After fighting with the stock guylines (particularly the vestibule doors), I had enough and used your video to make the upgrade. Thanks for the instructional video. Course, BA should just fix their standard outfitting and improve their customers' experience.
I’m glad it worked for you and completely agree with you. This should be standard. And they should really use a waterproof zipper on the vestibule and remove that dang flap lol.
Genius 😊 I own the Copper Spur HV UL2 but I haven’t set it up yet. As a matter of fact, I’ve never set up a tent. I’ve been putting it off because my dog is going to try to steal all the pieces for toys while I’m setting it up 🤣🤣🤣 I plan to leave her inside the house and set it up in the backyard a few times so she’ll learn it’s our home away from home. I’ll set mine up the factory way a few times first and then make all the guy lines you’ve invented. This is brilliant! I don’t know about tents yet but I have an engineering degree so I can appreciate what you’ve designed, what it accomplishes, and the advantage over the factory way even though I haven’t used it yet. (I bet gram weenies wouldn’t think it’s worth the extra “weight” 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 but IMO it absolutely is!!) Thank you!!!
Thanks for this! My B.A copper spur can use these tips too. I can't stand dealing with the doors of my vestibule and you made it so much BETTER. THANKS!
Glad you finally had a moment to upload this tutorial. The loop around the line lock 3 is called a girth hitch. This system is totally genius and incredibly efficient. I will definitely be modifying mine.
k2thah thank you. I’m so glad I did this. In practice it is so efficient and makes setting up so easy and effortless event when you can’t find the best of camp spots. A lot of times where I go there isn’t necessarily a “camp spot” haha so having the availability to adjust means even on bad terrain I can get a decent pitch and stay dry lol
I just ordered the parts from Z-Packs to modify my new Tiger Wall UL2 ... thanks so for this amazing video! Can't wait to get it all updated. I got the 2MM line since it will work for both the new smaller linelocs, and that's what I needed for the vestibule door hooks.
Hi Dana, I just bought a new TW UL 2 and confused as to what all to order as you mentioned things have changed. Can you please share the links and quantity please? or can email the details to nexus9900@gmail.com
Thank you, I’m glad you found the information useful. I was a bit nervous making this video haha not being sure if I would be able to articulate my actions well enough to understand lol. My wife watched it for me to make sure that it was sufficient.
Hey there! Just wanted to let you know I made all these mods and they are super awesome. I used the thinner line and smaller line locks from Zpacks, and it still worked great. Worked so well on the JMT where it can be tricky to stake sometimes because of all the granite! Thanks so much for doing this & making this video!
Backcountry Emily thet is so cool to hear! And if I had known they had smaller ones I totally would have done it haha these lines are a bit bulky. I’m also quite jealous of tour jmt hike!
Hey, I have been watching through your videos for some time and have finally gone ahead and made this modification. I ordered the parts for delivery to the UK and followed these instructions. I would say that I decided not to do the inner tent corners but did all the other suitable ones. I also did the vestibule modification which is awesome as I found my previous set up here with a peg to be quite frustrating. Would be great to see some more of your stuff! Thanks
This is great! I could use this for my tiger wall!! I’m not a night person but I would definitely have to practice :-). Too much common sense on the fly door fix. Love that thank you very much! 🙏
This mod played a part in my decision to go ahead and pick up this tent. Thanks for the thorough explanation. I hope BA kicks you a little something for helping so many of us improve their design. Also, just a heads up that the door hook link isn’t working anymore, but this product is still available on the Zpacks site. Cheers
Haha I’m sure BA has no idea I exist lol. I’m glad it’s helping you out. Thanks for letting me know about the link. I think that probably happens when they changed to their new website.
Just finished making these mods to my Tiger Wall. Huge thanks to Ahonui Outdoors for posting this video! And some additional thoughts.: (1) for the tent guy-outs, you don't need a clamp in order to even the tension between the upper and lower legs, you can just shift the Line Lodk 3 by adjusting the line through it; and (2) I'd recommend tying a simple knot in all the loose ends hanging out of the Line Locks, just to prevent them from slipping through. Otherwise, just follow the directions in the video! Works like a charm!
Glad it helped! And I’m with you, totally tie a knot on the end of the line. It’s annoying when it slips out of the line loc. especially on the vestibule hook lol.
