Heard of me would like to see you get into the possible theories of how Starfleet would have changed with the return of Voyager like all of the advanced Borg technologies and everything else that they had encountered in the Delta quadrant
Tom Paris: "damn we need a shuttle for high pressure atmospheric flights... looks like we have to build one" Aeroshuttle, being docked and unused for the entire show: *sad cat-face"
I agree. As much as I loved ST Voyager, they could have built or modified the Aeroshuttle/Captain's Yacht ship underneath the saucer section and called it the Delta Flyer (keeping much of the original ideas/episodes along with it throughout the series). The special effects teams wouldn't have had to work harder to render it and it would have made sense since the Voyager's hangar had like dozens of shuttles (including Neelix's) as it was.
When I watched ST-V I wondered what the thing was under the saucer I then found out it was a shuttle that they could have been using FROM DAY ONE RATHER THAN THE TINY TYPE 2s!!!!!!!!!
But a functional multi-role utility yacht isn't as exciting as a "Borg-inspired, warp-powered, ultra-responsive hot rod". Childish writers play with childish toys.
@@pwnmeisterage I'm fine with the delta flyer but those diplomatic missions should have been done with the use of the Aeroshuttle. That's literally the purpose it was built for
I knew it wouldn't happen, but I hoped Voyager would gather, adapt and develop some technologies and returns visually barely recognizable as a Starfleet ship and saves DS9 in the nick of time. Even if it was just from 1 Dominion ship that got through.
@@grayscribe1342 That was the original plan of the show. But Paramount consider it too expensive as they would have to be constantly updating sets, exterior shots, and models of the ship. One of the reasons Ronald D. Moore left the show to go work on Battlestar Galactica.
@@apotheases Again something we didn't get wind of on this side of the Atlantic. So much we never heard back then, in a time before the internet was fully functional.
It’s a cool ship but I wish we’d seen its construction more spread out over a few episodes and take significant effort, so it would mean more when it finally makes its debut.
@Darth Revan Considering the Intrepid Class is supposed to be a long range vessel, it would actually make sense for it to have an industrial replicator on board
@@codec862 well I think that at first they didn't have one, hence why they originally said they couldn't make more photon torpedoes, but Starfleet engineers have been said to turn "rocks into replicators", and building one would hardly be the most outlandish thing Starfleet engineers have accomplished.
@@battlesheep2552 I don't have a problem with that in theory, but they really should have had an episode dedicated to building or obtaining the equipment to make things like shuttle parts and photon torpedoes, rather than just suddenly going from being unable to produce torpedoes to being able to make infinite shuttlecraft.
It's the quintessential embodiment of Voyager: Doesn't make a ton of sense and capable of doing whatever the writers need it to do this week which was impossible last week.
@@Huskerfanman-g9e It was definitely an occasionally rare thing in the earlier series but Voyager took it to a new level. There's a super cut of all the contradictions somewhere
@@bloodforrugbyify I'd argue it was pretty well justified if one took a step back and looked at it logically, Voyager was exposed to many new technologies and breakthroughs while in the delta-quadrant many of which they couldn't always make use of for the ship itself due to impact to other systems. The Delta Flyer being a ground up new shuttle would have all owed them to fix those issues in some cases, utilize technologies and integrate in a more effective manner, especially the Borg technology that Voyager obtained in the fight against Species 8472 and the Flyer made heavy use of.
I would definitely fly a Delta Flyer if I could. While the automated controls of Starfleet's vessels are impressive, I've always considered really nice buttons, triggers, and gimbals layed out with advanced intuitive macros to be the future, especially if they're solid holograms. EC Henry did a great video about why the transparent holograms are terrible. having a high performance vessel is just so much more fun too, though it seems people have decided that capital ships like the Galaxy class should just be able to turn on a dime like it weighs as much as a Delta Flyer.
Perhaps later versions of the design, or ships "inspired" by the Delta Flyer, so that it becomes a new standard class in StarFleet - the _high performance large shuttle/small starship_ that's more *combat explorer* than the Runabout class, which is more a general workhorse.
@@xymaryai8283 due to the extreme precision required to control a craft that accelerates at thousands of gravities and typically travels at a significant fraction of the speed of light I think analog controls are pretty impractical for a normal person. Sure you can use them to activate macros like you said but at that point there wouldn't be much advantage over using touchscreens apart from the fun factor. Also, due to the lack of air resistance a larger and heavier ship can be just as agile as a smaller ship if it has the engine power to match, so it isn't outlandish that a ship can maneuver as well as a shuttle (in fact universes like star wars where larger ships move ponderously and fighters zip around don't match up to the reality)
Lore Reloaded is a CBS shill who bashes old trek, i stopped watching him when he got Woke in late 2020 and made a few vidoes praising season 3 of Discovery and heaping praise on Kathleen kennedy
@@RealBadGaming52 I have to agree. Lore Reloaded is a one tick pony, he knows TNG, DS9, and Voyager very well, but he admits to having never really watched or being familiar with the original Star Trek. Over time I have lost a lot of my respect for him. He was always very left of center and even before 2020 he was pretty woke. I remember at the end of one of his videos he had a clip that made fun of Christians, thats ok, im an old South Park and Dave Chapel fan, but that also means that you then pick on everyone else equally, if your going to make fun of Christians, then also make fun of Jewish people, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and all the others. Picking only on Christians is cowardly in our new normal of systemic and institutional Christian phobia, and it really showed his true character. And Im someone who no longer believes in Christianity, so I was not offended, I was just very very disappointed. Then a couple of years later I was watching a live stream of his, I was giving him a second chance, and he was a complete dick head. He had a problem with one viewer and went into a rant about how that viewer should be so successful to have 112 views of their live stream. I was like "Wow" this guy is full of himself. Again I was very disappointed in him. He is a smart guy but he is stuck in his little corner of fandum and I think he is afraid to venture out of it. He relies on the small bit of trivia he knows, not on learning anything else, not on any other franchise but Star Trek. For me I go to this channel and a few other good channels for Sci fi stuff and I'm a big fan of Nerdrotic and AZ and the gang of Friday night tights, which I think is really a group of people that speak for the old tried and true fandom of Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel and DC comics, Dr. Who and may other franchises which are under assault by the culture destroying and fan hating cult of Woke in Hollywood, Entertainment, the press and other institutions.
