Illinois Adventure # 1308 "Cahokia Mounds"

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  • @alitlweird
    @alitlweird 4 роки тому +496

    I grew up in Illinois. 1972-1996. I didn’t find out about these mounds until two minutes ago on the UA-cam’s.
    (Jan 2020)

    • @Gordesm
      @Gordesm 4 роки тому +46

      Did you know the rest of the world has no education on indigenous native Americans. I wonder why they aren't taught about us in school ?

    • @godsgrace7777
      @godsgrace7777 4 роки тому +27

      They are far older than what we are being told, many of them 12k+ years old--later re-purposed by subsequent peoples. Hancock has mentioned this several times and is confirmed in Indian tradition and legends. There has even been recent scientific evidence to confirm this as well that has been dated to that time period. A great book I recommend is: The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America: The Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian Cover-Up by Dewhurst. And of course all of Graham Hancock's works with the caveat that you don't believe everything he states, especially the spiritually and physically dangerous Ayahuasca usage he recommends.

    • @godsgrace7777
      @godsgrace7777 4 роки тому +7

      @Oftin Wong Are you kidding me, your comment doesn't make any sense, and doesn't even apply to what I stated. There is way more evidence than that, that is merely one of the latest articles, one of thousands of pieces of evidence that corroborate with its findings--thousands upon thousands. You must be trying to cover it up like academia or you are far too ignorant to be making a comment about it. Peer review is a system that was created to eliminate truth--these people are brainwashed by the universities and become zombified parrots regurgitating only what they have been taught, which is mostly lies. If you don't know that by now you have a lot of learning to do about what is going on. There is an ongoing documented cover-up 100% proven that has been going on for over a hundred years by the Smithsonian and academian gatekeepers--the peer-reviewers you so adore. Again, I recommend that you read Dewhurst's book The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America--he will clue you in to reality and wake you up from your stupor that your are currently in. All of Graham Hancock's works are mandatory as well for your education and he will tell you the same thing I'm telling you now.

    • @keyskeyss1254
      @keyskeyss1254 4 роки тому +1

      I've been wondering how every where else got pyramids. I see why cause they call the mound's

    • @keyskeyss1254
      @keyskeyss1254 4 роки тому +1

      Well thank you because the only pyramid is in Memphis so I kind of felt like we should have some also. Knowing this is exciting and hope to hear about lost treasures.

  • @jaydubau8755
    @jaydubau8755 3 роки тому +79

    It's crazy not a word of this is taught in our public history classes. Wow!

    • @brandonalessini3713
      @brandonalessini3713 Рік тому +10

      I'm teaching this right now.
      -a public school history teacher

    • @Mary95191
      @Mary95191 Рік тому +1

      It’s wrong, just like many actual lies we were taught.

    • @Mary95191
      @Mary95191 Рік тому

      @@brandonalessini3713. Good for you!!!

    • @junebrilly5302
      @junebrilly5302 Рік тому

      ​@krissiebelhamri1459 Applause! Well Said! I grew up in Ilinois, anything I learned about the First Americans my European Ancestor robbed from I.had to search diligently for outside mainstream education

    • @michaelfisher7170
      @michaelfisher7170 5 місяців тому +1

      you missed something. I learned about Cahokia in fifth grade. I remember because the pictures of the place excited me and I went and found a book on it. lol.

  • @bbyskittles91
    @bbyskittles91 7 років тому +181

    Its crazy that as many times as Ive been here as a child, I didnt quite understand the magnitude of it. I dont think anyone who lives here does.

    • @dhare07
      @dhare07 5 років тому +24

      Because they were all enslaved or killed by the Ger-man. This is our shit they stole and good from us. The people of this land we're documented as having copper colored skin or black. Many different hair textures as well. Question is why hide it? Answer is they'd have to pay more than just reparations. They'd have to leave.

    • @jeffjohnson1413
      @jeffjohnson1413 5 років тому +2

      cool

    • @robertayoder2063
      @robertayoder2063 5 років тому +2

      Probably dont most think Indians from couple hundred years ago

    • @vonindigenous9722
      @vonindigenous9722 5 років тому +8

      Yeah it’s for certain that this is our culture and we were here before Columbus copper is a brownish red and the so called “african American” is a brown with a red undertone and during the early 1900’s we had the copper romances with us on the cover

    • @bobsworld2351
      @bobsworld2351 5 років тому +8

      @Mike Jones These were invaders, The giants were first!

  • @aol11
    @aol11 4 роки тому +64

    "Newly refurbished stairs"
    Translation --that's where we found the chiefs tomb with the huge gold treasure and didn't tell anyone.

    • @darththunderstorm6331
      @darththunderstorm6331 3 роки тому +1

      Lmao

    • @chrispile3878
      @chrispile3878 3 роки тому +7

      It was wooden when I visited. Now it's concrete.

    • @aol11
      @aol11 3 роки тому +1

      @@chrispile3878 interesting

    • @debbiecooper3661
      @debbiecooper3661 3 роки тому +3

      What happened to the city of gold the Ancient Covenant people built For God.

    • @stephenlitten1789
      @stephenlitten1789 3 роки тому +3

      @@debbiecooper3661 The Mormons stole it

  • @SRSOS
    @SRSOS 5 років тому +33

    Cahokia was not just the settlement around the mound. It spread out all over the so-called American Bottoms as well as across the river in St. Louis. The whole of downtown St. Louis was covered in large mounds. All removed now except for one, which is back in the hands of the local NDN tribes. I grew up five miles south of the Mound and there is a huge buried village that was part of "Cahokia" under my old neighborhood there, still unmarked and never excavated archaeologically.

    • @captainfanta8641
      @captainfanta8641 Рік тому +6

      I live in Oregon, the Willamette Valley has mounds as well. At one point in time prior to the farmers plowing the down, digging them up. I have heard there were about 300 mounds along the Calapoia River, and some along the Long Tom River. All of this was considered Kalapuya territory. Their is a old story from the settler days of the last one being made. Also it was said that before the trees took over. One of the mounds could be seen when looking at spirit Mt. On the Grand Ronde Resevation.
      Have no idea if there is a connection. Just tossing the info out there for people to ponder.
      Cahokia is a place I do want to visit, along with Spirit Mound.