On the corer, you can tie a slip knot at the triangle and a taut-line hitch to the stake. The rainfly can be one stright taut-line. No plastic, easier to adjust, and probably save a few milligram ^_^
I don’t know that I would say “easier to adjust” as the line lock three is quite easily adjusted using one hand in any situation, and I’m not a gram counter by any means lol. However, this method could for sure save you a few bucks on the linelocs and would be less bulky without all the added plastic. If you were any good with knots it may even save you line. (I’m not 🤣)
@@AhonuiOutdoors Doesn't it bother you it pulls tent corner up? Anyway, I think the original big triangle line looks OK if not for the fixed guy line. All you need is untie the upper, add a few inches to the tent loop, then use the existing line to tie an adjustable taut hitch around the new section. You only ever need to tie these knots once at home, doesn't have to be an expert. You can even make the lower adjustable so you don't have to worry too much about the stakes are
Great video. Thank you for those mods. My tiger wall ul3 just arrived. Will attempt of my modifications after work. I will let you know how they turn out.
Great video, thanks. If I got it right I will need six line lock 3s and two door hooks? Again thanks I just received my new tent and had read this was an issue. I will now be able to resolve it before I hit the trail , thanks to you. Take care.
Jonathan Isak I completely agree, I’m really not sure at all what they were thinking lol. Besides those 4 specific guy lines, and then sewing the twin flap on the fly directly up against the zipper so it catches all the time, this is my ideal shelter. I’ll be making a dyneema rainfly for it when I get back from the Colorado trail and I’ll be forgoing the zippers to solve that problem as well lol
Ahonui Outdoors My dream is to have a dyneema rain fly on this. Would solve all the sagging and readjusting issues in the rain. Would love to see how you get rid of the zippers. I’m a good seamstress myself, so it would just involve buying material, taking it apart for the pattern, and sewing a new one. Definitely post a video with photos from various stages of the process! I feel a winter project coming on
Kim D I am no good in a sewing machine at all lol but my wife is a quilter and is more than excited to help my with this project haha. She may even be more excited about it than I am. I will make a video of the process for sure
Kim D I actually don’t have any sagging or need for readjusting in the rain now that I have my adjustable lines that I can pull super taught on the first go
Had issue with my rainfly and floor fit after about 10 setups. His might be a little over my head, but I'm pretty sure I can figure it out. Thanks for some good guidance.
Good video. Convenient that your shop table is just the right size for your tent!! One thought. Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to simply run a single line with some slack between the two loops on each corner of the tent, and then tie your adjustable guy line onto that line so it can slide and find its own center? Would have saved you a lot of trial and error, and even with what you have, I'm thinking that if you pitch your tent on uneven ground and the angle to the stake changes, either the upper or lower line will go slack, whereas if the guy line was floating, it would find center and give even tension - like a bridle on a kite.
Heretic10001 it wasn’t quit big enough actually. Had to made little stick with nails on it to extend out to act as the “stakes” and clamp those to the table. But I definitely won’t complain about having the giant table lol. If you did what you have described here it would work but you would not be able to get good solid tention on the big net and make the bathtub floor pull out/ stand up as tall as it does. It would more be like you pinched the bathtub floor and the big net would sag. Uneven ground and position of the stake won’t cause the triangle portion to sag because those lengths never change as long as there is tension on them. The triangle doesn’t know what the ground situation only that it has tension from the same point of contact. The only thing that changes is how long or short the adjustable line is. That’s what makes the system so efficient. I’m sure at some point the system wouldn’t be able to handle the terrain but if it were that severe I probably shouldn’t have set up camp there lol.
If the length of the “bridle” between the upper and lower loops at each corner is equal to the sum of the lengths of your two fixed legs as you have it now, then you would have the exact same triangle you have now, which doesn’t pinch down the bathtub.
Heretic10001 I see what you are saying. I thought you just meant a shorter piece of cord. You could do this but you will not be able to make the triangle the length you want because can’t account for how much cordage your knots on either end will take up. One person that made this modification after my first video did what you have described which works fine but she was unable to control how long the triangle was. This won’t be sufficient if you want to be able to have the stake in a very particular location like I do because I want to set my ground sheet up first and it fits in a very particular location, if your not staying out your groundsheet at all and you can afford to not know where tour stake will be (initially, obviously it’s location won’t have to change once the line is made) but I don’t have the livery of that first guess, if that makes sense. I’m not sure I described that properly at all lol
Yes I think we’re still not quite on the same page. If the knot attaching the adjustable guy line to the “bridle” is simply AROUND the bridle, so it can slide on the bridle, then the triangle will control itself and you’ll always have good tension on both of the legs of it.
