Henry Lever Action 45-70 Review | YETI Slayer
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Introducing John West, the fakest cowboy in the all the land, reviewing the Henry Lever Action. Ice yetis don't stand a chance.
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"A resolute man, armed with one of these Rifles, particularly if on horseback, CANNOT BE CAPTURED." - Original advertisement for the 1860 Henry rifle
That’s bad ass! 🤠
Based.
Love the video! Hilarious! Anywho, if it was a 30-30 or 35, would be a much better rifle.
I love that lever guns are FINALLY coming back in style. Ive always loved em.
@Average GIJoe Outdoors i actually got one for my son (to go with his SAA)... Long story short, i ended up LOVING the lever gun.
A long time ago, my grandpa taught me how to shoot using a lever action shotgun (not an 1887). I loved it. I cant remember what it was though.
I intend on getting one in either 38/357 or 45-70... but ammo dictating, itll likely be a 38/357.
The only "bad" thing about them increasing in popularity is of course the price is going to go up even more. I am not sure what it is about a lever gun though, just like John was doing, I could shuck that lever back and forth all day long just to hear the sound, though I wouldn't because I hate needless wear on my firearms. I guess it is a lot like neurotically popping those plastic packing bubbles, you just can't pop just one.
@@seektruth3307 it always figures i get into something RIGHT before it gets popular. 300blk, lever guns, 10mm, its always something. Haha
@@jacksin3323 I hear yah. That happens with me. As soon as I start looking at something poof, everyone else got there two days before me. 🙄 Someday I would like to get something in the .357/.38 for the versatility since for any hunting I do that would be enough given lever actions are pretty much 100-150 yd brush guns. Of course I would love to have a 45-70 but I don't expect to be in bear/moose country any time soon nor do I want to spend so much per cartridge.
@@seektruth3307 i feel the same way. Id LOVE to catch a good deal on one. I keep looking at the lgs' but nothin ever really comes in. Ill get one one of these days... maybe when im an old man on my deathbed someone will gift me one. 😆
Either that dog is well trained to jump in on cue or that was a hell of an improvisation with "My dog is stupid, too..." Either way, it was funny and I actually laughed.
Garrett I bet your dog isn’t stupid he probably just does what he wants
That's exactly what I was thinking
That dog was actually brad pitt in costume
What's the time stamp?
Really you where impressed with that???? That was so minor and irrelevant I can't believe your impressed with that out of all things
I remember asking my uncle, a rancher from Bozeman if I could shoot off the horse I was riding, he said well John how many shots were you wanting to shoot? I said I just wanted to shoot one, he replied "well hell John any horse can be shot from if you're only going to shoot one shell." He had a great sense of humor. I miss him dearly.
True gold 🌟
Your uncle would probably hate to see what happened to Bozeman. Californians moved in and made it a shitt hole
I'm a little stupid and need explaining, is the joke that you can get away with one shot but after that you're gonna find yourself flying through the air? ;)
I bought a Henry 45-70 for the same reason anybody else would. You never know when Tyrannosaurus rex gonna break in your back door in the middle of the night, we’ve all watched the news reports. Only question you have to ask yourself is “do you wanna be ready?”
The 45-70 really shines if you're a reloader. Ballistics from 45ACP to near 458 Win Mag,bullet weights from
This was an absolute delight to listen to. Love John's sense of humor.
He's got a good sense of humor. Just dry enough.
I've loved lever guns ever since I was young going white tail hunting with my foster dad, back in 94. He had a beautiful Marlin 30-30.
I bought one of these to shoot with my father (for whom black and white westerns are the only acceptable form of non-sports entertainment) a couple of years back. Might not be the single most practical gun I own, but it is one of my favorite range toys. The brass front sight is excellent, grip texture is great, the smooth lever action is like nothing else, and with trapdoor Springfield loads, you can cut down on the next day shoulder pain dramatically, removing the only real downside not named “ammo price.”Plan on picking up the .357 in the near future.
I have a couple of those .357's and you will LOVE it. I scoped one for hunting. Me and my started picking up Henry's and I now have almost all calibers. The 44-40 is a sweet shooter too
I have the Henry X which allows for red dots, lights and a suppresor. You won't regret it if you get that. But the purdy brass traditional version is bomb too.
At first look, I read I bought this to shoot my father. Had to take a double look😅
Pick up that brass too and reload it.
