i know it was probably cut for time/coding reasons or whatever but i’m imagining Miyazaki listening to this collection of screams the sound designer has collected and going “actually that might be too much, leave that out”
first time I died to one of these in belurat gaol I turned around and said I'll do this some other time because the meat people freaked the shit out of me
@@VictorIV0310Dung eater is based and doesn't deserve the hate. #freedungeater To explain why dung eater is based we need to discuss video game ethics. Firstly, Genocide is not commited when killing fantasy creatures. Singapore law says. 130D. A person commits genocide who, with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, an ethnical, a racial or a religious group(group refers to human beings in this context), commits any of the following acts: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Notice that this does not include CGI fantasy creatures in the lands between because Characters such as the hornsent, misbegotten, Albinaurics and every single elden ring characters are not homo sapiens. Even the" human "characters in the game are not homo sapiens with skin colours ranging from bright blue to dark green. In fact the "human " characters don't have genitals modelled, showing they may have a different way of reproduction and hence are a distinct species from homo sapiens. Secondly, Since they are merely Fantasy characters, real world values don't apply to them. Why the should a fantasy creature adhere to real world standards and norms? No real world morals framework be it Singapore law, ten commandments or Sharia law condemn the act of killing fantasy creatures. Thus it is not valid to judge a fantasy character by real world standards. Let me be honest even hidetaka miyazaki does not condemn player killing the fantasy creatures like the albinaurics so why should you condemn this act. Lastly, Given that no real world rules apply to elden ring characters they have the freedom and right to do whatever they want, no one can say they are wrong. In conclusion. Don't feel guilty. Killing fantasy creatures in videogames is not morally wrong and no real human should be faulted for that. It's just entertainment.
When I realized this room was an infirmary, filled with apothecary materials and beds, it almost made me feel sick. But it also helps expand Messmer's character as he may have sympathized with his mother and the suffering of her people. "Direct thy maledictions, thine ire, and thy grief towards me alone."
Okay... Maybe, just maybe, the Hornsent got what was coming to them. I'm not usually one for vengeance but... Jesus Christ what do you *do* with that besides make whoever did it pay It also gives me chills because this is the closest thing to Marika's extended family that we see. These voices may be the closest we'll get to hearing Marika herself talk. Is this how she feels? Is this what godhood is? No wonder she shattered the Elden Ring, if this was what was done to get it
They tried to save them… to fix them… I wonder if the Jars that we do encounter that are only hostile because they are so traumatized they can’t accept anyone trying to save them
I assume the living jars we see are a byproduct that only arose after the shaman inside died rather than a completed form of the jar saints. The ones that speak give no indication they were ever once human and their insides are full of corpses, not living flesh. Presumably a living jar is a new life you get from a jar stuffed with corpses while the jar innards are from the jar saint ritual using a shaman and the corpses of criminals.
@@hoegaarden033 the 'dogs' we all love & choose aren't hostile. Neither are the squirrel rabbits. The sheep, not so much either but they live to be harvested anyway, they're not like the others.
I remember there was a foreign exchange student in my chemistry class one year and the lights went out. Nobody made a sound, but then we all heard in the thickest French accent "What ze *FUCK*"
Guess who's there when the lights are off ? THE LOARYSOME DUNG EaTER Did you hear the legend of how the dung eater cursed a jar innards and sold it to boggart posing it as dried liver. Alexander who was walking by bogarts stall saw what boggart had made with the dried liver. Buying the dish Alexander unknowingly consumed the jar innards. Dung eater shows up and says Alexander is eating jar innards. Boggart will never see jars the same way again #freedungeater
I like how it seems like messmer is trying to help them at least, it shows that messmer while he is murderous towards the hornsent he had very good reason to be murderous because of the suffering his mother people suffered and he tried his best to help them out showing his careful side
And the dung reason had a very good reason to be a individual who brutaliszes and curses corpses being an individual who simply enjoys eating dung professionally #freedungeater
@@ゼロシン I know you're having a mental breakdown but you're not entirely wrong. The dung eater is undoubtedly insane and does terrible things and thinks his end goal is a terrible thing but in reality his end goal? Just make everyone be born as an omen. People only really hate omens because they're racist.
figuring out the story of the shamans and the hornsent really made me think about elden ring as a whole. no one is ever truly good, no one ever fully wins, and the future is built (sometimes literally) on the ruins of past civilisations. we simply just start another age that will be nothing years in the future of the lands between
No one in elden ring is truly justified? Well let me present to you the case of THE LOARYSOME DUNG EaTER Did you hear the legend of how the dung eater cursed a jar innards and sold it to boggart posing it as dried liver. Alexander who was walking by bogarts stall saw what boggart had made with the dried liver. Buying the dish Alexander unknowingly consumed the jar innards. Dung eater shows up and says Alexander is eating jar innards. Boggart will never see jars the same way again #freedungeater Seriously am I the only individual who thinks the dung eater is justified
Story of humanity in a nutshell. Yet even with games and stories that tell us this people will always believe they're justified. As Straid said in ds2 it is all a curse
you got it. Miquella even tried to fight back this fate, in Japanese it is even described him abandoning his body as destroying the "causal link", basically going against the laws of causality and regression, only in the end to follow the exact same path of his mother.
