Ok, I know everyone hated Eternals, but I loved it and as it was pointed out, that’s the film that finally showed an actual connection between activity out in the cosmos & how they could effect ppl & events on earth. So the stage has been set for that potentially, ppl were just too busy hating on the Eternals movie to notice it.
There is an issue with the idea that the MCU is growing stale and you mentioned it at the start - there is 50 years of lore to be introduced. If it's rushed, with character development not focused on, then you end up with the trash that the DCU and Sony are knocking out.
I think the MCU has to find a balance between mainstream fans and hardcore fans. The stories and characters you mentioned in the video, while totally awesome, are rather obscure and unknown to mainstream fans. With that, I feel that the MCU is progressing in that direction but they have to slowly introduce these concepts so as not to overwhelm and confuse their audience.
@@Britbaby961 yeah but try throwing the Annihilators, the Shi’Ar, Empress Lilandra, Vulcan, Gladiator & the Protectorate, the Skrull Empire, Spartax Empire, etc plus Galactus, his heralds, F4, GotG 2.0 team, Starjammers, Inhuman Royals, etc all into some cohesive storyline. It’ll take a lot of thought to pull off
@@ferrarriohh yeah obviously some characters/factions/celestial beings/etc. need a whole movie, or even a couple, to establish them. They just need to use what they have and expand upon it. Earth team- Moon Knight, Dr.Strange, Scarlett Witch, Hulk is still kicking around, Shang-Chi, Ms.Marvel, even a new Hawkeye and MORE Space team- Guardians, Thor (Odinson or Jane or both), Captain Marvel, Fantastic 4 (after they get a solo movie), Loki, Nova (after his solo movie) ^^^ That's plenty of material to write movies about in Phase 4
I think at this point having a “cohesive” story is going to be difficult we’re slowly being introduced to mystic heroes and now multidimensional while still exploring Gods in Thor 4.
I feel like introducing everything that's ever been in the comics will just kill the MCU, they have to take their time with these things because people are starting to get tired of world ending threats. They need to keep things at a more personal and grounded level.
So true but then again that's what these solo movies are for! The true world crushers are avenger level threats! Which is fine but for me i just dislike the idea of always having to one up the main villian with a villian even stronger.
There’s really nothing to compare the MCU to. They are the first successful comic cinematic universe, so they are literally making the mistakes that come with being the first. All constructive criticism is welcome but the hate it gets is unjustified.
Feels like we’re going in multiple directions. The cosmic direction (Guardians, The Marvel’s, Eternals, etc) the mystic direction (Dr Strange, Wanda, maybe Moon Knight) and the “Street Level” direction (Cap, Hawkeye, Young Avengers, She Hulk, Daredevil, etc) I could be wrong here but it feels like that by going multiple routes they can elevate more stories and no focus on one singular angle based on whatever rights they hold. Obviously the Fox properties through a wrinkle into this but it still fits. Just my two cents though and all completely valid points. Big fan btw!
this echo my sentiments too..I love seeing variety and phase 4 is turning out to be the most diverse in terms of storytelling and directions that they are going in.
My ideal future for the MCU is one in which we have Fantastic Four and Nova and such movies that take place entirely in space/other planets, meanwhile the Earth-based movies deal with the new Mutant phenomena.
With Kevin Feigie saying he's "going to an MCU creative retreat to plan out the next 10 years of MCU stories" it's safe to say we're getting more of all angles of the Marvel Universe. There's so much to dig into.
First of all, I don't think the buildup of Kang the Conqueror is a problem at all. His way was paved in Loki season I. He's gonna be in Ant-Man and Wasp Quantummania and I'm certain he's gonna pop up in mid or post credit scenes in Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness and Thor Love and Thunder. I believe that you've got to start looking at Kang paving the way for Doctor Doom like Loki paved the way for Thanos. What Earth based villain in Marvel gets any bigger than Doctor Doom? And since all this multiverse stuff going on and alternate, variant versions of heroes and villains popping up, there's no doubt that we're heading towards Secret Wars and Battleworld in the MCU.
LaTrone Latham exactly. People are under this misconception that Kang is the next Thanos of the upcoming 10 years and I just highly doubt it. You think they’d introduce that character immediately after Thanos? You’re exactly right; Kang is the Loki/transitional phase villain. He’s the main villain of Phase 4, but he’s not THE guy long term. That title imo undoubtedly goes to Doom, especially given the fact they’re clearly gonna build to Secret Wars
@@rileyribble6733 Thanks Riley Ribble! Maybe you already have, but you've got to check out Tay @KindaCulty videos about this very subject. With the videos I linked to this, he proves without a shadow of a doubt that all this multiverse stuff and variants we've seen in Avengers Endgame, Loki season 1, What If.... Spider-Man No Way Home and now Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness is leading to Secret Wars. And Kang is gonna be huge, but he's setting up Doctor Doom. ua-cam.com/video/Kj00xAdVbVE/v-deo.html
If there's one thing the past Fantastic Four films hasn't done that the MCU can do is make the F4 space explorers. Like make them the Star Trek crew of the MCU. The Earth is already loaded with heroes old and new. Time to expand to new areas.
The fantastic four can work with almost any element in the MCU, space, microverse, multiverse, earth base storys ( on the surface or underground). They have had about every type of story in their comic run there shouldn't be anything they can't work with to set them apart from the others and still feel connected.
Galactus doom kingpin mephisto those are the theats for the upcoming teams that we are going to get in the mcu I don’t think we are going to have one big bad we might get multiple
Mephisto for the magic characters. Kang/ Galactus for the Cosmic characters and Dr Doom for the earth based mainline characters. The evolution of the MCU lies in having multiple Thanos level threats to unify the different tiers of characters Marvel has to offer but the MCU is currently in an internal battle with ideologues who aren't actual fans of the stories they're being paid to shepard and are just all doing thier own thing more concerned with subverting expectations and getting likes on Twitter to tell a multi-layered unifying plotlines that are true to the source material.
the fantastic four would be a great way to expand the mcu cosmos with annihilous and galactus. captain marvel can do so with the kree. the x-men could introduce the shi-ar, phallanx and the brood.
I think we’ve been to space a lot. I think Thor 4, The Marvels and Guardians 3 will take us to space more. I like your idea for the Fantastic Four. The MCU might be figuring out how to introduce mutants as well and that may bring focus back to earth before it expands to the Shi’ar Empire. I would love to see the Imperial Guard though.
I always thought the big mistake Marvel and the MCU made was not incorporating Carol Danvers/CM into a more cosmic role with the GotG or Nova Corps. Her costume update even looks like a Nova Corps suit. It’d fit with her role as a Starjammer crew member during her Binary years.
@@fearless3073 Fox Studios, as I believe the starjammers were introduced in X-Men, although I think almost all space races originally appear in fantastic four, but either way Fox, hence why thanoswas the only space villain we could really use, he was one of the few we had use of.
Regarding Hulk vs. Gladiator, Hulk has 2 things going for him. 1, he's hard to take out completely, and 2, he keeps getting stronger the longer the fight goes on. If Gladiator doesn't know about item #2, I can see him starting to question his ability to beat Hulk, which would only hasten his loss since his power level is based on his confidence. He's start wondering why hulks hits are having more of an effect on him, which would snowball into a worry that his confidence level isn't what he thinks it is, which in turns weakens him and allows Hulk to deal even more damage. Vicious cycle.
@@tharukkus I agree sometimes I feel like rob just doesn't know what he is saying or he just doesn't hear himself talk to hear the stupidity that comes out of his mouth sometimes.
One thing about having multiple storylines that I can't stand (and I think most ppl hate) is when a villain does something in the marvel universe on an earth scale only to have a few heroes show up to stop it (its main heroes from the stories). Examples would be Iron Man 3 and The Eternals. Where was the other heroes? Standing around with their thumbs up their butts? Same with No Way Home too. I loved that movie. Saw it three times at the theater but... where were the other heroes?
