Tack så jättemycket för dina intressanta reportage och upplysningar om vad egentligen hände med MS Estonia och dom borde saktat ner båten Estonia och inte köra så väldigt fort så hade katastrofen inte inträffat och alla människor hade klart sej.
Tack för dina inlägg o reportage upplysningar som du gör om dessa saker som hände egentligen med Estonia. Undrar bara varför Estonia sjunk så snabbt efter smällarna som många överlevande pratar om.🤔😐🙏😥
Kul att du uppskattar det jag gör! Efter smällarna kommer slagsidan, hon sjunker inte direkt. Man kan säga att det tar ca 50 minuter från smällarna/slagsidan tills hon sjunker. Att slagsidan uppstod så hastigt beror ju på att det fanns mycket vatten på bildäcket.
How does this story fit to the official mayday call and listing of 20-30 degrees at 1:24? And second, if the visor was lost already at 0.45 - about 30 minutes earlier to the official report than the official finding position of the visor does not make any sense. The ship had a velocity of 14 knots at least, which sums up to 26 km/h. In 30 minutes there is 13 km difference between point at time 0.45 and position at time 1.15. So the visor position must have been 13 km earlier on the route. If the visor was lost later why just 2 heavy bangs, was he muted since banging and if so by what? If loosing the visor caused the banging, why did Sillaste see after the banging a leaking but not open ramp? What should have pulled the ramp open after visor loss? The visor could not pulled open the ramp in this scenario, because the visor was already lost.
The visor was not lost at 00:45 but aroung 01. Thats when a lot of people heard 2-3 bangs. It is impossible to say how many bangs it were. My interpretation of the testomonies is that Sillaste saw the ramp after it was closed again by the huge waves. He was not in the ECR when the list occured. Probably he missed the ramp being fully open. But it has been fully opend. The damages on the under side showes that. The hydraulic cylinders on the ramp are stretched out a bit and the connections to the ramp are broken.
@@Estoniaveckan 1) You cannot pick the cherries. That is not how evaluating evidence works. Saying not knowing about how many bangs and then using the same testimonies of the bangs to say it was 1.00. That is extremely manipulative. In this way you can use any evidence parts you like and mix it up to concoct every story you would like. That is why outside of North Korea nobody would evaluate evidence in such a careless fashion. 2) Your scenario - never mind, but it is physically ridiculous. a) If the ramp was just a few minutes open, then it is impossible for enough water to come in in such a short time to make it sink so fast. For comparison reason: The Gustloff was 3x/ thriced-torpedoed and had 3 holes completely under the waterline, each hole as big as a house - fully open up the hull - and it needed 50 minutes - also in storm to sink. Then you come and say the ramp - nedre kanten starting 2 meters completely above the water line was just a few minutes open that is why Sillaste not seeing it open. You say through that hole of a little garage size completely 2 m over the waterline in storm should come in such water masses in a few minutes before waves pushing it from the portside up - however this should happen,- that this ship should sink almost in half the time, stern first. Unbelievable. You realize how ridiculous and incredible otherworldly this sounds. It is crazy and fantasy. b) To satisfy my immense curiosity how on earth shall this waves of 3-4 meters push up the ramp from the portside so up as Sillaste draws? without further banging and without movement of the ramp to the rythm of the pushing waves. c) Just for having inappropriate fun with your scenario. If the visor was lost on 1.00 (time). Than it does not make any sense with the finding location of the visor. Was the 56 tons heavy visor swimming about 7 kilometers after the ship or seabed-wandering alone in the dark to his location? Pray-tell. d) Your scenario does not fit the mayday call, listing degrees. e) How do you know when the ramp connections were broken and when the hydraulic cylinders were stretched? Can happen during impact on seabed according to your Swedish experts.
