Hopefully it looked like I had fun making this one because I did. Jerry is a 🐐. Which sports icon do you think that I should Fact check? Let me know 👇🏾 in the comments and 🙏🏾 for watching.
It's insanely ironic how much EVERYONE loves this portrayal of him except for him... which is exactly how the portrayal of him would react. I wasn't sure if they did him justice until I saw his reaction. I've never loved him more.
@@jioreyes5838 Naw, this is just my theory based off human psychology and situations I've dealt with in life. As a human being, our intuitions are based off many things. This is just my guess. Feel free to make yours.
The first time I learned about issues with Jerry West is that during their title runs from 2000 to 2002, Jerry West said he had severe stress watching these playoff games. I also read that after winning the 1972 NBA Title, Jerry West felt very "empty" after it took over a decade to finally win a title as a player. I was not surprised with how he is portrayed in this docudrama. Thank you for posting such a detailed video on other factual information about West from his own auto biography.
good analysis ... I was sympathetic to his portrayal ... he is not a bully or a predator. he is just a man who can only cope with stress through rage and he loses his composure
@@ViewTheRightThing no problem buddy! Just finished a great book on the 69’ NBA finals titles “Tall Men, Short Shorts” and highly recommend it for any NBA fan or sports fan in general! Again love your work your doing here!
You said “ holler”. Much respect from a West Virginian. Great video sir. Also love winning time. Jerry is such a legend back in his home state. He’s royalty.
From 2023. The showtime series is still a interesting drama/ doc. The players gave all these tell all books in the early 2000’s but now their grandkids and a new generation are learning about them. They are trying to whitewash it.
This is exactly it. Jerry was intense and tormented, but also a basketball savant in management role. He didn't come into rooms swearing and ranting. He was like EF Hutton, when he spoke ppl listened. You can't respect the cartoon Jerry of Winning Time, but all his players and co-workers did respect him. He is the basketball genius who built the Showtime Lakers.
The one thing on the show that seemed out of left field was when they suggested he was drunk on the job. I’d never heard that before, and I could see him finding that defamatory if it’s not true.
It's interesting you mention Bill Plaschke at 2:15 - his LAT column on 4/22 basically bashed the series for its portrayal of West. He even quoted Steve Springer, who co-wrote the book the series is based off, who said the portrayal of West was "stupid and dumb."
The thing is Jerry West hates losing at all costs and will do anything to win and make it happen. Imagine losing to the Celtics as a player all the time getting right to the mountain top and falling off each time as the Celtics knock you off. Then the Knicks do it in 1970. Then when you FINALLY FINALLY win it all in 1972, you are emotionally and physically drained that you can't enjoy the win. That's what is woven in his DNA now is win at all costs. That's why he did everything to get Magic did everything humanely possible for the team to beat the Celtics in 1985 after losing in 1984. Why it eventually took everything out of him. I am just shocked that the stress and anger he has held didn't cause an aneurysm, stroke, or heart attack in those years. He's 84 and still going.
West was definitely an intense person, derived from his days as a player, he could melt lead. But he was brilliant. He knew how to find talent and build teams. That said though, it took Bill Sharman to rein him in and channel his energy right, first as coach, then as GM, later president (with West as GM).
No one would have ever attained and held the jobs he has throughout his life if he was Alcohol- raged-fueled-abusive-emotional-cripple that he is portrayed in Winning Time. West comes off as almost the stereotypical abusive stepfather trope then a man haunted by his defeats and wonders if any or all the criticism from his detractors claimed were right (see Herb Brooks portrayal in Miracle [2004] or Billy Beane in Money Ball [2011] for that type of character). The Jerry West they portray is a barely functional human being who I wouldn't trust to make a damn sandwich let alone be a GM or member of a Pro-team Lockerroom.
@@ViewTheRightThing LMAO. I believe that there is no definitive GOAT, not even Jordan. When however one talks of a GOAT killer instinct has to be part of the conversation. I'd argue that no NBA player has been gifted with more natural athletic prowess than LeBron. By the same token he is more bereft of killer instinct than any other great player. Put a little West or Kobe into LeBron and he would dominate until age 60. Instead he is basically headed for his final couple of seasons, doing a lot of whining, a lot of trash talk and very little winning.
Did he do more in real life than what was portrayed in the series? I felt like he didn't do much besides randomly show up and give some advice to coaches and players.
I don't think any of us can imagine what it must have been like to compete at that level... and to lose... (in the finals)... year after year, after tear... to the same team, while also being the best player on the floor. Most people wouldn't be able to manage that. I know I would've ended up in jail... at least! So I believe West dealt with it very well. If anything, I like him even more now!
