Completely agree with cashman. I think it's very clear that since the team that beat them in the series to advance to the world series cheated, that cashman should not be shamed for not getting the Yankees to the world series in that year.
@@HeadShotKilla10 bingo. Well said. Yes 2019 was never proven. They shouldnt be in the HOF. Guys who could of been easy HOF caliber players & threw it away.
What is the matter with you Don! You would be up in arms if they cheated the Mets. Yanks would have went to at least one of those world series. He's not saying they would have won a world series.
@@Subo23they all dried up and turned out to be busts.. Clint Frazier, Miguel Andujar, Andrew Velasquez and many more and then some were traded for nothing Sonny Gray etc
I've never been a fan of Don's logic with stuff like this. The yankees couldn't hint is true, but neither could the astros. The only games, the astros won in that year was under home turf, where they were able to cheat like crazy.
@@joelgarcia6534 No one is talking about 2022, this is solely about 2017. The Astros completely dominated the Yankees in 2022 and were the far superior team. In regard to 2017, that is up for debate with the cheating scandal. Unfortunately, nothing anyone can do about it now. So it is best to just move on.
Cashman never said they would have gone to the World Series, he said they were cheated and that is undeniable. Offense has nothing to do with being cheated. Don is WRONG. It’s not playing a game to say you were cheated when a team admits to cheating. They may not have gone to the game 7 if not for the cheating so you can’t start parsing offense and pitching and reasons why they lost. They were cheated… that’s it.
Brian Cashman wants to divert your attention to one year to cover up for not getting his team back to the World Series. He’s using the Astros to cover up his screw ups.
Having PED guys in an era where literally every team had PED guys needs to stop being brought up as if it is similar to a team wide cheating system that the opponent has no chance to counter. Never mind the fact that, while PEDs obviously give players an advantage, I guarantee you that every person that used them would have had better numbers if, instead of using PEDs, they just knew what pitch was coming. Stupid comparison, please stop making it.
Yes the Yankees couldn't hit, but that doesn't dismiss that they were cheated. Maybe the Astros would have hit worse than them without the cheating. Yes we don't know for sure, but we do know 1 team was caught cheating. If both teams knew what pitch was coming then Yankees probably could have hit better as well. We are talking about a 7 game series. Where any advantage could have been the difference. There is more pressure at every at bat for the team that doesn't know what pitch is coming.
Why nobody say anything about the red sox from 2018 ? And nobody say anything about those letters that came out years ago about the yankees and dodgers did the same thing? Even in the old days, teams used morse code and binoculars to steal signs
Is called hypocrisy. Everyone wants to point their self righteous finger at the Astros. Yankees did it in 2015 and parts of 2016. Red Sox did shady things in 2018. Let’s put our mental asterisks next to those teams. BTW. I’m a lifelong RS fan.
@@justadude2800 man the red Sox in 2018 were a great team ok they cheated so? They were a great team, I am an Astros fan since 1999 and when the red Sox beat them I was like dude this team is good, and when the news came that the red Sox cheated and I did not care to be honest
@@DanielBenavides-uh4zeyeah they were a juggernaut. But it did kind of detract from the accomplishment. I just get tired of the cheating accusations going around. Sorry, but I’m not gonna listen to a Yankee fan whine about cheating. Dude, they were fined for it! Look it up. My friend is a Yankee fan. When I bring it up he says “ yeah but they didn’t win the WS in 2015 or 2016”. Oh I see so it’s only “cheating” if the team wins a WS? Sorry, but I’m not buying it. With all due respect to you, I never understood why Astro fans put up with Yankees holier than thou attitude. Cashman whining about it is gold. And listen to Michael Kay at the 1:00 mark: “Astros were the only team that were caught cheating”. That’s wrong.
@@justadude2800 yes my boy you are totally right, I really like your opinion and yes I don't like to listen to a Yankee neither a dodger fan whining about it
i don't view it as excuses because that's exactly what happened we were cheated out of going to a WS and competing for one that's where Cash is coming from.
Little League teams lost at Williamsport when the Bronx team used a 15-yr-old pitcher, and when the Taiwan teams used players from different cities instead of the small area required by LL rules. The teams that lost have every right to attribute their losses to dishonest competition. The Astros went out of their way to give themselves an unfair competitive advantage. Every team they beat has a right to remind the world that Houston's '17 trophy is tainted.
