Is Freestyle Chess The Future? Team Battle V.S. Anish & Danny Gets HEATED!!
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00:00 Intro
01:14 Fabi got food poisoned
03:20 Fischer Random OR Freestyle Chess
05:26 Tournament Branding
08:38 Fabi on the Tournament's Format
15:05 Freestyle Chess In The Spotlight
17:20 What's Happening to Ding Liren?
20:40 Difference between Normal and FreeStyle Chess
22:05 Fabi VS Gukesh
23:20 Fabi Vs Levon
28:30 Fabi suggested a few ideas for the Tournament
30:14 The Final VS Magnus
37:07 New Chess Tour
47:02 Team Chess Battle
1:00:00 Top Juniors
1:07:40 Young guys are fighting back
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I was rooting for Fabi at the freestyle chess tournament. The semi between Fabi and Levon was the most mindblowing match of the whole event. When Fabi's heart rate hit 170, i realized how tough chess really is
The hardest sport out there by far anyone who played competitively knpws this
podcast drinking game, take a shot every time cristian says "things of that nature"
probably won't happen because Cristian is deep in his christian faith apparently so I don't think he would want to get drunk
op means for viewers lol, but I agree a random podcast episode where they just get hammered would be funny@@permabearxbt
or "I have to say"
@@permabearxbtJesus famously hated wine.
@@joep4life jesus wasn't against drinking he was against getting drunk...
The section talking about Team Chess Battle showed exactly why C and C won against AG and Danny. These two were meta-gaming the comms and the time scramble tactics while AG and Danny were having a marriage counselling session while the building is on fire lol
The way Fabi calculates anything is fascinating. His analysis of the ranking and pairings in the rapid part reminded me of the Chesscom video where the players drew lots for gifts and he already calculated that Wesley got the best number
Hahahha, yes that was hilarious
Fabi: "I'm number #2, I'm the worst number".
Wesley: "Oh is it worse than #8?"
Fabi: "#8 is the second best!"
Wesley: "Oh really?"
Danny: "Yeah because you get to have all the information"
Video link
I love the way the first thing Fabi is always ready to laugh about is goats
What I like about fabi is that unlike Nepo & others , He never whines
He gives genuine analysis
Fabi evaluates everything like a chess game. Fair, objective, logical.
Love the podcast but wish you would show the board more when talking about the chess games. It’s especially hard to follow when we don’t even know what the starting position is. 😂😂😂
It's dawning on me now, how I do not appreciate how much Fabi giving us and chess in general with these podcasts. Thank you for what you're doing guys.
Thanks for this wonderful podcast, recapping an amazing tournament in Germany, insightful thoughts on Chess in these times and what's next to look forward to🤩
Pretty cool to see that Christian ended up being the one to blunder check Fabi during their match while Fabi was basically the one in the driver seat. Danny also ended up being the clutch factor for Anish but their team didn't work too well together. Basically the opposite of what was talked about on this podcast.
As a german I know from experience, that stomach flew is trending right now - could be a virus and not food poisoning 😅
Great stuff!!
Regarding performing better getting you a harder pairing: That can happen in football too in knockout competitions like the champions league or in the world cup.
Basically (as i'm sure you guys know) in the world cup there are generally 8 groups and 4 teams per group (though i think this has either changed now or will change). After each team has played each other once the 2 teams with the most points (3 for win, 1 for draw, 0 for loss -> which i think would be great for all chess 'league' formats as it were, where point total decides the tournament victor, titled Tuesday would be interesting to see with a 3 1 0 format)
If you finish in first in your group, you will play someone in second in a different group... however due to the way the groups are formed (and the nature of football itself being a low scoring game so theres more likely to be variance in expected and actual outcomes) you could end up with a 'worse' team finishing top of the group.
In the champions league we get around that by having draws at every round so you don't know exactly which team you're playing, but in the world cup its all planned out so you know specifically which 2 teams you could play if you're through.
So for example: if USA could either finish first or second in their group at the next world cup, they could be due to play either Spain or Iran, lets say - Iran in this case had a good run and knocked out a stronger team to get 2nd place.
Its probably in the USA's interest to top the group anyway, as typically the best teams win, but not always.
If Iran did manage to top their group, and spain came second for example... you'd probably rather play Iran still on balance, despite them topping their group and so it would PROBABLY be in the USA's interest to finish second.
Obviously it's more complicated than I'm making it, but what Fabi was saying reminded me of how the world cup works - it is weird and I can't help but feeling that the players would have similar thoughts that Fabi explained was going through his head.
