The Controversy Surrounding The Michigan Relics Explained | The Michigan Relics | Real History
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Leading experts present compelling arguments on both sides of the controversy about the divisive nature of the Michigan Relics, leaving the viewer to decide if the Michigan Relics are really history, or merely hoax.
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Why would you make a Video even considering that the Relics are a Hoax? Some Scientists are wrong.
If this is an example of what this channel considers "historical", I'd genuinely rather hit my foot with a ball-peen hammer. Repeatedly.
I left the following as a general comment but the "hosts" of this channel should read it. Everyone associated with this channel should be deeply embarrassed by this "real history."
This is offensive. The only "real history" is that a couple of aspiring grifters manufactured "relics." To go into a discussion of "how did they get here," "it's hard to cross the ocean" leads the gullible into thinking "experts" are trying to hide "the truth."
The interview with David Allen Deal isn't the best of scholarly discussion. The Copts are still around -- they're the pre-Arab Conquest Egyptians. In the year that Deal says they had a distinct theology, 375, the Copts were still in communion with the Churches in Rome and Constantinople. They all had the same theology. Deal goes on to claim that Emperor Constantine had an agenda to have his own pet theology enshrined as Church doctrine. The problem with that claim is that the only evidence shows that Constantine ended the persecutions against Christians, but he wasn't the first Roman emperor to do so. There had been others who allowed the Christians to live in peace, and all of them were followed by an emperor who persecuted Christians. In 20/20 hindsight we can see that no emperor who followed Constantine persecuted Christians, but there's no way the Christians of the time could know the future. Many of the bishops who were alive when Constantine was emperor had scars from the tortures of persecution, and probably everybody knew someone, or many, who had died for the Faith. They had refused to compromise their beliefs even in the face of death. But Deal, and others, claim that Constantine imposed his theological will on the Christian Church. That's a head scratcher. The only way Deal can defend the claim is to assert that the bishops were so tired and weak that they all gave in and changed Christian doctrine in exchange for being able to live in peace, and he'll have to present evidence that this happened. It's possible to trace the origins of this claim about Constantine, though, and if I recall correctly it was first posited in the late 19th or early 20th century. That's not first hand or even second or third hand source. Whoever put this documentary together should have done that basic research before deciding to put Deal's claim into the evidence, or at least have acknowledged that his claims in this regard are controversial. The fact is that the claim about Constantine's influence on Christian doctrine is dismissed as crackpot by serious historians of every belief. Editing to add that the claim that YHW is "Jehova" is way out there. That's a long explanation, but the short one is that the Hebrew texts that were used in synagogues included the abbreviation for "Elohim" (Lord) above the proper Name of God, because God's Name was never to be spoken aloud. The rabbi who read the Scriptures aloud in synagogue was reminded to substitute the word "Elohim" for "Yahweh." A Catholic monk in the medieval period or later mistook the way both abbreviations were written, with "Elohim " (abbreviated) written *above* the"YWH," to be the single word "Jehova." The monks who used his written copy to make other copies perpetuated the mistake, while Bibles copied from other monasteries continued to write it as it had been done. The confusion wasn't cleared up until the 20th century. But the mistake wasn't present in any Scriptures of the time that these guys claim the Michigan artifacts were supposedly brought by Coptic explorers. So that's just another argument against the theory.
The name of the church is....
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.
All the discoveries in all the various locations and through the various years have one thing in common: James Scotford. The next big clue is that he was an artist. He painted signs and was a scenic artist. I myself have a fine arts degree and can tell you that it is a rare artist who does not have experience in a wider assortment of mediums than just one. Sculpture, metal working, pottery etc are very common skill sets that most artists have at least some experience with. This guy had the means, the motivation, and he and his sons were the sole source.
He was not much of an artist.
@@billshiff2060 Good enough to fool many.
Hehe
Only problem is that Henriette Mertz translated the relics and found them to be real
@@michaelsterling6163 There are people who believe the Loch Ness monster is real even after confessions from the fakers,.
As a native Michigander with Ojibwa heritage, I have deep roots and deeper love for the great lakes region. There is so much legitimate and fascinating history here to absorb and explore. It honestly upsets me that self indulged, depraved, and delusional scoundrels would dare muddy the waters just for 15 minutes of fame. Especially done in such a blatantly obvious format. It's despicable.
Very well said!
Curious how you gloss over all the company's in Michigan which destroy any artifacts found while excavating and building.
@@Howl-Runner those aren't the only ones destroying the earth in general, he didn't "gloss over" anything lol man I hope you find more happiness so your not trolling comments on you tube for self validation
WHAT DO SAY ABOUT THE VERY TALL SKELETONS FOUND ALL OVER AMERICA? WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE ORAL HISTORIES OF MANY TRIBES THAT SAY THAT GIANT PEOPLE LIVED IN AMERICA THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO?
🧐🤦♂️🤣🤣
I thought ignorange was supposed to be bliss?
I sincerely hope you're not voting in elections or, God forbid, procreating.
Right. Nobody ever talks about the Minoan Tablet at a museum in Saint Ignace.
Or all the floating cooper in the UP the feed the Bronze Age
I’ll talk about it: it’s not a Minoan tablet.
You’re welcome.
St. Ignacio,1st church, Americas
Ignacio us, ok yeah
I’m from where the Slate Museum is, and I recognize that slate sink and saw. I’m going to show this to my dad who was on the original board of the museum. He’ll get a kick out of this.
One of the books I've been reading this spring/summer is Barry Fell's "America B.C." He was an epigrapher, and died somewhat recently. There are stones around, especially in New England, but other places as well, that had been inscribed in what he, and others, called Occam script. That is a combination of Celtic, Phoenician (close to Israel) and then Carthage as well. This is before western Europeans, before 1492. Just asking that we not throw the baby out with the bathwater. One of the guys said that "Scofford polluted the artifacts." I think that that is more likely true.
Fell was a professor of invertebrate zoology--"best known for his pseudoarchaeological work in New World epigraphy, arguing that various inscriptions in the Americas are best explained by extensive pre-Columbian contact with Old World civilizations. His writings on epigraphy and archaeology are generally rejected by those mainstream scholars who have considered them." Not exactly the guy to believe on this topic.
It doesn't strike you as peculiar, the particular choices of old world scripts? They are commonly chosen as something that few people can read, but are familiar enough to be identified, which is exactly what a hoaxer needs. This kind of hoax can be found all over North America, especially the US. Don't be a sucker, don't open your mind to the point your brain falls out. For that matter, this stuff has been done for many centuries across the old world, long before the new world began to be overrun by Europeans. You'd have to be seriously stupid to just take this crap as anything but crude forgeries.
