@@knuman , yeah, most unbelievable part. Been to a couple of games and know some who've been to concerts, and the area's always packed. Takes about half an hour to find a spot. Which is why we part outside, and are forced to walk the rest of the way.
Maybe his ability isn’t exactly teleportation, but rather having the ability to escape from any trap that he’s faced with. Throughout the movie, at least for me, I was always on the edge of my seat trying to figure out what he would do next to escape. The concert, the tunnel in the closet, and escaping the limo I thought were really cool. And even at the end of the movie he escapees again, which gives us, the audience, the impression that this guy will always escape. He’ll always find a way to escape anything presented to him, I found myself rooting for him almost the whole movie as well lol. Overall I really enjoyed this movie, I personally love suspense ‘on the edge of your seat’ movies even if they’re a little dumb at times. Josh’s character still doesn’t make sense to me and neither does the plot or what actually happened, but that’s what I love about it. I love movies that have me thinking and reading 100s of theories after I see them haha.
Josh Hartnett is the best part about this movie. He is charismatic, and has such a sweet relationship with his daughter, and you find yourself rooting for him, despite him being the clear baddie. It reminds me of "You", and Penn Badgley.
I think it’s interesting that people are saying that because I was NOT rooting for this man at all. I found all his “sweet” moments super forced, which is good because he’s playing a psychopath! I wanted him to get caught so bad
How exactly did the film portray this guy as charismatic and a “sweet relationship” with his daughter, by purchasing floor tickets….my man was literally not present during the concert and was acting weird/strange around her. Encouraging her to miss concert and instead explore the underground. Charismatic? My man got no social skills as evident by Shyamalan’s style. Literally like saying the people in “Smile” movie are charismatic…
@@Brian-ot7ynI mean, he wasn’t present because he learned that he needed to escape, which includes her coming too. They did make it a point that he loved her.
The vibe of the dialogue being off in this M Night movie makes a ton of sense because Hartnett’s character is tiptoeing the line between being an awkward dad and sociopathic serial killer. Of course he sounds goofy, says and does weird/nonsensical things. Have you ever met a dad of a teenage daughter?! 90% of them say the most batsh!t crazy things to try to sound cool in front of their daughter.
@@kevinfatine744 Indeed. It would make sense if it were just him, but when everyone talks in that awkward fashion, it's hard to know if it's suppose to be odd. Seen directors like Lynch or Lanthimos do the same with their actors, but they find a better way to make it feel like it makes sense in some fashion because of their odd tales.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s based on Shamylan’s own experience in that way. Although in my head I picture him coming up with the idea of the movie by going to a concert with his daughters and wondering “what if I had a guy tied up in my basement right now” which I can’t tell if that’s funny or objectively insane
That really dosent change the fact that every single line of dialogue sounded like chat gpt. And that almost every character would say somthing then do the exact opposite for no character driven reason….
The part where he realizes his family used the tree next to the house to escape from upstairs. Probably one of the best moments of the film for me. He never crossed his two lives with one other so he never viewed his home like a psychopath killer would. Such an interesting detail that shouldn’t go unnoticed.
He has already compromised himself by letting Lady Raven take charge of the situation. Coopers character is mentally challenged at best for letting any of the events unfold. We had no character set up, no back story but an implication of a back story hinted at by the short exchange in his garage. What is crazy is that the FBI has no real evidence on him and without any evidence, how do they know for a fact that it's him?. Poorly executed scene after poorly executed scene. The character tells extremely dumb lies to his daughter and only later does he come up with decent excuses which by this time, his daughter knows he is acting weird. Poor dialogue, poor plot, poor side characters who are almost meme like in their nature. Hell, we got more backstory about how his daughter had a falling out with some of her school friends which generates more brief npc dialogue but creates doesn't develop characters or story. The way his daughter turns into a npc so he can slink away to push a girl down some stairs... And lets not forget, The FBI creating a fake concert to potentially trap one serial killer, by employing hundreds of officers, only to leave him unsupervised in the back of the truck. Not a single aspect of this movies make sense until you realize Saleka is M nights daughter
@eltavish the daughter would never suspect her father, and I think it's more a boomer/gen x trait to gaslight their children enough not to really question them, BUT his daughter turning into a npc after she finds out is ridiculous as she seems so attached to her father.
The way Twitter has spent all week slating your letterboxd review and saying the dialogue is an artistic choice just for you to say that exact same thing in your actual positive review is quite funny
His "review" didn't really imply that. I think it's more of the problem of the joke letterbox reviews that get the most likes, and not actually any criticism. Especially considering he didn't even give the movie a rating.
@@morganguyer3053 absolutely it’s a problem with letterboxd but the way people so passionately complained about the analysis of a what is clearly a joke review is another problem itself.
To be honest I get pretty annoyed with his Letterboxd reviews. Pretty much all of them are just some awful one liners. And you always see them on popular movies cos they get upvoted loads
im just glad we get directors that are still allowed to make original films and go a bit crazy with it and doesnt need to win awards to justify its existence. Not all Shamalyan movies land but the guy has guts for his approach to filmmaking.
And his people like you who are completely delusional to think that this guy still makes good movies. Apparently you have a lasted long enough in the real world to understand that this guy doesn't know how to write a script. Nothing in this movie made absolutely sense especially the fact that you had a popstar go to a private person's house without any security or backup whatsoever. That alarm makes this movie completely stupid irrational and dumb. Just like the clowns who try to defend this idiot director.