Sounds like a seeding system may solve the rapid issue.
It's FISCHER (GOAT)RANDOM forever and no amount of rebranding will change that. And if they'll forget, I'll be there to remind them.
it is Fischer Random. You dont get to take someone elses idea, and try to remove the inventor from it. I understand why you want to make it easier to know what it is, but just include Fischer in it.
was waiting for it
Havent watched yet but follow the pod on social media and see clips so decided to check it out
After watching the match yesterday. Yes Danny was 50/50 giving good and bad ideas. BUUUUT, Fabi was out here trying to blunder pieces while Christian had to carry Fabi for a couple moves 😂. This format would be great at the creator level (500-1200 elo).
yeah I had sooo much fun watching this format. love team chess
Welcome back fellas!
Just let the guy that finishes first select not from the bottom half (5th-8th) but from all non-selected (2nd-8th) and skip everyone already picked until you have all the pairings. For instance, if third place prefers to play against 4th more than against the two remaining (5th and 6th for instance) you let him play the 4th place, and 5th ends up playing with 6th.
Would've been lovely to pull up a board when Fabi analyses the opening of the final game. Was very difficult to follow especially since it's 960
If you threw up and felt better, it wasn't salmonella...
Probably overate
Yeah just your average run of the mill food poisoning
@@Momus2024 Wikipedia seems to have a broader definition of what food poisoning is - that it doesn't necessarily have to enter the bloodstream?
finally another episode!
funny thing about the rook blunders. I remember seing Fabi blunder a rook in a blitz game before, when I was kiebitzing on his board in person. It was the big blitz tournament at the side of the Bundesliga event in Berlin, I was playing myself for fun and then watching the top boards after my games were finished. It might have been against Bartosz Socko, that Fabi was playing, not totally sure. Also there, he just put the rook on an attacked square
Cristian and Fabi missed a big opportunity to joke about Cristian being a blunder check for Fabi's rooks re: team chess.
Why are this episode and the previous episode not on Spotify?
I love this podcast so much!! I'm very new to chess and it's fascinating to listen to one of the top players ❤ look forward to new ones!
"one". lol
The Fischerrandom tournament was really good, and I agree that it was a success overall, but I also agree that the rapid consequence was so low that we viewers were confused about what was happening, and also, the A/V production was a bit scuffed. I'm sure next year it will be ironed out better!
Fabi with the best format Idea, do a tournament Fabi!
Ding went from being one of the strongest, most confident chess players on the planet to being a world champion who can't get out of Magnus' shadow. This must be doing a number on the poor man's confidence.
He's not even worthy of being called Magnus' shadow, his performance since the WCC has been completely atrocious throughout all time controls
He can't get out of any top10 players's shadow, I would say
I don't think he enjoys playing chess anymore, even during the WC match, he didn't seem like he wanted to be there.
The guy could barely muster up the courage to speak in post game interviews during the world championship. I love his play, but what confidence exactly?
@@ChaseTurnerx, you just said it (you love his play). One can be soft-spoken, or even verbally/socially awkward, and still be confident in their play.
I think Fischer Random or Chess960 sound more technical and intimidating, like you need to be really experienced to play them. Freestyle just sounds like an easy variant and more inviting. Though I do feel like I sound stupid or inaccurate saying Freestyle. 😆
I prefer Freestyle over normal chess as it becomes more about understanding the game instead of pure memorization to get an advantage. I mean to watch GMs spend 30 minutes on the first 4-5 moves alone is astounding. We also see pawn structures that you don't normally see since it could be good to play f3/f6 if you have a bishop on g1/g8.
Its not really freestyle since the position is determined and theres nothing free about it tho
it's freestyle as long as you're not insane, preparing 958 positions in advance without mixing them up. You can at most prepare your first move, if you're white@
@ They are trying to get rid of the name "Fischer" due to his politically incorrect views. They already pushed chess960 hard and it hasn't worked, now they're trying "freestyle", which also won't work.
I'm cool with Fischer 960 or Chess960. Also don't forget about Chess18 and no castling chess, these should added as variants on Chesscom and Lichess.
would have been helpful to put the magus games on screen when analysing guys
Shuffle chess was first proposed by a Dutch Chess Enthusiast in 1792. The first recorded games are from 1842. The first tournament was played in 1851.
