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I think if you stop objectifying women then you also have to stop objectifying men because then your just committing to the same problem. I think while you should respect women doesnt mean objectification is bad. objectification is only bad when the subjects are treated poorly and many people who have been objectified have done great things in the world. at this point i feel patriarchy has become an all encompassing term and has completely lost its meaning anything bad a man does is now patriarchy but thats the problem not everything is patriarchy. I think koreas problem is caused by both sides. like in the US where women use the idea of patriarchy to beat down anything to do with men where i think you are absolutely correct is we need to work on compromise because its killing us
@@Lifeismeaningless175 I checked in, and it seems that the code has to be used in the in-game menu, where it says "Game Code", as opposed to the invitational code when you first start the game. Try that, and see if it works a bit better!
Moon Channel, I want to point out to you that the hunter gatherer theory is being debunked. Anthropologists have found more and more evidence over the years that women also hunted and men also farmed, but it didn't fit the cultural narrative that people find easy to follow. You should look it up sometime, it's interesting.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make this thumbnail. I was told it would involve cake, so I made sure our lawyer had some evidence in his back pocket.
I'm a stay-at-home dad and the section at 16:00 hit hard. It's as though I have to constantly prove my worth, that I do have value. I'm not lazy, nor am I some creepy guy at that park. I'm simply a father.
It's unfortunate that we never had a proper male movement in alliance with feminism to break down these social roles for the men's side. Even though feminism is not gender exclusive, they do have more immediate issues. As a result, while women actually made a lot of progress, men are stuck, and increasingly feeling attacked by both sides.
Noone is looking down on the person for doing housework. BUT We have evolved with men being stronger than women, 70& stronger on average when it comes to upper body strength, and women have evolved a much more acute sense of reading facial expressions and social queues of infants. To send your wife hunting when you are on average stronger than her, would make you look lazy. To have your husband care for your infant when he can't produce milk and he is less in tune with the needs of the infant is equally bad. There is also the added social thing, if the husband dies on the hunt, the woman can be taken care of by the tribe while the infant is still in need of milk. If the woman dies on a hunt, the husband will be fine but the infant will also die unless there is someone else lactating in the tribe. As such, doing it any other way than having your husband hunt and your wife care for the child would be folly. It was like that for 100 000 years, now it doesn't matter nearly as much, the wife could work a nice office job and the husband could have pumped milk in the fridge ready to heat up for the infant. Logically we know that, but it's hard to override evolution, if it was easy there wouldn't be obesity, we would simply command ourselves to not overeat.
I once saw an ad for that game that called it a "one handed shooting game". And that ad ran on youtube. It's ridiculous how different youtubes guidelines are for content creators compared to advertisers.
Hello there. Just to clarify. The North Korean refugees, have not actually considered returning to NK. That is a misunderstanding due to bad translation and bad methodology. 😅 There are multiple of these questionnaires. Now I tried to get North Korean to participate in my case study for my master's thesis. But it is extremely hard to get the Korean government to give you access to these people. Anyway. What they actually are talking about is considered. Not seriously considered. considered here is more like "thought about". Due to discrimination, guilt, missing family, not knowing if you still have a family, and combinations of this and more. Discrimination towards NK refugees and especially women are crazy! Hard is super hard for a SK woman, and it is far harder for a NK refugee woman. Due to stigma, such as being "sexually deviant" due to being the victim of "insert thing I can't mention on YT". Yes it is true many have been the victim of " ". And that is terrible, not something they should be punished for. The helping system in SK for these people is extremely bad. They don't even have IT courses..... Despite most of them, has never worked with a PC before, most don't even know how to plug it in, or turn it on
I still find it to be mostly America's fault when I learned the history, be it about Korea or Japan Not absolving the latters from complete responsibility either.
It's wild that people put men down who are the housekeeper while their wife is out as the breadwinner. There's someone taking care of the house and someone making money for the family, there's a functional duo at work here yet because the man is not being "dominant enough" he's considered less of a man.
@@PlatinumAltaria People who call it not real work are some of the most insecure people I have ever seen. The kind scared to even add sugar to coffee in case it's not "masculine enough" to do so.
No no, you do get it: Housework is *chores,* and chores are dirty work nobody wants to do. The whole reason you get a wife is to make her do all the things you don't want to do, for free no less. The work that's beneath you. If a man is doing this work, it's clearly not because he's simply a mature functional adult who knows that these tasks are really just everyday stuff that needs to be done, but because his wife is making him do the wretched dirty work. Even though physically he could probably beat her into a bloody pulp! It's basically a cat chasing a dog up the tree, it's like he's not even considering the implicit threat of violence he has over her. I have a totally healthy view on my fellow humans. /s
To further the point on Men Nikke being unstabble it is also important to point that the Men were used at the start of the project, when the bodies barely resembled a human and the NIMPH (the process used to control memories and emotions) was barely controlable. Basically the catastrophic failure of Male Nikkes lied upon the fact that they were the prototypes but still went rolling out in combat by virtue of being the only viable weapon, which in turn led to the catastrophic failure of the demography and thus a surpopulation on the demale side, thus to regulate the situation, men were now considered ill-suited as nikke subjects and women would be used instead. Theoretically there's nothing saying the current day ARK cannot create a viable Man model, it's just that the Nikkephobia and very complicated situation and past of the Ark essentially pushes against this very idea. Heck even when Maxwell (that genius) devises a Power Suit that brings any normal human's strength up to that of a NIkke the project is rejected because it isn't as efficient as Nikkes. Yet Nikkes get slaughtered by the dozen on the surface daily and not a single inch of progress has been made. The Ark is entirely decadent and self-centered to the point it cannot see it's own failures, THAT is where the thing leads.
Can you brainless normies take your nonsensical babbling back to Genshin or some s**t? Do NOT start coming into this game and preaching your tired woke dogma BS.
Another thing is the fact that they tried two surface reclamation missions, each with 10000000x more resources dumped into it as compared to when the player character does it and they still failed, half because of incompetence and lack of info, and the other half because of jealousy and politicking. Half of the issues that occur in the game are caused by the incompetence or ignorance of the CG.
Makes you wonder what would happen if someone somehow, through some miraculous circumstance, managed to finally create a male Nikke model that actually performs as well as the female ones despite of the odds stacked against it.
@@Dinoslay In and of itself in current days they wouldn't really have any issues actually, the fabrication process is pretty much well understood so they could just do it for a male. They just sowed the Nikkephobia to a point that no one would consider playing the cards differently. HECK reminder that when Maxwell makes a freaking POWER SUIT that brings human battle performances on PAR to Nikkes it got entirely rejected.
Since you're a lawyer, have you considered doing a video about the Stop Killing Games initiative? Basically they want to enact laws in multiple countries to stop companies from selling games that require access to company servers, then shutting down the servers. One example is the game Lawbreakers which lasted only 1.1 years before shutting down. It was a buy-once game and not a subscription.
Since it involves laws from multiple countries, I wonder how that would affect his analysis and presentation. If he feels like he can speak meaningfully to it, I'd be very interested in this topic, too!
Me when I'm entering a " good fictional universe with deceptively deep theme of segregation and social issues contest " and my opponents are gacha games. 💀💀💀
I mean, in Korea women are both segregated and the social issues plus human rights violations against Korean women by Korean men is unacceptable. I mean why do the Korean men need Internet if all they use it for is oppression and abuse of women?
I mean, considering these (covered at least) gacha games are made in Korea and that country is full of men who violates the rights of Korean women and engage in abusive behaviour towards 3rd world people as well then why wouldn't they? I can't support South Korea because of their criminal behaviour towards women, I feel even India despite everything is safer
Just to add on to the whole Master's Tool concept. Nikke may make for decent commentary, but one has to remember its protagonist's dynamic is not a reflection of reality. It's of course easier to treat the characters with love and respect when you have a narrative guarantee that they'll becoming your loving waifu. That's just...not how women work in real life. Not saying they should be expected to, but the reality is it'll take a greater deal of altruism when real life does not offer the same incentive as the game does.
That’s one way to look at it. But I find myself caring for the characters that don’t have any guarantee to like the player. Like Anne and her story or the failed Nikke of the M.M.R vocational school. I genuinely find myself drawn to finding out a character’s backstory despite their appeal to me.
It's the whole "imagine if it was your wife/daughter/sister/mom" argument. It's cool that you can empathize to women on SOME level, but if it really takes a lasting emotional bond for you to see them as people, then the issue runs much, much deeper. Still, like all change, it has to be a slow boil or the whiplash can send you further back than you started. Well, either that or you need to get violent.
I honestly think the whole argument presented in this video is a bit defeated by the master's tools concept. It's kinda wild that he brought it up in light of that. Like the thing that is so profound about Lorde's statement is how uncompromising it is. There's no room for carveouts or opening the door or anything like that. We simply will not defeat these systems if we use parts of them. No exceptions. I think you bring up a great reason why nikke fails as a commentary actually. The empathy that he talks about is only within the context of a woman who demures who seeks male attention who doesn't rise above her standing. That fails to be feminist. It doesn't show the ills of patriarchy and in it's place substitutes paternalism and male entitlement. I think ironically the place where moony makes the best point is about enjoying media critically. I mentioned that I believe Lorde's statement is uncompromising. I think that's true but not all of your actions have to be towards improving the state of things or tearing down oppressive systems. Sometimes you can just enjoy a dumb horny game without needing to justify it by making it into the thing that could help stop misogyny in Korea.
Media as a tool to shape people's opinions and perceptions has clearly been vastly overestimated. That's not to say that more stories where the male protagonist shows empathy and respects women wouldn't be welcomed or good, but I doubt they'd actually change much.
I'll be honest, when I saw the thumbnail and title, I thought the video would theorise about giving male characters cake so men would know how weird it is to constantly stare at it...
I'll admit I'm only 13:40 into the video and I will continue it but so far I'm like, slackjawed that if _this_ plotline is teaching lessons to its players in S. Korea the bar for not being misogynist there must be so far below the floor that it's burning in hell
Many furries have fursonas without fur, dragons are actually one of the most popular species. So a rhino get together at a furry con makes sense. Your joke is both valid and funny.
When I was little (like 13 or so), I loved Tomb Raider. Here I was exploring these massive, dangerous, beautiful worlds, full of puzzles and things to explore, and I did so as a badass woman. It never occurred to me that Lara Croft existed to be sexualized -- at least, not until my sister looked over my shoulder as I crawled through a tunnel and said "Oh, so you're into butts." I didn't even know how to respond at the time; it wasn't for another few years that I actually pieced together why she had said that. Which... probably says a lot about me. I digress. Flash forward to my college years, and a friend introduces me to a song from a game called Ar Tonelico, created by Gust. Instantly I am hooked. To say I'd never heard something like this before -- never before heard Shikata Akiko's noh-like style, the blend of traditional and modern instruments, even the sublime beauty of a song sung in a conlang -- is an understatement. And when I played the games, I found this rich tapestry of a world filled with vibrant, fascinating, powerful characters -- and most of those are female. You dive into their mind and see them in their weakest moments, but it isn't so you can see them half-naked. It's so you can understand the issues they face and help them overcome them. The second game in particular reads to me as a story of female empowerment, of women accomplishing impossible tasks by working together with other women -- and the men playing a secondary role. Flash forward a few years, and the developer releases another game: Atelier Ryza. I look at the protagonist, and I see a woman ready to go exploring the wilderness, who spends her days hiking through forests. The internet, meanwhile, obsessed over her thighs. Again I didn't understand -- had they ever met an outdoorswoman? -- but when I commented to say so people replied "Gust has always been this way. Just look at Ar Tonelico." And I looked back and I wondered: was that how I was supposed to see them? Was I supposed to see their clothes not as cool, not as gorgeous objects of art that I dreamed of wearing, but as titillating? Yes the female leads do marry the MC if you progress their plot far enough, and yes the game happily includes metaphors for sex, but it had never struck me as objectifying. It keeps happening to me, that pattern. It happened most recently with ZZZ's Zhu Yuan, who to me was a gun fu badass, and then Hoyo released their trailer for her. And by "her" I mean "her ass." "Oh," I thought. "Here we go again." Because again, you have a character who isn't constantly objectified by the plot. No one in the game comments on how she looks or how she's using sex appeal to get people to follow the law or anything like that. If not for the video, which clued me into the online discourse, it probably would've never occurred to me that the men on the internet would see her that way. I know I'm the weird one here. I more than accept that. I know, in a "facts from a book" sort of way, that all of those examples are designed to be titillating. But the games let me engage with them differently. They let me engage with them as full and awesome characters. But when I look at Nikke? When I look at how they actively sexualize each other in dialogue? When I look at the goddamn butt recoil? *I* recoil. I'm sure I'm being unfair; you're far from the first person to tell me Nikke's plot is incredible. But as someone who, for better or for worse, tends to parse female designs in nonsexual ways? With Nikke, I really can't. The game doesn't let me. so uh, yeah. Sorry if i rambled a bit there >_>
As a woman, I kinda had the same way of thinking up until I got really into internet. I just couldn't understand why people looked at a fictionnal character's design in such a sexualized way, to me, showing some skin is just another way of making "cool clothes" (and I'm a character designer, so, that's something I do a lot). It hit me when I showed one of my designs to social media and I got responses from men saying "she's a whore for wearing that" or "I'd like some of that ass" or something. That's just not how I think, and to have such an insulting way of talking about my creation, it's just horrible. Now I know better and take caution when designing, because I simply do not want people to say such things about my characters. But it's even worse with real women being called such things behind the safety of internet, it just horrifies me. To see a world so full of objectification, and knowing that as a woman, I am just never safe...
