the main character
The line is “Wolmack! Why am I not surprised you piece of shjit!!!”
This has to be like one of the best marvel shows out their, none of the other shows made me feel like I was rewatching Infinity war
I have a theory , reason why Slyvie able go escape from the TVA & hidden from the TVA is because of Time-slipping Loki .
Loved seeing the Alcatraz escape and Casey playing an actual escapee Frank Morris. Similar to how they had Loki play DB Cooper.
I’m sad no one is catching this
Huh? That's an actual guy? Frank is a common name though
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395but only 3 people have ever escaped Alcatraz prison and one of them was named Frank
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395Frank Morris escaped Alcatraz in the 60s, he used a paper mache head, fake vent, and life raft made from raincoats. In the branched timeline, Casey IS Frank
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 I guess you didn't stick around for the discussion where Eric talks about it
I understand what OB is saying. everything he saw and what is happening to loki is impossible, but the fact that it happened which is equally impossible makes it possible that he can control it because that is also impossible lol. Genius, basically its all impossible until it happens which makes the impossible a possibility. This is exactly what victor timely said, science fiction is only fiction until its a fact.
That's crazy 🤪
I brain you just think my broke...🧠😵💫
Which is a great way to look at our past, present and future. Man made fire wasn’t possible, until it was. Flying wasn’t possible until it was. Going to the moon? Impossible, until it wasn’t. You get the drift, everything is impossible until it’s not.
We will achieve landing and colonising other planets, we will be able to travel at or greater than the speed of light and if somehow if our species becomes eternal (which is impossible of course, until it’s not), we will eventually become something of a TVA for our own universe.
All of the above is impossible, for now.
The first five minutes were like a horror movie and I LOVED IT. the utter silence and loneliness inside an empty TVA. I hope someone makes an empty TVA ambience 10 hour video.
I feel like there were quite a few horror-like scenes (which i absolutely love)
That would be cool
It’s a pretty cool way to turn him into the God of Stories in the MCU. Looks like he may be leading the Multiversal Avengers (The Exiles) in Secret Wars.
I sure hope so
It's also a way to set him up as the prime avenger
Ah yes, I definitely want the villain of Avengers 1 to be the hero in Avengers 5. Comic nerds probably love it but the rest of society is moving on
@@TheJerbolthis is the most bizarre criticism when compared to any of recent marvel films 💀
@@fancybusinesspigeon3879 Two things can be true at the same time
Loki is not the God of Mischief anymore, he's the God of Stories
God of RIZZtories
god of time would be better
@@grizzlyBear69grow up
@@idontcare789let him be he's probably a kid and if not who gives a fuck people can live how they want .
That's very Sandman. Dream is sometimes called the Prince of Stories.
One thing that keeps freaking me out about Loki in the past is that Heimdall would still be alive and could see another Loki just appearing and disappearing all over the place. I'd love to see Loki brought to Asgard to try to figure out what's happening with him.
The Heimdall from this Loki's timeline is long gone. His timeline was pruned back in S1E01.
@@mun123keet he means all the Heimdalls from all the timelines Loki visits. Like Casey's Alcatraz timeline. There's a Heimdall in there who would be very confused about Loki being on Earth while at the same time having breakfast with Thor on Asgard.
Same with everything the TVA does lol, like Sylvie hiding in apocalypses or Loki going to Pompeii and it not causing a branch - Heimdall should be able to see them still, even if everyone around dies
What I’m wondering now is does Loki tell Mobius about his life on earth once this is all over, or does he keep it a secret so he can keep his friend at the TVA. Also if that is the route they take and Mobius finds out the truth, will it cause friction between the 2 of them because Loki neglected to tell him about his kids?
Honestly this is quite a big plothole that I hadn't even thought about. You'd have to assume Heimdall can't see those from outside his respective timeline, or the TVA
i like how loki picked up the book just because he saw himself looking at the book and wanted to see what the other him was looking at
I mean I probably would have looked up what protocol the alarm kept repeating
@@christianornelas994 if you're the type of person to do that don't you think you would have already read all of the book and know what every alarm means
I think Mobius would be the type to check what it means and we saw from them trying to take apart that tempad that he didn't have the whole book memorized.@@Ashadar_Resouley
@@christianornelas994 i was talking about you also mobius was dead so he never heard the alarm only loki did also i think he only read the parts related to his job at the tva and that alarm had nothing to do with his role at the tva and may not even be in the book at all so even if he did read the whole book he likely wouldn't know about the alarm, he most likely has read the whole thing just doesn't remember all of it just the parts related to his job
@@Ashadar_Resouley why tf does it matter Mobius was dead and not there, I also was not there... You just proved that your first reply to me was wrong.
