I’d interpret it more like as we get closer to the times of modern politics the political compass is modeled on distinguishing between ideologically, there is naturally more deviation whereas with Jefferson it’s harder to answer the modern political questions so there are more moderate answers that average out... of that makes sense
Honestly, it probably got down to the fact that before the 20th century, there was a clear cut plan of what to do with America. As america got towards a better nation, it eventually went from a colouring book to a sketch pad, and everyone could do whatever they wanted with it. Some want socialism, some want really authoritarian governments, and some like money.
Fun fact: President Garfield's biggest contribution to the world wasn't being a US President, but instead it was being the great great grandfather of the guy that made the MTG card game.
@@bubblegumgun3292 the format isn’t horrible inaccurate. The TEST is. Every single founding father would have been lib right by a long shot. And there are a few positions that really don’t make a lot of sense.
Examples of it's inaccuracies. Is the fact a question are you proud of your nation. Will tilt you towards authoritarian. If you answer agree or strongly agree. Saying the opposite will lead you to being more libertarian. Even though both positions can be used for both sides of spectrum. You can be proud of nation in large part due to its freedom. You can be disappointed in your nation due toW lack control on certain actions. Couple others play similar trick. Lack of neutral answers. Where question doesn't like up with the effects it causes.
@@DrIBeast one of the questions is literally should you beat your children in some circumstances. Not only does that have almost nothing to do with politics, but it isnt clear cut. If you're saying no, are you saying that its only a personal decision, or that the state should enforce it? How is deciding to beat your children when they do something you deem worthy of it indicative of political beliefs?
Dude, seriously, MAD freaking respect for putting yourself through that quiz so many times. I do have a few follow up comments 1) Thank you for acknowledging your own bias. Answering questions based on how YOU think OTHERS would answer a question is a tough task. It's not easy and we just don't know how many would answer. I obviously don't agree with where every president ended up but I trust you did your best! 2) I'm in no way surprised more presidents leaned Authoritarian over Libertarian. Everyone likes checks and balances until its their power being checked. Thomas Jefferson is a great example. He would have lit himself on fire over a president having enough power to enact the Louisiana Purchase singlehandedly, plus all the military action he took as commander in chief on his own... It's human nature to throw out process when your hand is on the lever of power. 3) Woodrow Wilson being "all the way up here" was no surprise. Dude was a train-wreck-authoritarian of a president. 4) Legalized Marijuana I don't consider to be a left leaning position. The Left Right spectrum here is Economic. Marijuana is a Libertarian issue (i.e. up-down) 5) Finally, I think there needs to be a caveat for most of the Presidents; it being this: How you govern is not necessarily what your ideology/political compass is. As mentioned above, Jefferson's Ideology went out the window at times for pragmatic purposes. This could also be said about Bill Clinton in large part. What people WANT to do as President and what they ACTUALLY do as President are often, if not always, two very different things. Clinton's first two years in office were very far to the left. After the elephant stampede of '94 his remaining years were remarkably moderate. Same is true of Obama who had a Republican House for 6 of his 8 years in office. Just food for thought... Great Job Mr. Beat! Loved the video. Keep up the great work!
Every Other President: We're working hard to build a stable, free, hardworking community for the common people. Woodrow Wilson: STERILIZE THE OPPOSITION!
@@toddmcpherson5024 By creating a government? The closer you get to libertarian the more anarchist you are. By creating a government, you're severely limiting people's choices. Maybe he should be a little bit lower i agree, but no lower than the other 3 below him
@@RodrigoroRex libertarian in the sense he created a government that the american "people" (read, rich white male land ownders) got to actually vote for. A government thats voted in by a democratic fashion that the people can control by voting in or out its members is more libertarian than a monarchy that no one has any influence over
"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system." This the dumbest question on the test. Yes that's an advantage of the one-party state, I think you have to admit that. However admitting that doesn't mean that you like 1 party states.
Most idiotic comment here. Quicker isnt always better. Sorry mate, but it's the same in bed and in politics. Avoliding those arguments that delay "progress" is exactly what makes decisions made in those one-party states so much worse for the general population. You WANT to delay "progress" in order to ensure the best decisions are made, all sides are heard and most people actually understand and agree to the decision.
Political compass: its sad that you have to buy water now isn't it? Me: i mean when you put it like that it is kinda sad in a way. Political compass: Hello comrade
It's the test. The political compass test axis might be passable, but the questions are ludicrous. The eight values test is longer, has a more complicated axis, and gives more reliable results.
That does actually seem like pretty good spot for Lincoln tho. He fought a whole war to stop the south from seceding, suspended Habeus Corpus, was friends with man socialists, advocated for worker’s rights, and actually wrote letters to Karl Marx (!)
@@akorn9943 lincoln 100% favored national/federal power over state power and restricted some essential liberties prior to taking a crucial step in liberation of a people. I would not refer to this test as having any declarative meaning. If you take the political compass test you will see what I mean. One of the questions was something like "agree or disagree: my race is superior to other races." Either answer to that question does not imply one is more libertarian or authoritarian (just an a-hole who associates melanin or lack there of with any value)
I think it's the because of the fact that he was for the minimum wage and for student loans and government investment in infrastructure at a big scale. Hes actually pretty progressive even to some of today's democrats...In reality hes pretty auth.
@@SuperDarq64 you are fucking kidding me arent u? Even if u politically disegree with him most people agree he was a good person + he definitely jsnt worse than stalin, hitler, mao and other people like them Edit: Apparently im an idiot and this is a simpsons reference
Now we just need 99 other people to answer over two thousand questions to average out all of the results. You're a mad man and deserve everything, A+ my dude, excellent video!
"'America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we lose our freedoms it will be because we have destroyed ourselves from within.' - Abraham Lincoln"
The results may be correct if you're thinking about the US's political spectrum, but if you're actually thinking about the whole world, does anyone really buy LBJ was practically a capital C Communist? Edit: I want to add I wasn't bashing Mr. Beat or even necessarily disagreeing with him, he just answered the questions from their points of view. It's not his fault the political compass quiz is designed how it is.
@Pandanator Well, many leftists hate tankies; Stalinist sympathizers. So that explains it. It explains why a leftist like Harold Wilson hated Brezhnev, a communist.
Probably because that hard to quantify on a spectrum. Like communist and the far left hate gun control but so do libertarians and some conservatives. Gun control can be run both in a pro society way or a controlling way. A lot of pro gun stuff in America is just corporate so it’s hard to really learn anything form someone’s stance on guns
@@calebweldon8102 that is not entirely true many Marxists are very pro gun freedom so are many anarchists so I would rather say the further left you go the more gun freedom there is and right wingers (in the US) are more likly to be pro gun freedom
Funny how libright have most of your favorites (Cleveland, Coolidge, Jefferson, Washington and Madison) and your least favorites (Buchanan, Pierce, Hoover and Harding)
@@MortalWombat4480 the more libertarian you get, the shorter the boom bust cycle is as well as more intense periods of growth and more intense crashes.
Agreed and Calvin Coolidge was basically the opposite of Woodrow Wilson on policy. Mr. Beat got Wilson wrong. Wilson was not right wing on economic policy. Wilson was very liberal on economic policy. Wilson established the Federal Reserve and the income tax and the Federal Trade Commission. Wilson massively increased taxes while Coolidge massively cut taxes. Coolidge was also an isolationist on foreign policy while Wilson was a liberal internationalist on foreign policy. Wilson should be in the authoritarian left quadrant, not the authoritarian right quadrant. Coolidge belongs in the libertarian right quadrant.
@@abrahamlincoln937 Wilson was also a staunch racist and promoted a new age of imperialism, and cracked down on left-leaning groups. He shouldn't be anywhere else on the compass than where he is here, except maybe a little further up.
