I feel way better about my steep turns now. Seems like every time I try, the air is choppy. Glad my DPE was understanding on my checkride. Now, I try to practice them at least once a month or so. About to start my Instrument training, so proficiency is going to be key when moving forward.
I asked my instructor about trim to help with pressure. His words were I prefer you you learn to fly the plane, to actually feel the plane. When he showed me the differences, I actually found it easier without trim. It feels like 50 lbs of pressure to keep the nose down coming out of the turn. He believes in learning to fly the plane without cutting any corners.
I appreciate the video and the information. I think a cockpit view would be more effective than the shot from the wing. Seeing the horizon, relative to the nose provide much more information and guidance than a shot from the end of the wing, which doesn't translate to useful information. thanks for the tips.
I'm having a hard time finding my line of sight for the horizon. At 5 hours it's hard to look away from the instruments but still know I'm in the correct bank or pitch. Any tips?
what should I do if hot air starts pushing me up midturn? Should I reduce power? push the nose down midturn to compensate (like if I was doing a spiral down, but just enough to compensate for the updraft?) or should I bank more? My CFI just wasnt so clear about this
My CFI instructed me that minimal power adjustments should be made on this maneuver and if you don’t start with trim right off the bat, don’t input trim at all. When it comes to ascending and descending during the turn, slight reduction in bank while simultaneously adding or reducing back pressure is key for maintaining altitude. I know I’m a year late in these response but hopefully it helps 😂
Great question! When an airplane is banked into a level turn, the total lift is divided into 2 components: vertical and horizontal components of lift. The vertical lift component continues to act perpendicular to the Earth, while the horizontal lift component acts parallel to the Earth’s surface causing the airplane to turn. In order to maintain altitude, the pilot increases the angle of attack (AOA) to ensure that the vertical component of lift is sufficient to maintain altitude. This is accomplished by the pilot adding back pressure on the elevator, which in turn increases drag. The increase in drag decreases airspeed, and the pilot must add power to maintain a constant airspeed.
@@maxwellpepper_ You need more pitch because some of the vertical component is lost and also because the airplane weights more with the increased load factor. The increased pitch also increases induced drag which then requires a power increases to maintain airspeed.
I have never trimmed out. I think the nose heavy condition during the turn is a beneficial signal that the airplane is not in normal flight, and if that pressure were felt unexpectedly outside of the maneuver, it could be a signal that the airplane is in a dangerous condition needing immediate correction.
I think the camera angle from the end of the wing dramatically lessened the usefulness of this video. When I'm flying, I never have that view, so why would that help me? A view straight forward in the cockpit would have been SO much more useful.
The purpose is to develop smoothness, coordination, orientation and to learn how to divide your attention between inside and outside the aircraft while making the turn. You should spend most of the time looking outside and pay attention to visual cues instead of looking at your instruments the entire time.
How about not overthinking which direction to do the clearing turns and just look out the direction you are about to turn before doing it? By the rationale explained, we should never make any turns to the right without making a set of clearing turns to the left first.
Fly gas R/C airplanes you have no trouble to do very steep turns and this will go natural ( ok ok yall have to get the procedures down yer belt ) when flying RC planes just give ailerons + rudder and pull on the stick to keep it at the same altitude. of coarse an rc model can fly on its side as its very light. had to o upurtinity once to fly a ASK714 and it was riding a bike to me.
There’s always some thermals and the sun shines right into your eyes at some point! If you really want to make this video educational please use no music in the background. Other than that it’s a nice video!
I feel way better about my steep turns now. Seems like every time I try, the air is choppy. Glad my DPE was understanding on my checkride. Now, I try to practice them at least once a month or so. About to start my Instrument training, so proficiency is going to be key when moving forward.
Glad to hear it! Good luck on your Instrument training!
Those steep turns and stall maneuvers are alway a gut wrencher for me
These videos for the various maneuvers are all excellent!! Thanks so much!
I asked my instructor about trim to help with pressure. His words were I prefer you you learn to fly the plane, to actually feel the plane. When he showed me the differences, I actually found it easier without trim. It feels like 50 lbs of pressure to keep the nose down coming out of the turn. He believes in learning to fly the plane without cutting any corners.
Accurate
Good instructor
I'm getting ready to do my first steep turn manuevers today if it quits snowing. I feel this preview will give me a head start. Thanks
You got this!
