It's more of an anti-hero arc than a villain arc. You're right that McKinney was unhealthy and he didn't need the stress of being a coach of the Lakers...but Riley was still pretty gangsta in his maneuvering to oust him and (spoiler alert) later Paul Westhead. As the show progresses, I'm sure the Riley's personal fashion choices will reflect his character arc. He starts the show as a sad, washed-up jock with a schlubby '70s hippie aesthetic. As he gains confidence and power, his gradual transformation to the look we associate him with - slicked back hair and expensive suits - will make alot of sense. This is a good show. Pat Riley is a very interesting human, and Adrien Brody is a good actor is what I'm saying.
For anyone that read Showtime by Jeff Pearlman, you know Winning Time is full of fiction. Pat Riley was always grateful to Jack McKinney for laying the foundation of the 80's Lakers, so much so that Riley, while with the Heat, would give tickets for Heat games to McKinney, who spent his final years in South Florida.
This show has shown that Pat Riley was grateful for Jack and that he also wanted to finish what was started. So if showtime is false then how come they properly portray Pat Riley as being grateful and also a great coach???
For anyone that's aware of laws and life and reality. If the book was completely false, the author would be in debt and the show wouldn't be able to exist
Pat Riley wasn’t a villain, he just knew that him and Westhead were the coaches to take that team to the Finals. You don’t win 50 games by just coincidence. And little did McKinney know, Riley would become one of the greatest coaches of all time.
@@kylev938 I need to binge this series. Not sure if it’ll ever show a future scene from Pat’s 4 years coaching the Knicks in the early 90s, but I’d love it if they did. The show is focused on the Showtime Lakers so I don’t expect it.
the one scene where he punches the blackboard, you almost see him transform into pat, its kind of crazy, I never wouldve even pictured the 2 as similar before this.
Can't wait for next week's episode. Looks like next episode will finally be about Pat taking over Paul. We're finally going to see Adrien play "Godfather Pat Riley".
I wouldn’t say villain, I would say he more like the type of character that you would think would just be a side character but would later gain a more prominent role.
nice name call! 3 Webster upper tier adjectives and a noun always stings and has optimal dramatic effect! Ain't nobody that can recover from such a perfect formula of name calling!
Great coach ...but thought he was omnipotent by the 88 - 89 season .He even tried to patent the phrase threepeet .The players had had enough of him by the end of his tenure. He drove them into the ground basically.
@@nicknovic3828Also the Lakers did not properly prepare for Kareem's retirement. Did not have a successor in the pivot, which was more critical 35 years ago than it is today. Waited until after the sweep by the Pistons to draft Divac.
I feel that villain arcs wise it might be Jerry West and definitely Red Auerbach & Larry Bird. Pat is still a little grey. We have to see the goal he has in mind and the actions he takes to achieve that said goal. Whether it's good choices or bad ones.
They're no bad guys and this show is highly dramatized. They completely shit on Riley and West throughout this series. They hit on gold with The Big Short. But everything else these guys have done are pandering liberal propaganda.
@@gabrielmcguoirk6106 idk about the liberal propaganda part. It looks as though we're both analyzing the show for two different things so I’m not reading the show for that in particular. I’m talking from a film perspective that every story has to have an antagonist in some way. Basically, they’re trying to prevent the protagonist from getting what they want and quite often the antagonist has the same goal as the protagonist. For Dr. Buss it’s obvious that it’s Red Auerbach. They both want a championship he’s trying to prevent that but there could be others antagonists for Buss as well. For Magic it’s Larry and maybe other people that want to exploit him or prevent him from being the man that he, which is "Magic". Dramatized, I definitely agree because it’s a show. However, good or bad isn’t the question and has nothing to do with a characters arc. Along with the central theme of the show it’s about from who’s perspective is the story from, what’s their goals, and how are they going to achieve said goals. The kind of choices (good or bad) they make determines their arc. If Pat makes bad choices to become The Lakers head coach then it’s a villains arc. Everyone can’t just be a good guy (a show doesn’t work like that). Look at the Spencer Haywood character. Not a bad guy but made bad decisions, therefore it’s a villain arc.
"Shanty Irish"? Does that make McKinney "Lace curtain Irish?" While I can believe that the real McKinney was pissed off at Riley, that's not a slur I'd expect from another Irish-American.
He is Villain own in the eyes of jack Mckinney. jack mckinney is stuborn to realize that not well enough to coach the lakers after his biking accident . Pat and Paul are trying to help him run the lakers for the meantime while he away so he can recover more
Do yourself a favor and read the book by Jeff pearlman. This show was entertaining but relied heavily on dramatization of events/characters when they really didn’t need to.