Goldmask is the only one who actually offered real improvement He basically said "You're all fucked up, the laws of reality are not for you to play. Order is a concept beyond Gods and men. You have no right to alter nature" His rune is the only one that offers balance to the world.
more fan speculation lmao after two years of let bro cook we could of got some more other than pLeAsE bE mY cOnSoRt nothing on torrent even after showing him off in the dlc trailer. brabbo fromsoft brabbo. 🙄
So basically: Ritual pot/jar stuffed full of corpses = Living jar/jar warrior Ritual pot/jar stuffed full of corpses + shaman =jar innards/attempted jar saint.
Gotta put those Hornsent heroes somewhere to show them wives'n childrens who's boss. This is Marika's 'no you' turned to propaganda advantage to keep making Warrior Jars using her own subjects, having unfortunately proved the Hornsent's ideas /were/ useable in principle but having run out of Hornsent to mince: "it's an honour to go in the jars! An old tradition that only happens to the best people...and everyone sacrificed to making up the Divine Gate wanted to be there, too."
sooo many cut sounds!! i wonder why they ultimately decided to make the jar innards less vocal. i think it really would have added to how unsettling they look and really hammer home how tortured they are.
It reaches the point where you almost feel like the bad guy for stopping them. Were it not for Trina egging us on I wonder how many people would leave Messmer be, and let Miquella win
@hythan9198 when you wish for an option to convince Messmer to join you after 2nd phase instead of killing him even though that makes little sense lorewise.
Feel for messmer because he was thrown into the shadow realm with a penal legion to work forever because he was impure. Marika pulled the ladder up after she climbed it - she doesnt talk to messmer or the fire knights so messmer putting the jars in the hospital is his own doing. She left them all to rot. Meanwhile in Bonny Village the potentates are chopping up hornsent to stick them in jars too, so the original villains are still at work
I feel only for the few, morgott, radahn, messmer, mogh slightly, radagon slightly, godfrey and godwyn, the others deserve death and marika deserves to be trapped within the wrd tree doomed to rot away for punishment, a fitting end as well also ranni deserves to be thrown from her own tower for the shit she's pulled
Horrifying sounds. Really puts into perspective the misery of being stuffed into a jar and melded with dozens of other people. Damn shame this was cut.
Not dozens of people, dozens of butchered corpses of people. The hornsent were killing criminals and using the shamans to fuse them together in the hopes they would be reborn "correctly" as a new being within the jar.
It seems like Messmer or his fire knights brought these jars here at shadow keep so they could study and possibly try to help them. Horrifying nevertheless. Edit: what in the name of jar shamans is happening in the comments?
@@Sinknight212Kinda, not really. People are all up in arms about Miquella specifically because he harmed two named characters instead of countless unnamed ones like the other demigods, but also Miquella never even gave us an option to join him so it's not really our fault. As to Messmer and the Crusade, it's a case of understandable hatred. The hornsent did innumerable terrible crimes to the Shamans and their own criminals, but the Crusade's response brought them to the same level as the Hornsent, rather than simply resisting and supplanting them they took it further and committed genocide when they probably could have integrated with them as a united order. It's truly awful what the Hornsent did to these people. Unfortunately, the Golden Order didn't learn from this sorrow and just inflicted it on others instead.
@@ゼロシン All media throughout history have used a moral system in their story telling. You don't have to agree with it but to make the world believable, you have to have people have a sense of morality and for them to act on it.
Aside from it being his duty, seeing what became of Marika’s people must’ve fueled Messmer’s brutality towards the Hornsent. No wonder the furnace golems were designed as they were: More or less Marika and Messmer’s own “jars” for the Hornsent.
And with the face of the Fell God, who the Hornsent hated. They were being cast into their own hell/devil's maw. Their design is *poetically malicious*, like that is personal levels of hatred and malice, and I am here for it
I think it depends on if it's a shadow realm jar or lands between one. Seems like the lands between ones only scavenge corpses from battlefields to bring them to catacombs or minor erdtrees as opposed to making 'saints' like the shadow realm ones.
They literally whipped the shaman’s flesh into a pulp so they could stick body parts to them. Not to mention the horror of being literally shoved into a jar, unable to see anything, touch anything.
Everyone before DLC release: "Poor innocent Hornset! Messmer is such a bad guy!" Everyone after DLC release: "Messmer didn't wipe the Hornset scum out hard enough!"
@@etinarcadiaego7424did you know that if the dung eater could he would curse all the demigods forever and sell their body parts to patches. #freedungeater
That was all the bodies successful and compatible for fusing, too. Including hornsent. Nevermind the pillars that make up Enir-Ilim. We have no idea how many were sacrificed before they got it 'right.' The path to becoming a God is horrible indeed.
The Gate of Divinity is the Crucible. A literal melding pot of life, in order to extract divinity and allow mortals to become gods. It is literally a mass sacrifice in order for, in theory, all those later to be able to acquire divinity, and Marika ran it dry it to grow a tree. Enir Ilim could also be the Seat of the Sun, with the sun always beaming down on it, manifestation of the Fell God, who would appear to be the sun itself with Crucible horns. The Fell God is not the God of the Crucible, but merely presides over it, haunting those who would attempt to become gods. Thus Marika would need to slay the Fell God to avoid it's interference, both with the Erdtree and her divine ascension. Serosh likely comes from Enir Ilim, and is the Lord of the Beasts. The Lord who, in Hoarah Loux's body, heralded the return of Marika from the gate. And if that is the role Serosh could serve, then the Divine Beast Warriors and other lions could likely become Lords to assist in the massive amount of gods being born. The Gates providing divinity to all who enter would populate the world with enough Gods for the God Hunt of the Gloam Eyed Queen and the Godskins. The Nobles are also said to have assimilated inhuman physiology, not unlike the Crucible. I subscribe to the theory that the GEQ was a God before Marika, ruling over Farum Azula with Placidusax. Metyr gifted Marika Maliketh, who slew the GEQ and most of the Godskins after Marika stole the Elden Ring from the GEQ at the Gates of Divinity. With the queen gone, Bayle challenged Placidusax, leaving both wounded and completing the fall of the GEQ's Age. The Jars are transports for the Hornsent, to create balls of holy flesh to fertilize the Divine Gateway with, the flesh of Shamans in particular being best suited to the blending of life. Tldr; the Gate of Divinity is a magical location literally powered by dead bodies. The Hornsent view those who would fuel the gate as saints, and the Shamans are the best fit for blending life together. So long as the gate has fuel, hypothetically any and everyone could be a God, until Marika used the bodies to grow the Erdtree, then became a god, and finally sealed Enir Ilim away, leaving the gate decrepit and dry. Or at least that's how I parse the lore. This has been a very ranty tangent, and I will likely not look back on it. Cheers.