With my two Henry’s, 45LC & 45-70. I have owned for 8yrs. I have never had a failure or a screw loosen up. Feeds and fires like clock work.
I have the 30.30and absolutely love it. The day my granddaughter was born (3 months ago). I went and purchased her a Henry .22. Early I know but at least she will have it.
As someone who grew up working summers on our ranch and traveling around working cows for other big ranchers in south Texas, I definitely need to get a Henry .45-70 someday! I was always the youngest guy on the crew, so I was usually the one down in the back of the chute having blood, crap, and kicks thrown my way. And I’ve still got the stained chaps and boots to prove it ha! Great content as always, much love from Texas!
John,
You’re a Ranger which entitles you to the honorary title of (contemporary) “cowboy.” Great vid. Cool rifle. Thanks for your service to our great nation! 🇺🇸 🤠
had me at 45-70, my license plate is TC4570, have 1 Marlin, and 12" and an 8" Contenders, maybe I also need a Henry, love that caliber, 45-70 the only Gov't I trust
Having a well creased hat is 9/10 of being a cowboy. Well done.
(But when you set it on the table, it’s always crown down)
Yeah I hate grim on the inner band.
Plus when you set it down, upside down, all yer luck will run out.
I wondered how far down I would have to read to find this comment. y'all didn't disappoint.
..Amen. Told him myself..
thank you for first leading this with a complement lol
Literally laughing out loud at this video! That was awesome. I already own a lever action (mandatory in Texas), but now I want a Henry 45-70! I hear you on the short effective range, but out here near Abilene in the middle of the cedar scrub country, there are very few sight distances that are over 100yds. If you see a deer or, more likely, a feral hog, it's going to pop out between 10 to 50 yards away (at least where I go hunting), so this rifle would be perfect for that!
30/30 KenM, you're in Texas
@@TheChewyTX LOL, exactly! The lever action that I mentioned owning (love that gun) IS a 30/30!
I have had one of these since 2014 & I cannot say enough good things about it. It is awesome to see a review of it. Well worth the money.
We hereby challenge the WPS team to a lever gun showdown. We also take credit for John's new addiction to 45-70 lever guns. Because that one time he shot our Henry X 45-70 and yelled "Wooo! Get some!" at the end. We have proof, we aren't scared to repost the video...
I have the Henry in 22 and love it. Also an older Marlin and 2 Winchester's in 30 -30 . Once you go lever action its hard to go with anything else..
The 18" barrel will keep the velocity and usable distance of the 45-70 down. Cartridge manufacturers use 24" test barrels to list their velocity and energy specifications. The 6" difference in barrel length between the test and actual firearm barrels, may have a significant impact in what the round is capable of doing from its initial design.
John, these Henry's don't like to be loaded with the lever open (down). If you load with the breach open it can lock up, same happens on my .357 big boy.
good tip, thx!
I’m partial to marlin. Got the 30-30 and the 45-70. I’ve been into lever and bolt guns much longer than the AR platform that’s for sure.
John your videos get better and better. Keep it up man it puts a smile on a lot of faces in these crazy ultra negative times. Good luck with the whole cowboy thing.
Yep Marlins have been my go to lever actions. Have one in most caliber versions.
Ruger started reproducing Marlins, but they are really expensive so far.
I’d die before I give up my 1895 cowboy in 45lc. Always wanted a 45-70.
I remember going hunting at 12 yrs old and my grandfather had a 45-70. Since then I've always been in aww of them and still want one for myself. I could fit my pinky in the barrel which was like holy cow.
Uhm... you shouldn't be putting your pinky in the barrel...
I went with an 1886 Winchester in 45 70 as designed by St John Moses Browning, 8 plus one, still a great design and it handles powerhouse 45 70 loads.
Way to go John, keeping that straight face at the intro was epic!....lol
Thanks for the laughs! I've owned a Henry 45/70 Golden Boy for over 10 years. Longer barrel and no side gate but, what a brush gun. Using a 350-grain bullet or a 300-grain bullet you can easily get up to 150 yards and it feels like you are shooting a 30/30 at most. Enjoy it "Cowboy"! Great, funny, and a hankerin' back to the Ole days.
