Marine spent all her money on gacha even when she was unemployed [Hololive]
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2021
- Houshou Marine talks about her dark past when she was she hooked on gacha games.
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Words of wisdom from our 17 year old pirate captain. I hope she's able to stay clean while surrounded by all the hololive gacha addicts.
@quicknfearless Once you get the banner character technically you won against the gacha, unlike casinos irl where the house always wins.
I have this co-worker here in japan who only eats 3pc of bread per day, that bread cost is like 108 yen per pack.
when my other co-worker asked him why he always eats only bread at that time he answered:
"because I want to roll gacha in my game"
my co-workers that time was shocked because he added that even in his home he only eat bread and nothing more just
to roll gacha.
It's almost impossible not to like Senchou, hearing these kinds of starkly honest admissions. And to be clear, this is way beyond gacha. There's simply a certain personality type -- and a fairly common one at that -- that is intrinsically addictive, that simply cannot self-regulate. And it's not about how much you spend, it's about indulging regardless of bad financial circumstances.
For myself, I never got into gatcha, but I've needed to break a couple of video game CDs to get my priorities straight again. It's a feeling that's hard to convey to those who have never been addicted to something.
that's why gachas and pachinko are so thriving there. Crazy amount of addicts
Like some wise duck in the past said.
"They're just a card"
and that duck is now in the hole
Before she became a gacha addict
The duck's word would have more meaning if she didn't ended up buying skins for those cards xDDD
@@ericp631 to what game shes addicted now?
@@greciasoleble gbf
That ending was the best one so far, you outdid yourself shabz 👏
I got out of Gachahell half thanks to Senchou. Now I'm in this rabbit hole though lmao
Yea... I am thinking I'll try to break my Booth addiction once EN gen 1 has their 1-year anniversary goods... those shipping charges from JP->US are killers.. on top of the already pretty crazy goods prices
@quicknfearless It's no different than buying drugs at a certain point - for that rush of feel good chemicals in the brain. Actually, it's not really any different than paying to go see a movie, a play, an orchestra, or a sports team. You pay for the experience and all you take home with you are the memories.
@quicknfearless who asked for your opinion?
@quicknfearless On the other hand, you'd have to be such a beta to not have disposable income. People like to spend on things they fancy like their hobbies. And some hobbies are even more expensive than a gacha addiction. You could say people buying anime figurines are beta because all those figurines do is looking pretty on the shelf, which isn't too different from PNGs looking pretty in a gacha game. Whether people are getting value for what they pay is subjective. There's no need to shame anyone about how they spend their money. Some people would rather use that money on clubbing and booze or something, but others would say that's also a waste. As long as people are not being irresponsible and running their financial stability to the ground, they are free to spend their money however they want.
@@wilson2938 A significant chunk of profit of anime studios come from merchandising like figurines. Buying figurines are an excellent way to signal to the studio committee to produce more similar anime in the future. Doing gacha... funds more gacha games, 99.9% of which are plain garbage that utilizes every psychological trick in the book to rope vulnerable people, especially children, to spend beyond their means in their occasional moment of weakness, and keep them hooked. Thinking figurine collectors & gacha spenders are on the same level is pretty pepega, it's way closer to casino gambling or horse betting.
Well what Senchou's said is basically true, my parents also drilled me that no matter what on any circumstances borrow money from other people. If you really had to, borrow from your family, but never on any loan sharks (because it's dangerous) or friends (you can lose them). And the matter with spending is that probably you shouldn't regret it but take it as a memory and lesson.
And dang my reaction is the same as Shabby when I heard Senchou's spending on gacha----
Thanks as always for the eye opener clip Shabby!
This hits me real hard, because I was exactly the same way that she describes. I used to play a Disney Heroes a ton when it first came out because I liked the characters and it had a fun community. And just like she said, newer content comes out every month or so, and you figure "just a one-time thing, I'll drop $50 and see what happens, just like buying a normal game." And then it turns into a one-time $500 purchase, and then you do that once or twice a month, then once or twice a week, all to get the latest characters and max them out. Before you know it, you've got $200 in your account and need to make student loan payment, car payment, phone bill, gas for the car, things like that. I played the game for about a year like that, staying within the top 20 players. I know it was more than $10k because I stopped counting at that point. Looking back I'm pretty sure I came close to Marine's estimate.
I finally realized that each game update would have a new character, but the character I liked was nerfed and didn't seem as good suddenly. Then they came out with other matches that had additional grinding and currency involved, and I felt like the game started to turn into a chore if I didn't keep spending more and more money. I told the guild I was playing with that I wanted to quit, and while they were sad to see me go I uninstalled the game and never went back. Now if a game has gacha in it with real money I stay far far away. That Princess Connect game that EN was advertising a few months ago? Soon as I saw it was gacha I left. That anime girl horse racing game that Miko and others play? It looks fun, but no way. I have a lot more in savings now and could afford to make extra payments on my car, get new furniture, and even move out of my parent's house and into an apartment. Thank you for reading my blog, but I feel a lot lighter to finally admit it.
