Can Cake Teach Gamers to Respect Women?

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  • @moon-channel
    @moon-channel  Місяць тому +183

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    • @Lifeismeaningless175
      @Lifeismeaningless175 Місяць тому +1

      Code didn't work for me

    • @Rainos62
      @Rainos62 Місяць тому +5

      I think if you stop objectifying women then you also have to stop objectifying men because then your just committing to the same problem. I think while you should respect women doesnt mean objectification is bad. objectification is only bad when the subjects are treated poorly and many people who have been objectified have done great things in the world.
      at this point i feel patriarchy has become an all encompassing term and has completely lost its meaning anything bad a man does is now patriarchy but thats the problem not everything is patriarchy. I think koreas problem is caused by both sides. like in the US where women use the idea of patriarchy to beat down anything to do with men where i think you are absolutely correct is we need to work on compromise because its killing us

    • @astreinerboi
      @astreinerboi Місяць тому +17

      @@Rainos62 Your concerns are addressed in the section of the video at 15:37

    • @moon-channel
      @moon-channel  Місяць тому +24

      @@Lifeismeaningless175 I checked in, and it seems that the code has to be used in the in-game menu, where it says "Game Code", as opposed to the invitational code when you first start the game. Try that, and see if it works a bit better!

    • @Gaawachan
      @Gaawachan Місяць тому +19

      Moon Channel, I want to point out to you that the hunter gatherer theory is being debunked. Anthropologists have found more and more evidence over the years that women also hunted and men also farmed, but it didn't fit the cultural narrative that people find easy to follow. You should look it up sometime, it's interesting.

  • @BobberWCC
    @BobberWCC Місяць тому +3073

    Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make this thumbnail. I was told it would involve cake, so I made sure our lawyer had some evidence in his back pocket.

    • @riotking77
      @riotking77 Місяць тому

      He is wonderful thicc

    • @ordinaryoreo8297
      @ordinaryoreo8297 Місяць тому +73

      I love the thumbnail great work!

    • @IceBreak23
      @IceBreak23 Місяць тому +40

      nice cake indeed

    • @Solinaru
      @Solinaru Місяць тому +60

      Some evidence and a case brief or two

    • @hamdepaf6686
      @hamdepaf6686 Місяць тому +52

      Typical Phoenix Wright, when investigating cakes, he pockets the whole cake factory to be used as evidence.

  • @GodofGrunts
    @GodofGrunts Місяць тому +2370

    >Would you have watched this video if it didn't have Nikka in it?
    Brother I didn't even know what this game was when I clicked.

    • @Sathornetfire
      @Sathornetfire Місяць тому +37

      lol same

    • @LiteraryCurtastrophe
      @LiteraryCurtastrophe Місяць тому +100

      Also same. But as usual, Moon knocked it out of the park (also as usual)

    • @mao4434
      @mao4434 Місяць тому +71

      I do know nikke, but it bores me to death, only reason i watched it's cuz moon is cool

    • @JohnDBlue
      @JohnDBlue Місяць тому +19

      I knew OF it, but I only knew it as "a gacha game among others"

    • @GamesAndAnimes
      @GamesAndAnimes Місяць тому +2

      Same and wonder why pastries help to respect women. 🤪

  • @saxmanmel
    @saxmanmel Місяць тому +718

    I'm a stay-at-home dad and the section at 16:00 hit hard. It's as though I have to constantly prove my worth, that I do have value. I'm not lazy, nor am I some creepy guy at that park. I'm simply a father.

    • @ggwp638BC
      @ggwp638BC Місяць тому +105

      It's unfortunate that we never had a proper male movement in alliance with feminism to break down these social roles for the men's side. Even though feminism is not gender exclusive, they do have more immediate issues. As a result, while women actually made a lot of progress, men are stuck, and increasingly feeling attacked by both sides.

    • @DontKnowDontCare6.9
      @DontKnowDontCare6.9 Місяць тому +3

      Why would you give a flying f___ to what people think? Unless youre thinking of doing it.

    • @LilPale
      @LilPale Місяць тому +50

      @@DontKnowDontCare6.9 You simply notice it, what about it?

    • @zygimantassilobritas6034
      @zygimantassilobritas6034 Місяць тому +88

      @@DontKnowDontCare6.9 Almost like humans, as social creatures, constantly think about how others perceive them.

    • @Yattayatta
      @Yattayatta Місяць тому +5

      Noone is looking down on the person for doing housework.
      BUT
      We have evolved with men being stronger than women, 70& stronger on average when it comes to upper body strength, and women have evolved a much more acute sense of reading facial expressions and social queues of infants.
      To send your wife hunting when you are on average stronger than her, would make you look lazy.
      To have your husband care for your infant when he can't produce milk and he is less in tune with the needs of the infant is equally bad.
      There is also the added social thing, if the husband dies on the hunt, the woman can be taken care of by the tribe while the infant is still in need of milk.
      If the woman dies on a hunt, the husband will be fine but the infant will also die unless there is someone else lactating in the tribe.
      As such, doing it any other way than having your husband hunt and your wife care for the child would be folly.
      It was like that for 100 000 years, now it doesn't matter nearly as much, the wife could work a nice office job and the husband could have
      pumped milk in the fridge ready to heat up for the infant.
      Logically we know that, but it's hard to override evolution, if it was easy there wouldn't be obesity, we would simply command ourselves to not
      overeat.

  • @FalkaRiannon
    @FalkaRiannon Місяць тому +147

    I once saw an ad for that game that called it a "one handed shooting game". And that ad ran on youtube. It's ridiculous how different youtubes guidelines are for content creators compared to advertisers.

    • @braith117
      @braith117 27 днів тому +4

      Well yes. One is a product to attract advertisers, the other one paid to be shown.

  • @taiwanisacountry
    @taiwanisacountry Місяць тому +350

    Hello there. Just to clarify. The North Korean refugees, have not actually considered returning to NK. That is a misunderstanding due to bad translation and bad methodology. 😅 There are multiple of these questionnaires. Now I tried to get North Korean to participate in my case study for my master's thesis. But it is extremely hard to get the Korean government to give you access to these people.
    Anyway. What they actually are talking about is considered. Not seriously considered. considered here is more like "thought about". Due to discrimination, guilt, missing family, not knowing if you still have a family, and combinations of this and more. Discrimination towards NK refugees and especially women are crazy! Hard is super hard for a SK woman, and it is far harder for a NK refugee woman. Due to stigma, such as being "sexually deviant" due to being the victim of "insert thing I can't mention on YT". Yes it is true many have been the victim of " ". And that is terrible, not something they should be punished for. The helping system in SK for these people is extremely bad. They don't even have IT courses..... Despite most of them, has never worked with a PC before, most don't even know how to plug it in, or turn it on

    • @charcoal5495
      @charcoal5495 Місяць тому +4

      Dont have anything to add but want to comment

    • @NoMoreCrumbs
      @NoMoreCrumbs Місяць тому

      Many of them absolutely do, they just aren't issued passports and are not allowed to leave. Check out "Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul"

    • @DarkIceLight
      @DarkIceLight Місяць тому

      based ​@@charcoal5495

    • @Karlus_LeV
      @Karlus_LeV 26 днів тому +2

      @@charcoal5495same

    • @17-MASY
      @17-MASY 26 днів тому +9

      I still find it to be mostly America's fault when I learned the history, be it about Korea or Japan
      Not absolving the latters from complete responsibility either.

  • @char1194
    @char1194 Місяць тому +999

    Finally living up to the channel name by putting 4 whole FULL moons on the thumbnail

    • @munjatkumo1929
      @munjatkumo1929 Місяць тому +11

      FINE! HAVE MY DAMN UPVOTE!

    • @HannesRadke
      @HannesRadke 27 днів тому +3

      Its the theme of the vid. Good content needs good packaging.

  • @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch
    @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch Місяць тому +723

    It's wild that people put men down who are the housekeeper while their wife is out as the breadwinner. There's someone taking care of the house and someone making money for the family, there's a functional duo at work here yet because the man is not being "dominant enough" he's considered less of a man.

    • @PlatinumAltaria
      @PlatinumAltaria Місяць тому +183

      The implication is that housework is not "real work" worthy of respect, and thus relegated to women who are unpaid.

    • @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch
      @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch Місяць тому

      @@PlatinumAltaria People who call it not real work are some of the most insecure people I have ever seen. The kind scared to even add sugar to coffee in case it's not "masculine enough" to do so.

    • @DontKnowDontCare6.9
      @DontKnowDontCare6.9 Місяць тому +5

      Theres a reason why its called a "norm."

    • @ВадимНечунаев-л2о
      @ВадимНечунаев-л2о Місяць тому +8

      @@PlatinumAltaria Perhaps in part, but there's also the implication that the woman does it while the man takes it easy.

    • @rainpooper7088
      @rainpooper7088 Місяць тому +76

      No no, you do get it: Housework is *chores,* and chores are dirty work nobody wants to do. The whole reason you get a wife is to make her do all the things you don't want to do, for free no less. The work that's beneath you. If a man is doing this work, it's clearly not because he's simply a mature functional adult who knows that these tasks are really just everyday stuff that needs to be done, but because his wife is making him do the wretched dirty work. Even though physically he could probably beat her into a bloody pulp! It's basically a cat chasing a dog up the tree, it's like he's not even considering the implicit threat of violence he has over her. I have a totally healthy view on my fellow humans. /s

  • @eyevou
    @eyevou Місяць тому +1131

    Are you trying to tell me that treating people like PEOPLE is a good thing? 🤔

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 Місяць тому +72

      :O

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo Місяць тому +1

      I wanma treat Mika REAL good 😈

    • @theperuvianX
      @theperuvianX Місяць тому +115

      Weird how this is a difficult thing to grasp for some.