As someone who never trail rides with out a 45-70, I can concur, this is de way
I appreciate this review. I just picked one of these up for myself. I have not shot it yet. I'm currently at the "I need boots." stage. Helpful to know what is headed my way.
That intro was hilarious!!! Also, I love my Henry lever gun in 41 Rem Mag. That is a beast of a rifle AND it won't relocate your shoulder to the ground!!! Good review, love your humor too! Till next time.
Bought a Henry. 22 for my son this year, we both love it!! I grew up with a marlin .30-.30, miss that gun!
I used a Winchester 30-30 saddle gun for deer hunting growing up in New Mexico and it was great at shorter ranges of 150 and in. Had to be REALLY good for anything longer.
I love my Winchester 94
I have a Marlin 336 in 30-30. Maybe not as nice as Johnny's piece but I like it.
@@clamum9648 Marlin is a great gun
I’ve had the.38/.357 for years and it is laser precise, and with the octagon barrel I don’t worry about barrel whip.
A little loctite goes a long way.
Can also vouch for Henry’s USA kickass warranty
Blue loctite.. 👍
I was thinking the same thing! 👍👍
I agree my stock came loose just tightened the screw . When I got it the fore end was a little loose and said I’ll tighten it later ( a mistake) the fore end came off and I saw that one of the screw heads on the fore end band was broken. I contacted Henry and they sent me the pieces I thought I need free of charge and got them in less than a week, and it happened again, so thru some research I discovered that the very front band was messed up it just slid in to the dovetail and I saw that it should have to be drifted in with a brass punch so I contacted them again and less than a week got the part and I think that did it I fired 30 rounds yesterday without a problem and they were fairly hot loads 405 grain at 1750 fps. I’m honing to go over the gun and add so locktite.
Beautiful rifle! I've recently been on a lever action kick. In the last month I have bought two Marlin 45-70s, one SBL and the other the Trapper. When the sun comes up I'm ordering a Henry in 357 with the color case receiver and octagonal barrel.
Definitely should add a 30-30 if you haven't already
@@cbeaudry4646 yes. I do have a couple Winchester 94s one was given to me by a friend years ago from the '80s and the other was made in 1951 (year my father was born).
Great, fun video. As a cowboy and a lever action lover, I really appreciated this. Yea, if you keep riding that horse, you'll walk like a cowboy in no time! My favorite saddle gun is a Marlin 1895 lever action .357. I do think the 45-70 would be a good addition, though.
Been loving the intros as much as the actual content. Keep that up. You're a funny guy
Just because a design is old doesn’t mean it’s outdated. It’s a useful tool if used properly. I have their Long Ranger in .556 and a Marlin in .44 magnum.
It's definitely outdated. Not necessarily obsolete though
Wait.. there's a 55.6 caliber lever action rifle? :P
@@robertf6523 I'm pretty sure 55.6 caliber doesn't even exist. :P
Typo aside, Henry does have a lever action chambered in 5.56/223.
Beautiful gun, exactly how id want mine with the blued steel and walnut wood. Been wanting one in 30-30 for awhile. Cool video!
All hat. Borrowed horse...see ya at the mall.
Hilarious episode WPS! One for the ages, just like the Henry. Bravo
The video from WPS that we didn't know we needed. Thank you for changing things up like this.
One tip set your hat upside down it protects the hat brim from being bent out of shape and keeps the luck in hat
I have to admit that this is one video I really enjoyed watching because it was entertaining, informative and fun.
John's getting much better at keeping a straight face, well done.
John the lock up issue more likely than not was the bullet nose shape. Very common with most lever action designs.
The second possibility is not working the action with vigor.
You are right those Henry rifles are well made , can take heavy loads ( not the wimpy standard low pressure loads) and can be quite accurate.
We need Warrior Poet Society cowboy hats.
I was shocked there wasn’t a patch on that hat
Well, there are cowboy poets so it doesn't seem that far off.
This is the VERY BEST opening I have ever seen on any social media platform. I was LMAO when you stated that, " My dog is stupid too...!" Great post. I feel your pain. Something about owning and holding a Henry rifle can and does change you. PLEASE, keep up the great work.
Personally just happy to see a bearded John.
I have to say, I seriously appreciate the insight on the negatives. I always wondered about the reliability on these guns and why they weren't used in war in the 1900s, but it does make sense.
That said, I would love to see you review a lever action that you did feel was reliable and durable enough to be used in rough conditions.