    • @okiesoul101
      @okiesoul101 Рік тому +1

      ​@@captainfanta8641WOW
      That's Kool.
      I lived in Shady Cove for a year. I would love to have known about those mounds.❤
      Now I have to go back.
      LoL
      Great info

    • @johnlombardo7816
      @johnlombardo7816 11 місяців тому +1

      who removed them the tribe or govt? I have heard that there could have been giants or the likes buried in them, wondering who decided to take the risk as i also have heard to dig them up is seriously a "dangerous" feat with potential spirits inside etc.. any more info or pointing me toward where I can find info is appreciated, this is fascinating, especially because we were never taught anything about this seemingly magical place!

    • @chesterfieldthe3rd929
      @chesterfieldthe3rd929 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@johnlombardo7816 mounds of Wisconsin had giant bones that were seen by tons of people and in newspapers. Then they went to the Smithsonian 😂😂😂😂They Gone!!!!

    • @TransKidRevolution
      @TransKidRevolution 8 місяців тому

      Giants? Evil spirits? 😂😂😂
      Are you ok big guy?

  • @randyclaywell1491
    @randyclaywell1491 6 років тому +299

    If they had no written languge how do they know that the leader was called "The Brother of the Sun"?

    • @cholos17
      @cholos17 6 років тому +78

      The Spanish encountered them when Hernando de Soto cut throught the southeast in 1541. The Spanish wrote info down about them.

    • @seanmichaels8060
      @seanmichaels8060 6 років тому +48

      Oral tradition. The Native Americans have legends.

    • @NPC-et9ik
      @NPC-et9ik 5 років тому +46

      Oral history is highly reliable.

    • @NPC-et9ik
      @NPC-et9ik 5 років тому +12

      @Johnny Doeboy correct.

    • @richardheinen1126
      @richardheinen1126 5 років тому +43

      If you go there all you’ll hear is “maybe....”
      “we think....”
      “there might have been....”
      “It’s possible....”
      It’s a cool place but, it is a big mystery today.

  • @graverob871
    @graverob871 4 роки тому +103

    I live about 10 miles from Cahokia, I go there often. It is an amazing place.

    • @johnaiken8511
      @johnaiken8511 3 роки тому +3

      Just wait till various native tribes decide they are going to forcibly prevent peoples from visiting these areas , like they do at the serpent mound. Even though its a public site with the ohio historical society.

    • @TsurfBangz
      @TsurfBangz 3 роки тому

      @@johnaiken8511 I hope your not referring to what happened last year, if so..

    • @Petrov3434
      @Petrov3434 3 роки тому +4

      Pls ignore silly comments

    • @jonbrockman5308
      @jonbrockman5308 3 роки тому +13

      Serpent mound is a "public" site?
      It BELONGS to the native American tribe that built it. Along with the ENTIRETY of this COUNTRY. This land was stolen. Period!

    • @TsurfBangz
      @TsurfBangz 3 роки тому +7

      @@jonbrockman5308 and before we stole it, it was stolen by other natives who raped, murdered, etc.. what’s your point?

  • @jzak5723
    @jzak5723 3 роки тому +24

    I visited many years ago, and was totally amazed at the magnitude of what that civilization did. The on site museum was astounding too.

  • @janicerobinson5286
    @janicerobinson5286 3 роки тому +28

    Thank you for this video. I lived just 8 miles from Cahokia Mounds from 1951-1982. This area gave me a deep-set love for discovery, archeology, and art. My heart would flutter when I set my feet on this land. (I became a high school art teacher for 9 years.)I’m now thrilled that so much more information about this mysterious place has been revealed. Part of my art making today is rooted in my experience from wandering these mounds. Keep exploring ! ❤️😘

  • @deadredeyes
    @deadredeyes 3 роки тому +36

    5:51 "The population worked to support the elite class. Commoners would spend their lives in the fields or in the burrow pits while the fruits of their labor were enjoyed by the hierarchy." A tale as old as time.

    • @pacocarlos3994
      @pacocarlos3994 2 роки тому

      It seizes to amaze me how stupid people are to believe b.s. and it's so obvious north America had natives that had no written language, no mathematics, no astronomy but get to Mexico to South America and their is pyramids, structures, mathematics, astronomy, agriculture, gold, copper, silver etc...a huge difference between these Europeans from the north with lies and the Spanish in Mexico and South America that didn't lie

    • @berthaday3473
      @berthaday3473 Рік тому

      Absolutely NO different from classes today...

    • @EyeForKnowledge.
      @EyeForKnowledge. Рік тому +1

      @@berthaday3473 Yup. Coming soon to a nation near your hunger games here we come.

  • @FromTheHeart-777
    @FromTheHeart-777 3 роки тому +101

    There are many places like this across the Americas. Like I've always said, while in school we learn His-Story, after school, we spend a lifetime learning the truth that was buried or destroyed.

    • @mrbacon1
      @mrbacon1 3 роки тому +3

      True facts they don't understand that they are studying his story not the truth it's so much lies learned that it has become the truth and the truth becomes the lies

    • @mrbacon1
      @mrbacon1 3 роки тому +5

      The weak cannot comprehend with this s***the Lost cannot comprehend with this s***because a lie is the truth to them because they lie makes the weak and the Lost feel secure which doesn't prepare them for anything like the truth receive lies and be unprepared or receive truth and be prepared

    • @mrbacon1
      @mrbacon1 3 роки тому

      They ain't built for this s*** I've been telling people to look up the New York area map at night on their phones my Knockswasn't answered if you decide to look it up flipped the map upside down and you will find out why everything we do is a setup

    • @prestonransome5362
      @prestonransome5362 3 роки тому +1

      We tried to keep women barefoot, pregnant and ignorant but you feminists were too smart for us. Curses!

    • @FromTheHeart-777
      @FromTheHeart-777 3 роки тому +2

      @@prestonransome5362 I was too young for that era lol. I was a young child. Most women will stay home and have children. But there is one condition, she has to feel safe and that she can depend on the man she is with. At least most decent empathetic women feel that way. I would have just started a business from home lol Love your comment. It made me laugh. Ignorant huh hahaha

  • @sunflowerheather7019
    @sunflowerheather7019 3 роки тому +27

    The text book, “ native Americans before 1942,” is an excellent source on this topic. It focuses on the eastern woodlands.