I'll agree with The Eternals. The stakes were too big not to be noticed by other heroes. The only explanation I could think of is that things were happening too fast for any of the other heroes to react. For Iron Man 3, the Avengers separated ways after The Battle of New York so I can understand the others staying away but its definitely questionable that Captain America or SHIELD didn't show up. The only explanation I could think of is that the US government explicitly told them to stay out of it. For No Way Home, we have Doctor Strange in the movie so I wouldn't complain about other heroes not showing up. From the scenes we've seen him in since Infinity War, New York is essentially his turf so I think other heroes would be confident that he could handle it alongside Spider-Man. Except for the final act, most of the action was low to mid level stakes so it definitely didn't warrant calling in other heroes.
I really want a scene in one of these movies where a hero grabs his cell phone and calls other heroes but it goes to voicemail, or a cutaway cameo where the hero's fighting one of their own villains and says "Sorry man, I'm busy." Then for one of the stingers the hero checks his phone and his voicemail is filled with messages recorded by the other actors saying "sorry. You still need help?" "What it I miss?"
Eternals was a Great Movie, I still don’t understand how so many people disliked it. Talk about a movie being boring… the justice league Snyder cut was literal torture for me to watch, but has way higher scores then eternals lol
I enjoyed Eternals too... it was very different to what the MCU has previously produced and people apparently don't like change. While it hasn't been initially accept with open appraisal, I think it will age well and people will appreciate it more as time goes by.
@@Nemoticon yeah it was very different. Less funny and less character focused overall. They also build on infinity war and the character of Thanos in making everything about a serious phylosophical question. What I really cant wrap my head around ar all those youtube critics who were complaining about the mcu being all the same and in need of change. But with eternals that is exactly what they critize...
@@leobruch3697 Forget them, they just didn't get it. Eternals was simply more mature, more story driven and with a refreshingly different visual style. I still like all the other productions, but the difference is the others are like pop songs whereas Eternals is like a carefully crafted composition.
The Imperial Guard was the main force of The Sh'air led By Gladiator, Himself. I wouldn't mind seeing Gladiator show up but only during the X-Men Saga in the MCU.
I've always loved the Marvel Cosmic Universe ever since I was a kid, from Silver Surfer to Nova, the Shiar Empire to the Kree, I'd love to see more of it in the MCU. This is why I've enjoyed the Guardians and Ragnarok so much, just crazy shit happening on other planets in colourful worlds, wacky looking aliens and cool looking space ships. My favourite seasons of Agents of SHIELD were when they were in space. The way comics put a spin on the sci-fi theme is just so different to Star Trek, Star Gate and Star Wars, etc, it's just so much fun.
I think you have to credit Keith Giffen & Andy Schmidt with the initial Annihilation concept. Abnett was brought on & took over, but Giffen was the initial guy.
Lmfao, it's similar cause Starlin himself wrote those troupes and went to Epuc when marvel would t let him write how he wanted. The same as when Kirby wrote New Gods for DC, it was just the Eternals story he was never allowed to tell.
The cosmic part was always my favorite part of Marvel [ditto for the supernatural part of DC] and Dan Abnett was a big part of that. He made everything so much more interesting. Loved it.
The main thing that drew me into the MCU was the consistently great cast of characters and for better part compelling storytelling. The recent movies have felt very soulless and haven’t been able to make me care about the story they’re trying to tell. Much prefer the direction they’re going with the TV series, but feeling quite pessimistic about the newer movies on the roster in general.
You REALLY should dive a little deeper into your "research" about these characters. You said Kallark (that's Gladiator by the way) Could take out the Avengers by himself. I guess you didn't know he fought Thor three times one on one (both Thor AND Eric Masterson). Thor was fought to a standstill both times with neither demonstrating a clear advantage over the other and as for Eric Masterson (who was new to being Thor at the time and totally clumsy with Mjolnir) BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM! This was after Gladiator punched Wonder Man through a planet. As for the Hulk, They fought (and you even showed the issue where they fought but conveniently left out Hulk beat Kallark). Gladiator even uses his Vision (I was going to call it "Atomic Vision" but I believe that designation belongs to Hyperion's version) on Hulk but he kept regenerating. Hulk eventually dragged Gladiator inside a nuclear reactor which resonated a frequency of radiation Gladiator was vulnerable to (in case anyone doesn't know, Gladiator can be defeated in 2 ways; one being the aforementioned wavelength of radiation which means Monica Rambeau can take him out. The other is his level of power is based on his confidence level. Shake his confidence and you got a shot at taking him down. He was knocked out by the Invisible Woman because of this. In fact, both his vulnerability to radiation AND his confidence dependability were BOTH exposed in the same issue of the Fantastic Four. The issue #'s escape me, but it was a 2 part story entitled "Man & Superman". THAT I remember) and of course BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM. Point #2: You mentioned the Annihilators being able to beat Thanos sans Infinity Gauntlet. Guess you didn't know Thanos beat the Silver Surfer at least twice one on one (including literally beating the Surfer to death with his bare hands). Also Thanos took on the entire team of Annihilators BY HIMSELF and beat them all (yes we're talking Norrin, Bill, Kallark...do I even need to name the rest? Thanos beat a Superman clone, a Thor Clone AND the Silver Surfer himself BY himself along with the other members). All with NO infinity Gauntlet. I understand you're trying to make points based on your opinion, but facts (conveniently ignored, dismissed or worse unknown to you) trump those opinions. All I'm saying is if you're going to give your opinions in a "matter of fact" manner, just make sure the facts back up your opinions, not dispel them. Anyone racing over here to cape for him (pun intended), DON'T. He can defend himself. Also before you do, please key in on the last thing I stated. Then if you're still in your emotions, come at me.
So the expansion of "Space" has already been in place. During Phase 4/5 Marvel already annouced they are gonna split the universe into Terran, and Celestial stories with a bit of crossover like Secret Wars and Marvels. Nova base story has been released and other Content Creators have already done vids to touch on these Off worl escapades. SSU has also released a few sotry boards on upcoming ideas and things already in the works, utilizing the MCU Multiverse. A lot of this information has been on the web for weeks, so Im not even sure why this video was made.
The one thing that would fix the mcu is set solid rules. After Dr Strange there seems to be just stuff going on with no defined rules of power or consequences. This removes any investment.
I think the MCU desperately needs x-men. They’re essentially the Pathos (rhetoric) in this universe. They can get more artistic and dramatic with the core concepts of mutants. I would actually prefer to see more psychological thrillers, drama, romance than action packed films. While I didn’t think it was amazing, I actually liked New Mutants…. And think that style could open up new doors for the MCU audience. I grew up with X-men and have a strong connection with that part of Marvel and would love to see it be done well this time around.
Yea, I actually liked New Mutants. While flawed, of course, I like the concept. They just gotta get the execution down better, if they went that route. Like, there's so many different types of characters and stories. Every MCU movie doesn't need to be a simple action adventure movie. Even though they're so-called "doing something different", they're really not. The movies are still just simple action adventure movies, now just with a different theme (space, asian, african, wahman, etc).
I prefer the street level side of marvel over the space/cosmic side of marvel because they have better individual stories like daredevil, punisher, jessica jones and them because they deal with lesser threats
Yeah I'm pretty sure people love Infinity War and Endgame and Thanos is one of the best villains of all time sometimes I think Comic Book people have a hard time separating the book from the adaptation
They do, I used to have this problem as a kid back in the day, but realized you are dealing with two different forms of media so it's not going to be one-to-one.
Epic Comics’ Dreadstar, by Jim freakin’ Starlin has all the space opera! I’d hope that could be adapted, but it’s so similar to other properties I’d now advise against it.
I'm actually not a big fan of the space-faring, cosmic Marvel stuff. I prefer the more grounded earth-based stories. I hope we get more of those kinds of stories when the mutants arrive. However, Marvel DOES need a big bad to build to. My thoughts would be Kang (because he's already been introduced and can be a problem throughout time). But after Kang I'd LOVE to see Dr. Doom. Now I love Doom so I admit my bias. But Doom and his ascension to God Emperor Doom (in Secret Wars) would be a great way to connect the earth-bound AND cosmic sides of the MCU.
