I wish it came with the option of removing half the battery for shorter rides. Pull 15 lbs off the bike when you don't need as much range. So two battery packs, like Zero had as an option.
Why. They are super light as it is. If you want to be a better rider wouldn’t you want the weight. I mean we ride bikes in hard enduro that are way way heavier for longer periods of time. If you are taking care of yourself low slung 15lbs are nothing.
Agree with removing 4kg off the bike with a half capacity battery, and the ability to buy a cheaper extra battery (weight / capacity ratio is not linear). I don't need 4-5 hours capacity.
Nice, for the 2024 model I hope they change the rear mudguard to a (lot) more flexible type, that doesn't brake the whole rear plastic section at the first flip over.
Looks like a nice bike. I like the different maps for beginners up to expert. The traction control sounds interesting also. Not sure if I’d like that or not. Excited for the TRS review 👍🏻 Keep ‘em coming
The mic isn’t turned up and they are pretty loud, but I think it helps transition from the combustion engine. If it was too quiet it would be hard to understand the Rev range!
"Danny across the pond" Thanks for an excellent presentation. If I can simplify your review in several words, "if you were making this purchase to train outside of a Beta RR and bot compete for trials, would you go for this over the petrol version?
Hi Danny, I;m soo sorry IF SOME DIPSHIT has been using my Laptop while i was away, I have had a Ban from ALL Channels and only just Found your site By going through Security with Microsoft If THIS SOMEONE has offended you in any way only I can apologise which i;m doing. I do like Bikes But hardly ever comment Take Care Lee.
Cheers Man, Had ALL Accounts Suspended Because SOMEONE was using My Laptop while i was away and HAD TO GO THROUGH Mountains to get Only Some subs Back on Including LOSING And email account [GONE] Which i used a lot for Medical Research Bitchute [GONE] New account had to be made. I don;t Know what he has said to people BUT it;s Unacceptable And on Me, Thanks For being soo Okay with it. jUST STARTED LOOKING @ THAT ELECTRIC BIKE AND I;M INTERESTED [Looks Great Fun]. Anyway Take Care Bud.
@@TrialTube Thank you for your quick response. I understand that you’ve already tested both the EM and Dragonfly bikes individually. I’m interested in buying one and am leaning towards the lighter option. Since the prices are quite similar, I want to get the best value for my money. Could you help me decide which one would be the better choice?
Hi Danny [Now i Know your name] YOU Bud have Convinced me [This Grumpy 50 year old] To go for an Trial bike. I had a new WR250F in 2016 But because of very bad health Conditions [THANKS NHS] I did;nt have the strength to even Throw a leg over without LOOKING LIKE A TOOL. So sold it for just under what i payed. Now because i HAVE BEEN BINGE WATCHING this Channel [Ya Bastard] I;M Convinced i;d be MUCH better off with an 200/250 [As you said] It;s just i do Like the Vertigo [FOOIL Injection OHHH Yeerr Baby] BUT i also like the NEW GASGAS which you did also like [Even with the Head of Department STARING YOU DOWN HA] So went out today to My [NOT SO Local] MX Bike store where i got the YAM. And oh jeez it;s still a toss up Bud. So because i have had 4 bikes in total from there they offered me a pretty sweet deal on both with proper KIT Like. So Danny what would YOU go for as your 1st TRIAL Bike [Hint] Just fokn Tell me Straight. LOVE this Channel always a LIKE and even got My 57 Year old Builder Mate Interested, Keep the vids coming Boyo Better than Netflix.
You will find the electric motion epure the easiest trials bike to ride especially if you have health issues. You can keep them in the 125 map and have something super soft and manageable. Switch to 250 if you need more poke and even up to 300 if you really want to push it!! Also less maintenance so nee time riding
Rode the 22 recently at IP, would have liked more comment about the anti roll back feature. I'd have thought that was a bigger/ better upgrade than a rear brake tip for example.
I am now riding an EM sidecar thats how good the batteries have become. I can let any "perspective customer" er new Trials rider have a go on an EM in green, or any seasoned Trial rider have a go in Blue, or the local hot shot in Red thats how versatile these bikes are. Good review as always, perhaps a ride with and without TKO so you don't get those dinosaurs commenting on how loud it is.
Holy you were so off on this video. An outside observational tip I'd tell you is you were stretching this video out with conversation that was off and unenthusiastic. Keep to bullet points with commentating and on bike narration and showcasing changes/good points/bad points.....and just do more riding on the bikes so we can watch and compare for ourselves how they launch and where the power curve is and how much it wheelspins, how planted and balanced it looks, etc.