I always read it as the reason he can timeslip now and control it, is cause he is outside of time eversince O.B told him to prunehimself and Mobius pulled him from the time stream. Thus.. he did not get eradicated in the implotion of the loom but rather started to.. "float" in time I guess? He is not connected to the timeline or time at all anymore so he can jump wherever he wants.
Good theory. Makes sense!
@@CrankyGrandmait's not a theory that's what the show told u. Loki literally exist outside of time now
But wasn't Loki timeslipping before he was pulled from the loom through pruning. It started happening after he was sent back to the now changed TVA by Sylvie right before she killed He Who Remains and he crashed through a window when he was riding on the back of a flying vehicle he timeslipped in front of Casey who had no memory of him.
No. Sorry to demolish that hypothesis, but:
(1) Loki was already pruned once, back in Season 1. So was Sylvie, so was Mobius, and all the other Loki variants we saw at the End of Time.
(2) Loki's time-slipping started precisely after Sylvie had used the special tempad of He Who Remains to open a time portal to kick Loki back into the TVA from the End of Time.
(3) The "TVA Loki" (who originated from within the Sacred Timeline!) is special because his Nexus Event was being involved in the Avengers' time-travel shenanigangs during Endgame. Loki escaping from 2012's New York with the Tesseract and being captured by the TVA and thus being removed from the Sacred Timeline always _was_ part of He Who Remains' plan... HWR said so himself to Loki and Sylvie! Judge Renslayer was wrong when she convicted Loki because Renslayer didn't know.
In fact, the TVA turning up to remove the escaped Loki along with the Tesseract _is what created a branch in the first place!!_ If the TVA had simply grabbed the wayward Loki, sedated him, deleted his memories of the past 5 minutes (of seeing the TVA agents) and of Mongolia, and had dropped Loki and the Tesseract back into New York somewhere were Thor and the Avengers would stumble across him and take him prisoner again, _everything would have proceeded again as originally seen in the Avengers movie!_ If the Avengers time-traveling to 2012 and meeting their own past selves, with Captain American even fighting himself, didn't create a branch because "it was supposed to happen", then Loki escaping briefly for 5 min only to be recaptured immediately and then sent to Asgard to be in prison in time for _The Dark World_ would not have changed the grand flow of the story. But the TVA intervened, took the Tesseract out of that point in time, and prune the entire branch they had created instead of letting it rejoin the main thread.
Which also means that Captain America would not be able to return the Time Stone that Banner had received from the 2012 Ancient One t othat moment, because that moment was gone. Unless that moment happened conveniently shortly before Loki escaped.
Those who make this series are very good with the endings of episodes, "I can re-write the story", the one who always loses and despised so many below him can save entire lines, those who care... can win... Wonderful
This season of Loki has become one my favorite pieces of TV I've ever seen
Yup, waited 'till the whole season was out and couldn't stop watching it.
i'm really a massive fan of stuff that makes you think deeply and philosophize, if that's the right word for it. sci-fi (semi sci-fi here) is such an excellent medium for stuff like this, and this season is certainly up there with one of my favorite pieces of media ever.
I think Loki's time slip ability comes from the fact that Sylvie kicked him to the TVA from the end of time, which put him in the *wrong* time within the TVA, which led to him becoming unstuck.
Did she use he who remains’ tempad when she kicked him back to the TVA?
Yeah in 2x1 Loki's theory was that Sylvie using He Who Remains' TemPad, which sent him to the past of the TVA, is why he began time-slipping
But why would that not effect Sylvia or Renslayer?
@@X-Bones Renslayer had a helping hand within Ms minutes I don't about Sylvie thought maybe because she has he who remains tempad
@@mohabalserafe3795it's because Loki isn't connected to the timelines anymore. Y'all don't pay attention lmao
So when Loki is able to control the time slipping, he can now travel back in time without making a double of himself? It's like when Logan was sent back in time in Days of Future Past.
