Little disappointed that "Historic Premillenialism" wasn't elaborated on, as it appears to be the oldest end times view out there (albeit, not currently held to widely). Conversely, there are adherents of that view would see a some kind of distinction of the church and Israel.
Hey Mike. I thought your explanation of the Amil position was way off. Maybe it was the idealist part that that made it weird. Lol. I don’t know anyone who believes what you just explained. Voddie Baucham and Kim Riddlebarger have great teachings on this. Also, Sam storms book “Kingdom Come” is a great book on the Amil position. I’m not even sure on my eschatology because I have questions with all of them. I do believe that the Amil position makes some very valid points and should be better understood. Btw, I love your channel!! 💜
Chuck Missler would say that all the time. In fact he would say that Luke, in Acts 17:11, would tell you not to trust anything anyone says but search the scriptures daily to see if what you hear is so. He would also say that if you just excepted what he said without doing your homework you failed. His studies are also very fascinating.
@@josephrohland5604 yes, and I'm sure every person from each view would say theirs is the right one, but I was referring to the fact that he concedes that he doesn't know everything, not just in this video. He will always say if he isn't sure or if he just doesn't know, most leaders will not do that and if they do it is rare.
Christians for 1500 years held the historist view. All these other views are very new. Last 200-500 years. The pope is still the antichrist and Rome still runs the world.
Jesus says that no one knows the day or the hour. So I don't think we're supposed to know the day and the hour. What we do know is that Jesus told us to get ready for his coming and to be sober minded. How do we get ready. Believe the gospel!!! And share the gospel!!
My favorite old church joke: The pre trib says, “The Lord loves me too much to let me suffer through the Great Tribulation.” The post trib says, “I love the Lord enough to suffer through the Great Tribulation.” The mid trib says, “Hey, I can only take so much!”
@@soldier7332 I believe you missed the whole point. We don’t need to worry about the future to where it destroys the Body of Christ. We’re not God and so cannot know the future.
I like the way you hold your views lightly on a subject that can be interpreted in so many different ways. That's honest, humble, and an attitude I respect.
Please don't apologize for going long. We have been looking for a teaching like this for years! One that fairly represents different theories or perspectives on prophecy. If you did a seven hour teaching book by book through end times prophecy, we would watch the heck out of that!
Great video! I’m a “realist”. The realist view is “I am here today...I don’t know what tomorrow will bring and I am okay with that because I know our God has got this”. I wasted way to much of my life searching out all of these different views. The “doom and gloom” was where I got stuck for years and it did nothing but cause depression. Let’s live for today and love one another the way he loves us ♥️🥰
Mathew 6 33,34 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
As Mike Warnke used to say, I'm a Pan-Millenialist. I think it's going to pan-out the way God wants it to, and the thing is not to know when, but to be ready whenever. :) But great video, I learned a lot from this!
Thank you. The point isn’t to read all the headlines wondering “Is this it?”. The point is to be ready and serve Christ every day like it was your last, because one day it will be.
HISTORICIST VIEW CLARIFIED In summary, the historicist view sees events unfolding throughout the course of history. This view does not change based upon the different time periods in which it is employed, such as by having new layers built on top of it every hundred years (or so), as was supposed by mike. History does not change and for the same reason neither does the historicst view. This view looks at the Bible’s description of certain prophetic events and looks at history for matching events which correspond to the biblical description. Then by using the same methods of interpretation, this view deciphers future events that have not unfolded in history at present, but will; It incorporates preterism when appropriate and futurism when appropriate. Sometimes the historical events have already unfolded (preterism) and sometimes the historical events are still future (futurism). This is the most solid and consistent view of biblical eschatology and has been for hundreds of years. Daniels statue and four beasts represented 4 kingdoms spanning from Babylon to Rome divided. The little horn of Daniel 7 does things that the composite beast in revelation 13 does showing that these are the same powers in different symbols. Only one institution in history does what the little horn and composite beast do. The papacy. If the papacy is the beast, what’s its Mark? That’s the next logical question. Let’s ask them: “"Sunday is our mark of authority… The catholic Church is above the bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record. September 1, 1923 This was the most prominent view and remained so until the 19th century when other views that came out of the counter reformation became popular and mixed with other erroneous ideas. Preterism and Futurism came from two Jesuit priests Alcasar and Francisco Ribera. The Jesuit’s, founded in 1534 by the Spanish noble Ignatius Loyola and officially recognized in 1540 by the pope five years before the council of Trent, were organized as part of the counter reformation whose sole aim was to counter the claims and arguments of the Protestant reformers. This was done by many means: torture, espionage, propaganda, infiltration, etc. These views whose origins come from the same people whom the Protestants Called Antichrist, were then mixed together with Darby’s new dispensationalist ideas in the 1800-1900 hundreds and later they were incorporated into the Scofield reference Bible. Next they were presented in popular novels and movies like the left behind series. The world has forgotten their history. The reformers were right and the seat of popery is Antichrist. Isn’t it just fascinating how the world now subscribes to their eschatological views which just so happens to put the Antichrist either in the past or future? Seems like if they wanted to take the heat off of themselves they did a good Job. I’m a Protest-ant. That means i protest. But what? The same beast power that the Bible calls the whore of Babylon and who sits in the temple (Christian church) of God showing himself that he is God (the vicar of Christ). The woman was clothed with purple and scarlet (cardinals and bishops) and sits on seven hills (Vatican is conveniently placed between seven hills called the seven hills of Rome). The reformers were right. But the world has forgotten their history. If you don’t know who the beast is how can you prepare for the Mark of the beast or even determine what it could be? Putting the entirety of end time events wholly in the past or future is to become complacent because the sense of urgency to be diligent stewards and students of Gods word becomes less urgent. God has a specific message to go throughout the whole world: “Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people- saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” ( cf., Ex. 20:8-11) And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:6-12
Thank you so much for this!! I’ve been studying Revelation for almost a year and getting increasingly frustrated. Every pastor I listen to has a different opinion, and they’re all convinced they’re right. Just having the definitions for these views is immensely helpful. God bless!
What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
@John Eldred that used to bother me how the Bible calls Jesus the Lion of Judah and it refers to satan as a lion. Then I studied the lions and how they live in a group called a pride. Sooner or later a young male tries to take over. he is beaten by the Lion and kicked out and then he roams hungry and desperate. So I know God's Word is perfect. Whenever I find possible contradictions, when I dig in, I am sooooo blessed.
The Amil position isn’t speaking of a literal binding, it’s a figurative one and only for one specific purpose. God has limited or bound Satan for one purpose only, and that is he can’t stop the gospel from being spread throughout the nations. Those who hold the Amil position don’t actually believe that Satan is literally bound in chains and can’t cause any trouble throughout the Earth . We know that things on Earth are progressively getting worse and we’re in the end times. When Satan is loosed we believe that God no longer limits Satan and all the nations turn against the church/Christians.
“I don’t really care what your form of government is; serve Jesus in it.” - Mike Winger Is it bad that in a study on Revelation, this is the thing that stuck out most to me? Such a great mindset!
Well done! I have spent hours listening to you (and others) while driving tractor-trailer around Washigton, Oregon and Idaho and you have been a blessing. Your willingness to be used of God in such a powerful ministry requires a great deal of time, effort and learning. God Bless you and your helpers in your continuing commitment to the Truth of God's Word.
"A fourth of the earth dying is pretty much like a quarter of the earth dying." Wow, thanks Mike, that was the key to me understanding the whole dispensational theology!