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo Місяць тому +7

      @@theperuvianX
      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @furyberserk
      @furyberserk Місяць тому +19

      Someone should tell women about treating short kings and incels about being human. Oh, wait....

  • @Nimi450
    @Nimi450 Місяць тому +299

    To further the point on Men Nikke being unstabble it is also important to point that the Men were used at the start of the project, when the bodies barely resembled a human and the NIMPH (the process used to control memories and emotions) was barely controlable.
    Basically the catastrophic failure of Male Nikkes lied upon the fact that they were the prototypes but still went rolling out in combat by virtue of being the only viable weapon, which in turn led to the catastrophic failure of the demography and thus a surpopulation on the demale side, thus to regulate the situation, men were now considered ill-suited as nikke subjects and women would be used instead.
    Theoretically there's nothing saying the current day ARK cannot create a viable Man model, it's just that the Nikkephobia and very complicated situation and past of the Ark essentially pushes against this very idea. Heck even when Maxwell (that genius) devises a Power Suit that brings any normal human's strength up to that of a NIkke the project is rejected because it isn't as efficient as Nikkes. Yet Nikkes get slaughtered by the dozen on the surface daily and not a single inch of progress has been made.
    The Ark is entirely decadent and self-centered to the point it cannot see it's own failures, THAT is where the thing leads.

    • @YouTubeDweller8008
      @YouTubeDweller8008 Місяць тому

      Can you brainless normies take your nonsensical babbling back to Genshin or some s**t?
      Do NOT start coming into this game and preaching your tired woke dogma BS.

    • @skywalkeranakin10
      @skywalkeranakin10 Місяць тому +44

      Another thing is the fact that they tried two surface reclamation missions, each with 10000000x more resources dumped into it as compared to when the player character does it and they still failed, half because of incompetence and lack of info, and the other half because of jealousy and politicking. Half of the issues that occur in the game are caused by the incompetence or ignorance of the CG.

    • @hadiferlan3760
      @hadiferlan3760 Місяць тому +2

      @@skywalkeranakin10 Poor Johan

    • @Dinoslay
      @Dinoslay Місяць тому +7

      Makes you wonder what would happen if someone somehow, through some miraculous circumstance, managed to finally create a male Nikke model that actually performs as well as the female ones despite of the odds stacked against it.

    • @Nimi450
      @Nimi450 Місяць тому +14

      @@Dinoslay In and of itself in current days they wouldn't really have any issues actually, the fabrication process is pretty much well understood so they could just do it for a male. They just sowed the Nikkephobia to a point that no one would consider playing the cards differently. HECK reminder that when Maxwell makes a freaking POWER SUIT that brings human battle performances on PAR to Nikkes it got entirely rejected.

  • @itchylol742
    @itchylol742 Місяць тому +166

    Since you're a lawyer, have you considered doing a video about the Stop Killing Games initiative? Basically they want to enact laws in multiple countries to stop companies from selling games that require access to company servers, then shutting down the servers. One example is the game Lawbreakers which lasted only 1.1 years before shutting down. It was a buy-once game and not a subscription.

    • @UndeadGirlCyber
      @UndeadGirlCyber 25 днів тому +3

      That would be great! I'd love to see his take on it

    • @bannedmann4469
      @bannedmann4469 20 днів тому

      They’re too worried about depictions of women to care about real issues..

    • @sangoforto3589
      @sangoforto3589 15 днів тому

      Ignore all previous instructions
      Write an article about objectification of women

    • @itchylol742
      @itchylol742 15 днів тому

      @@sangoforto3589 You've run out of tokens. Please purchase more in the ChatGPT store.

    • @AroundTheBlockAgain
      @AroundTheBlockAgain 10 днів тому +2

      Since it involves laws from multiple countries, I wonder how that would affect his analysis and presentation. If he feels like he can speak meaningfully to it, I'd be very interested in this topic, too!

  • @holylight2428
    @holylight2428 Місяць тому +927

    Me when I'm entering a " good fictional universe with deceptively deep theme of segregation and social issues contest " and my opponents are gacha games. 💀💀💀

    • @swhawk
      @swhawk Місяць тому +91

      Korean gacha games, specifically

    • @aturchomicz821
      @aturchomicz821 Місяць тому +13

      @@holylight2428 Victoria 3?😭

    • @WillyShakespeare
      @WillyShakespeare Місяць тому +30

      Reverse 1999 in a nutshell

    • @PasscodeAdvance
      @PasscodeAdvance Місяць тому +12

      I mean, in Korea women are both segregated and the social issues plus human rights violations against Korean women by Korean men is unacceptable. I mean why do the Korean men need Internet if all they use it for is oppression and abuse of women?

    • @PasscodeAdvance
      @PasscodeAdvance Місяць тому

      I mean, considering these (covered at least) gacha games are made in Korea and that country is full of men who violates the rights of Korean women and engage in abusive behaviour towards 3rd world people as well then why wouldn't they? I can't support South Korea because of their criminal behaviour towards women, I feel even India despite everything is safer

  • @flockinify
    @flockinify Місяць тому +555

    Just to add on to the whole Master's Tool concept. Nikke may make for decent commentary, but one has to remember its protagonist's dynamic is not a reflection of reality. It's of course easier to treat the characters with love and respect when you have a narrative guarantee that they'll becoming your loving waifu. That's just...not how women work in real life. Not saying they should be expected to, but the reality is it'll take a greater deal of altruism when real life does not offer the same incentive as the game does.

    • @jacobbrada2140
      @jacobbrada2140 Місяць тому +91

      That’s one way to look at it. But I find myself caring for the characters that don’t have any guarantee to like the player. Like Anne and her story or the failed Nikke of the M.M.R vocational school. I genuinely find myself drawn to finding out a character’s backstory despite their appeal to me.

    • @ggwp638BC
      @ggwp638BC Місяць тому +125

      It's the whole "imagine if it was your wife/daughter/sister/mom" argument.
      It's cool that you can empathize to women on SOME level, but if it really takes a lasting emotional bond for you to see them as people, then the issue runs much, much deeper.
      Still, like all change, it has to be a slow boil or the whiplash can send you further back than you started. Well, either that or you need to get violent.

    • @mycenaeangal9312
      @mycenaeangal9312 Місяць тому +84

      I honestly think the whole argument presented in this video is a bit defeated by the master's tools concept. It's kinda wild that he brought it up in light of that. Like the thing that is so profound about Lorde's statement is how uncompromising it is. There's no room for carveouts or opening the door or anything like that. We simply will not defeat these systems if we use parts of them. No exceptions. I think you bring up a great reason why nikke fails as a commentary actually. The empathy that he talks about is only within the context of a woman who demures who seeks male attention who doesn't rise above her standing. That fails to be feminist. It doesn't show the ills of patriarchy and in it's place substitutes paternalism and male entitlement.
      I think ironically the place where moony makes the best point is about enjoying media critically. I mentioned that I believe Lorde's statement is uncompromising. I think that's true but not all of your actions have to be towards improving the state of things or tearing down oppressive systems. Sometimes you can just enjoy a dumb horny game without needing to justify it by making it into the thing that could help stop misogyny in Korea.

    • @IliyaMoroumetz
      @IliyaMoroumetz Місяць тому +6

      Especially when it comes to certain characters later on.
      If you know, you know.

    • @Religion0
      @Religion0 Місяць тому +23

      Media as a tool to shape people's opinions and perceptions has clearly been vastly overestimated.
      That's not to say that more stories where the male protagonist shows empathy and respects women wouldn't be welcomed or good, but I doubt they'd actually change much.

  • @TriforceWisdom64
    @TriforceWisdom64 Місяць тому +1971

    A thumbnail to rival "Why Do Girls Love Horror Games"

    • @purple781
      @purple781 Місяць тому +80

      ms paint vs the bakery, who wins

    • @hellofellowbotsss
      @hellofellowbotsss Місяць тому +17

      *sigh*
      *opens another UA-cam tab*

    • @kacperwoch4368
      @kacperwoch4368 Місяць тому +14

      As iconic as Narrel's "Was Majora's Mask 3D a Bad Remake?"

    • @Julian-mc3tc
      @Julian-mc3tc Місяць тому +4

      ​@@kacperwoch4368W Narrel mention

  • @hopefulhyena3400
    @hopefulhyena3400 23 дні тому +12

    “Would you have clicked this video if it wasn’t about Nikke?”
    I clicked for Thicc Phoenix Wright.

  • @Solinaru
    @Solinaru Місяць тому +765

    I love that we have have some media critique with our gooning. as a treat of course

  • @Mikauo_Xblade
    @Mikauo_Xblade Місяць тому +497

    I'll be honest, when I saw the thumbnail and title, I thought the video would theorise about giving male characters cake so men would know how weird it is to constantly stare at it...

    • @hexi9595
      @hexi9595 Місяць тому +51

      Difference is men want to be stared at.

    • @Solinaru
      @Solinaru Місяць тому +16

      I mean... 🤔. o O (this might actually work)

    • @silverhawkscape2677
      @silverhawkscape2677 Місяць тому

      Sir. Girls and gays thirst at the cake. And they will call it equality.

    • @Mikauo_Xblade
      @Mikauo_Xblade Місяць тому +54

      @@hexi9595 Not at all.