I would be lying if I didn’t say that Trap was the most fun I had in the theater this year. Me and the girl a few seats away were cackling at this movie. Will probably see it again tbh.
Dialogue was off because he was trapped at that time. His personalities were clashing. His two lives were coming face to face. He was a slick serial killer and a great dad. We could see he was stressed out, but wanted to be cool in front of his daughter. He wanted to shout and move more and be more panicked, but he just couldn't be. He was in a pressure situation. Movie was really great.
Wow, best take i've seen on the movie being part of the unbreakable universe. And it actually might be his power at this point, being a master escapist, and a chameleon. Which would solve the critics that say it's unrealistic for him to have so much luck, access restricted areas, and nearly teleport... He IS the "plothole guy"
The Trap is set for the viewer, you become weirdly attached to this serial killer, hoping at every stage that he escapes. Cooper laughing at the end is laughing at you the viewer because he knows he’s got you on his side
Sure, right before he turns again into a supernatural being that can just escape from an armored convoy. This movie is for the intellectually handicapped.
This movie belongs in my favorite subgenre of thriller where it's just the main character is in one location the whole movie where the entire plot is them just trying to leave
@zakubara4618 best example I can think of right now is redeye staring Rachel madams and cilian murphy. Doesn't exactly follow what I say in the comment but it's VERY similar to trap
Shyamalan wants to have a distinctive voice and dialogue style so badly that he ends up writing people who speak in a way that has no basis in reality. It's amazing.
I’m so glad you were honest and transparent about it! You could feel what type of film he wanted to do! Not EVERY film is out to get an Oscar or BLOW everyone’s mind. I really wanted to see this film because I was able to tell the film isn’t taking itself super serious from the trailers. Glad you felt the same! ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
I agree with most of what you’re saying it’s a blast when it’s at the concert and when the clunky dialogue happens I was willing to let it slide because I was fascinated with Cooper just pivoting from escape to escape it was fun. However, for me the 3rd act just sucked. It becomes so stupid and too wacky for me. The IG Live thing, when lady raven talked like Cooper’s mom, his hilarious amount of escapes, his shirtless monologue lol. Still feel positive about the movie as a whole but that last 30-40 minutes were interesting.
Everyone on twitter dunking on your Letterboxd review only for you to give it a 4/5 on here and go in depth on it😭this is why I’ll never screenshot and get mad at Letterboxd reviews
As penguinz0 said "the facial expressions of josh hartnetts are crazy, there is no way not a single person thought, okay there is something off about that guy" but he also said that its a great movie and i think that too i loved it
His expressions are absolutely normal, you(and the youtuber you mentioned) only think they are weird because you are told by the plot that he's a maniac. But not surprising, penguinz0 has a lot of bad takes
Josh Harnett carries this movie so much with his acting, he's really good in it, and i think if the movie was only during the concert it would probably have ended better, still it's an okay movie
Might have been said before me but "Old" is actually an adaptation of a 2011 French graphic novel. So not OC by Shyamalan but he does have a knack for picking interesting ideas. I kinda feel like he is to movies what Stephen King is to books (in a way).
I really enjoyed this movie! When I left the theater there was so many people saying “this is the worst movie I’ve ever seen” and I was so confused? It’s not bad, it was fun!
Actually quite like the camera angle, it's unsettling. The 2 shots of half of Josh Hartnett's face totally works for me too. Overall quite funny, it's like what I hope Madame Web is. A shlock that's a bad movie for the actual genre but funny enough to make up for it.
I feel like the entire movie's aim was to build up tension and anxiety, using smart camera shots amd cold cuts, great acting, great unsettling score and just the anxiety of following what this monster will do to get out of this situation. I think it was very good, yes it's not perfect but i enjoyed it more than i expected.
I've seen people complain a lot about this film, but I loved it. It does have some plot holes/illogical turns, but it's so brilliantly casted and well written otherwise, that it didn't bother me too much. Like you mention, it also seems to have been done on purpose, to create comedy/a way into another great scene. I also really appreciate that tween girls are not written in a derogatory way in this film (as so often in society in general) - they are explored as real people, resourceful and funny. That they created a teen pop star and a concept for a concert that emulated fandom/concerts/real pop stars, was very true to life, imo.
LOVED this - SO MUCH fun - felt like M Night Shyamalan channeling a batshit campy 90s Thriller in THE MOST entertaining & stupid & fun ways~ My best description I can think of to capture this thing would be calling it a combo of Brian De Palma's "Snake Eyes" and John Waters' "Serial Mom" - precision filmmaking in a claustrophobic thriller in a large public location (i.e. Sports arena), before descending into a twist-after-twist-after-twist cat-and-mouse Psychological Thriller in the 3rd act Karsten put it perfectly in here - if you think about the film's logic for even 30 SECONDS, it falls apart - but I was simply too busy having FUN with this thing to care~
When Josh Hartnett graces me with his presence, I’m watching. He delivered, as always. 😏 Any issue people have with this movie lies solely on MNS’s ridiculous display of his daughter’s music career.
Loved the movie. It’s weird and outrageous but it’s so fun and new, kept me entertained and just waiting for what cooper was gonna do next. Great movie very original and refreshing.
How are his motives barely explored? His mother abused him. He sees himself as a monster. And monsters are supposed to be killed by a hero. He is the monster. He is the hero. What else do you need? Why do you need it? Do you ask a person that loves you: "why do you love me?"?