  • @scottchenault480
    @scottchenault480 3 роки тому +10

    I live nearby and can say it’s an incredible place to visit. The museum is world-class. I highly encourage all visitors to see the short audio visual presentation in the theater first. It’s extremely well done and there’s a really neat kind of surprise ending. Resist the urge to wander into the exhibit area while waiting for the next show. It makes the experience so much better and memorable if you do. Perhaps visit the gift shop first. I promise you’ll be glad you waited. It’s really cool.

  • @oxo010
    @oxo010 4 роки тому +44

    "Somehow the Mississippian culture had developed the knowledge of how to raise this prolific crop in large fields".
    "Somehow"? As if this is surprising? A complex culture, a city of 20,000, and he's surprised that they figured out how to cultivate corn?

    • @RogueReplicant
      @RogueReplicant 4 роки тому +2

      Well, corn is supposed to originate thousands of years ago from a single agricultural center: Mexico. If the Mississippi culture independently figured out how to cultivate it, then it certainly is a great achievement, maybe that's what he means.

    • @RogueReplicant
      @RogueReplicant 4 роки тому +2

      @Klaa2 Which remark in specific, Einstein?

    • @5thgen691
      @5thgen691 4 роки тому +2

      @@RogueReplicant yup in mexico about 7,400 years ago

    • @prestonransome5362
      @prestonransome5362 4 роки тому +3

      They figured out how to cultivate corn. Then they got a complex culture and a city of 20k.

    • @oxo010
      @oxo010 4 роки тому +3

      @@prestonransome5362 Yes, I expect that it happened in that order.

  • @oskarblonde1
    @oskarblonde1 Рік тому +7

    I'm from México but I love the native history and I'm very impressed by how advance Cahokia people was.

    • @oppastoppa9786
      @oppastoppa9786 10 місяців тому

      You realize the entire continent at one point was one single location, not these fictional borders created by the white man. We’re all one people.

    • @TransKidRevolution
      @TransKidRevolution 8 місяців тому +1

      Adjust your meds oppa.

  • @johnpaulmakowski7464
    @johnpaulmakowski7464 4 роки тому +7

    I too grew up in Illinois and had no knowledge of Cahokia until I served in the IL Air National Guard at Scott Air force base 2001 to 2007. I visited Cahokia once in 03. I will visit again soon.

  • @alcosteam
    @alcosteam 4 роки тому +9

    There used to be a camp ground at Cahokia mounds just south of the old highway that intersected the mound site. Not that it was hurting anything but the enlightened powers saw to it that the camp ground was closed and removed. We as young kids got to explore all around the site and visit the original visitors centers many times. Being on site and learning first hand beats any classroom or internet site.

  • @AirborneAnt
    @AirborneAnt 4 роки тому +13

    The “Woodhenge” is fascinating, the “12” is for the constellations at night, and the bigger circles could mean they are from a time much older than we give credit to...

  • @TheVuduYuDu
    @TheVuduYuDu 3 роки тому +9

    Goodness, I hope the State of Illinois puts money in the budget to update this series. It was a great series with a good mission but really needs to be redone to incorporate new information or revisions.

  • @ladyvalhalla7154
    @ladyvalhalla7154 6 років тому +12

    My friend and I camped out there in the early 70's. Lots of mosquitos there. Did not know I was sleeping on a burial site.

  • @jewelciappio
    @jewelciappio 8 років тому +249

    "The fruits of their labor were enjoyed by the hierarchy." Sounds like nothing has changed. Lol.

    • @Doomlaser
      @Doomlaser 6 років тому +9

      You can't' have a complex society without some form of it.

    • @yarmo28
      @yarmo28 6 років тому +12

      Have you visited Iceland, Scandinavia? Complex societies can exist and thrive when the People receive more of the benefits of their labor. After WW 2, in the 1950's and 1960's, that is just what happened in the USA. Unfortunately, those who run the circus have decided that the lower classes don't really need as much as the rich classes do.

    • @maxwellrichter441
      @maxwellrichter441 6 років тому +7

      That part is likely false, mainstream will tell you it was for "elites" because they want to program your mind to believe in a hierarchy and to worship the "elite". They recently discovered the Egyptian pyramids weren't tombs for pharaohs, but giant energy generating structures. I'm sure the purpose for these large mounds had nothing to do with class structures.

    • @TechTrailblazer4
      @TechTrailblazer4 5 років тому +3

      Its a lie thats why.

    • @citym3300
      @citym3300 5 років тому +2

      That’s a lie most likely

  • @MarketWhale7
    @MarketWhale7 4 роки тому +16

    The mounds was also so they can see the enemies coming from the distance

    • @Worldofourown2024
      @Worldofourown2024 3 роки тому

      Monks Mound allows one to see 10 miles and you can see the city and arch well from where the king sat and lived. I guess since he was the big boss, he also gave orders on everything and controlled everything like war narratives and housing for regular too. Like us in the modern era, they too came up short despite all that open space and resources here in America. greed and psychopathy destroys each and every time a civilization matures.

  • @cindyroll5164
    @cindyroll5164 6 років тому +43

    I grew up here, I played here, I climbed Monks Mound, it is awesome the wind blows through you, it is a holy place.

    • @rocky20192
      @rocky20192 6 років тому

      where is this at

    • @seanmichaels8060
      @seanmichaels8060 6 років тому

      I'm not from Illinois but it's awesome to think that Illinois used to be the most populated state a thousand years ago before it was even a state.

    • @slappy8941
      @slappy8941 5 років тому +4

      A holy place where a manipulative elite class used their knowledge of seasonal cycles to control and enslave their own people? Yeah, that sounds holy as fuck.

    • @theuniversedoesntcare
      @theuniversedoesntcare 5 років тому

      @Johnny Doeboy _Legends never lie._

    • @prestonransome5362
      @prestonransome5362 5 років тому +2

      @Johnny Doeboy Chill out, man. Those are educated guesses based on certain clues in the ground. The idea that the elites occupied the higher parts is reasonable. As is the idea of restricted access. Try strolling up to Barbara Streisand's mansion today.

  • @coryspang7548
    @coryspang7548 4 роки тому +7

    Found this while studying for my College class. Great Video

    • @jclaer
      @jclaer 3 роки тому

      I wonder how old this video is?