@@beefyblom No, Wilson belongs in the Authoritarian Left quadrant. Wilson was firmly a liberal on economic policy for the reasons that I listed in my previous comment. Mr. Beat is correct that Wilson was very authoritarian. If you are a conservative or a libertarian I would understand why you oppose Wilson, but if you are a liberal, then you shouldn’t oppose Wilson. Wilson is a C tier president. I agree with his economic policies and I partially agree with his liberal internationalist foreign policy. Wilson pushed for the League of Nations while FDR and Truman pushed for the United Nations. The main difference is that FDR and Truman succeeded with the United Nations while Wilson failed with the League of Nations. Wilson also led America to victory in WWI and he pushed for the 19th Amendment. But Wilson was very racist and he signed into law the Espionage and Sedition Acts.
The real political test. Hold up two fingers. What does this mean? "Peace" => Left Libertarian "Victory" => Right Authoritarian "I lost three fingers to frostbite last winter, but I'd gladly sacrifice the remaining two for our Dear Leader" => Left Authoritarian "Bartender! Two more liters of your homemade mash liquor!" => Right Libertarian
I see so many memes on the Political Compass on Instagram nowadays. So many people online use the terminology of the squares, either the colors or an abbreviation of their titles, and while it is entertaining, it is annoyingly over simplistic and the jokes are effectively a four way streak of the same things over and over again. With that said though, when it comes down to the actual historical and political benefits of the compass, I do appreciate that. With that last part being clarified, I was deeply gracious and glad to see this video in my feed. Thank you, Mr. Beat, and have a great birthday! Edit: This must have taken so much work, thank you for caring about your viewers so much to make this.
Thank you, anonymous person on the internet of having some sense of politics, nowadays everything is over simplified, I swear kids now talk in meme language rather that actual arguments
Well technically since it’s a two dimensional spectrum he doesn’t need to be a communist to get out in that position. Instead all he would have to be is moderately left economically and than far left culturally.
@Kerbal Miles Hitler wasnt a communist. he was actually right leaning economically and openly hated communist and sent them to the concentration camps.
Except that Wilson was firmly left wing on economic policy. Mr. Beat got Wilson wrong, instead Wilson belongs on the Authoritarian Left quadrant. Wilson established the Federal Trade Commission and the income tax and the Federal Reserve. Wilson raised the top income tax to 77% in 1918. But Wilson was very authoritarian like Hitler.
Truman was vehemently anti-communist but also tried hard for civil liberties and social programs. We would've had nationalized healthcare if he had passed his Fair Deal.
"When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all. What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means." - Harry Truman
Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years. Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security. Socialism is what they called farm price supports. Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people. When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all. What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means. -Harry Truman.
I'd seriously love to know how he answered the astrology question. I highly doubt all 44 presidents have made public statements about their opinion on that topic.
@@help4343 that question is interesting from the perspective of a religious person because the Abrahamic religions at least both acknowledge astrology as real and see it as an aspect of witchcraft which should not be studied.
@@Line... his wife frequently consulted astrologists after he was shot to make sure that his daily routine wasnt unlucky (something tells me that she didn't "Just say no!")
The quiz is less interesting from a "mapping your political opinions" standpoint and more so interesting from a "comparing your results with other people" standpoint. It's interesting to see which presidents are adjacent to each other here.
At least when you seek to be the head of state. If you're some disinterested king you could be libertarian by virtue of not caring and spending your time on leisure.
I would expect anyone who wants to be president to lean in the authoritarian direction. Somebody who is strongly libertarian probably doesn't want to be sufficiently a part of the political system to make it to that level usually. They might also reject having that level of authority personally.
@@solodolotrevino Its actually more so due to corruption and perverse incentives built into the system. The US has a long history with poor control over private interest influencing government and open corruption and propaganda.
@@donaldtrumplover2254 I mean yes and no. A government that gives you healthcare, education, and whatever else has to be very large relative to the individual by definition. The success of countries like Sweden is engraved in the fact that 80-90% of taxation is local, and they have insanely free markets. So you're helping your literal neighbor, and aside from taxation you have minimal government interference. Plus add in 95%+ Racial Ethnic Cultural Homogeneity, so very stable. It's nuanced. That can definitely be viewed as authoritarian, I mean direct income taxation literally means compromising your property rights, and your time to government.
Yes it’s hard because he was socially conservative and white nationalist, but from the perspective of white Americans he more left such as with his opposition to banks and pro democracy
I'm not much of a PC fan to be honest. I think a lot of the questions are too simplistic or leave out many of the reasons that people would think one way or the other which could influence where they go. It is, at least in theory, a good way to measure it though.
Yeah it's almost like it's one of those necessary evils, almost like a gateway for folks to explore their own political values. It's basically a meme itself at this point, but at least it's a starting point.
That's more or less my take on it. It is far too simple to be a great measure; but it decent enough to get an idea, and it's (likely over-)simplicity makes it easy enough for people to just do it (meaning we have some sense of a "standard test," if such a thing can really be said for this kind of test.)
Given Woodrow Wilson's history of hardcore racism (even for his time), and brutal crackdowns on antiwar activists and leftist dissidents (and especially harsh crackdowns on leftist foreigners) - I can't say I'm surprised that he ended up in the auth-right quadrant. Wilson was just...awful.
Seeing these results for Woodrow Wilson, I think it's kinda funny that Vox said Woodrow Wilson was the starting point for progressivism within the Democratic party
The fact that Grover Cleveland is the listed as the most Libertarian president gave me a laugh. I thought it was going to be Calvin Coolidge (who ended up in second place in that department)
@@lightyagami3492 I think Coolidge wasn't because of his signing of the Johnson-Reed Act. But outside of that he was pretty libertarian. His presidency was mostly uneventful.
@@lightyagami3492 Both Coolidge and Cleveland on balance each comes out as one of the country’s more libertarian presidents but there are a couple of things that push the latter ahead. Cleveland was a free trader while Coolidge supported protectionist policies. Cleveland vetoed a bill to curb immigration while Coolidge signed one into law. And Cleveland was opposed to central banking while Coolidge ultimately let the Federal Reserve be. That’s because they actually came out of once competing intellectual traditions that’s differences have been blurred since the rise of the administrative state starting in the Progressive Era. Coolidge from Hamiltonian Classical Conservatism and Cleveland from Jeffersonian Classical Liberalism. Libertarianism theoretically veers closer to the latter than the former.
@@lohema7827 *proceeds to tell both of you that both political parties are bad while also having an obvious bias towards the political party that the original commentator supports*
Its more or less just an Estimation. Its far from super accurate. But it can help give you a general idea where you are politically even if its not super accurate.
@Harvester of Eyes not to mention he used the FBI (which fulfills an equivalent role of the KGB) to spy on and harass political opponents, even those that ostensibly advocated the same goals, in a way that wasn't to his liking
LBJ is the most economically left-wing President the US has ever had, for what it's worth. Kind of interesting that he would end up that far in the authoritarian side - his Great Society programs were groundbreakingly liberal for the time.
@@steffen5121 Grover Cleveland was president for two nonconsecutive terms, and was thus the 22nd and 24th president. So we're on 45/46 right now, but there's only been 44/45 people
I got 55 seconds into this, paused it, and took the 8values test followed by the 9axes test; the 9axes had links to two others. It has been well over an hour (nearly two) and I am just now coming back to the video. Thank you Mr. Beat; the tests were quite informative and all in agreement.