Yes and in X men Logan mind was send back not whole Wolverine
Yes, it looked like he was now jumping back into his own body along his own time stream. Which.... has advantages and disadvantages.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog I wonder what happened with his past body then. In DoFP, Wolverine's body still there because only his consciousness that was transferred to his past self.
@@hazri8758he kinda just posses the past body. Also he can only go back in time within his own past. Meaning, he can't go back past a certain time when he wasn't alive
I think Episode 1 gave the answer allready:
When Loki pruned himself while the button was green, he was ripped out of time.
Everyone else is blipping, because they are still part of time.
OMG so he was saving himself to save everyone in the end. Amazing and definitely makes a lot of sense now 👏
This is exactly what I was thinking
Loki pretty much "Quantum Leaped" at the end of the episode. Being able to jump himself, as himself, and even -into- himself, at an earlier time in history.
Oh boy...
Loki is a literal Multiversal God of Time now. He's something much further beyond any version of Kang in the time hierarchy. Loki requires no device, he can just do it on a whim.
I lol'ed when OB said he lost his job and his wife left him. In real life, Ke's wife supported his dream through thick and thin when he decided to return to acting (he lost insurance coverage after EEAAO).
Little things here and there disappearing before the "spaghettification" spreads is the most chilling aspect of the Unraveling. Sylvie's lunch. The vinyl guy's coffee mug. The prototype TemPad.
Kinda like the old Hitchcock thing about suspense versus surprise. We KNOW it is coming. But, the people about to be Unraveled have NO idea.....
And Loki’s drink at the bar
@@CodedHumor I missed it! One of the Easter egg videos mentioned it, and I was shocked.
@@scotthewitt258 It was very subtle, but he tried to grab it and it was gone, I didn’t notice it until a second watch lol it was a great touch
I feel like finding out Casey is Frank Morris is a lot like the reveal that Loki was DB Cooper. I like the idea of characters being real missing people.
My favourite part was seeing OB play around with the tempad while Loki was talking to mobius
Loki might have not known the Blip, but he experienced one of his own :(
My favorite part of this episode was them insinuating that Casey was actually Frank Morris, from the real life Alcatraz escape in 1962. The same character that Clint Eastwood played in the 1979 movie Escape From Alcatraz, based on the real story. I thought it was so cool they did that.
He was there at the beginning because they pulled him completely out of time in the first episode. So he had no timeline or branch to go to.
Glad you guys are enjoying it, i actually got to work on this for the last year with helping make those time slipping effects throughout the series, glad you enjoyed the hospital one as that took me a while to create from scratch 😂 cannot wait for you guys to react to the finale its awesome
I call cap on your comment lol
@@notBrockernot cap, i watched him through a window while working on it
Honestly, the episodes keep getting better as the season goes on. I thought last time was a cliff hanger but now they pull this?!
Cinematographically speaking, it just builds more hype with both the visual and auditory components perfectly synced.
I still think the original Timeslipping was because he got kicked to a different time in the TVA. Since time doesn't work in the TVA, he became a timey-wimey Loki. I think the tether stabilized him, until this temporal event.
Though it leaves me wondering if he's immune to the spaghettification effect of time radiation.
Probably is, the trailer had a scene of him walking on the bridge Timely spaghettified in, but without the suit.