Amen!!! What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
@@keithelrod777 if you actually believe GOD CREATED the whole world…THEN…let’s just assume He plans to Rule it….I certainly would Now I have a friend who is a full preterist…most of them also believe in theistic evolution….a tiny god who pushes life into one living cell then naps for 4.5 billion years…let’s just say a gazillion it has the same academic support In Revelation the clear text is …THE WHOLE WORLD…..confirmed by….”the ends of the earth”…only a moron would use that term to discuss the really tiny nation of Israel So let’s go old testament….before preterists existed…but not before God shared His Truth! Isaiah 49 Listen to me you islands…..NOT Israel! Hear this you DISTANT nation…definitely NOT Israel! The SERVANT will arise from Israel Bring back Jacob Gather Israel to Himself…..definitely Israel…..definitely happening right now Verse 6 God tells Jesus RESTORING ISRAEL….is TOO small a thing….notice here NOT destroying like 70AD, by satan and his little Roman army…..SAVING ISRAEL AND the second half…us gentiles Jesus will SAVE to the ENDS of the EARTH…..when it says earth, think…blue planet…3rd rock from sun…the globe …the sphere….you know…the whole earth And it is unfolding before our eyes….Jews in Israel…sharing Yeshua….RIGHT NOW…MULTIPLE GROUPS…confirming the prophecy 2600 years later…man God is so Awesome!
THANK YOU, Brother! "I could be wrong" is the most telling part of your words, and it makes me have great respect for you even BEFORE I hear what your actual stance is... Now, I'll listen to the rest of this.
Thank you very much for such a comprehensive analysis of those views! You always do a great job with organization and with laying out an objective perspective on theological subjects. The Lord's Blessings over you and your work on more videos in the future.
I really appreciate your videos. I especially enjoy your humility when you say “I hold this view loosely”. There’s a lot of wisdom in that statement. We are always learning, and as God’s Word is studied we have to be willing to “change our minds” to allow the scriptures to truly transform and renew our minds. Thank you Pastor Mike.
This includes all scripture for what was needed to understand then may be shown differently now because you now understand more in order to grow allow oneself to be corrected in all scripture always but only allow your self to be moved by scripture to be rooted in scripture
I’m sure you won’t even see this, but I’ve had a really hard time with my faith these last few months. You’ve been a light in my life amidst my struggle and are a clear reminder that even though it feels like I have, I haven’t fallen through the cracks. I haven’t been forgotten about by God. I was saved when I was 17, but I’ve only slowly changed these last few years and have seen God work in my life in various ways. Thank you for doing what you do. I wish more people knew who you were. God, Bless...
Fascinating stuff!! I could listen for hours. I have been running into a lot of post millennial/preterist viewpoints and this really helps me understand the different beliefs. I was brought up in a pre millennial, pre trib church and I learned stuff I didn't know about that view too!
Wow, that was a major undertaking on your part and I am very thankful that you did it. You really helped me understand all the positions. Of course I had to play it a few times bc there was so much to take in. Anyway, I just want to express my appreciation 🙏
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@@Apanblod I did that, and He spoke very clearly. I am excited for you because that is a prayer that He loves to answer. But it may not be when and how you expect.
Hi Mike! Faithful amillenialist from Sydney, where amillenialism is the predominant protestant view by a large margin (probs around 80%). Though I enjoyed learning a better defence and explanation of pre-mil and post-mil than I have heard before, I think that there is one strong lay argument for amillenialism that you neglected: the argument from uncertainty. We do not want to form eschatological doctrine that will either unnecessarily divide or distract the local church. This is perhaps also why amillenialism has such a diversity of belief within it, for it gives a general framework all Christians can assent to (e.g. the spiritual reign of Christ inaugurated by his salvific work as seen in Rev 5) whilst giving room to individual interpretation of particular events or prophetic parallels.
@@AChippendale I’m undecided too. I appreciated how Mike himself spoke about holding his decision loosely. Eschatology can be a real distraction and divisive. But I still desire to learn.
Biblical theology holds the End times displays events in three sections of the same event. Therefore, Pre-Millenium, Post-Trib, Pre-Wrath is the accurate eschatological doctrine. There is partial preterist view although dispensationalism is a false teaching. Satan has a final stand against God at the end of the millenium, as well. That is the only difference. There is a dispensation of Covenants which allow all those from differing regions to come to knowledge of Christ. All men will hear and allowing all mankind to accept the offer of Salvation. Apologia studios is a false teaching platform, with false teachers giving their philosophy. Amillenialism is false, pan-millenialism is false.
@@abashedsanctimony154 you might be right, your view sounds very reasonable. I was confused for awhile when I rejected dispensationalism as a valid hermeneutic because I connected it with a futurist view of eschatology. So I really appreciate the distinction being made. However, I’m hesitant to hold any view too tightly when it comes to secondary issues. It keeps me humble.
@@Hillbillywayfarer That's great to hear. Some teachers will be so convincing as if they are correct in their hermeneutics and philosophy, believing only the Holy Spirit will know. (futurist theology is actually a spirit of deception, so I understand). The counter to the deception, is to make another lie, which is Pre-Trib dual raptures or amillenialism (no rapture). Amos 9:2 is a good verse to study in detail, because every person was tested before their death biblically. Many have been taught a lie (but they also believed) by those who also teach they will be rewarded for simply teaching/receiving the Scriptures'. It's not true. Only God decides who is saved. Most who have taught Pre-Trib, are seminary trained, but not actual Scholars, (because the Greek LXX isn't correct.) Scholars and Jewish believers know that Pre-Trib is as false as the news telling you their stories are true, and of course many believe the news. Remember God doesn't see any person with respect as to their place on judgement day. The only distinction is if we have Christ's name on our forehead. (We have all played part in the crucifixion of Christ (Roman 3:23 all have sinned, all have put Christ to death) Take humble martyrs throughout history, Daniel, Hananiah the furnace and the lion's den weren't walks in the park. Nor were Roman martyrdoms.
Mike, thanks for delving into explaining these 5 perspectives. As a baby Christian, these different takes on Revelation are new to me! I learned a lot from this video. Definitely interested in reading Thomas Schreiner's New Testament Theology. God bless you, Mike--your videos have helped me a great deal in my walk with Christ.
Thank you very much for this Mike. Yesterday at church my Pastor spoke on the end times from a pre-millennial view, and I wasn't exactly sure where I landed on the view of Revelation/end-times events. Though I am still not sure what I believe on this topic (I need to do more study), this video has definitely helped me to better understand different views. I am going to keep studying, and hopefully find where I stand. Thanks!
I love these super in depth, long teachings and this is a subject Ive been studying intensely ans praying about and asking God to teach me how to interpret Revelation...great stuff. Something Ive realized is that you need to know and understand the rest of Scripture, to truly get the full picture of revelation.
What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
I know what you're saying, I've always wanted to understand bible interpretation too. I want to refer you to Andy Woods UA-cam channel. I use to not think it was possible to understand the book of Revelation but Andy Woods changed my mind and he was able to utilize scripture throughout the whole study. I highly encourage you and urge you to hear him because i discern your hunger for interpretation and I believe you will be blessed by what's actually revealed. God bless you friend. 🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@acts1711-bg4gs Also, if you check out Andy Woods channel, please check out Bruce Gore as well, that way you are much much more aware and more rounded, you will have a whole new perspective getting both perspectives.
Hey Bro. Mike, I truly enjoyed and learned a lot watching this video. My take is that you had done extremely well to meet your 3 goals. It's your approach how to share the Bible without dividing the body of the church nor condemning anyone's view that differ from you, is most worthwhile learning. Your approach is open and inclusive, yet providing the teaching of truth which are absolutely not negotiable. There are things that we just cannot be 100% sure that we should go easy. Love your approach in teaching the truth.
As I've gone through my life and different sufferings, I grew in my relationship with Christ because I could look at not only His suffering and overcoming, but all the apostles suffering. There is joy, learning, and hope in all suffering. As I continue to learn this, I've moved closer to a post tribulation rapture, because we are told that sufferings will happen but Christ will comfort us and give us strength to persevere through anything on this earth.
What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
You had me dying laughing when you were talking about the rebuilding of the city of Babylon and said "I didn't make a big deal out of it...thank God." 🤣
I have always questioned the ‘rapture’ scriptures. Thank you for letting me know that I am neither right nor wrong-because it is not clear-so I will remain vigilant and ready for whatever possible tribulations or challenges I may face. I will see my Lord in the end!