When Fischer was staying with the Polgars in 1993 he mentioned the idea to Lazlo thinking he had invented it. Lazlo showed him a 1910 book that proposed the exact same. Fischer changed the rules of how you shuffle the pieces so that he could say that he invented it (king placement between the rooks, never same colored bishops)
Of course I understand all USA citizens want to call it Fischerrandom. The rest of us should know that Fischer does not have intellectual property of shuffling the pieces before playing.
Fischer DID popularize the concept. Just like opening lines get names based on who popularized them. Get over it!
@@MrSupernova111 Get over it? Why would anyone need to get over a name for a variant of a board game? I am just stating the history of the variant. Are you by any chance a US citizen?
@@odysseas573 . Are you by any chance NOT a US citizen? Go ahead and prove your bias. Your argument can be turned both ways. Don't forget. Now, take your irrelevant hate elsewhere.
@@MrSupernova111 Hate? I am just stating the history of the chess variant in question. Why are you so worked up about it?
@@odysseas573 . I stated a fact. Did I not? Get over it.
I really hope fisher random becomes an important thing in the future because it is pure chess skill and not just memorizing lines
My favorite part of the tournament was the sorting hat
The way to make this format work is to invite 12 players. 22 round robin blitz games each (b+w against for all 11 opponents) to determine single elimination seeds. Top seed gets two byes to the classical formatted semifinals, but is nominally the 1 seed in the classical quarterfinals. Seeds 2-4 receive a bye to the quarterfinals as seeds 2-4. 5 and 6 face the winners of 9/12 and 10/11 rapid play-ins, with the 5 drawing the worst remaining player. Winner of 5/p-i and 6/p-i rapid matches get a seat in the quarterfinals. 7/8 directly pair off in Rapid for the 7th and final seat in the quarterfinals, with 7 getting to choose if they start the match as white or black. Seats 5-7 are re-seeded according to how they performed during round robin (so if 12 beat 9 and 5, they enter the quarterfinals as the worst seed: 7.)
With this system, you accomplish a few things:
- More round robin games means the best players are more likely to win the group, which will reduce the odds of randomly running into Magnus as a mid-seed.
- Each seed is more valuable than the one above it:
-- 1 is a well-earned gift
-- 2-4 get byes and the re-seeded remainders in the quarterfinals
-- 5 and 6 get the play-in winners, with 5 getting the easier pairing
-- 7 and 8 face one another, but avoid an additional play-in by being above 9th. 7 gets black/white order preference in h2h with 8.
-- 9 gets easiest pairing in play-ins
- It's a tremendous amount of content for viewers
- Leans into "freestyle" by using blitz time controls in the round robin, rapid up until the quarterfinals, and classical for the remainder.
I would also stagger the blitz game start times by a few minutes, so the viewers get a never-ending stream of opening/middlegame/endgame simultaneously. This would also let the players on later boards see how other players started their games, giving the player kicking off board 6 each day the most information. This asymmetry seems interesting and for that reason, I'd introduce some parity in the round robin by forcing the current leader to be board one each day. Best remaining player (if not playing leader) on board two. And so on. The winner of round robins will have earned that bye to the semis.
i think they wanted all the players to end at the same time, not filter out on certain days after they are busted. no one would hang out and not play
Have 2 sections for now A.Classic and B. Free Style C. whatever comes next, and a chess player can choose A.or B section?
The insights from Caruana are brilliant. So lucky to have so much time listening to the 2nd best player of the strongest ever era of chess.
I would find the following system fair and appropriate for the fischer random: Places 5-7 pick their opponent for the classical part, where 5 decides first. But players who finished 1-4 get extra time - like 15 mins for the first, 10 for second 7 for third and 5 for fourth
Florastor (generic: S. boulardii) helps prevent traveler's stomach problems.
you should invite Alireza !
47:22 Is that really a picture of Hess on the lower left? 🤔
When saying positions show the board please
Hikaru w/ a teammate. That would be very entertaining. 😂🤣 Great episode as always.
46:07 I think Chris means FI-nance or fi-NANCE, it's both with fai..
If you’ve seen the meme of Spanish soccer/football broadcasters calling a golf game, this is how I feel watching a chess24 broadcast nowadays.