How was it different to other trialtubes? I always commentate on the bike. I always chat about the brand prior to testing. I always test in a real section.(Often used at a national level trials ground) Have you watched prior videos? My consistency is key. Also this video was made in a timeframe to fit inside my other work.
@@TrialTubeyes im a subscriber and have watched all your other vids. Id say you were not enthused about this bike but had to do a review of it since it had been offered to you. But youre not a fan of electric yet and it showed but you didnt want to say bad stuff. And so it seemed stretched out more with really nothing said, or at least, nothing that could have been said in way less time in a few bullet points....then the remaining time could and should have been spent on more riding. Compare this video to your most recent, the RTL review, and you can see the difference in enthusiasm. Bottom line the electric review was bland all the way thru. So my suggestion is if it is hard to give a good review, just bullet point the good points/bad points and film more riding. Love all your other vids. Look forward to the RTL progress.
Thanks for the review Danny! The biggest negative with these bikes for me (I have a 21 race model) is no gearbox. If they truly want to compete with the gas bikes they need a gearbox. It’s great that they have a clutch but when having to use it with such crazy tall gearing there is no real way to truly load the flywheel or get good lift out of the bike. It’s like riding in 5th-6th gear all the time on a regular bike. With the wide torque curve the electric motor has they could possibly get away with a 3 speed, two gears for in the sections and one tall gear for getting somewhere. A 4 speed would be the absolute max that would be required. I hate to bitch but manufactures need to hear this. We still need gears!
@@georgeslaurence9493 Hi, no I haven’t. It has a 57 tooth sprocket and an 11 tooth front so changing to a 61 would be minimal. I was somewhat thinking about drawing a custom 110 tooth sprocket and having it cutout, once you go more than this it starts to get larger than the rear rim. Aside from causing all kinds of other practical problems like chain guides etc. I don’t think even this is enough reduction to truly be able to use flywheel inertia through the clutch. I’m sure the modes and mapping get better all the time. But this won’t do anything for the issue I have personally with the bike. It is overall a good bike, I just won’t be buying another electric trials bike until it has a gearbox on it.
Did you notice a difference in the throttle? Or a difference in the mapping/software? I have a 22 comp and find it difficult to hold pressure or back tire hop on this bike compared to my TRS.
So the throttle delivers the power in a more linear/ smooth fashion. I think most people would struggle to rear end hop the bike as the electric motion doesn’t deliver that “snap” when on the back wheel like a combustion bike.
@@TrialTube so it’s probably not worth getting the new throttle for me. I want a more aggressive bottom end low rpm, but I want less in the mid. (More like a gas engine)
Is buying a 2nd hand 2022, getting software upgrade mapped and fitting a new brake tip (assuming the new one fits the old bike), going to be worthwhile? Only just come across this bike and started looking at videos, but seems like a few 2022 bikes are coming on the market and obviously the 2nd hand pricing is more attractive, but only if you can get it feeling better with upgrades.
Thanks for the comment and there isn’t a lot of difference from the 2021 to the 2022 bike and possibly the newest version so I would save some money and buy second hand in the beginning for sure.
Good video and liked to hear we can have a software upgrade for the bike. Poor to hear they are going to charge for it. I have an e car and friends all have different e cars and all of us receive free software updates. Poor show to charge for this.
As awesome as the electric bikes are. Montesa they are not, and should not be priced like one. The pricing needs to come to a closer parity to the standard ICE version. I'm sure in the coming years more competition will help that along. Mecatecno, EM, we need more. $11-12K is ridiculous.
Hi Danny, the clutch and the flywheel are supposed to be different for 2023. Did you notice any improvement ? More punch and inertia ? The bike you had was with a black rear sprocket so 59 teeth instead of 57 for the grey 2022 ? Not much but gives some extra punch. Nice review thanks ! Always a pleasure to watch your videos.
The funny thing about this bike - I ride a 300RR next to my neighbor's house. It sounds WAY less annoying than this 'silent' bike. I still see the benefits of electric when riding elsewhere, though.
One thing though is that on most videos it appears to be louder than it is (compared to thermics). You have to compare it to a 2T or 4T in the same conditions. 300RT might sound more pleasing, but it's way louder.
Seriously. If maps are very different and you could shift to a more powerful map when needed it could be useful. Or am I missing something. Before you ask, yes I have too much time on my hands and no rational thinking.