As I’m wearing my Salomon’s, I feel judged.
Be comfortable in your metrosexualness!
Just great John Lovell starring in Broke Back Mountain. 😂
When Im on my horse riding with the rifle, I say "get off my lawn." Pisses off the neighbors, but. LOL.
Now we need to get John using a single action revolver. I recommend the Schofield.
Not without a 1913 rail on it-- John won't touch a SA gun
@@timmattle4730 Awesome movie! One of my favorites! Charlie Prince was ruthless and loyal to the end.
Have the model x in 45 colt, butter smooth, love it. Also your dogs not near stupid, I had one that always tried to eat my ejected brass. We had to fight over it a couple times, so either he was stupid or he was reloading too.
I like to call it a European AR because it’s one of the few firearms allowed to be owned by them metric poets
@CatusBrutus whatever tickles your pickle sweetheart
@CatusBrutus he speaks facts homie. I own real estate in Europe and ownership of an AR is nearly impossible. Don’t argue with me cause unlike you I actually know.
I have a SIG MCX .. and Metric rocks .. so do freedom fries and girls on bicycles.
I own two lever actions. Winchester 30-30 and a Henry 357/38sp. Both are two of my favorite firearms. Not the most practical, but OH so much fun to shoot.
For real though, we need a WPS shield hat band for those of us with cowboy hats! Or just a WPS shield concho!
Id buy either one. A whole set of to spec silver Conchos that I could outfit my saddles with.
@@jacobbeard8037 that’s one heck of an idea. I’d even take a WPS silk.
THIS IS A MUST
Y'all, blow this up!!! We need WPS CONCHOS!!!! Lets get their attention!!!!
I will say that i know a guy that built a speed loader for his .45LC lever action rifle. Only works if your gun has a side loader though. It's a length of PVC pipe sized to fit the bullets of your rifle with a cap on one end and the other end cut at a very steep angle. You drill a hole in the cap slightly smaller than your bullets but sized that a dowel rod will fit through. On the angled side cut a line into the pipe about a third of the way through and roll an O-ring onto the pipe until it fits into that slot. Fill the pipe with your bullets and the O-ring will hold them in. Place the angles portion of the pipe over your side loading gate, insert the dowel rod through the cap and push all the bullets into your magazine tube in less than a second.
A cowboy is anyone who identifies as a cowboy. lol. I'm glad to see you have fully transitioned. :)
You tried to load the side gate with the bolt open, which jinked the feed ramp lever out of whack.
You start dropping hogs with it and you'll never look back.
And then you'll start laying in Trapdoors and Mod 66 / 73s.....
PS - 45-70 in a proper platform is a 1000yd gun.
That’s a fairly honest review of a Henry or any modern lever gun. Especially in re to the eight different size screws. They’re necessary beasts and fair warning heard. Don’t strip your hardware!! 🐍
henry has been robbing ppl for yrs. I'm glad John did an honest review. not accurate,not reliable and not as well made as henry pretends. finally an honest review of an overpriced gun
Henry is better than most gun manufacturers in regard to quality and standing behind their products. I have as many Henry rifles as I do all other manufacturers probably. Everyone wants a product made 100% then complain it’s a rip off due to price only.
Henry's quality is not that great. psa has quality and they are responsibly priced. just like . this video is right. ppl get mad bc someone exposed Henry. they don't pay their employees anymore than other American gun manufacturers. I'd prefer a marlin ruger or mossberg above any overpriced clunky henry. it's sad they continue to charge a $1000 for a rifle worth about 300.
@@chizzelfingers ..YOUR opinion on Henry and their QC, etc as well as their competitively-priced rifles is in the LESS THAN 5% of owners…
@@m118lr competitively priced 😆🤣😂john got it right. clunky 36 different screw head sizes,which is stupid and way way over-priced. only ppl who never shoot buy a henry
I bought a marlin 336 about 6 years ago for $299.00 and have had a blast with it. Recently bought the henry 22lr lever and love that one too. I always wanted to find a marlin texan i love the square lever look
45-70 is VERY powerful. My dad had a stainless steel Savage lever action with a 16 inch barrel a number of years ago. I could only shoot a couple of shots and I was done. 44 Mag in a lever action would be pretty awesome.