Svidler & Gusty playing together ❤
Just to be fare!! what about 6 day bughouse tournament, 6 day 4 player variant and 6 day crazy house also the one see Star Trek 3D board
I agree with Fabi about the name - it should be Fischer Random. Chess960 or 9LX or especially freestyle don't give much/any information, while Fischer Random both honors the GOAT and at least tells you something is random about the setup. Yeah, Fischer is the GOAT. GOAT means greatest ever, not for the longest duration, and Bobby beat 20 of his competitors in a row in an interzonal and 2 candidates matches (plus game 1 against Petrosian_. This is something neither Garry nor Magnus have come close to.
Freestyle is a better name than chess960 but I’m calling it Fischer chess
You can let place 1 to 3 pick players 4 to 7 and player 8 gets the remaining player.
I respect caruana in every way,and I respect that he prefers to ca it Fischer random.i mean bobby Fischer invented it,they should call it that.
yeah they didn't really mention or honor Fischer's idea / legacy at all during the whole thing. I know he went cuckoo at the end but still would have been honorable.
Those Rook Blunders made Fabi vs Levon the game of the tournament imo
I think the idea of Fisher (random) chess actually came from Bronstein, not sure
Ding hasn't played like a world champion ever since he won the title
Yeah he's been ill, basically.
Salmonella can be only in raw legs
Dang Caruana Variation of Fischer chess = Freestyle GOAT
960 for the win!
FIDE should definitely rate Fischer random
@csqpod Great podcast! But the volum is extremely low, like im at max volumn and you guys seem at a mid volum level compared to other content. Tried with both headphones and speakers, and straight phone audio! Consistently very low
51:18 Lol in the actual match it was Anish convincing Danny to play bad moves 😂😂
It’s safe to say, pound for pound, Fabi is the GOAT
there were goats everywhere
5 young players above 2700 is something new
Which Reddit are you guys talking about?
r/chess
Fabi is the GOAT
46:30 you probably mean 'financial', which can be pronounced two ways
Or fi-NANCE vs. FI-nance 😅
Yes. It’s great anti-preparation chess, just like Fischer intended 👍🌟
i kind of think they could have honored Fischer a bit more in the whole proceedings. there wasn't as much as a placard at the venue or mention or a still picture on the broadcast. not really to appeal to his ego (RIP) but just to be like, hey, this is Fischer's idea, isn't that neat?
@@kingkillah101 Yeah, or just always call it “Fischer random”, that would already be a step forward 😄
Fabiano 💪🏻
Like for calling it Fischer-random
I'm cool with Fischer 960 or Chess960. Also don't forget about Chess18 and no castling chess, these should added as variants on Chesscom and Lichess.
I am glad that top players including magnus call it fischer random .Simple explanation-invented by fischer and the arrangement is random .You don't question newton's laws or Darwins theory .I just want everyone to give the guy enough credit and remember him
Shuffling pieces wasn’t new. Fischer just introduced the rules to the randomization.
I realize that perhaps the venue being Germany, it may have been tricky using Fischer's name because of his views late in life. It may not be the reason, but it would have been a factor for marketing and promotion in that country.
@@kylen6430 I am interested to know the history maybe fischer made it popular do you know who introduced it first ?
@@diwataluna nah. Chess 960 is already well established name that even FIDE has accepted in the lexicon. If the point was to just avoid using Fischer’s name, they could have used that.
No they definitely are trying to rebrand it.
@@kylen6430chess 960 doesn’t sound good at all though
Classical 960 is for sure the future
"Ok but now there's recession to the mean" 😂😂😂
53:37 lol yep (*regression, just for those who might not know the idiom)
Also, 54:40 "we have to put him down tomorrow"
@@lollycopter"we need to eliminate them"
Fabi remembering Magnus' birthday 🙂
the goat is haunting neimann
92.6% accuracy. Interesting. Very interesting. 🤓
26:37
I like fisher random. Mostly because I know no theory.
Gee, I want to hear some examples of shady sources of tournament money.
Please explain the realtor joke
Fabi is the future of chess.
The one thing that really pissed me off about the event was that they didn't show the OTB board. They had a big giant on screen board and big giant commentator pictures. and all they showed was a little screen of the players faces off to the side with weird hard to see angles of pieces of the board. Drove my OCD insane! I was furious and wanted to break my computer monitor. You are not going to get the game popular like that. I'd rather watch one of these low budget streamers playing OTB in the parks or clubs. My dream as a fan would be the commentators having ability to draw arrows right on the players board, and maybe even move the pieces in some graphical cgi way lol. Regardless, keep your analysis board out of the view of them making their own moves! period.
Howzit from South Africa! Hope Freestyle chess is coming to RSA! So many spectacular settings and venues for the event and opportunities for public exhibitions, including with sport celebrities (RSA outdoor and sport crazy country).