I think there is a logical reason for why more presidents are on the "authoritarian" side of the spectrum (the word "fascism" here really is inappropriate), aside from the fact that politics tends to favour "doing something" over not doing something: A majority of presidents lived in times where cultural and social norms were much more pronounced and stringent. Even if they were more libertarian to their own times, they would seem authoritarian to the present - and hence to the compass. And of the later presidents, several responded to wishes to restore such norms in face of liberalisation or also replace supposedly outdated norms with more progressive ones. That makes it a 3 out of 4 likelihood that presidents favour more stringent social norms.
I took the test again a few days ago and found out something strange in their country-specific comments. In the Germany section they claimed the French section had shown that the right-wing Front National was economically to the left of both Socialist parties. But looking at that section, it showed the FN actually in the very centre economically, with the Socialist clearly further left. But the more egregious statement was that the German section said that the FN's extremism comes not from their economics but their social positioning. While that fit with the graph at the French section, I wonder how one can claim a party to the left of the left and call this not extremist.
I think presidents would take the test much more differently than a citizen would - for example, a president would be more likely to strongly agree to "I'd always support my country, whether it is right or wrong" because they're literally in positions of power where they usually have to, or stuff like that
@@WiloPolis03 But that at best holds true for the 4.8 years they are in office. And should we suppose that presidents are less reflective than other people and simply forget about their views once in office?
@@str.77 It's a little annoying to realize that the RN is supposed to be the "extreme right", because in reality their values are protectionnism and economic center. The thing is, the globalization/nationalism scale should be the third axis of this diagram ! that way you could actually represent political parties such as the Le Pen's. Nationalism is absolutely not the same as social extremism, social extremism would be socialism ! Social extremism is havng a very high idea of the human value as a whole, whereas nationalism is favoring your country over the others. it's so frustrating ! Extreme right could probably have better stood for "being an Xtra Xtra capitalist".
As you said, the Political Compass only is used for memes, any deep understanding of it is just plainly useless. Yeah, it can give a start, but the multiple axis questions are far more reliable, but still any test you make yourself tends to be flawled
Yeah, FDR definitely should have been on the top of the authoritarian, then Woodrow Wilson. I think this guy is biased. Seriously Donald Trump as the 2nd most authoritarian President. He’s not even that authoritarian compared to Obama, Bush, and even most presidents.
@@kylevernon Big time biased. He's "youtube" president expert which in reality means, douche with too much time on his hands who thinks Obama was a centrist and Trump is authoritarian. What a crock of shit!
He didn't put them there. He just answered the questions as he thought they would. The randomness in which questions you get can change things drastically
@@kylevernon I agree that FDR should be probably higher on the authoritarian scale but blame the test for that not Mr. Beat. Trump is for sure an authoritarian, though, don’t get how people can deny that. The guy’s arguably a fascist and is in my opinion. Dude steps all over the constitution like a fucking welcome mat.
The Authoritarian-Libertarian axis doesn't seem to measure state power in this case, rather it may measure conformity to societal norms. This would explain why more people nowadays land libertarian than authoritarian; its unpopular, but I don't think because you land libertarian you instantly think decentralization would be a better way to organize the government, it is a bit idealistic compared to just wanting freedom and equality. You can be pro-freedom and anti-authoritarian but think a balance of state power--using democracy--would be more pragmatic than decentralization of power or strong centralization. Centralization should be its own spectrum.
Yeah, I've often thought of the traditional "compass" as needing to be a cube. But it's hard enough convincing people nowadays that facism is a right wing idea, I dont want to imagine the torment of having to convince people it's a top back right corner idea. Also, wouldnt centralization have more of an expanding shape? Like a pyramid on its tip, with the traditional compass laid ontop? Idfk. The compass is bs, american compasses most of all.
That was the dumbest thing about the test. If it asks me whether people should do x, I'll say no. That doesn't mean I think they should be stopped from doing x.
@@hnys7976 Truman, Eisenhower, and JFK were incredibly reactionary. Especially Eisenhower. I would never classify them as anything close to left wing. FDR is one of maybe 3 left wing presidents.
@@theHippiecat15 Truman tried to get universal healthcare passed. Eisenhower had the highest taxes on the rich and JFK allowed the formation of public unions.
@@hnys7976 I knew all that. That is one policy each and none are very left wing. All of those seem like normal mainstream politics in a country that made sense. All three of them called left wing politics communism and people who advocated for leftist issues were suppressed under all of their regimes, especially Eisenhower's. It is a joke to call any of them left wing.
@@ogweeddeadchannel He literally supported Czechislovakia's and Poland's independence and pressured Britain and France to do the same. And he left office before Stalin came to power.
@@ErmenBlankenberg Well, Poland didn't free itself thanks to usa and Stalin didn't change anything for good anyway. Both Reagan and Gorbačov didn't do much either. It's mostly because Solidaity movement and Bolesław Wałęsa (SB collaborant later turned sociallist icon).
@@donaldtrumplover2254 yeah I dont see how a kleptocratic oligarchy isn't more right, but then again the test is wrong, mixing the social axis with the economic one
Yeah America was actually pretty left-wing until Reagan pushed the country rightward and then Clinton pushed the Democratic Party very rightward before the shift right word the Democrats were economically almost as left wing as the socialist parties in Europe
That was the Keynesian Consensus. Until Neoliberalism came about first starting with Reagan as a backlash to the stagflation of the 70s. But after the Great Recession of 08 Keynesianism has mad a resurgence.
It would be interesting to have each dot be a different color based on when the person was president, to highlight changes in ideology and level of extremism over time.
@@josefmoucka9584 No. Slavery and feudalism are two economic systems completely independent of capitalism. Given the contemporary nature of this quiz, a question about slavery would make substantially more sense on the social policy axis.
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Which ones do you disagree with? Which ones do you agree with?
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AJ is the real shocker for me, thought he’d be blue. And apparently I’m a Garfield and Carter man, but that’s okay.
Hey Mr. Beat
Nice video Mr. Beat
But Teddy Roosevelt and Bill Clinton was surprising. FDR is more authoritarian than expected and Reagen is pretty far right lol
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You brilliant mad man. You did it.
Cool
He really did it calling "DT" a fascist and altright likes it lol
Here before this gets pinned
Edit: Awww come on its not pinned :(
Didn't think you'd be here(:
Hey I know you from my childhood looking for WW2 maps :D, literally I showed to my classmates and they liked it
this is beautiful.
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Can we expect a jreg/pc althist video in the future?
when he got to Wilson I thought of you.
What if, the Novales Revolt succeeded?
I loved the Atlantropa Articles! You’re a great UA-camr
@@RebSike I started to think of the cynical historian when he mentioned Wilson
Wow. Such a great idea for a video! Of course, it's about a chart so maybe that's why I like it so much :)
@UsefulCharts Love your charts btw!
Hey it’s that chart guy
ha! I figured you'd dig this one.
@MTA Denizen What's the other one apart from J.J.Mcullough
This video is great, and a collaboration between Mr. Beat and UsefulCharts would be awesome
Honestly, I'd love to see this redone as a series - each one its own video, with an explanation of each question.
I agree
It should be done with a better quiz, though. One that is less biased and subjective
@@theparadigm8149 Or maybe it can be done with multiple versions of the test, to see if the results are consistent.
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One takeaway is that presidents got more ideological as time went on. Almost all of the most extreme presidents are from the 20th century.
I think that's the general trend, yes
I'm not shocked at all to find you here
I’d interpret it more like as we get closer to the times of modern politics the political compass is modeled on distinguishing between ideologically, there is naturally more deviation whereas with Jefferson it’s harder to answer the modern political questions so there are more moderate answers that average out... of that makes sense
Honestly, it probably got down to the fact that before the 20th century, there was a clear cut plan of what to do with America. As america got towards a better nation, it eventually went from a colouring book to a sketch pad, and everyone could do whatever they wanted with it. Some want socialism, some want really authoritarian governments, and some like money.
yeah, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Reagan, Trump
Fun fact: President Garfield's biggest contribution to the world wasn't being a US President, but instead it was being the great great grandfather of the guy that made the MTG card game.