I'm of the belief that Verlander and the pitching staff were up to no good also. They just didn't get caught. The Yankees beat the brakes off of them in the Bronx, series goes back to Houston and all of the sudden they dominate?
This is a foolish comparison. A team wide cheating system that lets them know literally what pitch is coming is not comparable to individual. players cheating. Also, there's zero actual.evidence either of them used PEDs in 2009, we know for a fact the Astros cheated.
Mets fan here ! If the Astros admitted they cheated then how the hell we're they still able to keep the trophy instead of having it stripped from them.. The Yankees we're cheated and it's not fair that a team gets credited for cheating..The Yankees we're supposed to be in the World Series that year.
Clown behavior. Cashman has the WS right in front of him, and he wants to talk about the Astros? That's just pathetic. Is this to help soften the blow when they lose this year as well?
You can’t say they would have or wouldn’t have but the Astros pitching was impacted by a wild card bye, maybe Alds goes to 5 games, momentum matters, etc. the cheating most directly affected the offense but it affects the team as a whole too
Had MLB discovered the cheating during the series, it would have led to suspensions at the very least. That alone could have turned the tide of the series. The bottom line is in baseball, the outcome is binary. Once a team cheats, they have forfeited their right to victory
Cash is right though i listened to those guys on WFAN their saying Cash should forget about that cheating scandal and give credit to this current Yankees team because the focus should be on that.
On one hand, I totally understand Cashman‘s sentiment. On the other, Brian Cashman also was the one who put his World Series ring from 2009 on the table in front of him in front of all the reporters when a rod retired . And said “ we don’t have championship if it’s not for Alex.” OK, did a steroid it up Alex Rodriguez not hit the Yankees to that very same title? Was that not cheating? We can’t be throwing stones in glass houses
Don sounds absolutely ridiculous. What if Pete Rose never bet? Does that change the fact that he did? Spygate happened but it wasn’t in the fxcking playoffs. Not comparable at all. The only comparison that makes sense is the 19 Black Sox & we see what happened to them. Rare L take by Don
Fans forget that the Astros hardly hit in the five games as well and Tanaka and Chapman woudlnt have given up those runs and they would have won one of those games in Houston before winning at home and win in less games which they were better at. Michael is such a Yankee stooge as Hal didnt want Verlander because of the Luxury Tax and Cashman could have got Cole yet he horded his prospects and yes Altuv didnt listen to signs, yet he led the league in runs and thats from other players hitting him to Homeplate. He shoudlnt complain yet we act like the Astros hit in the Yankee Stadium which they couldn't yet time to move on let history sway what they want. Yanks dont beat that Tigers team in three games.
This is a sad old man that can’t get over the past. I’m a Yankees fan and I don’t like it either. But you gotta come on. Grow up. They got caught and punished I guess. But regardless we’re caught. That should’ve been what was important. Does Cashman forget he got ALEX RODRIGUEZ THE BIGGEST CHEAT EVER/??? Come on Cashman you’re a 🤡
Why is it always Arod who’s the poster boy for the steroid use? He was arguably the best prospect ever coming out of high school. Boston’s Big Sloppy is just as guilty yet he always gets a pass. He was a scrub on the Twins before he started shooting up his fat ass.
Cashman got triggered cuz people were saying they wouldn’t be here if they had to go thru Houston… and that their path was cake. Doesn’t take much for him to get shook! He said some ish about Doc already too. Hilarious. If anyone should be butthurt it’s LA but you gotta move TF on cuz that’s embarrassing. He probably has other stuff more productive to focus on. 💀💀💀💀
As a lifelong Yankees fan, even I can admit that the Astros were just a better team that year (and still are). We couldn’t hit. Doesn’t matter what signs were stolen, our guys just weren’t scoring. Can’t win with 0 runs. Fast forward to now, and we got lucky that we didn’t have to face the Astros again this year or we’d be out already. They’re our kryptonite. Altuve is the best second baseman in the past 20 years.
Don comparing cheating at cards to cheating in baseball just goes to show you what a moron he really is. Cards is a game of chance. Baseball is not. The creame always rises to the top.
The Astros were one of the best dynasties in baseball history. I don't care if they cheated, they still have the banners. It only is cheating if you get caught in the moment.
Sore losers. If you attribute all Astros wins to their cheating in 2017 the Yankees would not have been playing the Astros in the playoffs that year. Prior to the Houston Astros defeating the Yankees they defeated the Boston Red Sox who finished ahead of the Yankees. The Astros may have done the Yankees a favor by “cheating” the Red Sox that year.