Also hope organisers continue with some of the innovations and especially don't listen to just the super chess geeks / purist, but some great ideas on social media to improve coverage, commentary and just get more eyeballs and engagement from general public.
IMHO less analysis board playing / solving by commentators. Continue to use arrows and explain basic strategic and tactical choices - leave some tension / drama in it playing out - instead of playing everything out on board. Get guest commentators, silence and moving on the other games is okay. Use 3rd commentator at analysis board not only for deep dives, but recalling previous games, classic games, explaining tactics / strategy, player profiles & statistics, chess move database insight (even not related to specific players) and just overall look at how other sports balance entertainment, drama, narrative with discription, explaining and technical analysis - it is actually also not very deep or too analytical - since that is not the level of engagement 95% of people want...or actual engage at...(many on say chess reddit claim they do...but reality...)
When they say freestyle, do they mean Fischer Random,
Mostly, but there are slightly different setup rules I believe
sergey karajkin was number 1
Never heard of this guy. Must have been a fluke.
@@31redorange08 he is currently no.11 in the world he got banned in 2021
It's not Fee-nance. It's f'nance with a clipped syllable.
As an ESL speaker, that part confused me 😂
The best thing for food poisoning after the fact is activated carbon. Don't travel without it.
After discussing the position Magnus is the only one who made the best first move. Surely no one says what they really see in the position 😅
💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Christian just fyi you can't say "feenance" lol
6:10 magnus dominating in engine era where its harder to dominate
highest classical rating of all time , 2882 , live 2889
highest ever rapid rating of all time, 2926
highest ever blitz rating of all time 2986
125 unbeaten classical game streak
10+ years world champion
first triple crown, did 3 times.
Fischer random event win
Do not discredit world rapid and blitz since it wasn't a thing during Kasparov's time, its not Magnus' fault, its harder to win it than classical, so many good players. For example Hikaru is a blitz god and he has -0 titles.
won every major event INCLUDING world cup
won the Wijk an Zee which is the most prestigious event in classical 8 times, Kasparov won it 3 times and Anand won it 5 times ( its being held since 1900s )
equally dominating all formats including OTB and online
Most consecutive NUMBER 1 in classical chess, passed Kasparov :)
only world champ who is undefeated in title matches
and so on...
these are some of the things where Carlsen passes Kasparov, there are not only rapid blitz but also classical achievements. Today's era is so much challenging , more than old time, even as for now Magnus played more game than Kasparov.
only thing Kasparov has over Carlsen is TOTAL longevity ( which Carlsen can pass ) and total world classical titles which is 1 more, but 2 split ones so its controversial.
With all these if you still say magnus aint 1st in goat conversation, its because you are hating. Even if magnus last 100 years #1. all the big players such as Hikaru and Kramnik and other juniors says that Magnus is the goat.
and one more thing, if you care so much about longevity then you should never mention Fischer in top 3 and you should say that Lasker is the GOAT.
Fabi 2024: " we are playing for nothing, we are just playing for the viewers" as a viewer, thanks Fabi. I am nothing
FEEEEE NANCE
I'm really not a fan of chess variants being taken so seriously. Instant boredom. and kind of insulting to the amazing historical context of chess.
Feeenance? 🤔
Ding Liren has developed PTSD. Becoming WC was ´too stressful. Postcovid made him more vulnerable.
What are you his psychiatrist?
I sometimes feel better about myself by reading stupid comments.
Your comment made me feel better today. Thank you.
@@B-fq7ff I wish. I am a chess-teacher in China.
@@josiahmacfarlane4344 Bu Keqi.
many time Christian starts talking very softly an I can't fucking hear him.
It is not the future. The reason: Standard chess is already difficult enough for the average/above average player. Patterns and openings hep guide them. When it comes to 'freestyle'...this is just another situation where chessplayers have one trade - moving around wooden pieces and the elite will go wherever someone is willing to throw their money. But...that's not the case for 99% of chess players. So, no.
No way is it Fee-nance. Always Fi-nance. But Fee’nancial and Fi-nancial both OK
47:21 those teams don't seem balanced well. Levi, danny and pia are complete blanks. Svidler gustaffson, hansen van forrest look really strong
Doesn't really matter. The players can communicate so it's basically depending on strength of the better teammate
Please don't cut off Fabi, even if you think he's rambling. I'm much more interested in what Fabi has to say.