  • @brandischacke4342
    @brandischacke4342 10 років тому +12

    I really enjoyed all the information I am definitely taking a trip with my kids this Summer. I'll be a nice drive taking the route 66 from Chicago....

    • @EJO_VZN
      @EJO_VZN 10 років тому +1

      Also from Chicago! How was your visit? I went when I was very young, and would like to go again this summer =)

    • @tjn2254
      @tjn2254 7 років тому +5

      Stop at cozy dog in Springfield on rt 66 they invented corndogs

    • @CrookCountySoftwear
      @CrookCountySoftwear 6 років тому

      Its been 4 years! have you gone yet. :)

  • @rajaiiccarlisle7672
    @rajaiiccarlisle7672 3 роки тому +5

    I ve been in plenty hidden woods and ancient parks in the state of ga and I must say the feeling of ageless rest is heavily apon those areas...it is a very pleasant experience....

  • @alonzoright8941
    @alonzoright8941 4 роки тому +33

    What he is not telling us is that these where giant buried in these tomb's!

    • @oneg1970
      @oneg1970 3 роки тому +7

      There are old news articles about that. I was wondering if they were going to mention that fact prior to watching this.

    • @briangrignon8799
      @briangrignon8799 3 роки тому +9

      During the early 1900's there has been hundreds of giants dug up and sent to Smithsonian. Then never spoke of again.

    • @sigmacassandra4365
      @sigmacassandra4365 3 роки тому +1

      Any sources? :x

    • @oneg1970
      @oneg1970 3 роки тому +1

      @@sigmacassandra4365 Yeah. Hold on.

    • @oneg1970
      @oneg1970 3 роки тому +1

      @@sigmacassandra4365 ua-cam.com/video/mR5i0lI3xrw/v-deo.html. I think this is one that covers this subject

  • @jms6605
    @jms6605 4 роки тому +48

    There had to be contact with Mesoamerican cultures, very similar layout.

    • @davidgough3512
      @davidgough3512 4 роки тому +11

      And the maize that had to come from Mexico, where it was originally bred in Oaxaca

    • @Kamikazebat3923
      @Kamikazebat3923 4 роки тому +9

      They had. The Poton , Chontal, Yokotan Mayans. Miami derives from Mayaimi.
      Thus why they tried to eradicate this part of history so there would be no trail proving this.
      I knew this from elders.

    • @700gsteak
      @700gsteak 4 роки тому

      Seems like a group of Mesoamericans moved north rather than native americans living differently since the mesoamericans were settled people while native americans were nomadic and this wasn;t widespread in the north.

    • @robchasing3140
      @robchasing3140 4 роки тому +1

      I think it was more diffusion based rather than mesoamericans themselves

    • @OTW18
      @OTW18 4 роки тому +2

      700gsteak
      The Mayans moved Northward into the Mississippian Southeast. The remaining Mississippian peoples and the Iroquoian Ani’yunwi’ya mingled with the Mayan migrants producing the Mikasuki, I.e. Muskogee people.
      One thing is for certain. The Mayans must’ve been related to the numerous mound building cultures because of the way they built their structures, e.g. Meso-American pyramids and Hopewell Mounds.

  • @jasonowens4368
    @jasonowens4368 3 роки тому +15

    Sea shells from the gulf coast seems like pretty good evidence that they would have had contact with peoples from central America too me.

    • @shiverarts8284
      @shiverarts8284 3 роки тому +3

      They did, Navajo and peublos always use Mecaw feathers from central america, because of the vast trade routes that were very complex

    • @gregoryleblanc7938
      @gregoryleblanc7938 3 роки тому +4

      They had contact with all the other mound/ pyramid builders around the world that had the knowledge of the stars and progressions and built these aligned with the stars, sun, moon,etc. There are loads of history archeologist are not telling us.

    • @billhosko7723
      @billhosko7723 2 роки тому +1

      @@gregoryleblanc7938 They were in touch... 'around the world'... good grief.

    • @waynegretzky8464
      @waynegretzky8464 Рік тому +1

      Dude they clearly had boats back then. A little Chinese girl just sailed around the world by herself. Open your eyes it's not unbelievable to think this possible. And now you mention it, asian ppl's, eskimo ppl's, and also native american ppl's all have distinguishing looking traits.......... seems as if they did make a little "contact" back than 😉.

    • @liamgkelly
      @liamgkelly Рік тому

      @@shiverarts8284 that’s right. There was a burial ground accidentally dug up in the PNW that contained South American tobacco seeds even.

  • @zon3665
    @zon3665 2 роки тому +3

    The Woodhinge was set at 48 weeks - 48 poles. To account for the remaining 4 weeks of the year (52 weeks), the 5 circles with 12 months each (12 poles) accounts for the axial shift of the earth from the sun. The 5th circle adjusting for each 4 year leap year.

  • @rayfordhickman3087
    @rayfordhickman3087 3 роки тому +3

    I grew up in St. Clair county and never understood why Collinsville, IL ( where the mounds are actually located)wasn't named Cahokia? Cahokia, IL is a few miles southeast near the Mississippi river closer to downtown St Louis.

  • @classifiedinformation6353
    @classifiedinformation6353 4 роки тому +3

    I was fortunate to have been on a school field trip here in the early 1970's. this was long before the new interpretive center was built. As I recall, there were several mounds being restored to their proposed shape. I remember our guide saying new dirt of a different color was being used for repairs. The reason for dirt of a different color was to allow future archeologists to see where repairs were made. Many of the mounds had tall grass growing on them. I am looking forward to revisiting the improved site.

  • @dovbarleib3256
    @dovbarleib3256 4 роки тому +14

    Without a written language, it is difficult to know what everyday life was like.

  • @norbertfarrell4723
    @norbertfarrell4723 3 роки тому +4

    Jack Weatherford has 2 very good books about pre-Columbian American history. One is called "Indian Givers" and the other "Native Roots". Native
    people find the first title demeaning, but it isn't meant as the phrase Indian Givers is usually meant. It means that Indians did indeed give us much of
    what we have today. I highly recommend these books for any serious student of Native peoples and history.

  • @chrispile3878
    @chrispile3878 3 роки тому +3

    I've been there. It's a very interesting place. Spent the day there learning in the Center, and exploring the mounds a surrounding area. It was worth the visit.