Why can't people understand that the movies are not comics? Movies rely on various factors that make some types of stories kind of complicated to produce. You can write and draw whatever the hell you want on paper. Movies, however, that's a whole different beast. They need more planning. The MCU has been successful because of how personal and grounded it has been. Because of how well they've written their characters how they've prioritized character development over anything else. Not because of unreasonable displays of power that devalue the content. The action and the fights are cool, but that's not the essence of the MCU. It's crazy to me that over 10 years have passed and people still don't get that. Do you think Cap lifting the hammer and Kicking Thanos' ass for a couple of moments would have worked under comic book logic? No, it wouldn't have. It worked in the movie because there was precedence, there's character implications behind it, and most importantly, because the MCU is more grounded. If anything, I'm glad the MCU hasn't gone the outlandish, over-exagerated comic book route.
How about bringing back Agents of Shield to address the cosmic side of things? Considering they have involvement with aliens, pair them up with the Guardians of the Galaxy and it might be the start of something.
I believe the plan going forward is to expand the space opera part of the MCU and the street-level part as well. No one in the MCU is talking about the celestial in the ocean because Eternals was our last film. And both Hawkeye and Moon Knight are self-contained stories in their own part of the MCU. I imagine it’ll come up again at some point, probably Wakanda Forever.
Both, Both are good. I want more street level perspectives in terms of earth based stories, but would love to see bigger wars to happen in space and possible the beyonders.
@@erik_hirsch If you have a hard on for her say it.. She sucks her acting is atrocious every movie she has been in she over does it like she's actually talented when she is the furthest thing from talent, I tried to watch captain marvel 4 times and i passed out each time barely 30 minutes in. The one scene where she screams at the skrull made me want throw my tv out the window. There are so many other female actors that would be 1000 times better than her.
Another thing Rob is that there will be alot of world building that needs to happen in the MCU so I think for awhile it will not be like the first 10 years leading up to a Thanos but shorter arcs aimed at developing the wider universe so when big bads are introduced it feels organic.
I just want to know how they're going to recon moondragon since she's drax's kid. I mean other then just not mention that part of her origin which would be a bummer.
Biggest thing for me they need to sort is every movie or TV series ending with a duel between two characters with pretty much exactly the same powers and abilities and/or a mass CGI battle against generic identical looking monsters. That's what is getting stale for me. Moon Knight has been a breath of fresh air but I still think the finale will end up being like this.
That’s why I enjoyed Loki’s ending so much. It wasn’t really about a huge battle but a major decision that was mentally and emotionally taxing for the main characters involved. It felt like a breath of fresh air for me personally.
The MCU will definitely get stale. I’m sure the comics had that issue too. Actually, any long-lasting franchise is going to have to contend with that. I think the MCU has to contend with the mass culture, where humans & earth are the dominant factor. That’s gonna make it difficult to do stuff that takes it far from earth, because you have to humanize all the aliens to keep the masses invested. Like, humans are already racist to each other, it’s not a leap to assume they would be even worse with aliens. The comics have to deal with that a bit less I think, because they aren’t as mainstream.
This is a click bait title, the whole video is just I want the Shi'ar Empire in the MCU which is cool but this is not something the MCU needs to fix and in terms of the gods and other cosmic characters, we just had the Celestials in Eternals, the Egyptian gods in Moon Knight, Thor: Love and Thunder is coming which has a god serial killer as its villain and is set in space, The Marvels will probably be dealing with some cosmic villains and the Guardians of the Galaxy have 2 more solo projects before they are finished before we even get the Fantastic Four
I would LOVE to see Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill and the Silver Surfer introduced into the MCU. I would love to see a Silver Surfer tv show similar to the underrated Silver Surfer cartoon in the 90’s. He could later get involved with the F4 and eventually bring in Galactus far down the road. Also, imagine that during the blip, Doctor Doom was removed and when he came back, he came back to the people of Latveria who no longer need him see him as their ruler/protector and he has to take back that rule. That would be awesome and introduce his amazing character into the MCU.
I feel like the MCU has become progressively unfocused since the pandemic started. I can’t tell if they want to focus on the multiverse or going into deep space to confront the cosmic authority of the universe. The fact that MoM and LaT are releasing so close to each other and with those two different narratives in play really makes it feel unfocused.
Well the thing is, there’s so many different corners of Marvel comics to explore, so not all of it is going to become abundantly focused on one storyline, especially not right away. For the time being there’s gonna be a lot of mini storylines. The earth side, cosmos, the supernatural. But eventually, yearrrrrrs down the road, everything will cross in a big way. Aka Secret Wars with Dr. Doom as the main antagonist
I think he’s right that doesn’t need to be a change of pace and the space aspect is one way to do that to take things off of earth to show us truly powerful people and the X-Men or a new angle on heroism.
Give it time bro let them grow. You’ve been making more an more opinion conspiracy theory based videos bro. The ink on the fox deal has been dry. But it takes time. Relax man. Integrating and expand isn’t as easy as you make it sound. Relax. More news to come soon. Jus allow it to play out and enjoy. You’ll be pretty surprised at what’s to come.
@@zackhenderson138 love his videos but man he’s jus theory crafting at this point. You can feel the passion he has for the marvel ips as a whole but dude jus chill lol.
You should def get in contact with Marvel and DC studios to help assist in the “research” maybe direction as well depends but I feel the people brought into a project should look at your channel and comics explained. Truly awesome!
Marvel concluded the best story they could ever tell up until endgame. The people they are hiring for writing these days are mostly incapable of telling those stories you just talked about. Doctor strange 2 was a complete cosmic mess.
Last phrase we got Three big main villains Loki, Ultron,and Thanos I'm saying this to say Kang can be the next Loki or the next Ultron he doesn't necessarily have to the the Biggest bad he can be the smaller one that leads up to someone like Galactus
The problem with the MCU is this they’ve had opportunities to do these expansions and they’ve pissed him away. Thor Ragnarok is a perfect example. The Eternals is a perfect example. Both of those films could have expanded so much.. but instead they gave us a bunch of bro jokes and turn great characters into jokes now they’re going to have to pay the piper for that, unless they can right the ship. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of madness is a great opportunity to do that, also Thor love and thunder presents a great opportunity to give us a very unique villain. But we’ll see what happens
The GotG movie was already in the works when Bendis started his run. He was put on the book to make the brands align, the movie isn't based on his books.
In the end its a business. We (hardcore) fans, must accept they will make it a way that attract people to watch it, no matter how well they know marvel.
The overall problem with comic books is that they are serialized stories that get told monthly across multiple titles which gives them a lot of room to develop a lot of characters and story arcs. This is how you can have the older grounded superheroes fighting everyday crime and super villains all the way up to the larger superhero teams taking on larger inter-dimensional and cosmic threats. It is hard to do this in a movie or even a few movies. And the biggest problem is the shelf life of actors. You cannot expect an actor to stay in their prime and fit like a 30 year old for 20 or 30 years. So the only way to fit in all of this is to have an editorial vision at the top across multiple creative teams responsible for all of the individual superhero teams and characters. This allows you to create story arcs and events on multiple levels, from the individual superhero and villains all the way up to the globe spanning and universe spanning galactic events. While the MCU was able to do this well with a single superhero team in the Avengers, they did it over 10 years and most of that time was spent on introducing the major characters. Unfortunately because these were done in films, they could not actually do any of the major story arcs that were unique to those characters in the comics because films don't have the run time. Also in that time those actors have aged and gotten more expensive. Also, as in the case often in cinema, this climax for the Avengers came at the expense of killing off half the team and most of the big villains, in conclusion of that big epic arc. And unfortunately that is not something you see in comic books as again, because they are monthly stories, they need to keep these heroes and villains around in order to keep interest and customers for these titles. If they really want to do this going forward they would have to plan out the next 10 years including movies and film in a much more cohesive way where the films are capstones of story arcs that are introduced and developed across the various series and films giving them time to do a deeper dive on such things as what some character my be doing on the other side of the galaxy while heroes on earth are doing something else. In reality a lot of these things would be happening in parallel and that is how these stories are told in the comics and all of these stories don't cross over with each other. But that is how you get the sense of the marvel universe being large and expansive, with constantly on going struggles big and small taking place all around the galaxy.