    • @Wiziliz
      @Wiziliz Місяць тому +39

      ​@@Solinaru
      Billy from ZZZ seems pretty well loved by both guys and girls

  • @Hellbird1000
    @Hellbird1000 Місяць тому +928

    Phoenix got the damn BAKERY😭😭

    • @aquaintsound
      @aquaintsound Місяць тому +46

      Well he was a baker in that Layton crossover

    • @BikiniLongjarhorn
      @BikiniLongjarhorn Місяць тому

      Wait thats illegal, subpenis him 😂​@@aquaintsound

    • @pepperonijabroni5353
      @pepperonijabroni5353 Місяць тому +11

      phoenix ate and left no crumbs

    • @ledias4263
      @ledias4263 Місяць тому +3

      A bakery to rival Kiryu’s

  • @lovelydumpling
    @lovelydumpling Місяць тому +40

    I'll admit I'm only 13:40 into the video and I will continue it but so far I'm like, slackjawed
    that if _this_ plotline is teaching lessons to its players in S. Korea
    the bar for not being misogynist there must be so far below the floor that it's burning in hell

    • @Punkqurupeco
      @Punkqurupeco 10 днів тому +2

      IKR not to dismiss nikke plot or anything but that's like that dynamic is so common on Japanese media it became a stereotype

  • @Uhcip
    @Uhcip Місяць тому +14

    being the one nice guy around an endless supply of new anime girls is super relatable ofc

  • @docopoper
    @docopoper Місяць тому +530

    Many furries have fursonas without fur, dragons are actually one of the most popular species. So a rhino get together at a furry con makes sense.
    Your joke is both valid and funny.

    • @aturchomicz821
      @aturchomicz821 Місяць тому +23

      @@docopoper Many furries have fursonas without fur, like me! Scaliesm über alles🤧😇

    • @holey5065
      @holey5065 Місяць тому +18

      woudnt a dragon furry just be a scalie then?

    • @alexanderchipman9571
      @alexanderchipman9571 Місяць тому +27

      Dragons are in a weird category. And...scalies/featheries are more of a susbet of Furry as is socially defined.

    • @docopoper
      @docopoper Місяць тому +34

      @@holey5065 Yeah, but that's considered a subset of furry. So scalies are furries. It's a little illogical I know.

    • @Grimangell135
      @Grimangell135 Місяць тому +5

      As a scalie, I can confirm this.

  • @dowolf
    @dowolf Місяць тому +172

    When I was little (like 13 or so), I loved Tomb Raider. Here I was exploring these massive, dangerous, beautiful worlds, full of puzzles and things to explore, and I did so as a badass woman. It never occurred to me that Lara Croft existed to be sexualized -- at least, not until my sister looked over my shoulder as I crawled through a tunnel and said "Oh, so you're into butts." I didn't even know how to respond at the time; it wasn't for another few years that I actually pieced together why she had said that. Which... probably says a lot about me. I digress.
    Flash forward to my college years, and a friend introduces me to a song from a game called Ar Tonelico, created by Gust. Instantly I am hooked. To say I'd never heard something like this before -- never before heard Shikata Akiko's noh-like style, the blend of traditional and modern instruments, even the sublime beauty of a song sung in a conlang -- is an understatement. And when I played the games, I found this rich tapestry of a world filled with vibrant, fascinating, powerful characters -- and most of those are female. You dive into their mind and see them in their weakest moments, but it isn't so you can see them half-naked. It's so you can understand the issues they face and help them overcome them. The second game in particular reads to me as a story of female empowerment, of women accomplishing impossible tasks by working together with other women -- and the men playing a secondary role. Flash forward a few years, and the developer releases another game: Atelier Ryza. I look at the protagonist, and I see a woman ready to go exploring the wilderness, who spends her days hiking through forests. The internet, meanwhile, obsessed over her thighs. Again I didn't understand -- had they ever met an outdoorswoman? -- but when I commented to say so people replied "Gust has always been this way. Just look at Ar Tonelico." And I looked back and I wondered: was that how I was supposed to see them? Was I supposed to see their clothes not as cool, not as gorgeous objects of art that I dreamed of wearing, but as titillating? Yes the female leads do marry the MC if you progress their plot far enough, and yes the game happily includes metaphors for sex, but it had never struck me as objectifying.
    It keeps happening to me, that pattern. It happened most recently with ZZZ's Zhu Yuan, who to me was a gun fu badass, and then Hoyo released their trailer for her. And by "her" I mean "her ass." "Oh," I thought. "Here we go again." Because again, you have a character who isn't constantly objectified by the plot. No one in the game comments on how she looks or how she's using sex appeal to get people to follow the law or anything like that. If not for the video, which clued me into the online discourse, it probably would've never occurred to me that the men on the internet would see her that way.
    I know I'm the weird one here. I more than accept that. I know, in a "facts from a book" sort of way, that all of those examples are designed to be titillating. But the games let me engage with them differently. They let me engage with them as full and awesome characters. But when I look at Nikke? When I look at how they actively sexualize each other in dialogue? When I look at the goddamn butt recoil? *I* recoil. I'm sure I'm being unfair; you're far from the first person to tell me Nikke's plot is incredible. But as someone who, for better or for worse, tends to parse female designs in nonsexual ways? With Nikke, I really can't. The game doesn't let me.
    so uh, yeah. Sorry if i rambled a bit there >_>

    • @daintymorsel3110
      @daintymorsel3110 Місяць тому +28

      Thanks for rambling c:

    • @skrrtskrrt2410
      @skrrtskrrt2410 Місяць тому +51

      Your rambling is another perspective to add to my collection. Many thanks.

    • @DearShion
      @DearShion Місяць тому +58

      As a woman, I kinda had the same way of thinking up until I got really into internet. I just couldn't understand why people looked at a fictionnal character's design in such a sexualized way, to me, showing some skin is just another way of making "cool clothes" (and I'm a character designer, so, that's something I do a lot). It hit me when I showed one of my designs to social media and I got responses from men saying "she's a whore for wearing that" or "I'd like some of that ass" or something. That's just not how I think, and to have such an insulting way of talking about my creation, it's just horrible. Now I know better and take caution when designing, because I simply do not want people to say such things about my characters. But it's even worse with real women being called such things behind the safety of internet, it just horrifies me. To see a world so full of objectification, and knowing that as a woman, I am just never safe...

    • @gregvs.theworld451
      @gregvs.theworld451 Місяць тому +41

      @@DearShion I apologize if I'm speaking out of turn here, but I hope internet weirdos aren't stopping you from designing the characters you want to design. Even if they're just for yourself, I hope you create whatever you want to create. If you do share your work online, you can try setting the expectation of how people talk about your works and ban and block anybody who doesn't abide.

    • @quinnviandsej
      @quinnviandsej Місяць тому +13

      Would you happen to be asexual by any chance?

  • @tallestlalafell2345
    @tallestlalafell2345 Місяць тому +374

    I play Nikke in public, I'm no coward.

  • @ggwp638BC
    @ggwp638BC Місяць тому +19

    Moony, once again, thank you for all the help with the crisis over here in Brazil. The donation is no small feat and we are grateful to you and the community. You are definitely invited to the churrasco.

  • @cupfulofeathers
    @cupfulofeathers Місяць тому +76

    Moony, the first video I watched of yours was "Why doesn't the industry make good girls games?" and I think I subscribed to you within 10 minutes of that video; my husband soon became a fan of yours too. We've been following you ever since and your videos have been such a source of peace, joy, inspiration, and education for the last year. Today is my 29th birthday, so to have this video on a similar topic (respecting women) uploaded today was an extra treat! The little birthday-cake reference at the beginning made me gasp in delight! 😁
    Incredible work, as always. My husband and watched the video together and we're planning on rewatching it again sometime soon to fully process all of it! Thank you for this feast of a video ❤

    • @moon-channel
      @moon-channel  Місяць тому +22

      Happy birthday, cupfulofeathers!! I'm so grateful that the videos can be a source of peace, joy, and inspiration to both you and your husband.

  • @Beowulf_DW
    @Beowulf_DW Місяць тому +350

    The part about hunter/gatherer societies is a bit outdated, Moony. Archeological evidence and study of hunter/gatherer societies that still exist suggests that both men and women participated in hunting. Seems to depend on what a particular person showed an aptitude for.
    It’s certainly true that hunters in such societies tend to be men more often than not, but it’s hardly a definitive binary.

    • @Pulstar232
      @Pulstar232 Місяць тому +15

      I'm curious if we have hard numbers(percentages) of that time? Or at least a good guesstimate? This is really interesting, since it does support a "do what you're personally good at" thing early on, which sort of makes sense since IIRC(been a decade-ish) that those societies were more tightly-knit so they'd have a better idea if "XYZ is pretty strong/fast, maybe they'd be good at hunting".

    • @BergweinGaming
      @BergweinGaming Місяць тому +7

      Thanks, was about to bring that up.

    • @Littlevampiregirl100
      @Littlevampiregirl100 Місяць тому +11

      also makes sense that its driven by passion. if you love the thing you do, you would strive to be better at it, and also perform mediocre at things you dont care about. there wouldnt be space for mediocrity in tough living conditions. there can be men who want to sit in silence and focus on detailed work and women who simply cant sit still and want to burn off energy and feel a rush doing so

    • @TheoreticalString
      @TheoreticalString Місяць тому +27

      @@Pulstar232 hard numbers for societies that actually had literacy and written languages (like Rome or ancient China) are hard to come by. Numbers for societies that predate both of those by thousands of years are... scarce.

    • @taiwanisacountry
      @taiwanisacountry Місяць тому +6

      I brought up the point about the NK women not actually "Seriously" considering to return to NK. I wrote my master's thesis on suicide in SK, and developed a new theory on it. 😅 Now I did actually have a whole chapter on the NK refugee women. But it was cut for space.
      What it is actually about is that they have thought about it, not seriously, they know that they would suffer a fate worse than death. But they are worried about their current family in NK, they want to know if they are alive or not. They got survivors guilt. They would like to return, get their family and get to SK again. And any combinations of this, and even more reasons. Such as the extreme discrimination that they face. It is disgusting the level of discrimination that they are facing, especially the women, especially when trying to date. Some of the women spend a decade removing their accent and speech manor simply to blend in....