I also wish they would have referenced the aeroshuttle. Even a toss away line like "they didn't get a chance to install one back in the alpha quadrant"
VOY had quite a few killer eps such as “Living Witness” and “Timeless”. And something I appreciate more now is that the crew felt like one big happy family. It was reassuring and comforting. Compare that to the dysfunctional garbage that comes out of Kurtzman Trek...
"I would also like to know how the interior of the delta fits." The answer is that it fits poorly: the cockpit set of the Flyer wouldn't fit into the ship, given it's dimensions. Also, on a related note, the DF doesn't fit well in the hangar bay of Voyager, either. I was being Laconic with my one-word answer.
@@master5gamingandotherstuff490 What advancement? The Federation was still using regular warp drive hundreds of years after in the future according to Discovery. Probably all faster than regular warp tech from Voyager was probably declared illegal because most of it came from the future. In fact on Picard no holograms were using mobile emitters because that was future tech.
Agreed. The writers and producers just couldn't commit to the show's most fundamental premise: Voyager is far from home, stranded in unknown (likely hostile) territory, and the crew have limited supplies, no support, and may never see their friends and family again. Great! Let's dust off these leftover scripts from TNG and see which Alpha Quadrant guest stars we can wedge in this week.
@@RealBadGaming52 Voyager was supposed to be far from home all alone with few to no resources. But after a few episodes they dropped it completly. Unlimited torpedoes no real energy concerns except for one or two episodes. The Delta Flyer is the manifastation of that. Unlimited resources, an technological masterpiece created in the field without Starfleet and even worse once destroyed they were able to rebuild it within one or two episodes.
Danube couldn't win as many "space obstacle course" races. And wasn't as agile and slippery in a dogfight. But it didn't need to be - it was a thicc little ship and it could be reconfigured with all sorts of modular functions.
@@pwnmeisterage Yea, like some of the strongest plot shield generators in starfleet. When it had main characters aboard, that thing was more durable than a galaxy class.
@@zoro115-s6b True. Although a solid F350 pickup or Humvee truck is just going to be more robust and durable than any million dollar muscle/sports car, no matter who's driving.
It had a pretty decent range of stuff that it could do, so I'm sure that they at least considered it. Questions would include how much work would have to go into building and fixing the things compared to standard runabouts. If a Delta Flyer needs a lot of fine-tuning to work properly (like the sort of high-end sports car that inspired it), you needn't use it in mission profiles where a Danube would do just as well. Would you get a Porsche 911 with all the bells and whistles and then use it only to drive to and from work every day? Traffic jams and whatnot? That'd be a waste of money and engineering.
I use to think that, and don’t get me wrong I love certain games with just controllers but- the game pad v keyboard debate does come in to play here, and while keyboards are less easy to learn- it does seem that the evidence suggests, at least for human reaction time and hands, the touchscreens in Star Trek probably would produce better controls
I always thought that it was normal for starfleet ships to constantly be on autopilot, with the pilot making corrections to the flight path rather than directly controlling the vessel.
@4one14 In the last few years the U.S. Navy switched back to physical controls on some destroyers. The touchscreens were harder to use and contributed to some accidents.
It's important to note that one of the main situations touchscreens don't work is when your fingers are sweaty; which is the LAST thing you want for the controls of something you're flying into combat.
Voyager had my favorite StarFleet ships in it, from the Nova Class to the Prometheus Class, but the Delta Flyer is the one I love the most and would be my ship of choice if I could have one.
"the first delta flier was destroyed, then immediately replaced by an identical craft, called the delta flier II" "how did you get the materials to do that?" "shut up."
Given @ 1:39 the wreckage the battle is taking place through and the ability to find it means plenty of processed materials to salvage. Also Voyager traded with space faring people.
The equivalent of "The Blackbird" from BSG for me. Absolutely love purpose built craft being constructed within hero ships, just so cool. Love the Delta Flyer!
I love comparing the ridiculous premise of ST:V Delta Flyer to the BSG's Blackbird. Tyrol had to scrounge for parts to build it with an entire fleet of ships and it performed amazingly, Paris magics a super advanced shuttle craft from magic Borg dust on one ship trapped in the middle of nowhere.
I'll bet the Delta Flyer was one of the first things Tom Paris showed to his father Admiral Paris after they returned home and introducing the Admiral to his grand daughter and Daughter in Law former Maquis member Lt. Bellana Torres.
If I recall, the construction of the delta flyer took a lot of resources and required Voyager to divert a lot of time and energy to its construction. It wasn't built from nothing, it was built from replicated matter that requires energy provided by the warp core consuming dilithium which at many times was in short supply.
This ship, and the chief engineer who helped design it, are two of my very favourite things in this world, and have been for nearly a quarter of a century. Thank you, Daniel.
The thing I never got about Voyagers hanger (besides it’s infinite shuttles) is how there’s only room for like one shuttle to launch at the time I assume there’s some sort of flight deck elevator but even then...the hull under it isn’t much deeper or wider on each side On the OTHER hand if the delta is like 15m, I think a few of the shots of it leaving the 343m voyager maaaaaay have been a bit...out of scale
Super advanced shuttle craft built in the middle of nowhere on a ship where resources are suppose to be scarce, yet another of Voyagers glaring issues.
the scarce resources issue they eventually dealt with when the managed to make mining equipment and the other stuff that a self sufficient ship should have from the start.