Despite gambling being illegal in Japan, lottery and gacha are massively prevalent and completely "normal" in their culture. As Marine talked about there are images of garbage sacks or rooms filled completely with hundreds of CDs just because each copy gives a single lottery entry to attend the concert, a huge waste both environmentally and financially
That said, you could always flip those CDs. The problem is not many of those otaku even think to do that.
2 million yen to gacha, glad she was able to quit though. I don't think I have any tendencies to get addicted to spending but this is why I free to play every gacha. Spend in moderation folks, be careful and remember, you'll be able to go on without that one pull. It'll be ok.
Thanks as always for the not so shabby subs also lmao at the search results.
I’m glad Marine’s matured and avoids those things now. Took me too long to come to the same realization. Meanwhile there’s Rushia blowing how much money on stream doing gacha pulls and lotto tickets…
Seeing your hard work of months evaporate in gacha purchases... I desire this to no one. Get out of gacha hell early, guys. Sunk cost fallacy and FOMO are real. I lived through it. It might seem it's not much with those piecemeal purchases, but oh boy do they add up without you realizing it.
the search history at the end got me good lol
Feelsbad when u blow through your savings and lose that sense of security. Even if the purchase is wiser or worth it sometimes its just anxiety inducing.
Gacha = gambling, repeat after me
lmao the search suggestions, you never fail to make me laugh Shabby
Perhaps we're also buying happy memories now?
It's really hard to get out of gacha hole. I did the same thing as Marine, to completely quit the game. What cooled me down was light novels. A little regret but hey, it was a happy memory.
This is honestly one of my favourite videos because of its message.
LMAO The person who donated with 分かった, scaring poor senchou lmaoo
Yeah that Loan Shark manga is fucking depressing as all hell holy shit. I think I gave myself super depression reading the first few chapters.
yeah thats so true I stopped myself at a certain point even though I liked it a lot because it was just too much
@@sanathsekharan9938 same, I haven't read said manga but I watch idol master anime and hoping for a lighthearted cute girl doing cute things, instead I got depression the same as those idols had.
Feels like every unhealthy gacha addiction story always ends with the person completely quitting the game. As an ex-addict who spent thousands as well, I found it easier to just go full f2p than entirely quit the game I've invested years of time and money into
I'm curious, what game did you spent on?
I'm just happy I don't have any friends who are gacha addicts because a community revolving around gambling will make you want to gamble. You see people spend 100 dollars and you tell yourself "What's 30 dollars compared to that? I can just stop buying soda and stuff. Also, I've played this game for so long 30 dollars is like the price of a normal game anyway." And then it snowballs.
I did this for FGO where I've spent thousands on as well. Unfortunately it wasn't long before I got hooked on a different gacha game. I still play FGO as F2P, but spend money on another game, so... welp. I've spent like 10k usd on gacha so far this year. Trying very hard to lower my spending these days. Every time I try to tell myself "no", I end up just convincing myself to spend anyway because "What's the problem? I have the disposable income. i play these gacha games literally everyday. If I roll these characters right now, it would keep me happy for a long time." And that's exactly the kind of business model (long term daily commitment + microtransactions) and target demographic (working adults) that these companies go for. It feels like I'm being played like a fiddle, but at the same time I get what I want, so it's sort of mutual. Still in gacha hell today.
Gacha games are a hobby, and as with almost all hobbies you should really try to limit yourself. They are not really investment that will bear profit in the future nor they are supposed to. Maybe your hobby actually gives you money but most hobbies that are just money sinks in the end. Gacha game and accounts are especially unprofitable most of the time, even if you try to sell it. You can probably try to stream to get attention and money from other way.... but will you?
I don't really regret the memory made from playing gacha game or the money spent there as it is still happy memories.... but as with most things, try to control it.
It's fine as long as you limit your spending
Marine spent over $18,000 on Gacha. That is insane.
God 2 000 000 ¥ in mobile game that’s really a lot
*"You guys are living bright and righteous lives, right?"* Come on Senchou, we're pirates lol
Poor Senchou, suffering from success from being thrown too many SCs xD
Buying happiness or is it buying PNG waifu/husbando? 😂
I never really use money to gacha, so I'm always wondering whether people can't really stop from doing it. It sounds like a really serious addiction. It's scary..
Almost 20k in .jpg files i feel bad for Marine bank account 😔
Yep, what makes it scary is that when you start putting money in gacha, you find yourself can't stop until you get what you want because your mindset is the money will be wasted :")
@quicknfearless Quite misinformed and not helping here.
I am financially recovering from my latest gacha banner an I can relate so much that it hurts.