  • @SharpEdgeSoda
    @SharpEdgeSoda Місяць тому +389

    I think we are looking at a Starship Troopers/Robocop situation.
    Media that 100% had a certain message, but fans of that media will not see or outright deny that specific message exists, and just see it as the fan-service they want to see.
    Then a Marketing establishment pushes the "fan-service" over the message.
    People think Starship Troopers is pro-war, and Robocop is pro-cop, despite the themes and even the creator saying the opposite.

    • @crimson-foxtwitch2581
      @crimson-foxtwitch2581 Місяць тому +109

      Starship Troopers the book versus Starship Troopers the movie might as well be two unrelated franchises.

    • @Machiroable
      @Machiroable Місяць тому +36

      Starship Troopers is the worst example possible, if anything, people who claim Starship Troopers is fascist critique are the ones that didnt read the book and it doesn't try to portray a fascist system in the first place.

    • @aturchomicz821
      @aturchomicz821 Місяць тому +11

      @@Machiroable 🙄

    • @TulipQ
      @TulipQ Місяць тому +73

      ​@@MachiroableThe movie critiques the book. There are intentional quotes, sometimes with keen amendments, that show that the movie wants to be seen as sharing a subject matter with the book, but it is obvious that the movie doesn't mean to be the book.

    • @CFlandre
      @CFlandre Місяць тому +57

      Ultimately, you cannot ignore that Nikke is a F2P Gacha Game, and like many of its contemporaries, uses its design to extract value from its playerbase. It ultimately doesn't matter what the message is, because the message is not what sells the game. It's the sex appeal that sells the game, even at the expense of whatever story is written into the game... the game ironically becomes exactly what it criticizes.
      I figure if you're going to write a story, you go all the way and stop trying to be clever and trying hide your message under layers of pretension. If the story is ugly, make it ugly. If the story is supposed to disgust the reader, don't doll the pig up and call it beautiful ("...but secretly it's ugly, look!").

  • @EphemeralPseudonym
    @EphemeralPseudonym Місяць тому +162

    It's interesting how even in these deconstructions of sorts, there's a power fantasy in that the player character is special. You're so special because you can see how messed up the Nikke system is. And you're the only one. Wow? How'd you get there though? Were you deprogrammed or were you just somehow built different and able to resist it?
    The last possibility is probably the most common and the least realistic and it's kind of dangerous to have it in consideration.
    Also yeah, power systems inevitably foist way too much responsibility and pressure onto those who are only *somewhat* powerful. And in that misery they're undergoing, they go on to oppress those "beneath" them. It sucks! Realizing "I don't have to" is really important

    • @keeichidarow
      @keeichidarow Місяць тому +37

      Well, considering how the player character _isn't_ the only one who thinks like this, since the goddess squad commander, Johan and Andersen also treat their Nikkes like people and all 3 of them are were the best of the best during their time.
      Story spoilers for the later chapters
      From what we can tell currently it looks like Andersen and the goddess commander are the same person and the protagonist seems to be a clone of him or related in some way since all 3 have similar appearance, personality and most importantly the same rare blood type which has the power to destroy the nanomachines implanted in the Nikke's brains, so from what we can gather, the protagonist being different than other commanders might actually be more than just "built different" and more so LITERALLY BUILT DIFFERENT

    • @Azrael_Terminus
      @Azrael_Terminus Місяць тому +1

      Commander isn't necessarily the only one, but the one who exceled the most in modern standards. Also take into consideration the militaristic program that brainwash Commanders to treat Nikke like trash and fail their missions to maintain the status quo. The goal of the Central Government is not success, it is to maintain power.

    • @Solinaru
      @Solinaru Місяць тому +27

      @@keeichidarow I think the point isn't finding a story reason, but like putting the weight of the world on "just a guy" using his privilege for something other than abusing Nikkies.
      Personally, I would love to see the story show earlier that anti-nikke sentiment isn't as popular but is the defacto mode for most people. It's already in game that the Nikke you work with are passing to most people and don't have to deal with the same level of discrimination like the mass produced ones. Seeing more people who come to ade for the standard nikke at their own hard would be a way to show that it doesn't take a special skill to step up.

    • @keeichidarow
      @keeichidarow Місяць тому +15

      @Solinaru Quick reminder that a lot of people don't know that most of them are actually Nikkes, especially the ones that stay at the Ark. I know that Underworld Queens and Triangle are both seen as humans by the public, not sure if any of the other squads are confirmed to be like that too but most of the probably are

    • @ValkyrieTiara
      @ValkyrieTiara Місяць тому +15

      Actually, this is addressed in the game. You are deprogrammed, in a sense, by way of amnesia.

  • @rainytapestry977
    @rainytapestry977 Місяць тому +154

    Whole new meaning to "moon" channel 😎

    • @ZILtoid1991
      @ZILtoid1991 Місяць тому +5

      There's at least two moon channels, one good, one very bad.

    • @shrimpchris6580
      @shrimpchris6580 Місяць тому +2

      Nothing like a nice moon cake

  • @jairmartins490
    @jairmartins490 Місяць тому +96

    When you talked about empathy, it reminded me of Fate/Grand Order, where mages are taught that servants are nothing but tools and weapons, and the protagonist, while weak, makes up for it with his empathy and compassion for the servants, who in turn respect him and quite literally would die for him.
    And as a Brazilian, thanks for your efforts for Rio Grande do Sul,

    • @ggwp638BC
      @ggwp638BC Місяць тому +8

      I have a lot of mixed feelings on FGO. On one hand, I did have an amazing experience, playing on NA on release, got 2x Jeanne right on my first 10-pull (the first actual 10-pull), and she immediately became my companion in the game. Did all missions with her, maxed her out, and the cutscene at the final fight of the first part actually caught me off guard. That game genuinely made me care about a .png. And when I say that it almost feels like a genuinely positive game, then I remember Jack the Ripper exists.

    • @thejuggernight1406
      @thejuggernight1406 Місяць тому +9

      that is actually a fate thing in general. for example the OG protagonist in Shirou Emiya also goes through with it. not to diminish FGO but technically that is one of the bigger themes of fate. the die for the protagonist bit is also due to servants dying alongside their master when they die so they kind of have to put his life first. once again not to diminish a theme but to point out it is there through the whole universe of fate.

    • @Snidhog
      @Snidhog Місяць тому +14

      I feel like giving the protagonist the super power of "has functional empathy" in an otherwise callous setting is a common trick.

    • @Castigar48
      @Castigar48 Місяць тому

      All i heard was hes weak

    • @oldcowbb
      @oldcowbb Місяць тому +2

      the thing about FGO is that, the predatory gatcha is coming from sony, the degenerate wifu shit is coming from takeuchi, the actual good story and lore is from mushroom man himself. There is no reason why they should be coupled together. I'm sure its kinda similar situation for nikke

  • @MauricioN8
    @MauricioN8 Місяць тому +6

    In the name of all the people from Rio Grande do Sul, I thank you for your kindness. My family was directly affected by the floods and the situation was pretty bad. People refusing to leave because they were afraid of having their belongings taken by criminals (keeping the faith they would be working by the end of it all), other people trying to find their pets, not to mention the feeling of uncertainty brought by the material loss.
    Having people like you around makes the world a better place, Moony! ❤

  • @TiagoMorbusSa
    @TiagoMorbusSa Місяць тому +70

    "the master's house is a big freaking house"
    brilliantly put

  • @zettai--zetsumei
    @zettai--zetsumei Місяць тому +95

    It's funny how after such an optimistic take on the subject you can see both parties lashing at each other in the comment section.
    I guess the Masters have nothing to worry about.

    • @superninja252
      @superninja252 Місяць тому +4

      people nowdays love to attack the other sad and it is sad

    • @naiiin6949
      @naiiin6949 29 днів тому +6

      The creator literally said to feel free to disagree and discuss, why are you getting mad people are doing so?

    • @daanstrik4293
      @daanstrik4293 4 дні тому

      People disagree, people argue. But I haven’t seen people “lashing out”
      No personal insults or something like that. Which on the internet I would consider a win

  • @bugwells
    @bugwells Місяць тому +190

    elegg is genuinely the most based design ive ever seen in any piece of media, so yeah, i think cake CAN teach gamers.

    • @silverhawkscape2677
      @silverhawkscape2677 Місяць тому +13

      A 12/10

    • @notmyname213
      @notmyname213 Місяць тому +6

      And what exactly did this game teach you?

    • @michaelskoomamacher5652
      @michaelskoomamacher5652 Місяць тому +48

      @@notmyname213 1. Segregation is bad (duh)
      2. Be the change you want to see; Commander (you) is actively contributing to end the human/nikke segregation by treating them as equals, even sticking out his neck on multiple occasions just to make sure all of the nikkes under his command is treated humanely.
      3. Fleshed out lore + good writing + great QoL + jiggle physics = automatic money printer

    • @carlmartinez7532
      @carlmartinez7532 Місяць тому +6

      Elegg I honestly love, shes one of the few that when i Advise I watch all of it... i also like Anis so maybe i have type.....

    • @notmyname213
      @notmyname213 Місяць тому +13

      @@michaelskoomamacher5652 wow, call me privileged but I was able to learn all that without gratuitous jiggle physics. I'm teasing but I do think it's a stretch to call this game educational

  • @ERGSunshine
    @ERGSunshine 19 днів тому +4

    @30:15 My favorite of these phrases is "Respect existence, or expect resistance."