  • @rasmokey4
    @rasmokey4 4 роки тому +6

    I visited there years ago! The artifacts
    Look pre-Aztec in design with like symbolic etchings!

  • @wranglerboi
    @wranglerboi 3 роки тому +4

    I'm currently reading a historical fiction novel called People of the River by Michael and Kathleen Gear. So encountering this video helps give "realism" to the novel--plus I have been to Cahokia several times. The novel is amazing because it expands on all the things mentioned in this video PLUS gives possible (maybe even likely) reasons why the area was eventually abandoned. One speculation used in the novel is that the climate was changing and becoming more arid. As a result food was becoming scarce, which resulted in a kind of "food riot" between neighboring sites. Also, a lot about the "religious" beliefs of the people is included, making for a fascinating read. Check it out. (By the way, I do not know nor am I related to the authors, so this is NOT intended to be a plug for the book.)

  • @ormandhook560
    @ormandhook560 3 роки тому +2

    Good presentation of this archeological evidence.

  • @davidbecker8227
    @davidbecker8227 Рік тому +2

    I work as a staff archeologist at SIU Edwardsville and was hired (along with a lot of other students) to do the site survey; when there was a campground and a drive-in theater where the plaza would have been.

  • @bobbywarren6583
    @bobbywarren6583 4 роки тому +5

    If there was no written language how did they come up with so much detailed information ?

  • @mocabey3308
    @mocabey3308 3 роки тому +24

    how did the Vikings "discover" the new world, if there were already well established societies that had been there for thousands of years?

    • @crowbarbitch996
      @crowbarbitch996 3 роки тому

      People like to say stupid things.

    • @cacatr4495
      @cacatr4495 3 роки тому +4

      There were people-groups that "discovered" the Americas and many other places far-flung, long before the Vikings.

    • @RickOnPlanetEarth
      @RickOnPlanetEarth 3 роки тому +6

      A person can discover something that has already been discovered. It is semantics. To that person, it's a new thing. Therefore, the Vikings found the new world for the first time for themselves, even though there were already people living in the new world. That doesn't change the fact that the Vikings discovered something. So let's stop complaining about semantics.

    • @suzandouglass5241
      @suzandouglass5241 3 роки тому

      at least he wasn't talking about Columbus

    • @simonjohnson1623
      @simonjohnson1623 2 роки тому +1

      They didn't. They just discovered new native Americans

  • @jonny_2_gnar
    @jonny_2_gnar 3 роки тому +4

    I loved learning about the "N. American Pyramids" (Mounds) back in school. We have a few here in Ohio, but they're made differently, and had a different function.

  • @michaelharrison2165
    @michaelharrison2165 3 роки тому +2

    Good presentation, thanks for airing it.
    Its ironic that people kept screwing around with Silbury Hill until it almost collapsed before they figured out a way to save it....yet here, they've built a huge concrete walkway up the side of this thing!
    Surprised its lasted this long!

  • @maryroberts9315
    @maryroberts9315 4 роки тому +2

    I’ve visited. It is really interesting and the interpretive center is excellent. It is a short drive from St Louis.

  • @ANTHONYWMITCHELL
    @ANTHONYWMITCHELL 6 років тому +23

    See my video about the mounds that were excavated in Thailand . There was a global civilization before

  • @juliomoraes8165
    @juliomoraes8165 3 роки тому +9

    Thanks and congrats for this very interesting video. I've been in Mexico and Guatemala many times and saw their huge pre-columbian monuments but never had heard about such big civilization in what is today the USA.

  • @MichaelKrick-tu8jk
    @MichaelKrick-tu8jk Рік тому +3

    I live in Ohio, I'm 76, this is on my bucket list, I want to go there this summer.

  • @elmaldeojo4466
    @elmaldeojo4466 2 роки тому +2

    I love this narrators style and sound. It reminds me of a lot of documentaries I watched as a kid.

  • @rh1507
    @rh1507 3 роки тому +1

    I have known of Cahokia Illinois for a long time. I don't think that I have ever been there. It is only 120 miles from my hometown in Marion. It would be nice to head back up there and to visit Cahokia some day.

  • @chubbjack158
    @chubbjack158 3 роки тому +2

    Hard to believe that it society who could accurately plot the movement of the sun, design a city that supported thousands, and built a perfectly symmetrical mound had no written language. That’s amazing! Also, is there an association of the five solar circles to the Olympic logo?

  • @anothermike4825
    @anothermike4825 3 роки тому +3

    Adding more vertical poles while increasing the overall size of the tree calendar was done to increase the accuracy of their calendar. That would be my guess, anyway.

  • @highjenks3d
    @highjenks3d 4 роки тому +3

    I think it was where they went when it flooded they made that 110ft high ground so, they survived they also probably stored most of their food and it wouldn't surprise me if they took ground penetrating radar and that might find some really interesting things, it's common out here in Comanche country to find burials in places that were the highest point in the area they were in

    • @CariMachet
      @CariMachet 3 роки тому +1

      Yes flooding was and still is an issue on the planet > especially next to not one giant river but where 2 giant rivers meet the Missouri and the Mississippi

  • @KyleGravesLive
    @KyleGravesLive 4 роки тому +7

    Arkansas has the Toltec mounds , I wonder if people from Illinois moved down here.?

    • @casegordon5055
      @casegordon5055 3 роки тому +1

      they where all over the country at the time millions and there is a written history but its hidden from us...

    • @prestonransome5362
      @prestonransome5362 3 роки тому

      @@casegordon5055 Who's hiding that and why? That said, Native Americans are very motivated to have all old skeletal remains classified as religious artifacts so they can't be studied. This is to cover up the fact that some skeletons are European and that, thus "Native American" includes European as well as Siberian people.
      The federal statute they lobbied for is something like "The Native American Antiquities Act."

    • @CoercedJab
      @CoercedJab 3 роки тому +1

      Preston Ransome oh you sweet summer child... don’t you realize how shallow the claim to a new world is when it’s actually a very old world with existing history and societies... but uh yeah trust the same establishment that lies about W.M.Ds

    • @TransKidRevolution
      @TransKidRevolution 8 місяців тому

      Get out of your moms basement coercedjab. You're just screaming at the mirror right now🙄

  • @Brotherman94
    @Brotherman94 4 місяці тому +1

    Are the cahokia mounds safe to visit since they're in east STL?