@@Heretic10001 yes, but I still need the triangle to fit between a specific length, from the body of the tent to the EXISTING stake. Lets just say 8 inches for ease. So I have a very particular total length that I can make the triangle in order to still have room for adjustment in this pre determined 8 inches. Seeing as I personally can not account for how much line each of the bowline knots attaching the line to the body, "not the bridal" I can not simply cut a pre determined length of cord, and still hope that when the bridal finds equilibrium within the random length of cord that I have cut, that it will still grant me enough room for adjustment in that 8 inch span. (if I could put the stake wherever I wanted, what your saying would work perfectly and only take minutes to complete). So if I can only have a specific length triangle "lets say 4 in for the bottom, halfway to the stake, and the length form one loop on the tent body to the other is 3in. Then the top of the triangle can only be 5in order to reach equilibrium. and since I don't know how much extra I will need to account for that top not, I must hold the linloc in place so i can get the length of the top of the triangle insuring i don't pass my "4 inches" on the bottom. Yes at this point i could still just run the line through the lineloc but if i still have to do all of the other steps why not just secure it in place properly while im at it. All that takes is a loop, and now the lineloc is secure and will work as intended rather than bing pulled at an angle from only being attached to the guy line by a 2mm cord which will will find its way to one corner of the 1/2 channel and pull it at an angle.
I’m sure you’ve already handled this but you can find them on zpacks website. I believe they have a new one now called the line loc v that replaced these. They are the same dimensions and work the same way the lock knot h is just a v now
Rather than the bowline attaching the guy line to the tent, does it make more sense to use a taut-line hitch so that you can adjust the tension directly there?
lol than you, Im glad you found the video useful, though I wouldn't go as far as genius. If that were the case I wouldn't have had so much trial and error 😂
I modified your solution and it seems to work. I left the pre-cut cords attached and just attached the end to the adjustable guy lines. I took pictures of it but don't see a way to add them to the comment. John from MI
jldrdotcom that way is sooooo much easier than my way for sure lol. I only did it this way because I needed this shorten the “triangle” because I only had a few inches between it and where the stake will be when I pre stake out my ground sheet. If your not setting it up like me then what I’ve done is just a waste of time and energy haha. I was doing a few different things all at once here. Glad your modifications are working out for you. It’s so nice to be able to pull everything right right??
Love the modification. One question: why did you not modify the guyline at the head-end of the tent with an adjuster? I know it ought to ride low, but I’ve often had to stake it pretty far out during a muggy storm or when two people are in it. I’ve also been wondering about adding guy lines on the foot side, on the attachment lines halfway up the tent. Those points are often where I find the fly touching the inner (and sharing condensation). Do you have the same problem and have you thought of a solution? I was thinking instead of staking each out to the side, I would join two guylined together toward the back and stake out toward the back, making a giant “Y” staked out 2-3’ past the tent. Excessive, but I would only use for storms.
Kim D it May be excessive but if it’s what you need it’s what you need haha. I have not found any need for the adjuster on the head end of the fly. I only ever used the tent in the backcountry after I made my adjustments to the fly so they may have eliminated the need? I’m not sure. I have also found that since I can pull my fly taught from any reasonable pitch that even in a long lasting heavy rain and hail (colorado lol) I did not experience sagging. At least not enough to even get close to the big net.
Great video... I have a question, if you untied the bowline knot on the foot guy lines to make it shorter why couldn't you just let some slack off the upper line and pull it out a bit since it's only larks headed on the line lock 3 connector? Maybe I'm missing a step or something. Seems if you just make a 1 foot loop hooked (throwing a # out) on both sides you could just adjust the length with the line lock 3 larks head? Just getting ready to do mine wanted to make sure.
you could definitely do that. It would have the same effect. However i was working within tight perimeters to be able to still have enough slack to tighten so I chose to shorten the lower over lengthening the upper, if that makes sense. ( sorry, for some reason i have a TON of commetns from around the time you left this that youtube didnt bother informing me about)
Beautiful workshop! Thanks for the video. I'm always making modifications to my equipment and I've been thinking about getting a BA Tiger Wall UL2. Now, if you can figure out a way to stop the rain fly's zipper from catching in the rain flap? 😉👍
This is going to fix the only frustrations I have had with my TigerWall! So happy. Just a heads up, the link for the Vestibule Door Hooks does not work.
Finally had time to do this today! Thank you for being so thorough and showing your hands. I am practically incapable of making knots haha. I feel like this is such a simple thing, but it took me almost 3 hours haha. Love it!!
Miya Hosaka Lol I’m glad you got it all worked out. Wait until you set it up in the backcountry and they there’s a heavy rainstorm and all you do is wake up and say “hmm, it’s raining...” roll over and go back to sleep without a worry! Lol that was me on the Colorado trail 3 nights in a row lol
So with this being a semi free standing tent, the head of the tent has its own support and tensioning system. Same with the center of the foot. However the corners of the foot have to be guyed out so there are two on the body there. Then 2 on the fly in the same place as the body, then one for each set of vestibule doors. The ones with the hooks. The ground sheet didn’t need any because you can just stake it out taught before you put up the tent and the adjustable guy pines will reach the stakes easy. Then you just pull the taught. Looks like a mess but it’s really smooth and easy
Thanks! Really like your review of the BA Tiger Wall vs Duplex and I am now one step closer to deciding on the BA Tiger Wall....have you looked at the drop x-mid 1P tent? Just curious as to what you think about that tent compared to this one.