Hey if you think it's a great idea maybe I'm not as crazy as people think. Oh wait, I'm not sure you're all that right in the head ether . 😅 your videos are getting me back into trials riding. Thanks
I wish it came with the option of removing half the battery for shorter rides. Pull 15 lbs off the bike when you don't need as much range. So two battery packs, like Zero had as an option.
Why. They are super light as it is. If you want to be a better rider wouldn’t you want the weight. I mean we ride bikes in hard enduro that are way way heavier for longer periods of time. If you are taking care of yourself low slung 15lbs are nothing.
Pretty good idea though honestly most people can usually lose 15 pounds off themselves before they need to start criticizing the bike.
Agree with removing 4kg off the bike with a half capacity battery, and the ability to buy a cheaper extra battery (weight / capacity ratio is not linear). I don't need 4-5 hours capacity.
Last night I heard some cats quarrelling in the park - or maybe it was DB testing an EM.
🙈 I guess we wouldn’t want them silent
Nice, for the 2024 model I hope they change the rear mudguard to a (lot) more flexible type, that doesn't brake the whole rear plastic section at the first flip over.
Hopefully they will read this comment!
Hello, now you have to test the Factor-E and give us your impression ^^
Thank you for your work, your frankness and... your humor!
Coming soon!
Honestly rode one once at inch perfect, and I’m going back to have another go, possibly going to leave with one too 😂 it’s an amazing bike!
Well hopefully this video helped!
I've just rode one today at inch perfect absolutely fell in love with it!
I'm never going to buy either of these bikes I just enjoy watching someone who knows what he's doing telling how and why he's doing it.
Awesome comment!! Thank you!
Looks like a nice bike. I like the different maps for beginners up to expert. The traction control sounds interesting also. Not sure if I’d like that or not.
Excited for the TRS review 👍🏻
Keep ‘em coming
Will do buddy and it’s coming soon!
Interested in the decibel level of this bike at mid to full rev.. is it really as loud as the video makes it appear?
The mic isn’t turned up and they are pretty loud, but I think it helps transition from the combustion engine. If it was too quiet it would be hard to understand the Rev range!
I feel like electric bikes are exactly like electric cars fundamentally better but lacking soul and passion.
Rode an older one at Inch Perfect and thought it was brilliant .
Thanks for watching and I know they will appreciate the support
"Danny across the pond" Thanks for an excellent presentation. If I can simplify your review in several words, "if you were making this purchase to train outside of a Beta RR and bot compete for trials, would you go for this over the petrol version?
Not personally, as if you are wanting to use trials to cross train fro enduro I would choose a petrol bike. As you would be riding a petrol bike.
Hi Danny, I;m soo sorry IF SOME DIPSHIT has been using my Laptop while i was away, I have had a Ban from ALL Channels and only just Found your site By going through Security with Microsoft If THIS SOMEONE has offended you in any way only I can apologise which i;m doing. I do like Bikes But hardly ever comment Take Care Lee.
No Offence taken man and don't worry I have hard skin! Glad you are all squared up!
well they sound horrible and for the love of god where the TRS review
For the love of god, it’s en-route
Cheers Man, Had ALL Accounts Suspended Because SOMEONE was using My Laptop while i was away and HAD TO GO THROUGH Mountains to get Only Some subs Back on Including LOSING And email account [GONE] Which i used a lot for Medical Research Bitchute [GONE] New account had to be made. I don;t Know what he has said to people BUT it;s Unacceptable And on Me, Thanks For being soo Okay with it. jUST STARTED LOOKING @ THAT ELECTRIC BIKE AND I;M INTERESTED [Looks Great Fun]. Anyway Take Care Bud.
Could you compare 24 Dragonfly with 24 EM?
Gotta get ahold of them!
@@TrialTube Thank you for your quick response. I understand that you’ve already tested both the EM and Dragonfly bikes individually. I’m interested in buying one and am leaning towards the lighter option. Since the prices are quite similar, I want to get the best value for my money. Could you help me decide which one would be the better choice?