I would have loved to see a horizon angle off of the nose. I could not see any of the maneuver from these camera angles, sounded good…
Thanks for the feedback! We will keep that in mind for next time
I appreciate the video and the information. I think a cockpit view would be more effective than the shot from the wing. Seeing the horizon, relative to the nose provide much more information and guidance than a shot from the end of the wing, which doesn't translate to useful information. thanks for the tips.
I'm having a hard time finding my line of sight for the horizon. At 5 hours it's hard to look away from the instruments but still know I'm in the correct bank or pitch. Any tips?
Thrust Flight Academy videos are fantastic🎉
what should I do if hot air starts pushing me up midturn? Should I reduce power? push the nose down midturn to compensate (like if I was doing a spiral down, but just enough to compensate for the updraft?) or should I bank more? My CFI just wasnt so clear about this
My CFI instructed me that minimal power adjustments should be made on this maneuver and if you don’t start with trim right off the bat, don’t input trim at all. When it comes to ascending and descending during the turn, slight reduction in bank while simultaneously adding or reducing back pressure is key for maintaining altitude. I know I’m a year late in these response but hopefully it helps 😂
why do we add power for steep turns?
Because you lose the vertical component of lift in the turn, you need more speed to maintain altitude.
Great question!
When an airplane is banked into a level turn, the total lift is divided into 2 components: vertical and horizontal components of lift. The vertical lift component continues to act perpendicular to the Earth, while the horizontal lift component acts parallel to the Earth’s surface causing the airplane to turn. In order to maintain altitude, the pilot increases the angle of attack (AOA) to ensure that the vertical component of lift is sufficient to maintain altitude. This is accomplished by the pilot adding back pressure on the elevator, which in turn increases drag. The increase in drag decreases airspeed, and the pilot must add power to maintain a constant airspeed.
@@maxwellpepper_ You need more pitch because some of the vertical component is lost and also because the airplane weights more with the increased load factor. The increased pitch also increases induced drag which then requires a power increases to maintain airspeed.
Not sure why you're trimming it during the turn? Surely if the speed remains almost constant, there should be no need?
ua-cam.com/video/TAhlxtgC8NM/v-deo.html will help you understand trim in and out of the steep turn...
Less yoke back pressure.
I have never trimmed out. I think the nose heavy condition during the turn is a beneficial signal that the airplane is not in normal flight, and if that pressure were felt unexpectedly outside of the maneuver, it could be a signal that the airplane is in a dangerous condition needing immediate correction.
Excellent, it is good to know someone is testing the controls can take a heavy load so others won't have to.
Great job demonstrating those steep turns and manuevers.
Thank you!
Fantastic channel! Fantastic videos!
Nothing like an ad in the middle of a maneuver.
you dont have to roll directly into the opposite turn on the commercial checkride?
I think the camera angle from the end of the wing dramatically lessened the usefulness of this video. When I'm flying, I never have that view, so why would that help me? A view straight forward in the cockpit would have been SO much more useful.
Quick question: what is the purpose of steep turns?
The purpose is to develop smoothness, coordination, orientation and to learn how to divide your attention between inside and outside the aircraft while making the turn. You should spend most of the time looking outside and pay attention to visual cues instead of looking at your instruments the entire time.
How about not overthinking which direction to do the clearing turns and just look out the direction you are about to turn before doing it? By the rationale explained, we should never make any turns to the right without making a set of clearing turns to the left first.
Fly gas R/C airplanes you have no trouble to do very steep turns and this will go natural ( ok ok yall have to get the procedures down yer belt ) when flying RC planes just give ailerons + rudder and pull on the stick to keep it at the same altitude. of coarse an rc model can fly on its side as its very light. had to o upurtinity once to fly a ASK714 and it was riding a bike to me.
We should see all the instruments as you’re doing these.
Aviation?..........you got my Subs. Nice Video....Thanks
Increase the volume😊 of the music next time pls kinda helps to concentrate on wat ur sayin👍
The thing about steep turns is that it depends on the plane
There’s always some thermals and the sun shines right into your eyes at some point!
If you really want to make this video educational please use no music in the background.
Other than that it’s a nice video!
Quad screen view of instruments and external "
Just please leave the music out, please
The music is disturbing and not necessary
the music is so annoying and actually there is no need for it at all
Srry this wasn't much helpful can yall use animation or something before yall get in the plane
Like free pilot training
The music was not beneficial
Too much talking and not enough doing
Great video to reference for building my lesson plan for steep turns🤌👏