"Historic Premillennialism" is very different than "Dispensational Premillennialism". I have heard that many of the Early Church Fathers held what would be called "Historic Premillennialism" for the first 300-400 years until Augustine formed what now is called Amillennialism.
@@amyclutter7259 True. Though many dispensationalists (cessationists especially) push towards almost totally "not yet" and many (particularly charismatic) postmill folks push hard with the "already"
Thank you so much!! I was hearing a teaching from a hyper millennialist and had to get a better idea on eschatological views because I got so confused. This video was an answer to prayer! God bless.
Great video! I love how you broke down all these different views. Extremely informative!! Thank God for you, your study time is blessing the body of Christ!!
Was not looking forward to a drive in the snow into a long work day. Then I saw Mike did an end-times themed video on Revelation!! What a blessing today is going to be a great day!
I appreciate how you worked to create unity around a highly charged topic. Revelation and eschatology is unnecessarily divisive. I pray this will help break down the dividing wall of hostility between God's people over the eschatological treasure of Revelation. God bless you, @mikewinger
UA-cam forces me to listen to you and I love it 😂 every time a video I chose ends it goes DIRECTLY to one of your videos every time so I’ve learned to welcome your knowledge lol
Did the early church and apostles think that Jesus would return soon? Being ready, being watchful with hope and prayer for the coming of Jesus is NOT a bad thing.
After listening to this I've decided that one of my dogs is a hyper-pre-millenialist in that he's a certified spaz and constantly hopeful/expecting for treats and the other is an amillennialist in the sense that he's pretty mellow and expects the treats to get there when they get there...
More than 40 years ago I decided to go with the pan millennialist view that it will all pan out by the end of the millennium. This allows me to focus on current issues and let me Lord deal with the future.
Excellent 👌 thoroughly enjoyed this! Thank you for your dedication and sharing your research. I am blessed to be taught by someone so objective about teaching how our brothers and sisters are reasoning. It encourages me to feel more unity, not less! 🔥
I really appreciate this video. I don’t particularly have any opinion on this issue (nor do I think this is a particularly necessary issue to have an opinion on) cause I am poorly educated on it but I’d love to learn more about it. But it can be hard to find vids explaining all the different views in a reasonable and measured manner.
Well, you might then want to try the traditional way of understanding the Bible: Learn how to read it. Hermeneutics is important for anyone wanting to read the Bible properly for themselves.
You wrote, "I don’t particularly have any opinion on this issue (nor do I think this is a particularly necessary issue to have an opinion on)" Food for thought: 25 to 30% of scripture is eschatological in nature. That being said, God keeps His word, to tell us what He is going to do. To the world it is a proclamation of Himself, to the believer He gives understanding of HImself (Jeremiah 9:23-24). Maranatha!
@@williamredfield6006 I think it’s important to value it and try and understand it because as you said, revelation is on way God shows himself to us, but what I’m saying I don’t have an opinion on is how or when currently unfulfilled or debated unfulfilled prophecy and I don’t think it’s necessary on many prophecies especially when in much of eschatology, Jesus has openly said, we will *know* when we see it fulfilled.I am content in waiting on The Lord and being prepared for him by not trying to pinpoint what every single revelation might point to when the end times arrive.
I just pulled this video up. I have been working on this subject and you probably just saved me three weeks of research. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!° I will.confirm after watching
For years, I've really liked Steve Gregg, even though I've often disagreed with him on a number of things. He's definitely one of a kind. I've got all, or most, of his mp3 lectures stored up on a handy thumb drive that I can stick into my car stereo at leisure, so that I can try to glean valuable information while taking long, rambling country or coastal drives as I love to do.
This is so funny! So I was listening to this while I was at work today and I noticed the part when you said you hold your end time views very loosely. After about finishing half of the video I took my headphones off to give myself a break for a little bit and the song that was on the radio at work was... Hold On Loosely ! I love when God does funny stuff like that in my life! Thanks Mike for all your content. Your UA-cam channel has been a huge blessing in my life and I've learned a lot from you!
@@abigailbetts3421 Yeah well, I was Nazarene now I am a Southern Baptist. I guess I have grown to realize that when Jesus says no one will know the day nor the hour, he means it.
Pastor Winger thank you so much you have opened up my eyes to so much in revelations. This is one book that I was afraid to read as I’ve learned that I’ve rest in Jesus Christ. I am not afraid of this book anymore. Thank you for your teaching may God continue to bless you.
I truly enjoyed this teaching! Thank you Pastor. I feel as Christians, we need to be more open to other views that do not conflict with our salvation. Usually we go into a bubble and is sad to see the majority being unaware that other views even exist.
It was great to hear you talk about this topic. I was brought up pre-mill, pre-trib but I became amillenialist after reading Martin Lloyd Jones and hearing my pastor speak on Revelation. But, my amill understanding about Revelation is a little different from what you describe. I believe much of Revelation is a series of parallel stories/accounts giving different perspectives on the same period/s of time. I believe the stories do describe what will/is taking place but from different vantage points. The 1000 year reign is understood in the same way as when Jesus said that the kingdom of God had arrived: present but not all pervasive. I hope this helps.
@Phil Jones you read it wrong, JESUS is the Kingdom arrived and ascended to prepare a place for HIS bride. It's the "time of the Gentiles be fulfilled" we're living in now, almost over; Lk. 24. It reads 70 ad (Ezek. 4:6,7) Iron pan siege followed by desolations of Jerusalem with Gentiles treading on the "Holy City" still on going. It will end when Jerusalem becomes the Capital of Israel.
Michael Brown is definitely not Post-millennial. He believes in a future Antichrist. I went from Pre-millennial Dispensationalism to Post-millennialism to Full Preterism. Winger doesn't even come close to understanding Full Preterism. Bottom line 💯% of the OT has been fulfilled. And 95% of the NT has been fulfilled and our final destination and home is in heaven with our Lord.
I think that Revelations is meant to leave people wondering. That we are to read it, yet can’t fully understand what it means. False Prophets know this and use it. So it’s better to live your life, read the Bible, study it, and live. We don’t have to know everything, nor should. Live your life, sing to Jesus and our Father, read, find the path that was pathed for you. Leave all the tomorrows up to God.
What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
I don't know where to begin. But thank you so much for this summary. It is a lot to digest but the information is simply a lot to digest. How our human desire to simplify everything, including the motives of others, cannot always be satisfied. I appreciate the intellectually honest approach of presenting each view with its strengths and weaknesses. I particularly appreciate your willingness to acknowledge that your own view may taint how you see other views. Although I must give you credit that I did not see that here. I appreciate your loving approach and your continual willingness to seek out and digest additional information that others might provide. This was such a great tool for me. Thank you again. May God bless you and your work.
My first time hearing you! And I must say what a breath of fresh air! I do not attend any church as I've been burned too many times, Mormons, Armstrongs WWCG Cult and other lesser known cults. I really like your approach to understanding the bible. Thank you so much for your excellent analysis of the different views of Revelation and the end times.
I'm amazed and thrilled you got through all this, and actually made sense!! Thank you! Still reading on Revelation so not firm on what it all means. I trust and keep my eyes on Jesus!
Best book I've read about end time is The Footsteps of the Messiah, by Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum. Its 25 years old but still accurate. It just ties Old Testament prophecy with Revelation.
I totally respect that you encourage people not to just hold to your view! In my Christian walk, I have on occasions changed my view as the Lord sanctifies me and reveals to me His truth. I listen and consider many views and I have sometimes gone in the total wrong direction! But the Lord my God through faith and my conviction for truth and nothing but truth has always by His grace brought me back from deception and shown me truth! That truth is based on His word! Not man’s interpretation of it, but the conviction of the Holy Spirit in me that allows and brings me back to His word! He has and does allow us to go wrong and I have many times and even big time when I became a JW! But ultimately, once the lesson is learned, He brings us right back to His word! The authority! So thank you pastor Mike, I appreciate your honesty and transparency.