Hi Danny [Now i Know your name] YOU Bud have Convinced me [This Grumpy 50 year old] To go for an Trial bike. I had a new WR250F in 2016 But because of very bad health Conditions [THANKS NHS] I did;nt have the strength to even Throw a leg over without LOOKING LIKE A TOOL. So sold it for just under what i payed. Now because i HAVE BEEN BINGE WATCHING this Channel [Ya Bastard] I;M Convinced i;d be MUCH better off with an 200/250 [As you said] It;s just i do Like the Vertigo [FOOIL Injection OHHH Yeerr Baby] BUT i also like the NEW GASGAS which you did also like [Even with the Head of Department STARING YOU DOWN HA] So went out today to My [NOT SO Local] MX Bike store where i got the YAM. And oh jeez it;s still a toss up Bud. So because i have had 4 bikes in total from there they offered me a pretty sweet deal on both with proper KIT Like. So Danny what would YOU go for as your 1st TRIAL Bike [Hint] Just fokn Tell me Straight. LOVE this Channel always a LIKE and even got My 57 Year old Builder Mate Interested, Keep the vids coming Boyo Better than Netflix.
I've seen several riders who have bikes unsuitable for them because they asked someone else "What would you buy?".
You will find the electric motion epure the easiest trials bike to ride especially if you have health issues. You can keep them in the 125 map and have something super soft and manageable. Switch to 250 if you need more poke and even up to 300 if you really want to push it!! Also less maintenance so nee time riding
Rode the 22 recently at IP, would have liked more comment about the anti roll back feature. I'd have thought that was a bigger/ better upgrade than a rear brake tip for example.
Very true but how would you prove it works over camera. I get ya though…
I am now riding an EM sidecar thats how good the batteries have become. I can let any "perspective customer" er new Trials rider have a go on an EM in green, or any seasoned Trial rider have a go in Blue, or the local hot shot in Red thats how versatile these bikes are. Good review as always, perhaps a ride with and without TKO so you don't get those dinosaurs commenting on how loud it is.
Straight up question do you prefer Ebikes or traditional petrol ?
That would be telling!
@@TrialTube ? WTF
@@stan9636 obviously I bleed two stroke!
Holy you were so off on this video. An outside observational tip I'd tell you is you were stretching this video out with conversation that was off and unenthusiastic. Keep to bullet points with commentating and on bike narration and showcasing changes/good points/bad points.....and just do more riding on the bikes so we can watch and compare for ourselves how they launch and where the power curve is and how much it wheelspins, how planted and balanced it looks, etc.
How was it different to other trialtubes? I always commentate on the bike. I always chat about the brand prior to testing. I always test in a real section.(Often used at a national level trials ground)
Have you watched prior videos? My consistency is key. Also this video was made in a timeframe to fit inside my other work.
@@TrialTubeyes im a subscriber and have watched all your other vids. Id say you were not enthused about this bike but had to do a review of it since it had been offered to you. But youre not a fan of electric yet and it showed but you didnt want to say bad stuff. And so it seemed stretched out more with really nothing said, or at least, nothing that could have been said in way less time in a few bullet points....then the remaining time could and should have been spent on more riding. Compare this video to your most recent, the RTL review, and you can see the difference in enthusiasm. Bottom line the electric review was bland all the way thru. So my suggestion is if it is hard to give a good review, just bullet point the good points/bad points and film more riding. Love all your other vids. Look forward to the RTL progress.
@@edwardweiszbeck1649 fair comment
!
Thanks for the review Danny! The biggest negative with these bikes for me (I have a 21 race model) is no gearbox. If they truly want to compete with the gas bikes they need a gearbox. It’s great that they have a clutch but when having to use it with such crazy tall gearing there is no real way to truly load the flywheel or get good lift out of the bike. It’s like riding in 5th-6th gear all the time on a regular bike. With the wide torque curve the electric motor has they could possibly get away with a 3 speed, two gears for in the sections and one tall gear for getting somewhere. A 4 speed would be the absolute max that would be required.
I hate to bitch but manufactures need to hear this. We still need gears!
Hi, did you try a 61 teeth rear sprocket ? Green is becoming blue, blue => red, and red... something else ! Real challenge in mud.
@@georgeslaurence9493 Hi, no I haven’t. It has a 57 tooth sprocket and an 11 tooth front so changing to a 61 would be minimal. I was somewhat thinking about drawing a custom 110 tooth sprocket and having it cutout, once you go more than this it starts to get larger than the rear rim. Aside from causing all kinds of other practical problems like chain guides etc. I don’t think even this is enough reduction to truly be able to use flywheel inertia through the clutch. I’m sure the modes and mapping get better all the time. But this won’t do anything for the issue I have personally with the bike. It is overall a good bike, I just won’t be buying another electric trials bike until it has a gearbox on it.