Lilly Lo I have not looked at that shelter Before. I sadly have been out of the game for over a year so I’m probably waaaaaaaaaaay behind on the newer gear updates by now lol.
Lilly Lo oooohhh I do remember this shelter. I considered this one very strongly but at the time when I bought my duplex they were very hard to get ahold of from mass drop. They look like they have a really awesome design.
Sam Pese dual side entry doors and dual vestibules for when my son comes with me. I’m not a fan of the front entry shelters, just a personal preference. I here the fly creek is an awesome tent.
The only way a person could give this instructional video a thumbs down is you live under the bridge with the rest of the trolls. Thanks for the great video!!
This is such a great and helpful video. I'm interested in making these mods to my tent as well. Quick question: the link you provided to the lineloc 3 is not working. I'm curious, is the lineloc you used this: zpacks.com/products/lineloc-v-guy-line-adjuster? Thanks in advance!
Lori King hello. I hope these work well for you. These are not the ones I used because they didn’t have them back then haha but I think they are a good option as you can use a thinner line.
TheTrailDancer your not wrong lol. Sadly, I believe shaving the 3 grams on the adjustable hardware was the goal ...🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ I hope they take note and realize the adjustability is more important here lol
My apologies for the confusion. There is a note directly below the link explaining that the link defaults to the 1.3 and that you have to select the 2mm before purchasing as their website listing has a single listing with multiple options.
Much thicker. I just used the required line thickness from the Line loc 3s. They sell both on z packs website. My links are old though I don’t think they work anymore
thanks for the excellent tutorial man. i have a question abt the size of the guy line, do u think i cud go with a 1.3 mm or 1.2mm? or wud it be too slim?
I've been having issues with my tent and these modifications are exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for sharing!
Very glad to hear that! You would think these would just come adjustable. Just seems logical lol. I guess they wanted to save those grams? I dno lol
After fighting with the stock guylines (particularly the vestibule doors), I had enough and used your video to make the upgrade. Thanks for the instructional video. Course, BA should just fix their standard outfitting and improve their customers' experience.
I’m glad it worked for you and completely agree with you. This should be standard. And they should really use a waterproof zipper on the vestibule and remove that dang flap lol.
Genius 😊
I own the Copper Spur HV UL2 but I haven’t set it up yet.
As a matter of fact, I’ve never set up a tent.
I’ve been putting it off because my dog is going to try to steal all the pieces for toys while I’m setting it up 🤣🤣🤣
I plan to leave her inside the house and set it up in the backyard a few times so she’ll learn it’s our home away from home.
I’ll set mine up the factory way a few times first and then make all the guy lines you’ve invented.
This is brilliant! I don’t know about tents yet but I have an engineering degree so I can appreciate what you’ve designed, what it accomplishes, and the advantage over the factory way even though I haven’t used it yet.
(I bet gram weenies wouldn’t think it’s worth the extra “weight” 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 but IMO it absolutely is!!)
Thank you!!!
Very clear instruction! I don’t even have this tent but watched the whole thing anyway 😁
Great! Im glad you found the video entertaining enough to continue watching haha
Me too! 👍🏻
Thanks for this! My B.A copper spur can use these tips too. I can't stand dealing with the doors of my vestibule and you made it so much BETTER. THANKS!
So glad this helped you out. Send some pics over if you end up doing this to your copper spur
Very good. For such a freaking expensive tent you would think the linelocks would be on the tent
Or at least some sort of adjustments. That static line crap is annoying.
Glad you finally had a moment to upload this tutorial. The loop around the line lock 3 is called a girth hitch. This system is totally genius and incredibly efficient. I will definitely be modifying mine.
k2thah thank you. I’m so glad I did this. In practice it is so efficient and makes setting up so easy and effortless event when you can’t find the best of camp spots. A lot of times where I go there isn’t necessarily a “camp spot” haha so having the availability to adjust means even on bad terrain I can get a decent pitch and stay dry lol
I just ordered the parts from Z-Packs to modify my new Tiger Wall UL2 ... thanks so for this amazing video! Can't wait to get it all updated. I got the 2MM line since it will work for both the new smaller linelocs, and that's what I needed for the vestibule door hooks.
Dana Carlson very nice. That’s one problem with videos like this. Gear gets outdated fast lol. I hope the modifications serve you well.
Hi Dana, I just bought a new TW UL 2 and confused as to what all to order as you mentioned things have changed. Can you please share the links and quantity please? or can email the details to nexus9900@gmail.com
Hello my outdoors friend, thank you for sharing this fine video. You have great attention to detail. Be safe out there and always have fun.