@@MitridatedCarbon That game is a steaming pile and I want a PC remaster more than any game on earth its so bizarre and fun and bad at the same time, I want everyone to be able to experience it
@@nikuniku1235 Don't bother. I tried too but these people refuse to understand simple concepts like that. For them, Miyazaki could release Bloodborne 2 any moment now.
As a matter of fact, these are the “sainted” shamans, which are the same people that marika came from. Numen shamans. If marika didn’t rebel, she’d be one too!
I bet dung eater would have cursed and brutalised one of these shaman's and Marika would be his victim. Did you hear the legend of how the dung eater cursed a jar innards and sold it to boggart posing it as dried liver. Alexander who was walking by bogarts stall saw what boggart had made with the dried liver. Buying the dish Alexander unknowingly consumed the jar innards. Dung eater shows up and says Alexander is eating jar innards. Boggart will never see jars the same way again
@@ゼロシン did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plaguis the wise? I thought not, it is a sith legend. Darth plaguis was a dark lord of the sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the midichlorians to create life. He could keep the ones he cared about from dying.
Imagine an alternate timeline where Marika's home village wasn't targeted by the Hornset which Marika never went to the path of ascending into a god and became ruler of the Lands Between with her Golden Order.
Why was such an enormous amount of voicework cut from this DLC? First Rellana, then Romina, now the Shamans? What is next? There is so much cut voice acting, just piling up week by week. Honestly, I'm impressed and kind of peeved we didn't get this.
Once I learned what these things are, I was reminded of the shard fusions in Steven Universe. Gems that were shattered and forced together with other gems in constant pain and agony. At this point the only way to help them is to kill them
God I hope not or Marika didn't go far enough. My first thought was that they used the... 'extra' innards to make into 'normal' living jars made of dead things, instead of with living shamans. There just wasnt enough to make a big one so they made little ones. They have the animations of the normal jars, so they aren't still alive like the shamans are, and they seem pretty happy, whereas the shamans, well, aren't
@creeptwin_games In case you didn't know, bairn means child. Not to say that the little jars are likely full of children themselves, though I suspect they might. I loosely assume they are children and whatever remains larger jars didn't "store" (for lack of a nicer way to put that).
After becoming the God-Queen of the Golden Order, she ordered Messmer to go for a very enthusiastic walk on the Land of Shadow and ask the Hornset how's their health plans. Apparently it was great.
Now I understand why Marika mistreated her omen twins. Omen are Hornsent. She was cursed gave birth to the people that mangled and butchered her her friends, her family, the Numen people
Sort of. Omen are a kind of twisted version of the hornsent born from the crucibles curse from within the erdtree rather than the natural hornsent born before the crucible was taken over. They're more twisted and brutish looking compared to the hornsent, almost a more unrefined version of them. The omen curse is very much a real curse, not just bits of the crucible re-emerging like some people theorized.
Oh, right, of course. How dare those babies look like hornsent, let's put them to rot in a sewer for a reason they don't even know. Nothing can justify what Marika did to the omens, they didn't even know what a hornsent was, they just happened to look slightly like one for a reason they couldn't control
@@filipporapetti9354" Mask with long, hideously twisted horns worn by the Omenkillers. Increases strength. Bears the smirking face of an elder, twisted in wicked delight. This visage is carved in the image of the evil spirits that haunt the Omen in their nightmares" "The heart of an omen without the body to match; could there be any crueler existence?" Both of these imply one thing; all Omen are in fact possessed by Hornsent spirits; the smirking horned elders. There's no way of knowing whether their actions are dictated by those elders or by themselves. The end result of this insanity is, of course, the " heart of an omen"; a heart like the Dung Eater's. One that hates and curses all equally. "Doll of a tanglehorn bairn. Uses FP to summon vengeful spirits around the caster that autonomously chase down foes. Tangled horns are a symbol of spirituality, but most young born bearing the oversized horns meet a frightfully early demise. These fetishes are made to memorialize them." Even though the removal of horns was also nearly fatal, it seems it was conducted because the alternative was largely the same. That, or them having to live with this curse. Marika tried. That's the worst part of all this. She tried.