“Villain arc” is tongue and cheek you dummies lol He’s clearly not calling Pat a villain here… he’s referencing Pat growing balls and being “selfish” here. Jack couldn’t coach yet end of story. It’s a “villain arc” jokingly because he’s gone from nice guy not willing to say Jack is still scrambled to keeping it real.
The show portrays Pat Riley a villain, Paul Westhead a loser, and Jerry West an alcoholic. Writers of this show probably never even watched a basketball game let alone the Showtime Lakers
Riley isn’t even a villain. Everybody in the story is an anti-hero. Westhead isn’t a loser, just inexperienced. And as for Jerry West, he’s probably the most relatable male character in the show.
Hated this show and the way the characters constantly break the fourth wall. All of them, interchangeably talking to each other. Plus the whole show is basically fiction.
It was not villainy, it was ambition and not wanting to be (in his own eyes) a failure, since Jack coming back meant he was out with no other perspectives for a job and a life in sight. It could be read as a dick move, yeah, but hardly villainous.
They should have casted a better looking guy than Adrian Brody for Pat Riley. I am amazed these actors have not sued this show which has portrayed them in an extremely unflattering way.
I wouldn’t say it was his Villian arc. It was more of a good move since Jack was having serious health problems. Practically saved his life.
Correct, McKinney himself admitted in later years that he was not ready to coach in the spring of 1980.
@@ANTHONY0808able I can't believe it would even be considered. Buss actually did help McKinney get a job with the Pacers after this.
It's more of an anti-hero arc than a villain arc. You're right that McKinney was unhealthy and he didn't need the stress of being a coach of the Lakers...but Riley was still pretty gangsta in his maneuvering to oust him and (spoiler alert) later Paul Westhead.
As the show progresses, I'm sure the Riley's personal fashion choices will reflect his character arc. He starts the show as a sad, washed-up jock with a schlubby '70s hippie aesthetic. As he gains confidence and power, his gradual transformation to the look we associate him with - slicked back hair and expensive suits - will make alot of sense.
This is a good show. Pat Riley is a very interesting human, and Adrien Brody is a good actor is what I'm saying.
Riley was the backbone of the season, not a Villain.
It is a comedy tv show, not reality.
@@michaelcarrig627 it’s not a comedy
@@kingmufasa1688 it’s a dramdey
@@kingmufasa1688 kinda lol
He can be both! People love a villain show these days.
For anyone that read Showtime by Jeff Pearlman, you know Winning Time is full of fiction. Pat Riley was always grateful to Jack McKinney for laying the foundation of the 80's Lakers, so much so that Riley, while with the Heat, would give tickets for Heat games to McKinney, who spent his final years in South Florida.
This show has shown that Pat Riley was grateful for Jack and that he also wanted to finish what was started. So if showtime is false then how come they properly portray Pat Riley as being grateful and also a great coach???
For anyone that's aware of laws and life and reality. If the book was completely false, the author would be in debt and the show wouldn't be able to exist
@@thomasreal4576 Did you read Showtime by Jeff Pearlman?
It's call dramatization
yea i figured that out lmao i knew something felt off. one of the best basketball books i’ve read
“You first” from my experience that’s definitely Pat hands down
100%.
you know him personally?
Pat Riley wasn’t a villain, he just knew that him and Westhead were the coaches to take that team to the Finals. You don’t win 50 games by just coincidence. And little did McKinney know, Riley would become one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Not one. Riley became the greatest coach of all time
@@mattkominsky7308 facts between him and Pop I don’t think anyone ever did it better.
@@deadlifefr Zen master did it better than both in my opinion
@@6wHeisenbergwtf r u retards on? Basketball's greatest coach is Red Auerbach.
@@deadlifefrphil jackson?
I grew up watching Riley’s Knicks and this is an incredible impersonation. Loving this! 👏👏👏
that's really cool! time sure is a trip.. pat on the knicks, awesome!
@@kylev938 I need to binge this series. Not sure if it’ll ever show a future scene from Pat’s 4 years coaching the Knicks in the early 90s, but I’d love it if they did. The show is focused on the Showtime Lakers so I don’t expect it.
the one scene where he punches the blackboard, you almost see him transform into pat, its kind of crazy, I never wouldve even pictured the 2 as similar before this.
The shot in another episode when they show Riley as his future self is so incredible, and I hope they show that in later seasons.