As a kid after watching the episode in which the Delta Flyer was build, I wanted to see additional detachable section's added to Voyagers 'saucer section' and secondary hull. That way in battle she could have a form of the Prometheus's Multi-Vector Assault Mode and have a small flotilla to protect the main ship. Why I thought they could do this; how many shuttles did we see destroyed, not including Flyers and how many torpedo's fired?!
The thing that I like about the ships of the line in Star Trek is they always seem to have enough space dedicated to things like engins, weapons, etc. But the shuttles are completely the opposite. They have everything built into them, but are just hollow boxes with a couple of seats. If you've got a power system, life supports, sensors and weapons it all has to go somewhere.
That always bothered me too. In TNG, shuttles were sub-light short distance craft. Then one day they maybe sorta added warp drives... somehow, without taking up any space for antimatter containment, etc.
There's actually a lot of evidence that fighters are worth it in Star Trek. The scene in TNG where the Enterprise destroys a bunch of small drones with a single phaser volley often gets brought up as demonstrating that no fighter-like craft could ever survive in Star Trek, but those drones were vastly technologically outmatched, and there's been a lot more instances of ships completely missing targets that are far larger and slower than a fighter.
@@zoro115-s6b But you also need to consider Operation Return from Ds9, in which 9 waves of Starfleet fighters were destroyed as Starfleet attempted to open a hole in the Cardassian formation. Consider also that a single Galaxy Class ship has routed a squadron of Maquis fighters with photon torpedo detonations (TNG: Preemptive Strike). I would say that fighters are present in Trek, but their role is minimal in starship combat due to their inability to produce equivalent power, and power generation in Trek is generally expressed as speed, defense, and firepower. Larger ships also carry more powerful sensors, which means better distance for weapon arcs and greater accuracy. So, fighter-sized craft are inferior in speed, defense, power, range, and sensor accuracy. The only category in which they might excel is maneuverability (but with inertial dampeners, ships like the Defiant can excel in this category too) but even this can be mitigated by a starship's superior range and sensor accuracy.
@@Acrosurge The fighters in operation return were, in my opinion, being grossly misused. Which isn't surprising given starfleet being (theoretically) an organization dedicated to exploration first and warfare second. Obviously throwing a cloud of fighters against a capital ship unescorted is a bad idea, but in a fleet engagement, groups of fighters can definitely play a role, particularly in keeping enemies from focusing their shields on one quarter. There's also the bird of prey, which, while not exactly what's traditionally considered a fighter, is definitely fighter-like. The fact that ships with that same fundamental design philosophy remained a mainstay of the Klingon navy for over a century, and that the Defiant is essentially a federation bird of prey, says a lot about the effectiveness of fast, nimble ships in Star Trek.
When they let a fighter pilot design a jet, we got the F-16. A thoroughbred fighter that ultimately became one of the most successful aircraft ever designed. I guess the Delta flyer was Star Treks version of that. I always liked the delta.
One of my favorite shuttles out of All Star Trek and especially because once you learn how complicated this thing was built. And how smart it was built you can appreciate that one engineer in Starfleet while they were designing the Voyager who put the industrial replicator just in the unlikely event they would need it. So I bet that one engineer got a promotion. And Starfleet that one engineer who was smart enough to put an industrial replicator. And you have to give props to lieutenant Paris for putting in buttons and levers. Why did he add buttons and levers well when you're in danger what's not going to fail on you you're a dashboard that requires power or buttons an levers. It gave it that Star Trek Enterprise feeling of when the nx-01 Enterprise had to use buttons and levers.
You guys should do videos on the show Battletech and later the games Mech Warrior. Drop Ships, Jump Ships, Mechs. I'm you guys will figure out the details.
they outright state they were when they got the issue of not having enough energy and raw materials either from replication or extraction. the ship wasn't designed to be self sufficient so they had to build the infrastructure on board for mining materials and harvesting energy.
Delta Flyer is cool, and a great subtle nod/solution to Voyagers "shuttle Problem". But damn, I wish we saw the Aeroshuttle a bit. (ALSO I THINK VOYAGER IS PRETTY GREAT)
Any info on how the technology/ concept was used in star fleet once voyager got back to the alpha quadrant? Star Trek doesn’t use fighters, but if it did, ships like the delta flyer, would be a nice idea. Construct a star trek carrier ship in that transports these fighter to a battle. Just an idea.
Since Voyager brought the schematics to Earth, did the Delta Flyer see any use later on? I mean the design looks really neat and like something any larger research vessel and starbase could put to great use.
A long haul (more than 24 hour mission) shuttle design to fill the gap between a full on runabout and a class II minivan really was needed. Not that design exactly, but it di have some really good parts, like bunks instead of sleeping in your seat while you sputter around in a space minivan.
Hey Spacedock. Harmony Gold and Tatsunoko made peace. Are you going to include something about Macross-Robotech here? I mean, to help to revive the old school.
They *do* have replicators Even if voyager wasn't launched with a industrial one it's likely normal shipboard replicators could produce one given time and resources. Bit like starting with a hammer and slowly making yourself better tools
Ah yes,Voyager and its shuttle "complement". Actually how many shuttles did the Voyager even have? It seemed no matter how many were damaged/destroyed/rendered inoperable,another one would mysteriously materialize in the shuttle bay... However,the Delta Flyer does look real dope,I'll give it that.
The Flyer always seemed like a ture multipurpose design that could fill several roles once Voyager got back. Even without all the Borg upgrades. Scout, planetary defense & law enforcement, courier, covert ops, transport both official and civilian.