Equally wrong to do would be to treat his judges as though they were unbiased, scientists who did not have significant investment, in time if not money, into the structure of epigraphic archaeology of the present day and age. Science quits being science when it automatically will not consider the questions that consider its choice of facts, omitting those that would disprove them, or when it will not consider the driving presuppositions. When you permit the concept of "it is already proven science", you now begin to talk about either religion, or engineering.
@@TheEudaemonicPlague
Fell (1917-1994) was a person of extraordinary genius. His critics are always people who never knew him. His special knowledge was in ancient euro-mediterranean scripts. The new world studies came from the appearance of these scripts at new world sites. North America archeologists lacked the linguistic knowledge to critique Fell scientifically so they went ad hominem. Fell considered these Michigan artifacts to be 100% fraudulent and didn't waste any time on them.
Novi Michigan. New construction builds... Watched them steam roll two burial mounds. In the process of clearing the land.. they were four foot tall and 20 feet round.. built with rocks.. mentioned it them .. they said the farmers out those there. !!!!!! Yeah. Ok. Walked two miles in the woods to lay rocks in a burial form. Michigan just builds over lost natives
Something happened for sure around the Younger Dryas event. The last ice age. Here in Southern Ohio there are lots of evidence left over from the last ice age. Lots of Native American history here also. Live about 30 mins from the famed Serpent Mound. If any of these ancient Civilizations or people are proven true, then they change the history of North America. Which they can't have that. Just think of how much knowledge has been lost do to money, egos, politics.
It's not lost. It's hidden and the term occult is used as a scare tactic.
These people are related to the mound builders. They came from the same place at different times.
I know from watching The Curse of Oak Island, they can test metal to determine it's origin. Does anyone know if that was done with artifacts?
The theory that the Phoenicians mined copper in Michigan is interesting. Given that the source of copper to supply the Bronze Age has not been found in Europe/Asia/Africa, it stands to reason Michigan is the probable source. A lot of unanswered questions.
The source of copper in the eastern Mediterranean hasn’t been found? So what?
Do you expect there to be some big island named “copper” just sitting out in the eastern Mediterranean? 😂
This is an entirely nonsensical idea. There is absolutely no way they could have made the trip consistently and safely across the Atlantic to establish any sort of consistent trade route. Also what do you mean "the source of copper" hasn't been found? There are numerous mining sites in Iberia, Britain, and elsewhere where copper was extracted in the Bronze Age.
Dear Paul there are copper mining sites all over europe. So yozr source either does not kniw the basics or is willfully leaving you in the dark.
@@TorianTammas of course there’s copper mines all over, but collectively they don’t even scratch the surface of what was needed to supply the Bronze Age. To my knowledge, this is the prevailing conclusion amongst scientists, archaeologists, etc. There’s no consensus as to where the source came from, only that it’s a mystery. In the Michigan islands, there are massive ancient copper mines that are a mystery as well. I forget the estimated tonnage, but I believe it’s the greatest single copper source on earth. Given that the Phoenicians were seafaring, and that the great lakes were accessible via river systems, it sure seems plausible to me.
@@Oddball5.0 the land in Europe and Asia have been heavily explored, surveyed, and searched at this point. Do you really think there’s undiscovered, unclaimed, or unused land in Europe? People have been prospecting there for thousands of years. Even today when they deploy satellite and other technology, the source for that copper is still unaccounted for.
If that many relics were left behind where are all the regular day items like pots pans weapon’s or did they just leave items with hieroglyphics on them 🤦🏻♂️
give me a minute, I'll have a cooking pot to sell you....
As if everyone was walking around back then with an inscribed tablet, like a mobile phone…. :)
Good point, or lije I said: what are niw lakes were a channel to the ocean and a water highway.
Pots pans and weapons are actually useful possibly
I’m a Michigander and never heard of any of this, turns out for a very good reason, it’s a horrible attempt of a forgery.
It's good state lore though.
It goes well with the rest of the corrupt and debauchery in the state. I always assumed MI’s sad state of affairs is due to the unions, but it seems it’s deep at the core.
You did not hear about it because these are these artifacts were suppressed and hidden
From the public.
@@haredr6511 Watch your mouth, smoothbrain. Talk all the shit you want about the warzone south of Saginaw, but the rest of the state is paradise.
@@patriciamchenry “artifacts” more like artifakes.
I also have stones with the same symbols there like symbols with an eye and lines I retire to talk to the archaeologist on the phone and I felt they made fun of me and basically asked what I seen on the stones and I told them what I knew at the time and they told me they would send someone out and then hung up Never took my info lol
Idk how you can get help with this stuff but they are not a help
"Boy Who Cried Wolf." Archaeologists don't have unlimited time and funding, and believe me, they get nonsense calls all the time about supposed amateur finds. Sounds to me like they were pretty polite to you under the circumstances.
Three minutes in and I new these was about "snake oil salesmen".
At least it's a good lesson to be extremely critical of those way out of place finds.
Little did they know, that some 900-1000 years ago, Scandinavian peoples of the Viking era would actually have established a small colony on the Atlantic coast of Canada, that was confirmed by real scientists over a half century of their respective deaths.
Unless other such finds of that magnitude are yet to be unearthed, anything smaller will be held in a highly skeptical view, do in large part to molesting actors such as these two perpetuated, and the damage they did attempt or have done, to the collective history of us all.
May the ancestors grant them their just rewards.
Their ancestors???
? More squatters ? LOL..Sorry, people of color were the earliest inhabitants ...not the Norskies. OK..who is the next bunch to claim our native land as theirs ????
So many artifacts basically found by just two men. You would expect lots of other Michigan folks making chance discoveries in their digging and construction work. But nothing really, zip, nada. Pretty weird batting average they had!
Justified proof we were not cuku for cocopuffs
@@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof Yes, people who buy into this are fruit loops.
Actually, artifacts are found during construction. In the area where I live, back in the 70’s / 80’s, new neighborhoods were going up like crazy. When bones and artifacts were turned up, they were quickly dumped in trucks and hauled off, so as not to be seen. It’s very sad, but the state and county would shut down the build sites for years, or forever, if they knew, so the builders protect their investments by getting rid of the evidence. Economics wins over history.
I myself as a kid, found what I now believe may have been an ancient drum, a piece of pottery with carved markings, and an arrowhead in the field across from my house. The “drum” and pottery were in the dirt under a small pile of rocks. Arrowhead was elsewhere in the field. Stupid kid, I thought nothing of the drum or pottery and tossed it. I still have the arrowhead. Point is, people find things and either don’t know what it is or purposely hide it.