I read the multiple transcripts and reports both official and conspiracy on the subject and think the engineering crew , mainly the 3 that survived know what really happened. I think any intelligent person would agree that there was many things that happened which make the official report. The interesting thing is the crew basically used the hand held radios to get off and managed to get from low decks to top deck before a serious list would prevent it. No way did they man their posts when some event occurred, visors, bombs, collisions etc etc. they knew immediately and saved themselves
HSVA has anaylized the witness statements from the ECR. Their conclusion is that they left earlier than they say in their testimonies. They were in the ECR when the list occured but left a few minutes later. You can compare it with the passangers on the same deck. They left shortly after the list and survived. If they would have stayed as long as they say in their tesitmonies they would'n have survived likely. But you can draw some conclusions from what they say. They see no water in the ECR or in the workshop. One of the holes in the hull is likley placed in the workshop were the motorman was at the time for the list.
@@Estoniaveckan Yes, they understood the likelihood of the serious event. My guess was their location and times didn’t make sense and like you say, couldn’t have been.
@@Estoniaveckan I was just about to mention that quite clearly some of their Testimony is 100% Fabrication time wise! I mean after all how can you climb a Ladder when the ship is on it's side? Also if the Ship is Clearly sinking and has already Heeled over onto it's side why when the Bridge has issued an "Abandon Ship" Command would you then go to look and see what the Emergency Generator is doing? Also I like the Henrik Sillaste Evidence because whn he's interviewed by the Media he says basically he sees Water streaming in from the Bow Door! However when Jutta Rabe interviewed him and the Other "Witness" he tells her and Draws a Picture saying "the Ramp was never open only small amounts Spraying in each side of the Ramp" but nowhere near enough to Capsize and Sink a Ship the Size of MS Estonia it appears to me being an outsider that he is telling people what they want to hear (that's my opinion) anyway keep up the good work sir i'm certainly intrigued more than ever about the Estonia now back in 94 we in Britain just saw it as another Ferry Capsizing as we had had the "HERALD OF FREE ENTERPRISE" Disaster at Zeebrugge 6 1/2 years previous to the Loss of the Estonia! This is the first time I've really taken a deeper look into the Sinking and thanks to Henrik's Documentary we have now got evidence that all is not right with JAIC report! Personally i think it's Somewhere between the JAIC & GGE Reports! I think she sank with her visor on and it was Blown off after she was on the bottom! (Again that's my honest opinion) I love these videos you do even though I am English many of your works have subtitles in English which is Awesome for me the more information we have out there gives us Knowledge..... and that Knowledge allows us to make up our own minds or our own theories! THANK YOU so much
@@simonreeves828 kind.of suspicious how they also kept changing their stories/timelines and retracting their own original statements throughout their interviews
@@bonistik The truth you (your brain) always remember, a lie is hard to remember because your brain is told by you it's a lie and easier forget it, when you lie you not only fooling the investigator, you are fooling yourself as well.
I'm not really sure of what you mean by time, but I guess you mean how long it was between that the crew saw that water was entering the ship and the 90 degree list. Probably around 30-35 minutes.
The Vile Truths of Korea's Sewol Ferry Tragedy (Part 1: Cowards in Command) sjekk denne videoen på YT, innholdet jeg påpeker begynner ved ca. 25:00.... I denne videoen sies det at Sewol ble liggende å flyte med bulben i overflaten helt til "nightfall", solnedgang 16 April i Korea/Seoul er ca. kl. 1800 på kvelden........
Even the Jan Heweliusz. Fast capsizing, but slow sinking. That is how ferries with water over the waterline sink. In case of the Estonia it was vice versa. Slow capsizing, fast sinking. Banging around 1.00, but at 1.24 during mayday call just 20-30 degrees listing. Sinking around 1.45. Shortly after capsizing completely.
Actually the capsize of Jan Heweliusz was not that fast according to different sources on the internet. According to swedish wikipedia, 04:45 she sent the first mayday with a list on 30 degrees and 05:27 she sent her last mayday. On the english wikipedia the times are a little different but it took around one hour from the first mayday to the time when she turned upside down. On this site www.faktaomfartyg.se/jan_heweliusz_1977.htm the times are different also but it looks like it took around one hour for the ship to capsize and turn upside down.
@Estoniakatastrofen två frågor: 1) Vet du vilken hytt Sillaste bodde i? 2) Har du koll på om den "mojäng" i ECR som visade slagsida, visade den även för/akterlig trim?