Would be great to see more of the Delta Flyer or derivatives or evolutions in future expanded in the wider franchise. It’s so much better than the standard shuttles and would be a solid addition to Starfleet, alongside the runabout class
The idea that Voyager was capable of even building such a prototype while falling short on other resources is absurd, but the Delta Flyer was (to me) a better plot device than the Danube runabout. I don't hate the runabout. I love it, but using an RV to get some time off the station seems too mundane to play a tactical role as it has. Surely a station would have true starships (of the line) around to accommodate DS9's needs when the area was so strategically important. The Delta Flyer was something more extreme than an F-22, that some pilot built in his garage in his spare time. Brilliant but absurd
You forgot to mention or even reference the Plot Armour(optional Equipment) installed during the Construction of the Delta Flyer..... It's a VITAL FEATURE that was heavily represented on the Show, yet you never even bothered to bring it up, WHY???
Great content. Haven't you guys from Spacedock thought of reviewing ships from Traveller rpg? They have a legacy of 40 years by now. Might be an interesting watch!
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Ships of Ender's game are pretty interesting. New breakdown is required.
Awesome design.
Heard of me would like to see you get into the possible theories of how Starfleet would have changed with the return of Voyager like all of the advanced Borg technologies and everything else that they had encountered in the Delta quadrant
Tom Paris: "damn we need a shuttle for high pressure atmospheric flights... looks like we have to build one"
Aeroshuttle, being docked and unused for the entire show: *sad cat-face"
I agree. As much as I loved ST Voyager, they could have built or modified the Aeroshuttle/Captain's Yacht ship underneath the saucer section and called it the Delta Flyer (keeping much of the original ideas/episodes along with it throughout the series). The special effects teams wouldn't have had to work harder to render it and it would have made sense since the Voyager's hangar had like dozens of shuttles (including Neelix's) as it was.
When I watched ST-V I wondered what the thing was under the saucer I then found out it was a shuttle that they could have been using FROM DAY ONE RATHER THAN THE TINY TYPE 2s!!!!!!!!!
But a functional multi-role utility yacht isn't as exciting as a "Borg-inspired, warp-powered, ultra-responsive hot rod".
Childish writers play with childish toys.
@@pwnmeisterage I'm fine with the delta flyer but those diplomatic missions should have been done with the use of the Aeroshuttle. That's literally the purpose it was built for
I'm glad other people know about this. Not using the AS was such a voyager thing to do.
I wish Voyager having to develop new technologies to deal with them being stranded in the Delta quadrant was a more prominent feature of the show.
Yes
I knew it wouldn't happen, but I hoped Voyager would gather, adapt and develop some technologies and returns visually barely recognizable as a Starfleet ship and saves DS9 in the nick of time. Even if it was just from 1 Dominion ship that got through.
@@grayscribe1342 That was the original plan of the show. But Paramount consider it too expensive as they would have to be constantly updating sets, exterior shots, and models of the ship. One of the reasons Ronald D. Moore left the show to go work on Battlestar Galactica.
I miss a Star Trek show like Voyager.
@@apotheases Again something we didn't get wind of on this side of the Atlantic. So much we never heard back then, in a time before the internet was fully functional.
It’s a cool ship but I wish we’d seen its construction more spread out over a few episodes and take significant effort, so it would mean more when it finally makes its debut.
agree
@Darth Revan Considering the Intrepid Class is supposed to be a long range vessel, it would actually make sense for it to have an industrial replicator on board
@@codec862 well I think that at first they didn't have one, hence why they originally said they couldn't make more photon torpedoes, but Starfleet engineers have been said to turn "rocks into replicators", and building one would hardly be the most outlandish thing Starfleet engineers have accomplished.
@@battlesheep2552 I don't have a problem with that in theory, but they really should have had an episode dedicated to building or obtaining the equipment to make things like shuttle parts and photon torpedoes, rather than just suddenly going from being unable to produce torpedoes to being able to make infinite shuttlecraft.
Kinda like the blackbird from BSG, shame how she went out so unceremoniously, but you gotta admit, the buildup to her reveal was huge lol
The Delta Flyer is the literal "Big things come in small packages" with everything that it can do and equipped with.
It's the quintessential embodiment of Voyager: Doesn't make a ton of sense and capable of doing whatever the writers need it to do this week which was impossible last week.
The writers’ answer to “We’re tired of crashing a shuttle every week”
Isnt that pretty much all of star trek lol
@@Huskerfanman-g9e It was definitely an occasionally rare thing in the earlier series but Voyager took it to a new level. There's a super cut of all the contradictions somewhere
@@bloodforrugbyify I'd argue it was pretty well justified if one took a step back and looked at it logically, Voyager was exposed to many new technologies and breakthroughs while in the delta-quadrant many of which they couldn't always make use of for the ship itself due to impact to other systems.
The Delta Flyer being a ground up new shuttle would have all owed them to fix those issues in some cases, utilize technologies and integrate in a more effective manner, especially the Borg technology that Voyager obtained in the fight against Species 8472 and the Flyer made heavy use of.
I'd like to see more Delta Flyer Class Shuttles in upcoming continuity.
In Star Trek Online's continuity, they are widely available.
I wonder if the USS Titan has one. I think it was launched one year after Voyager returned home.
I would definitely fly a Delta Flyer if I could. While the automated controls of Starfleet's vessels are impressive, I've always considered really nice buttons, triggers, and gimbals layed out with advanced intuitive macros to be the future, especially if they're solid holograms. EC Henry did a great video about why the transparent holograms are terrible.
having a high performance vessel is just so much more fun too, though it seems people have decided that capital ships like the Galaxy class should just be able to turn on a dime like it weighs as much as a Delta Flyer.
Perhaps later versions of the design, or ships "inspired" by the Delta Flyer, so that it becomes a new standard class in StarFleet - the _high performance large shuttle/small starship_ that's more *combat explorer* than the Runabout class, which is more a general workhorse.
