Power to idle, carb heat to cold, trim fully up, passenger door fully open( if you're not in a Piper ), mixture to lean, trousers around your ankles...you'll do just fine.
Very good video, thanks. You have a nice plane so I have a feeling that a Bonanza might fly smoother than a Cherokee 140 and 180 that I'm used to with regard to steep turns. I noticed that you didn't change the trim when turning to the right. Is that correct?
Each turn I put 1 full nose up as I roll into the 45 deg bank and 1 full nose down when I roll out. The settings for left and right should be similar with the right being a little bit more trim, but honestly each place is different. The key is to experiment and find exactly what your plane wants and you should be able to do hands off steep turns. I have yet to find a plane I couldn't trim for this. Even the Embraer 145 (sim that is) was able to be trimmed for steep turns
Isn't it wonderful?!?! I know there's been discussion on whether it should be taught or not, but I'm a fan of teaching someone all the tips and tricks out there and letting them a pilot / student figure out what works.
Had a friend who failed his Private check ride because he could not do steep turns! He was very ham fisted and jerked the plane around. He finally passed his private check ride, BARELY! Within 6 months. he was taking a friend for a ride, was about 1000 ft did a steep turn, lost it and the nose dropped out on him, he panicked, yanked back on the controls and snapped the wing off killing them Both! Sad! Lesson is, be smooth, use your trim, and PRACTICE!
@@pilotreport Yes! My friends Dad who was a warbird check pilot would tell us, especially after this accident! He said if you can't do ANYTHING else, at least be SMOOTH! He would get behind us and tell us to put your arms back and hands on hip. He would then get behind you and "snatch" your arms at the elbows back fast and hard! It HURT! Then, the same thing again, but rather than "snatch" you arms back, he would SLOWLY, gently grab your arms and pull your elbows back, slow and gentle until they reached the same point, no pain! That was the BEST demonstration you could have ever shown me! Slow and gentle!
@@Heyemeyohsts Maybe when the wing overstressed and broke off can only be done by pulling back to hard on the control stick? The STICK did not pull itself! ?????
It's not just trim. That is part of it though. Many people try to muscle through the maneuver which might work for them. But trim is our friend and a good tool many new students seem to forget. It's also about it's remembering the amount of trim to use and to roll that amount in as you make the bank. For someone with experience or a good instructor this might seem basic, but I can't tell you the amount of students that have come to me and get amazed at this when I demonstrate it. They seem to have never seen it before. I'm guessing by your question that you get it and have been taught well. Others unfortunately have not
I agree with you when teaching the steep turn initially, . But disagree that trim should never be used for it. The point of the maneuver is for several reasons. One of which is understanding what controls inputs are needed to accomplish steep turn and maintain coordination. When I teach my students their first steep turn, I don't add trim and don't have them add trim either as I want them to feel the back pressure needed on the yoke. But once a pilot understands that concept and can do a steep turn without trim. you can take it to the next level and have a secondary control surface help you. The one time the trim trick worked for me in a real world experience was when a MLB baseball stadium had plans to expand and needed to do a roadway analysis of how traffic would disperse and how a new stadium would affect that. I flew an engineer (approved within the TFR) for 3 hours, basically going between turns around a point and steep turns (depending on what area the engineer had to see). If I didn't use trim I would have been beat up.
Power to idle, carb heat to cold, trim fully up, passenger door fully open( if you're not in a Piper ), mixture to lean, trousers around your ankles...you'll do just fine.
Love the video
thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed
Very good video, thanks. You have a nice plane so I have a feeling that a Bonanza might fly smoother than a Cherokee 140 and 180 that I'm used to with regard to steep turns. I noticed that you didn't change the trim when turning to the right. Is that correct?
Each turn I put 1 full nose up as I roll into the 45 deg bank and 1 full nose down when I roll out. The settings for left and right should be similar with the right being a little bit more trim, but honestly each place is different. The key is to experiment and find exactly what your plane wants and you should be able to do hands off steep turns. I have yet to find a plane I couldn't trim for this. Even the Embraer 145 (sim that is) was able to be trimmed for steep turns
@@pilotreport That's great to hear, and thanks for your advice!
I learned of this 3'yrs. ago. Using 50 degrees of bank. You can fly hands off.
Isn't it wonderful?!?! I know there's been discussion on whether it should be taught or not, but I'm a fan of teaching someone all the tips and tricks out there and letting them a pilot / student figure out what works.
Had a friend who failed his Private check ride because he could not do steep turns! He was very ham fisted and jerked the plane around. He finally passed his private check ride, BARELY!
Within 6 months. he was taking a friend for a ride, was about 1000 ft did a steep turn, lost it and the nose dropped out on him, he panicked, yanked back on the controls and snapped the wing off killing them Both! Sad! Lesson is, be smooth, use your trim, and PRACTICE!
That's an unfortunate story, but a good lesson. There's a saying "slow is smooth and smooth is fast". I find that useful for ALL maneuvers
@@pilotreport Yes! My friends Dad who was a warbird check pilot would tell us, especially after this accident! He said if you can't do ANYTHING else, at least be SMOOTH! He would get behind us and tell us to put your arms back and hands on hip. He would then get behind you and "snatch" your arms at the elbows back fast and hard! It HURT! Then, the same thing again, but rather than "snatch" you arms back, he would SLOWLY, gently grab your arms and pull your elbows back, slow and gentle until they reached the same point, no pain! That was the BEST demonstration you could have ever shown me! Slow and gentle!
If they both died how do you know what was going on in the cockpit
@@Heyemeyohsts Maybe when the wing overstressed and broke off can only be done by pulling back to hard on the control stick? The STICK did not pull itself! ?????
@@JonCox-fn3hn I think a terrorist was onboard and loosened the nuts on the wing spar
Trim is a trick?
It's not just trim. That is part of it though. Many people try to muscle through the maneuver which might work for them. But trim is our friend and a good tool many new students seem to forget. It's also about it's remembering the amount of trim to use and to roll that amount in as you make the bank. For someone with experience or a good instructor this might seem basic, but I can't tell you the amount of students that have come to me and get amazed at this when I demonstrate it. They seem to have never seen it before. I'm guessing by your question that you get it and have been taught well. Others unfortunately have not
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Trim for level flight, leave it alone and then fly the aeroplane
Extreme caution at low level… you can snap spin
Steep turns should be conducted at 3000'AGL or higher.
I would Not fly with this guy! Red flags everywhere
That's cool. What made you think you were invited?
You do not add trim because it defeats the whole purpose of the training maneuver.
I agree with you when teaching the steep turn initially, . But disagree that trim should never be used for it. The point of the maneuver is for several reasons. One of which is understanding what controls inputs are needed to accomplish steep turn and maintain coordination. When I teach my students their first steep turn, I don't add trim and don't have them add trim either as I want them to feel the back pressure needed on the yoke. But once a pilot understands that concept and can do a steep turn without trim. you can take it to the next level and have a secondary control surface help you.
The one time the trim trick worked for me in a real world experience was when a MLB baseball stadium had plans to expand and needed to do a roadway analysis of how traffic would disperse and how a new stadium would affect that. I flew an engineer (approved within the TFR) for 3 hours, basically going between turns around a point and steep turns (depending on what area the engineer had to see). If I didn't use trim I would have been beat up.