Som svar på nr 2 kallas "mojängen" som mäter slagsidan för klinometer och nej. Den mäter bara slagsidan. Trimmet får man läsa av på trimmätaren. Både klinometern och trimmätaren finns även på bryggan och på vissa färjor på bildäck så att lastansvarig styrman kan se hur fartyget ligger och fördela lasten därefter om det ej finns heelingtankar ombord. Dock är heelingtankar standard på de flesta moderna färjor. Trimmet justeras ofta med hjälp av piktankarna för-och akterut.
Hej, tyvärr vet jag inte det. I förhöret den 28/9 med finska polisen ritar han in hytten på en planritning, men den finns inte bifogad tyvärr och han nämner inte heller något nr bara att den låg på däck 7. Jag vet tyvärr inte om mätaren visade förlig och akterlig trim.
@@Estoniaveckan Det är egentligen av ringa betydelse exakt var på däck sju han bodde. 15 minuter från att han blev väckt tills han nådde sewage treatment låter väl som en rätt rimlig tid? Tids/slagsida-uppgifterna därefter blir mer ologiska.
@@janbanan7768 Strålande! Jag har som devis att lära mig en ny sak varje dag och tack vare ditt svar nådde jag målet även idag! Kan man anta att en trimmätare finns i närheten av klinometern inne i ECR?
Det utredde man mellan 2006-2008 och kom fram till att vattnet kunde ta sig ner under bildäcket i första hand genom ventilationen, sedan via dörrar/hissar i center casingen på bildäcket.
Probably wasn’t fully open. Calculations estimate that for the ship to roll that fast it would have had to take on something like 7000m cubed of water per minute. It had a leak somewhere else too.
Sillaste såg aldrig rampen öppen sannolikt, inte helt öppen. Som jag tolkar det öppnades den innan han kom till ECR. Det han ser är en delvis öppen ramp, förmodligen har den slagit igen innan han kom till ECR.
@@80AFT av folk ur besättningen som har gått nere i visiret. Det har pratats om att man behövde hamra på Atlantlåset för att det skulle stängas helt t ex.
Considering the way you can see Russia behaving in Ukraine, I hope you are really reconsidering your position on the likelihood they would attack a boat like this.
If some evidence turns up that suggest that the accident was no accident but a sabotage, I can change my mind. If it turns out that the holes on the starboard side for example was caused by some sort of explosions, then we have to take it from there. But we are not there yet.
@@Estoniaveckan What scratching causes a blackening of metal? Look at car crasses and crushed cars. However, as soon as they burn they turn to rust just like appears in the footage. Those aren't impact damage, they involve fire.
You can see a similiar blackening of the metal around the damages on the fore ship also. However, during the investigation this spring they will test those areas to find out what it is. Guess we will have the answere then.
@@Estoniaveckan Not necessarily as this was political from the beginning. You have Carl Bildt, who has been interested in retrieving all the good stuff from the former Soviet Union for years, who is digging deep into "it was the bow visor" explanation. Sweden is currently having drones explore its nuclear sites, Russian planes come into the airspace and has had a nuclear sub grounded next to its own Submarine base in Kalmar in the 80s. As you can see from the fighting in Ukraine, the Russian tactics are simple. They send in advanced teams of saboteurs from their vast resources of military/mafia, who have no morals whatsoever. They kill people, set traps, spot and go around trying to cause as much damage as possible before they escape or get caught. These are the kinds of people who have been available to do a job like the Estonia for years. All you need is 6-12 people like this to go on board, take hostages, hijack a ship. They make some demands, get refused, blow a few charges, ask again, refused, blow some more. Then they are already on the port side ready to do some looting as was common at the time on all public transport in Russia. You don't tend to steal things if you don't think you can use them, so they probably knew how to get off. Considering, interestingly, Sorman was a former diver, he faired quite well in the water. If these hijackers had also some military experience, they'd probably be more than aware how to get off and where to head to. Risky? Yes, but it has been a common tactic to go to prisoners, for example, who have nothing to lose, and give them a choice "you can go out for some fun or stay in prison.. .what would you prefer?" You have the claims there was a man on the bridge with a tattooed hand. This is entirely consistent with Russian prisons and mafias. You have the fact Russia offered to search the ship for airbubbles and take survivors, which Sweden refused. Why? Russian subs with James Cameron had