@@xymaryai8283 due to the extreme precision required to control a craft that accelerates at thousands of gravities and typically travels at a significant fraction of the speed of light I think analog controls are pretty impractical for a normal person. Sure you can use them to activate macros like you said but at that point there wouldn't be much advantage over using touchscreens apart from the fun factor. Also, due to the lack of air resistance a larger and heavier ship can be just as agile as a smaller ship if it has the engine power to match, so it isn't outlandish that a ship can maneuver as well as a shuttle (in fact universes like star wars where larger ships move ponderously and fighters zip around don't match up to the reality)
I've literally only just realised the Delta flyer is named after the quadrant, I've watched Voyager through twice...
In one of the Voyager novels (Homecoming or Farther Shore) there was a shuttle named like the the DF piloted by Chakotay called the Alpha Flyer
It's funny how odd details that should be obvious can sometimes escape us.
Paris: Computer, add dynamometric tailfins.
Tuvoc: Computer, remove dynamometric tailfins.
We are not designing a hot-rod
in Tuvoc defense, aerodynamics means nothing in space.
@@zuzoscorner The origin of the craft is for high pressure flight so you do need aerodynamics at the time of construction.
@@zuzoscorner One of the primary purposes of a shuttle craft is to operate in an atmosphere, so that's kind of a moot point.
Star Trek Picard: fuck you, Tuvok - ADD IT ALL TO CART!!
Tom Paris is a classic car lover and it is that love that gave us the Delta Flyer and we thank him for it.
Spacedock: Gives the Delta Flyer the praise and tribute it deserves.
Lore Reloaded: It cwashed.
Lore Reloaded is just a big BRUUH
So did the Galileo. Twice.
And it likely didn't receive the respect that she deserved. 😒 😕 😪 🙄
Lore Reloaded is a CBS shill who bashes old trek, i stopped watching him when he got Woke in late 2020 and made a few vidoes praising season 3 of Discovery and heaping praise on Kathleen kennedy
@@RealBadGaming52 I have to agree. Lore Reloaded is a one tick pony, he knows TNG, DS9, and Voyager very well, but he admits to having never really watched or being familiar with the original Star Trek. Over time I have lost a lot of my respect for him. He was always very left of center and even before 2020 he was pretty woke. I remember at the end of one of his videos he had a clip that made fun of Christians, thats ok, im an old South Park and Dave Chapel fan, but that also means that you then pick on everyone else equally, if your going to make fun of Christians, then also make fun of Jewish people, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and all the others. Picking only on Christians is cowardly in our new normal of systemic and institutional Christian phobia, and it really showed his true character. And Im someone who no longer believes in Christianity, so I was not offended, I was just very very disappointed. Then a couple of years later I was watching a live stream of his, I was giving him a second chance, and he was a complete dick head. He had a problem with one viewer and went into a rant about how that viewer should be so successful to have 112 views of their live stream. I was like "Wow" this guy is full of himself. Again I was very disappointed in him. He is a smart guy but he is stuck in his little corner of fandum and I think he is afraid to venture out of it. He relies on the small bit of trivia he knows, not on learning anything else, not on any other franchise but Star Trek. For me I go to this channel and a few other good channels for Sci fi stuff and I'm a big fan of Nerdrotic and AZ and the gang of Friday night tights, which I think is really a group of people that speak for the old tried and true fandom of Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel and DC comics, Dr. Who and may other franchises which are under assault by the culture destroying and fan hating cult of Woke in Hollywood, Entertainment, the press and other institutions.
@@scottperry7311 WELL SAID
I also wish they would have referenced the aeroshuttle. Even a toss away line like "they didn't get a chance to install one back in the alpha quadrant"
It was going to be finished on Tuesday.
I actually quite like Voyager...
**runs away**
Why ? It was watchable and still had the vibe , make me a new voyager anytime over the drek we have currently
I grew up watching Voyager as a kid and I've always loved it. (Dont ask me why it was playing after school back then)
VOY had quite a few killer eps such as “Living Witness” and “Timeless”. And something I appreciate more now is that the crew felt like one big happy family. It was reassuring and comforting. Compare that to the dysfunctional garbage that comes out of Kurtzman Trek...
"Well guys... we got another one!"... Grabs pitchfork and torch. "Get Em!" ;)
@@thomasloyal4525, Star Drek.
Finally a delta flyer episode!
And you did it perfectly!
I would also like to know how the interior of the delta fits.
The borg would be envious of their perfection if they could feel envy 😂
@@darth368 if you think about it the borg's whole character is being envious of every species.
Poorly!
@@TheZetaKai What do you mean by that
"I would also like to know how the interior of the delta fits."
The answer is that it fits poorly: the cockpit set of the Flyer wouldn't fit into the ship, given it's dimensions. Also, on a related note, the DF doesn't fit well in the hangar bay of Voyager, either.
I was being Laconic with my one-word answer.
I'd love to have seen a episode or something that talked about impact of Voyager technology on federation
I think that's where a lot of the tech advancements seen in Star Trek Picard came from.
I believe they do some of this in the Star Trek Online game. Having tech like Quantum Slipstream etc
@@master5gamingandotherstuff490 What advancement? The Federation was still using regular warp drive hundreds of years after in the future according to Discovery. Probably all faster than regular warp tech from Voyager was probably declared illegal because most of it came from the future. In fact on Picard no holograms were using mobile emitters because that was future tech.
@@TheMrPeteChannel Yeah, Picard didn't show anything that wasn't a logical evolution of technology in TNG and DS9
@@TheMrPeteChannel they also used slipstream and the Borg transwarp, scarcely fuelled and super dangerous respectively.