  • @imacenurface
    @imacenurface 4 роки тому +2

    Waste management kinda makes there footprint very similar.... I was at the landfill yesterday and it looked like this..
    Could this be there landfill?

  • @phoenixashes1371
    @phoenixashes1371 6 років тому +3

    I did not know Illinois was so interesting. When you say prehistoric times that is a good clue it goes back much older than stated at least 25 or 50 thousand years earlier. Who ever built it had to be a great civilization to create so much...

    • @NubiansNapata
      @NubiansNapata 4 роки тому

      Did the solukang built it?? 😂😂

  • @fredjhenzel
    @fredjhenzel 5 років тому +4

    Currently reading 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus, and wanted to see those mounds on video.

  • @lesamessenger7267
    @lesamessenger7267 5 років тому +3

    I remember driving Semi from Oregon Il to St Louis and seeing the CAHOKIA mounds back in 75

  • @chrisconrad4521
    @chrisconrad4521 9 років тому +2

    I live in Illinois, pretty close to Cahokia mounds. I've ran workouts on Cahokia mounds before.

  • @davidduitsman2133
    @davidduitsman2133 25 днів тому

    An amazing historical/cultural jewel! We tripped onto it after our visit Collinsville with our grandson Collin so he could see the giant ketsup bottle. The visit triggered an interest in the broad network of trade among Native American people groups. It extended the understanding we had obtained when visiting the Pipestone Historical Site in Pipestone, MN.

  • @CopperHueCollectionsChippewa
    @CopperHueCollectionsChippewa 6 років тому +10

    Amazing to me 4:20 a depiction of Europeans in the painting, aborigines were copper colored. Where did you get this story from if the Europeans wiped out our his-story?

    • @thebluntfultruth8475
      @thebluntfultruth8475 4 роки тому

      If you ever visit the Milwaukee Public museum, the depiction of the aboriginals is much more accurate. A darker-skinned people looking exactly how they would have looked. You can see some pictures if you looks up "milwaukee public museum native american exhibit" on google images.

    • @siriusfun
      @siriusfun 4 роки тому +2

      Being a mixture of South American indigenous and Asian, they would've had varying skin tones; some darker, some lighter - just as they do today.
      Why you're hung up on melanin content is interesting, though.

    • @akeishaharris
      @akeishaharris 3 роки тому

      Exactly, the 1828 Webster's dictionary tells you who the Native Americans were..

  • @heidimarchant5438
    @heidimarchant5438 4 роки тому +5

    I went mushroom hunting, packed my bags and went to my sisters. The next day we climbed the Cahokia mound and my baby was delivered that night.😊

    • @bohobabie5987
      @bohobabie5987 4 роки тому

      Congrats!!! Did you also find mushrooms? :)

  • @EatMeBeatMeGirl
    @EatMeBeatMeGirl 10 років тому +8

    This is really interesting. Is it from a schools/children's program? Going by the style of presentation?

  • @gggreggg
    @gggreggg 4 роки тому +1

    where did all the soil come from???? if it was all sourced locally, would not the fertile top soil been removed leaving only the infertile sub soil? Maybe they had a good soil amendment program?

  • @Thikbody1979
    @Thikbody1979 Рік тому +1

    I’m happy to say I lived on 15 minutes away from the historical site and has taken field trips as a child with my elementary school class this was amazing to see as a kid then to findout the truth of it I had rode pass this once a before village growing up once I learned it’s truth it turned out to be a beautiful experience me an my classmates enjoyed running up the steps and down when your a kid you have no worries and no understanding of things but once you do it’s something amazing can’t wait to go back to my home town and visit gotta go before winter hits that Midwest winters are no joke 😂

  • @Simonjose7258
    @Simonjose7258 5 років тому +22

    3:47 You just said a minute ago that there is "no evidence" that they had any contact with mesoamerican cultures. Now you're wondering how and where they managed to domesticate and cultivate corn.?. And they had seashells from the Gulf of Mexico!.. 🤔🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @connormurphy683
      @connormurphy683 5 років тому +1

      They traded with the US Southwest/Four corners regions (aka the Pueblo peoples) as an intermediary. They didn't know about each other but they both knew of the Puebloans.

    • @JA-rn5qv
      @JA-rn5qv 4 роки тому +4

      Too many assumptions. They didn't need to trade directly with the mesoamericans for them to have obtained corn, there were many other tribes, cultures in between the two that would have been like dots connecting the trade. It's much more likely that they obtained the corn via the many other tribes that lived south of that area and eventually extending in to Texas. As for the seashells from the Gulf of Mexico, you do realise the Gulf of Mexico extends well in to the United States right???? Have you ever even looked at a map??? Florida, Louisiana, Alabamba, Mississippi, Texas, all are on the GULF OF MEXICO lol. Corn obtained from other tribes that lived to the south, seashells obtained from trading tribes of Florida/Louisiana Gulf of Mexico shores.... get it now?

    • @bobfrog4836
      @bobfrog4836 3 роки тому

      Texas to Florida are all on the Gulf of Mexico and nowhere near mesoamerica.

    • @CoercedJab
      @CoercedJab 3 роки тому

      J A so... they had contact lol so much effort to fix this plot hole like bro they ain’t telling you the truth lmao

  • @jimstineman638
    @jimstineman638 4 роки тому +12

    I am enrolled eastern shoshone of the wind river reservation in Wyoming and..... European people who are digging up our Mississippi river valley and hiding the plunder of their misgivings...where are the giants that we still have tribal stories...

    • @siriusfun
      @siriusfun 4 роки тому +8

      The giants with red hair that were there before the amerindians arrived, you mean?
      Who built all of the mounds and elaborate stone structures?
      Yes - the Shawnee and Ojibwa elders tell fascinating origin stories saying precisely that.

    • @biffa_bacon3879
      @biffa_bacon3879 3 роки тому

      The clock is ticking.

    • @jimstineman638
      @jimstineman638 3 роки тому +1

      I said that the truth is not out there, and yes someone giants have 6 fingers and red hair. I just want it out there

    • @prestonransome5362
      @prestonransome5362 3 роки тому +3

      Nothing is gained by playing the one-note ukulele of victimhood, Sir. The dishonesty, stupidity and malevolence of our country today are a terrible tragedy for us all.

