Love the video Kenny. I’ve flown the R22, 44 and the R66. I love them all, if you fly the Robinsons smoothly and you give them the respect they deserve then you won’t have a problem. The people who have problems with the Robbie’s are the ones that usually treat the helicopter like a toy. You need to respect aircraft, but that applies to any aircraft you fly whether that be a plane or a helicopter.
You buy the machine and get a good flight school to operate it . Insurance & Maintenance covered. You book your times. At 1500 hrs sell the R-22 and use the overhaul money to use as down payments on the next 3 machines (financed down) Rent the machines as before. School grows common costs reduced. You book your training / flights and a bit of revenue Floyd had one Cessna and a Brantley when I met him and He got his 1st R-22, When I left he had a Bell 205, two Bell 47s, Three 206s, Two 500s 1 H 300, a dozen R-22s, six Cessnas and a short time a Bell 222. Yea those were good days - I told guys to buy the machine and rent the instructor and when you decide it's not for you sell the machine, They've always thanked me for the advice. Some guys got well rewarded for it. Those who treated it like a toy? Failed.
So you buy the helicopter and let the flight school operate it for a "leasing fee"? This pays for insurance and maintenance, or is this taken care of by the flight school without you getting involved? Then if you want to fly it, you coordinate with the flight school and book your flights like a student with/without paying the flight school?
Back in 2002 I bought a new R22 beta II and learned to fly in it… two years later I traded up to an R44 - great machines and as safe as the pilot flying them…
training outside of a busy zone saves you $, That .1 wasted get in and out, costs ya. ever want to be near mountains, train near them or stay clear. the 300;s they say are becoming a nightmare like the 500's to get a part for, hearing of over a yr wait on parts.
If I could afford my own R22, I'd of never gotten my commercial, and definitely not have done IR training,...that type of flying was so monotonous and boring it made me actually start to hate flying! I did the touchdown auto course with Jerry in his little yellow HP 22. Lots of fun!
He should do instrument before the commercial check ride! Definitely will save him time especially if he has that 22 with appropriate instruments etc… He will need 5 hours of simulated anyways for commercial 🤘 CFI/CFII from SCA
A fully aerobatic FPV quadcopter is 317,000 dollars cheaper, a lot more transportable, storable, cheaper to operate, and fun. You won't be taking your Robinson R-22 on the plane with you to fly the Swiss Alps any time soon.. It's 2023 and the times have changed. You no longer need to be sitting in a cockpit to enjoy flying.
@@OOTurok Agreed. Sims rule, rc toy fliers drool! Big fan of Uncrashed, AI drone Simulator, and at least 5 other flight sims. If you want to fly now and fly cheap and safely sims are the way to be in the sky... today
It was said at the beginning of this video, and I’ll say it again but more bluntly and to the point: Unless you are fairly wealthy, the vast majority of people have no business buying a helicopter. I equate having enough “spare” money to buy a helicopter, with having enough spare money to buy a Ferrari. (And ironically, you’ll spend A LOT of money just to keep both running.) There’s an old saying about this that’s both funny and true: “If it floats, flies, or f*cks, it’s cheaper to rent than to buy.”
Running things above upper RPM limits will over stress parts causing failure - Engines damage lifters and rotating parts, Rotors, bearings skidding and brinnelling - Not good costs money , Big Money
Kenny, great video and very informative. Thank you. Do you know what the status is for the Helicopter ATP rating as it relates to the new ACS standards?
was Pretty sure I had flown that particular ship back in my early days, then when you show the instrument panel I knew it was, I remember telling the guy the tach is on the wrong side.. It was a good ship to fly though other than that. enjoy
Yes. We are starting with the 66 it just got faa for the new tail cone and empennage like 2 months ago. The 44 will be next year. For all the new models
Love the video Kenny. I’ve flown the R22, 44 and the R66. I love them all, if you fly the Robinsons smoothly and you give them the respect they deserve then you won’t have a problem. The people who have problems with the Robbie’s are the ones that usually treat the helicopter like a toy. You need to respect aircraft, but that applies to any aircraft you fly whether that be a plane or a helicopter.
Absolutely and thanks for the feedback!
You buy the machine and get a good flight school to operate it . Insurance & Maintenance covered. You book your times.
At 1500 hrs sell the R-22 and use the overhaul money to use as down payments on the next 3 machines (financed down)
Rent the machines as before. School grows common costs reduced. You book your training / flights and a bit of revenue
Floyd had one Cessna and a Brantley when I met him and He got his 1st R-22,
When I left he had a Bell 205, two Bell 47s, Three 206s, Two 500s 1 H 300, a dozen R-22s, six Cessnas and a short time a Bell 222. Yea those were good days - I told guys to buy the machine and rent the instructor and when you decide it's not for you sell the machine, They've always thanked me for the advice. Some guys got well rewarded for it. Those who treated it like a toy? Failed.