I miss the Karstcast Moviecast sooooo much. It would be great to have at least one episode every two months or so. It had a really good run and I'm still holding out hope it can come back : )
Plot holes matter especially when the movie doesn't give you anything else to occupy your mind. Shyamalan might be a good premise guy but in recent years his execution has been severely lacking.
I never comment on UA-cam. But I want you to know that I'm so happy you said all that, that's exactly how I felt. I don't understand the bad reception this movie got. It was so much fun and sincere and funny and thrilling. Great, great movie.
Nothing half good about Last Jedi or Indy 5. Absolutely baffling how the few people who actually saw them, at THIS point and considering the "popularity" of Disney, can think they're anything more than dumpster juice.
@@reservoirdude92 there are a lot of really great scenes in both movies imo, plus some good story elements, but there are also terribles one too, so kinda like this movie
I just watched this movie today and I love it. I don't know why so many people were giving bad reviews. And contrary to popular opinion, I actually enjoyed the second half of the film more than the first half. The concert kinda made me cringe. The music was great though. Yes, Josh had to carry this film and he did an amazing job, but him having to carry the film doesn't make it a bad film. He actually made this film good. His ability to act as a convincing psychopath was bone chilling. His calm and cool attitude, and that smile... He should get an award for his role in this film. He did say he studied the Hare Psychopathy Checklist and damn it shows. As for "The music wasn't great", i would've thought so too if I only heard the music in the film, but I listened to the actual album and for an artist that I've never heard of, she is incredibly talented as a composer/songwriter/and vocalist. There are some really interesting instrumental pieces in songs like "Save Me" with the trombones or trumpets. The arrangements were good.
"A million plot holes... but M Night Shyamalan realizes this." Pretty sure, he's always realizes this with most of his filmography. He just simply does care enough to fix them.
The first half's cooper's interaction with jody's mom reminded me of American Psycho 😂😂... I loved the second half just more... Josh Harnett killed it in this one
Yeah dude, I don't think there's one opinion that you have that I've agreed with so far. But, unfortunately, you're the only youtuber who's sincere and interesting that still talks about recent movies, so I appreciate that
I'm gonna plug "Aiden & Antonio" who I've found to have interesting discussions on new movies. They might not be your thing, but if you can spare a couple minutes to check out one of their reviews it might pay off. Also they're new and criminally under watched compared to a lot of the insincere guys you alluded to, so I feel like I'm doing a good deed to mention them where someone might be interested.
I have two main issues with this movie. the first is that we never see him kill or really see his victims, crimes, and actions. I just don’t believe this guy is a killer it doesn’t feel earned when he gets caught because it doesn’t feel like a win. if anything I honestly feel sad that he won’t get to see his daughter again. my second issue is the amount of people crowding every area of this arena at all times during an active concert. have these people ever been to a concert? do they understand once the show starts most people are PLANTED? why are the halls constantly crowded and everyone seemingly taking crowd intermissions? how can all the seats be full when half the crowd is roaming the halls? the last time I left my seat during a concert in an arena like that I got from the very last row down to the empty women’s bathroom and got my ass all the way back up before the song even ended those halls were a WASTELAND
I think everything Shyamalan is doing here is completely intentional and it works brilliantly. Hartnett absolutely makes this movie, his performance is so intrinsic with the film. Everything about the film has this awkward, uncomfortable energy, it puts us right in the headspace of the killer so that even though he's a little underdeveloped, we still feel close and the story becomes far more personal. It almost makes you root for the killer even though realistic we should want him to get caught. We need more of this Shyamalan, he's at his best when he takes a simple premise and injects his signature style into it and not solely trying to just one up the audience at every turn.
0:45 I definitely agree that M Night is very creative, but I thought it is important to mention that old is an adaptation of the graphic novel Sandcastles.
The critique of Josh Hartnett’s delivery being intentionally cringeworthy and off putting because his character is a monster who is trying so damn hard to be a man is interesting and definitely introduces a different way of looking at his performance…but that doesn’t excuse everyone else’s performances from being completely lackluster.
I’d wanted to watch this movie but didn’t care enough to see it but watched your video and now just watched the movie and was about to get high then remembered what you said and thought hey wow this is perfect (I’m still high now sorry)
This movie was about how superstars are complex and we love only the fronts the present. The killer as well as the performers all put on a calculated and controlled show.
Something that I think would have worked better, is instead of a concert….it was a sporting event. It adds the clock into the equation. He only has so much time to find a way out. The clock counting down and I think the whole movie should have been in the stadium. But I liked the movie.
I struggle to say that the movie is "filled" with plotholes. I feel like I can't think of a genuine part of the plot that is left dangling. Rather there's lots of options, like yes nothing ever comes of Raven's asthma, but like that's just one of many options of things he could use to attack her but it doesn't land on his path that's how I think it's resolved
I kinda saw it coming that the father, Cooper, was the serial killer when he talked to the employee that the concert was a trap set up for him. But I think the movie is still fun and enjoyable to watch. At first I thought, "okay, this guy is the killer, and plot twist being is that everyone else knows already". He seems like a weirdo and look like one of those bad guys who would end up caught, but turned out to be a great escapist. I love this movie.