Gougers
Yep.
The fact that others are unable to find anything like these pieces in that area (or surrounding areas) is a huge red flag that so many sadly don’t bother considering.
I mean, even with the truth coming out about the supposed artifacts, there are still people who refuse to acknowledge it and will try every way to justify continuing to believe it’s real.
"I'm not an archaeologist, I'm a publisher", well that pretty much sums it up.
"don't get in the way of business"
Oh?
Yeah that was clear..
"Bringo!" - Dr. Steve Bruhl
Your wrong and must be a lefty. You lefties all think that you have to have a degree. You don't think so e one can learn just by reading and listening to other archeologist. I quit school in the tenth grade. But I love history and love to read. And so I did for years. Well I had to go to a psychiatrist to get a test done to see where I was intellectually. She got through with me after three hours of testing. And wanted to know where I went to college. She said I had at least three and a half years of college. I told her no mam, I. A welder fitter. Never went to college . And she said she had been doing this for forty years and have never been wrong. I said you are now. She got mad and said well how did you know all this History? I like to read. I don't hardly ever watch TV. She said most people quit reading after school. I found that amazing. Because I couldn't comprehend people not wanting to read.
I think the brightest red-light is the completeness of so many of the "objects" and the apparent lack (as far as I've been able to deduce) of accompanying evidence of habitations or ruins or rubble or trash and debris, nothing but pretty trinkets.
Do a little research, try to find out what happened to the Cities along the Mississippi river and in New Mexico, Arizona all up and down the Eastern US. There were large towns created by the various tribes of the Eastern Confederate in all 13 original states, do you think that the White man were going to leave evidence of their victims after they slaughtered them all? Do you think the few mounds remaining are the only things the "Mound Builders" created?
No, most of the time the US Government sent the "civil engineers" (don't know what they were called) but sent these crews out ahead of the "settlers" to loot and raze anything remaining of the cultures in the territories that were wiped out by the poxs and other diseases or driven out by the military! Then anything left the settlers would flatten as they created pastures, fields and homestead and towns...
@@oldogre5999 I'm pretty certain that the government (which was nowhere near as organized and well-equipped as modern governments) was not so systematic and motivated when it came to ruins and artifacts as you suggest. The relatively isolated conditions and the lawless nature of the frontier along with man's inherent greed and curiosity are more than enough to account for the lack of large-scale material evidence.
@@waynemyers2469 You are welcome to think as you like. Makes little difference to me, after all ignorance is bliss right?
@@oldogre5999 I wouldn't know, why don't YOU tell me because if you think the Michigan Relics were real you are the ignorant one.
@@oldogre5999 Did you give any thought at all to this before you typed it? So the government wiped out all traces of the habitations of ancient Christian communities in Michigan (that no one knew about until the 1890s?) but somehow left thousands of pristine, easily found artifacts? And why would they want to do that in the first place? You can believe whatever you want, but don't try to bullshit the rest of us.
Why would anyone take a publicists word as an authoritative final on anything, archeological, anthropological, or in the study of any linguistics 😅😂 Ill just go make a documentary on Advanced Physics and have an auto mechanic explain it for you 😅😂
It's still interesting and it leaves things to think about. Maybe points of view or artifacts we've never seen or thought about. Look at the art! Later....
the first problem tihe most of those findings where Soper and Scotford brought these 'respected' townspeople to randomly find these relics is that the constant coincidence "how they just happen to be where we searched", whereas in archeology search sites can get turned over for weeks and nmonths by large groups of trained professional with little or no fidings at all. The high freqency of these substantial and coincidential findings suggests that these pieces were buried weeks in advance, so that rain water would solidify the ground and cover the digging of a recently buried object.
the second problem is that many of these slate objects ought to be broken, cracked and so thoroughly worn by age that most of the inscriptions should not be legible.
I had that same thought. Too many were just WAY too pristine.
Co workers
There was a similar controversy in Davenport Iowa in 1877. A local minister, Jacob Gass, uncovered two slate tablets bearing Hebrew inscriptions from a burial mound. The Putnam Museum of Davenport was dragged into the controversy as he was on the board there. Several years later a couple of local guys confessed to the joke they were playing on Gass because he was so full of hot air about the Mound Builders being the Lost Tribes of Israel. It got out of hand when national media picked it up. The tablets are still in the Putnam Museum.
That kind of fakery happened quite a bit during that era. Apparently there were gullible people long before the internet and jokers and con artists to take advantage of them. P.T. Barnum inspired a lot of people.
They are Authentic Artifacts. *"Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists" are just married to their ,"19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline".*
aka the Darwinian Model Theory, there are an abundance of studies that suffice to prove their Paradigm inaccurate.
The facts are emerging at present and Peer Reviewed Science has and will have some exciting discoveries for our era's awareness.
These finds challenge their model, and that's why the scream fraud.
Sounds like he was a follower of Joseph Smith and Mormonism.
@@overbeb He was a Lutheran. That sort of idiocy was popular then. The forerunners of Graham Hancock and the rest of the ancient aliens crowd.
Anachronistic Mormons at work.
@@carlmally6292 Indeed, Joseph Smith merely co-opted an idea that was already pretty popular at the time (that's one of the reasons he got so many converts early on).
I think that anyone who has seen hundreds of stone tools and thousands of artifacts, even if only in museums, would see these as certainly not having been buried for 1700 years. The writing, the incised lines, the lack of weathering and wear are absolutely not like actual artifacts, which are very rarely ever found in such pristine condition. Fun show and very well made.
Haha, right? I'm glad I'm not alone. Those are obvious forgeries at very first glance. They're not even good forgeries, they're so naive, as if made by a child- or some poor, uneducated farmer in the 1920's.
@@anarchy_79 Successful farmers in the 1920s were far from poor or uneducated.Where do you get such ideas?Many self made millionaires came off the farm.Guaranteed those farmers had high G,which simply means practical working intelligence.People like Ford,Edison etc.
@@anarchy_79 leave your mother out of it m8
@@davidkgreenYou can tell that's the type of nonsense that a Michael Bloomberg, Naom Chomski or a George Soros puts into a simple mind!
All the carving and lines were perfect. No weathering except on the copper but that’s easy to do with salt water.
I live down the road from the historical museum, used to be my favorite place to visit as a kid, the 50s and 60s era sections were always my favorite. Now my 12 year old loves going there every few months.