MLB did an investigation and they found out they did cheat... disgusting how the cowardly commissioner did NOTHING to that franchise...
Lol,so did the Yankees!!
When did the Yankees cheat? If they did, was it in the playoffs?
Can’t expect the Yankees to win by only scoring 3 runs combined in the 4 games at Houston. Astros were cheating on offense, not defense
I hope none of those Astro's maker the hall of fame. Its worse than anything Pete Rose did.
all those guys are losers. I dont even recognize them.
Agreed. Those Weak MF’s
A rare moment where cashman said something completely sensible.
Completely agree with cashman. I think it's very clear that since the team that beat them in the series to advance to the world series cheated, that cashman should not be shamed for not getting the Yankees to the world series in that year.
Guys, the Astro hit the game-winning HR in the bottom of the ninth in Game 7 BECAUSE HE WAS WEARING A BUZZER. What r u smoking?
“Dont take my uniform off” manfred makes goddell look like a saint.
lol,never proven,and Astros SWEPT you in 22,now go get your shine box for your daddy Altuve!!
@@joelgarcia6534I guess Barry bonds should be the in hall of fame then
@@HeadShotKilla10 bingo. Well said. Yes 2019 was never proven. They shouldnt be in the HOF. Guys who could of been easy HOF caliber players & threw it away.
What is the matter with you Don! You would be up in arms if they cheated the Mets. Yanks would have went to at least one of those world series. He's not saying they would have won a world series.
yankees had steroided users on the team...
@newjerseyan who on the 2017 and 2019 teams?
They all cheat. It’s as simple as watching the game on one of the iPads. Now you can see the pitcher tipping from the second base view
@@MisterTomcat see? You don’t even think it’s cheating
@Stacey_-bf2mb i have no idea what you are insinuating
Kay is spot on here. Letting the Astros continually acquire Verlander, Cole, even to some extent Greinke is what cost the Yankees a championship.
What happened to all those assets we hung onto instead of making those trades
@@Subo23they all dried up and turned out to be busts.. Clint Frazier, Miguel Andujar, Andrew Velasquez and many more and then some were traded for nothing Sonny Gray etc
The astros didn’t have their title taken away because EVERYONE CHEATED. THEY STILL DO. REMEMBER GAME 3 OF THE ALCS?
I've never been a fan of Don's logic with stuff like this. The yankees couldn't hint is true, but neither could the astros. The only games, the astros won in that year was under home turf, where they were able to cheat like crazy.
Where did the 22 sweep end?? NY
@@joelgarcia6534 No one is talking about 2022, this is solely about 2017. The Astros completely dominated the Yankees in 2022 and were the far superior team. In regard to 2017, that is up for debate with the cheating scandal. Unfortunately, nothing anyone can do about it now. So it is best to just move on.
Cashman never said they would have gone to the World Series, he said they were cheated and that is undeniable. Offense has nothing to do with being cheated. Don is WRONG. It’s not playing a game to say you were cheated when a team admits to cheating. They may not have gone to the game 7 if not for the cheating so you can’t start parsing offense and pitching and reasons why they lost. They were cheated… that’s it.
Brian Cashman wants to divert your attention to one year to cover up for not getting his team back to the World Series. He’s using the Astros to cover up his screw ups.
We’re here. Too bad you got knocked out by Detroit. Skubal’s nice isnt he.
Having PED guys in an era where literally every team had PED guys needs to stop being brought up as if it is similar to a team wide cheating system that the opponent has no chance to counter. Never mind the fact that, while PEDs obviously give players an advantage, I guarantee you that every person that used them would have had better numbers if, instead of using PEDs, they just knew what pitch was coming.
Stupid comparison, please stop making it.
So the Yankees never cheated? They weren’t fined by MLB for using illicit electronic devices in 2015 and 2016? Or is that a stupid comparison too?
Yes the Yankees couldn't hit, but that doesn't dismiss that they were cheated. Maybe the Astros would have hit worse than them without the cheating. Yes we don't know for sure, but we do know 1 team was caught cheating. If both teams knew what pitch was coming then Yankees probably could have hit better as well.
We are talking about a 7 game series. Where any advantage could have been the difference. There is more pressure at every at bat for the team that doesn't know what pitch is coming.