@@DearShion I apologize if I'm speaking out of turn here, but I hope internet weirdos aren't stopping you from designing the characters you want to design. Even if they're just for yourself, I hope you create whatever you want to create. If you do share your work online, you can try setting the expectation of how people talk about your works and ban and block anybody who doesn't abide.
Moony, once again, thank you for all the help with the crisis over here in Brazil. The donation is no small feat and we are grateful to you and the community. You are definitely invited to the churrasco.
Moony, the first video I watched of yours was "Why doesn't the industry make good girls games?" and I think I subscribed to you within 10 minutes of that video; my husband soon became a fan of yours too. We've been following you ever since and your videos have been such a source of peace, joy, inspiration, and education for the last year. Today is my 29th birthday, so to have this video on a similar topic (respecting women) uploaded today was an extra treat! The little birthday-cake reference at the beginning made me gasp in delight! 😁 Incredible work, as always. My husband and watched the video together and we're planning on rewatching it again sometime soon to fully process all of it! Thank you for this feast of a video ❤
The part about hunter/gatherer societies is a bit outdated, Moony. Archeological evidence and study of hunter/gatherer societies that still exist suggests that both men and women participated in hunting. Seems to depend on what a particular person showed an aptitude for. It’s certainly true that hunters in such societies tend to be men more often than not, but it’s hardly a definitive binary.
I'm curious if we have hard numbers(percentages) of that time? Or at least a good guesstimate? This is really interesting, since it does support a "do what you're personally good at" thing early on, which sort of makes sense since IIRC(been a decade-ish) that those societies were more tightly-knit so they'd have a better idea if "XYZ is pretty strong/fast, maybe they'd be good at hunting".
also makes sense that its driven by passion. if you love the thing you do, you would strive to be better at it, and also perform mediocre at things you dont care about. there wouldnt be space for mediocrity in tough living conditions. there can be men who want to sit in silence and focus on detailed work and women who simply cant sit still and want to burn off energy and feel a rush doing so
@@Pulstar232 hard numbers for societies that actually had literacy and written languages (like Rome or ancient China) are hard to come by. Numbers for societies that predate both of those by thousands of years are... scarce.
I brought up the point about the NK women not actually "Seriously" considering to return to NK. I wrote my master's thesis on suicide in SK, and developed a new theory on it. 😅 Now I did actually have a whole chapter on the NK refugee women. But it was cut for space. What it is actually about is that they have thought about it, not seriously, they know that they would suffer a fate worse than death. But they are worried about their current family in NK, they want to know if they are alive or not. They got survivors guilt. They would like to return, get their family and get to SK again. And any combinations of this, and even more reasons. Such as the extreme discrimination that they face. It is disgusting the level of discrimination that they are facing, especially the women, especially when trying to date. Some of the women spend a decade removing their accent and speech manor simply to blend in....
I think we are looking at a Starship Troopers/Robocop situation. Media that 100% had a certain message, but fans of that media will not see or outright deny that specific message exists, and just see it as the fan-service they want to see. Then a Marketing establishment pushes the "fan-service" over the message. People think Starship Troopers is pro-war, and Robocop is pro-cop, despite the themes and even the creator saying the opposite.
Starship Troopers is the worst example possible, if anything, people who claim Starship Troopers is fascist critique are the ones that didnt read the book and it doesn't try to portray a fascist system in the first place.
@@MachiroableThe movie critiques the book. There are intentional quotes, sometimes with keen amendments, that show that the movie wants to be seen as sharing a subject matter with the book, but it is obvious that the movie doesn't mean to be the book.
Ultimately, you cannot ignore that Nikke is a F2P Gacha Game, and like many of its contemporaries, uses its design to extract value from its playerbase. It ultimately doesn't matter what the message is, because the message is not what sells the game. It's the sex appeal that sells the game, even at the expense of whatever story is written into the game... the game ironically becomes exactly what it criticizes. I figure if you're going to write a story, you go all the way and stop trying to be clever and trying hide your message under layers of pretension. If the story is ugly, make it ugly. If the story is supposed to disgust the reader, don't doll the pig up and call it beautiful ("...but secretly it's ugly, look!").
It's interesting how even in these deconstructions of sorts, there's a power fantasy in that the player character is special. You're so special because you can see how messed up the Nikke system is. And you're the only one. Wow? How'd you get there though? Were you deprogrammed or were you just somehow built different and able to resist it? The last possibility is probably the most common and the least realistic and it's kind of dangerous to have it in consideration. Also yeah, power systems inevitably foist way too much responsibility and pressure onto those who are only *somewhat* powerful. And in that misery they're undergoing, they go on to oppress those "beneath" them. It sucks! Realizing "I don't have to" is really important
Well, considering how the player character _isn't_ the only one who thinks like this, since the goddess squad commander, Johan and Andersen also treat their Nikkes like people and all 3 of them are were the best of the best during their time. Story spoilers for the later chapters From what we can tell currently it looks like Andersen and the goddess commander are the same person and the protagonist seems to be a clone of him or related in some way since all 3 have similar appearance, personality and most importantly the same rare blood type which has the power to destroy the nanomachines implanted in the Nikke's brains, so from what we can gather, the protagonist being different than other commanders might actually be more than just "built different" and more so LITERALLY BUILT DIFFERENT
Commander isn't necessarily the only one, but the one who exceled the most in modern standards. Also take into consideration the militaristic program that brainwash Commanders to treat Nikke like trash and fail their missions to maintain the status quo. The goal of the Central Government is not success, it is to maintain power.
@@keeichidarow I think the point isn't finding a story reason, but like putting the weight of the world on "just a guy" using his privilege for something other than abusing Nikkies. Personally, I would love to see the story show earlier that anti-nikke sentiment isn't as popular but is the defacto mode for most people. It's already in game that the Nikke you work with are passing to most people and don't have to deal with the same level of discrimination like the mass produced ones. Seeing more people who come to ade for the standard nikke at their own hard would be a way to show that it doesn't take a special skill to step up.
@Solinaru Quick reminder that a lot of people don't know that most of them are actually Nikkes, especially the ones that stay at the Ark. I know that Underworld Queens and Triangle are both seen as humans by the public, not sure if any of the other squads are confirmed to be like that too but most of the probably are
When you talked about empathy, it reminded me of Fate/Grand Order, where mages are taught that servants are nothing but tools and weapons, and the protagonist, while weak, makes up for it with his empathy and compassion for the servants, who in turn respect him and quite literally would die for him. And as a Brazilian, thanks for your efforts for Rio Grande do Sul,
I have a lot of mixed feelings on FGO. On one hand, I did have an amazing experience, playing on NA on release, got 2x Jeanne right on my first 10-pull (the first actual 10-pull), and she immediately became my companion in the game. Did all missions with her, maxed her out, and the cutscene at the final fight of the first part actually caught me off guard. That game genuinely made me care about a .png. And when I say that it almost feels like a genuinely positive game, then I remember Jack the Ripper exists.
that is actually a fate thing in general. for example the OG protagonist in Shirou Emiya also goes through with it. not to diminish FGO but technically that is one of the bigger themes of fate. the die for the protagonist bit is also due to servants dying alongside their master when they die so they kind of have to put his life first. once again not to diminish a theme but to point out it is there through the whole universe of fate.
the thing about FGO is that, the predatory gatcha is coming from sony, the degenerate wifu shit is coming from takeuchi, the actual good story and lore is from mushroom man himself. There is no reason why they should be coupled together. I'm sure its kinda similar situation for nikke
In the name of all the people from Rio Grande do Sul, I thank you for your kindness. My family was directly affected by the floods and the situation was pretty bad. People refusing to leave because they were afraid of having their belongings taken by criminals (keeping the faith they would be working by the end of it all), other people trying to find their pets, not to mention the feeling of uncertainty brought by the material loss. Having people like you around makes the world a better place, Moony! ❤
It's funny how after such an optimistic take on the subject you can see both parties lashing at each other in the comment section. I guess the Masters have nothing to worry about.
People disagree, people argue. But I haven’t seen people “lashing out” No personal insults or something like that. Which on the internet I would consider a win
@@notmyname213 1. Segregation is bad (duh) 2. Be the change you want to see; Commander (you) is actively contributing to end the human/nikke segregation by treating them as equals, even sticking out his neck on multiple occasions just to make sure all of the nikkes under his command is treated humanely. 3. Fleshed out lore + good writing + great QoL + jiggle physics = automatic money printer
@@michaelskoomamacher5652 wow, call me privileged but I was able to learn all that without gratuitous jiggle physics. I'm teasing but I do think it's a stretch to call this game educational
I just don't see an issue with any game using cake to sell the game, especially Nikkei that is trying to be nice and sweet in it's messaging. I just don't see it as objectification, no more than how men in media are portayed to have unrealistic body standards as well
15:42 Some anecdotal evidence to the contrary. I, dad, thankfully not a single one, take my kid to the playground a lot and there's dads and moms, together and alone and no one bats an eye and everyone's really friendly. Furthermore whenever I or my wife see a dad spending time with his kid on the playground - we feel nothing but good will towards the guy, which is because yeah, moms do it more and that guy is doing right thing. I dunno, it's probably not that bad for a dad to take the kid to the playground, but maybe we just live in a nice place. I myself have fond memories of hanging out with my dad on the playground, and I think it's great.
My dad is the one who takes the kids (his son's/my brother's kids) to the park all the time. Even myself as a 35 yr old, he still takes me places to hangout too. Also he works 2-3 jobs at a time (one fulltime, the others freelance). That makes me feel sorry for kids who have dads that don't spend time with them and only have one or even no job.
5:20 Considering the backlash at Omni-Man and Solid Snake both getting the same exact nerf in Fortnite as Tracer did early into Overwatch's life... Although in Snake's case, his cake had become a bit of an internet meme.
9:47 As a furry, I would say the joke still works since people with Rhinoceros fursonas are still furries, despite rhinoceros not having fur like Scalies or similar animals
I started Nikke earlier this week, absolutely floored me with how great of writing, and how deep its stories started, and then continued to go. This video contextualized a lot, and I am very glad that you made it, and I saw it. Thank you, absolutely subscribing and looking forward to hearing more of your essays.
Disco Elysium, Specifically Joyce Messier: "Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead..."
The problem with trying to address serious issues in art is that most people don't look to art for critical thought or direction, and even less so the people who are perpetuating the problem. At most it functions as reminder or validation for those who already sympathize with the opinion, and arguably making a more than fair profit for that simple service. If a game tries to compel players to address anything they're not prepared for it always has disastrous results, especially because the tacit social contract of a gacha game is that it's supposed to be for fun, not purpose, and neither does it have any meaningful way to address purpose effectively outside of what a player is willing to give to the subject matter themselves. ie. If the game wants its influence to be taken seriously it needs to give the player something materially valuable to balance out the stakes of the exchange, and there's only so much a gacha game can give where the relationship is the player gives them money to enjoy themselves on the product on offer.
this is also partially why whenever a gacha game tries to comment on capitalism it falls hollow for me like... gacha is the most predatory monetization system when it comes to games? lol? it feels so performative (though of course its more nuanced than that since the writers probably arent the ones making the business decisions, but I'm not writing an essay in a youtube comment)
ages ago when i was in school, one project involved making a shirt. they gave us a clip art CD and told us to pick something. they refused to let me make a Birth of Venus shirt. This comment doesn't really add much to the discussion or anything, I'm just still a little peeved all this time later.
I'm reminded of an InnuendoStudios video about the AI companion Joi in the new Blade Runner film. It discusses the concept of agency and how typically people talk about how protagonists with agency, especially women protagonists, are viewed as more relatable, aspirational characters. But there's a limitation of agency, in that it prevents the media consumer from relating to the character with their own lack of agency. It seems like Nikke is straddling the line of agency and non-agency with their characters. It allows its characters to have strong personalities and relative power, but also places them at the absolute bottom rung of a strict hierarchy, and showcases just how little agency they have. I think this is part of the secret sauce of empathy Nikke seems to be cultvating.
I've played Nikke for a long time and it's funny how desensitized to the "Cake" I am. I don't care at all about the sex appeal, I'm here for the team building and raid battles lmao. This was a great analysis as always!
I can't believe the lengths people will go through to try to justify their booty jiggle simulators to themselves. Bro you just play it because the buts go wiggle wiggle, it's not that deep 😂
On the topic of "master's tools," I've heard it once alleged that second-wave feminism is a tool of capital. The reason being: it doubles the available pool of labour, instantly halving individuals' power in the labour market. More supply of warm bodies means capitalists can pay those warm bodies less; it doesn't matter what gender those bodies are. One could argue we're already seeing the chickens coming home to roost in this area. In our current economic climate, how many women truly are free to choose whether to work outside the home or to be a housewife? Most I've talked to seemed like they didn't have a choice. Any thoughts on this line of argument? What might its implications be?
Most poor women already worked before 2nd wave feminism. It gave women more access to better paying jobs but the percentage of women in the workforce would have only gone up (and this is my non-researched guess) 5-%10%.