I'm not a big movie buff but this was weirdly good; the escapes he makes seem inspired by "Silence of the lambs", where Hannibal Lecter just seems to always get away and get high on the thrill. But YES... there are a lot of plot holes - the biggest one might be when he decides to threaten Lady R. to get into her limo instead of asking nicely.
great review man. it was definitely weird from the dialogue to the camera angles. I think it all truly helped shaped this movie. Do I think it's a 10/10 movie? no but I think it's a helluva smart idea turned movie - even to the point of him trying to help his daughter rather that be her music or acting career. I would definitely watch again... properly not today or tomorrow but definitely in the future. My honest opinion would be around 7/10. What I liked the most was the awkward camera angles/ main guy trying to be sneaky obviously when you could tell he was up to something. What I didn't like- was it didn't feel put together like everything went well but it just seemed like it was missing something.
If you watch Twin Peaks, you'll notice that it is a goofy, funny, scary horror thriller. That's what this movie is too. And both have a main character named Cooper. Not a coincidence.
Yes. 1:50 I totally understand that reference. 2:01 It was surprisingly well done, I thought it was over at the halfway point 😮 Had me going *dafuq is happening?!*
"Hey honey, let's go through that trapdoor in the stage to see what's down there, wouldn't that be fun?" Josh Hartnett, master escapist, and genius serial killer.
I think this is in the Unbreakable universe. Another big clue was the color scheme..... Unbreakable blue, Split, Yellow, Glass Purple,.....Trap Red. Almost every scene had a red tint to it. After I saw it again I started to notice a lot of hidden elements of the Unbreakable universe.
favorite trap?
Letterboxd
Probably rodeo by Travis scott
jigsaw ass question
Trap In deez nuts
@@Dyerhea Mine is Without Warning by Metro Boomin, 21 Savage, and Offset
The most unrealistic thing about the movie is the fact that there was parking available right outside the venue.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Especially in Toronto.
WHY HASN'T A SINGLE CRITIC I'VE SEEN TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE MOVIE'S CONCERT TAKES PLACE AT LIKE 11AM?
They say in the movie that the first show sold out so they scheduled a second show thats why its during the day
@@flynn4683 oh I remember now haha
That’s the only thing I kept tellling my friend “how is it still daylight?”
I was more stunned that Cooper and his daughter were "running late" and still found a perfect car spot right outside the venue lol
@@knuman , yeah, most unbelievable part. Been to a couple of games and know some who've been to concerts, and the area's always packed. Takes about half an hour to find a spot. Which is why we part outside, and are forced to walk the rest of the way.
josh hartnetts teleportation abilities in this film made me so confused.
:Josh acting was wery good despiste the script . saleka shayamalan so bad acting
Maybe his ability isn’t exactly teleportation, but rather having the ability to escape from any trap that he’s faced with. Throughout the movie, at least for me, I was always on the edge of my seat trying to figure out what he would do next to escape. The concert, the tunnel in the closet, and escaping the limo I thought were really cool. And even at the end of the movie he escapees again, which gives us, the audience, the impression that this guy will always escape. He’ll always find a way to escape anything presented to him, I found myself rooting for him almost the whole movie as well lol.
Overall I really enjoyed this movie, I personally love suspense ‘on the edge of your seat’ movies even if they’re a little dumb at times. Josh’s character still doesn’t make sense to me and neither does the plot or what actually happened, but that’s what I love about it. I love movies that have me thinking and reading 100s of theories after I see them haha.
@@BCFilmss i agreed I enjoyed the movie and josh acting was amazing
@@Jessa-yk7se For real! He nails that double life: psychotic serial killer and goofy dad of a teenage daughter
@@BCFilmss perfectly
Josh Hartnett is the best part about this movie. He is charismatic, and has such a sweet relationship with his daughter, and you find yourself rooting for him, despite him being the clear baddie. It reminds me of "You", and Penn Badgley.
I think it’s interesting that people are saying that because I was NOT rooting for this man at all. I found all his “sweet” moments super forced, which is good because he’s playing a psychopath! I wanted him to get caught so bad
How exactly did the film portray this guy as charismatic and a “sweet relationship” with his daughter, by purchasing floor tickets….my man was literally not present during the concert and was acting weird/strange around her. Encouraging her to miss concert and instead explore the underground. Charismatic? My man got no social skills as evident by Shyamalan’s style. Literally like saying the people in “Smile” movie are charismatic…
or dexter.
I wonder why he was acting weird and not present much 🤔🤔@@Brian-ot7yn
@@Brian-ot7ynI mean, he wasn’t present because he learned that he needed to escape, which includes her coming too. They did make it a point that he loved her.
The vibe of the dialogue being off in this M Night movie makes a ton of sense because Hartnett’s character is tiptoeing the line between being an awkward dad and sociopathic serial killer. Of course he sounds goofy, says and does weird/nonsensical things. Have you ever met a dad of a teenage daughter?! 90% of them say the most batsh!t crazy things to try to sound cool in front of their daughter.
The thing is... Hartnett isn't the only one with the terrible dialogue
@@kevinfatine744 Indeed. It would make sense if it were just him, but when everyone talks in that awkward fashion, it's hard to know if it's suppose to be odd. Seen directors like Lynch or Lanthimos do the same with their actors, but they find a better way to make it feel like it makes sense in some fashion because of their odd tales.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s based on Shamylan’s own experience in that way. Although in my head I picture him coming up with the idea of the movie by going to a concert with his daughters and wondering “what if I had a guy tied up in my basement right now” which I can’t tell if that’s funny or objectively insane
That really dosent change the fact that every single line of dialogue sounded like chat gpt. And that almost every character would say somthing then do the exact opposite for no character driven reason….