Lol true
Wtf is mtg?
@@lukasg4807 It took me a few moments to figure it out, but Magic the Gathering.
@@EbuCallinav oh. That's definitely not more significant than the president.
I don't want to believe you, but considering that Robert E. Lee is related to George Washington (through marriage), I wouldn't be surprised.
Can we just appreciate the work he put into this?
Well it appears to be paying off. :D
political compass: "should we feed people and not let them starve on the streets?"
me: *yes*
political compass: hello stalin
political compass: "Do you believe in Astrology?"
me: no
political compass: hello Ayn Rand
But Stalin did the opposite of that.
@@Vampiyyr It's an exaggeration. I was pretending that anything progressive/helpful to society is radical socialism.
The irony
@@alex72749 bitch stalin did the exact opposite of something "helpful". he instituted communism and everyone fucking starved.
I think this video just shows how insanely inaccurate the political compass is.
it has flaws but it puts people on a grid based on basics that do match, i'm not gonna say it's horribly inaccurate
@@bubblegumgun3292 the format isn’t horrible inaccurate. The TEST is. Every single founding father would have been lib right by a long shot. And there are a few positions that really don’t make a lot of sense.
Examples of it's inaccuracies. Is the fact a question are you proud of your nation. Will tilt you towards authoritarian. If you answer agree or strongly agree. Saying the opposite will lead you to being more libertarian.
Even though both positions can be used for both sides of spectrum.
You can be proud of nation in large part due to its freedom. You can be disappointed in your nation due toW lack control on certain actions.
Couple others play similar trick. Lack of neutral answers. Where question doesn't like up with the effects it causes.
@@DrIBeast one of the questions is literally should you beat your children in some circumstances.
Not only does that have almost nothing to do with politics, but it isnt clear cut.
If you're saying no, are you saying that its only a personal decision, or that the state should enforce it? How is deciding to beat your children when they do something you deem worthy of it indicative of political beliefs?
@@aurumjust5539 From my understanding John Adams would be definitely authoritarian. For the rest of the founding fathers I'll agree with you.
Harry Truman: Starts Cold War against communism
Also Truman: *Far in the Auth-Left square*
it's because this shit is all wrong
The *start* of the cold war wasn't too much about communism though
@@no1fanofthepals are you kidding me
@@no1fanofthepals have you ever heard of the “Truman doctrine”
@@f.b.i7444 true true
Moral of the story: Pretending to be 44 different presidents and taking the same test for two weeks straight is really taxing on your mental state.
Good to know. I now know not to do that in the future.
This makes me want to try this on other tests even more
Dude, seriously, MAD freaking respect for putting yourself through that quiz so many times. I do have a few follow up comments
1) Thank you for acknowledging your own bias. Answering questions based on how YOU think OTHERS would answer a question is a tough task. It's not easy and we just don't know how many would answer. I obviously don't agree with where every president ended up but I trust you did your best!
2) I'm in no way surprised more presidents leaned Authoritarian over Libertarian. Everyone likes checks and balances until its their power being checked. Thomas Jefferson is a great example. He would have lit himself on fire over a president having enough power to enact the Louisiana Purchase singlehandedly, plus all the military action he took as commander in chief on his own... It's human nature to throw out process when your hand is on the lever of power.
3) Woodrow Wilson being "all the way up here" was no surprise. Dude was a train-wreck-authoritarian of a president.
4) Legalized Marijuana I don't consider to be a left leaning position. The Left Right spectrum here is Economic. Marijuana is a Libertarian issue (i.e. up-down)
5) Finally, I think there needs to be a caveat for most of the Presidents; it being this: How you govern is not necessarily what your ideology/political compass is. As mentioned above, Jefferson's Ideology went out the window at times for pragmatic purposes. This could also be said about Bill Clinton in large part. What people WANT to do as President and what they ACTUALLY do as President are often, if not always, two very different things. Clinton's first two years in office were very far to the left. After the elephant stampede of '94 his remaining years were remarkably moderate. Same is true of Obama who had a Republican House for 6 of his 8 years in office. Just food for thought...
Great Job Mr. Beat! Loved the video. Keep up the great work!
William Henry Harrison is clearly the most libertarian. He was office for so little, that he didn’t screw anything up
@Kerbal Miles I am quite the beard man to beat
Best president ever
he ordered some supplies...thats pretty much all i can ever find for what he actually did
He screwed up by dying
I would say Calvin Coolidge is
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Every Other President: We're working hard to build a stable, free, hardworking community for the common people.
Woodrow Wilson: STERILIZE THE OPPOSITION!
Haha ww1 go brrrr
HE WHAT
Everybody was so distracted with his 14 point powerpoint presentation that everyone looked past how awful of a president he was.
@@heatherperleberg7816 He is literally the same as Hitler and I believe it whole heartingly
@@thegamebusters5413 idk about that, but i do think he was the worst president.
Every other president: Arguing policies and where they are on the compass
George Bush and Chester Arthur: I just wanna grill for god's sake
George bush: I just want to grill some Iraqis with thermite.
The political compass for me is like playing "would you rather" with a 3rd grader.
It’s kinda fitting that George would be middle of the road as the first president
It's also fair he's libertarian, considering he did throw a revolution specifically so people could govern themselves
@@theunreadyone I would have expected him to be much more libertarian tho
@@toddmcpherson5024 By creating a government? The closer you get to libertarian the more anarchist you are. By creating a government, you're severely limiting people's choices. Maybe he should be a little bit lower i agree, but no lower than the other 3 below him
He literally started the revolution because he was the richest person in America and didn't want to pay taxes.
@@RodrigoroRex libertarian in the sense he created a government that the american "people" (read, rich white male land ownders) got to actually vote for. A government thats voted in by a democratic fashion that the people can control by voting in or out its members is more libertarian than a monarchy that no one has any influence over
Missed a big opportunity to say "I'm beat" as in...tired and fatigued
Holy crap I really did. :(
109 likes and only 1 comment.
@@iammrbeat you should use the sapley insted
Lincoln and JFK: Stalinists
Trump: Somehow literally Hitler
WHUT
Hitler would be slightly left very top
Stalin is very top left
Yeah how the fuck is trump right next to wilson
Dude the political compass is a joke, I'm a National Socialist and I end up in the far left. Kinda wierd.
@@gnomelordfyriforest Yo?…
@@obcttv5174 Yes?...
Are you proud of your country?
(Answers yes)
Test: Good morning Adolf
@Zachary Williams the second Is that profile pic a joke
@@ordinaryguy6654 literally hitler
@@vojta4045 its a joke you idiot
I know wtf
@@vojta4045 How about mine?
"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."
This the dumbest question on the test. Yes that's an advantage of the one-party state, I think you have to admit that. However admitting that doesn't mean that you like 1 party states.
Yeah. But I still said that was bad
I mean you can argue that those arguments and delays are what make democracy better than a one-party state.
@@itclientservices "1 party states react quicker" -> yes. I don't see how you could disagree with that.
@@lukasg4807 it says advantage, I'd argu that rushing through something too quickly is a disadvantage
Most idiotic comment here. Quicker isnt always better. Sorry mate, but it's the same in bed and in politics.
Avoliding those arguments that delay "progress" is exactly what makes decisions made in those one-party states so much worse for the general population. You WANT to delay "progress" in order to ensure the best decisions are made, all sides are heard and most people actually understand and agree to the decision.
Mr. Beat really be expandding Jreg Lore.
PCU (Political Cinematic Universe)
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought this. @Jreg should really do a video about this.
I see you too are a man of culture. Of either really conservative or really progressive culture.