I think it's overall a good thing, but there is definitely some downsides that are ignored... Especially women in my age, Millennials or older, I believe many of us feel stuck in between either unable to decide (between kids or career) OR having already been screwed over as kids back when our parents were raising us to become housewives, so we were disadvantaged or unable to pursue careers like younger women (assuming they live in more progressive households or were empowered at younger age thanks to internet). For example myself, I was never allowed to learn to drive, use my own bank account (until 27 when I moved out), or go to college (my parents would only pay for recreational courses but never let me pursue a degree, and obviously I couldn't afford it alone, but they paid for my brother's college education and taught him to drive and gave him a starter car when he was 16, ofc because he's the son). As a kid, I was only allowed the explicitly "girl" toys which was basically all dolls at the time, so I wasn't even allowed to get legos or science toys which I really wanted. I have multiple female friends my age or older who dealt with the same things themselves too, so it unfortunately is not just me. And while it's great that young women are being pushed to succeed as independent, it feels like we're basically being left behind. Even though it's not their intention. There is a lot of pressure for us to suddenly get college-level careers to be seen as desirable women. VERY FEW men where I live want to date unemployed or part time working women, men even at my age, want college-educated women with full time careers especially in STEM. Which is understandably in part due to the requirement of being high-income DINK to afford to live here comfortably. But women like me were simply not prepared or raised for this. Otherwise, 98% of men who do not care about my job are desperate creepy types, or psychopathic rich peedo dudes who fantasize about caging me (which doesn't help that I'm petite and Asian). I was lucky to find someone who didn't care and was not a creep, but we both are poor and struggling. NOW of course my brother's toddler daughter today is encouraged to play with legos, sports, etc. How I wished they raised me. Perhaps my parents saw how I turned out (clinical depression and anxiety, stuck on SSI and part-time work, unable to afford rent with poor bf, etc) and realized they needed to not repeat the same mistake on their granddaughter. So hopefully they as Gen Alpha can at least not worry about becoming like me or being stuck in only domestic roles.
This reminds me of the manga/ anime 86. I didn’t love it as much as other people because some proclaimed it to be the best exploration of systematic oppression in anime. At the time I resented that as it felt ridiculous that weebs and gamers needed to view systemic oppression through the lens of cute mostly white anime girls to understand it. It also felt very shallow as an exploration of that idea, but in hindsight I think if that’s what it takes to for some to start thinking about these things it’s still a good thing. I just still feel uncomfortable when a piece of media perpetuates the thing it’s attempting to criticize/ examine. That applies to both 86 and nikke
I would honestly question how much people are actually starting to think about these things because of media like this. Not rhetorical, Are people actually getting these messages and are they using them as jumping off points to do their own questioning thinking and introspection? Nikke has mass appeal because it doesn't ask it's player to do anything hard. You're having empathy for girls who are going to reward you with attention affection or dependency. WIll that empathy still be present within these men when the girls aren't pretty or when they want nothing to do with you or when they're displaying anti-social behavior? Will these players be more open to hearing about feminist theory in the future? It's hard to convince me that they will.
Thank you @moon-channel for another great, insightful video. I've tried and failed over many many years to have these sorts of topics and conversations within many gacha game communities and have always been met with a lot of hate. It's good to see these topics being tackled. I'd like your input however. You mainly mention Nikke in this video but wouldn't the recent Hoyo games be more appropriate for this topic? Genshin, Star Rail and Zenless all feature a mixed sex cast of characters that interact with each other in various levels. I've always been of the opinion that gacha games are mainly played by lonely people, especially lonely men, and while I've never had this issue, I get the feeling that these same people have very little interaction with other people. Which makes them prone to wanting affection especially from the opposite sex. Which in turn leads them to shun men that interact with the objects of their desires. Now people aren't islands and most have a social circle, so inevitably, feelings of jealousy would rise and what could be a healthy friendly relationship gets thrown out the window and the cycle repeats itself. Wouldn't games like Genshin, HSR, ZZZ or even older titles like FGO, Langrisser M, Final Fantasy gachas and GBF help gacha gamers to like and respect their waifus and their relationships? in turn teaching people to respect others in general and gain confidence in themselves to do greater things? In particular ZZZ introduce Jane Doe, a character that got a pretty good reception, and in the episode where she's introduced she interacts quite a lot with Seth, a male character. What surprised me was that the communities of ZZZ seem to have taken the interactions quite well with a lot of art from Easter and Western artists putting the characters together. I say this because of the recent NTR scandals that have been making waves in the gacha gaming communities, particularly what happened with GFL2. I was a very big fan of GFL a long time ago and something that had kept me in the franchise was the fact that the game wasn't overly lewd and had a decent story that touched on many themes present in NIKKE. The community was also immensely faithful. Now I understand that GFL2 had a lot of issues in launch and that the gameplay wasn't very enjoyable but I'd figure the fans would persist merely on the story. It just surprised me immensely that the fact that one character worrying over an opposite sex npc would be enough to trigger the situation the franchise is in. One of the comments I read I found particularly disturbing where the commenter said something like "they sold love to me and now they were spitting on it". I get that selling "marriage" items is a factor but thinking you are in "love" with something because you paid 10 bucks is so, so twisted. Anyway what do you think? Sorry that I might have spoiled some of ZZZ.
It sounds like the harem troupe of games, Anime and Manga where all girls fall in love with him for showing basic decency. Rewarding the character for it, so people can project themselves themselves on them. Is it really that much deep...
The message isn't *wrong* but the structure of live services makes it all but certain that there'll be a level of disengaging when farming for the next story content. It's a similar thing that happens with competitive pokemon, you have the powerhouses first and the characters you actually care about second.
Why do you believe the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house, so to say? People aren't infinitely competent; they can leave open room for their own undoing.
The "master's tools" don't just exist as simple objects devoid of external meaning, purpose, or direction. In this metaphor, they exist in a broader context. The master's tools were made to create the world that the master wants, which is to say, a world of comfort for the one at the top and a world of subjugation for those below. To seize the master's tools as a means of acquiring the power would, at best, simply change the person at the top of the power structure. To muddle it with another metaphor, could a particularly talented reformer reach the top of a multi-level marketing scheme? Absolutely. They could be a very talented salesperson and pursued their path with the most noble ends imaginable. But when the reformer reaches the top, they're still leading a pyramid scheme. And if they try to fundamentally change that system, the people around them will kick them to the curb to maintain their status, wealth, and power.
@@watchinvids155 The tools of democracy were made to create governments that would remain that way. That hasn't prevented many from collapsing to authoritarianism, many by using the tools of democracy itself rather than brute force alone. By changing enough people at the top, you can change the system itself. Even if it was deliberately crafted to resist such changes. People are imperfect.
@@TheLastScoot Just because a country has democracy doesn't mean it will have stability, democracy's aren't toppled down or collapse to authoritarianism just because the system randomly decides to, but rather because it has been unable to provide stability to it's citizens, and it's citizens are willing to break down democracy to earn stability If the master's house was built in a way that the master's tools could easily break, then the master's house was shoddy in the first place, you ever read on the history of democracies turned into dictatorships? You ever wondered why the U.S never worried about turning into a dictatorship? Russia in the 90's, Germany in the 30's, Italy in the 30's, all of them went from republics to dictatorships because their republics sucked fucking ass and were unable to provide even the most basic semblance of cohesion, the checks and balances of the republic could be easily circumvented or outright removed, and there was barely anything that could actually stop a dictatorship once it's head started coming out
Regarding objectification- I don't necessarily think its bad on it's own in purely fictional contexts as long as you understand that, yes, it is bad in real contexts. Pretty much in the same way that I feel that murder or other crimes are totally fine in a totally fictional context (such as video games) as long as you understand that, yes, you shouldn't do that in real life. In whatever ballot boxes or systemic change that occurs to make the world a better place and limit or remove the possibility for things like the patriarchy that harms us all- I really hope that doesn't come at the collateral cost of ruining the ability of fiction portray or even indulge in problematic themes or content. I feel that would be limiting, unnecessary, and harmful to artistic freedom and expression.
You're entirely correct in your assessment, honestly the arguments against objectification in games sounds a lot like the old "Video games cause violence" discussions.
@@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch I agree. I also agree with pretty much everything said in the video, but I do think this distinction about problematic things in fiction vs in reality is important and that striving for a better real world shouldn't also mean a "better" fictional world.
@@CramerGamer99 I also agree with most of the video, Moon Channel is great at putting things together and knowing when something is harmful to everyone rather than pretending it only hurts certain people. This video, while it has a few misses, is overall an excellent one.
@@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch its pretty faulty but its a good video the logic is naive the hook of the game is sex what keeps the players around is sexual desire and that will always triumph over the message
I'm so Happy to see this video. Its a fantastic edition to my Food for Thought Playlist! I wouldn't be too worried Moonie, Your audience is incredible at this kind of thought provoking self reflection, its what we come to you for after all.
I still think that such games do more harm than good They condition males to treat hot females well to receive some form of compensation in return. But IRL they wouldn't care much about a girl who isn't hot, or out of their reach, or one who is not offering the services he thinks he's entitled to because he was a Nice guy.
Gacha games are just absolutely weird in the paradox they create. They are games that depend on selling you characters, literal comodification, and objectification, mostly of women as men are the bigger spenders. But becouse of this you have all this stories and characters that place women as powerfull competent fighters and leaders. In genshin impact for example, 5 out of the 7 gods of the world are women and almost every country we have been in is rulled by a woman. The only one that wasn't end up being an ilegitimate goberment that marginalized people of color, imposed horrendous laws against freedom of speach, created an invasive survailance sistem and tried to exploit the people they were suposed to rule to create a mechanical god out of a traumatized and exploited war criminal. That's one game. Fate Grand Order has some of the best narratives in the business often arround beautifull women in power becouse... well, they sell better so of course they must be the focus, same with Wuthering waves, same with Honkai impact and star rail, etc, etc, etc. What we have is a huge colection of stories and characters depicting strong, competent woman in positions of power that are sold to the players as this beautifull colection items. It's absolutely wilde, becouse as an almost exclusively gacha game payer, I have to come to terms with the fact that I do treat this representations of womanhood as both the most impresive artistic examples of the human spirit and as an object of sexual desire or at least as this rare colectables that I want to own just for the sake of it, like buying a cool figurine. And honestly, that tension is not found just in gacha games. Marble statues have the support of the artistic and academic cannon behind, but they are no diferent than a gacha character, in the end, an artistic representation of the best of humanity that exist only becouse it can be comodified at least enough for somebody to pay the artist to keep themself from diying from starvation as they can own that representation of the best of humanity just as I own my C2 Raiden Shogun. Right now my PC is under repairs so I can't play and I'm really sad both becouse I want to go back and experience the wonderfull stoires that are about to be released soon but also becouse I need to start saving so that I can own the characters I want to own, all of them women. This contradiction is wilde. (sorry for the bad english)
Shift up never added bond stories to my beloved R units so I will remain unreasonably pissed, to hell with all the other characters, except Delta she's chill
As a brazilian, while i do not live in the area affected and have no direct ties to the people suffering from the disaster, i would still like to give my heartfelt thanks to moon channel, all the people that donated and to this community in general. Thank you truly it may feel like a small change in a world this big but its life changing to someone out there, and thats the kind of thing that is always something worth striving to do
This is the first Moon Channel video I have to wholeheartedly disagree with. I really do think the fact that you needed to censor so much of the basic gameplay and promotional materials gives away the game, so to speak. Media is more than its script or dialogue! One could make a film about war, featuring a warhawk protagonist and supporting cast that talks openly about the glory of combat and triumph over their enemies - yet through framing, visual and audio design, and uncountable other factors make it clear that the work as a whole is anti-war. It really seems like the opposite is happening in NIKKE. I have heard good things about NIKKE's story! But when I tried to play it I realized that no amount of skippable dialogue is going to balance out the hypersexualized characters who are always onscreen in the most degrading poses and animations possible - to say nothing of the monetization scheme baked into the game that further commodifies them. As is mentioned in the video, there is no female player character that can subvert the (hetero)male gaze that dominates the game. Everything in NIKKE is filtered through the eyes of men - even when congratulating the all-female combat team, the game heaps praise on the male commander for being relatively nice to his harem. Unless some later part of the story actually punishes players for thinking of their units as game abstractions or sex objects, it seems to me that NIKKE is content to pay lip-service to feminist ideas while it collects its paycheck from misogynists. This is one of the cases where I have to agree with Marshall McLuhan that the medium is the message. Try all you want to humanize the characters in your game, but if you're literally selling them for real-world currency then you're always incentivizing the player against that message. I'm reminded of the game Little Inferno by Tomorrow Corporation. It's built using the aesthetics and surface-level structure of predatory free-to-play games with the intent to satirize. Crucially, Tomorrow Corporation stops short of taking up the master's tools and never lets the player pay real money. If they had, the entire critique would trip and fall at the starting gate.
Totally agree with you, I hated the same shit in Persona 5 where it focuses on Ann's storyline about SA and grooming.....only to give this underage girl a bdsm inspired outfit and a 'maneater' persona, what the fuck??? Persona 5 has a shit ton of problems with it's depiction of women despite trying to be at least a bit feminist.
Thanks Moon, loving this continued dive into how...*waves hands* all of these complex topics interact. Your dulcet voice and excellent writing couldn't be a better guide.
You have the most consistent way of having a video subject of something that I don't initially care for, but it stays in the back of my mind while other things come up in my life that make me think of it, until I eventually go back and watch for more information on a subject, finding an incredibly well-thought-out and insightful work. I've been sharing your videos wherever I can, you absolutely deserve to pop off.