The entire movie feels off, not just one guys dialogue
“The movie itself is high but is trying to be a normal movie.”
This sums up a LOT of Night’s work. Always watchable but often bonkers.
The part where he realizes his family used the tree next to the house to escape from upstairs. Probably one of the best moments of the film for me. He never crossed his two lives with one other so he never viewed his home like a psychopath killer would. Such an interesting detail that shouldn’t go unnoticed.
What do you mean it shouldn’t go unnoticed, Shyamalam literally spells it out by having the main character say it
I liked the film, but if thats the case as he said it, why does he have a secret tunnel out of his family home
@@Alicetheamethyst good point. Maybe that’s the “twist” lmao
He has already compromised himself by letting Lady Raven take charge of the situation. Coopers character is mentally challenged at best for letting any of the events unfold. We had no character set up, no back story but an implication of a back story hinted at by the short exchange in his garage. What is crazy is that the FBI has no real evidence on him and without any evidence, how do they know for a fact that it's him?. Poorly executed scene after poorly executed scene. The character tells extremely dumb lies to his daughter and only later does he come up with decent excuses which by this time, his daughter knows he is acting weird. Poor dialogue, poor plot, poor side characters who are almost meme like in their nature. Hell, we got more backstory about how his daughter had a falling out with some of her school friends which generates more brief npc dialogue but creates doesn't develop characters or story. The way his daughter turns into a npc so he can slink away to push a girl down some stairs... And lets not forget, The FBI creating a fake concert to potentially trap one serial killer, by employing hundreds of officers, only to leave him unsupervised in the back of the truck. Not a single aspect of this movies make sense until you realize Saleka is M nights daughter
@eltavish the daughter would never suspect her father, and I think it's more a boomer/gen x trait to gaslight their children enough not to really question them, BUT his daughter turning into a npc after she finds out is ridiculous as she seems so attached to her father.
The way Twitter has spent all week slating your letterboxd review and saying the dialogue is an artistic choice just for you to say that exact same thing in your actual positive review is quite funny
His "review" didn't really imply that. I think it's more of the problem of the joke letterbox reviews that get the most likes, and not actually any criticism. Especially considering he didn't even give the movie a rating.
@@morganguyer3053 absolutely it’s a problem with letterboxd but the way people so passionately complained about the analysis of a what is clearly a joke review is another problem itself.
@@zachmcelroy3459 For sure. People take things like that a bit too seriously.
To be honest I get pretty annoyed with his Letterboxd reviews. Pretty much all of them are just some awful one liners. And you always see them on popular movies cos they get upvoted loads
@@goob8945 I'm damn tired of awful one liners
They're hardly ever funny
im just glad we get directors that are still allowed to make original films and go a bit crazy with it and doesnt need to win awards to justify its existence. Not all Shamalyan movies land but the guy has guts for his approach to filmmaking.
I wish everyone was that easy on Zack Snyder.
good story it need to be remade by others and see how does it better.
I agree 100% with everything you said. I only wish his movies were better. 😅
It's a advertisment to promote his daughter's music career. Plus Snake Eyes did it first.
And his people like you who are completely delusional to think that this guy still makes good movies. Apparently you have a lasted long enough in the real world to understand that this guy doesn't know how to write a script. Nothing in this movie made absolutely sense especially the fact that you had a popstar go to a private person's house without any security or backup whatsoever. That alarm makes this movie completely stupid irrational and dumb. Just like the clowns who try to defend this idiot director.
I would be lying if I didn’t say that Trap was the most fun I had in the theater this year. Me and the girl a few seats away were cackling at this movie. Will probably see it again tbh.
Dude for real. I loved how goofy this movie was. It was so fun
same lol just because of the sheer stupidity lol
Same I was laughing at the fact that he has infinite plot armor and can do whatever he wants
Yikes.
I watched it FOUR times hehehe
Dialogue was off because he was trapped at that time. His personalities were clashing. His two lives were coming face to face. He was a slick serial killer and a great dad. We could see he was stressed out, but wanted to be cool in front of his daughter. He wanted to shout and move more and be more panicked, but he just couldn't be. He was in a pressure situation. Movie was really great.
yes exactly
No…. No fucking way, I swear we have reached a new low for movies.
@@diegeticfridge9167 They are the new Snyder fans, just let them enjoy their trash
@@diegeticfridge9167 fr omg like even the random british lady and the singers stupid unrealistic actions lol all around dumb
Bruh, what is your movie diet?
Nobody is talking about how funny this movie is. It was hilarious to me. Funny and thrilling. I loved it
I laughed so much, too. The teenage daughter in particular was quite funny. Night movies have often been strangely comedic.
I have a feeling this movie is part of the Unbreakable universe. Cooper has a weird super power where he's somehow a master escapist but idk it's cool
Wow, best take i've seen on the movie being part of the unbreakable universe. And it actually might be his power at this point, being a master escapist, and a chameleon.
Which would solve the critics that say it's unrealistic for him to have so much luck, access restricted areas, and nearly teleport...
He IS the "plothole guy"
I REALLY want this to be true.
"The film was so bad, maybe the bad parts were actually a secret link to something else"
Suuuuuuuuuuure 😂
How DC’s Mister Miracle abilities should be in live action.