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts is it too much to ask for both?
@@jakes1566 🎶🎶"You are the NazBol, Two haves of one whole"🎶🎶
'Should we feed people and not let them starve on the streets?'
Everyone: yes
Stalin: no
@@angadgrewal9324 I think the all the dead Ukrainians during the Holodomor would disagree with you
@@angadgrewal9324 Stalin chose to let them starve on the streets rather than give them food
@@angadgrewal9324 You are historically illiterate.
Fuckin got him!
Lyndon B. Johnson actually frequently called Mao Zedong a 'liberal' & considered him a traitor to the revolution. Many people are saying this.
hahahaha
It is known
Ha
This killed me, well done comrade
It's common knowledge.
Political Compass test: Are you proud of your country
Me: Yes
Political Compass: Hello Adolf
It's more "are you uncritical of your country" but whatever
Political compass: its sad that you have to buy water now isn't it?
Me: i mean when you put it like that it is kinda sad in a way.
Political compass: Hello comrade
@@TheStarBot It asks if it’s wrong to be proud of your county with no further context.
@maoistranma it does
@maoistranma dude, it does. Source: I took it before watching the video.
Lincoln: Auth left
Republicans: *confused screaming*
lol, where he put Lincoln and Reagan were a bit confusing.
It's the test. The political compass test axis might be passable, but the questions are ludicrous. The eight values test is longer, has a more complicated axis, and gives more reliable results.
That does actually seem like pretty good spot for Lincoln tho. He fought a whole war to stop the south from seceding, suspended Habeus Corpus, was friends with man socialists, advocated for worker’s rights, and actually wrote letters to Karl Marx (!)
@@akorn9943 lincoln 100% favored national/federal power over state power and restricted some essential liberties prior to taking a crucial step in liberation of a people. I would not refer to this test as having any declarative meaning. If you take the political compass test you will see what I mean. One of the questions was something like "agree or disagree: my race is superior to other races." Either answer to that question does not imply one is more libertarian or authoritarian (just an a-hole who associates melanin or lack there of with any value)
He isn’t auth left, this video is mostly wrong
No offense but this dude looks like he had a bucket of water just poured on him at all times
He must be the coach of the Super Bowl winner!
greasy head
Idk why but Eisenhower being LibLeft makes me laugh
I think it's the because of the fact that he was for the minimum wage and for student loans and government investment in infrastructure at a big scale. Hes actually pretty progressive even to some of today's democrats...In reality hes pretty auth.
Funny, I vote democratic and describe myself as an Eisenhower republican.
Mr. Rainbow terror bombs
south america can name that "some reason" lmao
I voted for Bernie (twice). That said, I like Ike.
You’re telling me Jimmy Carter was the closest we ever got to a communist-anarchist president?
Sounds about right.
That's why Jimmy Carter is history's greatest monster
@@SuperDarq64 MALAISE FOREVER
Comrade Jim
@@SuperDarq64 you are fucking kidding me arent u? Even if u politically disegree with him most people agree he was a good person + he definitely jsnt worse than stalin, hitler, mao and other people like them
Edit: Apparently im an idiot and this is a simpsons reference
Now we just need 99 other people to answer over two thousand questions to average out all of the results.
You're a mad man and deserve everything, A+ my dude, excellent video!
lol well thank you. I do encourage you all to do the same so that we can get a more accurate graph
@@iammrbeat Do you have a subreddit/someplace to collect the results?
I'd be down to do that but like the person that said above, is there a subreddit for it?
"'America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we lose our freedoms it will be because we have destroyed ourselves from within.' - Abraham Lincoln"
This is more true than ever now 😔
@@helpfultips1533 said by the man who suspended habeas corpus
The results may be correct if you're thinking about the US's political spectrum, but if you're actually thinking about the whole world, does anyone really buy LBJ was practically a capital C Communist?
Edit: I want to add I wasn't bashing Mr. Beat or even necessarily disagreeing with him, he just answered the questions from their points of view. It's not his fault the political compass quiz is designed how it is.
Yeah that's where my own bias definitely came through.
@@iammrbeat lol
@Pandanator There's no such thing as "the great society act" plus he's not a communist.
@Pandanator so Bombing Vietnam and Cambodia to kill communists was definitely a communist move?
@Pandanator Well, many leftists hate tankies; Stalinist sympathizers. So that explains it. It explains why a leftist like Harold Wilson hated Brezhnev, a communist.
The one thing I noticed it doesn’t have a question about is gun rights.
Probably because that hard to quantify on a spectrum. Like communist and the far left hate gun control but so do libertarians and some conservatives. Gun control can be run both in a pro society way or a controlling way. A lot of pro gun stuff in America is just corporate so it’s hard to really learn anything form someone’s stance on guns
Really the only pro gun control people are centrist
@@calebweldon8102 yep most politicians dont care our freedom they just enjoy donations from NRA.
@@calebweldon8102 that is not entirely true many Marxists are very pro gun freedom so are many anarchists so I would rather say the further left you go the more gun freedom there is and right wingers (in the US) are more likly to be pro gun freedom
Probs because it's meant to be more international and the question simply doesn't make sense universally across all countries
Funny how libright have most of your favorites (Cleveland, Coolidge, Jefferson, Washington and Madison) and your least favorites (Buchanan, Pierce, Hoover and Harding)
libertarian right economics tends to work well until it falls apart at the seams
@@jonahpeacock2561 correction: until the government becomes overconfident and decides to intervene in the market.
@@sangeetanarendrasingh5416 correction: Libertarian economics never work in the long run.
@@MortalWombat4480 the more libertarian you get, the shorter the boom bust cycle is as well as more intense periods of growth and more intense crashes.
@@adamtrott78 And that’s a terrible way to run an economy. Why not have stability instead of the economic equivalent of bipolar disorder.
Well, you definitely nailed Calvin Coolidge. He's become sort of an ideal libertarian president in the eyes of many in the right libertarian movement.
despite him being responsible for prohibition lasting into the great depression?
Agreed and Calvin Coolidge was basically the opposite of Woodrow Wilson on policy. Mr. Beat got Wilson wrong. Wilson was not right wing on economic policy. Wilson was very liberal on economic policy. Wilson established the Federal Reserve and the income tax and the Federal Trade Commission. Wilson massively increased taxes while Coolidge massively cut taxes. Coolidge was also an isolationist on foreign policy while Wilson was a liberal internationalist on foreign policy. Wilson should be in the authoritarian left quadrant, not the authoritarian right quadrant. Coolidge belongs in the libertarian right quadrant.
@@abrahamlincoln937 Wilson was also a staunch racist and promoted a new age of imperialism, and cracked down on left-leaning groups. He shouldn't be anywhere else on the compass than where he is here, except maybe a little further up.
@@beefyblom No, Wilson belongs in the Authoritarian Left quadrant. Wilson was firmly a liberal on economic policy for the reasons that I listed in my previous comment. Mr. Beat is correct that Wilson was very authoritarian. If you are a conservative or a libertarian I would understand why you oppose Wilson, but if you are a liberal, then you shouldn’t oppose Wilson. Wilson is a C tier president. I agree with his economic policies and I partially agree with his liberal internationalist foreign policy. Wilson pushed for the League of Nations while FDR and Truman pushed for the United Nations. The main difference is that FDR and Truman succeeded with the United Nations while Wilson failed with the League of Nations. Wilson also led America to victory in WWI and he pushed for the 19th Amendment. But Wilson was very racist and he signed into law the Espionage and Sedition Acts.
@@abrahamlincoln937
Wilson wasn’t that liberal on economics! He was definitely more progressive on economics
LBJ and FDR being furthest left is the most accurate
Communists?