Why nobody say anything about the red sox from 2018 ? And nobody say anything about those letters that came out years ago about the yankees and dodgers did the same thing? Even in the old days, teams used morse code and binoculars to steal signs
Is called hypocrisy. Everyone wants to point their self righteous finger at the Astros. Yankees did it in 2015 and parts of 2016. Red Sox did shady things in 2018. Let’s put our mental asterisks next to those teams. BTW. I’m a lifelong RS fan.
@@justadude2800 man the red Sox in 2018 were a great team ok they cheated so? They were a great team, I am an Astros fan since 1999 and when the red Sox beat them I was like dude this team is good, and when the news came that the red Sox cheated and I did not care to be honest
@@DanielBenavides-uh4zeyeah they were a juggernaut. But it did kind of detract from the accomplishment. I just get tired of the cheating accusations going around. Sorry, but I’m not gonna listen to a Yankee fan whine about cheating. Dude, they were fined for it! Look it up. My friend is a Yankee fan. When I bring it up he says “ yeah but they didn’t win the WS in 2015 or 2016”. Oh I see so it’s only “cheating” if the team wins a WS? Sorry, but I’m not buying it. With all due respect to you, I never understood why Astro fans put up with Yankees holier than thou attitude. Cashman whining about it is gold. And listen to Michael Kay at the 1:00 mark: “Astros were the only team that were caught cheating”. That’s wrong.
@@justadude2800 yes my boy you are totally right, I really like your opinion and yes I don't like to listen to a Yankee neither a dodger fan whining about it
i don't view it as excuses because that's exactly what happened we were cheated out of going to a WS and competing for one that's where Cash is coming from.
Yankees cheated too
The Astros all belong in the Hall of Shame
Keep crying,the 4 beat downs stand!!
Little League teams lost at Williamsport when the Bronx team used a 15-yr-old pitcher, and when the Taiwan teams used players from different cities instead of the small area required by LL rules. The teams that lost have every right to attribute their losses to dishonest competition. The Astros went out of their way to give themselves an unfair competitive advantage. Every team they beat has a right to remind the world that Houston's '17 trophy is tainted.
The team from Bronx lost the US final before they found out about the cheating.
It baffles me how alright baseball people are with cheating.
I'm of the belief that Verlander and the pitching staff were up to no good also. They just didn't get caught. The Yankees beat the brakes off of them in the Bronx, series goes back to Houston and all of the sudden they dominate?
Cashman should've just stayed quiet instead of talking that nonsense and sound that weak and pathetic. Go Yanks
The Astros spanked you’ll in 15,17,19 and 22,GOH losers!!! Who’s your daddy??
Astros organization is the Bernie madoff of baseball
The crazy things is in that 2017 alcs yankees were up 3-2 one win a way to go to the World Series and they failed !
100% excuse making. NYY threw Game 7 in 2017. Mike and Don are the only accountable NYY analysts.
2015, 2017, 2019 and 2022 (Sweep). The Astros is the Yankees daddy
You guys couldn’t even make it to the Yankees this year
No team with 1 legit championship is the Yankees daddy
@@jimboscooter432 if that makes you feel better, my friend
@@sinfultugboat6051 Very true but that does not change the fact that they have ended their season on 4 different occasions.
Astros are the butt hole of the MLB , everyone is going to pick on you and you stink 😂😂
According to Cashman the 2009 Yankees title doesn’t count because they won with A-Rod and Pettite
This is a foolish comparison. A team wide cheating system that lets them know literally what pitch is coming is not comparable to individual.
players cheating. Also, there's zero actual.evidence either of them used PEDs in 2009, we know for a fact the Astros cheated.
Were A Rod and Pettite cheating in 09?
Keep talking shit child
Did AROD and Petite known what was coming with a camera system and a garbage can?
@@jimboscooter432Arod definitely was yes and he got busted 2 different times.
Mets fan here ! If the Astros admitted they cheated then how the hell we're they still able to keep the trophy instead of having it stripped from them.. The Yankees we're cheated and it's not fair that a team gets credited for cheating..The Yankees we're supposed to be in the World Series that year.
They cheated period you lose automatically!!!!
Clown behavior. Cashman has the WS right in front of him, and he wants to talk about the Astros? That's just pathetic. Is this to help soften the blow when they lose this year as well?