@@filipporapetti9354 It doesn't justify it, but it explains where her hatred for the Omens comes from. It's not rational, but one can see why she'd feel that way towards people that look like those who brutally and horribly tortured her people over superstitions
@@silverhand9965 Still an unacceptable behavior for a leader and a mother, you don't get to base your choices on blind emotions when the lives of millions are under your responsibility. The truth is, she was never fit to rule, nor to be a mother, a pathetic failure in every regard, and so many suffered and died because of her weak-willed tiranny (I'm not actually angry, I think she's a beautifully written character)
Will you be taking a look at the shadow characters? they're mostly Hornsent, but some aren't. apparently they have fully colored textures under the black
Said the dung eater as he sliced up a jar innard Did you hear the legend of how the dung eater cursed a jar innards and sold it to boggart posing it as dried liver. Alexander who was walking by bogarts stall saw what boggart had made with the dried liver. Buying the dish Alexander unknowingly consumed the jar innards. Dung eater shows up and says Alexander is eating jar innards. Boggart will never see jars the same way again #freedungeater
I kind of wished they kept the cut screams in would’ve added even more to the horror of the innards
i know it was probably cut for time/coding reasons or whatever but i’m imagining Miyazaki listening to this collection of screams the sound designer has collected and going “actually that might be too much, leave that out”
@@samm4158 it seems like just enough though. Idk the real reason. But I do know it's quite shitty to cut all of this personality from enemies.
@@iamtotallynot123 I'm pretty sure I have heard at least some of these screams when you damage/kill these enemies.
@@nayd5043 only some of what we heard were cut.
first time I died to one of these in belurat gaol I turned around and said I'll do this some other time because the meat people freaked the shit out of me
Have mercy.
For the spirited-away Shamans.
@@ゼロシンWhy are you spamming this schizoposting crap everywhere here?
@@VictorIV0310Dung eater is based and doesn't deserve the hate.
#freedungeater
To explain why dung eater is based we need to discuss video game ethics.
Firstly, Genocide is not commited when killing fantasy creatures.
Singapore law says.
130D. A person commits genocide who, with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, an ethnical, a racial or a religious group(group refers to human beings in this context), commits any of the following acts:
(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in
part;
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or
(e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Notice that this does not include CGI fantasy creatures in the lands between because Characters such as the hornsent, misbegotten, Albinaurics and every single elden ring characters are not homo sapiens. Even the" human "characters in the game are not homo sapiens with skin colours ranging from bright blue to dark green. In fact the "human " characters don't have genitals modelled, showing they may have a different way of reproduction and hence are a distinct species from homo sapiens.
Secondly, Since they are merely Fantasy characters, real world values don't apply to them. Why the should a fantasy creature adhere to real world standards and norms?
No real world morals framework be it Singapore law, ten commandments or Sharia law condemn the act of killing fantasy creatures. Thus it is not valid to judge a fantasy character by real world standards. Let me be honest even hidetaka miyazaki does not condemn player killing the fantasy creatures like the albinaurics so why should you condemn this act.
Lastly, Given that no real world rules apply to elden ring characters they have the freedom and right to do whatever they want, no one can say they are wrong.
In conclusion. Don't feel guilty. Killing fantasy creatures in videogames is not morally wrong and no real human should be faulted for that. It's just entertainment.
@@ゼロシン i support your schizoposting
@@ゼロシン I don't support your schizoposting.
Is this from sekiro?
When I realized this room was an infirmary, filled with apothecary materials and beds, it almost made me feel sick. But it also helps expand Messmer's character as he may have sympathized with his mother and the suffering of her people.
"Direct thy maledictions, thine ire, and thy grief towards me alone."
The one at 3:40 sent shivers down my spine. These are likely all the people stuffed inside the pots screaming all together.
Okay... Maybe, just maybe, the Hornsent got what was coming to them. I'm not usually one for vengeance but... Jesus Christ what do you *do* with that besides make whoever did it pay
It also gives me chills because this is the closest thing to Marika's extended family that we see. These voices may be the closest we'll get to hearing Marika herself talk. Is this how she feels? Is this what godhood is? No wonder she shattered the Elden Ring, if this was what was done to get it
it probably would have been for those multiheaded jar innards enemies we see, seriously just so fucked up how brutal this whole practice is/was
are we sure this one was actually cut out? I remember the ones in lamenters gaol screaming like that. very upsetting
They tried to save them… to fix them…
I wonder if the Jars that we do encounter that are only hostile because they are so traumatized they can’t accept anyone trying to save them
That hits me harder than Alexander did when I let him have one & it became a flame combo.
I assume the living jars we see are a byproduct that only arose after the shaman inside died rather than a completed form of the jar saints. The ones that speak give no indication they were ever once human and their insides are full of corpses, not living flesh.
Presumably a living jar is a new life you get from a jar stuffed with corpses while the jar innards are from the jar saint ritual using a shaman and the corpses of criminals.
They're hostile because it's a fromsoft game and every living thing HAS to be hostile or the game will just not be fun. Right?
@@hoegaarden033 the 'dogs' we all love & choose aren't hostile. Neither are the squirrel rabbits. The sheep, not so much either but they live to be harvested anyway, they're not like the others.
@@TOUGHEYES Squirrel rabbits are springhares, btw
Great, man made horrors within my comprehension
Finally! those cosmic horrors can be SO pretentions! These are the horrors next-door
Only the process of rebirth taken into human hands. Hubris made literally flesh
@@kamionero tell me you don't get the genre without telling me
Makes the horror all the more effective, doesn't it?
@@f.p.2010Considering Elden Ring literally has cosmic horror in it, i'd say he knows perfectly fine.
The entire school when the lights randomly cut off
I remember there was a foreign exchange student in my chemistry class one year and the lights went out. Nobody made a sound, but then we all heard in the thickest French accent "What ze *FUCK*"
Guess who's there when the lights are off ?