@@KayD just cause you understand nothing, doesn't mean there's nothing to understand
This movie had me belly-laughing a handful of times. Peak camp!
The Trap is set for the viewer, you become weirdly attached to this serial killer, hoping at every stage that he escapes. Cooper laughing at the end is laughing at you the viewer because he knows he’s got you on his side
Sure, right before he turns again into a supernatural being that can just escape from an armored convoy. This movie is for the intellectually handicapped.
I agree bro
@@neithanm😂😂
Plot armor😂@@neithanm
This movie feels like it was written by a third grader
This movie belongs in my favorite subgenre of thriller where it's just the main character is in one location the whole movie where the entire plot is them just trying to leave
I don't get how he left the seats so many times and there were always so many people around during the concert
Whats the other movies? I need to watch em
@zakubara4618 best example I can think of right now is redeye staring Rachel madams and cilian murphy. Doesn't exactly follow what I say in the comment but it's VERY similar to trap
Shyamalan wants to have a distinctive voice and dialogue style so badly that he ends up writing people who speak in a way that has no basis in reality. It's amazing.
Whatever anyone says, Shyamalan is one of the few directors nowadays who has the balls to make new stuff instead of stale franchise films
@@prakharkirtijajoria5314 *cough* Last *cough Airbender
@@prakharkirtijajoria5314 boy have I got a movie for you ☠️
@@prakharkirtijajoria5314ahh yes the balls to make shit movies 😂
@@prakharkirtijajoria5314Indian mindlessly supporting Shamaylan. Hmm definitely no bias here…
I’m so glad you were honest and transparent about it! You could feel what type of film he wanted to do! Not EVERY film is out to get an Oscar or BLOW everyone’s mind.
I really wanted to see this film because I was able to tell the film isn’t taking itself super serious from the trailers. Glad you felt the same! ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
I agree with most of what you’re saying it’s a blast when it’s at the concert and when the clunky dialogue happens I was willing to let it slide because I was fascinated with Cooper just pivoting from escape to escape it was fun. However, for me the 3rd act just sucked. It becomes so stupid and too wacky for me. The IG Live thing, when lady raven talked like Cooper’s mom, his hilarious amount of escapes, his shirtless monologue lol. Still feel positive about the movie as a whole but that last 30-40 minutes were interesting.
Him comparing the movie experience to being high was exactly how I felt...
Everyone on twitter dunking on your Letterboxd review only for you to give it a 4/5 on here and go in depth on it😭this is why I’ll never screenshot and get mad at Letterboxd reviews
It really did give off the impression that he hated it
Also lets not pretend that bashing did not influence his review
I’m just in awe that people actually care enough about other people’s Letterboxd reviews to get upset over them 😭
I’d say this movie is “campy”
As penguinz0 said "the facial expressions of josh hartnetts are crazy, there is no way not a single person thought, okay there is something off about that guy" but he also said that its a great movie and i think that too i loved it
His expressions are absolutely normal, you(and the youtuber you mentioned) only think they are weird because you are told by the plot that he's a maniac. But not surprising, penguinz0 has a lot of bad takes
I argue it's believable because his dad stuck with his daughter Justin Bieber-esk show, anybody go insane like that
Josh Harnett carries this movie so much with his acting, he's really good in it, and i think if the movie was only during the concert it would probably have ended better, still it's an okay movie
You trapped me in your boiler. Help.
Karsten Runquist Boiler Room set 🎧 (special guest appearance by Steve DCM)
Josh Harnett would make a better Doom than RDJ
Might have been said before me but "Old" is actually an adaptation of a 2011 French graphic novel. So not OC by Shyamalan but he does have a knack for picking interesting ideas. I kinda feel like he is to movies what Stephen King is to books (in a way).
I really enjoyed this movie! When I left the theater there was so many people saying “this is the worst movie I’ve ever seen” and I was so confused? It’s not bad, it was fun!
Now I'm sold.😂 I want a Shyamalan film that knows it can/will be silly and awkward. If you're gonna be high, then embraced the goof!
Saleka’s music was incredible and she has so much talent. The lyrics were written to complement Cooper’s life experience and events.
Actually quite like the camera angle, it's unsettling. The 2 shots of half of Josh Hartnett's face totally works for me too. Overall quite funny, it's like what I hope Madame Web is. A shlock that's a bad movie for the actual genre but funny enough to make up for it.
Trap was strange, but it was nice to see Josh Hartnett on screen again.
I feel like the entire movie's aim was to build up tension and anxiety, using smart camera shots amd cold cuts, great acting, great unsettling score and just the anxiety of following what this monster will do to get out of this situation.
I think it was very good, yes it's not perfect but i enjoyed it more than i expected.
I've seen people complain a lot about this film, but I loved it. It does have some plot holes/illogical turns, but it's so brilliantly casted and well written otherwise, that it didn't bother me too much. Like you mention, it also seems to have been done on purpose, to create comedy/a way into another great scene. I also really appreciate that tween girls are not written in a derogatory way in this film (as so often in society in general) - they are explored as real people, resourceful and funny. That they created a teen pop star and a concept for a concert that emulated fandom/concerts/real pop stars, was very true to life, imo.