Museums was the only places except the Art, buildings on my 33 days of the best days of my life am now 73 occurred June 30- August 3, 1969 to Europe all expenses paid including air fare ,food and lodging with two per room with bus transportation throughout cost $1,000. The world has become worse not better thus no children as the population in free fall because too expensive with hunter gathering better for health of the human body everyone should know this since 1920.
these are fake af. I worked on medieval manuscript reproduction using extant materials that I made myself and taught others to make for decades. I have seen artifacts, documents, codices, books, & countless other recordings penned or carved onto many, many materials throughout time. Bro...these are fake af
What's the controversy? Only one guy finds them and he finds them in the counties where he moves to. NO ONE ELSE has to date found any in Michigan, yet he found thousands? Yes, the guy who faked it simply went to a library - they had those in the them olden days - and copied symbols from ancient civilizations all over the world. But since he didn't understand the language, he just used them as decoration. That's why we can't decipher the 'text' because it's just random letters. Anyone can make an oil lamp out of clay. There's even a tutorial for children to create one. Once you fire the clay it's indistinguishable from ancient oil lamps with some aging. Since this guy bought it from a collection and thus out of context for its surroundings, it's worthless as evidence of Mediterranean presence. Simply saying "Well the guy I bought it from has authenticated Native American pieces" doesn't prove anything. And why would anyone from the Mediterranean area come to the Americas for copper ore when Cyprus and Egypt and other such places were centers of copper production in the copper age? I wonder if that "mystical" etching on all the fake relics is someone's initials, as joke.
So fake, fake and fake.
The amount of copper used in the Bronze Age was so massive, the various sources around Europe and the Middle East have been questioned as to their ability to produce copper in those quantities.
If there is no providence all you have is a piece of metal or clay. This is almost as bad as the "Egyptians settled in the Grand Canyon I saw a few weeks ago..."
At the time they said people came to the great lakes for the copper the copper age was over, copper wasn't that valuable then
The simplest and most likely answer usually is in fact the answer. Aliens.
Fake. Fake. Fake. FAKE!!!. There. Just incase there was some doubt.
The expert at the end is utterly wrong about no prehistoric smelters. Shame that he didn’t know this. Copper smelting was definitely going on prior to Columbus.
When I went to Cahokia mounds in Illinois the museum claims that the natives who lived there were working copper.
He didn't say nobody did it; he said there have been no smelting sites found in that area.
Exactly!
@@tonybanana461 They said they were cold working copper, not smelting it.
Correct like in far away Oregon and Tennessee, but not Michigan.
Ppl seem to make these stories fit into their beliefs to support their thinking. For instance, the publisher is correct, he's not a geologist, archaeologist, or antiquities expert😂, its a fake oil lamp, or real one that was planted in West Virginia
His agenda is to prove that the Book of Mormon is true. Which in my opinion it is true. But he makes money doing seminars about the historocity of the Book of Mormon. He proposes that the stories in the book took place from Louisiana up to Michigan.
I am Mormon.
Most Mormons believe the lands and people described in the Book of Mormon are in Meso America.
The book of mormon talks about two groups of people leaving the middle east and coming America under God's direction.
Thus some of the people here anciently were descendants of Isreal.
Thevoil lamp is a classical fraud. It is not documented in any archeological dig in the US. So it could come anywhere. People are not aware how importatnt documentation is and what context a found exists.
I'm from that immediate area of Montcalm County. The locals always knew that the relics were fakes. Only outsiders thought they MIGHT be real. Our Grandparents joked about the relics.
How were they faked? And for what purpose?
Why would someone go around in that many areas, bury artifacts, the wait for the owners to fund them a 100 years ago?
@@denisesipsy1281 agreed. And how would they line up an ancient lunar eclipse so accurately in their faked depictions of history? Especially in 1904! Like, c'mon now. They were laypeople, uneducated people. They didn't know jack about ancient civilizations and even less about ancient eclipse dates 🙄
How could a hoax be so accurate?
I'ma go off of the usual scenario in these scenarios: its real, they want us to think its fake, so they added fakes to the mix to be discredit the real ones. Just like the Ica stones, the alien stuff, and everything else
My Grandparents joked about Bigfoot not being real. That didnt age well either.
Yep. It's not much more than a good laugh to us.
What's interesting about this, is that it has NOW become history, whether or not it was what it originally claimed. It is over 100 yrs old.
@AllyCat510, keep in mind that this video is probably 20 years old. So the video it’s self could be considered of history. The production quality is such that it doesn’t show its age much. Dr. Stamps is a friend of my dad, he’s currently 81 years old. In this video he’s probably in his early 60’s.
fake history
Would you wear a fake watch? Buy fake money? Would you destroy fakes to remove them from potential circulation that would dilute the value of real money? That's what these items do. they dilute real history and as such should be removed from any study or presentation. They do not teach or promote any real history unless you are studying forgery.
You can tell the clear difference in intelligence between the different guys studying these… the one guy who took the artifacts to experts of the specific materials is absolutely how you find truth.. then he ended his interview by saying “that’s science it could easily change” admitting that he could be wrong and you hear no doubt in his voice he means it.. the other guys seemed angry or affirming their proof is undeniable.. it seems like they aren’t really doing the same caliber of work… I didn’t see one ancient Hebrew expert I just saw a guy who claims to know all about it. Putting words together with symbols in a tile that’s clearly fake with poorly drawn Indians watching a calendar… trying to attach a solar eclipse and meteor to shoenproof is really a stretch
No kidding like whoever created the tablet was doing it on the day of the eclipse and just happened to write the biblical happenings from hundreds of years earlier.
This one person finds thousands of artifacts...only him? Really?
The description of the Scotford/Soper 'relic hunts' is really all you need to realize that these are fakes. If you really can just dig any old place and come up with a bunch of artifacts, then everyone in Michigan should have found one by now. And yet somehow the only time anyone ever found one of these things was when Scotford & Soper were present.
Wayne May should be disclosed as a mormon apologist. His method presupposes the “relics” are real and thus moves to justify his mormon belief via these fraudulent creations. He needs to make them “relics” to shore up a fictional book he treats as scripture. Integrity requires the featured “spokesmen” to declare their bias because what they share is not scientific or ethical, it is religious misinformation.
yep
Unholy, xenophobic and racist gatekeeper trying to control what you fear and refuse to comprehend. Many are called but few are chosen. Just like there are thousands of false denominations within lamestream Christianity as they succumbed to the bitter dregs of the Great Apostasy that made many false prophets and false priests of Roman Catholic Zealots, Eastern Orthodox Pharisees and Reformationist Protestantism Sadduccees. You fear the open mouth of God as you try to muzzle it with your closed-minded closed canon dogmatic prison of an incomplete and impure Bible. That is what will make evangelicals unprepared for the promised Second Coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. That is why you also fear The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ as it is a witness and record of God’s dealings with His covenant people who lived in the ancient Americas and were blessed to receive a physical, postmortal visit of Jesus Christ after the Atonement, death and Resurrection and ascension into Heaven from the Old World. This is why many of those false priests were so caught up to persecute and dehumanize the Prophet Joseph Smith and the early Saints just like evangelicals do today. It's all about a satanic and demonic need for control and power. You have had your eyes, heart and mind innoculated against the further light and knowledge of God by the adversary.