Marlin 1894s have 44mag lever guns
I have a Henry X Model in .44 mag. It's definitely awesome. 44 mag is probably the best open country pistol/rifle combo for practicality and defense. I have a Super Blackhawk as a companion to the X Model and if I was out in the wilderness, they are exactly what I'd take.
My dad’s Henry Golden Boy (.45 LC) is absolutely one of my favorite guns. Fun to shoot and makes me feel like a true American 😂 🇺🇸
I have the Henry in 22wmr. I truly love this firearm. I've installed mine with the large loop lever. My Henry is a solid piece. I have fellow bear hunters who carry the 4570. They're just no fun to shoot. Especially in a light carbine. But the gun is ideal when busting threw the bush. Chasing hounds. If you want to hunt dangerous game I recommend 375HH. flatter trajectory, and hits the animal like a truck. Oh, I have to say being a retired bull rider, and ranch cowboy, I cringed when you laid your hat on the brim. Common wannabe mistake.
Lol...setting his hat on the brim jumped out to me as well. Funny video...loved it.
How r u supposed to lay it down?
@@alexmaurice4274 upside down on the crown.
Edit: to clarify, setting it flat, as a habit, will flatten the brim. If your hat is already truly flat, then no issue. Side note, a lamp shade is usually a good size for a hat if in need of a place to set it (assuming the light is NOT on).
@@davesafirellc ahhh
@@davesafirellc Now I know why lamp shades are cone shaped...
I have never tried a Henry 45-70 but absolutely love my Marlin 45-70. It's a great rifle to have when walking around were there are toothy critters or ones that run around with pitchforks on their heads.
Every one of these reviews is like 85% of what I wanted. He did a 1911, but not a cabot or nighthawk. A galil ace, but in 556. And now a lever action, but not in 357 or 44.
You ever shot a 45-70?
@@jhutch1470 maybe, i dont remember
Because 45-70 rocks! With the shorter barrels in .357 and .44 they are sooooo friggen loud as not to be fun to shoot.
357 or 44 both fantastic. Very reliable super soft recoil fantastic for plinking, awesome for small frame or beginning shooters, ok for hunting close range depending on your state's laws. However 30-30 is a better hunter but that's just an opinion. I got the 30-30 and the .44 love them both.
@@ShadySummerZ Oh, you would remember. I shot one as a handgun. I will never do that again.
The cowboy comment comment you’re looking for is “Get off my lawn!!” The years come fast John.
Best ad for Henry ever!
Beautiful. But get them Marlin! Also the 45-70 is really good on engine blocks. Even when it’s a Peterbilt.
“I wasn’t doing anything, the gun just malfunctioned” “oh by the way it’s 5+1 now”
John, love the video your sense of humor is spot on, we all grew up with cap pistols, and pretending our bicycles were our trusty horses. Now as adults we get to live that dream sort of. You have definitely rekindled my desire for a 45-70 , I already have 2 lever action 44 magnums and a 357 magnum, so really no need for a 45-70 . Lucky for us the 2nd ammendment is not about need!
Bought a 357 lever gun for self defense in case there was a tragic boating accident. Love shooting them! Awesome intro John or whatever your cowboy name was. Thanks for sharing!
Don't forget they make that without the stock as well, like a stubby one. Might also be good for the horse. Called the mare's leg. Prob not in 45-70 but worth noting. I prefer the 45-70 all weather myself.
Still want to get my dad a .44 magnum Henry to pair with his S&W model 29. I'd really like for it to be a side gate with octagonal barrel, but...
Traditional style. 1 long-arm, 1 sidearm, 1 box of cartridges for the both of them.
Do me a favor though and don't tell him, okay.
The original Henry 1862 (and most of the lever guns that followed) did not use a sissy pad to soften recoil. Granted, the original .44 cartridge was pretty weak, but it wasn't too many years before Marlin was chambering a lever gun in the 45-60 caliber. I prefer the 92 Winchester in the 44 magnum because it is lighter and still a fairly heavy hitter.
Since the Pro’s and Con’s of this Henry 45-70, what about the Henry 30-30? The only knock I’ve heard is it isn’t a good brush rifle. It would be fun for you to rate it.
-30.30 is a awesome brush gun. That round has killed more deer then most and most deer are in brush
You're like a country song in reverse. Got a lever action, beard grew back, got some boots, got a hat, got a horse...