I absolutely loved this episode! It was insane! Every scene and moment was just so incredible! I thought that the writing was incredible, the acting was amazing, and the tone was perfect. All throughout this episode I was really tense and curious about what was going to happen next and it just had me on the edge of my seat throughout the entire episode. This show’s story has me fully invested and interested to learn more about this shows plot as it unfolds. And I was amazed at just how incredible the music for this episode was, I’m so glad that they brought Natalie Holt back to do this show’s score. And each actor was giving a fantastic performance and I felt like they were all doing an amazing job for these characters. They all felt like they were fully dedicated and invested to their character and their role. I loved getting to see Loki Time Slipping again, I think that it served the plot perfectly. And I really liked getting to see that effect again, I thought that the visual for the Time Slipping was fantastic, it felt and looked so fluid yet distorted and painful. I loved getting to see Casey, B-15, Mobius and O.B.’s real lives on the Timeline. I thought it was so fun and really interesting to get to see these different versions of these characters. I also really liked how (especially for Casey) their real life versions felt very different from their TVA versions which led to some really great interactions between them and Loki. But for Mobius’ story, this episode was kind of sad, Mobius’ number one reason for not seeing what his life on the Timeline was that he was afraid that he would be “leaving someone behind”, then in this episode we see that what he “left behind” were his two sons. Also Mobius says that his wife died and with him coming from 2022 (during the time of the Blip) it’s possible that his wife may have been dusted. But on a more positive note, we finally got to see Mobius with/on a Jet Ski, this was such a funny and fulfilling moment. And I also really liked Loki’s talk with Sylvie, I thought that what they were talking about was very interesting and that you could really see both sides of the argument. As a whole I thought that the writing for this scene in was really great. And it was so sad yet heartwarming to hear Loki say that what he really wanted was his friends back. And seeing Sylvie’s Branch Timeline spaghettifi was crazy. The visuals of when and where the spaghettification would happen were amazing and I loved the attention to detail with how everything deconstructed. And the way it ended with nothing left except for Sylvie standing alone in this sort of black void was amazing. Then we see the scene where everyone, except for Loki, spaghettifis. I loved this scene, it was completely unexpected and insane. I honestly couldn’t believe what was happening at first, this felt like this shows own mini Dusting scene from Avengers: Infinity War. And seeing Loki’s amazing reaction as all his friends disappeared around him made this scene feel so much more dramatic and emotional. And then we see Loki learn how to control his Time Slipping, and learning that his caring for all of them is what finally allowed him to control it made this scene so much more great and heartwarming. Then at the end we see Loki go back to the end of episode 5, this leaves me very curious to see how the next episode will start and how this moment will effect Episode 6/the Season 2 finale as a whole. I’m also still very curious to see what will happen to our remaining characters like Victor Timely, Brad, Ravonna and Miss Minutes. I can’t wait to see where the end of this episode will lead into next week’s episode and how it will impact the future of this show and its story. I can’t believe there is only one episodes left, that is just so crazy to me, I don’t think I’m really ready for this season to be over yet. I am really loving everything about this new season so far and I can’t wait to see where this story and all the characters involved will go next. I cannot wait for next week’s episode.
I think this is all He who remains plan. He did offer loki and sylvie the opportunity to rule the TVA and loki is seen literally remaking the Tva in this episode.
loki is most likely going to be he who remains at the end and become him AND God of Stories loki. I mean he is the one who remained in the tva in the beginning of the ep but that probably means something else
Yep, I'm convinced! There's gotta be something of a reveal about that in the next episode, perhaps a cliffhanger?
Yep. He knew exactly what he was doing.
@@CrankyGrandma yep he Definitely planned it because i may be wrong but his opinions were Either to rule the TVA and tell everyone they where variants aka season 2 episode 5 or kill him and set his variants free and we see option 1 happened anyway even though they chose option 2.
Loki trying to control time slipping, looked a lot like Jim Carrey in The Mask, trying to make the mask (Loki´s mask) work in front of the psychologist...
Yeah true, i was also thinking about that 😅
11:06 from kang himself, hwr, it's been mentioned in ep4, Ob was inspired by hwr, so he wrote that book, all that knowledge came from he who remains
He was actually inspierd by victor timely. If victor is he who remains or not is still up in the air! :O
The TVA Guidebook is like A Journey Through Time book from Dark.
I think one of the reason why Loki is able to remain un spaghettified is because of what happened in EP1. OB mentioned he needed to prune himself and extract himself out of the timeline to keep for timeslipping. So he is no longer tethered to a timeline. The loom exploding may have made his timeslipping come back since the timelines went nuts.
Everything this season has been an Ouroboros
Loki didn't time skip to the beginning of the TVA because of being pushed through the door at the end of time, I'm betting he goes there to try to find Mobius and friends immediately after their minds were wiped by He Who Remains.
In episode 1 this season, the chase for Loki takes him to the command room where he causes the timeline monitor to fall and crack the floor, and he does it in front of Casey. When he timeslips to the future, Casey says that the crack in the floor has been there "As long as he remembers".