I feel like I’m pre-mil and historicist at the same time. Doesn’t seem like prophecy is either about 70AD or future only. I think it covers 70AD, history of church including Catholic Church, and future coming of Christ, Gog of Magog war, etc.
Post-trib rapture, premillennialist here (as you say, loosely). Thank you so much for laying all this out. Very helpful in understanding all the different views.
@@williamredfield6006 I don’t see a pre-trib rapture in scripture, which makes it a bit difficult to “prove” something that is not. There are numerous verses that refer to the church being gathered “at the last trumpet” which I feel contradicts scripture if you argue that that the 7 trumpets happen after the rapture. There are also numerous times we are encouraged to “endure to the end”. To me, one of the most convincing arguments against the pre-trib timeline is found in I Thess 5:1-5, which argues against Christians being taken as a “thief in the night” specifically verses 4-5. 2 Thess 2:3 also tells us “THAT day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed (the Antichrist)”. I Thess 4:16 also speaks of his coming with cries and a trumpet, which is not in agreement with a secret rapture. I further believe that the harvest in Revelation 14 (starting in verse 14) is the gathering of the Saints, just as taught in the parable of the wheat and Tares. This is far from exhaustive, but I hope represents some of the scripture I hold to. I also think that The Rapture Debate with Joe Schimmel on Good Fight Ministries offers a good answer to pre-trib thought (not that I’m brushing you off to someone else as a defense, it’s just not feasible to have an entire debate in a comment section. Lol) If you have any scripture that definitely identifies a pre-trib timeline I would be happy to discuss.
@@williamredfield6006 a further thought, Jesus told us we would be subjected to Tribulation, as does Peter. We are told we are not appointed to “wrath”, which is appointed at the very end on unbelievers and an eternity in hell. God’s wrath for OUR sins was poured out on Christ on the cross, this is not the same as tribulation.
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Time Stamps for Quick Reference:
0:00 Introduction & Overview
1. 4:09 Post Millennial/Preterist
2. 39:40 Hyper-Preterist
3. 45:11 Dispensational Pre-Millennial/Futurist
4. 1:05:17 Progressive Dispensational Pre-Millennial/Futurist
5. 1:16:02 Amillennial/Idealist
6. 1:29:28 Historicist
Thank you for your hard work Sarah !
@@aeolian7556 My pleasure! :)
Thanks 🙏😊
Little disappointed that "Historic Premillenialism" wasn't elaborated on, as it appears to be the oldest end times view out there (albeit, not currently held to widely). Conversely, there are adherents of that view would see a some kind of distinction of the church and Israel.
Hey Mike. I thought your explanation of the Amil position was way off. Maybe it was the idealist part that that made it weird. Lol. I don’t know anyone who believes what you just explained. Voddie Baucham and Kim Riddlebarger have great teachings on this. Also, Sam storms book “Kingdom Come” is a great book on the Amil position. I’m not even sure on my eschatology because I have questions with all of them. I do believe that the Amil position makes some very valid points and should be better understood. Btw, I love your channel!! 💜
"I could be wrong" Wow you don't hear that hardly at all when eschatology is discussed. Refreshing.
Isn't it!!!!!!!!!! I completely agree!!!!!
Chuck Missler would say that all the time. In fact he would say that Luke, in Acts 17:11, would tell you not to trust anything anyone says but search the scriptures daily to see if what you hear is so. He would also say that if you just excepted what he said without doing your homework you failed. His studies are also very fascinating.
@@melz3671There is one of the six views (Preterism) that will lead you to the correct view not listed, AIO/Ancient Israel Only.
@@josephrohland5604 yes, and I'm sure every person from each view would say theirs is the right one, but I was referring to the fact that he concedes that he doesn't know everything, not just in this video. He will always say if he isn't sure or if he just doesn't know, most leaders will not do that and if they do it is rare.
@@melz3671 Yet, he has many followers who believe most of what he says just like most self-appointed "Christian wannabes".
"Trust me when I say, don't trust me."
Mike, your wisdom is only matched by your humility.
Your humility in handling scripture has earned you a new UA-cam follower.
Thank you for doing this.
Yes I love how Mike manages to be respectful and yet authoritative at the same time when he talks about other beliefs
Amen!!!
And another!
Christians for 1500 years held the historist view. All these other views are very new. Last 200-500 years. The pope is still the antichrist and Rome still runs the world.
You do realize Revelations is fanfiction tacked on centuries later right?
I am so relieved I am not the only Christian that does not have eschatology all figured out 100%.
I’m definitely an eschatological 1%er. Lol
No Christian has it all figured out. Thank God we serve a Lord who has it all figured out though!
None of us do
Jesus says that no one knows the day or the hour. So I don't think we're supposed to know the day and the hour. What we do know is that Jesus told us to get ready for his coming and to be sober minded. How do we get ready. Believe the gospel!!! And share the gospel!!
@@tromboneman4517We're just children... 😂. Dad has it covered!!
My favorite old church joke: The pre trib says, “The Lord loves me too much to let me suffer through the Great Tribulation.” The post trib says, “I love the Lord enough to suffer through the Great Tribulation.” The mid trib says, “Hey, I can only take so much!”
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Is it OK if I tell you which view was right when we are in Heaven? That way I will know 100% sure which is right :-)
Hilarious
But dang, I'd rather be in the first two the pre or the mid
Lol. But notice which group puts the emphasis on grace, not works or human ability. :)
It is so refreshing to just be able to say, "love one another no matter what your end times thought is."
@@soldier7332 I believe you missed the whole point. We don’t need to worry about the future to where it destroys the Body of Christ. We’re not God and so cannot know the future.
@@proverbs2522 That's not quite what Paul said at 1 Cor 15:33 is it?...
I like the way you hold your views lightly on a subject that can be interpreted in so many different ways. That's honest, humble, and an attitude I respect.
Please don't apologize for going long. We have been looking for a teaching like this for years! One that fairly represents different theories or perspectives on prophecy. If you did a seven hour teaching book by book through end times prophecy, we would watch the heck out of that!
This is an especially relevant comment after Mike’s near 7 hour video on head coverings came out 3 days ago! 😂🙏🏼
@@nyssalynniehaha. What’s hilarious about it is head coverings sound so simple compared to eschatology.
Agreed! Do that mike!
Amen! 🙏✝️🙏
Great video! I’m a “realist”. The realist view is “I am here today...I don’t know what tomorrow will bring and I am okay with that because I know our God has got this”. I wasted way to much of my life searching out all of these different views. The “doom and gloom” was where I got stuck for years and it did nothing but cause depression. Let’s live for today and love one another the way he loves us ♥️🥰
Jesus could come at any moment, let that give you hope!
Jesus said that we should watch for these times. Matthew 24.
But be ready.
Mathew 6 33,34
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
It’s no more doom and gloom than the story of Lord of The Rings is doom and gloom:)
As Mike Warnke used to say, I'm a Pan-Millenialist. I think it's going to pan-out the way God wants it to, and the thing is not to know when, but to be ready whenever. :) But great video, I learned a lot from this!
Love the way you put this!
Thank you. The point isn’t to read all the headlines wondering “Is this it?”. The point is to be ready and serve Christ every day like it was your last, because one day it will be.
That joke was funny the first thousand times I heard it.
@@tomgeorge7281 It was more than a joke, but okay. God bless!
HISTORICIST VIEW CLARIFIED
In summary, the historicist view sees events unfolding throughout the course of history. This view does not change based upon the different time periods in which it is employed, such as by having new layers built on top of it every hundred years (or so), as was supposed by mike.
History does not change and for the same reason neither does the historicst view. This view looks at the Bible’s description of certain prophetic events and looks at history for matching events which correspond to the biblical description. Then by using the same methods of interpretation, this view deciphers future events that have not unfolded in history at present, but will; It incorporates preterism when appropriate and futurism when appropriate. Sometimes the historical events have already unfolded (preterism) and sometimes the historical events are still future (futurism). This is the most solid and consistent view of biblical eschatology and has been for hundreds of years.