Thank you, I’m glad you found the information useful. I was a bit nervous making this video haha not being sure if I would be able to articulate my actions well enough to understand lol. My wife watched it for me to make sure that it was sufficient.
Hey there! Just wanted to let you know I made all these mods and they are super awesome. I used the thinner line and smaller line locks from Zpacks, and it still worked great. Worked so well on the JMT where it can be tricky to stake sometimes because of all the granite! Thanks so much for doing this & making this video!
Backcountry Emily thet is so cool to hear! And if I had known they had smaller ones I totally would have done it haha these lines are a bit bulky. I’m also quite jealous of tour jmt hike!
Do mind sharing the size ?
That was awesome...thanks you for taking the time, and love your shop...much love from a fellow OCD woodpecker
Hahaha thank you
Hey, I have been watching through your videos for some time and have finally gone ahead and made this modification. I ordered the parts for delivery to the UK and followed these instructions. I would say that I decided not to do the inner tent corners but did all the other suitable ones. I also did the vestibule modification which is awesome as I found my previous set up here with a peg to be quite frustrating. Would be great to see some more of your stuff! Thanks
This is great! I could use this for my tiger wall!! I’m not a night person but I would definitely have to practice :-). Too much common sense on the fly door fix. Love that thank you very much! 🙏
Haha thanks man. I’ve used it about 15 or so times (haven’t been out much over the summer) and it hasn’t failed me yet.
This mod played a part in my decision to go ahead and pick up this tent. Thanks for the thorough explanation. I hope BA kicks you a little something for helping so many of us improve their design.
Also, just a heads up that the door hook link isn’t working anymore, but this product is still available on the Zpacks site.
Cheers
Haha I’m sure BA has no idea I exist lol. I’m glad it’s helping you out. Thanks for letting me know about the link. I think that probably happens when they changed to their new website.
I seen this video last year whenit came out , just ordered this tent yesterday and am rewatching the video so i know what and how to fix it.
Just finished making these mods to my Tiger Wall. Huge thanks to Ahonui Outdoors for posting this video! And some additional thoughts.: (1) for the tent guy-outs, you don't need a clamp in order to even the tension between the upper and lower legs, you can just shift the Line Lodk 3 by adjusting the line through it; and (2) I'd recommend tying a simple knot in all the loose ends hanging out of the Line Locks, just to prevent them from slipping through. Otherwise, just follow the directions in the video! Works like a charm!
Glad it helped! And I’m with you, totally tie a knot on the end of the line. It’s annoying when it slips out of the line loc. especially on the vestibule hook lol.
Look at that, what a difference! Thank you for sharing 🙏🏽
Thank you. Glad to share.
On the corer, you can tie a slip knot at the triangle and a taut-line hitch to the stake. The rainfly can be one stright taut-line. No plastic, easier to adjust, and probably save a few milligram ^_^
I don’t know that I would say “easier to adjust” as the line lock three is quite easily adjusted using one hand in any situation, and I’m not a gram counter by any means lol. However, this method could for sure save you a few bucks on the linelocs and would be less bulky without all the added plastic. If you were any good with knots it may even save you line. (I’m not 🤣)
@@AhonuiOutdoors Doesn't it bother you it pulls tent corner up? Anyway, I think the original big triangle line looks OK if not for the fixed guy line. All you need is untie the upper, add a few inches to the tent loop, then use the existing line to tie an adjustable taut hitch around the new section. You only ever need to tie these knots once at home, doesn't have to be an expert. You can even make the lower adjustable so you don't have to worry too much about the stakes are
Great video. Thank you for those mods. My tiger wall ul3 just arrived. Will attempt of my modifications after work. I will let you know how they turn out.
FOUCH FABS please do. Good luck! They have been a life saver in heavy rain and hail for me haha
Great video, thanks. If I got it right I will need six line lock 3s and two door hooks? Again thanks I just received my new tent and had read this was an issue. I will now be able to resolve it before I hit the trail , thanks to you. Take care.
It looks like he used 4, but I think I'll go with 6 and do the ground cloth also
@@thejoeybadger9429 Thanks
Great video series on this tent! Thank you!
Kathy Sheets no problem. I’m glad you enjoyed them.
@@AhonuiOutdoors I ended up just tying longer line onto the existing lines and it worked great. Maybe after summer I'll redo it nicely like yours.
Kathy Sheets I’m sure the longer line was definitely a welcome addition lol. I like the adjustables Mainly to be able to really stretch my rain fly.
@@AhonuiOutdoors I am going to add the adjustable peices soon. They sound perfect.
Great video, easy to follow and very informative. Thank you
Thank you so much! It turned out great!
Very glad to hear it!
Fantastic idea! Should have had adjustable from the manufacture. Thank you for sharing!