It’s not his future self, it’s his father
@@suryabahubalendruni2817 I think he means the scene where he slicks his hair back and looks directly into the camera
When he finally slicks his hair back, that’s when the real story begins
Pat riley was the unsung hero of the series ....not the villain....lakers never would have won the title without pat riley
Pat Riley is an image that I cannot shake. Thats what a head coach should look like.
Exactly. The Lakers (in the series) started rolling once Pat Riley became assistant coach
Only in the eyes of Jack McKinney was Pat Riley a Villain!
Riley was fighting for his professional life here, don’t mind it.
This was my favorite scene out of the whole series 👏🏼👏🏼💪🏼
Same
Every cell in my head feels the real Pat Riley saw Brody say YOU FIRST and it followed a smile if approval.
Most of the characters in this series were really really close. The Riley character started out maybe too dorky, but he ended up perfect.
This show grew on me..absolutely love it ! 💯
Same. It started off really slow and hard to get into but man does it get good.
Pat Riley is the best coach ever, dude is a killer
Absolutely
He's also one of the best team presidents.
💯 FACTS!!!
Pat Riley is also the Sith Lord of the NBA.
@@foxmccloud7055bill russel was the black gandalf before he went back to valinor
Pat was a broadcaster for two years not two months when he got the job after Jack’s accident.
This series was amazing
Can't wait for next week's episode. Looks like next episode will finally be about Pat taking over Paul. We're finally going to see Adrien play "Godfather Pat Riley".
Pat Riley isn't the villain, the coach with the head injury is.
Have to agree
I wouldn’t say villain, I would say he more like the type of character that you would think would just be a side character but would later gain a more prominent role.
Definitely rewatch worthy
Jack couldn’t handle getting out of a building with door right in front of his face. Riley saved the Lakers season and kept everything together.
This cast.
My favorite character
If u actually watch the series there was nothing pat did that was "villain". He was just going along with how the players were liking it
Brody did such a good job and absolutely stole every scene he was in. I was really sad we didnt get to see more of this.
Not a villain arc but more of a "growing a backbone" arc. He started to become more assertive in stead of laying down
Best scene in the whole show
Great Video! Love it!
Love this show. 😂💯
nice name call! 3 Webster upper tier adjectives and a noun always stings and has optimal dramatic effect! Ain't nobody that can recover from such a perfect formula of name calling!
"You first" 🤣🤣🤣
Great coach ...but thought he was omnipotent by the 88 - 89 season .He even tried to patent the phrase threepeet .The players had had enough of him by the end of his tenure. He drove them into the ground basically.
Yes by late eighties hi got to full of himself 1989 finals was great team if he did not press to much scott and magic maybe will not get injured
@@nicknovic3828 I totally agree .
@@nicknovic3828Also the Lakers did not properly prepare for Kareem's retirement. Did not have a successor in the pivot, which was more critical 35 years ago than it is today. Waited until after the sweep by the Pistons to draft Divac.
Movies always used to have actors who looked better than the actual people they played. Now it's the opposite.
Pat looked much better than in the show. He had style.
If Pat Riley saw how he was portrayed in "Winning Times", he would go nuts.
He’s too rich and busy to care. 😂
Like Jerry West did 😆😆
In a good way? One of the most generous portrayals in the show. I don't really know the guy but I like him just based on the show.
If the series is really going to try to portray Riley as the villain in all this, than this truly is a huge work of satire.
He's not shown as the villain, he's trying to keep his job. If Jack comes back he gets fired.
I feel that villain arcs wise it might be Jerry West and definitely Red Auerbach & Larry Bird. Pat is still a little grey. We have to see the goal he has in mind and the actions he takes to achieve that said goal. Whether it's good choices or bad ones.
They're no bad guys and this show is highly dramatized. They completely shit on Riley and West throughout this series. They hit on gold with The Big Short. But everything else these guys have done are pandering liberal propaganda.
@@gabrielmcguoirk6106 idk about the liberal propaganda part. It looks as though we're both analyzing the show for two different things so I’m not reading the show for that in particular. I’m talking from a film perspective that every story has to have an antagonist in some way. Basically, they’re trying to prevent the protagonist from getting what they want and quite often the antagonist has the same goal as the protagonist. For Dr. Buss it’s obvious that it’s Red Auerbach. They both want a championship he’s trying to prevent that but there could be others antagonists for Buss as well. For Magic it’s Larry and maybe other people that want to exploit him or prevent him from being the man that he, which is "Magic". Dramatized, I definitely agree because it’s a show. However, good or bad isn’t the question and has nothing to do with a characters arc. Along with the central theme of the show it’s about from who’s perspective is the story from, what’s their goals, and how are they going to achieve said goals. The kind of choices (good or bad) they make determines their arc. If Pat makes bad choices to become The Lakers head coach then it’s a villains arc. Everyone can’t just be a good guy (a show doesn’t work like that). Look at the Spencer Haywood character. Not a bad guy but made bad decisions, therefore it’s a villain arc.