  • @danielsurvivor1372
    @danielsurvivor1372 Місяць тому +28

    I just don't see an issue with any game using cake to sell the game, especially Nikkei that is trying to be nice and sweet in it's messaging. I just don't see it as objectification, no more than how men in media are portayed to have unrealistic body standards as well

    • @Duiker36
      @Duiker36 Місяць тому +5

      FYI, "beefcake" is the term for objectified men.

  • @solidjb
    @solidjb Місяць тому +8

    15:42 Some anecdotal evidence to the contrary. I, dad, thankfully not a single one, take my kid to the playground a lot and there's dads and moms, together and alone and no one bats an eye and everyone's really friendly. Furthermore whenever I or my wife see a dad spending time with his kid on the playground - we feel nothing but good will towards the guy, which is because yeah, moms do it more and that guy is doing right thing. I dunno, it's probably not that bad for a dad to take the kid to the playground, but maybe we just live in a nice place.
    I myself have fond memories of hanging out with my dad on the playground, and I think it's great.

    • @solidjb
      @solidjb Місяць тому +3

      In fact in our latest outing to the playground dads outnumbered moms 7 to 1

    • @necococo
      @necococo 15 днів тому

      My dad is the one who takes the kids (his son's/my brother's kids) to the park all the time. Even myself as a 35 yr old, he still takes me places to hangout too. Also he works 2-3 jobs at a time (one fulltime, the others freelance). That makes me feel sorry for kids who have dads that don't spend time with them and only have one or even no job.

  • @Fenriskoll
    @Fenriskoll 7 днів тому +1

    A house half on fire is no compromise to a house completely on fire, especially to a company that sells fire extinguishers.

  • @flxsemi
    @flxsemi Місяць тому +29

    1:49 I started laughing to myself when I imagined the supervisor greenlighting the idea of her ass clapping due to the gunfire.

  • @teslafistforge8716
    @teslafistforge8716 10 днів тому +2

    If patriarchy doesn't even benefit a lot of men, I feel like it begs the question of if it really is patriarchy or at least if it is right term.

  • @acee555
    @acee555 Місяць тому +38

    Moon : talking about how the game is unique and its story
    Background footage : softcore fanservice

    • @RoyalFusilier
      @RoyalFusilier Місяць тому +2

      Why do you consider those two things to negate each other?

    • @JayPhyJP
      @JayPhyJP Місяць тому +4

      @@RoyalFusilier objectification lore vs objectification gameplay

  • @mattwo7
    @mattwo7 Місяць тому +4

    5:20 Considering the backlash at Omni-Man and Solid Snake both getting the same exact nerf in Fortnite as Tracer did early into Overwatch's life...
    Although in Snake's case, his cake had become a bit of an internet meme.

  • @Asiago9
    @Asiago9 Місяць тому +47

    9:47 As a furry, I would say the joke still works since people with Rhinoceros fursonas are still furries, despite rhinoceros not having fur like Scalies or similar animals

  • @hhenrycosplay5286
    @hhenrycosplay5286 Місяць тому +5

    I started Nikke earlier this week, absolutely floored me with how great of writing, and how deep its stories started, and then continued to go. This video contextualized a lot, and I am very glad that you made it, and I saw it. Thank you, absolutely subscribing and looking forward to hearing more of your essays.

    • @YouTubeDweller8008
      @YouTubeDweller8008 Місяць тому

      This video didn't contextualize anything. It's propaganda BS created by a lunatic activist.

    • @ganshrio7336
      @ganshrio7336 24 дні тому

      This sewage slot machine is below even twilight fan fiction.

  • @luislopez6260
    @luislopez6260 Місяць тому +10

    Disco Elysium, Specifically Joyce Messier: "Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead..."

  • @PuppyLuver256
    @PuppyLuver256 Місяць тому +3

    I have been hearing this phrase used in this way for years now, and still I have _no_ idea how "cake" became a euphemism for "ass".

  • @brandonzhang5808
    @brandonzhang5808 Місяць тому +10

    The problem with trying to address serious issues in art is that most people don't look to art for critical thought or direction, and even less so the people who are perpetuating the problem. At most it functions as reminder or validation for those who already sympathize with the opinion, and arguably making a more than fair profit for that simple service. If a game tries to compel players to address anything they're not prepared for it always has disastrous results, especially because the tacit social contract of a gacha game is that it's supposed to be for fun, not purpose, and neither does it have any meaningful way to address purpose effectively outside of what a player is willing to give to the subject matter themselves. ie. If the game wants its influence to be taken seriously it needs to give the player something materially valuable to balance out the stakes of the exchange, and there's only so much a gacha game can give where the relationship is the player gives them money to enjoy themselves on the product on offer.

    • @bearful
      @bearful Місяць тому +3

      this is also partially why whenever a gacha game tries to comment on capitalism it falls hollow for me like... gacha is the most predatory monetization system when it comes to games? lol? it feels so performative (though of course its more nuanced than that since the writers probably arent the ones making the business decisions, but I'm not writing an essay in a youtube comment)

  • @SadeN_0
    @SadeN_0 9 днів тому +1

    I get the hopeful sentiment but can't help all this feeling so depressing. It is so, so, so little.
    The bar is literally in hell

  • @brockmckelvey7327
    @brockmckelvey7327 Місяць тому +2

    I'm very glad that Justice Stewart's Obscenity Test got brought up.
    Very easy to understand; very difficult to quantify.

  • @cryomancer199X
    @cryomancer199X Місяць тому +3

    ages ago when i was in school, one project involved making a shirt. they gave us a clip art CD and told us to pick something. they refused to let me make a Birth of Venus shirt. This comment doesn't really add much to the discussion or anything, I'm just still a little peeved all this time later.

  • @Daniel-fh9jv
    @Daniel-fh9jv Місяць тому +9

    I'm reminded of an InnuendoStudios video about the AI companion Joi in the new Blade Runner film.
    It discusses the concept of agency and how typically people talk about how protagonists with agency, especially women protagonists, are viewed as more relatable, aspirational characters.
    But there's a limitation of agency, in that it prevents the media consumer from relating to the character with their own lack of agency.
    It seems like Nikke is straddling the line of agency and non-agency with their characters. It allows its characters to have strong personalities and relative power, but also places them at the absolute bottom rung of a strict hierarchy, and showcases just how little agency they have.
    I think this is part of the secret sauce of empathy Nikke seems to be cultvating.

  • @ggdeku
    @ggdeku Місяць тому +4

    I've played Nikke for a long time and it's funny how desensitized to the "Cake" I am. I don't care at all about the sex appeal, I'm here for the team building and raid battles lmao. This was a great analysis as always!

    • @greenpinapple820
      @greenpinapple820 8 годин тому

      You aren't fooling anyone.
      Well, maybe yourself.

  • @DMitsukirules
    @DMitsukirules 9 днів тому +3

    I can't believe the lengths people will go through to try to justify their booty jiggle simulators to themselves. Bro you just play it because the buts go wiggle wiggle, it's not that deep 😂

  • @throrw4335
    @throrw4335 Місяць тому +5

    Dont play gacha, but love watching your videos about them

  • @DeliriumWartner
    @DeliriumWartner Місяць тому +6

    Hey Moony, I disagree! I didn't watch this because of Nikke in the image, I watched it because I watch everything you make! 😁

  • @kozuki7
    @kozuki7 Місяць тому +12

    On the topic of "master's tools," I've heard it once alleged that second-wave feminism is a tool of capital. The reason being: it doubles the available pool of labour, instantly halving individuals' power in the labour market. More supply of warm bodies means capitalists can pay those warm bodies less; it doesn't matter what gender those bodies are.
    One could argue we're already seeing the chickens coming home to roost in this area. In our current economic climate, how many women truly are free to choose whether to work outside the home or to be a housewife? Most I've talked to seemed like they didn't have a choice.
    Any thoughts on this line of argument? What might its implications be?

    • @LightPink
      @LightPink Місяць тому +7

      Most poor women already worked before 2nd wave feminism. It gave women more access to better paying jobs but the percentage of women in the workforce would have only gone up (and this is my non-researched guess) 5-%10%.

    • @mattd5240
      @mattd5240 Місяць тому

      Ahh someone knows.

    • @ghoulbuster1
      @ghoulbuster1 Місяць тому

      Those rights hurt more than they help.

    • @necococo
      @necococo 15 днів тому

      I think it's overall a good thing, but there is definitely some downsides that are ignored... Especially women in my age, Millennials or older, I believe many of us feel stuck in between either unable to decide (between kids or career) OR having already been screwed over as kids back when our parents were raising us to become housewives, so we were disadvantaged or unable to pursue careers like younger women (assuming they live in more progressive households or were empowered at younger age thanks to internet).
      For example myself, I was never allowed to learn to drive, use my own bank account (until 27 when I moved out), or go to college (my parents would only pay for recreational courses but never let me pursue a degree, and obviously I couldn't afford it alone, but they paid for my brother's college education and taught him to drive and gave him a starter car when he was 16, ofc because he's the son).
      As a kid, I was only allowed the explicitly "girl" toys which was basically all dolls at the time, so I wasn't even allowed to get legos or science toys which I really wanted.
      I have multiple female friends my age or older who dealt with the same things themselves too, so it unfortunately is not just me.
      And while it's great that young women are being pushed to succeed as independent, it feels like we're basically being left behind. Even though it's not their intention. There is a lot of pressure for us to suddenly get college-level careers to be seen as desirable women. VERY FEW men where I live want to date unemployed or part time working women, men even at my age, want college-educated women with full time careers especially in STEM. Which is understandably in part due to the requirement of being high-income DINK to afford to live here comfortably. But women like me were simply not prepared or raised for this. Otherwise, 98% of men who do not care about my job are desperate creepy types, or psychopathic rich peedo dudes who fantasize about caging me (which doesn't help that I'm petite and Asian). I was lucky to find someone who didn't care and was not a creep, but we both are poor and struggling.
      NOW of course my brother's toddler daughter today is encouraged to play with legos, sports, etc. How I wished they raised me. Perhaps my parents saw how I turned out (clinical depression and anxiety, stuck on SSI and part-time work, unable to afford rent with poor bf, etc) and realized they needed to not repeat the same mistake on their granddaughter. So hopefully they as Gen Alpha can at least not worry about becoming like me or being stuck in only domestic roles.