    • @jimstineman638
      @jimstineman638 3 роки тому

      Agreed

  • @TheCobbFamilyFarm
    @TheCobbFamilyFarm 5 років тому +20

    "they had no written language". And yet... We seem to beleive that we "know" just how they lived and happen to "know" their culture....? Right

  • @lofianddiy
    @lofianddiy 3 роки тому +2

    I was there as a child 44 years ago, and they told me it was the highest elevation in the state. Though hardly true, it made sense to me, as a road trip was miles of corn in all directions!

  • @kirstencorby8465
    @kirstencorby8465 3 роки тому +1

    watching this made me feel like I was back in grade school. I liked it. Learning is fun.
    Sorry I never got a chance to see Cahokia when I lived in Illinois.

    • @OldWorldNY
      @OldWorldNY 2 роки тому +1

      I want to go so bad 😅

  • @backachershomestead
    @backachershomestead 4 роки тому +5

    I grew up in Illinois and never heard of this! Guess a big thanks to my history teachers goes out! Lol

  • @DDay-vv9ec
    @DDay-vv9ec 4 роки тому +4

    I live in moundsville w.v home of the largest conicle mound.they say this was a large Indian settlement upto 5000 people.ide like to know where all these graves are.only ones found in this area have been in the mounds .I don't think they know as much as they think.

    • @deborahdonovan8342
      @deborahdonovan8342 4 роки тому

      The mounds are buriel grounds. That would be where they were buried. They are not to be touched. That is not honorable.

  • @supressorgrid
    @supressorgrid 9 років тому +8

    How did the Indians keep the grass mowed?

    • @MrRtanner75
      @MrRtanner75 9 років тому +8

      James walker animals grazed on the land and kept it trimmed...not mowed.

    • @cammiosis
      @cammiosis 9 років тому +2

      +Robert Tanner exactly !

    • @supressorgrid
      @supressorgrid 9 років тому

      Robert Tanner So, who picked up all the poo?

    • @lauracullen659
      @lauracullen659 8 років тому +8

      +James walker What makes you think we mowed the grass? That was a unnecessary activity invented by the white man. Indians were engaged in more useful activities.

    • @davidgreen5099
      @davidgreen5099 6 років тому +3

      They used mowers similar to the ones the Flintstones used.

  • @matthewmann8969
    @matthewmann8969 4 роки тому +2

    All the measuring and deducting of how much grass, dirt, mud, And other elements to use and move around

  • @g.e.choate6561
    @g.e.choate6561 2 роки тому

    Well done. 10 minutes very well spent.

  • @antecel1265
    @antecel1265 3 роки тому +7

    I love Jim Wilhelm, he is such an awesome dude.

  • @jrcostilla9105
    @jrcostilla9105 4 роки тому +4

    It's sad that we are not taught about these places as well as them being excavated and preserved

  • @sparkynm156
    @sparkynm156 5 років тому +15

    Great Video.. People have No Clue to the Real History of "America".

    • @Gen3ralGrimReaper
      @Gen3ralGrimReaper 4 роки тому +2

      They were black. When people say we came from Africa, explain how Africans built the plantation with marketing they’ve never seen. The ships weren’t that big, and it didn’t take days or weeks to reach the US. It took months and Africans would’ve died out by then

    • @yockeyrasraelbey2401
      @yockeyrasraelbey2401 4 роки тому +1

      They were so called black , colored , Indians , but specifically and factually Moors 🇲🇦

  • @drew-shourd
    @drew-shourd 3 роки тому

    Great video. @6:16, the white circle is a second hand, the blue is the minute hand and the green is the hour hand.

  • @johnlombardo7816
    @johnlombardo7816 11 місяців тому

    just heard about cahokia from the Godrules channel today.. this is fascinating, great video thank you for sharing!

  • @AdrienJaouen21
    @AdrienJaouen21 10 років тому +7

    Thank's for the informations!

  • @vestibulate
    @vestibulate 4 роки тому +3

    He tells us there was no cultural contact with the civilization to the south, in Mexico. Then he shows us the life-sustaining core of their agriculture: maize, the main crop whose cultivation spread from an original center in Mexico. That, my friends, is cultural contact. Meanwhile, the narrator is at a loss to explain the Cahokian's adoption of maize cultivation. He tells us it happened "somehow". This is not exactly a rigorous account.

    • @vestibulate
      @vestibulate 4 роки тому

      @Klaa2 The cultivation of maize is in itself primary evidence of cultural contact. Its spread has been traced from Mesoamerica to the Mississippi valley. Do you think this happened without human agency? I regard as unscientific the thesis that Mississippian maize cultivation developed independently of the Mesoamerican instigators of that practice. Contact between these regions was easily achieved through water passage, in contrast to the proven but more difficult Mesoamerican cultural migration northward to the southwestern U.S. over desert terrain. How else do you account for the appearance of maize in the Mississippi Valley?

  • @jorikussman8921
    @jorikussman8921 2 роки тому +3

    My grandfather carved the totem pole in the visitor center. 😊❤️

  • @RunToEternity
    @RunToEternity 3 місяці тому

    There is a nice view of St Louis city,
    on the top of the tallest mounds,
    stay on the paths and stairs of course.
    Weird how an arch was put there, not far away,
    but visible.
    What was also weird was a few offerings left there,
    but not the food,
    it was the replica of an Egyptian bust left there by someone that was off.
    I started the "zi di ni ana kan pa" from the Fields of the Nephs when I saw that.
    Hey why not include the Sumerians?
    Yes, I was there, just a day ago.

  • @davidh.quusacine
    @davidh.quusacine 4 роки тому

    Nice music, do you have names of those music where to download ?

  • @michaelrapson
    @michaelrapson 5 років тому +4

    How can they be so sure of the method of construction of the giant mounds. And why so big? Something is missing in the story.

    • @michaelfisher7170
      @michaelfisher7170 3 роки тому +1

      The excavation of the mounds shows the basketloads of earth piled up on each other, retaining the shape of the baskets. Its not a leap to figure out how they did it.

    • @michaelrapson
      @michaelrapson 3 роки тому

      @@michaelfisher7170 forklift trucks no doubt.