Jonathan Isak I completely agree, I’m really not sure at all what they were thinking lol. Besides those 4 specific guy lines, and then sewing the twin flap on the fly directly up against the zipper so it catches all the time, this is my ideal shelter. I’ll be making a dyneema rainfly for it when I get back from the Colorado trail and I’ll be forgoing the zippers to solve that problem as well lol
Ahonui Outdoors My dream is to have a dyneema rain fly on this. Would solve all the sagging and readjusting issues in the rain. Would love to see how you get rid of the zippers. I’m a good seamstress myself, so it would just involve buying material, taking it apart for the pattern, and sewing a new one. Definitely post a video with photos from various stages of the process! I feel a winter project coming on
Kim D I am no good in a sewing machine at all lol but my wife is a quilter and is more than excited to help my with this project haha. She may even be more excited about it than I am. I will make a video of the process for sure
Kim D I actually don’t have any sagging or need for readjusting in the rain now that I have my adjustable lines that I can pull super taught on the first go
Had issue with my rainfly and floor fit after about 10 setups. His might be a little over my head, but I'm pretty sure I can figure it out. Thanks for some good guidance.
Haha yeah it looks like a mess and was kind of hard to explain on video but once you get into it it’s actually really smooth and easy.
Thank you so much for making this video!!!
Glad I could help
Thank you for putting this together. Great video.
Jeremy Fransen no problem, thanks for watching. Hope you found it useful.
Great video!!!
Thank you!
This was SO helpful and EASY to follow! Thank you so much!
Glad you found the video useful! Hope the mods work out for you.
Super helpful... thanks.. I appreciate you...!
Glad to help
Nice - thanks for sharing.
Good video. Convenient that your shop table is just the right size for your tent!! One thought. Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to simply run a single line with some slack between the two loops on each corner of the tent, and then tie your adjustable guy line onto that line so it can slide and find its own center? Would have saved you a lot of trial and error, and even with what you have, I'm thinking that if you pitch your tent on uneven ground and the angle to the stake changes, either the upper or lower line will go slack, whereas if the guy line was floating, it would find center and give even tension - like a bridle on a kite.
Heretic10001 it wasn’t quit big enough actually. Had to made little stick with nails on it to extend out to act as the “stakes” and clamp those to the table. But I definitely won’t complain about having the giant table lol. If you did what you have described here it would work but you would not be able to get good solid tention on the big net and make the bathtub floor pull out/ stand up as tall as it does. It would more be like you pinched the bathtub floor and the big net would sag. Uneven ground and position of the stake won’t cause the triangle portion to sag because those lengths never change as long as there is tension on them. The triangle doesn’t know what the ground situation only that it has tension from the same point of contact. The only thing that changes is how long or short the adjustable line is. That’s what makes the system so efficient. I’m sure at some point the system wouldn’t be able to handle the terrain but if it were that severe I probably shouldn’t have set up camp there lol.
If the length of the “bridle” between the upper and lower loops at each corner is equal to the sum of the lengths of your two fixed legs as you have it now, then you would have the exact same triangle you have now, which doesn’t pinch down the bathtub.
Heretic10001 I see what you are saying. I thought you just meant a shorter piece of cord. You could do this but you will not be able to make the triangle the length you want because can’t account for how much cordage your knots on either end will take up. One person that made this modification after my first video did what you have described which works fine but she was unable to control how long the triangle was. This won’t be sufficient if you want to be able to have the stake in a very particular location like I do because I want to set my ground sheet up first and it fits in a very particular location, if your not staying out your groundsheet at all and you can afford to not know where tour stake will be (initially, obviously it’s location won’t have to change once the line is made) but I don’t have the livery of that first guess, if that makes sense. I’m not sure I described that properly at all lol
Yes I think we’re still not quite on the same page. If the knot attaching the adjustable guy line to the “bridle” is simply AROUND the bridle, so it can slide on the bridle, then the triangle will control itself and you’ll always have good tension on both of the legs of it.
@@Heretic10001 yes, but I still need the triangle to fit between a specific length, from the body of the tent to the EXISTING stake. Lets just say 8 inches for ease. So I have a very particular total length that I can make the triangle in order to still have room for adjustment in this pre determined 8 inches. Seeing as I personally can not account for how much line each of the bowline knots attaching the line to the body, "not the bridal" I can not simply cut a pre determined length of cord, and still hope that when the bridal finds equilibrium within the random length of cord that I have cut, that it will still grant me enough room for adjustment in that 8 inch span. (if I could put the stake wherever I wanted, what your saying would work perfectly and only take minutes to complete). So if I can only have a specific length triangle "lets say 4 in for the bottom, halfway to the stake, and the length form one loop on the tent body to the other is 3in. Then the top of the triangle can only be 5in order to reach equilibrium. and since I don't know how much extra I will need to account for that top not, I must hold the linloc in place so i can get the length of the top of the triangle insuring i don't pass my "4 inches" on the bottom. Yes at this point i could still just run the line through the lineloc but if i still have to do all of the other steps why not just secure it in place properly while im at it. All that takes is a loop, and now the lineloc is secure and will work as intended rather than bing pulled at an angle from only being attached to the guy line by a 2mm cord which will will find its way to one corner of the 1/2 channel and pull it at an angle.