Daniels statue and four beasts represented 4 kingdoms spanning from Babylon to Rome divided. The little horn of Daniel 7 does things that the composite beast in revelation 13 does showing that these are the same powers in different symbols. Only one institution in history does what the little horn and composite beast do. The papacy. If the papacy is the beast, what’s its Mark? That’s the next logical question. Let’s ask them:
“"Sunday is our mark of authority… The catholic Church is above the bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record. September 1, 1923
This was the most prominent view and remained so until the 19th century when other views that came out of the counter reformation became popular and mixed with other erroneous ideas. Preterism and Futurism came from two Jesuit priests Alcasar and Francisco Ribera. The Jesuit’s, founded in 1534 by the Spanish noble Ignatius Loyola and officially recognized in 1540 by the pope five years before the council of Trent, were organized as part of the counter reformation whose sole aim was to counter the claims and arguments of the Protestant reformers. This was done by many means: torture, espionage, propaganda, infiltration, etc.
These views whose origins come from the same people whom the Protestants Called Antichrist, were then mixed together with Darby’s new dispensationalist ideas in the 1800-1900 hundreds and later they were incorporated into the Scofield reference Bible. Next they were presented in popular novels and movies like the left behind series.
The world has forgotten their history.
The reformers were right and the seat of popery is Antichrist. Isn’t it just fascinating how the world now subscribes to their eschatological views which just so happens to put the Antichrist either in the past or future?
Seems like if they wanted to take the heat off of themselves they did a good Job. I’m a Protest-ant. That means i protest. But what? The same beast power that the Bible calls the whore of Babylon and who sits in the temple (Christian church) of God showing himself that he is God (the vicar of Christ). The woman was clothed with purple and scarlet (cardinals and bishops) and sits on seven hills (Vatican is conveniently placed between seven hills called the seven hills of Rome). The reformers were right. But the world has forgotten their history. If you don’t know who the beast is how can you prepare for the Mark of the beast or even determine what it could be?
Putting the entirety of end time events wholly in the past or future is to become complacent because the sense of urgency to be diligent stewards and students of Gods word becomes less urgent. God has a specific message to go throughout the whole world:
“Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people- saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” ( cf., Ex. 20:8-11)
And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:6-12
The ability to keep me engaged for nearly 2 hours with no special effects is an amazing gift from God. Thank you for this video. God bless
Thank you so much for this!! I’ve been studying Revelation for almost a year and getting increasingly frustrated. Every pastor I listen to has a different opinion, and they’re all convinced they’re right. Just having the definitions for these views is immensely helpful. God bless!
If Satan is currently bound, I'd hate to see him loosed. 🙃
What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
@John Eldred that used to bother me how the Bible calls Jesus the Lion of Judah and it refers to satan as a lion. Then I studied the lions and how they live in a group called a pride. Sooner or later a young male tries to take over. he is beaten by the Lion and kicked out and then he roams hungry and desperate. So I know God's Word is perfect. Whenever I find possible contradictions, when I dig in, I am sooooo blessed.
@@keithelrod777 stop abortion
AMEN! You would have to be blind not to see an increase in wickedness and Satan’s rise and grab for power currently going on...
The Amil position isn’t speaking of a literal binding, it’s a figurative one and only for one specific purpose. God has limited or bound Satan for one purpose only, and that is he can’t stop the gospel from being spread throughout the nations. Those who hold the Amil position don’t actually believe that Satan is literally bound in chains and can’t cause any trouble throughout the Earth . We know that things on Earth are progressively getting worse and we’re in the end times. When Satan is loosed we believe that God no longer limits Satan and all the nations turn against the church/Christians.
“I don’t really care what your form of government is; serve Jesus in it.” - Mike Winger
Is it bad that in a study on Revelation, this is the thing that stuck out most to me? Such a great mindset!
The American Forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
Amen, God bless you!!
Had our fore fathers obeyed the government they were under... Romans 13
America wouldnt exist.
In this hyperpoliticized era, I don't know how that statement could NOT stick out. And it needs to be repeated loudly and often in the Body of Christ.
I'd love to see you try to do that in the German government when a certain guy who didn't go to music school was ruling it.
Well done!
I have spent hours listening to you (and others) while driving tractor-trailer around Washigton, Oregon and Idaho and you have been a blessing. Your willingness to be used of God in such a powerful ministry requires a great deal of time, effort and learning. God Bless you and your helpers in your continuing commitment to the Truth of God's Word.
God bless you brother
I find the historical view is the most clear and comprehensive.
The best thing I love about this subject is... I don’t need to know the future. Faith in Christ is all I need to make it through.
Unless you're going to be in it
Glory To GOD!!!
@Bryan Coray I’m not advocating for ignorance, I’m recognizing grace in misinterpretations.
I believe I am ready, so I wait and trust in our saviour. Amen.
Amen
"I don't care whatever your form of government is serve Jesus in it."
Thanks Mike. This blessed me so much and you weren't even teaching on this.
Good work explaining all these different, often complex, views.
Thank you for this.
God bless.
"A fourth of the earth dying is pretty much like a quarter of the earth dying." Wow, thanks Mike, that was the key to me understanding the whole dispensational theology!
I think eschatology might be the topic of discussion we should have the most grace and the least dogmatism with among our brethren.
Amen!!! What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
You should watch Andy Wood's talk on Preterism. You have been deceived. God's covenant with the Jews is immutable, therefore, Preterism is false.
@@oystersoup3434 Hi!!! Let me know if you get this response. Mike Winger and or his moderators blocked/muted me. I wrote him a letter to unblock me.
Agree.
@@keithelrod777 if you actually believe GOD CREATED the whole world…THEN…let’s just assume He plans to Rule it….I certainly would
Now I have a friend who is a full preterist…most of them also believe in theistic evolution….a tiny god who pushes life into one living cell then naps for 4.5 billion years…let’s just say a gazillion it has the same academic support
In Revelation the clear text is …THE WHOLE WORLD…..confirmed by….”the ends of the earth”…only a moron would use that term to discuss the really tiny nation of Israel
So let’s go old testament….before preterists existed…but not before God shared His Truth!
Isaiah 49
Listen to me you islands…..NOT Israel!
Hear this you DISTANT nation…definitely NOT Israel!
The SERVANT will arise from Israel
Bring back Jacob
Gather Israel to Himself…..definitely Israel…..definitely happening right now
Verse 6 God tells Jesus RESTORING ISRAEL….is TOO small a thing….notice here NOT destroying like 70AD, by satan and his little Roman army…..SAVING ISRAEL
AND the second half…us gentiles
Jesus will SAVE to the ENDS of the EARTH…..when it says earth, think…blue planet…3rd rock from sun…the globe …the sphere….you know…the whole earth
And it is unfolding before our eyes….Jews in Israel…sharing Yeshua….RIGHT NOW…MULTIPLE GROUPS…confirming the prophecy 2600 years later…man God is so Awesome!
THANK YOU, Brother! "I could be wrong" is the most telling part of your words, and it makes me have great respect for you even BEFORE I hear what your actual stance is... Now, I'll listen to the rest of this.
Thank you very much for such a comprehensive analysis of those views! You always do a great job with organization and with laying out an objective perspective on theological subjects.
The Lord's Blessings over you and your work on more videos in the future.
Very good distinction of vocabulary. Thank you for modeling that. May many learn biblical literacy.
I really appreciate your videos. I especially enjoy your humility when you say “I hold this view loosely”. There’s a lot of wisdom in that statement. We are always learning, and as God’s Word is studied we have to be willing to “change our minds” to allow the scriptures to truly transform and renew our minds. Thank you Pastor Mike.