just filmed cinema quality footage on the Titanic. Why didn't they want Russian cameras onboard? Instead, they wait a few days and send down equipment with bad quality video? There are many many indications this is not what it seems. The aftermath is one of them. The murder of the Estonian toll chief by a Russian speaker, who was then busted out of hospital by Russians. The suicide in front of a train by the Estonian owner of the boat... There's a lot of odd coincidences. The crew and others have alleged convincingly that Estonia was a smuggling ship, it was used for drugs, weapons, advanced tech, prostitution, human trafficking etc etc. The other thing to note is that hijacking and scuttling ships is a very normal practice, even if not between Finland and Sweden. Going to the straits of Hormuz, you have large amounts of occasions when ships have been attacked either for intimidation or to block them. That is why the British and American militaries patrol there. At one time, the British navy was spoofed and were abducted by Iranians. Limpet mines, bombs, missiles, etc etc are used in this area, to name but one. What gets into the papers is a tiny proportion no doubt. The same motive is behind it. To humiliate the opponent, get revenge or settle scores. As you can see now, Russia is flying its drones around nuclear reactors, entering Swedish airspace and that is just now. Imagine what they have done in the past? You have the constant sub incursions, not forgetting the one that got stuck on rocks. By no stretch of the imagination would they not be involved in something as terrible as this.
Tack så jättemycket för dina intressanta reportage och upplysningar om vad egentligen hände med MS Estonia och dom borde saktat ner båten Estonia och inte köra så väldigt fort så hade katastrofen inte inträffat och alla människor hade klart sej.
Hade dom kört långsammare så kanske inte katastrofen hade inträffat just då nej
Tack för dina inlägg o reportage upplysningar som du gör om dessa saker som hände egentligen med Estonia. Undrar bara varför Estonia sjunk så snabbt efter smällarna som många överlevande pratar om.🤔😐🙏😥
Kul att du uppskattar det jag gör! Efter smällarna kommer slagsidan, hon sjunker inte direkt. Man kan säga att det tar ca 50 minuter från smällarna/slagsidan tills hon sjunker.
Att slagsidan uppstod så hastigt beror ju på att det fanns mycket vatten på bildäcket.
How does this story fit to the official mayday call and listing of 20-30 degrees at 1:24?
And second, if the visor was lost already at 0.45 - about 30 minutes earlier to the official report than the official finding position of the visor does not make any sense. The ship had a velocity of 14 knots at least, which sums up to 26 km/h. In 30 minutes there is 13 km difference between point at time 0.45 and position at time 1.15. So the visor position must have been 13 km earlier on the route.
If the visor was lost later why just 2 heavy bangs, was he muted since banging and if so by what?
If loosing the visor caused the banging, why did Sillaste see after the banging a leaking but not open ramp?
What should have pulled the ramp open after visor loss? The visor could not pulled open the ramp in this scenario, because the visor was already lost.
The visor was not lost at 00:45 but aroung 01. Thats when a lot of people heard 2-3 bangs. It is impossible to say how many bangs it were.
My interpretation of the testomonies is that Sillaste saw the ramp after it was closed again by the huge waves. He was not in the ECR when the list occured. Probably he missed the ramp being fully open. But it has been fully opend. The damages on the under side showes that. The hydraulic cylinders on the ramp are stretched out a bit and the connections to the ramp are broken.
@@Estoniaveckan 1) You cannot pick the cherries. That is not how evaluating evidence works. Saying not knowing about how many bangs and then using the same testimonies of the bangs to say it was 1.00.
That is extremely manipulative. In this way you can use any evidence parts you like and mix it up to concoct every story you would like. That is why outside of North Korea nobody would evaluate evidence in such a careless fashion.
2) Your scenario - never mind, but it is physically ridiculous.
a) If the ramp was just a few minutes open, then it is impossible for enough water to come in in such a short time to make it sink so fast.
For comparison reason:
The Gustloff was 3x/ thriced-torpedoed and had 3 holes completely under the waterline, each hole as big as a house - fully open up the hull - and it needed 50 minutes - also in storm to sink.
Then you come and say the ramp - nedre kanten starting 2 meters completely above the water line was just a few minutes open that is why Sillaste not seeing it open.