Check out the “grotesque” face oil lamp that was discovered in the foundations of Jerusalem; it is very similar to these objects. They seems like funerary votives to me.
I'm down in the east end of Monroe MI. Just south of the river and not far from the historic battlefields. I bought my house in 03& it was originally built in 1892. Ive found a lot of cool artifacts over the last two decades while renovating. Hell, i even thought i found gold inside some "black dirt" in the basement where the original foundation wall was caved in& replaced but all the surrounding dirt was left in the basement space. I have it saved somewhere but never tested it since it was just a few grains at that. I digress.....
I can go anywhere on my property and dig down 6" and find something. Most of the time it's broken glass, bones, old nails, glassware or ceramics, etc. From 6-12" down it's more of the same but sometimes you can find entire bottles still together or random pieces of metal. When i dug the 42" deep trench to run utilities out to my shop I found most of an old pot belly cast iron stove around 2ft or so deep. There's stuff scattered everywhere. And what is that stuff? Mostly garbage. Like legit garbage. Why? Because I'm guessing that over the last 130 ish years of homeowners, many of them threw their garbage directly on the ground or buried it when they felt like digging a hole or giving the kids a chore or punishment. I'm guessing the original builders just let their materials that went unused sit where they lay. Or tossed them to the side& the earth scooped them up in time. I've found a few dozen nails clumped together in spots. Like someone tossed a bag of them to the ground& said screw it. Or maybe they pulled them from old wood& tossed them in a pile for years. I'm guessing the people in the house tossed their food scraps out the windows for the chickens&pigs to pick off of& eventually they were stomped into the earth. In guessing a few of the homeowners were drunks& broke bottles around the yard. Add to that the trees in the yard& the lack of maintenence, it doesn't take but a few years for the earth to reclaim what was once on top.
Either way, 130yrs& it's nothing but garbage for 2-3ft down..... which means that i can only imagine actual artifacts from the past being pressed into the harder clay soil that sits beneath the soft dirt or sitting on bedrock or anywhere that would maintain them in location with minimal activity above. Ive yet to find anything worth actual value but i fill up a 5gal bucket every year full of garbage. Lol.
Lastly, for the same man to "find" multiple artifacts in various locations...... he must be the luckiest person ever or the best ever OR just a fraud...... lol. With that said, everyone enjoys a good dig. Just make sure you know where you're digging first and what may lay beneath. It's a simple phone call away to find utility lines
I live in Michigan in a 1896 farmhouse as well and I'm constantly digging up artifacts also. Pieces of glass bottles, pottery, plates (one with the full logo clearly visible, it was a very common 1800s manufacturer) and very rusty metal hardware. Like you said, it is most likely all of it was trash of the day. I keep most of what I find because it is interesting to me.
That's awesome!!! I would love to find artifacts around waterford. Also, pan that black dirt. Won't be too hard, there is plenty of gold here in Michigan. All glacial deposit unless in the UP there is some native gold.
I live in a home in Allendale, MI, I refer to as “our hovel”. It was built in 1870 by a Civil War Veteran and was, as I understand from older neighbors, a hog farm in it’s day. I can’t dig into the yard here ‘anywhere’ and Not find some kind of old something, like a piece of a farm implement, or an old shovel, hoe or pick of some kind or the other; there are glass bottles, some not broken, and just simply anything you can imagine from those days. If the house had been put up with the old wood balloon construction of those days it would most likely offer up relics too as I change the interior walls but, he put this one together with cinder blocks and mortar. That means no old newspapers or cowboy and Indian magazines, no old dolls and shoes, period cigars and God knows what else I have found in remodels of other old wood framed houses from the 1800’s in Grand Rapids and surrounding areas. In one job we found old letters from a young girl and her Civil War Soldier; in one she even spoke of the Government coming and taking their horses as they were needed by the Army. Fascinating stuff. There is enough real artifact items out there without the need to creatively develop fakes. Fakes tends to diminish the initial value of artifacts and those who pull that should be severely reprimanded by our culture. They don’t deserve their moments in the light and they cast negativity on the rightful place of the real thing.
Under the dousing art is 2 L shaped rods that cross directly over metal ...
Takes a bit of pratice but very reliable ...
A couple coat hangers will get you started...
Brass even gold are the best as the vibrate as well as cross ...
@@beardedxj I did find gold specs in it but who knows where it went. I have hoarder genetics so I save too much good shit as it is, let alone useless stuff. Lol. Combine hoarder genetics with being a handy man& it can add up way too fast. Lol. I clean shit out 4x a year& still think I have a mess. Although that may be the OCD kicking in.
As a professional Geologist, I wonder why none of the artifacts shown have any soil (iron, humus) staining or any carbonate deposits on them as usually occur on ancient artifacts. To me, many of the "tablets" look like old slate roofing shingles from the Martinsburg Formation in PA. I am not aware of similar slate in MI.
This is a story about how even intelligent people can be fooled by obvious fake items if they wish those items to be real, especially if it "proves" some oddball theory of theirs.
Yes, like the evolutionists and their bone fragments with plastic molding to fill in the 99% gaps.
They’re called Mormons 😂
@ChillCat665 There were no horses or chariots in the pre-Columbian Americas.
All one has to do is look at Mesopotamian artifacts in the Middle East, compare them with the Michigan counterparts and one can see how amateurish the Michigan ones are. Seems pretty obvious.
Without an archeological dig provenance to confirm where the artifacts were discovered is suspicious?
I have to say that if he falsified all this stuff he was amazingly prolific...thats a lot of work to do! Easier to just get a job.
Not a fake
@@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof Seems pretty straight forward that they are fake, unless you have evidence to the contrary.
Nah. As the video says, he had collaborators, and it really doesn't take that much effort to produce stuff like this, especially such poorly done stuff. I think the video says there are around 2,000 of these, and Scotford did this for around 30 years. That's about 70 artifacts a year - easy to churn out in a few months. Sell them to gullible people willing to pay a lot, and you've got a nice living plus notoriety to feed your ego, without having to work most of the year.
Those artifacts look so fake.