Here's what I think. All the MCU shows Disney+ are building to the Young Avengers. Sadly, I think they are holding off on space exploring and such until after Ant Man 3. I also think we may get the intro to the FF in ant man. We've already been teased about FF in spider man 2. Also... I think they are building to Knull. There's been subtle hints about him. Like Nowhere. That's a celestial head that was chopped off. I think they are SLOWLY building different aspects for the future of the MCU. I have no problem with long term storytelling. I think it's great to keep us on our toes.
Hey, I've subbed your Comics Explained for a few years now. Been missing out on this Channel! I think you're totally on point! I got into Marvel Comics late, in my latter 30's (I grew up in UK so I'm an old 2000ad fan). Your Channel helped me know what I wanted to read & what I didn't, so much. But before that, after the beginning of the end of MCU Infinity arc (Infinity War) I knew it was the Space stories that would hold my interest. I think it would be a disaster if at least Kree & Skrulls don't see more on screen exposition, but I LOVE Silver Surfer - brilliant books. I wait with baited breath to see a silver streak in an end credit scene. Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks, Rob, for the awesome content. I recently tried to sign up for Marvel Insider but I live in New Zealand & can't. You're my Marvel Insider, anyway! I'd love to see a Comics Explained Silver Surfer character feature video...
If I had to guess, I'd say that a lot of doors will be opened in love and thunder. It's a space faring tale, and involves a lot of different planets and races.
I definitely feel it’s time to expand the MCU into the whole realm of the “space opera”. Which I think is where they are taking it. I also feel that the notion of any conflict that doesn’t have the planet or universe at stake is “filler”. That sentiment could destroy the MCU faster than anything. Character focused stories have always been the sure thing (when done right)
Kang isn't going to be a "big, overarching villain" like Thanos was. Hes going to have projects that he's a part of that he's the villain for. Weren't getting anything like Thanos ever again (unless we get The Beyonder in Secret Wars).
Like when the Infinity Gauntlet comic came out, they introduced all the cosmic beings to the world (on the big stage so to speak). This was the time during the MCU Infinity saga to do the same and they did not. At the least they could have made generic Celestrials to join the battle representing the upper cosmic side of things. This would have opened up the doors to all other cosmic aspects of the MCU. But now it all seems stupid when you have to ask the question of "Why did no larger entity act when Thanos had the stones?" If the Celestials would have acted, all beings below them would have had the excuse that it was assumed the Celestials could handle it. Also it seems the MCU has already established that the term Celestrial is a catch all for powerful beings (as they grouped Ego into it and that is not what he is). By going small for the Infinity Saga, it causes more problems for the future. I think so at least.
They should have 3 entirely seperated story lines Earth based story with Thunderbolt and political stuff Cosmic level story with Cellestials Timelines and multiverse story with Kang
While Abnett was very important, he was half of DnA. Andy Lanning deserves just as much credit for Nova etc. as Abnett. Also, Nova was initially a high school student fighting B-Listers in New York (sound familiar?). One of the greatest joys of Richard Rider's Nova was exactly that he grew from a kid trying to find his way in the world into a young adult, a leader and a man to respect. And we, the readers, were along for the ride. Pun intended? Yeah, I think it is.
Honestly the only thing I'm worried about with F4 coming into the MCU is that so many movies/live action shows have done stretchy body heroes and almost all of them have looked ridiculous. How do you make that power look badass? I'm talking about like Luffy from One Piece badass. I'm not sure it can be done without looking at least a little bit ridiculous. Even Kamala Khan didn't get her true stretchy power from the comics. Is it because they tried it and it looked ridiculous? Or because Reed will have it too? If so why does that matter? Plenty of heroes have similar skills/powers already. I dunno, it's an incredibly difficult special effect to pull off. Best was Elongated Man in Flash and he still looked silly AF and was often comedic relief.
Bruh, sometimes nerds should just be happy with what we got now.. 10 years ago you wouldn’t even be able to have this conversation about live action comic book movies.. it’d just be more shitty dceu type movies like xmen apocalypse. Just be patient and let the story grow naturally without the urges to rush things
Rob, you should be hired by Kevin Feige by now. You have a whole encyclopedia for Marvel Comics' story and you have knowledge on how to fix MCU's aspects
It'd be so sick if Silver Surfer and Beta Ray Bill showed up in Thor : Love and Thunder . In a super surprise reveal no one sees coming!🥳🥳🥳😆😁🤣. We party if that happens!
i think we’re just about done with strictly earth faring stuff for now, as the next slate of films (starting next year) is related to the guardians and captain marvel. even thor 4, as you said, seems to be sending us along the cosmos again. also, disney plus is releasing more earthbound series’ for the people that prefer that side of the mcu. am pretty excited.
Videos like this make me wish with all my heart that Kevin F or someone at Marvel Studios is subscribed to your channel, Rob. This is a great point and could upgrade everything.
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Amazing video.
Ok, I know everyone hated Eternals, but I loved it and as it was pointed out, that’s the film that finally showed an actual connection between activity out in the cosmos & how they could effect ppl & events on earth. So the stage has been set for that potentially, ppl were just too busy hating on the Eternals movie to notice it.
Well the voice actor Kentish David want to play beta ray bill so that could lead to a space opera
A Walking Talking C- 😭🤣🤣🤣😭
There is an issue with the idea that the MCU is growing stale and you mentioned it at the start - there is 50 years of lore to be introduced. If it's rushed, with character development not focused on, then you end up with the trash that the DCU and Sony are knocking out.
Marvel has some of the best character development are u dumb. Just look at the disney plus shows
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Exactly!! Please do not rush anything. It has to be built up to for it to mean the most.
Character development can happen in space too...
Yeah totally agree! DCU and Sony want to create stories with one movie, it is really a mess honestly!
I want to see how Moon Knight interacts with the other big screen heroes, without taking away the screen time of the banter of Marc's personalities
Im imagining a quick conversation between 4-5 characters with whip pans, except 2 of those characters are mark and stephen lol
I wouldn't be surprised if when interacting with others we just see him talking to himself constantly
then add Deadpool to the mix.
@@mortagon1451 - no, because then its too predictable and thus cliche.
@@DismemberTheAlamo Deadpool and moon knight are the LAST people I’d consider predictable
I think the MCU has to find a balance between mainstream fans and hardcore fans. The stories and characters you mentioned in the video, while totally awesome, are rather obscure and unknown to mainstream fans. With that, I feel that the MCU is progressing in that direction but they have to slowly introduce these concepts so as not to overwhelm and confuse their audience.
Iron Man was "obscure" when his 1st movie came out. Same with Guardians of the Galaxy
We need to stop catering to the “mainstream” - it just reduces the quality to appease the stupid people, either keep up or shut up
@@Britbaby961 yeah but try throwing the Annihilators, the Shi’Ar, Empress Lilandra, Vulcan, Gladiator & the Protectorate, the Skrull Empire, Spartax Empire, etc plus Galactus, his heralds, F4, GotG 2.0 team, Starjammers, Inhuman Royals, etc all into some cohesive storyline. It’ll take a lot of thought to pull off
@@ferrarriohh yeah obviously some characters/factions/celestial beings/etc. need a whole movie, or even a couple, to establish them. They just need to use what they have and expand upon it.
Earth team- Moon Knight, Dr.Strange, Scarlett Witch, Hulk is still kicking around, Shang-Chi, Ms.Marvel, even a new Hawkeye and MORE
Space team- Guardians, Thor (Odinson or Jane or both), Captain Marvel, Fantastic 4 (after they get a solo movie), Loki, Nova (after his solo movie)
^^^ That's plenty of material to write movies about in Phase 4
I think at this point having a “cohesive” story is going to be difficult we’re slowly being introduced to mystic heroes and now multidimensional while still exploring Gods in Thor 4.
I feel like introducing everything that's ever been in the comics will just kill the MCU, they have to take their time with these things because people are starting to get tired of world ending threats. They need to keep things at a more personal and grounded level.
So true but then again that's what these solo movies are for! The true world crushers are avenger level threats! Which is fine but for me i just dislike the idea of always having to one up the main villian with a villian even stronger.
Right! They need to rein it in!
There’s really nothing to compare the MCU to. They are the first successful comic cinematic universe, so they are literally making the mistakes that come with being the first. All constructive criticism is welcome but the hate it gets is unjustified.