LOVED this - SO MUCH fun - felt like M Night Shyamalan channeling a batshit campy 90s Thriller in THE MOST entertaining & stupid & fun ways~
My best description I can think of to capture this thing would be calling it a combo of Brian De Palma's "Snake Eyes" and John Waters' "Serial Mom" - precision filmmaking in a claustrophobic thriller in a large public location (i.e. Sports arena), before descending into a twist-after-twist-after-twist cat-and-mouse Psychological Thriller in the 3rd act
Karsten put it perfectly in here - if you think about the film's logic for even 30 SECONDS, it falls apart - but I was simply too busy having FUN with this thing to care~
When Josh Hartnett graces me with his presence, I’m watching. He delivered, as always. 😏
Any issue people have with this movie lies solely on MNS’s ridiculous display of his daughter’s music career.
This was my exact response to this movie. Went in no expectations shut my brain off. Hell of a fun little ride.
Thank god I’m not the only one that likes this movie
Old is loosely based on the graphic novel Sandcastle by Frederik Peeters and Pierre Oscar Lévy, so no he didn’t come up with the beach concept.
Is it me or is PG-13 horror/thriller fare almost more fun than R?
Tbh yeah we never see the kills only hear them it adds a more creepy atmosphere to everything
"have you ever been high?"
M Night has a great sense of humour that nobody seems to get. Like, do people think that Lady in The Water was supposed to be serious?
Loved the movie. It’s weird and outrageous but it’s so fun and new, kept me entertained and just waiting for what cooper was gonna do next. Great movie very original and refreshing.
"the only coverage they shot for that scene" is so real, so much of this movie felt like they didn't get enough coverage LMAO
How are his motives barely explored? His mother abused him. He sees himself as a monster. And monsters are supposed to be killed by a hero. He is the monster. He is the hero. What else do you need? Why do you need it? Do you ask a person that loves you: "why do you love me?"?
How does the abuse cause him to see himself as the hero? He seemed more like a victim the way he talked about it
I miss the Karstcast Moviecast sooooo much. It would be great to have at least one episode every two months or so. It had a really good run and I'm still holding out hope it can come back : )
Plot holes matter especially when the movie doesn't give you anything else to occupy your mind. Shyamalan might be a good premise guy but in recent years his execution has been severely lacking.
I agree
I never comment on UA-cam. But I want you to know that I'm so happy you said all that, that's exactly how I felt. I don't understand the bad reception this movie got. It was so much fun and sincere and funny and thrilling. Great, great movie.
1:28 put this movie in the same category as the last jedi, indiana jones 5, and recently megalopolis, half bad and half good movies
Nothing half good about Last Jedi or Indy 5. Absolutely baffling how the few people who actually saw them, at THIS point and considering the "popularity" of Disney, can think they're anything more than dumpster juice.
@@reservoirdude92 there are a lot of really great scenes in both movies imo, plus some good story elements, but there are also terribles one too, so kinda like this movie
had so much fun watching this movie, idk his movies are so funny, have a blast every single time lol
Trap made me feel some way... new favorite movie would watch again.
Old wasn't original. It was an adaptation of a graphic novel
I just watched this movie today and I love it. I don't know why so many people were giving bad reviews. And contrary to popular opinion, I actually enjoyed the second half of the film more than the first half. The concert kinda made me cringe. The music was great though. Yes, Josh had to carry this film and he did an amazing job, but him having to carry the film doesn't make it a bad film. He actually made this film good. His ability to act as a convincing psychopath was bone chilling. His calm and cool attitude, and that smile... He should get an award for his role in this film. He did say he studied the Hare Psychopathy Checklist and damn it shows.
As for "The music wasn't great", i would've thought so too if I only heard the music in the film, but I listened to the actual album and for an artist that I've never heard of, she is incredibly talented as a composer/songwriter/and vocalist. There are some really interesting instrumental pieces in songs like "Save Me" with the trombones or trumpets. The arrangements were good.
"A million plot holes... but M Night Shyamalan realizes this."
Pretty sure, he's always realizes this with most of his filmography. He just simply does care enough to fix them.
the wholesome relationship with Riley really takes you off guard and the panoramic shots used really amps up the tension.
That second trailer is so good, I think about it often
This commentary was so funny bc the “everything being off” is so true ……. “There might be costumes and things”…. I LOST IT
The first half's cooper's interaction with jody's mom reminded me of American Psycho 😂😂... I loved the second half just more... Josh Harnett killed it in this one
it would have been better categorized as a comedy/thriller bc this movie had me and the whole theater dying
Yeah dude, I don't think there's one opinion that you have that I've agreed with so far. But, unfortunately, you're the only youtuber who's sincere and interesting that still talks about recent movies, so I appreciate that
I'm gonna plug "Aiden & Antonio" who I've found to have interesting discussions on new movies. They might not be your thing, but if you can spare a couple minutes to check out one of their reviews it might pay off. Also they're new and criminally under watched compared to a lot of the insincere guys you alluded to, so I feel like I'm doing a good deed to mention them where someone might be interested.