The Delta flyer represents also everything that was wasted with Voyagers setting
Agreed. The writers and producers just couldn't commit to the show's most fundamental premise: Voyager is far from home, stranded in unknown (likely hostile) territory, and the crew have limited supplies, no support, and may never see their friends and family again.
Great! Let's dust off these leftover scripts from TNG and see which Alpha Quadrant guest stars we can wedge in this week.
Explain !
@@RealBadGaming52 Voyager was supposed to be far from home all alone with few to no resources.
But after a few episodes they dropped it completly. Unlimited torpedoes no real energy concerns except for one or two episodes.
The Delta Flyer is the manifastation of that.
Unlimited resources, an technological masterpiece created in the field without Starfleet and even worse once destroyed they were able to rebuild it within one or two episodes.
Easily one of my favorite Star Trek ships. It's like the Millennium Falcon of Star Trek.
It’s an impressive shuttle but I just love the Danube class.
Danube couldn't win as many "space obstacle course" races. And wasn't as agile and slippery in a dogfight.
But it didn't need to be - it was a thicc little ship and it could be reconfigured with all sorts of modular functions.
@@pwnmeisterage Yea, like some of the strongest plot shield generators in starfleet. When it had main characters aboard, that thing was more durable than a galaxy class.
@@zoro115-s6b True. Although a solid F350 pickup or Humvee truck is just going to be more robust and durable than any million dollar muscle/sports car, no matter who's driving.
@@pwnmeisterage A galaxy class Vs. a Danube seems less like a humvee Vs. a sports car and more like a humvee Vs. an Iowa-class battleship.
@@pwnmeisterage Danube: can't fly round obstacles.
Also Danube: Flies thru obstacles!
I still wonder if Starfleet mass produced the Delta Flyer when Voyager returned to Earth
In STO they are available as a small craft and as a hangar pet.
@@Janoha17 STO?
@@AlexSDU Star Trek Online
@@AlexSDU Star Trek Online, the Star Trek MMO.
It had a pretty decent range of stuff that it could do, so I'm sure that they at least considered it. Questions would include how much work would have to go into building and fixing the things compared to standard runabouts. If a Delta Flyer needs a lot of fine-tuning to work properly (like the sort of high-end sports car that inspired it), you needn't use it in mission profiles where a Danube would do just as well. Would you get a Porsche 911 with all the bells and whistles and then use it only to drive to and from work every day? Traffic jams and whatnot? That'd be a waste of money and engineering.
I really missed these videos, they're always great.
Probably the best ship in starfleet to fly, since it has actual usable controls instead of a touchscreen.
I use to think that, and don’t get me wrong I love certain games with just controllers but- the game pad v keyboard debate does come in to play here, and while keyboards are less easy to learn- it does seem that the evidence suggests, at least for human reaction time and hands, the touchscreens in Star Trek probably would produce better controls
Well the Enterprise E had a joystick for Riker to get his dirty hands around.
I always thought that it was normal for starfleet ships to constantly be on autopilot, with the pilot making corrections to the flight path rather than directly controlling the vessel.
@4one14 In the last few years the U.S. Navy switched back to physical controls on some destroyers. The touchscreens were harder to use and contributed to some accidents.
It's important to note that one of the main situations touchscreens don't work is when your fingers are sweaty; which is the LAST thing you want for the controls of something you're flying into combat.
I often thought it would be great if the built a prometheus sized delta flyer or at least defiant size one
Gorgeous ship,still wish they used the aeroshuttle.
I love your videos they make me happy😃
Wow very nicely done to the crew of Voyager it's an excellent craft you all managed to build
Voyager had my favorite StarFleet ships in it, from the Nova Class to the Prometheus Class, but the Delta Flyer is the one I love the most and would be my ship of choice if I could have one.
"the first delta flier was destroyed, then immediately replaced by an identical craft, called the delta flier II"
"how did you get the materials to do that?"
"shut up."
Replicators and rocks, baby, replicators and rocks.
Asteroids, use your imagination son!
Given @ 1:39 the wreckage the battle is taking place through and the ability to find it means plenty of processed materials to salvage. Also Voyager traded with space faring people.
@@rommdan2716 I think "use your imagination" is a good way of describing Voyager in general.
@@lamalien2276 The story didn't need to explain that, You all are just nickpicking
OT, and not at all a criticism, but it always makes me smile when someone from the UK says lef-tenant instead of the more american lieutenant.
My favorite ST Shuttle. Unlike all other ST shuttles it actually looks cool!
Imagine if they had the delta flyers during the Dominion War! Hunting in packs alongside and supporting 3-5 defiant class ships…WOW!
The equivalent of "The Blackbird" from BSG for me. Absolutely love purpose built craft being constructed within hero ships, just so cool. Love the Delta Flyer!
I had never noticed it popped its warp nacelles out!
So, no word about how a disgraced pilot stuck in the delta quadrant is able to do a better job than all of Starfleets best starship engineers?
Desperation can do wonders, especially for those who are lost & isolated in a foreign quadrant.
I love comparing the ridiculous premise of ST:V Delta Flyer to the BSG's Blackbird. Tyrol had to scrounge for parts to build it with an entire fleet of ships and it performed amazingly, Paris magics a super advanced shuttle craft from magic Borg dust on one ship trapped in the middle of nowhere.
Hey @Spacedock (Daniel), you should do more real world ships, but if not that then do the 'Pathfinder Shuttle' from 'For All Mankind'
I'll bet the Delta Flyer was one of the first things Tom Paris showed to his father Admiral Paris after they returned home and introducing the Admiral to his grand daughter and Daughter in Law former Maquis member Lt. Bellana Torres.
Star trek Ship Breakdowns are always great.
I always wondered, if you could build such a cool little ship from nothing, why would the Voyager crew stop at the Delta Flyer?
Because the budget was not big enough to include "star trek armada".