Marine actually talk a lot about life lesson sadly my japanese still bad thank you shabby sub i could know what she talk about
god damn! almost 20k in gacha pulls?!? I don't think even my video game collection is worth that much and I've been collecting games since the NES days. I hope Marine has discovered the word restraint by now, I also play gacha games but I've never paid for a gacha pull in my life, If i get the character I want with the free pulls or the few premium coins the game gives you, it feels good, but if not well though shit for me i guess.
Oh well, at least it seems like she uses the supacha to fund big projects like connected fantasia, her new outfit, and the Unison MV.
Thanks for the translation shabby 👍🏻
I actually paused the video to Google how much that was; but turns out you already did it for me. You the VIP Shabby
That sweet, sweet dopamine release is addicting, so I understand. It's great. But like all things, everything in moderation. The dangerous thing isn't so much that you're whaling in a game, but that you're whaling in a game that you may not even be playing in a few months. (coming from a dude who already spent thousands)
That’s what I thought. I always looked down on so many things, like Vtubers, anime, and gacha back when I was in high school. Low and behold, 4 years later after uni, I got addicted to everything I listed above. Gacha luckily hasn’t been much of an issue for the year I’ve stuck by so far. I’ve managed to control how and what I spend on, and to take into account necessary expenses to ensure I don’t just dump $500 into gacha. It really is dangerous. The feeling of wanting to keep experiencing that brief dopamine release from this kinda stuff.
Thank you for the subs. These are precious stories.
I'm so lucky that i don't need any money-burning addiction to have a happy and fulfilling life.
Its pain when you have 4 cars 3 projects and 1 daily but i drive my projects more than my daily, and having a gun hobby put on hold because ammo shortage i just spend more money on cars 🥲
@@VinnyDeez- You might want to look into some hardcore gatcha because ohh, my dude, even that would be more gentle on your wallet than your current lifestyle :D
If you can live a life where you can get enough money to sustain your hobbies I don't think it's bad to spend thousands on that. But the probblem starts when you start spending more money than you have available.
@@VinnyDeez- damn, of all the hobbies the two of yours is like top expensive ones.
@@ttchme9816 I’m done for ,fishing is about to start up soon in oct-dec i also stopped spending money on my pc 😂
Any time I lend someone money, I only do it if I can live with it never being paid back.
I have lost zero friendships over money, btw.
Mamarine sounds nice but I'm too broke so I can't get re-educated in the first place...
Welp. Gotta make money first then.
20k?!?!?! Holy shit. Maybe I should just stop playing gacha games from now on. And here I thought dropping $100 was already very bad ....sheesh
Rookie numbers.
must admit i dont really understand gacha, with vtubrs at least there's a real person in there somewhere
anywy great shabby subs as always mon petit translateur, arigatou beaucoup.
So... er... I played FGO for about 4 years-ish now. And, yeah, I spent about $25,000 on that game. Still playing and spending, but the spending has gone way down per year.
The best way to rid yourself of gacha addiction is to remind yourself that the thing you're attempting to win has no real world value. It's usually just some pixels. When you objectively see that pulling for gacha is a game where you only lose money, it takes the fun out of it.
It's funny to see how this mindset has migrated over to crypto. No real world value yet people are spending vast sums of cash with actual real world value for it.
I've heard that playing kancolle arcade costs the players 150usd a day and it's something people would play daily at least in the before times
and keep in mind that she is not a whale like Suisei and Fubuki...
There's this chinese gacha game I play everyday, and man... My priorities are really weird right now
Be honest How much you spend on that game?
@@lemonking8869
$$ = zero
Time = ♾️
It be like that
holy shit senchou
18000 USD on Gacha?!?! good thing you managed to stop
I remember back in the day when gatcha mobile games first got "mainstream".
I posted some clips from seminar about loot box on some facebook gatcha games group.
I've got instaban.
the wrong isn't in the developers.
the wrong is within our self.
I just lost the 50/50 on genshin but really want raiden shogun but can't without spending more money then I should gacha is rough.
Edit:Well 10 pulls later and I got her anyway 0.6% feels good
I feel her i spent like 5k on gatchas and it doesn't even feel bad until you count it all up and you realize you could buy a used car with that .jpeg money
If hololive gets a gatcha game pray for me y'all
The only game i ever gave money to were LOL and planetside 2. Well planetside is a banger and the 5€ i gave them were absolutely worth it, but i will always regret to have given 50 bucks to lol. They just do not deserve them.
the whole video: Maririn being cute af.
She basically a whale in gacha games
She's a pirate and a whale at the same time
6:45 been there :')
I never spent a single Dollar on Gacha and never will. For me it's same as if you were burning the money or throwing it out of the window. Thats why I will never send superchats to the hardcore Gacha addicts, like for example Sui-chan. I really like her, but if the money I would give her just get's used for Gacha, then that's just pointless.
you're right, at least Marine uses her supacha money to fund expensive projects.