Nobody:
Woodrow Wilson: *is nearly fascist*
didn't he watch kkk movies in the white house
True, Birth of the Nation was -_-
@Silver Legion bruh
@Silver Legion lmao, democrats used to do wild shit like that and noones bats an eye
You are aware that Democrats today are extremely different from ones back then, right?
Ah yes, comrade Lincoln
Well, he did talk about class warfare in one of his famous speeches.
@@frocco7125 I'm pretty sure he and Marx wrote letters to each other too right?
@@kevinmbtbass Huh, it never crossed my mind that Lincoln and Marx lived in the same time.
@@kevinmbtbass I know Marx used to work for Horace Greeley’s newspaper. But idk if he ever talked to Lincoln
@@hotshot8135 Marx and Lincoln wrote to each other.
The real political test. Hold up two fingers. What does this mean?
"Peace" => Left Libertarian
"Victory" => Right Authoritarian
"I lost three fingers to frostbite last winter, but I'd gladly sacrifice the remaining two for our Dear Leader" => Left Authoritarian
"Bartender! Two more liters of your homemade mash liquor!" => Right Libertarian
Chester Arthur and George H. W. Bush just wanna grill man
Yes, and judging by your avatar, you just want to promote and nationalize your industry and imprison your opposition
@@hansgoober35 im right wing and I would want to do that lol
Y’all go back to Reddit
@@The_Theodore_Roosevelt Hey, keep Reddit out of this!
@@catherineparr714 Sorry about your husband...on behalf of all Henrys, I can say that we don't claim him.
I see so many memes on the Political Compass on Instagram nowadays. So many people online use the terminology of the squares, either the colors or an abbreviation of their titles, and while it is entertaining, it is annoyingly over simplistic and the jokes are effectively a four way streak of the same things over and over again. With that said though, when it comes down to the actual historical and political benefits of the compass, I do appreciate that. With that last part being clarified, I was deeply gracious and glad to see this video in my feed. Thank you, Mr. Beat, and have a great birthday!
Edit: This must have taken so much work, thank you for caring about your viewers so much to make this.
The political compass has been memefied a lot this past year, mostly thanks to the Jreg UA-cam channel.
Thanks buddy. Yes, it was a lot of work, but a labor of love.
Thank you, anonymous person on the internet of having some sense of politics, nowadays everything is over simplified, I swear kids now talk in meme language rather that actual arguments
So what your saying is, LBJ fought the communists while being a communist.
You need a commie to fight a commie.
Well technically since it’s a two dimensional spectrum he doesn’t need to be a communist to get out in that position. Instead all he would have to be is moderately left economically and than far left culturally.
It took me awhile to figure out who LBG was...
Did you really just confuse LBJ and LGBT?
“I used the commie to destroy the commie”
In all seriousness. The compass just isn’t perfect. And isn’t big enough to hold all the possible views.
@Kerbal Miles Hitler wasnt a communist. he was actually right leaning economically and openly hated communist and sent them to the concentration camps.
I love how Woodrow Wilson basically scores the same as Hitler, which is kinda funny but also 100% accurate.
Except that Wilson was firmly left wing on economic policy. Mr. Beat got Wilson wrong, instead Wilson belongs on the Authoritarian Left quadrant. Wilson established the Federal Trade Commission and the income tax and the Federal Reserve. Wilson raised the top income tax to 77% in 1918. But Wilson was very authoritarian like Hitler.
4:48
Ahh yes, the truman doctrine. He's gonna make sure that communism spreads everywhere.
Truman was vehemently anti-communist but also tried hard for civil liberties and social programs. We would've had nationalized healthcare if he had passed his Fair Deal.
@@Norkeys exactly!
"When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all. What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means."
- Harry Truman
Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means.
-Harry Truman.
@@hnys7976 Socialism isn't necessary for government protections...
I'd seriously love to know how he answered the astrology question. I highly doubt all 44 presidents have made public statements about their opinion on that topic.
Reagan would answer agree, I guess we would have to give the others the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't take astrology seriously.
@@help4343 that question is interesting from the perspective of a religious person because the Abrahamic religions at least both acknowledge astrology as real and see it as an aspect of witchcraft which should not be studied.
Or the abstract art question
@@help4343 Reagan was into astrology? I didn't see that coming
@@Line... his wife frequently consulted astrologists after he was shot to make sure that his daily routine wasnt unlucky
(something tells me that she didn't "Just say no!")
Andrew Jackson: Authleft
Authleft: *Riot in confusion*
You basically have to be a nazbol to get authleft
Libertarian Left would riot. LOL
He did run on an expressly anti-elitist class conflict based platform.
@CommandoDude Imagine your actions being so contradicting that nobody can tell which side you're on.
@CommandoDude what's so contradictory about him?
The quiz is less interesting from a "mapping your political opinions" standpoint and more so interesting from a "comparing your results with other people" standpoint. It's interesting to see which presidents are adjacent to each other here.
It takes a lot of self-control to remain libertarian when you become the head of state
*THIS.* So true
At least when you seek to be the head of state. If you're some disinterested king you could be libertarian by virtue of not caring and spending your time on leisure.
@@lukasg4807 that example sounds more negligent than libertarian
Because libertarianism is not a thing.
@@ktcool4660 search up ron paul, but to be fair knowing his base they would have asked to make all jews illegal as the only law left in the books.
I would expect anyone who wants to be president to lean in the authoritarian direction. Somebody who is strongly libertarian probably doesn't want to be sufficiently a part of the political system to make it to that level usually. They might also reject having that level of authority personally.
That’s why I find the lower left quadrant is heavily underrepresented.
@@solodolotrevino it’s only underrepresented in us politics. In most of Europe it’s pretty much the dominant ideology.
@@solodolotrevino Its actually more so due to corruption and perverse incentives built into the system.
The US has a long history with poor control over private interest influencing government and open corruption and propaganda.
@@donaldtrumplover2254 I mean yes and no. A government that gives you healthcare, education, and whatever else has to be very large relative to the individual by definition. The success of countries like Sweden is engraved in the fact that 80-90% of taxation is local, and they have insanely free markets. So you're helping your literal neighbor, and aside from taxation you have minimal government interference. Plus add in 95%+ Racial Ethnic Cultural Homogeneity, so very stable.
It's nuanced. That can definitely be viewed as authoritarian, I mean direct income taxation literally means compromising your property rights, and your time to government.
This guy has dedication. I don’t think I could determine my time doing 2700 questions to get results that won’t even be 100% correct.
so happy I found you! I didnt know needed this but I do!
I think Wilson’s placement is spot on. Andrew Jackson’s placement suprised me at first, but after thinking about it, it makes sense.
Yes it’s hard because he was socially conservative and white nationalist, but from the perspective of white Americans he more left such as with his opposition to banks and pro democracy
@@calebweldon8102 Would opposition to a *national* bank be left-wing or right-wing?
Yeah
@@johngrebenor2363 It would be anti-authoritarian.
@@johngrebenor2363 given how American Banking worked back then and to the extent now? Left-wing.
I love you man keep up the good work!
Thanks buddy
I'm not much of a PC fan to be honest. I think a lot of the questions are too simplistic or leave out many of the reasons that people would think one way or the other which could influence where they go. It is, at least in theory, a good way to measure it though.
"Do you believe women should have rights?"
"Yes"
" *ANCOM* '
@@antonioklaic4839 "Do you think that bottled water is okay"
"Yes"
"ANCAP"
My pc fan sped up quite a bit watching this video.
Yeah it's almost like it's one of those necessary evils, almost like a gateway for folks to explore their own political values. It's basically a meme itself at this point, but at least it's a starting point.
That's more or less my take on it.