Great video on adjustable guy lines. Where can I find those linelock 3 tensioners? Thank you!
I’m sure you’ve already handled this but you can find them on zpacks website. I believe they have a new one now called the line loc v that replaced these. They are the same dimensions and work the same way the lock knot h is just a v now
Rather than the bowline attaching the guy line to the tent, does it make more sense to use a taut-line hitch so that you can adjust the tension directly there?
You know, yes…. 🤦🏻♂️🤣 that would save time, hardware and length. Knowing knots is a valuable asset.
Brilliant - thanks for sharing!
Yes!!! Thank you!! 🙏🏼👍🏼 You’re a genius!!! 😄
lol than you, Im glad you found the video useful, though I wouldn't go as far as genius. If that were the case I wouldn't have had so much trial and error 😂
Well done Sir.
Thank you
Nice instruction. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you, I hope it was helpful to you.
@@AhonuiOutdoors I ordered supplies from zpacks.com....they should market the Ahonui Fix UR Tent KIt. ..and send you free stuff.
@Joe Cross that would be hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
I modified your solution and it seems to work. I left the pre-cut cords attached and just attached the end to the adjustable guy lines. I took pictures of it but don't see a way to add them to the comment. John from MI
jldrdotcom that way is sooooo much easier than my way for sure lol. I only did it this way because I needed this shorten the “triangle” because I only had a few inches between it and where the stake will be when I pre stake out my ground sheet. If your not setting it up like me then what I’ve done is just a waste of time and energy haha. I was doing a few different things all at once here. Glad your modifications are working out for you. It’s so nice to be able to pull everything right right??
@@AhonuiOutdoors It sure is. John
I did the same thing jldrdotcom...I will test it this weekend, but it sure seems like it would work. Thanks for sharing. Simple is better for me.
i wouldnt see any reason for this solution not to work. It has the same concept as what I have done, should work exactly the same way honestly.
Killed it!
Thank you
Love the modification. One question: why did you not modify the guyline at the head-end of the tent with an adjuster? I know it ought to ride low, but I’ve often had to stake it pretty far out during a muggy storm or when two people are in it. I’ve also been wondering about adding guy lines on the foot side, on the attachment lines halfway up the tent. Those points are often where I find the fly touching the inner (and sharing condensation). Do you have the same problem and have you thought of a solution? I was thinking instead of staking each out to the side, I would join two guylined together toward the back and stake out toward the back, making a giant “Y” staked out 2-3’ past the tent. Excessive, but I would only use for storms.
Kim D it May be excessive but if it’s what you need it’s what you need haha. I have not found any need for the adjuster on the head end of the fly. I only ever used the tent in the backcountry after I made my adjustments to the fly so they may have eliminated the need? I’m not sure. I have also found that since I can pull my fly taught from any reasonable pitch that even in a long lasting heavy rain and hail (colorado lol) I did not experience sagging. At least not enough to even get close to the big net.
Great video... I have a question, if you untied the bowline knot on the foot guy lines to make it shorter why couldn't you just let some slack off the upper line and pull it out a bit since it's only larks headed on the line lock 3 connector? Maybe I'm missing a step or something. Seems if you just make a 1 foot loop hooked (throwing a # out) on both sides you could just adjust the length with the line lock 3 larks head? Just getting ready to do mine wanted to make sure.
you could definitely do that. It would have the same effect. However i was working within tight perimeters to be able to still have enough slack to tighten so I chose to shorten the lower over lengthening the upper, if that makes sense. ( sorry, for some reason i have a TON of commetns from around the time you left this that youtube didnt bother informing me about)
Heck yeah great video!!!!
Thank you. I’m glad it’s being well received. I was worried it was all gibberish lol
Thanks for the excellent video! John from MI
jldrdotcom no problem. I’m glad you found it informative
Thanks!
Beautiful workshop!
Thanks for the video. I'm always making modifications to my equipment and I've been thinking about getting a BA Tiger Wall UL2.
Now, if you can figure out a way to stop the rain fly's zipper from catching in the rain flap? 😉👍
Nicholas Gambeli 🤦🏻♂️bane of my existence lol
You did answered all my questions. 😃
Awesome! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for doing this! I was really curious about how you did it.👍🏼
OkBlueLineStrong good! I’m really glad people are liking this video. I was curious how it would be received. It’s a bit different than my usual
This is going to fix the only frustrations I have had with my TigerWall! So happy. Just a heads up, the link for the Vestibule Door Hooks does not work.