Feels like we’re going in multiple directions. The cosmic direction (Guardians, The Marvel’s, Eternals, etc) the mystic direction (Dr Strange, Wanda, maybe Moon Knight) and the “Street Level” direction (Cap, Hawkeye, Young Avengers, She Hulk, Daredevil, etc) I could be wrong here but it feels like that by going multiple routes they can elevate more stories and no focus on one singular angle based on whatever rights they hold. Obviously the Fox properties through a wrinkle into this but it still fits. Just my two cents though and all completely valid points. Big fan btw!
this echo my sentiments too..I love seeing variety and phase 4 is turning out to be the most diverse in terms of storytelling and directions that they are going in.
This is right on the money 🙌 I agree!!
Shang Chi might fit in the magic stuff
Yea not all of them would need to solve some Massive Universe problem. A more diversed set of Heroes doing different levels of threats would be nice.
My ideal future for the MCU is one in which we have Fantastic Four and Nova and such movies that take place entirely in space/other planets, meanwhile the Earth-based movies deal with the new Mutant phenomena.
Exactly 💯
Richard Rider hopefully, Sam Alexander is so boring
@@NoVACorpsGaming Yeah, Richard Ryder is definitely who I think of when I think of Nova
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This needs more likes, Great insight👍
With Kevin Feigie saying he's "going to an MCU creative retreat to plan out the next 10 years of MCU stories" it's safe to say we're getting more of all angles of the Marvel Universe. There's so much to dig into.
First of all, I don't think the buildup of Kang the Conqueror is a problem at all. His way was paved in Loki season I. He's gonna be in Ant-Man and Wasp Quantummania and I'm certain he's gonna pop up in mid or post credit scenes in Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness and Thor Love and Thunder. I believe that you've got to start looking at Kang paving the way for Doctor Doom like Loki paved the way for Thanos. What Earth based villain in Marvel gets any bigger than Doctor Doom? And since all this multiverse stuff going on and alternate, variant versions of heroes and villains popping up, there's no doubt that we're heading towards Secret Wars and Battleworld in the MCU.
LaTrone Latham exactly. People are under this misconception that Kang is the next Thanos of the upcoming 10 years and I just highly doubt it. You think they’d introduce that character immediately after Thanos? You’re exactly right; Kang is the Loki/transitional phase villain. He’s the main villain of Phase 4, but he’s not THE guy long term. That title imo undoubtedly goes to Doom, especially given the fact they’re clearly gonna build to Secret Wars
@@rileyribble6733 Thanks Riley Ribble! Maybe you already have, but you've got to check out Tay @KindaCulty videos about this very subject. With the videos I linked to this, he proves without a shadow of a doubt that all this multiverse stuff and variants we've seen in Avengers Endgame, Loki season 1, What If.... Spider-Man No Way Home and now Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness is leading to Secret Wars. And Kang is gonna be huge, but he's setting up Doctor Doom. ua-cam.com/video/Kj00xAdVbVE/v-deo.html
Here's part 2 of Tay's Secret Wars buildup video. ua-cam.com/video/1EoJQu0gxcw/v-deo.html
We already have the living tribunal in mom they are laying the groundwork for secret wars
I like this idea
If there's one thing the past Fantastic Four films hasn't done that the MCU can do is make the F4 space explorers. Like make them the Star Trek crew of the MCU. The Earth is already loaded with heroes old and new. Time to expand to new areas.
Like the Negative Zone. Which will lead to run-ins with Annihilus.
They guardians of the galaxy
@@eugenedatsmee The Guardians are more about saving other races and getting paid if they can. The First Family could be more than that.
thats literally the guardians of the galaxy
The fantastic four can work with almost any element in the MCU, space, microverse, multiverse, earth base storys ( on the surface or underground). They have had about every type of story in their comic run there shouldn't be anything they can't work with to set them apart from the others and still feel connected.
Been begging for Moon Knight, Beta Ray Bill and Gladiator to enter the MCU for years!! I’m about 1.5 outta 3 so far!!
I don't think Earth stuff is growing stale. They just need a unifying villain or plotline for all of it to merge into.
Give it time, and Dr. Doom will undoubtedly become just that
Galactus doom kingpin mephisto those are the theats for the upcoming teams that we are going to get in the mcu I don’t think we are going to have one big bad we might get multiple
If the rumors are true there is dr doom and
Namor ( which he may go to war with humanity as a whole becouse thats namor for ya)
Yeah like KANG or Dr Doom
Mephisto for the magic characters. Kang/ Galactus for the Cosmic characters and Dr Doom for the earth based mainline characters. The evolution of the MCU lies in having multiple Thanos level threats to unify the different tiers of characters Marvel has to offer but the MCU is currently in an internal battle with ideologues who aren't actual fans of the stories they're being paid to shepard and are just all doing thier own thing more concerned with subverting expectations and getting likes on Twitter to tell a multi-layered unifying plotlines that are true to the source material.
I dont think they should apologize for Eternals 1, I thought it was pretty good.
the fantastic four would be a great way to expand the mcu cosmos with annihilous and galactus. captain marvel can do so with the kree. the x-men could introduce the shi-ar, phallanx and the brood.
Yes and Magneto Dr Doom Apocalypse. Mister sinister
I think we’ve been to space a lot. I think Thor 4, The Marvels and Guardians 3 will take us to space more. I like your idea for the Fantastic Four. The MCU might be figuring out how to introduce mutants as well and that may bring focus back to earth before it expands to the Shi’ar Empire. I would love to see the Imperial Guard though.
I always thought the big mistake Marvel and the MCU made was not incorporating Carol Danvers/CM into a more cosmic role with the GotG or Nova Corps.
Her costume update even looks like a Nova Corps suit. It’d fit with her role as a Starjammer crew member during her Binary years.
I think Starjammers were owned by Sony at the time 😂
Well, she was Kree Starforce. She went around as like a space soldier, kind of a counterpart to the Nova Corps.
@@fearless3073 But they did own and make GotG movies.
@@Retro_Red She’s basically the Green Lantern of MCU😂 even got the GL of the MCU movie🤣
@@fearless3073 Fox Studios, as I believe the starjammers were introduced in X-Men, although I think almost all space races originally appear in fantastic four, but either way Fox, hence why thanoswas the only space villain we could really use, he was one of the few we had use of.
Regarding Hulk vs. Gladiator, Hulk has 2 things going for him. 1, he's hard to take out completely, and 2, he keeps getting stronger the longer the fight goes on.
If Gladiator doesn't know about item #2, I can see him starting to question his ability to beat Hulk, which would only hasten his loss since his power level is based on his confidence. He's start wondering why hulks hits are having more of an effect on him, which would snowball into a worry that his confidence level isn't what he thinks it is, which in turns weakens him and allows Hulk to deal even more damage. Vicious cycle.
Hulk has beaten him in the comics I can't remember the issue it was in the 90's.
@@glenfordgreen8652 it was the issue shown in the video which trips me out that dude would say what he did.
@@tharukkus I agree sometimes I feel like rob just doesn't know what he is saying or he just doesn't hear himself talk to hear the stupidity that comes out of his mouth sometimes.
One thing about having multiple storylines that I can't stand (and I think most ppl hate) is when a villain does something in the marvel universe on an earth scale only to have a few heroes show up to stop it (its main heroes from the stories). Examples would be Iron Man 3 and The Eternals. Where was the other heroes? Standing around with their thumbs up their butts? Same with No Way Home too. I loved that movie. Saw it three times at the theater but... where were the other heroes?
I'll agree with The Eternals. The stakes were too big not to be noticed by other heroes. The only explanation I could think of is that things were happening too fast for any of the other heroes to react.
For Iron Man 3, the Avengers separated ways after The Battle of New York so I can understand the others staying away but its definitely questionable that Captain America or SHIELD didn't show up. The only explanation I could think of is that the US government explicitly told them to stay out of it.
For No Way Home, we have Doctor Strange in the movie so I wouldn't complain about other heroes not showing up. From the scenes we've seen him in since Infinity War, New York is essentially his turf so I think other heroes would be confident that he could handle it alongside Spider-Man. Except for the final act, most of the action was low to mid level stakes so it definitely didn't warrant calling in other heroes.