If I recall, the construction of the delta flyer took a lot of resources and required Voyager to divert a lot of time and energy to its construction. It wasn't built from nothing, it was built from replicated matter that requires energy provided by the warp core consuming dilithium which at many times was in short supply.
So much equipment crammed into this little thing, it must be bigger on the inside...
And it has not a single toilet.
Amazing in depth video as always. 10/10 and fantastic work.
I really loved the bridge design of this ship.
This ship, and the chief engineer who helped design it, are two of my very favourite things in this world, and have been for nearly a quarter of a century.
Thank you, Daniel.
favorite
One of my favorite small craft in all of Star Trek.
The thing I never got about Voyagers hanger (besides it’s infinite shuttles) is how there’s only room for like one shuttle to launch at the time
I assume there’s some sort of flight deck elevator but even then...the hull under it isn’t much deeper or wider on each side
On the OTHER hand if the delta is like 15m, I think a few of the shots of it leaving the 343m voyager maaaaaay have been a bit...out of scale
Fantastic video of a fantastic ship. "Its the Delta Flyer by a nose"!
Voyager may have been all about improbable and OP technology but it did have some neat designs.
Super advanced shuttle craft built in the middle of nowhere on a ship where resources are suppose to be scarce, yet another of Voyagers glaring issues.
the scarce resources issue they eventually dealt with when the managed to make mining equipment and the other stuff that a self sufficient ship should have from the start.
Thank you for this, I love the Delta!
As a kid after watching the episode in which the Delta Flyer was build, I wanted to see additional detachable section's added to Voyagers 'saucer section' and secondary hull. That way in battle she could have a form of the Prometheus's Multi-Vector Assault Mode and have a small flotilla to protect the main ship. Why I thought they could do this; how many shuttles did we see destroyed, not including Flyers and how many torpedo's fired?!
Nice! One of my favorite Star Trek ships!
The runabouts and Delta Flyers are my favorite star fleet shuttlecraft.
The thing that I like about the ships of the line in Star Trek is they always seem to have enough space dedicated to things like engins, weapons, etc. But the shuttles are completely the opposite. They have everything built into them, but are just hollow boxes with a couple of seats. If you've got a power system, life supports, sensors and weapons it all has to go somewhere.
That always bothered me too. In TNG, shuttles were sub-light short distance craft. Then one day they maybe sorta added warp drives... somehow, without taking up any space for antimatter containment, etc.
She reminds me alot of the craft that Data flew in the TNG movie.
The sexiest shuttle among all shuttles.
Delta Flyer: the first shot fired that Fighters are worth it in Star Trek. Its descendants would be even tougher.
There's actually a lot of evidence that fighters are worth it in Star Trek. The scene in TNG where the Enterprise destroys a bunch of small drones with a single phaser volley often gets brought up as demonstrating that no fighter-like craft could ever survive in Star Trek, but those drones were vastly technologically outmatched, and there's been a lot more instances of ships completely missing targets that are far larger and slower than a fighter.
@@zoro115-s6b example: the Enterprise somehow repeatedly failing to hit an *uncloaked* romulan battleship
@@vaelophisnyx9873 Electronic warfare is a real bastard like that.
@@zoro115-s6b But you also need to consider Operation Return from Ds9, in which 9 waves of Starfleet fighters were destroyed as Starfleet attempted to open a hole in the Cardassian formation. Consider also that a single Galaxy Class ship has routed a squadron of Maquis fighters with photon torpedo detonations (TNG: Preemptive Strike).
I would say that fighters are present in Trek, but their role is minimal in starship combat due to their inability to produce equivalent power, and power generation in Trek is generally expressed as speed, defense, and firepower. Larger ships also carry more powerful sensors, which means better distance for weapon arcs and greater accuracy. So, fighter-sized craft are inferior in speed, defense, power, range, and sensor accuracy. The only category in which they might excel is maneuverability (but with inertial dampeners, ships like the Defiant can excel in this category too) but even this can be mitigated by a starship's superior range and sensor accuracy.
@@Acrosurge The fighters in operation return were, in my opinion, being grossly misused. Which isn't surprising given starfleet being (theoretically) an organization dedicated to exploration first and warfare second.
Obviously throwing a cloud of fighters against a capital ship unescorted is a bad idea, but in a fleet engagement, groups of fighters can definitely play a role, particularly in keeping enemies from focusing their shields on one quarter.
There's also the bird of prey, which, while not exactly what's traditionally considered a fighter, is definitely fighter-like. The fact that ships with that same fundamental design philosophy remained a mainstay of the Klingon navy for over a century, and that the Defiant is essentially a federation bird of prey, says a lot about the effectiveness of fast, nimble ships in Star Trek.
Love the Delta Flyer such a cool spacecraft!! Excellent breakdown! 😀🖖🏽
When they let a fighter pilot design a jet, we got the F-16. A thoroughbred fighter that ultimately became one of the most successful aircraft ever designed. I guess the Delta flyer was Star Treks version of that. I always liked the delta.
One of my favorite shuttles out of All Star Trek and especially because once you learn how complicated this thing was built. And how smart it was built you can appreciate that one engineer in Starfleet while they were designing the Voyager who put the industrial replicator just in the unlikely event they would need it.
So I bet that one engineer got a promotion. And Starfleet that one engineer who was smart enough to put an industrial replicator. And you have to give props to lieutenant Paris for putting in buttons and levers.
Why did he add buttons and levers well when you're in danger what's not going to fail on you you're a dashboard that requires power or buttons an levers.
It gave it that Star Trek Enterprise feeling of when the nx-01 Enterprise had to use buttons and levers.
Been waiting for this one!
So does Voyager have a Tardis for it's shuttle bay if it could hold this, Neelix's ship, AND a full compliment of Type 2 shuttles?