@@greciasoleble but suisei too using that money for hers albums and og songs too tho?
@@sacredriptide3382 This. The nuance here is that some are addicted and still work hard to fulfill their fans. So I'd say its a fine line. But OTOH, you don't have to feel compelled to give them money as they make quite a bit as entertainers.
I actually don't mind if they use my superchats for gacha. It's kind of whatever. What I don't like to financially support is vtubers spending my money on things that affect their health (e.g. Lamy's obsession with drinking)
@@wilson2938 I don't think you can call that an obsession, I mean she streams almost every day and probably has other meetings and lessons in between, so it can't be that bad. Nothing wrong with enjoying some alcohol now and then.
And this, is why you should not support games that have predatory microtransaction mechanics like lootboxes or card packs in any way. Buying into those, you are gambling, the game and the company behind it wants to pretend that it's not gambling, but it is. These "surprise mechanics" will not give you anything of value in return, and should be viewed with contempt.
yo she sound really sad when she said that she spend 2000000 yen
Holy shit, 2 mil yen???
Relatable 👀
what's the name of the song at the end? -I can't remember it and it's driving me insane-
Found it, if anyone cares it's Handel's Sarabande from Suite in D minor
7:45 I thought for sure Shabby was gonna include a pic of Astel somewhere in the background, lol
$18000!!!!!!!! Bro, wtf?
well i do gacha , every month 10% of my salary fix goes to gacha 40% goes to daily life 50% for buying hololive goods
I also spend monthly (?) on gacha but I’ve never gone over the $30 threshold or spend more than once a month. Only on holidays like Black Friday do I splurge (like around $140). Thank god for salaries. I don’t think I’d be playing a gacha game if I worked minimum wage. That would suck. After doing the math, yearly, I spend about 0.45% of my salary on gacha. And that’s when just skins. I don’t buy enhancements or stuff like that. I always thought I’d never become that person but here I am, spending almost $400 a year on AL. The rest of my salary though… I wonder where that goes off to…
@@garygarygary333 haha i never goes to game MMORPG or anything all just like.. gacha game.. all for waifu
no waifu no life.. hahaa
I only spent 400$ on mobile games in my life
jesus, senchou wasted so much money on gacha
I was addicted to spending on honkai impact 3rd i think i spent about $1,000 so i did the same thing and just stopped all together. I moved over to azur lane which is very user friendly and spending feels like something you do to say thanks to the developers. 1 year of honkai = $1000, 3 years of azur lane = 300 of money i don't miss.
And in the end, all that money spent on Honkai goes to West Taiwan. Genshin too. Don't feed the CCP beast.
This is why I just stick to GSSR in FGO.
Yagoo was like Ushijima and made her work off her debt at hololive. ;)
Everyone has their weak spot. I spent a fair amount of money on TCG, TTG, PC Games and other stuff like that. My best friend spents a good amount of her money on cosmetics and clothing. In the end you just give your body a small serotonin boost, and do feel happy.
The dislikes come from gacha companies it seems lmao
Try getting into 20 year old Japanese sport cars.
You will be poor for the rest of your life.
The real question is: THE FUCK SENCHOU GOT 2 MILLION YEN FROM!?
Have that while paying living expenses takes at least 2 years!
How long has senchou been stuck on gacha? I am kinda worried now...
Thanks shabby for checking
Remember, that was a savings account, so I think it was set up by her parents when she was younger. That said... spending that much money on gacha in a short period of time gets a "yikes" from me.
ah~ the gacha life be like
Wait till you get a stable income. I know guys who spent thousands on that stupid clash of clans game. 20k? I'd believe it.
Gambling can become a serious problem, but in Japanese society, which is not so accustomed to socializing, it can be much worse. Socializing isn't always the solution, but it can keep your mind busy. If you only work, and you go home, and again to work, your monotonous life leads you to look for stimuli that break that, and if you don't have friends to meet, talk, and do things, it is much worse. In my country there is also gambling, but there are also many ways in which someone can be busy with more people, which can prevent you from doing those things, even if it is due to social shame.
As the 666 like I am obliged to say this...
...200万円 is amateur numbers... I spent about 40k USD in 2016 then 2017...
I'll say this again like I did on stream. Don't call me out like this lol
Also don't become like me. Simp responsibly.
Japanese culture of seeking happiness by gamble is just the worst , i know it since my japanese dad like that too until he lost his company and go bangkrup 😢
And that’s just a statement… an old one too. Who know what it was exactly and what it is now
She did not mean the first chapter of Ushijima-kun, but any one of the chapters of Ushijima-kun.
What's unemployment benefits? :O
many countries give a monthly payment to unemployed people so they don't have to be homeless
Like a salary but it's much less