I really want a scene in one of these movies where a hero grabs his cell phone and calls other heroes but it goes to voicemail, or a cutaway cameo where the hero's fighting one of their own villains and says "Sorry man, I'm busy."
Then for one of the stingers the hero checks his phone and his voicemail is filled with messages recorded by the other actors saying "sorry. You still need help?" "What it I miss?"
Eternals was a Great Movie, I still don’t understand how so many people disliked it. Talk about a movie being boring… the justice league Snyder cut was literal torture for me to watch, but has way higher scores then eternals lol
I enjoyed Eternals too... it was very different to what the MCU has previously produced and people apparently don't like change. While it hasn't been initially accept with open appraisal, I think it will age well and people will appreciate it more as time goes by.
@@Nemoticon yeah it was very different. Less funny and less character focused overall. They also build on infinity war and the character of Thanos in making everything about a serious phylosophical question. What I really cant wrap my head around ar all those youtube critics who were complaining about the mcu being all the same and in need of change. But with eternals that is exactly what they critize...
@@leobruch3697 Forget them, they just didn't get it. Eternals was simply more mature, more story driven and with a refreshingly different visual style. I still like all the other productions, but the difference is the others are like pop songs whereas Eternals is like a carefully crafted composition.
The Imperial Guard was the main force of The Sh'air led By Gladiator, Himself. I wouldn't mind seeing Gladiator show up but only during the X-Men Saga in the MCU.
We need that story line we need phoenix saga done right
I've always loved the Marvel Cosmic Universe ever since I was a kid, from Silver Surfer to Nova, the Shiar Empire to the Kree, I'd love to see more of it in the MCU. This is why I've enjoyed the Guardians and Ragnarok so much, just crazy shit happening on other planets in colourful worlds, wacky looking aliens and cool looking space ships. My favourite seasons of Agents of SHIELD were when they were in space. The way comics put a spin on the sci-fi theme is just so different to Star Trek, Star Gate and Star Wars, etc, it's just so much fun.
I think you have to credit Keith Giffen & Andy Schmidt with the initial Annihilation concept. Abnett was brought on & took over, but Giffen was the initial guy.
Lmfao, it's similar cause Starlin himself wrote those troupes and went to Epuc when marvel would t let him write how he wanted. The same as when Kirby wrote New Gods for DC, it was just the Eternals story he was never allowed to tell.
The cosmic part was always my favorite part of Marvel [ditto for the supernatural part of DC] and Dan Abnett was a big part of that. He made everything so much more interesting. Loved it.
The main thing that drew me into the MCU was the consistently great cast of characters and for better part compelling storytelling. The recent movies have felt very soulless and haven’t been able to make me care about the story they’re trying to tell. Much prefer the direction they’re going with the TV series, but feeling quite pessimistic about the newer movies on the roster in general.
You REALLY should dive a little deeper into your "research" about these characters. You said Kallark (that's Gladiator by the way) Could take out the Avengers by himself. I guess you didn't know he fought Thor three times one on one (both Thor AND Eric Masterson). Thor was fought to a standstill both times with neither demonstrating a clear advantage over the other and as for Eric Masterson (who was new to being Thor at the time and totally clumsy with Mjolnir) BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM! This was after Gladiator punched Wonder Man through a planet. As for the Hulk, They fought (and you even showed the issue where they fought but conveniently left out Hulk beat Kallark). Gladiator even uses his Vision (I was going to call it "Atomic Vision" but I believe that designation belongs to Hyperion's version) on Hulk but he kept regenerating. Hulk eventually dragged Gladiator inside a nuclear reactor which resonated a frequency of radiation Gladiator was vulnerable to (in case anyone doesn't know, Gladiator can be defeated in 2 ways; one being the aforementioned wavelength of radiation which means Monica Rambeau can take him out. The other is his level of power is based on his confidence level. Shake his confidence and you got a shot at taking him down. He was knocked out by the Invisible Woman because of this. In fact, both his vulnerability to radiation AND his confidence dependability were BOTH exposed in the same issue of the Fantastic Four. The issue #'s escape me, but it was a 2 part story entitled "Man & Superman". THAT I remember) and of course BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM.
Point #2: You mentioned the Annihilators being able to beat Thanos sans Infinity Gauntlet. Guess you didn't know Thanos beat the Silver Surfer at least twice one on one (including literally beating the Surfer to death with his bare hands). Also Thanos took on the entire team of Annihilators BY HIMSELF and beat them all (yes we're talking Norrin, Bill, Kallark...do I even need to name the rest? Thanos beat a Superman clone, a Thor Clone AND the Silver Surfer himself BY himself along with the other members). All with NO infinity Gauntlet.
I understand you're trying to make points based on your opinion, but facts (conveniently ignored, dismissed or worse unknown to you) trump those opinions. All I'm saying is if you're going to give your opinions in a "matter of fact" manner, just make sure the facts back up your opinions, not dispel them.
Anyone racing over here to cape for him (pun intended), DON'T. He can defend himself. Also before you do, please key in on the last thing I stated. Then if you're still in your emotions, come at me.
i stop watching when he said Gladiator can beat the avengers, with hulk and thor included..
So the expansion of "Space" has already been in place. During Phase 4/5 Marvel already annouced they are gonna split the universe into Terran, and Celestial stories with a bit of crossover like Secret Wars and Marvels. Nova base story has been released and other Content Creators have already done vids to touch on these Off worl escapades.
SSU has also released a few sotry boards on upcoming ideas and things already in the works, utilizing the MCU Multiverse.
A lot of this information has been on the web for weeks, so Im not even sure why this video was made.
To sell ads. Just like his last video it was a big nothing sandwich.
The one thing that would fix the mcu is set solid rules. After Dr Strange there seems to be just stuff going on with no defined rules of power or consequences. This removes any investment.
I think the MCU desperately needs x-men. They’re essentially the Pathos (rhetoric) in this universe. They can get more artistic and dramatic with the core concepts of mutants. I would actually prefer to see more psychological thrillers, drama, romance than action packed films. While I didn’t think it was amazing, I actually liked New Mutants…. And think that style could open up new doors for the MCU audience.
I grew up with X-men and have a strong connection with that part of Marvel and would love to see it be done well this time around.
Yea, I actually liked New Mutants. While flawed, of course, I like the concept. They just gotta get the execution down better, if they went that route.
Like, there's so many different types of characters and stories. Every MCU movie doesn't need to be a simple action adventure movie. Even though they're so-called "doing something different", they're really not. The movies are still just simple action adventure movies, now just with a different theme (space, asian, african, wahman, etc).
I prefer the street level side of marvel over the space/cosmic side of marvel because they have better individual stories like daredevil, punisher, jessica jones and them because they deal with lesser threats
@Paraone Ngatai dc has good individual stories because most their heroes protect certain cities and do not crossover to much
Yeah I'm pretty sure people love Infinity War and Endgame and Thanos is one of the best villains of all time sometimes I think Comic Book people have a hard time separating the book from the adaptation
They do, I used to have this problem as a kid back in the day, but realized you are dealing with two different forms of media so it's not going to be one-to-one.
Did Rob just say Ben Grimm is a walking talking crack rock? I love it.
“The Thing…. I neeeeeeeed” lol lol
Epic Comics’ Dreadstar, by Jim freakin’ Starlin has all the space opera! I’d hope that could be adapted, but it’s so similar to other properties I’d now advise against it.
I'm actually not a big fan of the space-faring, cosmic Marvel stuff. I prefer the more grounded earth-based stories. I hope we get more of those kinds of stories when the mutants arrive. However, Marvel DOES need a big bad to build to. My thoughts would be Kang (because he's already been introduced and can be a problem throughout time). But after Kang I'd LOVE to see Dr. Doom. Now I love Doom so I admit my bias. But Doom and his ascension to God Emperor Doom (in Secret Wars) would be a great way to connect the earth-bound AND cosmic sides of the MCU.
Same
Hmm maybe id missed a thing. What they need to fix exactly?
You explain more about the potential rather than the problem
How about not worrying about "woke" agendas? Just look no further than "Eternals".
Why can't people understand that the movies are not comics? Movies rely on various factors that make some types of stories kind of complicated to produce. You can write and draw whatever the hell you want on paper. Movies, however, that's a whole different beast. They need more planning.