You can’t say they would have or wouldn’t have but the Astros pitching was impacted by a wild card bye, maybe Alds goes to 5 games, momentum matters, etc. the cheating most directly affected the offense but it affects the team as a whole too
Bang bang bzzz bzzz 😂
Roided up Wanks!!
Had MLB discovered the cheating during the series, it would have led to suspensions at the very least. That alone could have turned the tide of the series. The bottom line is in baseball, the outcome is binary. Once a team cheats, they have forfeited their right to victory
Cash is right though i listened to those guys on WFAN their saying Cash should forget about that cheating scandal and give credit to this current Yankees team because the focus should be on that.
On one hand, I totally understand Cashman‘s sentiment.
On the other, Brian Cashman also was the one who put his World Series ring from 2009 on the table in front of him in front of all the reporters when a rod retired . And said “ we don’t have championship if it’s not for Alex.”
OK, did a steroid it up Alex Rodriguez not hit the Yankees to that very same title? Was that not cheating? We can’t be throwing stones in glass houses
Don sounds absolutely ridiculous.
What if Pete Rose never bet? Does that change the fact that he did?
Spygate happened but it wasn’t in the fxcking playoffs. Not comparable at all. The only comparison that makes sense is the 19 Black Sox & we see what happened to them. Rare L take by Don
Fans forget that the Astros hardly hit in the five games as well and Tanaka and Chapman woudlnt have given up those runs and they would have won one of those games in Houston before winning at home and win in less games which they were better at. Michael is such a Yankee stooge as Hal didnt want Verlander because of the Luxury Tax and Cashman could have got Cole yet he horded his prospects and yes Altuv didnt listen to signs, yet he led the league in runs and thats from other players hitting him to Homeplate. He shoudlnt complain yet we act like the Astros hit in the Yankee Stadium which they couldn't yet time to move on let history sway what they want. Yanks dont beat that Tigers team in three games.
This is a sad old man that can’t get over the past. I’m a Yankees fan and I don’t like it either. But you gotta come on. Grow up. They got caught and punished I guess. But regardless we’re caught. That should’ve been what was important. Does Cashman forget he got ALEX RODRIGUEZ THE BIGGEST CHEAT EVER/??? Come on Cashman you’re a 🤡
Was ARod the only comfirmed Steroid User?
Manny tested positive as well. @@Smallpapsz
Why is it always Arod who’s the poster boy for the steroid use? He was arguably the best prospect ever coming out of high school. Boston’s Big Sloppy is just as guilty yet he always gets a pass. He was a scrub on the Twins before he started shooting up his fat ass.
How is this excuse making? its a fact they cheated. You dont think Judge and the whole 2017 team doesnt feel hard done by? You guys are mad
Cashman seems to be one thin skinned dude
Cashman got triggered cuz people were saying they wouldn’t be here if they had to go thru Houston… and that their path was cake. Doesn’t take much for him to get shook! He said some ish about Doc already too. Hilarious.
If anyone should be butthurt it’s LA but you gotta move TF on cuz that’s embarrassing. He probably has other stuff more productive to focus on. 💀💀💀💀
As a lifelong Yankees fan, even I can admit that the Astros were just a better team that year (and still are). We couldn’t hit. Doesn’t matter what signs were stolen, our guys just weren’t scoring. Can’t win with 0 runs. Fast forward to now, and we got lucky that we didn’t have to face the Astros again this year or we’d be out already. They’re our kryptonite. Altuve is the best second baseman in the past 20 years.
Brian desperate
Still looking to the past
Sad he needs to do this
Don comparing cheating at cards to cheating in baseball just goes to show you what a moron he really is. Cards is a game of chance. Baseball is not. The creame always rises to the top.
Embarrassing that Brian is still.on this smh
They cheated offensive not defensively
The Astros were one of the best dynasties in baseball history. I don't care if they cheated, they still have the banners. It only is cheating if you get caught in the moment.
Do you know how stupid you sound they were caught in the moment that’s how they got punished are you stupid? Are you slow? Which one?
Sore losers. If you attribute all Astros wins to their cheating in 2017 the Yankees would not have been playing the Astros in the playoffs that year. Prior to the Houston Astros defeating the Yankees they defeated the Boston Red Sox who finished ahead of the Yankees. The Astros may have done the Yankees a favor by “cheating” the Red Sox that year.
Cashman cheating with a mistress
your wife?
2017 went to a game 7 Don, you clown. Of course the Yankees win if Houston doesn't cheat.