You say through that hole of a little garage size completely 2 m over the waterline in storm should come in such water masses in a few minutes before waves pushing it from the portside up - however this should happen,- that this ship should sink almost in half the time, stern first. Unbelievable.
You realize how ridiculous and incredible otherworldly this sounds. It is crazy and fantasy.
b) To satisfy my immense curiosity how on earth shall this waves of 3-4 meters push up the ramp from the portside so up as Sillaste draws? without further banging and without movement of the ramp to the rythm of the pushing waves.
c) Just for having inappropriate fun with your scenario. If the visor was lost on 1.00 (time). Than it does not make any sense with the finding location of the visor. Was the 56 tons heavy visor swimming about 7 kilometers after the ship or seabed-wandering alone in the dark to his location? Pray-tell.
d) Your scenario does not fit the mayday call, listing degrees.
e) How do you know when the ramp connections were broken and when the hydraulic cylinders were stretched? Can happen during impact on seabed according to your Swedish experts.
Okey, how do you explain the visor, the list and the sinking?
I read the multiple transcripts and reports both official and conspiracy on the subject and think the engineering crew , mainly the 3 that survived know what really happened. I think any intelligent person would agree that there was many things that happened which make the official report. The interesting thing is the crew basically used the hand held radios to get off and managed to get from low decks to top deck before a serious list would prevent it. No way did they man their posts when some event occurred, visors, bombs, collisions etc etc. they knew immediately and saved themselves
HSVA has anaylized the witness statements from the ECR. Their conclusion is that they left earlier than they say in their testimonies. They were in the ECR when the list occured but left a few minutes later. You can compare it with the passangers on the same deck. They left shortly after the list and survived.
If they would have stayed as long as they say in their tesitmonies they would'n have survived likely. But you can draw some conclusions from what they say. They see no water in the ECR or in the workshop. One of the holes in the hull is likley placed in the workshop were the motorman was at the time for the list.
@@Estoniaveckan Yes, they understood the likelihood of the serious event. My guess was their location and times didn’t make sense and like you say, couldn’t have been.
@@Estoniaveckan I was just about to mention that quite clearly some of their Testimony is 100% Fabrication time wise! I mean after all how can you climb a Ladder when the ship is on it's side? Also if the Ship is Clearly sinking and has already Heeled over onto it's side why when the Bridge has issued an "Abandon Ship" Command would you then go to look and see what the Emergency Generator is doing? Also I like the Henrik Sillaste Evidence because whn he's interviewed by the Media he says basically he sees Water streaming in from the Bow Door! However when Jutta Rabe interviewed him and the Other "Witness" he tells her and Draws a Picture saying "the Ramp was never open only small amounts Spraying in each side of the Ramp" but nowhere near enough to Capsize and Sink a Ship the Size of MS Estonia it appears to me being an outsider that he is telling people what they want to hear (that's my opinion) anyway keep up the good work sir i'm certainly intrigued more than ever about the Estonia now back in 94 we in Britain just saw it as another Ferry Capsizing as we had had the "HERALD OF FREE ENTERPRISE" Disaster at Zeebrugge 6 1/2 years previous to the Loss of the Estonia! This is the first time I've really taken a deeper look into the Sinking and thanks to Henrik's Documentary we have now got evidence that all is not right with JAIC report! Personally i think it's Somewhere between the JAIC & GGE Reports! I think she sank with her visor on and it was Blown off after she was on the bottom! (Again that's my honest opinion) I love these videos you do even though I am English many of your works have subtitles in English which is Awesome for me the more information we have out there gives us Knowledge..... and that Knowledge allows us to make up our own minds or our own theories! THANK YOU so much
@@simonreeves828 kind.of suspicious how they also kept changing their stories/timelines and retracting their own original statements throughout their interviews
@@bonistik The truth you (your brain) always remember, a lie is hard to remember because your brain is told by you it's a lie and easier forget it, when you lie you not only fooling the investigator, you are fooling yourself as well.
Eric you are doing well with Mv Estonia
Thank you! New video tonight at 18. It is a statement from the trainee second officer
hade varit kul att få se dom riktiga videos när vatten strömmade in på bildäck för att kamera fanns ju.