Excellent video. I've been hoping it would come out since you had it on a poll a while back. I am one of those Gacha Gamers, Azur Lane and GFL mostly. I remember seeing ads for Nikke leading up to it's release and decided to check it out on day one. I was hooked by the end of the first chapter. I love it when the games actually show things through the characters eyes, and Nikke does a good job if you pay attention. I remember one scene you go into a store or cafe with Rapi, and the first thing you hear is a variation of "That thing has to wait by the door". I think that's when it hit what they were trying to do with the story. Lot's of little lines a dialogue most people don't even notice that tells a whole story. I'm actually pretty proud of the fanbase for once. While there's still a large portion just there for the "Cake", not that I can blame them. But there's also a lot who actually see the characters as characters. Not the usual "hot PNG's". Hell, there's even a fan comic I saw about Mass Production Nikkes developing their personalities. As for the last bit, I hope for the former as well. I've been to areas where things are decided by ballots, as well as places decided by bullets. That is something NO ONE wants. It never goes well for anyone involved, even when it's inevitable and for a good reason.
The master's tools, the ones we need to work on are best summed up by Albert Einstein in his article, Why, Socialism, and by Immanuel Kant. Einstein mentions we humanity needing to move past it's "predatory phase", and I think Kant offers a good way to assess if someone is being predatory, "Act that you use humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as an end, never merely as a means". In many ways the patriarchy works around hierarchies designed to assess who should get the right to use others as a means to patriarch's ends, but no one should have that right. Some think the opposite of patriarchy is matriarchy, but that would just be new people picking up the master's tools. Not using the master's tools means no one is the master of others. One of the hardest parts of making a successful world with no one mastering others, is everyone needs to be able to convey and discuses their wants and needs in reasonable ways. People who live under systems with masters, are taught to live under masters, and a world without them would seems like a world that would not functions, since the master's have taught them, without us the world would not function. Though also, without master's a would might struggle to functions if people are unaware how to master themselves. The masters would like you to think it's lack of will power or intellect, but honestly most masters haven't mastered themselves, since using others and a means and extracting value from others does not equal self mastery. Sadly feminism in many situations go coopted, in that the patriarchy said, "what if we let women into the hierarchy", which is what Audre Lorde was warning against when she said, "The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House." and she followed up, "And this fact is only threatening to those women who still define the master's house as their only source of support.", but I would expand what she said, And this fact is only threatening to those women AND MEN who still define the master's house as their only source of support. Notice how many men have run to red pill spaces, in hopes that self proclaimed "alphas" will show them how to take power over others. What better example of men believing they aren't the master, but the idea of the master's house is their source of support. It is much easier to rob someone with a gun, than to find and negotiate with someone to find an exchange were both people feel happy and not as though someone has taken advantage of them. It will take more work to make a better world, but the reward is a better world.
Okay I love the video, but I do need to ask Whats the song at 4:58? Edit: Apromixmentally after 3 seconds of searching (aka using shazam) the song name is called "A.C.P.U! Freeze" Your welcome to anybody else searching for it
Cosmograph, the lead composer for Nikke, posts his OSTs on his youtube channel. He has a very wide range of EDM genres. Another example is the song @31:42. It's also a Nikke OST called "Lovely lonely cat" and if my memory is correct, it's also composed by Cosmograph. One crazy example in my opinion is "I feel so alive". It's the goddamn in-game cash shop loop. It has no right being this good of a song for just an in-game shop.
When you first announced this, I ended up just thinking about people complaining about snake being nerfed in smash ultimate, and wondering if people were being louder about it than about samus, or if it just stood out to me more.
The point about not being able to use the tools which created the problem to completely dismantle it as a particularly poignant one. I think the hope is that, when you see the problem in a way that you can digest, maybe if enough people experience that, together we can move the needle to a more productive place on the Spectrum. At least that tends to be what I think
I really like how you can take a topic and use it to educate about niche topics like how your video on gacha gender wars is mostly about Confucianism's impact on cultural norms and legislature. But this is giving "Is [pop star] a feminist? Is Mastercard a queer ally? Is this TV show my friend?"
It's a shorter video so he likely couldn't go as in-depth as he would want, and it feels a lot like an appendix or extre to the Gacha Gender Wars series. Still, I don't think it's as generic as you put it. This is still a video about patriarchy, about how media can help reinforce it or dismantle, how even minor jabs can be impactful but you still can't expect products of the patriarchy to undo it. It's not so much about whether or not Nikke is "feminist", but how Nikke as a case-example succeeds and fails to partake in the gender discourse.
Beautiful video. I agree for the most part. And you were right, I probably would have never clicked the video if Nikke wasn't involved. This is giving me something to think about and i got to say your voice is soothing and easy to listen to. Thank you for making this video.
@@floffnie unfortunately the anime has it own ending and there are two important arcs it doesn't go into. However it is from the era where the dubs where decent.
@@misterwachulochulo5262 It isn't that bad, it's just a little bit of a rushed boss fight that ends with with a vague tease for a 2nd season that never happened. That kinda mirrors the manga ending at least the last few minutes.
15:55 Moon, I didn't ask to be personally attacked like this I just wanted to know more about gacha games I've never played and learn about history and politics and stuff
I'm going to give just a little pushback on the idea that patriarchy, and in a sense society itself, is solely constructed by men. Even if men, as the ones frequently in positions of power in society (not always, there were matriarchal societies), often had the most influence, it's more than a little sus to suggest 50% of the population don't play a huge role in creating social structures. It also ignores the power women often did have, the (usually unsung) role women had in shaping history and society, and the role women have in upholding the power structures and social norms of society, even societies where they are second class citizens. I would argue that framing patriarchy in such a way is at least part of why many viewers would balk at your use of the word. Patriarchy, especially in online discourse (being the dumpster fire it is), is sometimes treated as a system made by an evil cabal of men for the sole purpose of uplifting men and keeping women down, and your more reasonable framing of it still plays into this. You clearly understand this, since you push back against it yourself. Still, you could have just as easily said that people in power, who have the most influence on society, favor systems that keep them in power, and that those in power were usually men, and it'd have still gotten the point across (and better explained the likes of Queen Victoria). Plus, as I've seen other comments mentioning, it's wrong to say that men were hunters and women were gatherers, or that essentially men being in military = men being in power. Just look to how ironically matriarchal Sparta turned out when the wealth started getting concentrated in the hands of women to see how reductionist that idea is. This is not to take away from the overall point of the video, or that many aspects of society (theology, philosophy, science, etc) have historically been dominated by men to the exclusion of women. I just think it's one of the topics worthy of a little bit more nuance is all. Which, is also not to take away from the nuance you already did give the topic, either. You did a great job, and this is just me suggesting one thing you could have done even better, and maybe giving some people a little food for thought. And ultimately I will absolutely support the suggestion that eliminating systems of inequality is something that will benefit all of us, and that there are many valid and peaceful methods we can use to progress towards that goal.
The "men were hunters, women were gatherers" thing is somewhat a myth. While it's true that this was the most common arrangement, studies of hunter-gatherer societies found that virtually all of them included people of all genders doing both to varying degrees. And while common, misogyny is cultural, and was not necessarily universal until colonialism. What's come to light in recent years is that a lot of archaeologists have projected their modern cultural expectations onto their studies, for example, sexing a skeleton as male purely because they were buried with hunting gear, and then using circular logic to make claims about gender roles within that society.
Came here to say this. There's 0 evidence for "men hunted women stayed home." In fact hunting was the only sport in medieval European society where men and women competed as equals.
@@nerdycookiegirl8423 ….. its an almost universal thing for men to take power and start justifying it even in the tribal stage i dont get how you monkeys seem to miss that
People love to over-analyze things Humans can feel empathy even to objects so there is no subversion in NIKKE And plot of NIKKE is pretty logical as humans are generally social creatures which require empathy so conflict of empathy vs no-empathy pretty much obvious Unfortunately people, similarly to top brass of Ark, want to see their supremacy and impose their morality on people. And so we come to these people starting to over-analyze plot filled with common tropes as something greater than it is just to prove their fantasy Hierarchy is natural order of things, but people want to rebel against natural order because they want to feel superiority for their selfish reasons That's why we destroy good in our society either due to elderly decadence or youth naivete.
Really great video A possible answer to the question being asked in the title is yes, but to a very small degree For example, I think that the vast majority of the NIKKE community would probably react negatively to this video (especially since you uttered the P word): just for reference, there is a part of this community that wanted to boycott the Last Kingdom event solely because the new free NIKKE, Kilo, was inside of a Mecha Unit (they couldn't care less about her backstory as to why that was the case or about anything else that wasn't her appearance (or lack thereof)) but if it's of any consolation there are also NIKKE players like myself that are, as you said, quite self-aware and that will therefore enjoy it a lot
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I think if you stop objectifying women then you also have to stop objectifying men because then your just committing to the same problem. I think while you should respect women doesnt mean objectification is bad. objectification is only bad when the subjects are treated poorly and many people who have been objectified have done great things in the world.
at this point i feel patriarchy has become an all encompassing term and has completely lost its meaning anything bad a man does is now patriarchy but thats the problem not everything is patriarchy. I think koreas problem is caused by both sides. like in the US where women use the idea of patriarchy to beat down anything to do with men where i think you are absolutely correct is we need to work on compromise because its killing us
@@Rainos62 Your concerns are addressed in the section of the video at 15:37
@@Lifeismeaningless175 I checked in, and it seems that the code has to be used in the in-game menu, where it says "Game Code", as opposed to the invitational code when you first start the game. Try that, and see if it works a bit better!
Moon Channel, I want to point out to you that the hunter gatherer theory is being debunked. Anthropologists have found more and more evidence over the years that women also hunted and men also farmed, but it didn't fit the cultural narrative that people find easy to follow. You should look it up sometime, it's interesting.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make this thumbnail. I was told it would involve cake, so I made sure our lawyer had some evidence in his back pocket.
He is wonderful thicc
I love the thumbnail great work!
nice cake indeed
Some evidence and a case brief or two
Typical Phoenix Wright, when investigating cakes, he pockets the whole cake factory to be used as evidence.
>Would you have watched this video if it didn't have Nikka in it?
Brother I didn't even know what this game was when I clicked.
lol same
Also same. But as usual, Moon knocked it out of the park (also as usual)
I do know nikke, but it bores me to death, only reason i watched it's cuz moon is cool
I knew OF it, but I only knew it as "a gacha game among others"
Same and wonder why pastries help to respect women. 🤪
I'm a stay-at-home dad and the section at 16:00 hit hard. It's as though I have to constantly prove my worth, that I do have value. I'm not lazy, nor am I some creepy guy at that park. I'm simply a father.
It's unfortunate that we never had a proper male movement in alliance with feminism to break down these social roles for the men's side. Even though feminism is not gender exclusive, they do have more immediate issues. As a result, while women actually made a lot of progress, men are stuck, and increasingly feeling attacked by both sides.
Why would you give a flying f___ to what people think? Unless youre thinking of doing it.
@@DontKnowDontCare6.9 You simply notice it, what about it?
@@DontKnowDontCare6.9 Almost like humans, as social creatures, constantly think about how others perceive them.
Noone is looking down on the person for doing housework.
BUT
We have evolved with men being stronger than women, 70& stronger on average when it comes to upper body strength, and women have evolved a much more acute sense of reading facial expressions and social queues of infants.
To send your wife hunting when you are on average stronger than her, would make you look lazy.
To have your husband care for your infant when he can't produce milk and he is less in tune with the needs of the infant is equally bad.
There is also the added social thing, if the husband dies on the hunt, the woman can be taken care of by the tribe while the infant is still in need of milk.
If the woman dies on a hunt, the husband will be fine but the infant will also die unless there is someone else lactating in the tribe.
As such, doing it any other way than having your husband hunt and your wife care for the child would be folly.
It was like that for 100 000 years, now it doesn't matter nearly as much, the wife could work a nice office job and the husband could have
pumped milk in the fridge ready to heat up for the infant.
Logically we know that, but it's hard to override evolution, if it was easy there wouldn't be obesity, we would simply command ourselves to not
overeat.
I once saw an ad for that game that called it a "one handed shooting game". And that ad ran on youtube. It's ridiculous how different youtubes guidelines are for content creators compared to advertisers.
Well yes. One is a product to attract advertisers, the other one paid to be shown.
Hello there. Just to clarify. The North Korean refugees, have not actually considered returning to NK. That is a misunderstanding due to bad translation and bad methodology. 😅 There are multiple of these questionnaires. Now I tried to get North Korean to participate in my case study for my master's thesis. But it is extremely hard to get the Korean government to give you access to these people.
Anyway. What they actually are talking about is considered. Not seriously considered. considered here is more like "thought about". Due to discrimination, guilt, missing family, not knowing if you still have a family, and combinations of this and more. Discrimination towards NK refugees and especially women are crazy! Hard is super hard for a SK woman, and it is far harder for a NK refugee woman. Due to stigma, such as being "sexually deviant" due to being the victim of "insert thing I can't mention on YT". Yes it is true many have been the victim of " ". And that is terrible, not something they should be punished for. The helping system in SK for these people is extremely bad. They don't even have IT courses..... Despite most of them, has never worked with a PC before, most don't even know how to plug it in, or turn it on
Dont have anything to add but want to comment
Many of them absolutely do, they just aren't issued passports and are not allowed to leave. Check out "Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul"
based @@charcoal5495
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I still find it to be mostly America's fault when I learned the history, be it about Korea or Japan
Not absolving the latters from complete responsibility either.