It's as if Loki is trying to repeatedly find where they went wrong with Victor Timely and their plan to stabilize the loom. Something tells me it's that they pulled Victor Timely from the branch 1893 timeline instead of the actual Kang from The Sacred Timeline.
The reason it's a sacred timeline? It's the timeline "He Who Remains" comes from.
If we remember that the TVA was staffed entirely with variants shanghaied from branch timelines before those lines were erased. So everyone just went back to where they had been.
It's a shame Victor had such an un-Timely death. As soon as he started to radiate an aura of selflessness and conquered his fears, I knew his death was Looming. Still, I was quite upset when he pasta way 😞 Rest in spaghetti, never forgetti.
Makes me wonder: (My Personal Theory for next Episode)
Loki will be there right before Victor goes out and saves him, which could lead to Victor being a big character moving forward.
spaghetti, never forgetti🤣🤣🤣🤣 you had me on the floor
Well remember this; Victor is a con-man. I wouldn't be surprised if he has angle in this somehow and manages to come out on top. HWR's contingency plan was to get the TVA manual to Vic and this episode opened up with a replay of his dialogue where he basically said "Everything you do is because I paved the road in front of you" or words to that effect. I wonder if we are still following his gameplan.
@@WhiteTiger93 Hm, not sure. Loki jumped back to the moment all the people assembled at past-OB's house were last together at the TVA.... but Loki didn't collect Victor Timely, hence he can't jump to a time when Timely was still alive at the TVA. But Loki may be able to bring the spaghettified Victor back? Rewind him, like Doctor Strange could rewind time with the Time Stone, maybe? Spin his strands back together? I'm sure Victor Timely will play a role yet in the Kang Dynasty movie. I just hope Loki will as well (and not die at the end of Season 2, or be stuck as the lonely successor to He Who Remains at the End of Time).
@@oswardshindano8293also "he pasta way"
@17:11
Earlier in the episode Loki and Branched Timeline “OB” were coming up with solutions.
Loki controlling the timeslipping was the supposed solution to the fiction side, Loki couldnt do it, so he asked to focus on the science side. OB then came up with the Pen in a Mug to get the time space coordinates.
When OB was getting cheese string’d, “it was a fiction promblem” was OB realizing the solution was indeed Loki controlling timeslipping. Which he then does in the following minutes.
No! The so-called; "secret rule" is that it's all about Loki!
It's HIS story! (We're watching) That's why the whole; "Who?" Is about HIM. (His Name being the title of the show!)
That's why HE can time-slip, and nobody else can, except Silvie has the original "Master" He Who Remains Temp Pad.
What he REALLY wants, what his true motivation was, beyond just fixing the TVA, is saving his friends.
That's what he needed to admit to himself, when O.B. was asking and when Silvie was asking him what he TRULY wanted.
He couldn't control the time-slipping until he figured that out for himself.
Which he did, which is why it worked when he figured out the "Who?" was HIM.
THAT'S the "fiction" part, of the whole "Science/Fiction" theme, of this episode.
You're overthinking it again lol they're being; "meta" again, like the 4th wall shenanigans in She-Hulk.
It's the "God of Stories," transition, Loki makes in the comics.
(We'll all see next week, either way, right?! ✌️)
It is a nice touch if you look at Mobius's boys they are basically Thor and Loki.
The first 5 min were my idea of a fucking nightmare. The acceptance of loki that he doesn't want to be alone, that he wants to belong had me crying buckets, the the turning of loki the god of mischief to loki the god of stories got me weeping of happiness. I feel so much pride for him.
That whole bar scene was so heart breaking. It's like a crazy metaphor for life and change. How we don't like when time changes our lives and nothing lasts forever. That and the fact that deep down we dont like to feel alone.
Nothing can "Humanize" a God for the viewer like realizing even Gods need friends and socialization.
Man copy and pasted the comment "d9nt" typo and all
@@scotthewitt258 I wouldn't call an alien with some magic a God. Loki really overrated himself.
@@qrowing what comment?
Loved this one ❤ And their acting in this scene too. Also like how Sylvie remained visibly calm but from the look into her yes seemed like she was going to cry 😢 She was definitely regretting what she was saying. And later the reality just slapped her into the face 😐
UPD but it basically helped him to figure out how to control the time
The pacing of this season is just flawless
19:16 the TVA reset itself. We haven’t seen the TVA completely deserted with protocol 1229 or whatever before. The staff was returned to their original branches so the TVA itself could spaghettify safely. But something messed up and the Loom keeps melting down anyway because the backup just rewound the Loom to a certain point in time. This is why everything spaghettifies.