Det fanns men vad jag förstår spelade dom inte in.
How much time you believe was between ECR and the 90 degree listing which some people believe led to closing the ramp again?
I'm not really sure of what you mean by time, but I guess you mean how long it was between that the crew saw that water was entering the ship and the 90 degree list. Probably around 30-35 minutes.
@@Estoniaveckan Nope, I mean time from the point - Sillaste came to ECR - till 90 degrees listing
@@jp-legal Okey, around 20-25 minutes. it is not clear when exactly he entered the ECR.
The Vile Truths of Korea's Sewol Ferry Tragedy (Part 1: Cowards in Command) sjekk denne videoen på YT, innholdet jeg påpeker begynner ved ca. 25:00....
I denne videoen sies det at Sewol ble liggende å flyte med bulben i overflaten helt til "nightfall", solnedgang 16 April i Korea/Seoul er ca. kl. 1800 på kvelden........
Even the Jan Heweliusz. Fast capsizing, but slow sinking. That is how ferries with water over the waterline sink.
In case of the Estonia it was vice versa. Slow capsizing, fast sinking. Banging around 1.00, but at 1.24 during mayday call just 20-30 degrees listing. Sinking around 1.45. Shortly after capsizing completely.
Actually the capsize of Jan Heweliusz was not that fast according to different sources on the internet. According to swedish wikipedia, 04:45 she sent the first mayday with a list on 30 degrees and 05:27 she sent her last mayday. On the english wikipedia the times are a little different but it took around one hour from the first mayday to the time when she turned upside down.
On this site www.faktaomfartyg.se/jan_heweliusz_1977.htm the times are different also but it looks like it took around one hour for the ship to capsize and turn upside down.
@Estoniakatastrofen två frågor:
1) Vet du vilken hytt Sillaste bodde i?
2) Har du koll på om den "mojäng" i ECR som visade slagsida, visade den även för/akterlig trim?
Som svar på nr 2 kallas "mojängen" som mäter slagsidan för klinometer och nej. Den mäter bara slagsidan. Trimmet får man läsa av på trimmätaren. Både klinometern och trimmätaren finns även på bryggan och på vissa färjor på bildäck så att lastansvarig styrman kan se hur fartyget ligger och fördela lasten därefter om det ej finns heelingtankar ombord. Dock är heelingtankar standard på de flesta moderna färjor. Trimmet justeras ofta med hjälp av piktankarna för-och akterut.
Hej, tyvärr vet jag inte det. I förhöret den 28/9 med finska polisen ritar han in hytten på en planritning, men den finns inte bifogad tyvärr och han nämner inte heller något nr bara att den låg på däck 7.
Jag vet tyvärr inte om mätaren visade förlig och akterlig trim.
@@Estoniaveckan Det är egentligen av ringa betydelse exakt var på däck sju han bodde. 15 minuter från att han blev väckt tills han nådde sewage treatment låter väl som en rätt rimlig tid? Tids/slagsida-uppgifterna därefter blir mer ologiska.
@@janbanan7768 Strålande! Jag har som devis att lära mig en ny sak varje dag och tack vare ditt svar nådde jag målet även idag! Kan man anta att en trimmätare finns i närheten av klinometern inne i ECR?
Vet man eller annars hur tror du att vattnet tog sig in från bildäck till resten av båten?
Det utredde man mellan 2006-2008 och kom fram till att vattnet kunde ta sig ner under bildäcket i första hand genom ventilationen, sedan via dörrar/hissar i center casingen på bildäcket.
Borde han inte oxå sagt att rampen va öppen, om den nu va det…!?
Probably wasn’t fully open. Calculations estimate that for the ship to roll that fast it would have had to take on something like 7000m cubed of water per minute. It had a leak somewhere else too.
Sillaste såg aldrig rampen öppen sannolikt, inte helt öppen. Som jag tolkar det öppnades den innan han kom till ECR. Det han ser är en delvis öppen ramp, förmodligen har den slagit igen innan han kom till ECR.