Miya Hosaka I’m glad you found this useful. Yeah, I made this video and that link before slacks updated their website haha. Thank you
Finally had time to do this today! Thank you for being so thorough and showing your hands. I am practically incapable of making knots haha. I feel like this is such a simple thing, but it took me almost 3 hours haha.
Love it!!
Miya Hosaka Lol I’m glad you got it all worked out. Wait until you set it up in the backcountry and they there’s a heavy rainstorm and all you do is wake up and say “hmm, it’s raining...” roll over and go back to sleep without a worry! Lol that was me on the Colorado trail 3 nights in a row lol
Neat! It is supposed to rain this weekend and I am camping in the backyard. I will get to experience it very soon! Haha
WOW...Thanks a bunch for sharing...Subscribed :)
Absolutely, thanks for tagging along
How many did you use between the body and fly? Did you not require them on your footprint?
So with this being a semi free standing tent, the head of the tent has its own support and tensioning system. Same with the center of the foot. However the corners of the foot have to be guyed out so there are two on the body there. Then 2 on the fly in the same place as the body, then one for each set of vestibule doors. The ones with the hooks. The ground sheet didn’t need any because you can just stake it out taught before you put up the tent and the adjustable guy pines will reach the stakes easy. Then you just pull the taught. Looks like a mess but it’s really smooth and easy
Thanks! Really like your review of the BA Tiger Wall vs Duplex and I am now one step closer to deciding on the BA Tiger Wall....have you looked at the drop x-mid 1P tent? Just curious as to what you think about that tent compared to this one.
Lilly Lo I have not looked at that shelter Before. I sadly have been out of the game for over a year so I’m probably waaaaaaaaaaay behind on the newer gear updates by now lol.
Lilly Lo oooohhh I do remember this shelter. I considered this one very strongly but at the time when I bought my duplex they were very hard to get ahold of from mass drop. They look like they have a really awesome design.
@@AhonuiOutdoors Thanks! Get back in the game...you do great reviews!
Any reason you went for the Tiger wall rather than the Fly creek?
Sam Pese dual side entry doors and dual vestibules for when my son comes with me. I’m not a fan of the front entry shelters, just a personal preference. I here the fly creek is an awesome tent.
Do line lock 3's also work with 3mm cords with this setup? Thank you.
Yup, the do. They work with 2mm-3mm cord
The only way a person could give this instructional video a thumbs down is you live under the bridge with the rest of the trolls. Thanks for the great video!!
vboch1 🤣🤣🤣 thank you. I’m glad that it’s helping so many people out there.
Thank you for sharing the tutorial! How many Line Loc 3's did you use?
Kristian Sloth no problem, I used 4 stand alone linelocs and 2 that were pre attached to the door clips.
Mark awesome. I hope it works out as well for you as it has me. I don’t regret switching to this shelter at all
Thank you.
N Q no problem. I hope you found the video helpful
This is such a great and helpful video. I'm interested in making these mods to my tent as well. Quick question: the link you provided to the lineloc 3 is not working. I'm curious, is the lineloc you used this: zpacks.com/products/lineloc-v-guy-line-adjuster? Thanks in advance!
Lori King hello. I hope these work well for you. These are not the ones I used because they didn’t have them back then haha but I think they are a good option as you can use a thinner line.
@@AhonuiOutdoors Awesome, you've been a big help! Thank you for getting back to me and wish me luck on my mods!
Looks like slacks not selling the lineloc 3 anymore and replaced with the lineloc V...Hope they are interchangeable ;-)....
They are for sure. The only thing that changed was the notch that locks the line is joe a v shape. Holes tighter
Great vid bro!!! However, BA should include this in the tent automatically, especially $400. :(
TheTrailDancer your not wrong lol. Sadly, I believe shaving the 3 grams on the adjustable hardware was the goal ...🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ I hope they take note and realize the adjustability is more important here lol
Bought the 1.3 mm line the link takes you to and is too small. Ordering the 2.0 mm now
My apologies for the confusion. There is a note directly below the link explaining that the link defaults to the 1.3 and that you have to select the 2mm before purchasing as their website listing has a single listing with multiple options.
Is the replacement cord you are using, thicker than that which came on the Big Agnes? How did you decide which mm size cord to buy?
Much thicker. I just used the required line thickness from the Line loc 3s. They sell both on z packs website. My links are old though I don’t think they work anymore
thanks for the excellent tutorial man. i have a question abt the size of the guy line, do u think i cud go with a 1.3 mm or 1.2mm? or wud it be too slim?
You could absolutely go with that line. Just make sure your adjusters are sized to match and your ready to roll