Whenever it says 2012 New York City in an MCU project, we always think of the Battle of New York. It's basically the equivalent of 9/11 in that universe....
Mayan Calendar End of the World
Something I love is that what we see Loki do when he’s trying to control his time slipping is almost certainly what Tom Hiddleston did every time they had to do the effect.
So honestly it blew my mind thinking about it. In season 1 when he asked about the avengers time traveling they said that was suppose to happen and I just realized the only reason that was SUPPOSE to happen was because if they didn't then this specific variant of loki never would have created the tva in the first place. So the only reason they are allowed to be the ones to time travel without consequence is because he who remains knew it would bring lokie and sylvie to the end of time like it did
I love that Loki is basically Doctor Who now. I really think that "It's Who." Line is a slight wink at that.
It´s been like that since ep.3, I guess...
Yes! He is his own tardis. And just as bad as controlling his trips as the doctor is
I can't even imagine what's gonna happen next,this show is so crazy :) Loki's new ability is OP!
Truly spectacular episode!
The scenes where everything becomes spaghettified are incredible!
Extraordinary special effects!
I can't wait to see the last episode!
Loki's time slipping was kinda like the TARDIS...it didn't always take him where he WANTED to go, but it took him where he NEEDED to go.
when O.B. shocked him with the prod, i remembered Tony zapping Banner in The Avengers to see if it would cause him to transform.
This is really cool because in the Comics Loki becomes the God of Stories so the way Marvel are doing this is awesome for his development.
What if Loki discovers he cannot fix things except by preventing He Who Remains' death? His journey at this moment is about finding people he cares about. Now to complete his journey, what if he has to become the tragic hero and kill Sylvie (like Hawkeye losing Black Widow to get the Soul Stone)? All human connection eventually results in the pain of loss which he must experience to come full circle.
that would make it the third time Marvel kills off a main lady hero permanently for ultimate sacrifice and i think doing that shit thrice summons a blood demon or sum
It should summon a blood demon or something similar. 😄
Wild Ep! Great reaction as usual Wave Crew! Can't wait for the finale!
16:20 Nebula: Hey!
I can't wait to see what they do with this. I want this sort of plot to mesh into the movies, I guess sort of like WandaVision did. Having this Loki reunite with Thor would be very interesting. He's already seen the life that the original Loki had and has had time to absorb all of that information on how they reconciled and everything.
Aaron saw it lol, that wacky wavy inflatable arm flailing tubeman shot with tom mimicking it in the foreground was good stuff.
Erin's overthinkingness really shows itself in this show it's so funny to watch Eric just surrender to the thought experiments
Theory: Mobius is a single dad as his wife got snapped. Those scenes are set in 2022 👀🤔
The world looks pretty good for a post Snap 2022, even tho Endgame shows post Snap 2023 New York & San Francisco as being desoltate
It does say its a branched timeline, so it's very possible the blip didn't happen in this timeline.@@loganbw
Well, have you seen real-life 2023 NYC and SF?
@@LilLWH That was my train of thought as well
The same music played with Don talking about his kids and when mobius was explaining he wouldn’t be able to handle something if it’s a good timeline. Made me cry 😅
As I commented on the Timelines and Universes conversation from last episode. I'm was way too high during the Loki's New Powers segment. 😵💫🥴🤣
I watched this high and was the best decision im ngl im enjoying loki season 2 so much rn!!
Same dude haha, it's a great decision
It's certainly a choice
Yes
I love how doctor ish loki became in this episode
I think because Sylvie pushed Loki into the past version of the TVA from the last episode of the previous season. A time that he was not supposed to be in and now he starts slipping through time.
Loki is now He Who Remains. Kang didn't need a machine to jump around time just before he died.
Loki God of Stories Finally!
6:19 I like that they played the same creepy music from when Loki saw his death.