I have two main issues with this movie. the first is that we never see him kill or really see his victims, crimes, and actions. I just don’t believe this guy is a killer it doesn’t feel earned when he gets caught because it doesn’t feel like a win. if anything I honestly feel sad that he won’t get to see his daughter again.
my second issue is the amount of people crowding every area of this arena at all times during an active concert. have these people ever been to a concert? do they understand once the show starts most people are PLANTED? why are the halls constantly crowded and everyone seemingly taking crowd intermissions? how can all the seats be full when half the crowd is roaming the halls? the last time I left my seat during a concert in an arena like that I got from the very last row down to the empty women’s bathroom and got my ass all the way back up before the song even ended those halls were a WASTELAND
This movie was so fucking fun, i love a wild ride and this was that
I think everything Shyamalan is doing here is completely intentional and it works brilliantly. Hartnett absolutely makes this movie, his performance is so intrinsic with the film. Everything about the film has this awkward, uncomfortable energy, it puts us right in the headspace of the killer so that even though he's a little underdeveloped, we still feel close and the story becomes far more personal. It almost makes you root for the killer even though realistic we should want him to get caught. We need more of this Shyamalan, he's at his best when he takes a simple premise and injects his signature style into it and not solely trying to just one up the audience at every turn.
0:45 I definitely agree that M Night is very creative, but I thought it is important to mention that old is an adaptation of the graphic novel Sandcastles.
Am I the only one who was vibing to every song?
If trap broke your brain then you must think that Jurassic park is a horror movie
The critique of Josh Hartnett’s delivery being intentionally cringeworthy and off putting because his character is a monster who is trying so damn hard to be a man is interesting and definitely introduces a different way of looking at his performance…but that doesn’t excuse everyone else’s performances from being completely lackluster.
Karsten Runquist, amazing content keep up the fantastic work
I wish it was better since the premise is a really good hook
You are the fantano of movies
incredible how much twitter was bitching about a joke
Dude you put my thoughts into words 100% agree with every word
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Old was an adaptation of a comic
0:50 old is based on a book
Dang I was really waiting for you to tear this movie to pieces!!
Shyamalan didn’t come up with the premise for “Old.” It’s based on a graphic novel which is excellent and worth checking out.
I hope there's a sequel. Josh was great
I’d wanted to watch this movie but didn’t care enough to see it but watched your video and now just watched the movie and was about to get high then remembered what you said and thought hey wow this is perfect (I’m still high now sorry)
Why are we not having a conversation about the main role of the profiler played by Hayley Mills!
Miss Bliss!
he made a movie to showcase his daughter and launch her singing career... what a great dad.
This movie was about how superstars are complex and we love only the fronts the present. The killer as well as the performers all put on a calculated and controlled show.
Holy moly! I didn’t think you give it a 4/5. I agree with your points on this film and love this review.
That makes perfect sense! You think it's gonna be accurate, then it goes off the wall. Then back to normal, back to unreal.
Something that I think would have worked better, is instead of a concert….it was a sporting event. It adds the clock into the equation. He only has so much time to find a way out. The clock counting down and I think the whole movie should have been in the stadium. But I liked the movie.
I struggle to say that the movie is "filled" with plotholes. I feel like I can't think of a genuine part of the plot that is left dangling. Rather there's lots of options, like yes nothing ever comes of Raven's asthma, but like that's just one of many options of things he could use to attack her but it doesn't land on his path that's how I think it's resolved
I agree
This movie has it's flaws , but it was enjoyable. A sequel in this universe would be cool.
I kinda saw it coming that the father, Cooper, was the serial killer when he talked to the employee that the concert was a trap set up for him. But I think the movie is still fun and enjoyable to watch. At first I thought, "okay, this guy is the killer, and plot twist being is that everyone else knows already". He seems like a weirdo and look like one of those bad guys who would end up caught, but turned out to be a great escapist. I love this movie.
I'm not a big movie buff but this was weirdly good; the escapes he makes seem inspired by "Silence of the lambs", where Hannibal Lecter just seems to always get away and get high on the thrill. But YES... there are a lot of plot holes - the biggest one might be when he decides to threaten Lady R. to get into her limo instead of asking nicely.
great review man. it was definitely weird from the dialogue to the camera angles. I think it all truly helped shaped this movie. Do I think it's a 10/10 movie? no but I think it's a helluva smart idea turned movie - even to the point of him trying to help his daughter rather that be her music or acting career. I would definitely watch again... properly not today or tomorrow but definitely in the future. My honest opinion would be around 7/10. What I liked the most was the awkward camera angles/ main guy trying to be sneaky obviously when you could tell he was up to something. What I didn't like- was it didn't feel put together like everything went well but it just seemed like it was missing something.
I was waiting for The Butcher to be a new Unbreakable Villian
If you watch Twin Peaks, you'll notice that it is a goofy, funny, scary horror thriller. That's what this movie is too. And both have a main character named Cooper. Not a coincidence.
Yes. 1:50 I totally understand that reference. 2:01
It was surprisingly well done, I thought it was over at the halfway point 😮
Had me going *dafuq is happening?!*
The way that high comment changed the way I thought about the movie 😭literally so accurate
"Hey honey, let's go through that trapdoor in the stage to see what's down there, wouldn't that be fun?"
Josh Hartnett, master escapist, and genius serial killer.
I think this is in the Unbreakable universe. Another big clue was the color scheme..... Unbreakable blue, Split, Yellow, Glass Purple,.....Trap Red. Almost every scene had a red tint to it. After I saw it again I started to notice a lot of hidden elements of the Unbreakable universe.
THE CONCERT IS NOT THE TRAP! Not a single critci gets this right in their review. It is a real concert that he happens to have a ticket to.
Mate. The FBI profiler says it throughout - it's literally in the trailer as well.
M. Night changed my mind on camp
Never would even attempt to go seeing this in the theater, I knew it would completely fall apart