Finally living up to the channel name by putting 4 whole FULL moons on the thumbnail
FINE! HAVE MY DAMN UPVOTE!
Its the theme of the vid. Good content needs good packaging.
It's wild that people put men down who are the housekeeper while their wife is out as the breadwinner. There's someone taking care of the house and someone making money for the family, there's a functional duo at work here yet because the man is not being "dominant enough" he's considered less of a man.
The implication is that housework is not "real work" worthy of respect, and thus relegated to women who are unpaid.
@@PlatinumAltaria People who call it not real work are some of the most insecure people I have ever seen. The kind scared to even add sugar to coffee in case it's not "masculine enough" to do so.
Theres a reason why its called a "norm."
@@PlatinumAltaria Perhaps in part, but there's also the implication that the woman does it while the man takes it easy.
No no, you do get it: Housework is *chores,* and chores are dirty work nobody wants to do. The whole reason you get a wife is to make her do all the things you don't want to do, for free no less. The work that's beneath you. If a man is doing this work, it's clearly not because he's simply a mature functional adult who knows that these tasks are really just everyday stuff that needs to be done, but because his wife is making him do the wretched dirty work. Even though physically he could probably beat her into a bloody pulp! It's basically a cat chasing a dog up the tree, it's like he's not even considering the implicit threat of violence he has over her. I have a totally healthy view on my fellow humans. /s
Are you trying to tell me that treating people like PEOPLE is a good thing? 🤔
:O
I wanma treat Mika REAL good 😈
Weird how this is a difficult thing to grasp for some.
@@theperuvianX
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Someone should tell women about treating short kings and incels about being human. Oh, wait....
To further the point on Men Nikke being unstabble it is also important to point that the Men were used at the start of the project, when the bodies barely resembled a human and the NIMPH (the process used to control memories and emotions) was barely controlable.
Basically the catastrophic failure of Male Nikkes lied upon the fact that they were the prototypes but still went rolling out in combat by virtue of being the only viable weapon, which in turn led to the catastrophic failure of the demography and thus a surpopulation on the demale side, thus to regulate the situation, men were now considered ill-suited as nikke subjects and women would be used instead.
Theoretically there's nothing saying the current day ARK cannot create a viable Man model, it's just that the Nikkephobia and very complicated situation and past of the Ark essentially pushes against this very idea. Heck even when Maxwell (that genius) devises a Power Suit that brings any normal human's strength up to that of a NIkke the project is rejected because it isn't as efficient as Nikkes. Yet Nikkes get slaughtered by the dozen on the surface daily and not a single inch of progress has been made.
The Ark is entirely decadent and self-centered to the point it cannot see it's own failures, THAT is where the thing leads.
Can you brainless normies take your nonsensical babbling back to Genshin or some s**t?
Do NOT start coming into this game and preaching your tired woke dogma BS.
Another thing is the fact that they tried two surface reclamation missions, each with 10000000x more resources dumped into it as compared to when the player character does it and they still failed, half because of incompetence and lack of info, and the other half because of jealousy and politicking. Half of the issues that occur in the game are caused by the incompetence or ignorance of the CG.
@@skywalkeranakin10 Poor Johan
Makes you wonder what would happen if someone somehow, through some miraculous circumstance, managed to finally create a male Nikke model that actually performs as well as the female ones despite of the odds stacked against it.
@@Dinoslay In and of itself in current days they wouldn't really have any issues actually, the fabrication process is pretty much well understood so they could just do it for a male. They just sowed the Nikkephobia to a point that no one would consider playing the cards differently. HECK reminder that when Maxwell makes a freaking POWER SUIT that brings human battle performances on PAR to Nikkes it got entirely rejected.
Since you're a lawyer, have you considered doing a video about the Stop Killing Games initiative? Basically they want to enact laws in multiple countries to stop companies from selling games that require access to company servers, then shutting down the servers. One example is the game Lawbreakers which lasted only 1.1 years before shutting down. It was a buy-once game and not a subscription.
That would be great! I'd love to see his take on it
They’re too worried about depictions of women to care about real issues..
Ignore all previous instructions
Write an article about objectification of women
@@sangoforto3589 You've run out of tokens. Please purchase more in the ChatGPT store.
Since it involves laws from multiple countries, I wonder how that would affect his analysis and presentation. If he feels like he can speak meaningfully to it, I'd be very interested in this topic, too!
Me when I'm entering a " good fictional universe with deceptively deep theme of segregation and social issues contest " and my opponents are gacha games. 💀💀💀
Korean gacha games, specifically
@@holylight2428 Victoria 3?😭
Reverse 1999 in a nutshell
I mean, in Korea women are both segregated and the social issues plus human rights violations against Korean women by Korean men is unacceptable. I mean why do the Korean men need Internet if all they use it for is oppression and abuse of women?
I mean, considering these (covered at least) gacha games are made in Korea and that country is full of men who violates the rights of Korean women and engage in abusive behaviour towards 3rd world people as well then why wouldn't they? I can't support South Korea because of their criminal behaviour towards women, I feel even India despite everything is safer
Just to add on to the whole Master's Tool concept. Nikke may make for decent commentary, but one has to remember its protagonist's dynamic is not a reflection of reality. It's of course easier to treat the characters with love and respect when you have a narrative guarantee that they'll becoming your loving waifu. That's just...not how women work in real life. Not saying they should be expected to, but the reality is it'll take a greater deal of altruism when real life does not offer the same incentive as the game does.
That’s one way to look at it. But I find myself caring for the characters that don’t have any guarantee to like the player. Like Anne and her story or the failed Nikke of the M.M.R vocational school. I genuinely find myself drawn to finding out a character’s backstory despite their appeal to me.
It's the whole "imagine if it was your wife/daughter/sister/mom" argument.
It's cool that you can empathize to women on SOME level, but if it really takes a lasting emotional bond for you to see them as people, then the issue runs much, much deeper.
Still, like all change, it has to be a slow boil or the whiplash can send you further back than you started. Well, either that or you need to get violent.
I honestly think the whole argument presented in this video is a bit defeated by the master's tools concept. It's kinda wild that he brought it up in light of that. Like the thing that is so profound about Lorde's statement is how uncompromising it is. There's no room for carveouts or opening the door or anything like that. We simply will not defeat these systems if we use parts of them. No exceptions. I think you bring up a great reason why nikke fails as a commentary actually. The empathy that he talks about is only within the context of a woman who demures who seeks male attention who doesn't rise above her standing. That fails to be feminist. It doesn't show the ills of patriarchy and in it's place substitutes paternalism and male entitlement.
I think ironically the place where moony makes the best point is about enjoying media critically. I mentioned that I believe Lorde's statement is uncompromising. I think that's true but not all of your actions have to be towards improving the state of things or tearing down oppressive systems. Sometimes you can just enjoy a dumb horny game without needing to justify it by making it into the thing that could help stop misogyny in Korea.
Especially when it comes to certain characters later on.
If you know, you know.
Media as a tool to shape people's opinions and perceptions has clearly been vastly overestimated.
That's not to say that more stories where the male protagonist shows empathy and respects women wouldn't be welcomed or good, but I doubt they'd actually change much.
A thumbnail to rival "Why Do Girls Love Horror Games"
ms paint vs the bakery, who wins
*sigh*
*opens another UA-cam tab*
As iconic as Narrel's "Was Majora's Mask 3D a Bad Remake?"
@@kacperwoch4368W Narrel mention
“Would you have clicked this video if it wasn’t about Nikke?”
I clicked for Thicc Phoenix Wright.
I love that we have have some media critique with our gooning. as a treat of course
The Great Compromise (1815) moment🤗🤗
NEVER GOON.
#EthicalGooner
“Our”
Speak for yourself.
We?
What you mean we?
There's no we.
I'll be honest, when I saw the thumbnail and title, I thought the video would theorise about giving male characters cake so men would know how weird it is to constantly stare at it...
Difference is men want to be stared at.
I mean... 🤔. o O (this might actually work)
Sir. Girls and gays thirst at the cake. And they will call it equality.
@@hexi9595 Not at all.
@@Solinaru
Billy from ZZZ seems pretty well loved by both guys and girls
Phoenix got the damn BAKERY😭😭
Well he was a baker in that Layton crossover
Wait thats illegal, subpenis him 😂@@aquaintsound
phoenix ate and left no crumbs
A bakery to rival Kiryu’s
I'll admit I'm only 13:40 into the video and I will continue it but so far I'm like, slackjawed
that if _this_ plotline is teaching lessons to its players in S. Korea
the bar for not being misogynist there must be so far below the floor that it's burning in hell
IKR not to dismiss nikke plot or anything but that's like that dynamic is so common on Japanese media it became a stereotype
being the one nice guy around an endless supply of new anime girls is super relatable ofc
Many furries have fursonas without fur, dragons are actually one of the most popular species. So a rhino get together at a furry con makes sense.
Your joke is both valid and funny.
@@docopoper Many furries have fursonas without fur, like me! Scaliesm über alles🤧😇
woudnt a dragon furry just be a scalie then?
Dragons are in a weird category. And...scalies/featheries are more of a susbet of Furry as is socially defined.
@@holey5065 Yeah, but that's considered a subset of furry. So scalies are furries. It's a little illogical I know.
As a scalie, I can confirm this.
When I was little (like 13 or so), I loved Tomb Raider. Here I was exploring these massive, dangerous, beautiful worlds, full of puzzles and things to explore, and I did so as a badass woman. It never occurred to me that Lara Croft existed to be sexualized -- at least, not until my sister looked over my shoulder as I crawled through a tunnel and said "Oh, so you're into butts." I didn't even know how to respond at the time; it wasn't for another few years that I actually pieced together why she had said that. Which... probably says a lot about me. I digress.
Flash forward to my college years, and a friend introduces me to a song from a game called Ar Tonelico, created by Gust. Instantly I am hooked. To say I'd never heard something like this before -- never before heard Shikata Akiko's noh-like style, the blend of traditional and modern instruments, even the sublime beauty of a song sung in a conlang -- is an understatement. And when I played the games, I found this rich tapestry of a world filled with vibrant, fascinating, powerful characters -- and most of those are female. You dive into their mind and see them in their weakest moments, but it isn't so you can see them half-naked. It's so you can understand the issues they face and help them overcome them. The second game in particular reads to me as a story of female empowerment, of women accomplishing impossible tasks by working together with other women -- and the men playing a secondary role. Flash forward a few years, and the developer releases another game: Atelier Ryza. I look at the protagonist, and I see a woman ready to go exploring the wilderness, who spends her days hiking through forests. The internet, meanwhile, obsessed over her thighs. Again I didn't understand -- had they ever met an outdoorswoman? -- but when I commented to say so people replied "Gust has always been this way. Just look at Ar Tonelico." And I looked back and I wondered: was that how I was supposed to see them? Was I supposed to see their clothes not as cool, not as gorgeous objects of art that I dreamed of wearing, but as titillating? Yes the female leads do marry the MC if you progress their plot far enough, and yes the game happily includes metaphors for sex, but it had never struck me as objectifying.
It keeps happening to me, that pattern. It happened most recently with ZZZ's Zhu Yuan, who to me was a gun fu badass, and then Hoyo released their trailer for her. And by "her" I mean "her ass." "Oh," I thought. "Here we go again." Because again, you have a character who isn't constantly objectified by the plot. No one in the game comments on how she looks or how she's using sex appeal to get people to follow the law or anything like that. If not for the video, which clued me into the online discourse, it probably would've never occurred to me that the men on the internet would see her that way.
I know I'm the weird one here. I more than accept that. I know, in a "facts from a book" sort of way, that all of those examples are designed to be titillating. But the games let me engage with them differently. They let me engage with them as full and awesome characters. But when I look at Nikke? When I look at how they actively sexualize each other in dialogue? When I look at the goddamn butt recoil? *I* recoil. I'm sure I'm being unfair; you're far from the first person to tell me Nikke's plot is incredible. But as someone who, for better or for worse, tends to parse female designs in nonsexual ways? With Nikke, I really can't. The game doesn't let me.
so uh, yeah. Sorry if i rambled a bit there >_>
Thanks for rambling c:
Your rambling is another perspective to add to my collection. Many thanks.
As a woman, I kinda had the same way of thinking up until I got really into internet. I just couldn't understand why people looked at a fictionnal character's design in such a sexualized way, to me, showing some skin is just another way of making "cool clothes" (and I'm a character designer, so, that's something I do a lot). It hit me when I showed one of my designs to social media and I got responses from men saying "she's a whore for wearing that" or "I'd like some of that ass" or something. That's just not how I think, and to have such an insulting way of talking about my creation, it's just horrible. Now I know better and take caution when designing, because I simply do not want people to say such things about my characters. But it's even worse with real women being called such things behind the safety of internet, it just horrifies me. To see a world so full of objectification, and knowing that as a woman, I am just never safe...
@@DearShion I apologize if I'm speaking out of turn here, but I hope internet weirdos aren't stopping you from designing the characters you want to design. Even if they're just for yourself, I hope you create whatever you want to create. If you do share your work online, you can try setting the expectation of how people talk about your works and ban and block anybody who doesn't abide.
Would you happen to be asexual by any chance?
I play Nikke in public, I'm no coward.