THE LOARYSOME DUNG EaTER
Did you hear the legend of how the dung eater cursed a jar innards and sold it to boggart posing it as dried liver. Alexander who was walking by bogarts stall saw what boggart had made with the dried liver. Buying the dish Alexander unknowingly consumed the jar innards. Dung eater shows up and says Alexander is eating jar innards. Boggart will never see jars the same way again
#freedungeater
Accurate.
God I hated those little babies.
real
I like how it seems like messmer is trying to help them at least, it shows that messmer while he is murderous towards the hornsent he had very good reason to be murderous because of the suffering his mother people suffered and he tried his best to help them out showing his careful side
And the dung reason had a very good reason to be a individual who brutaliszes and curses corpses being an individual who simply enjoys eating dung professionally
#freedungeater
In light of real-world events, I don’t think the suffering of one (fictional) people is “very good reason” to “be murderous”, all considered.
@@lemonlordminecraft Fair point
@@ゼロシン I know you're having a mental breakdown but you're not entirely wrong. The dung eater is undoubtedly insane and does terrible things and thinks his end goal is a terrible thing but in reality his end goal? Just make everyone be born as an omen. People only really hate omens because they're racist.
@@ゼロシン are you a dingle dangle or something?
Ah nice, 2 minutes and 32 seconds of agonising nightmarish screams, just what I wanted.
figuring out the story of the shamans and the hornsent really made me think about elden ring as a whole. no one is ever truly good, no one ever fully wins, and the future is built (sometimes literally) on the ruins of past civilisations. we simply just start another age that will be nothing years in the future of the lands between
No one in elden ring is truly justified? Well let me present to you the case of THE LOARYSOME DUNG EaTER
Did you hear the legend of how the dung eater cursed a jar innards and sold it to boggart posing it as dried liver. Alexander who was walking by bogarts stall saw what boggart had made with the dried liver. Buying the dish Alexander unknowingly consumed the jar innards. Dung eater shows up and says Alexander is eating jar innards. Boggart will never see jars the same way again
#freedungeater
Seriously am I the only individual who thinks the dung eater is justified
Story of humanity in a nutshell. Yet even with games and stories that tell us this people will always believe they're justified. As Straid said in ds2 it is all a curse
you got it. Miquella even tried to fight back this fate, in Japanese it is even described him abandoning his body as destroying the "causal link", basically going against the laws of causality and regression, only in the end to follow the exact same path of his mother.
Goldmask
…
Goldmask is the only one who actually offered real improvement
He basically said "You're all fucked up, the laws of reality are not for you to play. Order is a concept beyond Gods and men. You have no right to alter nature"
His rune is the only one that offers balance to the world.
1:50 - 2:00 "I feel so...I feel so...mis-erable"
I can’t unhear that now. These things already freaked me out but this is just pure horror
What was her prayer? Her wish? Her confession?
There is no one left to answer, And Marika never returned home.
more fan speculation lmao
after two years of let bro cook we could of got some more other than pLeAsE bE mY cOnSoRt
nothing on torrent even after showing him off in the dlc trailer. brabbo fromsoft brabbo. 🙄
@@matguimond92 What the man said in his comment is literally ripped from an item description.
@@matguimond92 like the comment above me said, that's literally an item description, be humble.
@@TK_TK811 _no_
@matguimond92 take your meds
So basically:
Ritual pot/jar stuffed full of corpses = Living jar/jar warrior
Ritual pot/jar stuffed full of corpses + shaman =jar innards/attempted jar saint.
Gotta put those Hornsent heroes somewhere to show them wives'n childrens who's boss. This is Marika's 'no you' turned to propaganda advantage to keep making Warrior Jars using her own subjects, having unfortunately proved the Hornsent's ideas /were/ useable in principle but having run out of Hornsent to mince: "it's an honour to go in the jars! An old tradition that only happens to the best people...and everyone sacrificed to making up the Divine Gate wanted to be there, too."
sooo many cut sounds!! i wonder why they ultimately decided to make the jar innards less vocal. i think it really would have added to how unsettling they look and really hammer home how tortured they are.
Probably gameplay reasons? I'd imagine it gets pretty cacophonous since you might fight a few at once.
lamenters gaol ones with all the heads are quite vocal. I wanna go to the other gaols with music off to see if the regular ones actually make noise
My sympathy for Marika and Messmer grows every time I'm reminded of these jars
It reaches the point where you almost feel like the bad guy for stopping them. Were it not for Trina egging us on I wonder how many people would leave Messmer be, and let Miquella win
@hythan9198 when you wish for an option to convince Messmer to join you after 2nd phase instead of killing him even though that makes little sense lorewise.
I don't feel it, I understand why but I don't feel sympathy, because in the end, she was the cause of other shit in the future.
Feel for messmer because he was thrown into the shadow realm with a penal legion to work forever because he was impure. Marika pulled the ladder up after she climbed it - she doesnt talk to messmer or the fire knights so messmer putting the jars in the hospital is his own doing. She left them all to rot. Meanwhile in Bonny Village the potentates are chopping up hornsent to stick them in jars too, so the original villains are still at work
I feel only for the few, morgott, radahn, messmer, mogh slightly, radagon slightly, godfrey and godwyn, the others deserve death and marika deserves to be trapped within the wrd tree doomed to rot away for punishment, a fitting end as well also ranni deserves to be thrown from her own tower for the shit she's pulled
Horrifying sounds. Really puts into perspective the misery of being stuffed into a jar and melded with dozens of other people. Damn shame this was cut.