    • @michaelfisher7170
      @michaelfisher7170 3 роки тому

      @@michaelrapson lol. or anti gravity lifts left by the passing Rigelians.

    • @michaelrapson
      @michaelrapson 3 роки тому

      @@michaelfisher7170 No. The people understood antigravity just as Ed Leedskalnin did.

    • @michaelfisher7170
      @michaelfisher7170 3 роки тому

      @@michaelrapson I agree. Antigravity was human powered labor. Of course they understood that. That's what immense projects were about. Having a large population, organizing that population once recieving their recognition of authority, and having them carry out the work. The elites of the times also employed remarkable engineers, like Leedskalnin. No "magic technology" was involved.

  • @GardenBearz
    @GardenBearz 7 років тому +6

    This all just guess work based on what they would have done with the property if they lived there. Who knows? Maybe the highest mound was a learning center or children's center :p

    • @generalturner9628
      @generalturner9628 7 років тому +8

      You have a point. These sites are always being investigated and explained through a Eurocentric lens.

    • @carolinemerald77
      @carolinemerald77 7 років тому

      bOOOO hOOOO

    • @yeetspageet6707
      @yeetspageet6707 5 років тому

      GardenBearz it isn’t guesswork the spainish visited many towns just like this and wrote down lots of stuff about them.

  • @juansolo3090
    @juansolo3090 6 років тому +93

    if they had corn then they had knowledge and contact,with Mexico.

    • @Kamikazebat3923
      @Kamikazebat3923 6 років тому +6

      Awebo.

    • @nightlightabcd
      @nightlightabcd 6 років тому +3

      @@wendellgrim3815 - I'm guessing you are a Republican and a Trump supporter!!

    • @んや-s7z
      @んや-s7z 6 років тому +4

      Wendell Grim shut the fuck up clueless piece of shizen

    • @NoneNone-dw1jo
      @NoneNone-dw1jo 6 років тому

      Wendell grim where did you find that information?

    • @couriersix3490
      @couriersix3490 6 років тому +10

      No corn was grown throughout northern Midwest USA

  • @jeffreybailey1758
    @jeffreybailey1758 5 місяців тому

    Good video. To be a bit more specific, Cahokia Mounds is not located in the city of Cahokia, IL. It is right on the edge of Collinsville (the Kahoks! - home of the fictitious Kahok Native American tribe). It is definitely worth the time to visit Cahokia Mounds if want to learn about our history.

  • @davidcawrowl3865
    @davidcawrowl3865 3 роки тому +2

    The Cahokian chieftain assumed the title "A brother of the Sun". Hernando deSoto made a similar claim during his expedition throughout the southern states of Mississippi and Arkansas in 16th century; calling himself "An immortal son of the Sun", a ploy some believed was used to gain the natives submission without conflict. Correction: It was generally acknowledged that he did to so to gain their submission.

  • @chub1881
    @chub1881 4 роки тому +5

    "Hello I'm Jim wilhelm" I replayed that way 2 many times

  • @CrookCountySoftwear
    @CrookCountySoftwear 6 років тому +3

    Amazing how much info can be mashed into 10mins. This guy is great.

  • @Dougs-Ear-Hole-Entertainment
    @Dougs-Ear-Hole-Entertainment 5 років тому +3

    The entire area should be a national treasure. Remember they were here first. We are on their land. Pre historic should tell you a little about what they had to encountered wildlife wise. Hint, it wasn't buffalo.

    • @anthonyw9129
      @anthonyw9129 5 років тому +1

      Land belongs to he who can hold it ... There is no "ownership" of land. Its all temporary

  • @MarcyGreen333
    @MarcyGreen333 3 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing i visit there on July Cahokia mounds have a good day

  • @JeshuSavesEndTimeMinistry21C
    @JeshuSavesEndTimeMinistry21C 5 років тому

    Thanks for the info can you please provide the name of the excellent music in the beginning
    of the video?

  • @jenya-was-here
    @jenya-was-here 7 років тому +4

    This is absolutely fascinating, I've always been curious about ancient pre-Columbian Native American lives, so thank you very much for this, and I very much look forward to more! ♥ I wonder what other historical native wonders are hidden in plain sight, as it were, and we still have yet to uncover them?

    • @mrshanwash2
      @mrshanwash2 5 років тому

      There is plenty more on the subject to enjoy. Some people that are called "black" were the original people of N America

    • @billhosko7723
      @billhosko7723 2 роки тому

      @@mrshanwash2 JFC... No people are Indigenous...

  • @maracohen5930
    @maracohen5930 5 років тому +9

    That's hilarious! He states there is no noted ties between the Mississippian Peoples and Mexico....yet they grew Corn. Where does he think Corn came from?
    My folks who were way up the Missouri River have stories of travels south to the Missippi River and furher south to trade with the People of the Land of the Twisted Pot Houses, sounds like Mexico to me...

    • @Redmenace96
      @Redmenace96 3 роки тому +1

      Why do you become so easily outraged? He mentions the shells from the Gulf of Mexico. The dude presents plenty of facts, and speaks reasonably on established fact. Don't take things so personally.

    • @IshtarLinqu
      @IshtarLinqu 3 роки тому

      @@Redmenace96 Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics chamber degrees will guide you

    • @cacatr4495
      @cacatr4495 3 роки тому +1

      @@Redmenace96
      Why do you accuse them of being "outraged", of taking things "personally"? I do not see that in their comment. It comes across as simply an honestly-felt viewpoint.

  • @BrezHurley
    @BrezHurley 3 роки тому +5

    So the hypothesis for how Cahokia ended is they ate too much corn and ruined their environment? Wait a minute, isn't that us? hmm...

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk28 3 роки тому +2

    Not sure when this video was actually made, but you completely miss the idea that there's a town just up the road on the other side of the Mississippi and Missouri where they estimate a minimum of 82 to 85,000 people lived in a city there.
    And it dates at least a thousand years older than Cahokia

    • @joshbarrett9274
      @joshbarrett9274 3 роки тому

      Interesting, do you know what this city was called?

  • @dustincastillo9935
    @dustincastillo9935 2 роки тому

    I currently living bout 45 mins from the. Mounds rn. Ima go check em out. It's been forever since I been down that way aside from driving through