Jag menar precis i slutet när han på håll såg att bogvisiret va borta…
Därför att rampen då var delvis stängd igen eftersom fartyget hade mer än 90 graders slagsida
Bogrampen sitter med 2 stora hydraulkolvar, den sitter inte och hänger med 2 rep.
Hur menar du?
Hva med fotsporene på bogvisiret??
Dom är gjorda innan olyckan.
@@Estoniaveckan av hvem da? De som plantet eksplosiver?
@@80AFT av folk ur besättningen som har gått nere i visiret. Det har pratats om att man behövde hamra på Atlantlåset för att det skulle stängas helt t ex.
Considering the way you can see Russia behaving in Ukraine, I hope you are really reconsidering your position on the likelihood they would attack a boat like this.
If some evidence turns up that suggest that the accident was no accident but a sabotage, I can change my mind.
If it turns out that the holes on the starboard side for example was caused by some sort of explosions, then we have to take it from there. But we are not there yet.
@@Estoniaveckan What scratching causes a blackening of metal? Look at car crasses and crushed cars. However, as soon as they burn they turn to rust just like appears in the footage. Those aren't impact damage, they involve fire.
You can see a similiar blackening of the metal around the damages on the fore ship also. However, during the investigation this spring they will test those areas to find out what it is. Guess we will have the answere then.
@@Estoniaveckan
Not necessarily as this was political from the beginning. You have Carl Bildt, who has been interested in retrieving all the good stuff from the former Soviet Union for years, who is digging deep into "it was the bow visor" explanation.
Sweden is currently having drones explore its nuclear sites, Russian planes come into the airspace and has had a nuclear sub grounded next to its own Submarine base in Kalmar in the 80s.
As you can see from the fighting in Ukraine, the Russian tactics are simple. They send in advanced teams of saboteurs from their vast resources of military/mafia, who have no morals whatsoever. They kill people, set traps, spot and go around trying to cause as much damage as possible before they escape or get caught.
These are the kinds of people who have been available to do a job like the Estonia for years. All you need is 6-12 people like this to go on board, take hostages, hijack a ship. They make some demands, get refused, blow a few charges, ask again, refused, blow some more. Then they are already on the port side ready to do some looting as was common at the time on all public transport in Russia. You don't tend to steal things if you don't think you can use them, so they probably knew how to get off. Considering, interestingly, Sorman was a former diver, he faired quite well in the water. If these hijackers had also some military experience, they'd probably be more than aware how to get off and where to head to. Risky? Yes, but it has been a common tactic to go to prisoners, for example, who have nothing to lose, and give them a choice "you can go out for some fun or stay in prison.. .what would you prefer?"
You have the claims there was a man on the bridge with a tattooed hand. This is entirely consistent with Russian prisons and mafias. You have the fact Russia offered to search the ship for airbubbles and take survivors, which Sweden refused. Why? Russian subs with James Cameron had just filmed cinema quality footage on the Titanic. Why didn't they want Russian cameras onboard?
Instead, they wait a few days and send down equipment with bad quality video?
There are many many indications this is not what it seems. The aftermath is one of them. The murder of the Estonian toll chief by a Russian speaker, who was then busted out of hospital by Russians. The suicide in front of a train by the Estonian owner of the boat...
There's a lot of odd coincidences. The crew and others have alleged convincingly that Estonia was a smuggling ship, it was used for drugs, weapons, advanced tech, prostitution, human trafficking etc etc. The other thing to note is that hijacking and scuttling ships is a very normal practice, even if not between Finland and Sweden.
Going to the straits of Hormuz, you have large amounts of occasions when ships have been attacked either for intimidation or to block them. That is why the British and American militaries patrol there. At one time, the British navy was spoofed and were abducted by Iranians.
Limpet mines, bombs, missiles, etc etc are used in this area, to name but one. What gets into the papers is a tiny proportion no doubt. The same motive is behind it. To humiliate the opponent, get revenge or settle scores.
As you can see now, Russia is flying its drones around nuclear reactors, entering Swedish airspace and that is just now. Imagine what they have done in the past? You have the constant sub incursions, not forgetting the one that got stuck on rocks. By no stretch of the imagination would they not be involved in something as terrible as this.
First things first, lets see what the investigation this summer leads up to. We still wait for the Kurm findings also.