This includes all scripture for what was needed to understand then may be shown differently now because you now understand more in order to grow allow oneself to be corrected in all scripture always but only allow your self to be moved by scripture to be rooted in scripture
I’m sure you won’t even see this, but I’ve had a really hard time with my faith these last few months. You’ve been a light in my life amidst my struggle and are a clear reminder that even though it feels like I have, I haven’t fallen through the cracks. I haven’t been forgotten about by God. I was saved when I was 17, but I’ve only slowly changed these last few years and have seen God work in my life in various ways. Thank you for doing what you do. I wish more people knew who you were. God, Bless...
God specializes in messed up people, because it's all he has to work with. God bless, Chance.
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Fascinating stuff!! I could listen for hours. I have been running into a lot of post millennial/preterist viewpoints and this really helps me understand the different beliefs. I was brought up in a pre millennial, pre trib church and I learned stuff I didn't know about that view too!
Wow, that was a major undertaking on your part and I am very thankful that you did it. You really helped me understand all the positions. Of course I had to play it a few times bc there was so much to take in. Anyway, I just want to express my appreciation 🙏
Whoever is reading this Jesus loves you ❤💓💗💖💕💛❤
Couldn't he tell me that in person if that was the case? 🤔
@@Apanblod ask Him and He will speak to you
@@warriorofjesus1439 Ok, I just did. I tried asking as open-mindedly as I could, now we just have to wait and see.
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@@Apanblod I did that, and He spoke very clearly. I am excited for you because that is a prayer that He loves to answer. But it may not be when and how you expect.
Just keep looking up. Whenever Jesus raptures His church, the timing is perfect.
Glory To GOD!!!
Know what God thinks of the lukewarm?
@Pepper exactly. Be zealous for God, or enjoy the only life you will ever know.
@Pepper i already have. Now, its time. Jesus is God, and there is no other God. Jesus told us who the synagogue of satan is.
Know thy enemy.
Are you looking in the wrong direction on one side of the earth? No, earth is flat.
Hi Mike! Faithful amillenialist from Sydney, where amillenialism is the predominant protestant view by a large margin (probs around 80%).
Though I enjoyed learning a better defence and explanation of pre-mil and post-mil than I have heard before, I think that there is one strong lay argument for amillenialism that you neglected: the argument from uncertainty. We do not want to form eschatological doctrine that will either unnecessarily divide or distract the local church. This is perhaps also why amillenialism has such a diversity of belief within it, for it gives a general framework all Christians can assent to (e.g. the spiritual reign of Christ inaugurated by his salvific work as seen in Rev 5) whilst giving room to individual interpretation of particular events or prophetic parallels.
Coming from 2023, it's weird to hear Mike saying that a 90 minute video is crazy long. I love long videos.
That was the least confusing presentation of a very confusing topic I’ve heard yet. Thanks Mike!
Agreed. I've been wrestling with this. This presentation helps enormously. I'm still undecided about where I stand though.
@@AChippendale I’m undecided too. I appreciated how Mike himself spoke about holding his decision loosely. Eschatology can be a real distraction and divisive. But I still desire to learn.
Biblical theology holds the End times displays events in three sections of the same event.
Therefore, Pre-Millenium, Post-Trib, Pre-Wrath is the accurate eschatological doctrine. There is partial preterist view although dispensationalism is a false teaching. Satan has a final stand against God at the end of the millenium, as well. That is the only difference.
There is a dispensation of Covenants which allow all those from differing regions to come to knowledge of Christ. All men will hear and allowing all mankind to accept the offer of Salvation. Apologia studios is a false teaching platform, with false teachers giving their philosophy. Amillenialism is false, pan-millenialism is false.
@@abashedsanctimony154 you might be right, your view sounds very reasonable. I was confused for awhile when I rejected dispensationalism as a valid hermeneutic because I connected it with a futurist view of eschatology. So I really appreciate the distinction being made. However, I’m hesitant to hold any view too tightly when it comes to secondary issues. It keeps me humble.
@@Hillbillywayfarer That's great to hear. Some teachers will be so convincing as if they are correct in their hermeneutics and philosophy, believing only the Holy Spirit will know. (futurist theology is actually a spirit of deception, so I understand).
The counter to the deception, is to make another lie, which is Pre-Trib dual raptures or amillenialism (no rapture).
Amos 9:2 is a good verse to study in detail, because every person was tested before their death biblically. Many have been taught a lie (but they also believed) by those who also teach they will be rewarded for simply teaching/receiving the Scriptures'. It's not true. Only God decides who is saved. Most who have taught Pre-Trib, are seminary trained, but not actual Scholars, (because the Greek LXX isn't correct.) Scholars and Jewish believers know that Pre-Trib is as false as the news telling you their stories are true, and of course many believe the news.
Remember God doesn't see any person with respect as to their place on judgement day. The only distinction is if we have Christ's name on our forehead. (We have all played part in the crucifixion of Christ (Roman 3:23 all have sinned, all have put Christ to death)
Take humble martyrs throughout history, Daniel, Hananiah the furnace and the lion's den weren't walks in the park. Nor were Roman martyrdoms.
Mike, thanks for delving into explaining these 5 perspectives. As a baby Christian, these different takes on Revelation are new to me! I learned a lot from this video. Definitely interested in reading Thomas Schreiner's New Testament Theology. God bless you, Mike--your videos have helped me a great deal in my walk with Christ.
Mike, please dont ever apologize for your videos being long! We thirst for sound biblical teaching! We couldnt care less how long they are
Thank you very much for this Mike. Yesterday at church my Pastor spoke on the end times from a pre-millennial view, and I wasn't exactly sure where I landed on the view of Revelation/end-times events. Though I am still not sure what I believe on this topic (I need to do more study), this video has definitely helped me to better understand different views. I am going to keep studying, and hopefully find where I stand. Thanks!
I love your channel, I feel like I'm getting free seminary lessons. Definetly worth binge watching.
I binge watch myself and also binge listen in my sleep. I've even had an interesting dream or two as a result.
Well, I took notes. Now time to read revelation for myself and use these notes to help me understand. Thanks. ✝️
Good method
If you want to learn eschatology, don't start with Revelation. Eschatology begins in the garden with the fall.
I love watching videos before the women in ministry series and laughing hysterically when Mike says “this is going to be a longer video.”
Love the study Mike, just like the rest of your content. Blessings brother and keep it up.
I love these super in depth, long teachings and this is a subject Ive been studying intensely ans praying about and asking God to teach me how to interpret Revelation...great stuff.
Something Ive realized is that you need to know and understand the rest of Scripture, to truly get the full picture of revelation.
What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
I know what you're saying, I've always wanted to understand bible interpretation too.
I want to refer you to Andy Woods UA-cam channel.
I use to not think it was possible to understand the book of Revelation but Andy Woods changed my mind and he was able to utilize scripture throughout the whole study.
I highly encourage you and urge you to hear him because i discern your hunger for interpretation and I believe you will be blessed by what's actually revealed. God bless you friend. 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Btw:
Andy Woods' view is Dispensational/Pre-Millennial.
@@acts1711-bg4gs Also, if you check out Andy Woods channel, please check out Bruce Gore as well, that way you are much much more aware and more rounded, you will have a whole new perspective getting both perspectives.
Hey Bro. Mike, I truly enjoyed and learned a lot watching this video.
My take is that you had done extremely well to meet your 3 goals. It's your approach how to share the Bible without dividing the body of the church nor condemning anyone's view that differ from you, is most worthwhile learning.
Your approach is open and inclusive, yet providing the teaching of truth which are absolutely not negotiable. There are things that we just cannot be 100% sure that we should go easy.
Love your approach in teaching the truth.
I love Mikes careful explanations given with humility and humour!
As I've gone through my life and different sufferings, I grew in my relationship with Christ because I could look at not only His suffering and overcoming, but all the apostles suffering. There is joy, learning, and hope in all suffering. As I continue to learn this, I've moved closer to a post tribulation rapture, because we are told that sufferings will happen but Christ will comfort us and give us strength to persevere through anything on this earth.