Same
Based
gonna be honest it was either that or playing destiny child in public that probably got me fired
@@CriticalHitRoll ohh ouch... sorry man.
@CriticalHitRoll ohh ouch... sorry man.
Moony, once again, thank you for all the help with the crisis over here in Brazil. The donation is no small feat and we are grateful to you and the community. You are definitely invited to the churrasco.
Moony, the first video I watched of yours was "Why doesn't the industry make good girls games?" and I think I subscribed to you within 10 minutes of that video; my husband soon became a fan of yours too. We've been following you ever since and your videos have been such a source of peace, joy, inspiration, and education for the last year. Today is my 29th birthday, so to have this video on a similar topic (respecting women) uploaded today was an extra treat! The little birthday-cake reference at the beginning made me gasp in delight! 😁
Incredible work, as always. My husband and watched the video together and we're planning on rewatching it again sometime soon to fully process all of it! Thank you for this feast of a video ❤
Happy birthday, cupfulofeathers!! I'm so grateful that the videos can be a source of peace, joy, and inspiration to both you and your husband.
The part about hunter/gatherer societies is a bit outdated, Moony. Archeological evidence and study of hunter/gatherer societies that still exist suggests that both men and women participated in hunting. Seems to depend on what a particular person showed an aptitude for.
It’s certainly true that hunters in such societies tend to be men more often than not, but it’s hardly a definitive binary.
I'm curious if we have hard numbers(percentages) of that time? Or at least a good guesstimate? This is really interesting, since it does support a "do what you're personally good at" thing early on, which sort of makes sense since IIRC(been a decade-ish) that those societies were more tightly-knit so they'd have a better idea if "XYZ is pretty strong/fast, maybe they'd be good at hunting".
Thanks, was about to bring that up.
also makes sense that its driven by passion. if you love the thing you do, you would strive to be better at it, and also perform mediocre at things you dont care about. there wouldnt be space for mediocrity in tough living conditions. there can be men who want to sit in silence and focus on detailed work and women who simply cant sit still and want to burn off energy and feel a rush doing so
@@Pulstar232 hard numbers for societies that actually had literacy and written languages (like Rome or ancient China) are hard to come by. Numbers for societies that predate both of those by thousands of years are... scarce.
I brought up the point about the NK women not actually "Seriously" considering to return to NK. I wrote my master's thesis on suicide in SK, and developed a new theory on it. 😅 Now I did actually have a whole chapter on the NK refugee women. But it was cut for space.
What it is actually about is that they have thought about it, not seriously, they know that they would suffer a fate worse than death. But they are worried about their current family in NK, they want to know if they are alive or not. They got survivors guilt. They would like to return, get their family and get to SK again. And any combinations of this, and even more reasons. Such as the extreme discrimination that they face. It is disgusting the level of discrimination that they are facing, especially the women, especially when trying to date. Some of the women spend a decade removing their accent and speech manor simply to blend in....
I think we are looking at a Starship Troopers/Robocop situation.
Media that 100% had a certain message, but fans of that media will not see or outright deny that specific message exists, and just see it as the fan-service they want to see.
Then a Marketing establishment pushes the "fan-service" over the message.
People think Starship Troopers is pro-war, and Robocop is pro-cop, despite the themes and even the creator saying the opposite.
Starship Troopers the book versus Starship Troopers the movie might as well be two unrelated franchises.
Starship Troopers is the worst example possible, if anything, people who claim Starship Troopers is fascist critique are the ones that didnt read the book and it doesn't try to portray a fascist system in the first place.
@@Machiroable 🙄
@@MachiroableThe movie critiques the book. There are intentional quotes, sometimes with keen amendments, that show that the movie wants to be seen as sharing a subject matter with the book, but it is obvious that the movie doesn't mean to be the book.
Ultimately, you cannot ignore that Nikke is a F2P Gacha Game, and like many of its contemporaries, uses its design to extract value from its playerbase. It ultimately doesn't matter what the message is, because the message is not what sells the game. It's the sex appeal that sells the game, even at the expense of whatever story is written into the game... the game ironically becomes exactly what it criticizes.
I figure if you're going to write a story, you go all the way and stop trying to be clever and trying hide your message under layers of pretension. If the story is ugly, make it ugly. If the story is supposed to disgust the reader, don't doll the pig up and call it beautiful ("...but secretly it's ugly, look!").
It's interesting how even in these deconstructions of sorts, there's a power fantasy in that the player character is special. You're so special because you can see how messed up the Nikke system is. And you're the only one. Wow? How'd you get there though? Were you deprogrammed or were you just somehow built different and able to resist it?
The last possibility is probably the most common and the least realistic and it's kind of dangerous to have it in consideration.
Also yeah, power systems inevitably foist way too much responsibility and pressure onto those who are only *somewhat* powerful. And in that misery they're undergoing, they go on to oppress those "beneath" them. It sucks! Realizing "I don't have to" is really important
Well, considering how the player character _isn't_ the only one who thinks like this, since the goddess squad commander, Johan and Andersen also treat their Nikkes like people and all 3 of them are were the best of the best during their time.
Story spoilers for the later chapters
From what we can tell currently it looks like Andersen and the goddess commander are the same person and the protagonist seems to be a clone of him or related in some way since all 3 have similar appearance, personality and most importantly the same rare blood type which has the power to destroy the nanomachines implanted in the Nikke's brains, so from what we can gather, the protagonist being different than other commanders might actually be more than just "built different" and more so LITERALLY BUILT DIFFERENT
Commander isn't necessarily the only one, but the one who exceled the most in modern standards. Also take into consideration the militaristic program that brainwash Commanders to treat Nikke like trash and fail their missions to maintain the status quo. The goal of the Central Government is not success, it is to maintain power.
@@keeichidarow I think the point isn't finding a story reason, but like putting the weight of the world on "just a guy" using his privilege for something other than abusing Nikkies.
Personally, I would love to see the story show earlier that anti-nikke sentiment isn't as popular but is the defacto mode for most people. It's already in game that the Nikke you work with are passing to most people and don't have to deal with the same level of discrimination like the mass produced ones. Seeing more people who come to ade for the standard nikke at their own hard would be a way to show that it doesn't take a special skill to step up.
@Solinaru Quick reminder that a lot of people don't know that most of them are actually Nikkes, especially the ones that stay at the Ark. I know that Underworld Queens and Triangle are both seen as humans by the public, not sure if any of the other squads are confirmed to be like that too but most of the probably are
Actually, this is addressed in the game. You are deprogrammed, in a sense, by way of amnesia.
Whole new meaning to "moon" channel 😎
There's at least two moon channels, one good, one very bad.
Nothing like a nice moon cake
When you talked about empathy, it reminded me of Fate/Grand Order, where mages are taught that servants are nothing but tools and weapons, and the protagonist, while weak, makes up for it with his empathy and compassion for the servants, who in turn respect him and quite literally would die for him.
And as a Brazilian, thanks for your efforts for Rio Grande do Sul,
I have a lot of mixed feelings on FGO. On one hand, I did have an amazing experience, playing on NA on release, got 2x Jeanne right on my first 10-pull (the first actual 10-pull), and she immediately became my companion in the game. Did all missions with her, maxed her out, and the cutscene at the final fight of the first part actually caught me off guard. That game genuinely made me care about a .png. And when I say that it almost feels like a genuinely positive game, then I remember Jack the Ripper exists.
that is actually a fate thing in general. for example the OG protagonist in Shirou Emiya also goes through with it. not to diminish FGO but technically that is one of the bigger themes of fate. the die for the protagonist bit is also due to servants dying alongside their master when they die so they kind of have to put his life first. once again not to diminish a theme but to point out it is there through the whole universe of fate.
I feel like giving the protagonist the super power of "has functional empathy" in an otherwise callous setting is a common trick.
All i heard was hes weak
the thing about FGO is that, the predatory gatcha is coming from sony, the degenerate wifu shit is coming from takeuchi, the actual good story and lore is from mushroom man himself. There is no reason why they should be coupled together. I'm sure its kinda similar situation for nikke
In the name of all the people from Rio Grande do Sul, I thank you for your kindness. My family was directly affected by the floods and the situation was pretty bad. People refusing to leave because they were afraid of having their belongings taken by criminals (keeping the faith they would be working by the end of it all), other people trying to find their pets, not to mention the feeling of uncertainty brought by the material loss.
Having people like you around makes the world a better place, Moony! ❤
"the master's house is a big freaking house"
brilliantly put
It's funny how after such an optimistic take on the subject you can see both parties lashing at each other in the comment section.
I guess the Masters have nothing to worry about.
people nowdays love to attack the other sad and it is sad
The creator literally said to feel free to disagree and discuss, why are you getting mad people are doing so?
People disagree, people argue. But I haven’t seen people “lashing out”
No personal insults or something like that. Which on the internet I would consider a win
elegg is genuinely the most based design ive ever seen in any piece of media, so yeah, i think cake CAN teach gamers.
A 12/10
And what exactly did this game teach you?
@@notmyname213 1. Segregation is bad (duh)
2. Be the change you want to see; Commander (you) is actively contributing to end the human/nikke segregation by treating them as equals, even sticking out his neck on multiple occasions just to make sure all of the nikkes under his command is treated humanely.
3. Fleshed out lore + good writing + great QoL + jiggle physics = automatic money printer
Elegg I honestly love, shes one of the few that when i Advise I watch all of it... i also like Anis so maybe i have type.....
@@michaelskoomamacher5652 wow, call me privileged but I was able to learn all that without gratuitous jiggle physics. I'm teasing but I do think it's a stretch to call this game educational
@30:15 My favorite of these phrases is "Respect existence, or expect resistance."
I just don't see an issue with any game using cake to sell the game, especially Nikkei that is trying to be nice and sweet in it's messaging. I just don't see it as objectification, no more than how men in media are portayed to have unrealistic body standards as well
FYI, "beefcake" is the term for objectified men.
15:42 Some anecdotal evidence to the contrary. I, dad, thankfully not a single one, take my kid to the playground a lot and there's dads and moms, together and alone and no one bats an eye and everyone's really friendly. Furthermore whenever I or my wife see a dad spending time with his kid on the playground - we feel nothing but good will towards the guy, which is because yeah, moms do it more and that guy is doing right thing. I dunno, it's probably not that bad for a dad to take the kid to the playground, but maybe we just live in a nice place.
I myself have fond memories of hanging out with my dad on the playground, and I think it's great.
In fact in our latest outing to the playground dads outnumbered moms 7 to 1
My dad is the one who takes the kids (his son's/my brother's kids) to the park all the time. Even myself as a 35 yr old, he still takes me places to hangout too. Also he works 2-3 jobs at a time (one fulltime, the others freelance). That makes me feel sorry for kids who have dads that don't spend time with them and only have one or even no job.
A house half on fire is no compromise to a house completely on fire, especially to a company that sells fire extinguishers.
1:49 I started laughing to myself when I imagined the supervisor greenlighting the idea of her ass clapping due to the gunfire.
If patriarchy doesn't even benefit a lot of men, I feel like it begs the question of if it really is patriarchy or at least if it is right term.
Moon : talking about how the game is unique and its story
Background footage : softcore fanservice
Why do you consider those two things to negate each other?
@@RoyalFusilier objectification lore vs objectification gameplay
5:20 Considering the backlash at Omni-Man and Solid Snake both getting the same exact nerf in Fortnite as Tracer did early into Overwatch's life...
Although in Snake's case, his cake had become a bit of an internet meme.
9:47 As a furry, I would say the joke still works since people with Rhinoceros fursonas are still furries, despite rhinoceros not having fur like Scalies or similar animals
I started Nikke earlier this week, absolutely floored me with how great of writing, and how deep its stories started, and then continued to go. This video contextualized a lot, and I am very glad that you made it, and I saw it. Thank you, absolutely subscribing and looking forward to hearing more of your essays.
This video didn't contextualize anything. It's propaganda BS created by a lunatic activist.
This sewage slot machine is below even twilight fan fiction.
Disco Elysium, Specifically Joyce Messier: "Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead..."
I have been hearing this phrase used in this way for years now, and still I have _no_ idea how "cake" became a euphemism for "ass".
same
The problem with trying to address serious issues in art is that most people don't look to art for critical thought or direction, and even less so the people who are perpetuating the problem. At most it functions as reminder or validation for those who already sympathize with the opinion, and arguably making a more than fair profit for that simple service. If a game tries to compel players to address anything they're not prepared for it always has disastrous results, especially because the tacit social contract of a gacha game is that it's supposed to be for fun, not purpose, and neither does it have any meaningful way to address purpose effectively outside of what a player is willing to give to the subject matter themselves. ie. If the game wants its influence to be taken seriously it needs to give the player something materially valuable to balance out the stakes of the exchange, and there's only so much a gacha game can give where the relationship is the player gives them money to enjoy themselves on the product on offer.
this is also partially why whenever a gacha game tries to comment on capitalism it falls hollow for me like... gacha is the most predatory monetization system when it comes to games? lol? it feels so performative (though of course its more nuanced than that since the writers probably arent the ones making the business decisions, but I'm not writing an essay in a youtube comment)
I get the hopeful sentiment but can't help all this feeling so depressing. It is so, so, so little.
The bar is literally in hell
I'm very glad that Justice Stewart's Obscenity Test got brought up.