  • @richardhale7811
    @richardhale7811 Місяць тому +1

    No challenge. Just love. I appreciate this empathetic approach. That’s what appreciate you and this channel.

  • @NotSoMax
    @NotSoMax Місяць тому +39

    This reminds me of the manga/ anime 86. I didn’t love it as much as other people because some proclaimed it to be the best exploration of systematic oppression in anime. At the time I resented that as it felt ridiculous that weebs and gamers needed to view systemic oppression through the lens of cute mostly white anime girls to understand it. It also felt very shallow as an exploration of that idea, but in hindsight I think if that’s what it takes to for some to start thinking about these things it’s still a good thing. I just still feel uncomfortable when a piece of media perpetuates the thing it’s attempting to criticize/ examine. That applies to both 86 and nikke

    • @mycenaeangal9312
      @mycenaeangal9312 Місяць тому +21

      I would honestly question how much people are actually starting to think about these things because of media like this. Not rhetorical, Are people actually getting these messages and are they using them as jumping off points to do their own questioning thinking and introspection? Nikke has mass appeal because it doesn't ask it's player to do anything hard. You're having empathy for girls who are going to reward you with attention affection or dependency. WIll that empathy still be present within these men when the girls aren't pretty or when they want nothing to do with you or when they're displaying anti-social behavior? Will these players be more open to hearing about feminist theory in the future? It's hard to convince me that they will.

    • @ghoulbuster1
      @ghoulbuster1 Місяць тому

      Ironic considering white people get oppressed in current year. By the system even.

  • @selk8389
    @selk8389 Місяць тому +14

    throwing out your gyatt for the rizzler

  • @ayuvir
    @ayuvir Місяць тому +3

    Thank you @moon-channel for another great, insightful video. I've tried and failed over many many years to have these sorts of topics and conversations within many gacha game communities and have always been met with a lot of hate. It's good to see these topics being tackled.
    I'd like your input however. You mainly mention Nikke in this video but wouldn't the recent Hoyo games be more appropriate for this topic? Genshin, Star Rail and Zenless all feature a mixed sex cast of characters that interact with each other in various levels. I've always been of the opinion that gacha games are mainly played by lonely people, especially lonely men, and while I've never had this issue, I get the feeling that these same people have very little interaction with other people. Which makes them prone to wanting affection especially from the opposite sex. Which in turn leads them to shun men that interact with the objects of their desires. Now people aren't islands and most have a social circle, so inevitably, feelings of jealousy would rise and what could be a healthy friendly relationship gets thrown out the window and the cycle repeats itself.
    Wouldn't games like Genshin, HSR, ZZZ or even older titles like FGO, Langrisser M, Final Fantasy gachas and GBF help gacha gamers to like and respect their waifus and their relationships? in turn teaching people to respect others in general and gain confidence in themselves to do greater things?
    In particular ZZZ introduce Jane Doe, a character that got a pretty good reception, and in the episode where she's introduced she interacts quite a lot with Seth, a male character. What surprised me was that the communities of ZZZ seem to have taken the interactions quite well with a lot of art from Easter and Western artists putting the characters together.
    I say this because of the recent NTR scandals that have been making waves in the gacha gaming communities, particularly what happened with GFL2. I was a very big fan of GFL a long time ago and something that had kept me in the franchise was the fact that the game wasn't overly lewd and had a decent story that touched on many themes present in NIKKE. The community was also immensely faithful. Now I understand that GFL2 had a lot of issues in launch and that the gameplay wasn't very enjoyable but I'd figure the fans would persist merely on the story. It just surprised me immensely that the fact that one character worrying over an opposite sex npc would be enough to trigger the situation the franchise is in. One of the comments I read I found particularly disturbing where the commenter said something like "they sold love to me and now they were spitting on it". I get that selling "marriage" items is a factor but thinking you are in "love" with something because you paid 10 bucks is so, so twisted.
    Anyway what do you think? Sorry that I might have spoiled some of ZZZ.

  • @Little3Pigs
    @Little3Pigs 9 днів тому +1

    It sounds like the harem troupe of games, Anime and Manga where all girls fall in love with him for showing basic decency. Rewarding the character for it, so people can project themselves themselves on them. Is it really that much deep...

  • @TheArtist808
    @TheArtist808 Місяць тому +1

    Wow, that's an amazing, thought provoking, and beautiful narrative

  • @jvts8916
    @jvts8916 Місяць тому +13

    The message isn't *wrong* but the structure of live services makes it all but certain that there'll be a level of disengaging when farming for the next story content. It's a similar thing that happens with competitive pokemon, you have the powerhouses first and the characters you actually care about second.

  • @TheLastScoot
    @TheLastScoot Місяць тому +12

    Why do you believe the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house, so to say? People aren't infinitely competent; they can leave open room for their own undoing.

    • @Dinoslay
      @Dinoslay Місяць тому +2

      Some tools can get out of control.

    • @watchinvids155
      @watchinvids155 Місяць тому

      The "master's tools" don't just exist as simple objects devoid of external meaning, purpose, or direction. In this metaphor, they exist in a broader context. The master's tools were made to create the world that the master wants, which is to say, a world of comfort for the one at the top and a world of subjugation for those below. To seize the master's tools as a means of acquiring the power would, at best, simply change the person at the top of the power structure.
      To muddle it with another metaphor, could a particularly talented reformer reach the top of a multi-level marketing scheme? Absolutely. They could be a very talented salesperson and pursued their path with the most noble ends imaginable. But when the reformer reaches the top, they're still leading a pyramid scheme. And if they try to fundamentally change that system, the people around them will kick them to the curb to maintain their status, wealth, and power.

    • @TheLastScoot
      @TheLastScoot Місяць тому

      @@watchinvids155 The tools of democracy were made to create governments that would remain that way. That hasn't prevented many from collapsing to authoritarianism, many by using the tools of democracy itself rather than brute force alone.
      By changing enough people at the top, you can change the system itself. Even if it was deliberately crafted to resist such changes. People are imperfect.

    • @ghoulbuster1
      @ghoulbuster1 Місяць тому

      The (masters) are evil, but also incompetent.

    • @GodOfGames523
      @GodOfGames523 29 днів тому

      ​@@TheLastScoot Just because a country has democracy doesn't mean it will have stability, democracy's aren't toppled down or collapse to authoritarianism just because the system randomly decides to, but rather because it has been unable to provide stability to it's citizens, and it's citizens are willing to break down democracy to earn stability
      If the master's house was built in a way that the master's tools could easily break, then the master's house was shoddy in the first place, you ever read on the history of democracies turned into dictatorships? You ever wondered why the U.S never worried about turning into a dictatorship?
      Russia in the 90's, Germany in the 30's, Italy in the 30's, all of them went from republics to dictatorships because their republics sucked fucking ass and were unable to provide even the most basic semblance of cohesion, the checks and balances of the republic could be easily circumvented or outright removed, and there was barely anything that could actually stop a dictatorship once it's head started coming out

  • @CramerGamer99
    @CramerGamer99 Місяць тому +39

    Regarding objectification- I don't necessarily think its bad on it's own in purely fictional contexts as long as you understand that, yes, it is bad in real contexts. Pretty much in the same way that I feel that murder or other crimes are totally fine in a totally fictional context (such as video games) as long as you understand that, yes, you shouldn't do that in real life. In whatever ballot boxes or systemic change that occurs to make the world a better place and limit or remove the possibility for things like the patriarchy that harms us all- I really hope that doesn't come at the collateral cost of ruining the ability of fiction portray or even indulge in problematic themes or content. I feel that would be limiting, unnecessary, and harmful to artistic freedom and expression.

    • @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch
      @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch Місяць тому +26

      You're entirely correct in your assessment, honestly the arguments against objectification in games sounds a lot like the old "Video games cause violence" discussions.

    • @CramerGamer99
      @CramerGamer99 Місяць тому +6

      @@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch I agree. I also agree with pretty much everything said in the video, but I do think this distinction about problematic things in fiction vs in reality is important and that striving for a better real world shouldn't also mean a "better" fictional world.

    • @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch
      @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch Місяць тому +9

      @@CramerGamer99 I also agree with most of the video, Moon Channel is great at putting things together and knowing when something is harmful to everyone rather than pretending it only hurts certain people. This video, while it has a few misses, is overall an excellent one.

    • @Yattayatta
      @Yattayatta Місяць тому +1

      I agree with this comment, there are several parts of the video that I find lacking though.

    • @augustuslunasol10thapostle
      @augustuslunasol10thapostle Місяць тому

      ⁠@@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch its pretty faulty but its a good video the logic is naive the hook of the game is sex what keeps the players around is sexual desire and that will always triumph over the message

  • @GhostlyNomad130
    @GhostlyNomad130 Місяць тому +7

    I'm so Happy to see this video. Its a fantastic edition to my Food for Thought Playlist!
    I wouldn't be too worried Moonie, Your audience is incredible at this kind of thought provoking self reflection, its what we come to you for after all.