Not dozens of people, dozens of butchered corpses of people. The hornsent were killing criminals and using the shamans to fuse them together in the hopes they would be reborn "correctly" as a new being within the jar.
This goes to show Messmer tried to find a way to alleviate their pain.
But messmer cannot alleviate them from the curse, the pox dung eater will give to them.
#freedungeater
I bet relanna stuffed messmer inside a empty jar before some time in the lands if shadow.
Messmer: no not the jar anything but that
@@ゼロシンWhy are you schizoposting here in the comments?
Just imagine being peeled alive and glued to others peeled alive
are they not the amalgam of many others eaten by the jars?@@ilesterzi9270
It seems like Messmer or his fire knights brought these jars here at shadow keep so they could study and possibly try to help them. Horrifying nevertheless.
Edit: what in the name of jar shamans is happening in the comments?
Yeah, that's definitely a hospital wing. So god damn sad
Wait were we the baddies is this expansion
You might even say that "there is nothing more terrifying"
@@Sinknight212Kinda, not really. People are all up in arms about Miquella specifically because he harmed two named characters instead of countless unnamed ones like the other demigods, but also Miquella never even gave us an option to join him so it's not really our fault.
As to Messmer and the Crusade, it's a case of understandable hatred. The hornsent did innumerable terrible crimes to the Shamans and their own criminals, but the Crusade's response brought them to the same level as the Hornsent, rather than simply resisting and supplanting them they took it further and committed genocide when they probably could have integrated with them as a united order.
It's truly awful what the Hornsent did to these people. Unfortunately, the Golden Order didn't learn from this sorrow and just inflicted it on others instead.
@@ゼロシン All media throughout history have used a moral system in their story telling. You don't have to agree with it but to make the world believable, you have to have people have a sense of morality and for them to act on it.
Aside from it being his duty, seeing what became of Marika’s people must’ve fueled Messmer’s brutality towards the Hornsent.
No wonder the furnace golems were designed as they were: More or less Marika and Messmer’s own “jars” for the Hornsent.
And with the face of the Fell God, who the Hornsent hated. They were being cast into their own hell/devil's maw. Their design is *poetically malicious*, like that is personal levels of hatred and malice, and I am here for it
@@hythan9198Poetically malicious is how annoying they are to fight. At least they tend to wipe out messmers forces lmao
“All those voices……so much pain.”
The people of Marika's village have no mouths and they must scream.
They do have mouths and they do scream.
I don't understand the reference
they have lots of mouths, in fact.
or well, some of them do.
@@toastmaster914 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream
Y'all really didn't get the reference?
" They were never saints ... "
Victims?
@@Integritys_Sum It's a quote from Leda, referring to the hornsents.
Something tells me that becoming a living jar isn't an entirely painless process
I think it depends on if it's a shadow realm jar or lands between one.
Seems like the lands between ones only scavenge corpses from battlefields to bring them to catacombs or minor erdtrees as opposed to making 'saints' like the shadow realm ones.
The living jars seem to be a result of a ritual jar stuffed with corpses without a shaman. Or possibly the shaman inside died.
They literally whipped the shaman’s flesh into a pulp so they could stick body parts to them. Not to mention the horror of being literally shoved into a jar, unable to see anything, touch anything.
The fact that there are small jars means that The hornsents also used the kids.
These screams makes me feel pain somewhere inside my body, truly
Research hall vibes but this time they're actually TRYING to help
Top shelf nightmare fuel
I wonder if the jar innards even understand why they attack others. Their cognizance of the external world is broken at best.
They seek more innards (you) to form a saint.
@@thebigenchilada678 Or are they lashing out at what they perceive as their jailors/captors?
I think by this point they’re not all there mentally
They might just want someone to kill them.
Everyone before DLC release: "Poor innocent Hornset! Messmer is such a bad guy!"
Everyone after DLC release: "Messmer didn't wipe the Hornset scum out hard enough!"
And then Marika went on to punish a bunch people who had nothing to do with the hornsent including her own children.
@@etinarcadiaego7424did you know that if the dung eater could he would curse all the demigods forever and sell their body parts to patches.
#freedungeater
@@etinarcadiaego7424yeah, the hornsent deserved it, but Marika was much worse than them
@@ゼロシンNah
@@ゼロシン he killed boggart
some topp notch voice acting
I am pretty callous but the first time I saw the jar innards laid out delicately on the bed like a medical patient it hit me pretty hard to be honest.
I think some of those ARE used: namely when you fight the variety with the multiple heads, they have a dying scream and also a scream attack.
The gate of divinity looks like it’s covered in jar innards in the trailer
That was all the bodies successful and compatible for fusing, too. Including hornsent.
Nevermind the pillars that make up Enir-Ilim. We have no idea how many were sacrificed before they got it 'right.' The path to becoming a God is horrible indeed.
The Gate of Divinity is the Crucible. A literal melding pot of life, in order to extract divinity and allow mortals to become gods. It is literally a mass sacrifice in order for, in theory, all those later to be able to acquire divinity, and Marika ran it dry it to grow a tree.
Enir Ilim could also be the Seat of the Sun, with the sun always beaming down on it, manifestation of the Fell God, who would appear to be the sun itself with Crucible horns. The Fell God is not the God of the Crucible, but merely presides over it, haunting those who would attempt to become gods. Thus Marika would need to slay the Fell God to avoid it's interference, both with the Erdtree and her divine ascension.