The MCU has been successful because of how personal and grounded it has been. Because of how well they've written their characters how they've prioritized character development over anything else. Not because of unreasonable displays of power that devalue the content. The action and the fights are cool, but that's not the essence of the MCU. It's crazy to me that over 10 years have passed and people still don't get that. Do you think Cap lifting the hammer and Kicking Thanos' ass for a couple of moments would have worked under comic book logic? No, it wouldn't have. It worked in the movie because there was precedence, there's character implications behind it, and most importantly, because the MCU is more grounded.
If anything, I'm glad the MCU hasn't gone the outlandish, over-exagerated comic book route.
Having the hulk and thor etc in itself is very outlandish.
How about bringing back Agents of Shield to address the cosmic side of things? Considering they have involvement with aliens, pair them up with the Guardians of the Galaxy and it might be the start of something.
I believe the plan going forward is to expand the space opera part of the MCU and the street-level part as well.
No one in the MCU is talking about the celestial in the ocean because Eternals was our last film. And both Hawkeye and Moon Knight are self-contained stories in their own part of the MCU. I imagine it’ll come up again at some point, probably Wakanda Forever.
Yes :)
Walking talking crack 🪨....... I am 😭 🤣
"Walking talking crack rock" lmaooo Rob lowkey I bet is hilarious off camera.
Eternals was a fantastic film and needs NO apology! Beautiful in scale and every other aspect.
So that's what happens when you smoke crack
for real. it’s seriously over-hated.
Sam Guthrie took Gladiator down by himself. I'm sure Thor wouldn't have too much trouble.
And Ben Grimm is like a walking talking Crack rock. Lmao, nice
"And Ben Grim is like a walking, talking, crack rock" oh my God hahahahahaha
The mcu is now in the phase of living long enough to become the villain.
Watchu mean?
Both, Both are good. I want more street level perspectives in terms of earth based stories, but would love to see bigger wars to happen in space and possible the beyonders.
The one thing that needs fixing is to get rid of brie larson
Easy once X-men is in the universe. Rogue will take care of her and put her in a forever coma and take her powers like in the comic.
Oh grow up ya baby
Why does everyone hate on Brie??? She’s amazing!
@@erik_hirsch If you have a hard on for her say it.. She sucks her acting is atrocious every movie she has been in she over does it like she's actually talented when she is the furthest thing from talent, I tried to watch captain marvel 4 times and i passed out each time barely 30 minutes in. The one scene where she screams at the skrull made me want throw my tv out the window. There are so many other female actors that would be 1000 times better than her.
@@hamhockbeans I really hope they cast the right person for rouge and they don't just use who people "think" is talented or popular.
Another thing Rob is that there will be alot of world building that needs to happen in the MCU so I think for awhile it will not be like the first 10 years leading up to a Thanos but shorter arcs aimed at developing the wider universe so when big bads are introduced it feels organic.
You get the jist
I just want to know how they're going to recon moondragon since she's drax's kid. I mean other then just not mention that part of her origin which would be a bummer.
Imagine in multiverse of madness it briefly talks about an omniverse collision that’s why professor X is in this universe
Biggest thing for me they need to sort is every movie or TV series ending with a duel between two characters with pretty much exactly the same powers and abilities and/or a mass CGI battle against generic identical looking monsters. That's what is getting stale for me. Moon Knight has been a breath of fresh air but I still think the finale will end up being like this.
Agreed. Tired of mirror battles... Especially after a show with a great premise and writing up til that point like WandaVision.
That’s why I enjoyed Loki’s ending so much. It wasn’t really about a huge battle but a major decision that was mentally and emotionally taxing for the main characters involved. It felt like a breath of fresh air for me personally.
@@demonnogo yes very true, I forgot Loki was the exception.
One of my favorite Rob lines to date (casually) "and then Dr doom steals the beyonders power blah blah blah yadayadayada"
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The MCU will definitely get stale. I’m sure the comics had that issue too. Actually, any long-lasting franchise is going to have to contend with that.
I think the MCU has to contend with the mass culture, where humans & earth are the dominant factor. That’s gonna make it difficult to do stuff that takes it far from earth, because you have to humanize all the aliens to keep the masses invested. Like, humans are already racist to each other, it’s not a leap to assume they would be even worse with aliens. The comics have to deal with that a bit less I think, because they aren’t as mainstream.
14:05 you called it! Gorr the god butcher is making his debut in Thor Love and Thunder!
Bro, we are only a year and some change into phase 4. How you got all these problems already? What happened to wait and see how things play out?
Dan Abnett writes some of the best Warhammer 40k books out there. I love that guy
Yeah that celestial mountain should've really been addressed in every show and movie after Eternals even of its just in a throwaway line or joke.
Bro you actually did a good hypothetical scenario thjs time. With how the F4 come about. Actually makes sense
This is a click bait title, the whole video is just I want the Shi'ar Empire in the MCU which is cool but this is not something the MCU needs to fix and in terms of the gods and other cosmic characters, we just had the Celestials in Eternals, the Egyptian gods in Moon Knight, Thor: Love and Thunder is coming which has a god serial killer as its villain and is set in space, The Marvels will probably be dealing with some cosmic villains and the Guardians of the Galaxy have 2 more solo projects before they are finished before we even get the Fantastic Four
I would LOVE to see Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill and the Silver Surfer introduced into the MCU. I would love to see a Silver Surfer tv show similar to the underrated Silver Surfer cartoon in the 90’s. He could later get involved with the F4 and eventually bring in Galactus far down the road.
Also, imagine that during the blip, Doctor Doom was removed and when he came back, he came back to the people of Latveria who no longer need him see him as their ruler/protector and he has to take back that rule. That would be awesome and introduce his amazing character into the MCU.
I don't understand the overall point of this video 🤔
multiverse one Kahn does not equal another varients can be very different
I feel like the MCU has become progressively unfocused since the pandemic started. I can’t tell if they want to focus on the multiverse or going into deep space to confront the cosmic authority of the universe. The fact that MoM and LaT are releasing so close to each other and with those two different narratives in play really makes it feel unfocused.
Well the thing is, there’s so many different corners of Marvel comics to explore, so not all of it is going to become abundantly focused on one storyline, especially not right away. For the time being there’s gonna be a lot of mini storylines. The earth side, cosmos, the supernatural. But eventually, yearrrrrrs down the road, everything will cross in a big way. Aka Secret Wars with Dr. Doom as the main antagonist
I think he’s right that doesn’t need to be a change of pace and the space aspect is one way to do that to take things off of earth to show us truly powerful people and the X-Men or a new angle on heroism.
Give it time bro let them grow.
You’ve been making more an more opinion conspiracy theory based videos bro. The ink on the fox deal has been dry. But it takes time. Relax man. Integrating and expand isn’t as easy as you make it sound. Relax. More news to come soon. Jus allow it to play out and enjoy.
You’ll be pretty surprised at what’s to come.
I've been thinking this same thing for months now
@@zackhenderson138 love his videos but man he’s jus theory crafting at this point. You can feel the passion he has for the marvel ips as a whole but dude jus chill lol.
He’s mentioning things that are phase 6 & 7 possibilities lol. Like damn bro let it build up
And grow.
@@stopcamping3414 lol exactly, I love all the videos too. But I think his intelligence & anxiety overrides just enjoying what we're getting
You should def get in contact with Marvel and DC studios to help assist in the “research” maybe direction as well depends but I feel the people brought into a project should look at your channel and comics explained. Truly awesome!
Marvel concluded the best story they could ever tell up until endgame. The people they are hiring for writing these days are mostly incapable of telling those stories you just talked about. Doctor strange 2 was a complete cosmic mess.
Last phrase we got Three big main villains Loki, Ultron,and Thanos I'm saying this to say Kang can be the next Loki or the next Ultron he doesn't necessarily have to the the Biggest bad he can be the smaller one that leads up to someone like Galactus
The problem with the MCU is this they’ve had opportunities to do these expansions and they’ve pissed him away. Thor Ragnarok is a perfect example. The Eternals is a perfect example. Both of those films could have expanded so much.. but instead they gave us a bunch of bro jokes and turn great characters into jokes now they’re going to have to pay the piper for that, unless they can right the ship. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of madness is a great opportunity to do that, also Thor love and thunder presents a great opportunity to give us a very unique villain. But we’ll see what happens
Thor ragnarok is amazing, but can’t defend eternals
The GotG movie was already in the works when Bendis started his run. He was put on the book to make the brands align, the movie isn't based on his books.