Thanks for sharing
So you buy the helicopter and let the flight school operate it for a "leasing fee"? This pays for insurance and maintenance, or is this taken care of by the flight school without you getting involved? Then if you want to fly it, you coordinate with the flight school and book your flights like a student with/without paying the flight school?
Great video!
Helicopter ownership cost reminds me of my LandRover Range Rover vechile..lolol😅
Thanks for sharing.
Back in 2002 I bought a new R22 beta II and learned to fly in it… two years later I traded up to an R44 - great machines and as safe as the pilot flying them…
Awesome!
Just stay out of mountain valleys with it.
Im here to say HOGS was the key to getting through my check ride! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Boom! Thank you! :)
Nice ride. I have 50 hours in that helicopter when it was in Mosby
Awesome!
training outside of a busy zone saves you $, That .1 wasted get in and out, costs ya. ever want to be near mountains, train near them or stay clear. the 300;s they say are becoming a nightmare like the 500's to get a part for, hearing of over a yr wait on parts.
Thanks for the feedback
If I could afford my own R22, I'd of never gotten my commercial, and definitely not have done IR training,...that type of flying was so monotonous and boring it made me actually start to hate flying!
I did the touchdown auto course with Jerry in his little yellow HP 22. Lots of fun!
Thanks for sharing
What a great guest, glad you had him on!
Thanks!
I was hoping to hear precise cost comparisons for owning or renting. Is it cheaper to own or just more convenient?
Cheaper to rent
Hello Kenny, I’m wondering how old is Chris?
I didn't ask.
Cockpit seems small for tall people, the guy should be 6 feet tall
It's small helicopter.
He should do instrument before the commercial check ride! Definitely will save him time especially if he has that 22 with appropriate instruments etc… He will need 5 hours of simulated anyways for commercial 🤘
CFI/CFII from SCA
Exactly! I always recommend instrument before commercial if possible!
A fully aerobatic FPV quadcopter is 317,000 dollars cheaper, a lot more transportable, storable, cheaper to operate, and fun.
You won't be taking your Robinson R-22 on the plane with you to fly the Swiss Alps any time soon..
It's 2023 and the times have changed. You no longer need to be sitting in a cockpit to enjoy flying.
Thanks for commenting
This comment and response made me LOL
Microsoft Flight Simulator is even cheaper than your drone. You can crash all you want & it won't cost you a penny.
@@OOTurok Agreed. Sims rule, rc toy fliers drool! Big fan of Uncrashed, AI drone Simulator, and at least 5 other flight sims. If you want to fly now and fly cheap and safely sims are the way to be in the sky... today
@@OOTurok Agreed, and have said so all over the internetz lol. Fly the sim. Fim pilots rule, rc toy pilots drool.
It was said at the beginning of this video, and I’ll say it again but more bluntly and to the point: Unless you are fairly wealthy, the vast majority of people have no business buying a helicopter. I equate having enough “spare” money to buy a helicopter, with having enough spare money to buy a Ferrari. (And ironically, you’ll spend A LOT of money just to keep both running.) There’s an old saying about this that’s both funny and true: “If it floats, flies, or f*cks, it’s cheaper to rent than to buy.”
Thanks for the feedback!
Exit plan...great
Exactly!
What is overspeed again, and why is it bad
Running things above upper RPM limits will over stress parts causing failure - Engines damage lifters and rotating parts, Rotors, bearings skidding and brinnelling - Not good costs money , Big Money
Exactly
Kenny, great video and very informative. Thank you. Do you know what the status is for the Helicopter ATP rating as it relates to the new ACS standards?
The general changes from PTS and ACS are not that significant. Different verbiage and order with a few things added or changes.
ummm.... but how do you have that extra 100k to just let sit around. ..... D:
That's the hurdle for most people.
was Pretty sure I had flown that particular ship back in my early days, then when you show the instrument panel I knew it was, I remember telling the guy the tach is on the wrong side.. It was a good ship to fly though other than that. enjoy
Thanks
Are you purchasing this r-22 for me since it is my birthday today? 🎉🎉🎉🎉😅😊
haha Happy Birthday! Stay tuned to find out :)
I hear these are extremely dangerous
Anything can be dangerous
A flying snowmobile 👍
Thanks for commenting
I hear rumours that Robinson is finally going to re-engineer the craft to reduce the chances of mast bumping. Is this accurate?
That's what we hear!
Yes. We are starting with the 66 it just got faa for the new tail cone and empennage like 2 months ago. The 44 will be next year. For all the new models
@@devengudinas1649 the new features don't resolve the mast bumping problem. It is a problem with main rotor.
Sharp guy!
He did great!