LOKI IS THE ONE * HE WHO REMAINS * HE IS THE ONE CREATED THE TVA! UNTIL HE MET VICTOR TIMELY AND I THINK HE GAVE THE "POSITION" OF HE WHO REMAINS TO TIMELY THAT'S WHY! AND SEASON 1 ENDING HE WHO REMAINS SAID HE PAVED *LOKIS* PATH IT MEANS HE WHEO REMAINS KNOWS THAT IF SYLVIE KILLED HIM HE GOING TO BE BACK IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE LOKI GONNA CREATE HIM! THAT'S WHY!!!!
I wonder if Casey being good at stealing explains him casually having some of the Infinity Stones in his desk drawer in season one lol.
Good speculation!!
I wonder if Loki could use one of those Time Stones or Space Stones to move around and fix stuff
Loki used the Tesseract AKA Space Stone to get to a branch timeline, which could have been the starting point for the development of the time slipping, or it combined with something at the End of Time?
the ending has loki s1 music for shadowing we visit s1 in s2 final
One of the coolest endings.
can't belive people haven't seen the Escape from Alcatraz movie with Clint Eastwood, such a good movie
Have you seen the majority of reaction channels, it seems most of them never watched a movie made before 2005.
@@cerberus01maybe because they weren't even born at the time the movie came out hence they have no knowledge about it
@@mohabalserafe3795 If that was the case millions of people wouldn't be Star Wars or Star Trek fans or any number of other movies.
What if He who remains from S1E6 also mastered time slipping and that is why he knew whenever Sylvie was gonna stab him and knew every word Loki was gonna say in that conversation...
Guys, he is the only one that survives and cannot be spaghettified because he is the fail safe mentioned in the beginning.
So basically Loki created new rules of time travel 😊 He's God of Time now 😊 And he's controlling the time because the power of friendship. That scene in the bar, it wasn't pointless, Sylvie helped him to figure it out, and so it helped basically everyone to survive
The soundtrack at the end goes nuts!!!
I love Loki became a God by unlocking the power of friendship.
I think Loki can control the time slipping because of what he did in the first episodes to fix his first time slipping issues - he pruned himself and ripped himself away from all the time streams and came back together thanks to whatever doohickey OB gave Mobius. So it seems that because of that, he can jump around to wherever whenever because he's already 'been' there during his 'ripping himself apart' moment. He's separate from the timelines now
The moment I realized Loki was rebuilding the TVA just like he who remains said he would my brain kind of broke.
I may have missed this in the discussion, but what did folks think about Loki's "I'll gut you like a fish Casey" line from ep.1/season 1 & the line from Casey/Frank's escape: "if they catch us theyre going to gut us like fish"?
Not a coincidence, right?
The BEST so far. I love it..
Lmfao. Damn, the Blue's clues reference was amazing. I laughed way harder than i should have...🤣🤣🤣
We went from Loki time-traveling like Marty in Back to the Future, but ended up with Loki time-traveling like Desmond in “The Constant”!
LOVED the Cleveland shoutout!!
So B15 was in NYC in 2012. Very interesting.
The spaghetti/shredding affect of everything disappearing genuinely terrifies me, whoever designed it did a great job
It's more unsettling than the snap to me
It's so unsettling. It almost looks like furry mould growing. Like the timeline is decomposing
I haven't been this excited about something since Wandavision
Maaaaaan this episode was sooooooo good!!!!
Omg! Didn't know that the alcatraz escape was based on real events!😂😂 thats awesome. Haven't seen any other reactors look that up.
Most of the ones I watch know it without looking it up.
Loki carrying the mcu so hard right now
Loki becoming god of story.. like in the comic
Omg Eric stop looking away from the screen !!! Lol😂
Not sure how into this universe you want to get. But if you’re going all in, there are so many good shows, games, books, and comics that all tie together. Such an incredible universe to follow
Loki has become Hiro from Heroes...
That ending. Wow dude❤
I did not notice the mcdonald's bag spaghettifying on my first watch. Glad they did.
"There is the theory of the Mobius.. a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop... where time becomes a loop... where time becomes a loop"
I want to see an edit where Loki's time slipping is just like Goku's Instant transmission from Dbza... "pop!"
Loki god of story confirmed
When they pulled Loki out of the loom, they pulled his scattered existence in time into a single place in time. I think he became scattered again when two Lokis were on the same timeline and he pruned.