What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
You had me dying laughing when you were talking about the rebuilding of the city of Babylon and said "I didn't make a big deal out of it...thank God." 🤣
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I have always questioned the ‘rapture’ scriptures. Thank you for letting me know that I am neither right nor wrong-because it is not clear-so I will remain vigilant and ready for whatever possible tribulations or challenges I may face. I will see my Lord in the end!
Thank you! I remember when I was only a young boy and my Great Aunt explained everything in a very similar way. I’m in my 60’s lol. Good to hear. ❤️🙏🏼
"Historic Premillennialism" is very different than "Dispensational Premillennialism". I have heard that many of the Early Church Fathers held what would be called "Historic Premillennialism" for the first 300-400 years until Augustine formed what now is called Amillennialism.
“Already, but not yet” as Dr. Michael Heiser would say. It has already happened and it is also going to happen (probably on a greater scale).
Mike Heiser is a smart man then.
This phrase was coined (I believe) by author/theologian George Eldon Ladd who was actually a historic premillennialist.
I thought of this phrase as well. I think most Christians believe this in some way another, whether premil, amil, or postmil.
@@amyclutter7259 True. Though many dispensationalists (cessationists especially) push towards almost totally "not yet" and many (particularly charismatic) postmill folks push hard with the "already"
@@PresencePioneer I suppose that's why I waffle between historic premil and amil?
Thank you for your time doing this and trying to give each view a fair shake! Helpful!
Thank you so much!! I was hearing a teaching from a hyper millennialist and had to get a better idea on eschatological views because I got so confused. This video was an answer to prayer! God bless.
Great video! I love how you broke down all these different views. Extremely informative!! Thank God for you, your study time is blessing the body of Christ!!
Was not looking forward to a drive in the snow into a long work day. Then I saw Mike did an end-times themed video on Revelation!! What a blessing today is going to be a great day!
By chance I clicked on your profile and saw you were from West Virginia. Same here! Go Mountaineers!!!
I appreciate how you worked to create unity around a highly charged topic.
Revelation and eschatology is unnecessarily divisive. I pray this will help break down the dividing wall of hostility between God's people over the eschatological treasure of Revelation.
God bless you, @mikewinger
Haven't watched yet but I get the feeling this is going to be quite an undertaking. Can't wait to see where I stand in all this.
Thanks Pastor Mike. Very informative! I appreciate your humility when it comes to this topic.
This is probably the most helpful explanation of Christian views on Revelation that I’ve heard to date! Thanks so much for this, Mike! 🥳
Was going to say something smart and then say Bruce Gore... But you will figure it out
UA-cam forces me to listen to you and I love it 😂 every time a video I chose ends it goes DIRECTLY to one of your videos every time so I’ve learned to welcome your knowledge lol
Far out this is the best breakdown I've found so far. Thanks Mike Winger.
Did the early church and apostles think that Jesus would return soon? Being ready, being watchful with hope and prayer for the coming of Jesus is NOT a bad thing.
Yes.
Jesus says in the new Testament that some of his disciplines would see him return. Which they did, to be fair
Actually, in both the Parable of The Ten Virgins and The Wicked Servant Jesus made it clear that He would tarry.
What Christian would say it is a bad thing?
Jesus coming soon meant "Jesus was coming soon in the first century", not coming soon in our lifetime. WAKE UP, WANNABES, YOU MISSED IT!
@Desire Of All Nations It is especially bad when He promised and DID return in the first century. OOOPS!
After listening to this I've decided that one of my dogs is a hyper-pre-millenialist in that he's a certified spaz and constantly hopeful/expecting for treats and the other is an amillennialist in the sense that he's pretty mellow and expects the treats to get there when they get there...
More than 40 years ago I decided to go with the pan millennialist view that it will all pan out by the end of the millennium. This allows me to focus on current issues and let me Lord deal with the future.
Very good critique on the various views.Never really understood the amill view but this analysis made it clear.
Excellent 👌 thoroughly enjoyed this! Thank you for your dedication and sharing your research. I am blessed to be taught by someone so objective about teaching how our brothers and sisters are reasoning. It encourages me to feel more unity, not less! 🔥
God bless. Be careful with that hand emoji, it might be a 666.
I really appreciate this video. I don’t particularly have any opinion on this issue (nor do I think this is a particularly necessary issue to have an opinion on) cause I am poorly educated on it but I’d love to learn more about it. But it can be hard to find vids explaining all the different views in a reasonable and measured manner.
There a roundtable moderated by Piper that I really enjoyed on this topic.
@@skyeart273 yeah me too! The one with Sam Storms right? 😊😊🙏🏻
Well, you might then want to try the traditional way of understanding the Bible: Learn how to read it. Hermeneutics is important for anyone wanting to read the Bible properly for themselves.
You wrote, "I don’t particularly have any opinion on this issue (nor do I think this is a particularly necessary issue to have an opinion on)"
Food for thought:
25 to 30% of scripture is eschatological in nature. That being said, God keeps His word, to tell us what He is going to do. To the world it is a proclamation of Himself, to the believer He gives understanding of HImself (Jeremiah 9:23-24).
Maranatha!
@@williamredfield6006 I think it’s important to value it and try and understand it because as you said, revelation is on way God shows himself to us, but what I’m saying I don’t have an opinion on is how or when currently unfulfilled or debated unfulfilled prophecy and I don’t think it’s necessary on many prophecies especially when in much of eschatology, Jesus has openly said, we will *know* when we see it fulfilled.I am content in waiting on The Lord and being prepared for him by not trying to pinpoint what every single revelation might point to when the end times arrive.
I just pulled this video up.
I have been working on this subject and you probably just saved me three weeks of research.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!°
I will.confirm after watching
I am so thankful to God for your impartial and diligent study of the Scripture!
SO glad you mentioned Steve Gregg’s book!💛 He’s an EXCELLENT bible teacher!!
For years, I've really liked Steve Gregg, even though I've often disagreed with him on a number of things. He's definitely one of a kind. I've got all, or most, of his mp3 lectures stored up on a handy thumb drive that I can stick into my car stereo at leisure, so that I can try to glean valuable information while taking long, rambling country or coastal drives as I love to do.
This is so funny! So I was listening to this while I was at work today and I noticed the part when you said you hold your end time views very loosely. After about finishing half of the video I took my headphones off to give myself a break for a little bit and the song that was on the radio at work was... Hold On Loosely ! I love when God does funny stuff like that in my life! Thanks Mike for all your content. Your UA-cam channel has been a huge blessing in my life and I've learned a lot from you!
Thank you for your continued work and sharing your findings.
Thank you so much for this overview, it was really helpful.
I am a pan millennialist. It will will all pan out.
Lol. That’s basically the view of most Methodists.
Haha I heard that from my Biblical Worldview teacher 😂 I’m certainly with ya on that
@@sawyerbaggett7616 I just think some of it becomes dogmatic when it is actually doctrinal.
@@abigailbetts3421 Yeah well, I was Nazarene now I am a Southern Baptist. I guess I have grown to realize that when Jesus says no one will know the day nor the hour, he means it.
Matthew 16:2-3
Watch and pray 🙏
Two views confuse me, I can't handle six.
Tom Peers 😂 feel you there
You can read the book -the coming prince written by sir Robert Anderson, if you want I can provide you the link
@@erizeffry9988 have it & read it. But that book is about his first advent mainly.
Read the book Four Views Of The Millennium. Excellent book and very balanced.
Research the view known as A.I.O./Ancient Israel Only.
Pastor Winger thank you so much you have opened up my eyes to so much in revelations. This is one book that I was afraid to read as I’ve learned that I’ve rest in Jesus Christ. I am not afraid of this book anymore. Thank you for your teaching may God continue to bless you.
What a fantastic, objective study! Thank you so much, Pastor Mike!
Historicist here :)
I truly enjoyed this teaching! Thank you Pastor. I feel as Christians, we need to be more open to other views that do not conflict with our salvation. Usually we go into a bubble and is sad to see the majority being unaware that other views even exist.