Why a crackrock 🤣
In the end its a business. We (hardcore) fans, must accept they will make it a way that attract people to watch it, no matter how well they know marvel.
Ant man is gonna defeat kang with a fart joke by accident. Nobody will care.
The overall problem with comic books is that they are serialized stories that get told monthly across multiple titles which gives them a lot of room to develop a lot of characters and story arcs. This is how you can have the older grounded superheroes fighting everyday crime and super villains all the way up to the larger superhero teams taking on larger inter-dimensional and cosmic threats. It is hard to do this in a movie or even a few movies. And the biggest problem is the shelf life of actors. You cannot expect an actor to stay in their prime and fit like a 30 year old for 20 or 30 years.
So the only way to fit in all of this is to have an editorial vision at the top across multiple creative teams responsible for all of the individual superhero teams and characters. This allows you to create story arcs and events on multiple levels, from the individual superhero and villains all the way up to the globe spanning and universe spanning galactic events. While the MCU was able to do this well with a single superhero team in the Avengers, they did it over 10 years and most of that time was spent on introducing the major characters. Unfortunately because these were done in films, they could not actually do any of the major story arcs that were unique to those characters in the comics because films don't have the run time. Also in that time those actors have aged and gotten more expensive.
Also, as in the case often in cinema, this climax for the Avengers came at the expense of killing off half the team and most of the big villains, in conclusion of that big epic arc. And unfortunately that is not something you see in comic books as again, because they are monthly stories, they need to keep these heroes and villains around in order to keep interest and customers for these titles.
If they really want to do this going forward they would have to plan out the next 10 years including movies and film in a much more cohesive way where the films are capstones of story arcs that are introduced and developed across the various series and films giving them time to do a deeper dive on such things as what some character my be doing on the other side of the galaxy while heroes on earth are doing something else. In reality a lot of these things would be happening in parallel and that is how these stories are told in the comics and all of these stories don't cross over with each other. But that is how you get the sense of the marvel universe being large and expansive, with constantly on going struggles big and small taking place all around the galaxy.
All this talk about Dan Abnett and his Imperial Guard, I briefly forgot I wasn't watching a Warhammer video.
Here's what I think. All the MCU shows Disney+ are building to the Young Avengers. Sadly, I think they are holding off on space exploring and such until after Ant Man 3. I also think we may get the intro to the FF in ant man. We've already been teased about FF in spider man 2. Also... I think they are building to Knull. There's been subtle hints about him. Like Nowhere. That's a celestial head that was chopped off. I think they are SLOWLY building different aspects for the future of the MCU. I have no problem with long term storytelling. I think it's great to keep us on our toes.
Hey, I've subbed your Comics Explained for a few years now. Been missing out on this Channel!
I think you're totally on point! I got into Marvel Comics late, in my latter 30's (I grew up in UK so I'm an old 2000ad fan). Your Channel helped me know what I wanted to read & what I didn't, so much.
But before that, after the beginning of the end of MCU Infinity arc (Infinity War) I knew it was the Space stories that would hold my interest.
I think it would be a disaster if at least Kree & Skrulls don't see more on screen exposition, but I LOVE Silver Surfer - brilliant books. I wait with baited breath to see a silver streak in an end credit scene.
Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks, Rob, for the awesome content.
I recently tried to sign up for Marvel Insider but I live in New Zealand & can't.
You're my Marvel Insider, anyway!
I'd love to see a Comics Explained Silver Surfer character feature video...
If I had to guess, I'd say that a lot of doors will be opened in love and thunder. It's a space faring tale, and involves a lot of different planets and races.
I definitely feel it’s time to expand the MCU into the whole realm of the “space opera”. Which I think is where they are taking it.
I also feel that the notion of any conflict that doesn’t have the planet or universe at stake is “filler”. That sentiment could destroy the MCU faster than anything. Character focused stories have always been the sure thing (when done right)
Starjammers popping up randomly would be cool in GOTG3
I have never said "HA!" so loudly as when Rob just called Ben Grimm The Thing a walking, talking crack rock. Goddamn, Rob getting savage out here! 🤣
Dan Abnett has written some of the best Warhammer 40k books out there. I hope Eisenhorn gets a movie one day
Kang isn't going to be a "big, overarching villain" like Thanos was. Hes going to have projects that he's a part of that he's the villain for. Weren't getting anything like Thanos ever again (unless we get The Beyonder in Secret Wars).
Kang is the new Loki!
Like when the Infinity Gauntlet comic came out, they introduced all the cosmic beings to the world (on the big stage so to speak). This was the time during the MCU Infinity saga to do the same and they did not. At the least they could have made generic Celestrials to join the battle representing the upper cosmic side of things. This would have opened up the doors to all other cosmic aspects of the MCU. But now it all seems stupid when you have to ask the question of "Why did no larger entity act when Thanos had the stones?" If the Celestials would have acted, all beings below them would have had the excuse that it was assumed the Celestials could handle it. Also it seems the MCU has already established that the term Celestrial is a catch all for powerful beings (as they grouped Ego into it and that is not what he is). By going small for the Infinity Saga, it causes more problems for the future. I think so at least.
They should have 3 entirely seperated story lines
Earth based story with Thunderbolt and political stuff
Cosmic level story with Cellestials
Timelines and multiverse story with Kang
While Abnett was very important, he was half of DnA. Andy Lanning deserves just as much credit for Nova etc. as Abnett.
Also, Nova was initially a high school student fighting B-Listers in New York (sound familiar?). One of the greatest joys of Richard Rider's Nova was exactly that he grew from a kid trying to find his way in the world into a young adult, a leader and a man to respect. And we, the readers, were along for the ride. Pun intended? Yeah, I think it is.
Honestly the only thing I'm worried about with F4 coming into the MCU is that so many movies/live action shows have done stretchy body heroes and almost all of them have looked ridiculous. How do you make that power look badass? I'm talking about like Luffy from One Piece badass. I'm not sure it can be done without looking at least a little bit ridiculous. Even Kamala Khan didn't get her true stretchy power from the comics. Is it because they tried it and it looked ridiculous? Or because Reed will have it too? If so why does that matter? Plenty of heroes have similar skills/powers already. I dunno, it's an incredibly difficult special effect to pull off. Best was Elongated Man in Flash and he still looked silly AF and was often comedic relief.
I always felt gladiator was an allegory of green lantern...Since as long as he believes in himself he can do anything basically
I want to see a film or (preferably) a show about the Starjammers going on adventures, while trying to avoid capture by the Shi'Ar.
Bruh, sometimes nerds should just be happy with what we got now.. 10 years ago you wouldn’t even be able to have this conversation about live action comic book movies.. it’d just be more shitty dceu type movies like xmen apocalypse. Just be patient and let the story grow naturally without the urges to rush things
Does it though?
"walking, talking crack-rock" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rob needs to be president of the MCU !
Rob, you should be hired by Kevin Feige by now. You have a whole encyclopedia for Marvel Comics' story and you have knowledge on how to fix MCU's aspects
Just saying, but I always skip the sponsorship ad part... if they want some new Data
It'd be so sick if Silver Surfer and Beta Ray Bill showed up in Thor : Love and Thunder . In a super surprise reveal no one sees coming!🥳🥳🥳😆😁🤣. We party if that happens!
i think we’re just about done with strictly earth faring stuff for now, as the next slate of films (starting next year) is related to the guardians and captain marvel. even thor 4, as you said, seems to be sending us along the cosmos again. also, disney plus is releasing more earthbound series’ for the people that prefer that side of the mcu. am pretty excited.
I'd love to see Korg's reaction to meeting Ben Grim.
Videos like this make me wish with all my heart that Kevin F or someone at Marvel Studios is subscribed to your channel, Rob. This is a great point and could upgrade everything.
“Walking talking crack rock”🤣🤣🤣