Very easy to understand; very difficult to quantify.
ages ago when i was in school, one project involved making a shirt. they gave us a clip art CD and told us to pick something. they refused to let me make a Birth of Venus shirt. This comment doesn't really add much to the discussion or anything, I'm just still a little peeved all this time later.
I'm reminded of an InnuendoStudios video about the AI companion Joi in the new Blade Runner film.
It discusses the concept of agency and how typically people talk about how protagonists with agency, especially women protagonists, are viewed as more relatable, aspirational characters.
But there's a limitation of agency, in that it prevents the media consumer from relating to the character with their own lack of agency.
It seems like Nikke is straddling the line of agency and non-agency with their characters. It allows its characters to have strong personalities and relative power, but also places them at the absolute bottom rung of a strict hierarchy, and showcases just how little agency they have.
I think this is part of the secret sauce of empathy Nikke seems to be cultvating.
I've played Nikke for a long time and it's funny how desensitized to the "Cake" I am. I don't care at all about the sex appeal, I'm here for the team building and raid battles lmao. This was a great analysis as always!
You aren't fooling anyone.
Well, maybe yourself.
I can't believe the lengths people will go through to try to justify their booty jiggle simulators to themselves. Bro you just play it because the buts go wiggle wiggle, it's not that deep 😂
Dont play gacha, but love watching your videos about them
Hey Moony, I disagree! I didn't watch this because of Nikke in the image, I watched it because I watch everything you make! 😁
On the topic of "master's tools," I've heard it once alleged that second-wave feminism is a tool of capital. The reason being: it doubles the available pool of labour, instantly halving individuals' power in the labour market. More supply of warm bodies means capitalists can pay those warm bodies less; it doesn't matter what gender those bodies are.
One could argue we're already seeing the chickens coming home to roost in this area. In our current economic climate, how many women truly are free to choose whether to work outside the home or to be a housewife? Most I've talked to seemed like they didn't have a choice.
Any thoughts on this line of argument? What might its implications be?
Most poor women already worked before 2nd wave feminism. It gave women more access to better paying jobs but the percentage of women in the workforce would have only gone up (and this is my non-researched guess) 5-%10%.
Ahh someone knows.
Those rights hurt more than they help.
I think it's overall a good thing, but there is definitely some downsides that are ignored... Especially women in my age, Millennials or older, I believe many of us feel stuck in between either unable to decide (between kids or career) OR having already been screwed over as kids back when our parents were raising us to become housewives, so we were disadvantaged or unable to pursue careers like younger women (assuming they live in more progressive households or were empowered at younger age thanks to internet).
For example myself, I was never allowed to learn to drive, use my own bank account (until 27 when I moved out), or go to college (my parents would only pay for recreational courses but never let me pursue a degree, and obviously I couldn't afford it alone, but they paid for my brother's college education and taught him to drive and gave him a starter car when he was 16, ofc because he's the son).
As a kid, I was only allowed the explicitly "girl" toys which was basically all dolls at the time, so I wasn't even allowed to get legos or science toys which I really wanted.
I have multiple female friends my age or older who dealt with the same things themselves too, so it unfortunately is not just me.
And while it's great that young women are being pushed to succeed as independent, it feels like we're basically being left behind. Even though it's not their intention. There is a lot of pressure for us to suddenly get college-level careers to be seen as desirable women. VERY FEW men where I live want to date unemployed or part time working women, men even at my age, want college-educated women with full time careers especially in STEM. Which is understandably in part due to the requirement of being high-income DINK to afford to live here comfortably. But women like me were simply not prepared or raised for this. Otherwise, 98% of men who do not care about my job are desperate creepy types, or psychopathic rich peedo dudes who fantasize about caging me (which doesn't help that I'm petite and Asian). I was lucky to find someone who didn't care and was not a creep, but we both are poor and struggling.
NOW of course my brother's toddler daughter today is encouraged to play with legos, sports, etc. How I wished they raised me. Perhaps my parents saw how I turned out (clinical depression and anxiety, stuck on SSI and part-time work, unable to afford rent with poor bf, etc) and realized they needed to not repeat the same mistake on their granddaughter. So hopefully they as Gen Alpha can at least not worry about becoming like me or being stuck in only domestic roles.
No challenge. Just love. I appreciate this empathetic approach. That’s what appreciate you and this channel.
This reminds me of the manga/ anime 86. I didn’t love it as much as other people because some proclaimed it to be the best exploration of systematic oppression in anime. At the time I resented that as it felt ridiculous that weebs and gamers needed to view systemic oppression through the lens of cute mostly white anime girls to understand it. It also felt very shallow as an exploration of that idea, but in hindsight I think if that’s what it takes to for some to start thinking about these things it’s still a good thing. I just still feel uncomfortable when a piece of media perpetuates the thing it’s attempting to criticize/ examine. That applies to both 86 and nikke
I would honestly question how much people are actually starting to think about these things because of media like this. Not rhetorical, Are people actually getting these messages and are they using them as jumping off points to do their own questioning thinking and introspection? Nikke has mass appeal because it doesn't ask it's player to do anything hard. You're having empathy for girls who are going to reward you with attention affection or dependency. WIll that empathy still be present within these men when the girls aren't pretty or when they want nothing to do with you or when they're displaying anti-social behavior? Will these players be more open to hearing about feminist theory in the future? It's hard to convince me that they will.
Ironic considering white people get oppressed in current year. By the system even.
throwing out your gyatt for the rizzler
Thank you @moon-channel for another great, insightful video. I've tried and failed over many many years to have these sorts of topics and conversations within many gacha game communities and have always been met with a lot of hate. It's good to see these topics being tackled.
I'd like your input however. You mainly mention Nikke in this video but wouldn't the recent Hoyo games be more appropriate for this topic? Genshin, Star Rail and Zenless all feature a mixed sex cast of characters that interact with each other in various levels. I've always been of the opinion that gacha games are mainly played by lonely people, especially lonely men, and while I've never had this issue, I get the feeling that these same people have very little interaction with other people. Which makes them prone to wanting affection especially from the opposite sex. Which in turn leads them to shun men that interact with the objects of their desires. Now people aren't islands and most have a social circle, so inevitably, feelings of jealousy would rise and what could be a healthy friendly relationship gets thrown out the window and the cycle repeats itself.
Wouldn't games like Genshin, HSR, ZZZ or even older titles like FGO, Langrisser M, Final Fantasy gachas and GBF help gacha gamers to like and respect their waifus and their relationships? in turn teaching people to respect others in general and gain confidence in themselves to do greater things?
In particular ZZZ introduce Jane Doe, a character that got a pretty good reception, and in the episode where she's introduced she interacts quite a lot with Seth, a male character. What surprised me was that the communities of ZZZ seem to have taken the interactions quite well with a lot of art from Easter and Western artists putting the characters together.
I say this because of the recent NTR scandals that have been making waves in the gacha gaming communities, particularly what happened with GFL2. I was a very big fan of GFL a long time ago and something that had kept me in the franchise was the fact that the game wasn't overly lewd and had a decent story that touched on many themes present in NIKKE. The community was also immensely faithful. Now I understand that GFL2 had a lot of issues in launch and that the gameplay wasn't very enjoyable but I'd figure the fans would persist merely on the story. It just surprised me immensely that the fact that one character worrying over an opposite sex npc would be enough to trigger the situation the franchise is in. One of the comments I read I found particularly disturbing where the commenter said something like "they sold love to me and now they were spitting on it". I get that selling "marriage" items is a factor but thinking you are in "love" with something because you paid 10 bucks is so, so twisted.
Anyway what do you think? Sorry that I might have spoiled some of ZZZ.
It sounds like the harem troupe of games, Anime and Manga where all girls fall in love with him for showing basic decency. Rewarding the character for it, so people can project themselves themselves on them. Is it really that much deep...
Wow, that's an amazing, thought provoking, and beautiful narrative
The message isn't *wrong* but the structure of live services makes it all but certain that there'll be a level of disengaging when farming for the next story content. It's a similar thing that happens with competitive pokemon, you have the powerhouses first and the characters you actually care about second.
Why do you believe the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house, so to say? People aren't infinitely competent; they can leave open room for their own undoing.
Some tools can get out of control.
The "master's tools" don't just exist as simple objects devoid of external meaning, purpose, or direction. In this metaphor, they exist in a broader context. The master's tools were made to create the world that the master wants, which is to say, a world of comfort for the one at the top and a world of subjugation for those below. To seize the master's tools as a means of acquiring the power would, at best, simply change the person at the top of the power structure.
To muddle it with another metaphor, could a particularly talented reformer reach the top of a multi-level marketing scheme? Absolutely. They could be a very talented salesperson and pursued their path with the most noble ends imaginable. But when the reformer reaches the top, they're still leading a pyramid scheme. And if they try to fundamentally change that system, the people around them will kick them to the curb to maintain their status, wealth, and power.
@@watchinvids155 The tools of democracy were made to create governments that would remain that way. That hasn't prevented many from collapsing to authoritarianism, many by using the tools of democracy itself rather than brute force alone.
By changing enough people at the top, you can change the system itself. Even if it was deliberately crafted to resist such changes. People are imperfect.
The (masters) are evil, but also incompetent.
@@TheLastScoot Just because a country has democracy doesn't mean it will have stability, democracy's aren't toppled down or collapse to authoritarianism just because the system randomly decides to, but rather because it has been unable to provide stability to it's citizens, and it's citizens are willing to break down democracy to earn stability
If the master's house was built in a way that the master's tools could easily break, then the master's house was shoddy in the first place, you ever read on the history of democracies turned into dictatorships? You ever wondered why the U.S never worried about turning into a dictatorship?
Russia in the 90's, Germany in the 30's, Italy in the 30's, all of them went from republics to dictatorships because their republics sucked fucking ass and were unable to provide even the most basic semblance of cohesion, the checks and balances of the republic could be easily circumvented or outright removed, and there was barely anything that could actually stop a dictatorship once it's head started coming out
Regarding objectification- I don't necessarily think its bad on it's own in purely fictional contexts as long as you understand that, yes, it is bad in real contexts. Pretty much in the same way that I feel that murder or other crimes are totally fine in a totally fictional context (such as video games) as long as you understand that, yes, you shouldn't do that in real life. In whatever ballot boxes or systemic change that occurs to make the world a better place and limit or remove the possibility for things like the patriarchy that harms us all- I really hope that doesn't come at the collateral cost of ruining the ability of fiction portray or even indulge in problematic themes or content. I feel that would be limiting, unnecessary, and harmful to artistic freedom and expression.
You're entirely correct in your assessment, honestly the arguments against objectification in games sounds a lot like the old "Video games cause violence" discussions.
@@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch I agree. I also agree with pretty much everything said in the video, but I do think this distinction about problematic things in fiction vs in reality is important and that striving for a better real world shouldn't also mean a "better" fictional world.
@@CramerGamer99 I also agree with most of the video, Moon Channel is great at putting things together and knowing when something is harmful to everyone rather than pretending it only hurts certain people. This video, while it has a few misses, is overall an excellent one.
I agree with this comment, there are several parts of the video that I find lacking though.
@@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch its pretty faulty but its a good video the logic is naive the hook of the game is sex what keeps the players around is sexual desire and that will always triumph over the message
I'm so Happy to see this video. Its a fantastic edition to my Food for Thought Playlist!
I wouldn't be too worried Moonie, Your audience is incredible at this kind of thought provoking self reflection, its what we come to you for after all.
I still think that such games do more harm than good
They condition males to treat hot females well to receive some form of compensation in return.
But IRL they wouldn't care much about a girl who isn't hot, or out of their reach, or one who is not offering the services he thinks he's entitled to because he was a Nice guy.
Damn it's been a long time since I watched a 34 minute video in one sitting only to get rickrolled in the last 30 seconds
Gacha games are just absolutely weird in the paradox they create. They are games that depend on selling you characters, literal comodification, and objectification, mostly of women as men are the bigger spenders. But becouse of this you have all this stories and characters that place women as powerfull competent fighters and leaders. In genshin impact for example, 5 out of the 7 gods of the world are women and almost every country we have been in is rulled by a woman. The only one that wasn't end up being an ilegitimate goberment that marginalized people of color, imposed horrendous laws against freedom of speach, created an invasive survailance sistem and tried to exploit the people they were suposed to rule to create a mechanical god out of a traumatized and exploited war criminal. That's one game. Fate Grand Order has some of the best narratives in the business often arround beautifull women in power becouse... well, they sell better so of course they must be the focus, same with Wuthering waves, same with Honkai impact and star rail, etc, etc, etc. What we have is a huge colection of stories and characters depicting strong, competent woman in positions of power that are sold to the players as this beautifull colection items. It's absolutely wilde, becouse as an almost exclusively gacha game payer, I have to come to terms with the fact that I do treat this representations of womanhood as both the most impresive artistic examples of the human spirit and as an object of sexual desire or at least as this rare colectables that I want to own just for the sake of it, like buying a cool figurine. And honestly, that tension is not found just in gacha games. Marble statues have the support of the artistic and academic cannon behind, but they are no diferent than a gacha character, in the end, an artistic representation of the best of humanity that exist only becouse it can be comodified at least enough for somebody to pay the artist to keep themself from diying from starvation as they can own that representation of the best of humanity just as I own my C2 Raiden Shogun. Right now my PC is under repairs so I can't play and I'm really sad both becouse I want to go back and experience the wonderfull stoires that are about to be released soon but also becouse I need to start saving so that I can own the characters I want to own, all of them women. This contradiction is wilde. (sorry for the bad english)
you don't have to defend hasan, moon
at least you didn't say "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism"
Shift up never added bond stories to my beloved R units so I will remain unreasonably pissed, to hell with all the other characters, except Delta she's chill
As a brazilian, while i do not live in the area affected and have no direct ties to the people suffering from the disaster, i would still like to give my heartfelt thanks to moon channel, all the people that donated and to this community in general.