It is far too simple to be a great measure; but it decent enough to get an idea, and it's (likely over-)simplicity makes it easy enough for people to just do it (meaning we have some sense of a "standard test," if such a thing can really be said for this kind of test.)
I was honestly surprised by just how accurate most of the placements seemed. Even post-Hoover. Good job, man!
lol most are not accurate at all and most appeared to be arbitrarily placed on the spectrum
Given Woodrow Wilson's history of hardcore racism (even for his time), and brutal crackdowns on antiwar activists and leftist dissidents (and especially harsh crackdowns on leftist foreigners) - I can't say I'm surprised that he ended up in the auth-right quadrant.
Wilson was just...awful.
auth-right dosen't = racist
@@pixeled9683 racist is a right wing position tho.
@@TJ-lh7xg not always
@@graysonrigney5901 of course not all of right wing=racist.
@Albert D caused communism? communism was around before wilson was even born
Abraham Lincoln: *is auth-left in thumbnail*
American "Patriots": "Impossible"
at his time, he was definitely a leftist Republican for his support to end slavery, which rivals against Andrew Johnson's socialist right views.
@@UnchainedAmerica very much so, i mean slavery was a extreme right view "money over lives"
@@keephappy114 I hate to tell you this, but the political left made up the majority of the Confederates (AKA the "slavery is good" group).
@@TheAwkwardGamer thats in no way true since the right only cared about profit and the left well...didnt really exist at the time
@@keephappy114 I'll extend an olive branch then: the Confederates were primarily made up of southern Democrats, happy?
Seeing these results for Woodrow Wilson, I think it's kinda funny that Vox said Woodrow Wilson was the starting point for progressivism within the Democratic party
I’d put that on FDR
Wilson created the income tax and federal reserve, so he was the starting point although FDR took it much farther.
No surprise if you know this video...ua-cam.com/video/Hm0Gzz53YJo/v-deo.html
Woodrow Wilson is Center Auth Left
HOW DARE YOU FORGET WILLIAM JENNINGS BRYAN?!?! hee heee
George Washington being centrist is probably the most George Washington thing ever
Ik it's not entirely accurate, but it's interesting how most of the gilded age presidents ended up on the libertarian half
Makes sense though. Most were pro-business.
The fact that Grover Cleveland is the listed as the most Libertarian president gave me a laugh. I thought it was going to be Calvin Coolidge (who ended up in second place in that department)
@@lightyagami3492 I think Coolidge wasn't because of his signing of the Johnson-Reed Act. But outside of that he was pretty libertarian. His presidency was mostly uneventful.
@@lightyagami3492 Both Coolidge and Cleveland on balance each comes out as one of the country’s more libertarian presidents but there are a couple of things that push the latter ahead. Cleveland was a free trader while Coolidge supported protectionist policies. Cleveland vetoed a bill to curb immigration while Coolidge signed one into law. And Cleveland was opposed to central banking while Coolidge ultimately let the Federal Reserve be. That’s because they actually came out of once competing intellectual traditions that’s differences have been blurred since the rise of the administrative state starting in the Progressive Era. Coolidge from Hamiltonian Classical Conservatism and Cleveland from Jeffersonian Classical Liberalism. Libertarianism theoretically veers closer to the latter than the former.
*Politically Enraged Comment*
*Politically Enraged Response*
@@lohema7827 *politically enraged response to your response*
@@nameslesss *edgy political comeback*
@@lohema7827
*proceeds to tell both of you that both political parties are bad while also having an obvious bias towards the political party that the original commentator supports*
@@nameslesss *anti-centrist joke and lourd triggered scream*
This is a certified Jreg moment
By golly he and I gotta somehow collaborate.
@@iammrbeat That would be completely *B A S E D*
"lets play some music while we run through these"
*plays some weird math rock shit*
Me: *digging it*
His music is great, I love his math rock.
I never really realized how inaccurate this test was until I saw Lyndon B Johnson had almost the same results as Iosef Stalin.
Its more or less just an Estimation. Its far from super accurate.
But it can help give you a general idea where you are politically even if its not super accurate.
Ironic, fighting extreme ideologies makes people become roguelike.
Fight fire with fire.
@Harvester of Eyes not to mention he used the FBI (which fulfills an equivalent role of the KGB) to spy on and harass political opponents, even those that ostensibly advocated the same goals, in a way that wasn't to his liking
they are the same but just in diferent empires
LBJ is the most economically left-wing President the US has ever had, for what it's worth. Kind of interesting that he would end up that far in the authoritarian side - his Great Society programs were groundbreakingly liberal for the time.
me: "44 times? weren't there 45 pres- oh right"
Care to explain?
@@steffen5121 Grover Cleveland was president for two nonconsecutive terms, and was thus the 22nd and 24th president. So we're on 45/46 right now, but there's only been 44/45 people
@@MajesticSkywhale Ouf. That's good to know.
Lol, was looking for comments to see if they'd fall into the 45 trap
@@cuckoophendula8211 well technically we have 45 now, BUT if you wanna get super technical we won't until january 20th
It’s a shame that Ron Paul could not have extended the spectrum 20 points to the bottom right
ikr 😆
I got 55 seconds into this, paused it, and took the 8values test followed by the 9axes test; the 9axes had links to two others. It has been well over an hour (nearly two) and I am just now coming back to the video. Thank you Mr. Beat; the tests were quite informative and all in agreement.
I think there is a logical reason for why more presidents are on the "authoritarian" side of the spectrum (the word "fascism" here really is inappropriate), aside from the fact that politics tends to favour "doing something" over not doing something:
A majority of presidents lived in times where cultural and social norms were much more pronounced and stringent. Even if they were more libertarian to their own times, they would seem authoritarian to the present - and hence to the compass.
And of the later presidents, several responded to wishes to restore such norms in face of liberalisation or also replace supposedly outdated norms with more progressive ones.
That makes it a 3 out of 4 likelihood that presidents favour more stringent social norms.
this is definitely also to the fault of the political compass. authoritarianism means the government doing anything on this quiz.
I took the test again a few days ago and found out something strange in their country-specific comments. In the Germany section they claimed the French section had shown that the right-wing Front National was economically to the left of both Socialist parties. But looking at that section, it showed the FN actually in the very centre economically, with the Socialist clearly further left. But the more egregious statement was that the German section said that the FN's extremism comes not from their economics but their social positioning. While that fit with the graph at the French section, I wonder how one can claim a party to the left of the left and call this not extremist.
I think presidents would take the test much more differently than a citizen would - for example, a president would be more likely to strongly agree to "I'd always support my country, whether it is right or wrong" because they're literally in positions of power where they usually have to, or stuff like that
@@WiloPolis03 But that at best holds true for the 4.8 years they are in office. And should we suppose that presidents are less reflective than other people and simply forget about their views once in office?
@@str.77 It's a little annoying to realize that the RN is supposed to be the "extreme right", because in reality their values are protectionnism and economic center. The thing is, the globalization/nationalism scale should be the third axis of this diagram ! that way you could actually represent political parties such as the Le Pen's. Nationalism is absolutely not the same as social extremism, social extremism would be socialism ! Social extremism is havng a very high idea of the human value as a whole, whereas nationalism is favoring your country over the others. it's so frustrating ! Extreme right could probably have better stood for "being an Xtra Xtra capitalist".
As you said, the Political Compass only is used for memes, any deep understanding of it is just plainly useless. Yeah, it can give a start, but the multiple axis questions are far more reliable, but still any test you make yourself tends to be flawled
Chester Arthur be like:
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
Might have had strong feelings on facial hair lol
@@tastethisbass1 True!
“As a centrist, I am undecided on this particular issue. Perhaps we should hear all sides” - Chester Arthur
@@altheillusion8247 one of my favorites quotes 👏❤️🇺🇲
Interesting video.