Serosh likely comes from Enir Ilim, and is the Lord of the Beasts. The Lord who, in Hoarah Loux's body, heralded the return of Marika from the gate. And if that is the role Serosh could serve, then the Divine Beast Warriors and other lions could likely become Lords to assist in the massive amount of gods being born.
The Gates providing divinity to all who enter would populate the world with enough Gods for the God Hunt of the Gloam Eyed Queen and the Godskins. The Nobles are also said to have assimilated inhuman physiology, not unlike the Crucible.
I subscribe to the theory that the GEQ was a God before Marika, ruling over Farum Azula with Placidusax. Metyr gifted Marika Maliketh, who slew the GEQ and most of the Godskins after Marika stole the Elden Ring from the GEQ at the Gates of Divinity. With the queen gone, Bayle challenged Placidusax, leaving both wounded and completing the fall of the GEQ's Age.
The Jars are transports for the Hornsent, to create balls of holy flesh to fertilize the Divine Gateway with, the flesh of Shamans in particular being best suited to the blending of life.
Tldr; the Gate of Divinity is a magical location literally powered by dead bodies. The Hornsent view those who would fuel the gate as saints, and the Shamans are the best fit for blending life together. So long as the gate has fuel, hypothetically any and everyone could be a God, until Marika used the bodies to grow the Erdtree, then became a god, and finally sealed Enir Ilim away, leaving the gate decrepit and dry.
Or at least that's how I parse the lore. This has been a very ranty tangent, and I will likely not look back on it. Cheers.
fromsoft needs to return to pure horror games, like bloodborne.
Fromsoft needs to return Bloodborne. To PC, where it belongs.
@@nunoosorio3832 cut to Fromsoft releasing the remastered pc version of their masterpiece: Ninja Blade.
@@MitridatedCarbon That game is a steaming pile and I want a PC remaster more than any game on earth
its so bizarre and fun and bad at the same time, I want everyone to be able to experience it
Fromsoftware does not own the IP of Bloodborn, so not possible.
@@nikuniku1235 Don't bother. I tried too but these people refuse to understand simple concepts like that. For them, Miyazaki could release Bloodborne 2 any moment now.
Idk why but Their screams made me think that the crusade led by messmer was justified
Not justified, but you can understand why it happened.
@@shirokun002 yeah you're right
@@shirokun002every elden ring characters is justified
@@shirokun002 "Not justified" ahahaha
@@ayylmao4353 yeah, not justified. you can't justify genocide no matter the context.
"All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again."
Nah nah, all of Messmer's men and Messmer mother Marika couldn't take the Numen apart again.
My impaler spear is trembling, there must be hornsents around here
Messmer,my hero😢
My shit after taco bell:
I was second-hand experiencing diarrhea vis text as I listened to this video and I’m irreversibly tainted.
As a matter of fact, these are the “sainted” shamans, which are the same people that marika came from. Numen shamans. If marika didn’t rebel, she’d be one too!
I bet dung eater would have cursed and brutalised one of these shaman's and Marika would be his victim.
Did you hear the legend of how the dung eater cursed a jar innards and sold it to boggart posing it as dried liver. Alexander who was walking by bogarts stall saw what boggart had made with the dried liver. Buying the dish Alexander unknowingly consumed the jar innards. Dung eater shows up and says Alexander is eating jar innards. Boggart will never see jars the same way again
@@ゼロシン did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plaguis the wise? I thought not, it is a sith legend.
Darth plaguis was a dark lord of the sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the midichlorians to create life. He could keep the ones he cared about from dying.
It's more likely that Marika came out of one of these. Explains why she's got multiple personalities
Infactual. As an actual matter of fact, nothing says the shamans are Numen
@@colt4505 Numen are people that come from outside the Lands between
Every shaman is a numen, but not every numen is a shaman
i made the mistake of watching this in the dark with headphones on...
Imagine an alternate timeline where Marika's home village wasn't targeted by the Hornset which Marika never went to the path of ascending into a god and became ruler of the Lands Between with her Golden Order.
they would still be controlled by the two fingers
Why was such an enormous amount of voicework cut from this DLC? First Rellana, then Romina, now the Shamans? What is next? There is so much cut voice acting, just piling up week by week. Honestly, I'm impressed and kind of peeved we didn't get this.
Several of these screams are in the game.
@@NA-ke9sl Not most of them.
3:45 orphan of kos
ASMR
And then hornsent be like: why Marika betrayed us
I just feel bad for these poor people :(
Not me accidentally blasting the moans at a stop light with my windows open 💀
Going to Jarburg the first time and seeing all the flowers: 😊
Going back to Jarburg after finding the Shaman village: 😭
Daily reminder, vigor check all hornsent!
That's a shame that theses voices are unused
Some of them
Once I learned what these things are, I was reminded of the shard fusions in Steven Universe. Gems that were shattered and forced together with other gems in constant pain and agony. At this point the only way to help them is to kill them
genuine shame they didn't keep these in
..the sounds of pain.. :(
Imagine if Lady Maria saw these in the Research Hall in Bloodborne
Poor guys
why they cut all the best stuff in er i will never understand
The Hornsent really thought they were all high and mighty stuffing people into these things. It's exactly what brought their doom.
that one dude over the mic
Are... are the tiny jars made of children?
I think these are still warrior jars, like jar bairn, but essentially are there to help the shaman jars
God I hope not or Marika didn't go far enough. My first thought was that they used the... 'extra' innards to make into 'normal' living jars made of dead things, instead of with living shamans. There just wasnt enough to make a big one so they made little ones. They have the animations of the normal jars, so they aren't still alive like the shamans are, and they seem pretty happy, whereas the shamans, well, aren't
@creeptwin_games In case you didn't know, bairn means child. Not to say that the little jars are likely full of children themselves, though I suspect they might. I loosely assume they are children and whatever remains larger jars didn't "store" (for lack of a nicer way to put that).