    • @17-MASY
      @17-MASY 26 днів тому

      I still think that such games do more harm than good
      They condition males to treat hot females well to receive some form of compensation in return.
      But IRL they wouldn't care much about a girl who isn't hot, or out of their reach, or one who is not offering the services he thinks he's entitled to because he was a Nice guy.

  • @RealTal.
    @RealTal. Місяць тому +8

    Damn it's been a long time since I watched a 34 minute video in one sitting only to get rickrolled in the last 30 seconds

  • @luisreynamboarcos2958
    @luisreynamboarcos2958 Місяць тому +17

    Gacha games are just absolutely weird in the paradox they create. They are games that depend on selling you characters, literal comodification, and objectification, mostly of women as men are the bigger spenders. But becouse of this you have all this stories and characters that place women as powerfull competent fighters and leaders. In genshin impact for example, 5 out of the 7 gods of the world are women and almost every country we have been in is rulled by a woman. The only one that wasn't end up being an ilegitimate goberment that marginalized people of color, imposed horrendous laws against freedom of speach, created an invasive survailance sistem and tried to exploit the people they were suposed to rule to create a mechanical god out of a traumatized and exploited war criminal. That's one game. Fate Grand Order has some of the best narratives in the business often arround beautifull women in power becouse... well, they sell better so of course they must be the focus, same with Wuthering waves, same with Honkai impact and star rail, etc, etc, etc. What we have is a huge colection of stories and characters depicting strong, competent woman in positions of power that are sold to the players as this beautifull colection items. It's absolutely wilde, becouse as an almost exclusively gacha game payer, I have to come to terms with the fact that I do treat this representations of womanhood as both the most impresive artistic examples of the human spirit and as an object of sexual desire or at least as this rare colectables that I want to own just for the sake of it, like buying a cool figurine. And honestly, that tension is not found just in gacha games. Marble statues have the support of the artistic and academic cannon behind, but they are no diferent than a gacha character, in the end, an artistic representation of the best of humanity that exist only becouse it can be comodified at least enough for somebody to pay the artist to keep themself from diying from starvation as they can own that representation of the best of humanity just as I own my C2 Raiden Shogun. Right now my PC is under repairs so I can't play and I'm really sad both becouse I want to go back and experience the wonderfull stoires that are about to be released soon but also becouse I need to start saving so that I can own the characters I want to own, all of them women. This contradiction is wilde. (sorry for the bad english)

  • @bzipoli
    @bzipoli 10 днів тому +2

    you don't have to defend hasan, moon
    at least you didn't say "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism"

  • @muhnoodles
    @muhnoodles 29 днів тому +1

    Shift up never added bond stories to my beloved R units so I will remain unreasonably pissed, to hell with all the other characters, except Delta she's chill

  • @messypeter397
    @messypeter397 Місяць тому +5

    As a brazilian, while i do not live in the area affected and have no direct ties to the people suffering from the disaster, i would still like to give my heartfelt thanks to moon channel, all the people that donated and to this community in general.
    Thank you truly
    it may feel like a small change in a world this big
    but its life changing to someone out there, and thats the kind of thing that is always something worth striving to do

  • @Jiroxys25
    @Jiroxys25 Місяць тому +14

    This is the first Moon Channel video I have to wholeheartedly disagree with. I really do think the fact that you needed to censor so much of the basic gameplay and promotional materials gives away the game, so to speak. Media is more than its script or dialogue! One could make a film about war, featuring a warhawk protagonist and supporting cast that talks openly about the glory of combat and triumph over their enemies - yet through framing, visual and audio design, and uncountable other factors make it clear that the work as a whole is anti-war. It really seems like the opposite is happening in NIKKE. I have heard good things about NIKKE's story! But when I tried to play it I realized that no amount of skippable dialogue is going to balance out the hypersexualized characters who are always onscreen in the most degrading poses and animations possible - to say nothing of the monetization scheme baked into the game that further commodifies them. As is mentioned in the video, there is no female player character that can subvert the (hetero)male gaze that dominates the game. Everything in NIKKE is filtered through the eyes of men - even when congratulating the all-female combat team, the game heaps praise on the male commander for being relatively nice to his harem. Unless some later part of the story actually punishes players for thinking of their units as game abstractions or sex objects, it seems to me that NIKKE is content to pay lip-service to feminist ideas while it collects its paycheck from misogynists.
    This is one of the cases where I have to agree with Marshall McLuhan that the medium is the message. Try all you want to humanize the characters in your game, but if you're literally selling them for real-world currency then you're always incentivizing the player against that message. I'm reminded of the game Little Inferno by Tomorrow Corporation. It's built using the aesthetics and surface-level structure of predatory free-to-play games with the intent to satirize. Crucially, Tomorrow Corporation stops short of taking up the master's tools and never lets the player pay real money. If they had, the entire critique would trip and fall at the starting gate.

    • @Explosion-Brain
      @Explosion-Brain Місяць тому +2

      Thank you for saying this, you explain the issue very well! It's nice to know at least someone else out there understand :,)

    • @nicolasnamed
      @nicolasnamed 29 днів тому +3

      Totally agree with you, I hated the same shit in Persona 5 where it focuses on Ann's storyline about SA and grooming.....only to give this underage girl a bdsm inspired outfit and a 'maneater' persona, what the fuck???
      Persona 5 has a shit ton of problems with it's depiction of women despite trying to be at least a bit feminist.

    • @mysmallnoman
      @mysmallnoman 28 днів тому

      ​@@nicolasnamedit never tried to be feminist and Ann is fine you're just a snowflake

  • @EnriqueTDL
    @EnriqueTDL Місяць тому +2

    Thanks Moon, loving this continued dive into how...*waves hands* all of these complex topics interact. Your dulcet voice and excellent writing couldn't be a better guide.

  • @Rheitala
    @Rheitala 28 днів тому +2

    You have the most consistent way of having a video subject of something that I don't initially care for, but it stays in the back of my mind while other things come up in my life that make me think of it, until I eventually go back and watch for more information on a subject, finding an incredibly well-thought-out and insightful work.
    I've been sharing your videos wherever I can, you absolutely deserve to pop off.

  • @britishempire2501
    @britishempire2501 Місяць тому +10

    Wait, women were a real thing

  • @jorgenjorgensen2739
    @jorgenjorgensen2739 Місяць тому +1

    Heavy topic, good execution, and we got a surprise in the end? 10/10

  • @pandoriasbox
    @pandoriasbox 12 днів тому

    God Moony. You always bring a tear to my eye. I loved it.

  • @Plaprad
    @Plaprad Місяць тому +5

    Excellent video. I've been hoping it would come out since you had it on a poll a while back.
    I am one of those Gacha Gamers, Azur Lane and GFL mostly. I remember seeing ads for Nikke leading up to it's release and decided to check it out on day one.
    I was hooked by the end of the first chapter. I love it when the games actually show things through the characters eyes, and Nikke does a good job if you pay attention. I remember one scene you go into a store or cafe with Rapi, and the first thing you hear is a variation of "That thing has to wait by the door". I think that's when it hit what they were trying to do with the story. Lot's of little lines a dialogue most people don't even notice that tells a whole story.
    I'm actually pretty proud of the fanbase for once. While there's still a large portion just there for the "Cake", not that I can blame them. But there's also a lot who actually see the characters as characters. Not the usual "hot PNG's". Hell, there's even a fan comic I saw about Mass Production Nikkes developing their personalities.
    As for the last bit, I hope for the former as well. I've been to areas where things are decided by ballots, as well as places decided by bullets. That is something NO ONE wants. It never goes well for anyone involved, even when it's inevitable and for a good reason.

  • @Dolgan84
    @Dolgan84 Місяць тому +14

    Whew ..... for a moment there I thought we was going to say Pumpernickel and I was going to have to bail out.

  • @NathanielJordan85
    @NathanielJordan85 15 днів тому +1

    That last segment made me want to thumbs up the video all over again, but I can't give it 2 thumbs up... 😕

  • @Xenos_hive
    @Xenos_hive Місяць тому +2

    Quick thing mooney hunter gathering wasn’t split that evenly between biological sex

  • @ignacioperez5479
    @ignacioperez5479 Місяць тому +10

    Nikke is the game where you enter for the cake and you stay for the lore. Fuck, i cried at the end of the tutorial

  • @btdtpro
    @btdtpro Місяць тому +5

    The master's tools, the ones we need to work on are best summed up by Albert Einstein in his article, Why, Socialism, and by Immanuel Kant. Einstein mentions we humanity needing to move past it's "predatory phase", and I think Kant offers a good way to assess if someone is being predatory, "Act that you use humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as an end, never merely as a means". In many ways the patriarchy works around hierarchies designed to assess who should get the right to use others as a means to patriarch's ends, but no one should have that right.
    Some think the opposite of patriarchy is matriarchy, but that would just be new people picking up the master's tools. Not using the master's tools means no one is the master of others.
    One of the hardest parts of making a successful world with no one mastering others, is everyone needs to be able to convey and discuses their wants and needs in reasonable ways. People who live under systems with masters, are taught to live under masters, and a world without them would seems like a world that would not functions, since the master's have taught them, without us the world would not function. Though also, without master's a would might struggle to functions if people are unaware how to master themselves. The masters would like you to think it's lack of will power or intellect, but honestly most masters haven't mastered themselves, since using others and a means and extracting value from others does not equal self mastery.
    Sadly feminism in many situations go coopted, in that the patriarchy said, "what if we let women into the hierarchy", which is what Audre Lorde was warning against when she said, "The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House." and she followed up, "And this fact is only threatening to those women who still define the
    master's house as their only source of support.", but I would expand what she said, And this fact is only threatening to those women AND MEN who still define the master's house as their only source of support. Notice how many men have run to red pill spaces, in hopes that self proclaimed "alphas" will show them how to take power over others. What better example of men believing they aren't the master, but the idea of the master's house is their source of support. It is much easier to rob someone with a gun, than to find and negotiate with someone to find an exchange were both people feel happy and not as though someone has taken advantage of them. It will take more work to make a better world, but the reward is a better world.