It’s not a documentary and they break the 4th wall multiple times. And even if winning time has some inaccuracies it pushes younger people or people who don’t know basketball to look up the dtoryv
I don't think Jerry West was like that in public. But he damn sure was angry on the inside. I get that. West was a competitor of the highest order. When I view that series, i feel like they're just channelling the inner Jerry West. Also, Jerry West was a guaranteed Bucket.
They have portrayed him like some kind of cartoons childish on cocaine with zero autocontrol. I mean, it's funny to watch and I understand it's for dramatic purposes about being competitive to the extreme and all that, but I understand too that to hime or his family can be very unrespectull.
Yaw former Lakers need to stop it. Winning is a good series. All the former Laker stars are protray good. If you were around the 79-80 season this movie hit everything just about right.
Hopefully it looked like I had fun making this one because I did. Jerry is a 🐐. Which sports icon do you think that I should Fact check? Let me know 👇🏾 in the comments and 🙏🏾 for watching.
It's insanely ironic how much EVERYONE loves this portrayal of him except for him... which is exactly how the portrayal of him would react. I wasn't sure if they did him justice until I saw his reaction. I've never loved him more.
My sentiments Exactly!
I thought they said Kareem and Michael Cooper DIDN'T like the portrayal of West..
@@nickwilkinson8171 Everyone who wasn't in the movie. Like fans.
yal fans swear you know everything smh
@@jioreyes5838 Naw, this is just my theory based off human psychology and situations I've dealt with in life. As a human being, our intuitions are based off many things. This is just my guess. Feel free to make yours.
The first time I learned about issues with Jerry West is that during their title runs from 2000 to 2002, Jerry West said he had severe stress watching these playoff games. I also read that after winning the 1972 NBA Title, Jerry West felt very "empty" after it took over a decade to finally win a title as a player. I was not surprised with how he is portrayed in this docudrama. Thank you for posting such a detailed video on other factual information about West from his own auto biography.
Yeah, Jerry didn't really address his mental health issues until later in life but says that he's happier for the journey.
good analysis ... I was sympathetic to his portrayal ... he is not a bully or a predator. he is just a man who can only cope with stress through rage and he loses his composure
When the Celtics beat Jerry West and the Lakers in the 1969 NBA finals that is the one that finally sent him over the edge.
🎯 exactly, he basically said as much in his book. Thanks for the comment.
@@ViewTheRightThing no problem buddy! Just finished a great book on the 69’ NBA finals titles “Tall Men, Short Shorts” and highly recommend it for any NBA fan or sports fan in general! Again love your work your doing here!
@@HayastAnFedayi where can I get it ?
You said “ holler”. Much respect from a West Virginian. Great video sir. Also love winning time. Jerry is such a legend back in his home state. He’s royalty.
In his book he says he's angry and tormented, not that he lashes out every 5 seconds and torments others, there's a massive difference
From 2023.
The showtime series is still a interesting drama/ doc.
The players gave all these tell all books in the early 2000’s but now their grandkids and a new generation are learning about them. They are trying to whitewash it.
This is exactly it. Jerry was intense and tormented, but also a basketball savant in management role. He didn't come into rooms swearing and ranting. He was like EF Hutton, when he spoke ppl listened. You can't respect the cartoon Jerry of Winning Time, but all his players and co-workers did respect him. He is the basketball genius who built the Showtime Lakers.
Thank you. You would think this clear distinction wouldn't be so hard for people to understand, but apparently it is!
The one thing on the show that seemed out of left field was when they suggested he was drunk on the job. I’d never heard that before, and I could see him finding that defamatory if it’s not true.
Doesn't matter what Jerry thinks of this portrayal. I love the character of Jerry West in the show, he's very entertaining.
It's interesting you mention Bill Plaschke at 2:15 - his LAT column on 4/22 basically bashed the series for its portrayal of West. He even quoted Steve Springer, who co-wrote the book the series is based off, who said the portrayal of West was "stupid and dumb."
I love HBO Jerry West.
In his book does he say he threw golf clubs, smashed trophies, broke windows, and/or told inanimate objects to F off?
Yeah, he does and more but I dont think that any of that defines him as a person or player. Thanks for comment.
No he doesn't.
This was awesome! Keep it coming!
Thanks bro, I'd hoped that y'all would like this new content. I really appreciate the comment.
Who said "docuseries"? A docuseries is a documentary split into parts. This, as they tell you several times, is a fictionalized TV show
LOL, one quick google search later and I am no longer going to be saying that. 🙏🏾 for the catch and comment.
Man anytime I saw Jerry west in the show I couldn't stop laughing LMAO that actor is so good bruh
Keep them coming !