I’m neither defending nor (entirely) opposing the legitimacy of (some of) the relics. I will say that the alleged saw marks look more like old worn down wood (strong grains stick out more than the worn down weak ones)…as a guy who has actually cut plenty of wood, I’m failing to see the sawmarks in question. It’s more likely that the clay was placed upon a table or boards made from weathered wood.
Yes, those boards would need to be cut…but something from a sawmill would show a more circular cut . It would be more obvious than this expert claims (maybe he hasn’t cut a lot of wood 🤷♂️). Perhaps they could show other pics with a more circular cut in the grains?
DOB 1960. My Dad and I collected many arrowheads in different areas of Central and Lower East Michigan. These are sacred to our family. Michigan is a place like no other on earth. Remember, it's ancient with Great Lakes that "raked" and carved millions of acres of land, rivers, lakes, streams and they made Michigan rich farmland and other resourceful soil that sustains humans and animals. Whales are now returning yo the Great Lakes as well. Lake Superior is the 2nd or 3rd deepest biggest freshwater lake in the world. I believe anything ancient could be found in these lands. The native American tribes thrived here. Michigan is very special. Visit, enjoy, love,bur take your garbage with you
It's true that "Native Americans" in the Great Lakes area used some copper arrowheads, but these were from "native" copper, (copper occurring naturally). There is no evidence they ever smelted copper, and these plates were made from smelted copper.
So whales are returning to the Great Lakes? Which are freshwater? Are they swimming up the Mississippi and then locking through the locks on the Chicago ship canal? Or coming up the St Lawrence and then swimming up Niagara Falls to get to Lake Erie?
@oldgysgt There are ancient mines in Michigan.
@@sufyb6432; yes, there is archeological evidence the natives were gathering and using native copper, (natural occurring copper in metal form), but there is no evidence that they were smelting copper from ore, (refining copper metal from copper bearing stone ore).
I want to assure you there are no whales in the Great Lakes. They are not returning as they have never been there.
This is no controversy. I feel sorry for anyone who believed this garbage.
they look so fake it's funny
Nothing like a clever con artist to perpetuate a long lived hoax we still discuss today. Cheers, ya sneaky bastard! 🍻
So obviously fake! Why do they even need to be tested?
No controversy at all. FAKES!
Look at the faces depicted in these "artifact". It doesn't take an art expert to see they were drawn by the same person. Yes, they are a bit crude, but they all basically the same. And why would 4th century Christians be using Cuneiform writing or Egyptian hieroglyphics? Also, Antiquities experts all agree that Cuneiform is read from left to right, yet the so called "self taught expert" was reading from right to left. Yea, these "artifacts" are fake, and so are the fools who are claiming they're authentic.
I was at the meeting when Wayne May presented with Richard Stamps present, lots of evidence of Michigan Relics discovered over 100 years before Scotford and Soper were born. Yet when Dr. Stamps spoke to the same group he never acknowledged the compelling evidence presented by Wayne May. As a Full Professor with nearly 100 refereed articles in the scientific literate (biology and geospatial sciences) I was blown away at how he obviously had no intention of acknowledging the much earlier findings of the Michigan Relics. Most of his presentation was focused on Scotford and Soper calling them frauds, when the findings of many of the relics was obviously not a hoax. Many of the relics were found buried under the remains of Hopewell people. How did the hoaxers pull this one off. How come we find some relics in Southern Illinois. Did they ride a horse from Michigan to Southern Illinois just to plant some relics as a hoax? Come on folks, let's think logically.
Mormons trying to get the Book of Mormon artifacts they so badly want.
@garybowler5946 Mormons are a perfect example of what it means to be human. They are both wrong AND right. Or rather, right for the wrong reasons, lol.
Look up the Utah-Judah connection. It is fascinating.
If you read the Henrietta Mertz book called 'The Mystic Symbol" you will see the these artifacts were mainly found by farmers or excavations for cellars or foundations. And Henrietta was a court forensics expert and attorney who gave forgery testimony all the time. She knew that these carvings were softened with time and timeworn. She believed them to be authentic. Open your mind people!
@@therealdannymullenya Mormons originally believed all black people were evil, followers of Satan. Changed less than a hundred years ago. Tells your all you need to know
Yes, thinking logically means not being emotionally attached to side A or side B
3000 artifacts dived by 25 years equals 120 artifacts made a year. 120 artifacts dived by 12 months equals 10 made a month. 10 artifacts divided by 4 weeks equals 2.5 artifacts made a week. It could've been done by one person easily. Just saying.
Far-fetched
not at all he just described how easy it would be, dummy@@ramsrnja
@@ramsrnja Lots of "Nuh uh!" and "NOT FAKE" comments like yours with zero evidence or reasoning offered.
And he didn't do it alone - he had collaborators helping produce them.
@@yohei72, you are right. If my memory severs me right, I don't think he or the others held a full time job outside of their craft of faking artifacts and even that wasn't a full time job.
Con-artists gonna con
Yeah that's what they said alright " hey, there's some money to be made here" lol .
Never heard of these artifacts. I know that mound culture existed in southern Michigan, but based on everything I’ve read that culture had a minor presence in comparison to Ohio and Indiana. And by the late 1800s, most most mounds were excavated or destroyed by farmers who got curious about that funny hill on the back 40 or wanted to flatten their field, so it’s unlikely that a hoard of artifacts would suddenly appear. It makes sense that the Michigan copper was traded by pre-Columbian native cultures, but that doesn’t prove the artifacts are real. The most far fetched artifacts are the written tablets. The etchings are way too clean and precise to be that old. slate is incredibly brittle so, it’s hard to believe they’d be in tact. there’s a lot of cherry picking by the ‘experts’ in this video and a lot of bs. They ignore the fact that books existed that provided examples of the writing and symbols on the tablets. I’m sure the Carnegie Mellon libraries that were popping up all over the country during the last 1800s had ample supply of these books. It’s sad that people continue to believe the artifacts are legit.
There was a sunken ship found in the Mediterranean with copper ore that matched that from upper Michigan. It was a bronze age vessel if memory serves. The copper pits of the upper peninsula used to be attributed to Indian activity but I think that theory has now quietly gone to bed.
26:11⇢27:41.. from a doubtful Central Michigan "¿mystery?" to a direct link ☛ to the Council of Nicea ...in less than a minute and half ...
...is that how "Real History" is done?..
the funny joke on us is that no skeletons or signs of any burials and bones or personel belongings found beside these obiects or nearby
All this stuff looks WAY too pristine and arbitrarily ornate. I bet there's a "live laugh love" tablet out there somewhere!
People still fall for bull$hit as long as you add god or Jesus.