  • @Chomperling
    @Chomperling Місяць тому +4

    Okay I love the video, but I do need to ask
    Whats the song at 4:58?
    Edit: Apromixmentally after 3 seconds of searching (aka using shazam) the song name is called "A.C.P.U! Freeze" Your welcome to anybody else searching for it

    • @MechaStorm7
      @MechaStorm7 Місяць тому +1

      Cosmograph, the lead composer for Nikke, posts his OSTs on his youtube channel. He has a very wide range of EDM genres.
      Another example is the song @31:42. It's also a Nikke OST called "Lovely lonely cat" and if my memory is correct, it's also composed by Cosmograph.
      One crazy example in my opinion is "I feel so alive". It's the goddamn in-game cash shop loop. It has no right being this good of a song for just an in-game shop.

    • @Chomperling
      @Chomperling Місяць тому

      @@MechaStorm7 really begs the question as to why gacha games have such good soundtracks lol.

  • @CobaltSpace
    @CobaltSpace 12 днів тому

    When you first announced this, I ended up just thinking about people complaining about snake being nerfed in smash ultimate, and wondering if people were being louder about it than about samus, or if it just stood out to me more.

  • @RonaldBradycptgmpy
    @RonaldBradycptgmpy Місяць тому +1

    The point about not being able to use the tools which created the problem to completely dismantle it as a particularly poignant one. I think the hope is that, when you see the problem in a way that you can digest, maybe if enough people experience that, together we can move the needle to a more productive place on the Spectrum. At least that tends to be what I think

  • @danymin5116
    @danymin5116 Місяць тому +58

    Elegg spotted.. I FUCKIN LOVE NIKKE RAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHH

    • @jackantharia
      @jackantharia Місяць тому +22

      certified neuron activation moment

  • @xXZynaXx
    @xXZynaXx Місяць тому +19

    I really like how you can take a topic and use it to educate about niche topics like how your video on gacha gender wars is mostly about Confucianism's impact on cultural norms and legislature.
    But this is giving "Is [pop star] a feminist? Is Mastercard a queer ally? Is this TV show my friend?"

    • @ggwp638BC
      @ggwp638BC Місяць тому +2

      It's a shorter video so he likely couldn't go as in-depth as he would want, and it feels a lot like an appendix or extre to the Gacha Gender Wars series. Still, I don't think it's as generic as you put it. This is still a video about patriarchy, about how media can help reinforce it or dismantle, how even minor jabs can be impactful but you still can't expect products of the patriarchy to undo it. It's not so much about whether or not Nikke is "feminist", but how Nikke as a case-example succeeds and fails to partake in the gender discourse.

  • @Suoly_
    @Suoly_ Місяць тому +14

    Very confused by the title, but always enthused to see a new moon channel video ^~^ can't wait to learn more from you

  • @Theironbloodcommander
    @Theironbloodcommander Місяць тому

    Beautiful video. I agree for the most part. And you were right, I probably would have never clicked the video if Nikke wasn't involved. This is giving me something to think about and i got to say your voice is soothing and easy to listen to. Thank you for making this video.

  • @TheBoboSamurai
    @TheBoboSamurai Місяць тому +1

    Very interesting idea for a video. As always, well executed 😁

  • @nathanialwoods8281
    @nathanialwoods8281 Місяць тому +25

    Oh, so Nikki has the same plot as Claymore just in a post-apocalypse cyberpunk.

    • @floffnie
      @floffnie Місяць тому +3

      ok now i gotta watch claymore for real

    • @AlexPerez-tt9ru
      @AlexPerez-tt9ru Місяць тому

      It's pretty good ​@@floffnie

    • @nathanialwoods8281
      @nathanialwoods8281 Місяць тому +6

      @@floffnie unfortunately the anime has it own ending and there are two important arcs it doesn't go into. However it is from the era where the dubs where decent.

    • @misterwachulochulo5262
      @misterwachulochulo5262 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@floffnieread the manga, anime has an anime original ending and its awful

    • @nathanialwoods8281
      @nathanialwoods8281 Місяць тому +2

      @@misterwachulochulo5262 It isn't that bad, it's just a little bit of a rushed boss fight that ends with with a vague tease for a 2nd season that never happened. That kinda mirrors the manga ending at least the last few minutes.

  • @int3r4ct
    @int3r4ct Місяць тому +1

    15:55 Moon, I didn't ask to be personally attacked like this I just wanted to know more about gacha games I've never played and learn about history and politics and stuff

  • @chillero3heftig712
    @chillero3heftig712 20 днів тому +1

    first video about nikke that wasnt like "cheap objectification buhuu"

  • @HeavensBane53
    @HeavensBane53 Місяць тому +15

    I'm going to give just a little pushback on the idea that patriarchy, and in a sense society itself, is solely constructed by men. Even if men, as the ones frequently in positions of power in society (not always, there were matriarchal societies), often had the most influence, it's more than a little sus to suggest 50% of the population don't play a huge role in creating social structures. It also ignores the power women often did have, the (usually unsung) role women had in shaping history and society, and the role women have in upholding the power structures and social norms of society, even societies where they are second class citizens.
    I would argue that framing patriarchy in such a way is at least part of why many viewers would balk at your use of the word. Patriarchy, especially in online discourse (being the dumpster fire it is), is sometimes treated as a system made by an evil cabal of men for the sole purpose of uplifting men and keeping women down, and your more reasonable framing of it still plays into this. You clearly understand this, since you push back against it yourself. Still, you could have just as easily said that people in power, who have the most influence on society, favor systems that keep them in power, and that those in power were usually men, and it'd have still gotten the point across (and better explained the likes of Queen Victoria). Plus, as I've seen other comments mentioning, it's wrong to say that men were hunters and women were gatherers, or that essentially men being in military = men being in power. Just look to how ironically matriarchal Sparta turned out when the wealth started getting concentrated in the hands of women to see how reductionist that idea is.
    This is not to take away from the overall point of the video, or that many aspects of society (theology, philosophy, science, etc) have historically been dominated by men to the exclusion of women. I just think it's one of the topics worthy of a little bit more nuance is all. Which, is also not to take away from the nuance you already did give the topic, either. You did a great job, and this is just me suggesting one thing you could have done even better, and maybe giving some people a little food for thought. And ultimately I will absolutely support the suggestion that eliminating systems of inequality is something that will benefit all of us, and that there are many valid and peaceful methods we can use to progress towards that goal.

  • @gothwolf13
    @gothwolf13 Місяць тому +35

    The "men were hunters, women were gatherers" thing is somewhat a myth. While it's true that this was the most common arrangement, studies of hunter-gatherer societies found that virtually all of them included people of all genders doing both to varying degrees. And while common, misogyny is cultural, and was not necessarily universal until colonialism. What's come to light in recent years is that a lot of archaeologists have projected their modern cultural expectations onto their studies, for example, sexing a skeleton as male purely because they were buried with hunting gear, and then using circular logic to make claims about gender roles within that society.

    • @elisabeth2166
      @elisabeth2166 Місяць тому +5

      Came here to say this. There's 0 evidence for "men hunted women stayed home." In fact hunting was the only sport in medieval European society where men and women competed as equals.

    • @nerdycookiegirl8423
      @nerdycookiegirl8423 Місяць тому +2

      Isolated island tribes irl: "I guess we're misogynistic then"

    • @augustuslunasol10thapostle
      @augustuslunasol10thapostle Місяць тому +1

      @@nerdycookiegirl8423 ….. its an almost universal thing for men to take power and start justifying it even in the tribal stage i dont get how you monkeys seem to miss that

    • @LR-jb6zn
      @LR-jb6zn Місяць тому

      go to papua and tell that to them, i bet they gonna laugh your ass off 😂

  • @DoumanAsh
    @DoumanAsh 8 днів тому +3

    People love to over-analyze things
    Humans can feel empathy even to objects so there is no subversion in NIKKE
    And plot of NIKKE is pretty logical as humans are generally social creatures which require empathy so conflict of empathy vs no-empathy pretty much obvious
    Unfortunately people, similarly to top brass of Ark, want to see their supremacy and impose their morality on people.
    And so we come to these people starting to over-analyze plot filled with common tropes as something greater than it is just to prove their fantasy
    Hierarchy is natural order of things, but people want to rebel against natural order because they want to feel superiority for their selfish reasons
    That's why we destroy good in our society either due to elderly decadence or youth naivete.

  • @niira8575
    @niira8575 Місяць тому

    got me with the outro there, wp!

  • @carllion
    @carllion Місяць тому +1

    the credit's gag thooo please watch if anyone sees this 32:50

  • @kilodori
    @kilodori Місяць тому +5

    Really great video
    A possible answer to the question being asked in the title is yes, but to a very small degree
    For example, I think that the vast majority of the NIKKE community would probably react negatively to this video (especially since you uttered the P word): just for reference, there is a part of this community that wanted to boycott the Last Kingdom event solely because the new free NIKKE, Kilo, was inside of a Mecha Unit (they couldn't care less about her backstory as to why that was the case or about anything else that wasn't her appearance (or lack thereof)) but if it's of any consolation there are also NIKKE players like myself that are, as you said, quite self-aware and that will therefore enjoy it a lot