The thing is Jerry West hates losing at all costs and will do anything to win and make it happen. Imagine losing to the Celtics as a player all the time getting right to the mountain top and falling off each time as the Celtics knock you off. Then the Knicks do it in 1970. Then when you FINALLY FINALLY win it all in 1972, you are emotionally and physically drained that you can't enjoy the win. That's what is woven in his DNA now is win at all costs. That's why he did everything to get Magic did everything humanely possible for the team to beat the Celtics in 1985 after losing in 1984. Why it eventually took everything out of him. I am just shocked that the stress and anger he has held didn't cause an aneurysm, stroke, or heart attack in those years. He's 84 and still going.
West was definitely an intense person, derived from his days as a player, he could melt lead. But he was brilliant. He knew how to find talent and build teams.
That said though, it took Bill Sharman to rein him in and channel his energy right, first as coach, then as GM, later president (with West as GM).
You said it early in the video - HBO is slandering Jerry for the shock value. plain and simple.
I think it’s safe to say that Jerry West is gonna be all right lol
Exactly! Jerry West is an institution, he'll be aight 😅 Thanks for the comment.
Ig its because he and Kareem are grandparents now. They dont want to hear Paw Paw cussing people out 😂
No one would have ever attained and held the jobs he has throughout his life if he was Alcohol- raged-fueled-abusive-emotional-cripple that he is portrayed in Winning Time. West comes off as almost the stereotypical abusive stepfather trope then a man haunted by his defeats and wonders if any or all the criticism from his detractors claimed were right (see Herb Brooks portrayal in Miracle [2004] or Billy Beane in Money Ball [2011] for that type of character). The Jerry West they portray is a barely functional human being who I wouldn't trust to make a damn sandwich let alone be a GM or member of a Pro-team Lockerroom.
Rumor has it Jerry saw this and shot his dog.
Broo 😂😂😂😂
Meh. West should relax. It’s a great character. He should roll with it. He’s not going to win by getting angry and becoming that character.
Jerry West: I"M NOT ANGRY!! 😂. Thanks for the comment.
It's a TV show. if true or false, it doesn't matter.
I love fictional West in the show. He's epic.
As for the real West, hey...can we put about 10 ccs of that blood into Lebron?
We could but his body would reject it 😂
@@ViewTheRightThing LMAO. I believe that there is no definitive GOAT, not even Jordan. When however one talks of a GOAT killer instinct has to be part of the conversation.
I'd argue that no NBA player has been gifted with more natural athletic prowess than LeBron. By the same token he is more bereft of killer instinct than any other great player. Put a little West or Kobe into LeBron and he would dominate until age 60.
Instead he is basically headed for his final couple of seasons, doing a lot of whining, a lot of trash talk and very little winning.
@@yummyyum36719 finally, I didn't think I'd find another person who shares the same view on the Goat debate
Jerry was one of my favorite characters in the series
Did he do more in real life than what was portrayed in the series?
I felt like he didn't do much besides randomly show up and give some advice to coaches and players.
Yeah me too but remember that he's "The Logo" and people are super protective of his rep. 'Preciate the comment.
They need to make a biopic of this guy
I don't think any of us can imagine what it must have been like to compete at that level... and to lose... (in the finals)... year after year, after tear... to the same team, while also being the best player on the floor.
Most people wouldn't be able to manage that. I know I would've ended up in jail... at least! So I believe West dealt with it very well. If anything, I like him even more now!
In the mindset of Rocky Balboa, that might make Jerry one of the greatest fighters of all time.
Jerry West, upset over the inaccurate portrayal as a temperamental exec prone to fits of rage, probably tossed a chair through the window.
It’s not a documentary and they break the 4th wall multiple times. And even if winning time has some inaccuracies it pushes younger people or people who don’t know basketball to look up the dtoryv
I don't think Jerry West was like that in public. But he damn sure was angry on the inside. I get that. West was a competitor of the highest order. When I view that series, i feel like they're just channelling the inner Jerry West. Also, Jerry West was a guaranteed Bucket.
They have portrayed him like some kind of cartoons childish on cocaine with zero autocontrol. I mean, it's funny to watch and I understand it's for dramatic purposes about being competitive to the extreme and all that, but I understand too that to hime or his family can be very unrespectull.
Yaw former Lakers need to stop it. Winning is a good series. All the former Laker stars are protray good. If you were around the 79-80 season this movie hit everything just about right.
This series is loosely based. Very entertaining but you can’t take everything personal. Just imagine a little lol
I loved jerry west in the show because he's a flawed character
does the real jerry west have such a big chin?🙃
Lol, he wishes.
Jerry West is a legend but also only human. So maybe Winning Time is not 100% accurate but who cares?
Remember the time when Jerry West punched Shaquille O'Neal