You are truly a gifted teacher. Thank you for your work on this.
Thank you so much for this huge amount of detail. It really is appreciated! 🙏
It was great to hear you talk about this topic. I was brought up pre-mill, pre-trib but I became amillenialist after reading Martin Lloyd Jones and hearing my pastor speak on Revelation. But, my amill understanding about Revelation is a little different from what you describe. I believe much of Revelation is a series of parallel stories/accounts giving different perspectives on the same period/s of time. I believe the stories do describe what will/is taking place but from different vantage points. The 1000 year reign is understood in the same way as when Jesus said that the kingdom of God had arrived: present but not all pervasive. I hope this helps.
@Phil Jones you read it wrong, JESUS is the Kingdom arrived and ascended to prepare a place for HIS bride. It's the "time of the Gentiles be fulfilled" we're living in now, almost over; Lk. 24. It reads 70 ad (Ezek. 4:6,7) Iron pan siege followed by desolations of Jerusalem with Gentiles treading on the "Holy City" still on going. It will end when Jerusalem becomes the Capital of Israel.
Praise the Lord and when he comes to rule His Kingdom I will rejoice with praise and Worship for the King of Kings
Glory To GOD!!!
You're correct. Though we believe and teach the Gospel, we are definitely not " Christian"" The issue is not labels, it is Truth.
I was raised pre trib but after reading the Michael brown and Craig keener book “‘not afraid of the antichrist”, I’ve been convinced of post trib
Michael Brown is definitely not Post-millennial. He believes in a future Antichrist. I went from Pre-millennial Dispensationalism to Post-millennialism to Full Preterism. Winger doesn't even come close to understanding Full Preterism.
Bottom line 💯% of the OT has been fulfilled. And 95% of the NT has been fulfilled and our final destination and home is in heaven with our Lord.
I think that Revelations is meant to leave people wondering. That we are to read it, yet can’t fully understand what it means. False Prophets know this and use it. So it’s better to live your life, read the Bible, study it, and live. We don’t have to know everything, nor should. Live your life, sing to Jesus and our Father, read, find the path that was pathed for you. Leave all the tomorrows up to God.
What helped me was to realize that the Church Age aka Gospel Era aka "1,000" Year Reign aka "Millennial" Reign are all the same thing. "1,000" doesn't mean exactly "1,000" like when God says He owns the cattle on a "thousand" hills... in Psalm 50. I used to be confused on that 1/4 and 1/3 of the earth has yet to be destroyed, then I found out that the Greek word is ge that most Bibles translate as earth. When i hear earth, i think global earth, but if God meant global earth He would of used kosmos. Ge actually means soil, land, ground earth NOT global earth. So now I see that the 1/4 and 1/3 referred to the land of Israel not global earth. So that all did happen in 70AD. Also, I finally realized that satan is a spiritual being. he can't be locked up in Alcatraz etc. his heart is locked up in the chains of sin and death. We as humans are spiritual in our hearts. So satan is locked up right now and before we heard the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ we were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, the Gospel Message makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! The First Resurrection happened with Jesus in Matthew 27:52-54. If you get a chance look up Bruce Gore on You Tube. I also have several videos on Revelation on my channel, just search keith elrod.
Gal 2:20 is all that matters to me... Knowing Jesus more, trusting His leading, and loving others well.
AMEN
I don't know where to begin. But thank you so much for this summary. It is a lot to digest but the information is simply a lot to digest. How our human desire to simplify everything, including the motives of others, cannot always be satisfied. I appreciate the intellectually honest approach of presenting each view with its strengths and weaknesses. I particularly appreciate your willingness to acknowledge that your own view may taint how you see other views. Although I must give you credit that I did not see that here. I appreciate your loving approach and your continual willingness to seek out and digest additional information that others might provide. This was such a great tool for me. Thank you again. May God bless you and your work.
I love clarity, clarity is simple.
Just had my spinach, mushroom, cheese, and olive omlette. I'm ready to learn!
Yum. Olives on the side for me tho. I like them as snacks 🙌
Maranatha everyone 🙌🏻
My first time hearing you! And I must say what a breath of fresh air! I do not attend any church as I've been burned too many times, Mormons, Armstrongs WWCG Cult and other lesser known cults. I really like your approach to understanding the bible. Thank you so much for your excellent analysis of the different views of Revelation and the end times.
I'm amazed and thrilled you got through all this, and actually made sense!! Thank you! Still reading on Revelation so not firm on what it all means. I trust and keep my eyes on Jesus!
If you are a Christian and the world does not think you are strange you are probably trying to fit in a bit too much.
I don’t want them to see me as strange. I want them to see me in Gods image.
No one sees anyone anymore. Antisocial distancing, masks, lockdown hands face space protect the NHS yada yada....
Tell that to the Branch Davidians
Best book I've read about end time is The Footsteps of the Messiah, by Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum. Its 25 years old but still accurate. It just ties Old Testament prophecy with Revelation.
I totally respect that you encourage people not to just hold to your view! In my Christian walk, I have on occasions changed my view as the Lord sanctifies me and reveals to me His truth. I listen and consider many views and I have sometimes gone in the total wrong direction!
But the Lord my God through faith and my conviction for truth and nothing but truth has always by His grace brought me back from deception and shown me truth! That truth is based on His word! Not man’s interpretation of it, but the conviction of the Holy Spirit in me that allows and brings me back to His word! He has and does allow us to go wrong and I have many times and even big time when I became a JW! But ultimately, once the lesson is learned, He brings us right back to His word! The authority! So thank you pastor Mike, I appreciate your honesty and transparency.
As a Presbyterian, every time I try to open my Bible to revelation I accidentally start reading
Romans😢😢😢
I feel like I’m pre-mil and historicist at the same time. Doesn’t seem like prophecy is either about 70AD or future only. I think it covers 70AD, history of church including Catholic Church, and future coming of Christ, Gog of Magog war, etc.
Post-trib rapture, premillennialist here (as you say, loosely). Thank you so much for laying all this out. Very helpful in understanding all the different views.
Same here.
@@addictedtojesus922 Are you able to expound on your post-rapture position? (1 Peter 3:15).
Are you able to expound on your post-rapture position? (1 Peter 3:15).
@@williamredfield6006 I don’t see a pre-trib rapture in scripture, which makes it a bit difficult to “prove” something that is not. There are numerous verses that refer to the church being gathered “at the last trumpet” which I feel contradicts scripture if you argue that that the 7 trumpets happen after the rapture. There are also numerous times we are encouraged to “endure to the end”. To me, one of the most convincing arguments against the pre-trib timeline is found in I Thess 5:1-5, which argues against Christians being taken as a “thief in the night” specifically verses 4-5. 2 Thess 2:3 also tells us “THAT day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed (the Antichrist)”.
I Thess 4:16 also speaks of his coming with cries and a trumpet, which is not in agreement with a secret rapture.
I further believe that the harvest in Revelation 14 (starting in verse 14) is the gathering of the Saints, just as taught in the parable of the wheat and Tares.
This is far from exhaustive, but I hope represents some of the scripture I hold to. I also think that The Rapture Debate with Joe Schimmel on Good Fight Ministries offers a good answer to pre-trib thought (not that I’m brushing you off to someone else as a defense, it’s just not feasible to have an entire debate in a comment section. Lol)
If you have any scripture that definitely identifies a pre-trib timeline I would be happy to discuss.
@@williamredfield6006 a further thought, Jesus told us we would be subjected to Tribulation, as does Peter. We are told we are not appointed to “wrath”, which is appointed at the very end on unbelievers and an eternity in hell. God’s wrath for OUR sins was poured out on Christ on the cross, this is not the same as tribulation.
Mike, love your videos. Respectfully, just want to say that the criticisms you raised against amill are very easily answered by the position.
When we are reading a safety manual on emergency evacuation, having it open to multiple interpretations will cause more casualties......