@@Zakaji oh no I get that they are kids, I mean jb's obviously a kid, but they're still warrior ones like he is, not shaman ones. That's all I meant
Yes, the small jars contain the remains of children.
That was a rough listen. Amazing job, voice actors!
why tf was this cut damnit
After becoming the God-Queen of the Golden Order, she ordered Messmer to go for a very enthusiastic walk on the Land of Shadow and ask the Hornset how's their health plans.
Apparently it was great.
Now I understand why Marika mistreated her omen twins. Omen are Hornsent. She was cursed gave birth to the people that mangled and butchered her her friends, her family, the Numen people
Sort of. Omen are a kind of twisted version of the hornsent born from the crucibles curse from within the erdtree rather than the natural hornsent born before the crucible was taken over. They're more twisted and brutish looking compared to the hornsent, almost a more unrefined version of them. The omen curse is very much a real curse, not just bits of the crucible re-emerging like some people theorized.
Oh, right, of course. How dare those babies look like hornsent, let's put them to rot in a sewer for a reason they don't even know. Nothing can justify what Marika did to the omens, they didn't even know what a hornsent was, they just happened to look slightly like one for a reason they couldn't control
@@filipporapetti9354"
Mask with long, hideously twisted horns worn by the Omenkillers.
Increases strength.
Bears the smirking face of an elder, twisted in wicked delight.
This visage is carved in the image of the evil spirits that haunt the Omen in their nightmares"
"The heart of an omen without the body to match; could there be any crueler existence?"
Both of these imply one thing; all Omen are in fact possessed by Hornsent spirits; the smirking horned elders. There's no way of knowing whether their actions are dictated by those elders or by themselves. The end result of this insanity is, of course, the " heart of an omen"; a heart like the Dung Eater's. One that hates and curses all equally.
"Doll of a tanglehorn bairn. Uses FP to summon vengeful spirits around the caster that autonomously chase down foes. Tangled horns are a symbol of spirituality, but most young born bearing the oversized horns meet a frightfully early demise. These fetishes are made to memorialize them."
Even though the removal of horns was also nearly fatal, it seems it was conducted because the alternative was largely the same. That, or them having to live with this curse.
Marika tried.
That's the worst part of all this.
She tried.
@@filipporapetti9354 It doesn't justify it, but it explains where her hatred for the Omens comes from.
It's not rational, but one can see why she'd feel that way towards people that look like those who brutally and horribly tortured her people over superstitions
@@silverhand9965 Still an unacceptable behavior for a leader and a mother, you don't get to base your choices on blind emotions when the lives of millions are under your responsibility. The truth is, she was never fit to rule, nor to be a mother, a pathetic failure in every regard, and so many suffered and died because of her weak-willed tiranny
(I'm not actually angry, I think she's a beautifully written character)
Just in time for my nap. Perfect lullaby. 👌
Messmer even tried to cure the shamans....he really loved his mother deeply
This is messed up. I always think of the worst scenarios , to think someone depraved is getting off to this is unsettling.
Jar Innards tortured screams ASMR
there like 20-30 comments from a tweaker named Hudramshinzoffy all talking about dung eater on this video💀
This area reminds me of the Astral Clocktower and the patients there.
1:57 on god that just said Miyazaki bro they no who actually did this to them😂
Jarika the Unpickled
Omg it looks like a hospital wing
In hindsight, there was no way Marika could have turned out completely good and sane knowing where she came from
The music: (:
The sound: ):
3:48 Orphan of Kos?
genuinely heart breaking
That’s fine, i didn’t feel like sleeping tonight anyways
This is my ringtone
I feel her pain..
ASMR experience right here
Studio recording session mustve been fun 😭☠️
Ah some sweet visuals and sounds to fall asleep to.
Why did I watch this whole thing 🤯😭
Man these sounds are at Research Hall level. Unsettling stuff.
Messmer was absolutelly right
Me after watching this: *heads to enir illim with my fire knight's greatsword lit up*
When he said "ÖÖÖÜÜEEE" I really felt that 😔
Will you be taking a look at the shadow characters? they're mostly Hornsent, but some aren't. apparently they have fully colored textures under the black
That was more disturbing than I thought
I literally thought nothing could top the Research Hall. Oh, poor baby, underestimating Miyazaki...
Using the Shaman village music makes this extra haunting.
Something tells me they had a lot of fun in the recording studio.
Sounds like me after taco bell
Holy shit those unused sounds are like Ocelot's screams all over again
Great video to watch while eating.
Actually was eating a sandwich and had to pause.
"The innards screams tells a story...."
Most effective alarm ringtone
Think that Aldrich is this multiplied by one thousand and is enjoying it.
Plip plop plip plop
Splish splash splish splash
Said the dung eater as he sliced up a jar innard
Did you hear the legend of how the
dung eater cursed a jar innards and sold it to boggart posing it as dried liver. Alexander who was walking by bogarts stall saw what boggart had made with the dried liver. Buying the dish Alexander unknowingly consumed the jar innards. Dung eater shows up and says Alexander is eating jar innards. Boggart will never see jars the same way again
#freedungeater
plin plin plon
As an amalgamation of multiple victims, one could only imagine the physical and psychological trauma these things must endure. 😢
Moment like this make me want more horror soulslike.