I’ve seen something like this in New Mexico where I live in los lunas and Tijeras canyon
Sadly, fakes dilute the waters of potentially legitimate history. It makes it harder to learn what really happened.
Read the Book of Mormon if you really want to know what happened.
As soon as you put the Mormons in the story I left .
People can’t stand it because archeology is finally catching up to religion. The Mormon religion in fact. It was all true all along.
There is no controversy. Those objects are fake. 😂
Wayne May is a Mormon, he views reality through his religious views.
Yes and that view is that Jesus was the brother of Satan. And such strange Mormon views were known way before the 1890's and the forgers knew about it as well.
Ancient people inhabited this country before the native Americans. The great lakes tribes know the history.
Obvious fakes
The truth is in-between but greed isn't.
Obviously fake. Same guy moves and starts finding more " Relics" in that area, too.
1 minute in and as someone who is in no way a professional at all, those etchings look WAY too fresh to be thousands of years old
When I heard "Paleo Hebrew" l scoffed and moved on. What a waste of time.
That’s real though.
You left out "self taught". He's probably a "Messianic".
Are you a linguist of ancient languages or just some snarky basement dweller?
As a artifact collector, I can say these look totally FAKE.😅
There are ancient mines in that area, and many skeletons were unearthed there. These may not be fake.
They'll never listen 🙄😒
They were very good at covering up the truth. 27 counties and thousands of artifacts? Hehe I smell a cover up.
Have any skilled researchers, not indoctrinated by British, German, Italian academia investigated these relics?😊
"...hey, that's science. The door is always open."
The most honest, most mature, wisest perspective offered
Covering his lies, study his microreactions. He knows there are many that are real...
The door is always open…until Jesus is mentioned 🤔
Demons sure have a severe reaction to only ONE thing 🫃🏻
@@billgates3699 More like it's a common reaction to demonic use of Jesus .
Yeah that guy was my favorite too
The dude who figured out the eclipse tablet almost had me convinced tho
👍@@RAM-tc7xq - Stamps gives off an arrogant scoundrel vibe. Spacey should play him in the movies.
Aswell as being used for sinks slate was also very commonly used for roofing. many of the slate tablets look like obvious roof tiles that still have the nail holes in them. very easy to find at any construction site in the 1890's
All I have to say is that those old hoaxsters were very educated to have come up with fake languages that had such high statistical correlation to actual languages and then put that into actual events. They really put a lot of work into that.
Even a fake language is invented to serve the purposes of facilitating grammatical communication -- a fake language *_will_* have high statistical correlation to existing languages, just due to the fact that it is a language. That's the nature of language, and of statistical correlations. If those old hoaxsters were *_that_* educated, they would have done a better job at weathering the "artifacts" to make the incised lines less fresh and crisp, and if they were *_really_* dedicated, they should have hired another artist to make some of them. As it is, every one of the artifacts shown in this video appears to have been made by the same artisan in the same workshop within the last couple of centuries *_at most_* . Incised lines this shallow would have been erased by the weathering process centuries ago if they were anywhere near as old as claimed.
I think at some point someone thought that the hoaxter guy had found a real artifact and, realizing he could make money, he used the emblems or "letters' from the first one to make more of them to sell.
Creating poor fakes that an expert can figure out at a glance is not a lot of work and doesn't take a high degree of education.
I can't speak to the statistical claims, as I'm not an expert, but neither is the person who claims to have made these statistical correlations, and pseudoscientists are fond of throwing around superficially impressive-sounding "stats" to bamboozle other non-experts.
They look like fake artifacts made by a 4 year old, I can’t believe anyone could be fooled by them.
These artifacts are absolutely one hundred percent true and authentic!
Michigan is a northern part of the ancient Cherokee Indian region and the Indians from Michigan.
In 70AD the ship transfer ing Jews from Jerusalem to Rome was pushed off course and ended its travels in America and in Tennessee the Judah Stone was found in the Whitehead Tennessee caves. Proving the Lost tribes were in America long before any European people and they were the Christian Jews that accepted Jesus as Christ messiah! Michigan is GOD’S Country! Hallelujah my family is Cherokee!
Indians feathered don't believe in monotheism. So how does this imply they were the people?
Truth! These people completely ignore the ancient mines and large skeletons found in this area.
f1s2hg3...Your story of the ship being blown off course and traveling all the way to North America is about as believable as these relics being authentic. For one thing, storms do not last for months & months; the time it would take a sailing ship to travel from the Mediterranean, across the Atlantic and to N. America. Even if a storm in the Mediterranean lasted for a couple of weeks, the ship would have most likely been capsized or destroyed by crashing into land somewhere before making it to the Straits of Gibraltar and on into the Atlantic. And if the ship had survived the storm and made it to land somewhere in the Mediterranean, why would they have loaded up with more food & fresh water and continue to go thru the Straits of Gibraltar and knowingly head out into the Atlantic?? Secondly, the fresh water and food would not have lasted for months. The boat would have only had enough food & water to make it to Rome with a little bit to spare. I could go on & on, but I think I pointed out enough practical and realistic factors.
But a good try anyway. Maybe some of the people who still believe the authenticity of the relics will also believe your story....good luck.
But....after the final destruction of Jerusalem in the year 70 AD, the year you mentioned, and with the scattering ( Diaspora ) of Jews all across the rest of the Mediterranean and even eventually up to England and down to Africa, I think that it was very possible and perhaps probable, that some scattered Jews made it to N. America, long before Columbus and possibly...???... around the general time frame of when Leif Erickson made it to what is now called Newfoundland area ?
So...I'm not saying that Jews never made it to N. America. I'm just politely disagreeing with your blown off course story.
And Santa Claus helped them by pointing the way of the Tooth Fairy!
I don't think the Diffusionists are doing anything useful for themselves by hitching their cause to these artifacts. There are enough verified (Vikings) and likely cases ( like the Kon Tiki thing, theories about the Chinese, Irish etc) It's quite possible in isolated cases. However this doesn't serve their cause. Also did these Copts show up, leave artifacts behind and leave only these traces and no other everyday items or signs of habitation? Or remains that would be distinct from Native Americans?
They can't help but to speak the truth whether it serves their purpose or reveals their self interest
Perhaps they lived in structures that did not survive. Doesn't mean they weren't there.
@@sufyb6432 Maybe aliens abducted them and all their villages and just left behind all the decorated artifacts because they didn't like them. Doesn't mean they weren't there.
Maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe........
Michigan because of the Great lakes was easy to travel copper culture from Michigan ended up in Egypt! End of story!