Did you notice a difference in the throttle? Or a difference in the mapping/software? I have a 22 comp and find it difficult to hold pressure or back tire hop on this bike compared to my TRS.
So the throttle delivers the power in a more linear/ smooth fashion. I think most people would struggle to rear end hop the bike as the electric motion doesn’t deliver that “snap” when on the back wheel like a combustion bike.
@@TrialTube so it’s probably not worth getting the new throttle for me. I want a more aggressive bottom end low rpm, but I want less in the mid. (More like a gas engine)
Is buying a 2nd hand 2022, getting software upgrade mapped and fitting a new brake tip (assuming the new one fits the old bike), going to be worthwhile? Only just come across this bike and started looking at videos, but seems like a few 2022 bikes are coming on the market and obviously the 2nd hand pricing is more attractive, but only if you can get it feeling better with upgrades.
Thanks for the comment and there isn’t a lot of difference from the 2021 to the 2022 bike and possibly the newest version so I would save some money and buy second hand in the beginning for sure.
Good video and liked to hear we can have a software upgrade for the bike. Poor to hear they are going to charge for it. I have an e car and friends all have different e cars and all of us receive free software updates. Poor show to charge for this.
As awesome as the electric bikes are. Montesa they are not, and should not be priced like one. The pricing needs to come to a closer parity to the standard ICE version. I'm sure in the coming years more competition will help that along. Mecatecno, EM, we need more. $11-12K is ridiculous.
Agreed they are far from the same sensation as a combustion bike!
Sounds very loud.
They all make noise lol
the point about weight is bang on - it feels like a 300rr -
I am honest!
Why am I reminded of William ( pause ) Shatner in Star ( pause) Trek ?🤔
I am not (pause) sure. But I am sure (pause) the answer is out there, somewhere….(fade to black)
Absolute gash, not buying into it. Cracking bike for the woke.
Class comment and the snowflakes need bikes too ya know lol
Hi Danny, the clutch and the flywheel are supposed to be different for 2023. Did you notice any improvement ? More punch and inertia ? The bike you had was with a black rear sprocket so 59 teeth instead of 57 for the grey 2022 ? Not much but gives some extra punch. Nice review thanks ! Always a pleasure to watch your videos.
I am testing the new gearing on the next video! 👍👍
Thanks for another video on the EM. It would be useful to know the clearance figure compared to other makes, like the BB heights in MTB specs.
Well it’s not a parable to an MTB. Although I don’t have a figure it’s low in comparison to the other trials bikes
The necessity of making noise is justified by the clutch using. Without noise, you juste can’t ride and use your clutch. But clearly not a sexy sound.
Brum, zip, brum!
hate that whiny sound, can you put alternative exhaust on?
Yeah an alternative exhaust will work well on an electric bike….😉😏
The funny thing about this bike - I ride a 300RR next to my neighbor's house. It sounds WAY less annoying than this 'silent' bike. I still see the benefits of electric when riding elsewhere, though.
Thanks for the comment bud!!
One thing though is that on most videos it appears to be louder than it is (compared to thermics). You have to compare it to a 2T or 4T in the same conditions.
300RT might sound more pleasing, but it's way louder.
@ when wearing a mic all the bikes sound loud and even if you turn down the mic volume and optimise sound. All the bikes sound a bit too loud…
Great now I need to return my new 22 to get the 23 !!!
Nah the 22 is still great!
I could use it for practice in my driveway or ride in Novice class.
You can indeed!!
aww mate you are looking good on that thing - nice riding man
Cheers brother!! Appreciated!
Thank you. Liked and subscribed.
Amazing! Thank you!
Interesting !!
Thanks Dave!
Do you ,as a trials aficionado 😊 think a foot shift for the different maps would be worthwhile. Love the content 👏
Haha that would be the a complete copy of the motored variant lol
Seriously. If maps are very different and you could shift to a more powerful map when needed it could be useful. Or am I missing something. Before you ask, yes I have too much time on my hands and no rational thinking.
I think it’s a great idea, maybe it would get the electric bikes closer to the “real feel!”
Hey if you think it's a great idea maybe I'm not as crazy as people think. Oh wait, I'm not sure you're all that right in the head ether . 😅 your videos are getting me back into trials riding. Thanks
@@johndimeo1821 that’s awesome!
Party on lol
Party on Garth!
Awesome review as always 👌. I got a 22 model. Can you tell us how to install the 23 mapping on the 22 model ?
Thanks
Speak to Inch perfect 👍
Thank you