Is that a villain arc, cause that's exactly what I'd do too. The only person who's ever gonna really look after you is you
"Shanty Irish"? Does that make McKinney "Lace curtain Irish?" While I can believe that the real McKinney was pissed off at Riley, that's not a slur I'd expect from another Irish-American.
Tbh I only really hear these terms used by Irish-Americans describing other Irish-Americans
Marshall alt-universe after being judge fudge
Hey pal?! Lol his names on the menu
In Jack's head he's the villain
Luca is that you?
He is Villain own in the eyes of jack Mckinney. jack mckinney is stuborn to realize that not well enough to coach the lakers after his biking accident . Pat and Paul are trying to help him run the lakers for the meantime while he away so he can recover more
Please be a season 2
0:34 Its what I you to say to this guy who bullied me in middle school!!!
The best part is, Adrien Brody is great for this role
I wish I could get this instrumental track.
i saw old boy from how i met your mother and i broke lol
I kinda felt bad for Jack during this season
Villain??? He's beloved
Isn’t that the guy always in the crowd during the Heat games?
From episode number??
This show is so historically immaculate is infuriating
When Pat Riley said you first? Does that count as breaking the 4th wall?
Best character next to Kareem
I love the you first
Do yourself a favor and read the book by Jeff pearlman. This show was entertaining but relied heavily on dramatization of events/characters when they really didn’t need to.
Villian? Wtf? He was the actual coach of the team. He is the one that knows talent and basketball.
.. Destiny
Pat Riley is the Godfather.
There is no villain Arc for Pat Riley
Villain????? I thought all three of them had a very interesting "love triangle" dynamic and all of them have a reasonable stakes
You know what's funny about this "historical" drama? Their real-life counterparts say this show is not historically accurate and it sucks.
No historical movie or tv show is historically accurate lol
@@gfoot9916 that’s just not true.
*Why they did Pat Riley like that 😂🤣😂???*
This is not Pat Riley. This is actor Adrien Brody. Please check and correct.
Is that the guy from how I met your mother?
Yeah Jason Segal who played Marshall
This dude just doesn't look enough like Pat Riley to be believable.
Zero resemblance
“Villain arc” is tongue and cheek you dummies lol He’s clearly not calling Pat a villain here… he’s referencing Pat growing balls and being “selfish” here. Jack couldn’t coach yet end of story. It’s a “villain arc” jokingly because he’s gone from nice guy not willing to say Jack is still scrambled to keeping it real.
Pat the rat.
Pat is the mob boss of coaches 😂
The show portrays Pat Riley a villain, Paul Westhead a loser, and Jerry West an alcoholic. Writers of this show probably never even watched a basketball game let alone the Showtime Lakers
Riley isn’t even a villain. Everybody in the story is an anti-hero. Westhead isn’t a loser, just inexperienced. And as for Jerry West, he’s probably the most relatable male character in the show.
I was on Riley’s side tbh
Didn’t see him as a villain at all
He’s not a villain tho…
Hated this show and the way the characters constantly break the fourth wall. All of them, interchangeably talking to each other. Plus the whole show is basically fiction.
Make a movie about the communists in the federal government
555
I cant believe how bad they made this show tbh
casting Adrien Brody as Pat Riley...? I mean come on. I get that you want stars but there are enough in the series. It's not believable
What’s the problem? They have similar facial features.
It was not villainy, it was ambition and not wanting to be (in his own eyes) a failure, since Jack coming back meant he was out with no other perspectives for a job and a life in sight.
It could be read as a dick move, yeah, but hardly villainous.
Ambition
No he wouldn't have had no job, he would have just gone back to announcing, Chick Hearn promised him that
They should have casted a better looking guy than Adrian Brody for Pat Riley. I am amazed these actors have not sued this show which has portrayed them in an extremely unflattering way.
Not
This is real footage? Looks like a low budget mess
They threw in period like effects to the show for effect.
The show is actually good..I’ve even went back looking at videos of that season ..and they’re pretty much spot on with the look.
@@Malice1111 the fact that he didn’t know that shows he has a lower IQ than a Pre-K student 🤣😂🤷🏾♂️
Brody as riley..... Nope. 👃
Great actor, but doesn't fit this role at all.
Brody looks like a kid playing pretend. Just looks like a silly show.
Villain?!