To be fair,the whole reason for the Delta Flyer was that Voyager went through shuttles the same way 💩went through 🦢.
Regular shuttles weren't good enough but they were apparently infinite in number
I'd love to see Spacedock do the Gunstar from The Last Starfighter. For me, it's in the same class as the Thunderbolt from B5
Fire the, Death Blossom.
You guys should do videos on the show Battletech and later the games Mech Warrior. Drop Ships, Jump Ships, Mechs. I'm you guys will figure out the details.
I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of the Delta Flyer next to a Danube Runabout please.
YES FINALLY THANK YOU!!!!!
I am still trying to figure out how Voyager had a full compliment of shuttle craft. The only explanation is they built more along the way.
they outright state they were when they got the issue of not having enough energy and raw materials either from replication or extraction. the ship wasn't designed to be self sufficient so they had to build the infrastructure on board for mining materials and harvesting energy.
Should note. The "Flyer" Class was later adapted by Starfleet as a new auxiliary craft once Voyager returned and was mass produced for use.
Delta Flyer is cool, and a great subtle nod/solution to Voyagers "shuttle Problem". But damn, I wish we saw the Aeroshuttle a bit.
(ALSO I THINK VOYAGER IS PRETTY GREAT)
Good to see this craft featured
Watching voyager for first time right now. Before I was watching only Discovery and JJ movies, and I must say, that I enjoy both old and new.
The start is a bit rough but make yourself comfortable regardless!
Any info on how the technology/ concept was used in star fleet once voyager got back to the alpha quadrant? Star Trek doesn’t use fighters, but if it did, ships like the delta flyer, would be a nice idea. Construct a star trek carrier ship in that transports these fighter to a battle. Just an idea.
I always loved the flier.
Tovok" computer, remove dynamic tail fin" 😂
Voyager, highly underrated Star Trek series... despite it's flaws.
Since Voyager brought the schematics to Earth, did the Delta Flyer see any use later on? I mean the design looks really neat and like something any larger research vessel and starbase could put to great use.
Soooo
I'm kinda using your breakdowns as assistance to build these 1:1 in Space Engineers...
A long haul (more than 24 hour mission) shuttle design to fill the gap between a full on runabout and a class II minivan really was needed. Not that design exactly, but it di have some really good parts, like bunks instead of sleeping in your seat while you sputter around in a space minivan.
So basically its Voyagers self built star fighter.
You need to do the ships from "space above and beyond".
Can you do the adamant frigate or arachne cruiser from battlestar galactica deadlock please?
Hey Spacedock.
Harmony Gold and Tatsunoko made peace. Are you going to include something about Macross-Robotech here? I mean, to help to revive the old school.
Battletech WarShips and aerospace fighters for the win!
@@CharlesUrban What about EXO SQUAD!?
@@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754 I saw much less of that show than I wanted. Mechs and power armor are my jam.
Somehow constructed from scratch in a shuttlebay by the astounding genius who also invented a way to travel faster than infinite speed
we dont talk about the salamander babies.
They *do* have replicators
Even if voyager wasn't launched with a industrial one it's likely normal shipboard replicators could produce one given time and resources.
Bit like starting with a hammer and slowly making yourself better tools
Ah yes,Voyager and its shuttle "complement".
Actually how many shuttles did the Voyager even have? It seemed no matter how many were damaged/destroyed/rendered inoperable,another one would mysteriously materialize in the shuttle bay...
However,the Delta Flyer does look real dope,I'll give it that.
The Flyer always seemed like a ture multipurpose design that could fill several roles once Voyager got back. Even without all the Borg upgrades.
Scout, planetary defense & law enforcement, courier, covert ops, transport both official and civilian.
Can you feature Gundam Mobile Suits soon? They're spacefaring, they dock in a hangar, and basically they are ships with limbs.
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Delta Flyer gives me Stargate vibes
It does have a puddle jumper look to it 😂
Would be great to see more of the Delta Flyer or derivatives or evolutions in future expanded in the wider franchise. It’s so much better than the standard shuttles and would be a solid addition to Starfleet, alongside the runabout class
The Delta Flyer went from needed for dangerous missions they were ill-equipped for, to a supercharged Runabout that can out run almost anything.
Excellent video.
I like the fact it had buttons and knobs and switches that Paris knew how to use lol it’s like a current model Ferrari with 1940’s dashboard
The idea that Voyager was capable of even building such a prototype while falling short on other resources is absurd, but the Delta Flyer was (to me) a better plot device than the Danube runabout. I don't hate the runabout. I love it, but using an RV to get some time off the station seems too mundane to play a tactical role as it has. Surely a station would have true starships (of the line) around to accommodate DS9's needs when the area was so strategically important. The Delta Flyer was something more extreme than an F-22, that some pilot built in his garage in his spare time. Brilliant but absurd
But wasn't the max speed warp 10 "everywhere" in that lizard episode?
We need more ships like this. Of the top of my head the only other ship I know with a similar design is the Sol Bianca.
How did they have multiple extra warp cores to build into several spare shuttlecraft?
Do the Enterprise-F, please.
You forgot to mention or even reference the Plot Armour(optional Equipment) installed during the Construction of the Delta Flyer.....
It's a VITAL FEATURE that was heavily represented on the Show, yet you never even bothered to bring it up, WHY???
Great content. Haven't you guys from Spacedock thought of reviewing ships from Traveller rpg? They have a legacy of 40 years by now. Might be an interesting watch!
Oh man, I love Voyager!!
If Voyager was stuck in the Gamma Quadrant would it be called the Gamma Flyer?
Hi! Please make some videos about Cardassian and Dominion ships and fighters.
I will never understand why Star Fleet Command did not produce more “Delta Flyer” class shuttles/runabouts once they made contact with Voyager.