I used it to compare myself and friends with presidents.
Thanks mr beat I’ve been waiting forever for a video like this
The fact that gwb is in the middle tells me a lot about the test
You mean ol’ Herbert Walker? It would actually make sense for him to be there.
@@night6724 you think he was center?
@@night6724 Are you a Republican or Democrat? Your compass says you’re around a moderate Democrat
@@night6724 Democrats are in the center and republicans are further right than your compass
Dubya is definitely right. HW is more central-left.
You’re the best Mr Beat , cheers from Canada ! You inspired me to love American politics and history even more :)
Really like the music that plays during the political compass segment
I’m surprised Woodrow Wilson isn’t more authoritarian.
Yeah, FDR definitely should have been on the top of the authoritarian, then Woodrow Wilson. I think this guy is biased. Seriously Donald Trump as the 2nd most authoritarian President. He’s not even that authoritarian compared to Obama, Bush, and even most presidents.
@@kylevernon Big time biased. He's "youtube" president expert which in reality means, douche with too much time on his hands who thinks Obama was a centrist and Trump is authoritarian. What a crock of shit!
@@kylevernon Nah, Woosdrow Wilson was a professor, he's the biggest authoritarian...
He didn't put them there. He just answered the questions as he thought they would. The randomness in which questions you get can change things drastically
@@kylevernon I agree that FDR should be probably higher on the authoritarian scale but blame the test for that not Mr. Beat. Trump is for sure an authoritarian, though, don’t get how people can deny that. The guy’s arguably a fascist and is in my opinion. Dude steps all over the constitution like a fucking welcome mat.
The Authoritarian-Libertarian axis doesn't seem to measure state power in this case, rather it may measure conformity to societal norms. This would explain why more people nowadays land libertarian than authoritarian; its unpopular, but I don't think because you land libertarian you instantly think decentralization would be a better way to organize the government, it is a bit idealistic compared to just wanting freedom and equality. You can be pro-freedom and anti-authoritarian but think a balance of state power--using democracy--would be more pragmatic than decentralization of power or strong centralization. Centralization should be its own spectrum.
Yeah, I've often thought of the traditional "compass" as needing to be a cube. But it's hard enough convincing people nowadays that facism is a right wing idea, I dont want to imagine the torment of having to convince people it's a top back right corner idea.
Also, wouldnt centralization have more of an expanding shape? Like a pyramid on its tip, with the traditional compass laid ontop? Idfk. The compass is bs, american compasses most of all.
That was the dumbest thing about the test. If it asks me whether people should do x, I'll say no. That doesn't mean I think they should be stopped from doing x.
@@lukasg4807 honestly libertarianism just can’t and doesn’t work.
@@seanhartnett79 Why?
@@KarmasAB123 a society without a large government can’t work in the modern world and a society without a government is a disaster.
The political compass isn’t the most accurate quiz for political ideologies, but i think it’s a kinda good start
0:53 I remember that i recommended you 8 values some times ago, that's cool you use it now.
@7:42 "Also, I honestly was very surprised to see Woodrow Wilson all the way up here..."
Heh, I'll bet fans of Alternate History Hub weren't...
I’ve been waiting for something like this for forever
NICE ONE Mr.Beat, thank you so much for answering over 2,700 questions to entertain us US history fans, keep up the good work champ!
Mr.Beat: *Answers 2728 questions*
Me, a r/PoliticalCompass fanatic: "rookie numbers."
Jreg needs to see this
I was kinda expecting him to say at the start: "I'm Mr. Beat and I'm beat"
There is no way more than 5 would be on the left side of the graph. The vast majority should definitely be in the blue quadrant.
FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK were actually pretty lect wing. At least in terms of economics.
@@hnys7976 Truman, Eisenhower, and JFK were incredibly reactionary. Especially Eisenhower. I would never classify them as anything close to left wing. FDR is one of maybe 3 left wing presidents.
@@theHippiecat15 Truman tried to get universal healthcare passed. Eisenhower had the highest taxes on the rich and JFK allowed the formation of public unions.
@@hnys7976 I knew all that. That is one policy each and none are very left wing. All of those seem like normal mainstream politics in a country that made sense. All three of them called left wing politics communism and people who advocated for leftist issues were suppressed under all of their regimes, especially Eisenhower's. It is a joke to call any of them left wing.
@@theHippiecat15 Truman tried to get the fair deal passed and universal healthcare was in that.
I like the idea of Jimmy Carter being the most libertarian president since Calvin Coolidge and third most overall lol! Good work though!
So weird I know. :) and thank you!
4:39
I always knew Woodrow Hitl- I mean Wilson was always a fascist.
Well he did sell Poland and Czechoslovakia to stalin.
1939 on repeat.
@@ogweeddeadchannel He literally supported Czechislovakia's and Poland's independence and pressured Britain and France to do the same. And he left office before Stalin came to power.
@@ErmenBlankenberg Well, Poland didn't free itself thanks to usa and Stalin didn't change anything for good anyway. Both Reagan and Gorbačov didn't do much either. It's mostly because Solidaity movement and Bolesław Wałęsa (SB collaborant later turned sociallist icon).
the chart you showed at 2:20 put mao as less authoritarian than reagan, I'd like to see how the creator decided on that
Well seeing as how they put Russia as a moderately right wing nation. That list was probably not made by an actual political scientist.
@Kerbal Miles Ayy lmao
@@donaldtrumplover2254 yeah I dont see how a kleptocratic oligarchy isn't more right, but then again the test is wrong, mixing the social axis with the economic one
Putting China and North Korea on the left shows that they think calling yourself communist is enough to actually be communist.
Reagan was pretty damn authoritarian
Thank you for acknowledging how your biases play a role. Not to say it makes anything invalid, just that we all have biases and we cant stop that.
One of the most interesting trends is the left-economic lean during the inter-war and cold-war period.
Yeah America was actually pretty left-wing until Reagan pushed the country rightward and then Clinton pushed the Democratic Party very rightward before the shift right word the Democrats were economically almost as left wing as the socialist parties in Europe
That was the Keynesian Consensus. Until Neoliberalism came about first starting with Reagan as a backlash to the stagflation of the 70s. But after the Great Recession of 08 Keynesianism has mad a resurgence.
Gotta throw the workers a bone so you don't have a full blown revolution on your hands.
Probably because of Keynes
Dude looks like he just went 10 rounds with Tyson after finishing all the quizzes. That alone earned you a like sir.
I seriously did not sleep much this past week lol
It would be interesting to have each dot be a different color based on when the person was president, to highlight changes in ideology and level of extremism over time.
The fact that he put that much work into it and didn't out a single ad
You need to remember, it’s ECONOMIC left and right. We typically think of social left and right. That’s why we have “authleft” Lincoln.
He's libleft
So explain Woodrow Wilson a progressive democrat on the economic right? Explain that one
@@adrianb8446 espionage and sedition act
@@adrianb8446 you have misconceptions about wilson. He is anything but a progressive he's a southern democrat style conservative.
@@kanaric I’ve read an entire Wikipedia page on Wilson. No where did it say he was conservative. He was a progressive
I know you didn’t actually get to choose where they ended up, but IMO being pro slavery should immediately push you into the authoritarian category.
Whats authoritarian about owning other people?
@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 it’s a massive human rights violation. The government not only allowed but also supported and contributed to the system.
Brian Hill whoooosh
hm, shouldn't this be deeply in economic right?
@@josefmoucka9584 No. Slavery and feudalism are two economic systems completely independent of capitalism. Given the contemporary nature of this quiz, a question about slavery would make substantially more sense on the social policy axis.
I think what I've found the most charming are the stylised portraits of every president, which look like how they would be shown on the money
This test seems more reflective of what you think about the presidents rather than how they think.