Source for Michigan copper in Egypt please? Please don’t say Scott Wolters.
These “artifacts” are forged and poorly at that
How did he know where to look? He just dug around randomly and found things that were buried for years? There are no First Nations accounts of people other than themselves. I say fake and point out the daughter's assertion that her father manufactured or manuartifacted his "finds". This way to the egress people.
I’m from MI and lived there for over 30 years and can attest that we’re all full of crap
I live in Illinois, there is a cave in central illinois where he discovered a trove of Egyptian artifacts. I believe he keeps the location secret, although he has shown some of the artifacts. This may also be connected to your collection. Sorry I don’t have more information.
Yes, I heard of this cave on 'Coast to Coast' radio many years ago.
Also deemed a hoax
Burrows Cave
My roots are in what was called "Westsylvania", where the current states of Ohio, PA and WV meet. While visiting there I went to the Moundsville WV state park, just across the river in WV. There it mentioned the "Grave Creek Stone" was found there, which it described as a fake. I thought nothing of it, until I visited "mystery mountain" and personally saw the Los Lunas Decalogue Stone there. I read that was a fake also, and so thought nothing more of it. Then I read about the Bat Creek Stone, which was labeled a fake. Then I found that there are at least eight geographically diverse places in north america where fake hebrew writing was found. I thought, huh, how did that happen? THEN, I read that the University of Haifa in Israel thought the Las Lunas Decalogue to be a classic example of a mezuzah, as used in ancient Samaria (not on a door frame, but carved in stone at the gate/entrance to a property), thought that all the reasons given by US "experts" for calling it a fake were actually what made it authentic, and were only puzzled as to how it got to what is now New Mexico. Hey, I like to quote Shultz: "I know nothing." But something is going on here.
Any links or videos describing what the university in Israel clarified regarding the tablets?
LoL 😂😆 I love Shultz 😊
Get Henrietta Mertz's book called "The Mystic Symbol". It's the story of the Michigan artifacts that she collected in the 1950's. I believe these are authentic and it just didn't 'fit the university narrative' of the day. It still doesn't.
This is the difference, you believe other seek evidence. As there is no evidence that this is anything, but modern creations.
Bet the Smithsonian shut this down like they did the caves full of Egyptian hieroglyphics in the Grand Canyon.
Oh don’t you worry, we’ve got all the stuff.
So show me an egyptian ship and other relics to support the claim.
that and all the human giant bones 🦴
@@TorianTammas The Why Files has a great episode on it. Check it out.
Look out behind you! A UFO is about to abduct you!
“There are notions so foolish that only an intellectual will believe them.” George Orwell
Millions of those oil lamps but no colonists ever traded them to the indians
I know the Book of Mormon is true and I believe the Nephites lived inside of the US, however, I know about Poe’s law. I am of a mind that this is a parody of the BoM. Non-Mormons know a lot about it and they are perfectly able to mock and ridicule us. This is just a very extreme example of it.
I agree most of them are fake but maybe the guy found something real at first and then saw dollar signs. Ten years ago my daughter was tubing on the Muskegon river, she stopped at a small island in the middle of the river. She found what looked like a arrow head with a hole in the bottom. It’s made of stone and looks old.
Humans have been boring holes to make pendants for at least the last 37,000 years. People have found perforated stone artifacts in deposits confidently dated to the Upper Paleolithic.
What was never explained in this story was how did the authentic Roman, dated coins get in Michigan? Those artifacts were not real yet the Roman coins were.
Within 5 seconds Fake! Looks like child drawings.
Christopher Columbus on his voyage to America brought with him a gentleman for one purpose and that was because the gentleman spoke Hebrew. Columbus knew that some of the tribes of Israel had migrated to America.
Artifacts, relics and old world buildings, don't challenge the imagination -- they challenge the accuracy of the historical narrative we were taught.
Obvious hoaxes don't "challenge" anything
I grew up in the Gaylord Michigan area in the 70's before phones and internet. My friends and I spent whole summers fishing and exploring the forest. I nor anyone I know ever find anything.The one cool thing we did find was huge trees bent and all pointing in a line. They were obviously bent hundreds of years ago on purpose directing people to a destination. Sadly most of that area was cut down by loggers.
they were called thong trees
At 39:53, for the evidence of copper smelting. Back during the great depression there was a dam project that was put forth to put people to work and produce electrical energy. The area that was to be flooded once the dam was completed had evidence of ancient copper smelting (on stretched animal hides) leaving permanent marks on the ground which were documented via photography. Later in the late 20th century a shipwreck containing stretched ox-hide shaped copper ingots in the shape matching the photographs taken in the late 1930's early 1940's. I forgot what the Dam project was called, but there was a videos about it on You Tube some years back. There can't have that many massive dam projects in that area during the great depression, it's likely that the photographs could be found in the library of congress.
Those funds were from a later period than that claimed by the people who believe the Michigan artifacts were from the 300s.
Primitive people were modernists compared to his drawings lol.
Wondering if any of the writing matches the writing on the copper plates found in Lovelock cave. Also I seen somewhere about a ancient copper mine in northern Michigan that would have taken thousands of people thousands of years to mine out, but nobody knows who mined it. I find very crude stone tools in and around the rivers and creeks near Cleveland Ohio
You should do a video on the Newberry tablet.
I was born in Newberry MI.
@@au7-721 I'm from St.Ignace.
I’m in Washington state and have found a very large arrow head in a creek here it looks like a a normal looking arrow head but really big and seems super old with crystals in it be nice to find someone that can tell me what it was used for ?
too big for arrows then maybe spear top?
@@dougmoore4653 it’s what I was thinking but very new to this
I looked up the spear heads and arrow heads in my area and it don’t match any of them
@@Grendel1974I have two arrowheads that are crystal looking too. I had only seen those made if flint or slate before. I also found a hexagon shaped rock with indentation in the middle.
I also found 2 iron axe head looking pieces of metal in a river; they are corroding.
Wow, wish I could see it. Sounds fascinating.
The main question is loudly being proclaimed;
WHY are these items NOT part of a town or city?
Mounds are usually the residence of a past living community,
with all the elements of life scattered about.
Love videos like this "experts state this" and yet "idiots disagree" well done folks lets take people and just give them all equal weight on their opinions.
Thank you!
I far as I know there has never been ancient relics that combine several ancient languages bundled together, except the Rosette Stone which simply repeats the same message. The convenient Judeo/Christian symbols seems designed to stir up religious passions & hopes. And finally they just look amateurish & new.
Yeah, and even the Rosetta stone doesn't jumble up the letters.... It's clearly 3 languages written one after another like modern signs in multiple languages.