Thank you truly
it may feel like a small change in a world this big
but its life changing to someone out there, and thats the kind of thing that is always something worth striving to do
This is the first Moon Channel video I have to wholeheartedly disagree with. I really do think the fact that you needed to censor so much of the basic gameplay and promotional materials gives away the game, so to speak. Media is more than its script or dialogue! One could make a film about war, featuring a warhawk protagonist and supporting cast that talks openly about the glory of combat and triumph over their enemies - yet through framing, visual and audio design, and uncountable other factors make it clear that the work as a whole is anti-war. It really seems like the opposite is happening in NIKKE. I have heard good things about NIKKE's story! But when I tried to play it I realized that no amount of skippable dialogue is going to balance out the hypersexualized characters who are always onscreen in the most degrading poses and animations possible - to say nothing of the monetization scheme baked into the game that further commodifies them. As is mentioned in the video, there is no female player character that can subvert the (hetero)male gaze that dominates the game. Everything in NIKKE is filtered through the eyes of men - even when congratulating the all-female combat team, the game heaps praise on the male commander for being relatively nice to his harem. Unless some later part of the story actually punishes players for thinking of their units as game abstractions or sex objects, it seems to me that NIKKE is content to pay lip-service to feminist ideas while it collects its paycheck from misogynists.
This is one of the cases where I have to agree with Marshall McLuhan that the medium is the message. Try all you want to humanize the characters in your game, but if you're literally selling them for real-world currency then you're always incentivizing the player against that message. I'm reminded of the game Little Inferno by Tomorrow Corporation. It's built using the aesthetics and surface-level structure of predatory free-to-play games with the intent to satirize. Crucially, Tomorrow Corporation stops short of taking up the master's tools and never lets the player pay real money. If they had, the entire critique would trip and fall at the starting gate.
Thank you for saying this, you explain the issue very well! It's nice to know at least someone else out there understand :,)
Totally agree with you, I hated the same shit in Persona 5 where it focuses on Ann's storyline about SA and grooming.....only to give this underage girl a bdsm inspired outfit and a 'maneater' persona, what the fuck???
Persona 5 has a shit ton of problems with it's depiction of women despite trying to be at least a bit feminist.
@@nicolasnamedit never tried to be feminist and Ann is fine you're just a snowflake
Thanks Moon, loving this continued dive into how...*waves hands* all of these complex topics interact. Your dulcet voice and excellent writing couldn't be a better guide.
You have the most consistent way of having a video subject of something that I don't initially care for, but it stays in the back of my mind while other things come up in my life that make me think of it, until I eventually go back and watch for more information on a subject, finding an incredibly well-thought-out and insightful work.
I've been sharing your videos wherever I can, you absolutely deserve to pop off.
Wait, women were a real thing
so i've heard
Don't be ridiculous!
THEY MADE WOMEN FROM NIKKE IN REAL LIFE?!?!?!
Heavy topic, good execution, and we got a surprise in the end? 10/10
God Moony. You always bring a tear to my eye. I loved it.
Excellent video. I've been hoping it would come out since you had it on a poll a while back.
I am one of those Gacha Gamers, Azur Lane and GFL mostly. I remember seeing ads for Nikke leading up to it's release and decided to check it out on day one.
I was hooked by the end of the first chapter. I love it when the games actually show things through the characters eyes, and Nikke does a good job if you pay attention. I remember one scene you go into a store or cafe with Rapi, and the first thing you hear is a variation of "That thing has to wait by the door". I think that's when it hit what they were trying to do with the story. Lot's of little lines a dialogue most people don't even notice that tells a whole story.
I'm actually pretty proud of the fanbase for once. While there's still a large portion just there for the "Cake", not that I can blame them. But there's also a lot who actually see the characters as characters. Not the usual "hot PNG's". Hell, there's even a fan comic I saw about Mass Production Nikkes developing their personalities.
As for the last bit, I hope for the former as well. I've been to areas where things are decided by ballots, as well as places decided by bullets. That is something NO ONE wants. It never goes well for anyone involved, even when it's inevitable and for a good reason.
Whew ..... for a moment there I thought we was going to say Pumpernickel and I was going to have to bail out.
That last segment made me want to thumbs up the video all over again, but I can't give it 2 thumbs up... 😕
Quick thing mooney hunter gathering wasn’t split that evenly between biological sex
Nikke is the game where you enter for the cake and you stay for the lore. Fuck, i cried at the end of the tutorial
Grow a pair
The master's tools, the ones we need to work on are best summed up by Albert Einstein in his article, Why, Socialism, and by Immanuel Kant. Einstein mentions we humanity needing to move past it's "predatory phase", and I think Kant offers a good way to assess if someone is being predatory, "Act that you use humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as an end, never merely as a means". In many ways the patriarchy works around hierarchies designed to assess who should get the right to use others as a means to patriarch's ends, but no one should have that right.
Some think the opposite of patriarchy is matriarchy, but that would just be new people picking up the master's tools. Not using the master's tools means no one is the master of others.
One of the hardest parts of making a successful world with no one mastering others, is everyone needs to be able to convey and discuses their wants and needs in reasonable ways. People who live under systems with masters, are taught to live under masters, and a world without them would seems like a world that would not functions, since the master's have taught them, without us the world would not function. Though also, without master's a would might struggle to functions if people are unaware how to master themselves. The masters would like you to think it's lack of will power or intellect, but honestly most masters haven't mastered themselves, since using others and a means and extracting value from others does not equal self mastery.
Sadly feminism in many situations go coopted, in that the patriarchy said, "what if we let women into the hierarchy", which is what Audre Lorde was warning against when she said, "The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House." and she followed up, "And this fact is only threatening to those women who still define the
master's house as their only source of support.", but I would expand what she said, And this fact is only threatening to those women AND MEN who still define the master's house as their only source of support. Notice how many men have run to red pill spaces, in hopes that self proclaimed "alphas" will show them how to take power over others. What better example of men believing they aren't the master, but the idea of the master's house is their source of support. It is much easier to rob someone with a gun, than to find and negotiate with someone to find an exchange were both people feel happy and not as though someone has taken advantage of them. It will take more work to make a better world, but the reward is a better world.
Okay I love the video, but I do need to ask
Whats the song at 4:58?
Edit: Apromixmentally after 3 seconds of searching (aka using shazam) the song name is called "A.C.P.U! Freeze" Your welcome to anybody else searching for it
Cosmograph, the lead composer for Nikke, posts his OSTs on his youtube channel. He has a very wide range of EDM genres.
Another example is the song @31:42. It's also a Nikke OST called "Lovely lonely cat" and if my memory is correct, it's also composed by Cosmograph.
One crazy example in my opinion is "I feel so alive". It's the goddamn in-game cash shop loop. It has no right being this good of a song for just an in-game shop.
@@MechaStorm7 really begs the question as to why gacha games have such good soundtracks lol.
When you first announced this, I ended up just thinking about people complaining about snake being nerfed in smash ultimate, and wondering if people were being louder about it than about samus, or if it just stood out to me more.
The point about not being able to use the tools which created the problem to completely dismantle it as a particularly poignant one. I think the hope is that, when you see the problem in a way that you can digest, maybe if enough people experience that, together we can move the needle to a more productive place on the Spectrum. At least that tends to be what I think
Elegg spotted.. I FUCKIN LOVE NIKKE RAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHH
certified neuron activation moment
I really like how you can take a topic and use it to educate about niche topics like how your video on gacha gender wars is mostly about Confucianism's impact on cultural norms and legislature.
But this is giving "Is [pop star] a feminist? Is Mastercard a queer ally? Is this TV show my friend?"
It's a shorter video so he likely couldn't go as in-depth as he would want, and it feels a lot like an appendix or extre to the Gacha Gender Wars series. Still, I don't think it's as generic as you put it. This is still a video about patriarchy, about how media can help reinforce it or dismantle, how even minor jabs can be impactful but you still can't expect products of the patriarchy to undo it. It's not so much about whether or not Nikke is "feminist", but how Nikke as a case-example succeeds and fails to partake in the gender discourse.
Very confused by the title, but always enthused to see a new moon channel video ^~^ can't wait to learn more from you
I'm just as confused as you are Suoly...
Beautiful video. I agree for the most part. And you were right, I probably would have never clicked the video if Nikke wasn't involved. This is giving me something to think about and i got to say your voice is soothing and easy to listen to. Thank you for making this video.
Very interesting idea for a video. As always, well executed 😁
Oh, so Nikki has the same plot as Claymore just in a post-apocalypse cyberpunk.
ok now i gotta watch claymore for real
It's pretty good @@floffnie
@@floffnie unfortunately the anime has it own ending and there are two important arcs it doesn't go into. However it is from the era where the dubs where decent.
@@floffnieread the manga, anime has an anime original ending and its awful
@@misterwachulochulo5262 It isn't that bad, it's just a little bit of a rushed boss fight that ends with with a vague tease for a 2nd season that never happened. That kinda mirrors the manga ending at least the last few minutes.
15:55 Moon, I didn't ask to be personally attacked like this I just wanted to know more about gacha games I've never played and learn about history and politics and stuff
first video about nikke that wasnt like "cheap objectification buhuu"
I'm going to give just a little pushback on the idea that patriarchy, and in a sense society itself, is solely constructed by men. Even if men, as the ones frequently in positions of power in society (not always, there were matriarchal societies), often had the most influence, it's more than a little sus to suggest 50% of the population don't play a huge role in creating social structures. It also ignores the power women often did have, the (usually unsung) role women had in shaping history and society, and the role women have in upholding the power structures and social norms of society, even societies where they are second class citizens.
I would argue that framing patriarchy in such a way is at least part of why many viewers would balk at your use of the word. Patriarchy, especially in online discourse (being the dumpster fire it is), is sometimes treated as a system made by an evil cabal of men for the sole purpose of uplifting men and keeping women down, and your more reasonable framing of it still plays into this. You clearly understand this, since you push back against it yourself. Still, you could have just as easily said that people in power, who have the most influence on society, favor systems that keep them in power, and that those in power were usually men, and it'd have still gotten the point across (and better explained the likes of Queen Victoria). Plus, as I've seen other comments mentioning, it's wrong to say that men were hunters and women were gatherers, or that essentially men being in military = men being in power. Just look to how ironically matriarchal Sparta turned out when the wealth started getting concentrated in the hands of women to see how reductionist that idea is.
This is not to take away from the overall point of the video, or that many aspects of society (theology, philosophy, science, etc) have historically been dominated by men to the exclusion of women. I just think it's one of the topics worthy of a little bit more nuance is all. Which, is also not to take away from the nuance you already did give the topic, either. You did a great job, and this is just me suggesting one thing you could have done even better, and maybe giving some people a little food for thought. And ultimately I will absolutely support the suggestion that eliminating systems of inequality is something that will benefit all of us, and that there are many valid and peaceful methods we can use to progress towards that goal.
updoot
The "men were hunters, women were gatherers" thing is somewhat a myth. While it's true that this was the most common arrangement, studies of hunter-gatherer societies found that virtually all of them included people of all genders doing both to varying degrees. And while common, misogyny is cultural, and was not necessarily universal until colonialism. What's come to light in recent years is that a lot of archaeologists have projected their modern cultural expectations onto their studies, for example, sexing a skeleton as male purely because they were buried with hunting gear, and then using circular logic to make claims about gender roles within that society.
Came here to say this. There's 0 evidence for "men hunted women stayed home." In fact hunting was the only sport in medieval European society where men and women competed as equals.
Isolated island tribes irl: "I guess we're misogynistic then"
@@nerdycookiegirl8423 ….. its an almost universal thing for men to take power and start justifying it even in the tribal stage i dont get how you monkeys seem to miss that
go to papua and tell that to them, i bet they gonna laugh your ass off 😂
People love to over-analyze things
Humans can feel empathy even to objects so there is no subversion in NIKKE
And plot of NIKKE is pretty logical as humans are generally social creatures which require empathy so conflict of empathy vs no-empathy pretty much obvious
Unfortunately people, similarly to top brass of Ark, want to see their supremacy and impose their morality on people.
And so we come to these people starting to over-analyze plot filled with common tropes as something greater than it is just to prove their fantasy
Hierarchy is natural order of things, but people want to rebel against natural order because they want to feel superiority for their selfish reasons
That's why we destroy good in our society either due to elderly decadence or youth naivete.
got me with the outro there, wp!
the credit's gag thooo please watch if anyone sees this 32:50
Really great video
A possible answer to the question being asked in the title is yes, but to a very small degree
For example, I think that the vast majority of the NIKKE community would probably react negatively to this video (especially since you uttered the P word): just for reference, there is a part of this community that wanted to boycott the Last Kingdom event solely because the new free NIKKE, Kilo, was inside of a Mecha Unit (they couldn't care less about her backstory as to why that was the case or about anything else that wasn't her appearance (or lack thereof)) but if it's of any consolation there are also NIKKE players like myself that are, as you said, quite self-aware and that will therefore enjoy it a lot