Marlin VS. Henry... I'd like to see people talk about it.
I have both love them. Main disadvantage Henry has had until lately is the lack of a side loader.
I own a marlin in 4570 but my next will be a henry in 357
@@jaygeeee4754 I don't actually hunt, but I would love to have a lever action so a 357 I think would be a better option for me
My 1886 Browning lever action saddle ring carbine is and always has been my “go to” rifle for years. It is absolutely the straightest shooting iron sighted rifle I ever owned. The 45/70 can kill game as well as defend your life if necessary. The flip up ladder sights are great.
John's always ahead of me Collecting guns. if it wasn't for these videos I wouldn't be reminded of them.. well done my friend well done..
#Cowboyup
I killed my first big buck 8point, marlin 30-30.The sound of that lever will never get old.I bought a very old Winchester 94 brass colored receiver while back that’s 60 years old still would work every time if needed,true American metal when u think of guns in general
Complex? neh-neh. It's like three parts. The lever action is very reliable and easy to work. Well, at least for the Marlins.
Henry's are overpriced crap for ppl who don't shoot who want to shoot.
Lever guns are pretty interesting designs. I bought a 30-30 a few years back, having no lever gun experience (but lots of experience with bolt guns, ARs, AKs, and all sorts of pistols). I tried opening the action and “shaking” out the unfired cartridge from the ejection port, like you can on a pump shotgun. I jammed that rifle so bad it’s not even funny. It took us nearly an hour to fix it, and it blew my mind. You pick up a weapon developed nearly 150 years ago and you assume that means it’s simple, but it’s actually extremely, deceptively complex.
These lever actions are looking more and more appealing to me. As I age I find myself waning from tacticool guns. I am considering getting a breakdown Lever action soon. I think I am becoming a boomer.
Do love the 45-70 as a "brush gun" - excellant while walking around thick woods looking for large animals
Fun to shoot. Absolutely a thumper. A lot of elk guides carry them as a bear gun.
This made me smile the whole time! Haha... I'm glad you do these videos. Makes life good. Well done video! Good edits and audio, really good job!
you should throw the first minute in a youtube short 😅
Boots, check, cowboy hat, check, plaid shirts check, tactical glasses with ear buds.... Check😂
Love the horse peaking around the corner trying to figure out wth John is doing around 14:36-14:38! Lol.
That was the first thing I was taught about lever-actions, don't baby it...full, solid motion of the lever, open and close. Kind of like pump shotguns. I git the brass one with octagon barrel, but haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Fell in love with .45/70 when I loaned one at a range, but I think it was a Remington. Much lighter than mine. Got kick.
I had a Henry chambered in .223/5.56 that was a tack driver. Unfortunately, being an AR type of guy and the rifle having a rotating bolt I was continually wanting to break it down for cleaning, customizing etc. No can do so I became a little bored with it and sold it. It's a great gun though and the craftsmanship and quality make it worth more than what it costs.
Thanks
Everything Henry is top notch. I have 2 and both are just amazing the workmanship they put into their carbines. Gotta have a lever action in the collection!
Id go build fence with John west. Farming is a great life. I think its awsome you are getting into agriculture. I wouldn't trade it for anything else.
My first hunting rifle was a Winchester 1894 in 30-30. I prefer my lever guns with iron sights so top eject doesn't matter to me. I can't think of a more comfortable rifle for a woods walk.
You absolutely nailed it in the opening of the video. A Henry Lever Action will make you a cowboy. Now you need a SAA Revolver and you'll be complete.
Hey John, quick tip on the hat: when you set it down, place it crown down. That'll help keep the brim from flattening out on ya. And will help make you look like a real cowboy.
Iv had it for about 8 months now good hunting rifle hiking gun backpacking rifle but Iv definitely had my range days
My old hunt'in buddy said he was bare hunt'in in lask'a with his 45-70 ,came up on a bear was 10' tall on his hin lags,(his words, not mine) said he got so scared he missed every shot. Out of ammo faced with a growl that would turn superman's insides to jelly, he said he just crawled up inside the barrel and waited until the bear was gone.
Said he had room to stretch out and take a nap.
That's a true made-up story right there...
I have 2 henry rifles. a steel 30-30 and brass big boy 44. Both have worked flawless for years. And have fed my family deer meat every deer season. Henry's are awesome.