6 essential lessons for women leaders | Julia Gillard and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala

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    In a rich conversation full of practical insights, former Prime Minister of Australia Julia Gillard and former Finance Minister of Nigeria Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala reflect on their experiences as women leaders in positions of global power -- and share six standout lessons on what it takes to lead and build solidarity in the face of gender bias and stereotypes.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 183

  • @trainkinder-getinspiredtol6433
    @trainkinder-getinspiredtol6433 3 роки тому +49

    Every woman who steps forward make small space for the women who come next.

  • @adobeclass3103
    @adobeclass3103 3 роки тому +44

    You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.

    • @cassie8113
      @cassie8113 2 роки тому

      This helped me in an essay
      Thank you so much

  • @adobeclass3103
    @adobeclass3103 3 роки тому +42

    Happiness is not the absence of problems, it’s the ability to deal with them.

  • @mobitelafonia6707
    @mobitelafonia6707 3 роки тому +14

    1) There's no right way to be a woman leader, be true to yourself
    2) How are you going to deal with sexist stereotypes? Talk to your friends and colleagues about this. Forewarned is forearmed
    3) debunk the sexist stereotypes when you come across them
    4) be a supporter of systems that aid gender equality, even if you don't need them right now
    5) reach out and network, don't take a backward step by shying away
    6) the most important lesson of all: go for it!

  • @youngandprofitingpodcast
    @youngandprofitingpodcast 3 роки тому +8

    Julia and Ngozi make such great points. We as women often have a lot to prove to be taken seriously as leaders. It's important for us to remember our worth and the value we can bring to the table. When we show the world what we're made of, we pave the way for women everywhere and truly make a difference.

  • @adobeclass3103
    @adobeclass3103 3 роки тому +17

    Convince yourself that you have the power to be all what you wish to be. It is YOU who could generate in you a huge power of motivation to push you forward and ignite you to think and to do.

  • @ibukunogunfeitimi5645
    @ibukunogunfeitimi5645 3 роки тому +7

    I salute and congratulate Honourable Dt Ngozi Okonjo-lweala on her appointment as the DG of the WTO. The creative thinking + writing sectors are more valuable than the science and technology sectors combined. Pioneer revolutionised copyrights and laws.

    • @Jennifer-yb2lx
      @Jennifer-yb2lx 3 роки тому +1

      Could u elaborate on how the creative writhing and thinking sectors are more valuable?

    • @ibukunogunfeitimi5645
      @ibukunogunfeitimi5645 3 роки тому +2

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  • @joyokafor705
    @joyokafor705 3 роки тому +25

    Go for it...Dont take a backward step.... reach out....believe in you...do it... make a space for others... leave a legacy!

  • @abelmusendek2203
    @abelmusendek2203 3 роки тому +3

    Much 🙏🏿 respect to you former ministers and thank you very much 🙏🏿 for everything you have accomplished.

  • @Bise270
    @Bise270 Рік тому

    As a young african woman leader still climbing my ladder to greater leadership roles,videos like these and women like these encourage and inspire me beyond what i can express on this comment.
    Thank you ladies🤝🏾

  • @valeriesmith9408
    @valeriesmith9408 3 роки тому

    Thank you both, good advice to implement!

  • @wildedibles819
    @wildedibles819 3 роки тому

    Great talk thanks

  • @TrueCrimeQueen
    @TrueCrimeQueen 3 роки тому +3

    These videos are amazing! I always click immediately. Stay safe everyone 🙏❤️

  • @jacobzaranyika9334
    @jacobzaranyika9334 2 роки тому

    Thank you🙏 TED.

  • @GreenMM_11
    @GreenMM_11 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video ❤️🧡💛💚💙

  • @jacobzaranyika9334
    @jacobzaranyika9334 2 роки тому

    Thank you 🙏 Ted.

  • @ProudMele
    @ProudMele 2 роки тому

    I remember the time and place on the 24th of June, 2010 when I first heard that Julia Gillard was elected as Primeminister. I was on the Beenleigh train, riding in the middle carriage on my way home from leaving school early for the day. The train was leaving Salisbury train station and the train conductor had announced the appointment of Julia Gillard. I knew I would remember the day and moment. Not sure why, but I knew it would stick.

  • @beatrizsilfre542
    @beatrizsilfre542 3 роки тому +3

    Go for it!

  • @midastouch9858
    @midastouch9858 2 роки тому

    I have effectively adopted a uniform. It's a colourful one. It's African. It's me. I have developed my own style that I wear everyday and I don't vary from it.
    That has helped protect me from endless discussion of my appearance. It's helped me to get people to listen to my words not look at my clothes....Ngozi Iweala
    A very smart move to avoid distractions.

  • @jacobzaranyika9334
    @jacobzaranyika9334 2 роки тому

    Thank you🙏 Mama Leaders.

  • @mollyhughes4168
    @mollyhughes4168 3 роки тому +3

    Its pathetic how many misogynists came to this comment section because they were upset that they saw ‘women’ in the title. Fragile egos.

  • @hayouwithmaryam8429
    @hayouwithmaryam8429 3 роки тому

    Powerful 😊

  • @YouAndImpact
    @YouAndImpact 3 роки тому +3

    Nice video 👌

  • @nics_win
    @nics_win 3 роки тому +1

    Yes Go for it... 😊

  • @nullnull7495
    @nullnull7495 3 роки тому +7

    yay,Ngozi. Good to see you

  • @SelfMadeWealth
    @SelfMadeWealth 3 роки тому +15

    Define succes on your own terms, achive it by your own rules, and build a life you're proud to live

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому +2

      Achieve it by your own rules? I do agree with you define success on your own terms and build a life you’re proud to live but it’s dangerous achieving it on your own rules.

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому

      @@thegodofyoutube266are you giving your own comments thumbs up LOL

    • @freddobbs8558
      @freddobbs8558 3 роки тому

      @@hit-the-webmarketing657 Ha, ha! Are you the only one watching your own videos? You’ve got, like 100 views combined on all your crap content uploads!

  • @DandamanV
    @DandamanV 3 роки тому +4

    Julia Gillard was treated appallingly during her prime ministership. She did not get a fair go, and was an exemplary leader compared to the despots running the show these days.

  • @fpwu
    @fpwu 3 роки тому +25

    Most of all: As a leader do not hurriedly discount any criticism as sexist to protect your self esteem. Or as racist. Or as [fill in any other convenient apology for your own potential failures]. Look at your own shortcomings first, before you make allegations. Stop victimizing yourself. Stay objective.

    • @Bec_love
      @Bec_love 3 роки тому

      Also women be less agreeable, challenge more and be more confrontational. If you pick up sexism call it out straight away, be specific with feedback and make sure you have witnesses.

    • @Bec_love
      @Bec_love 3 роки тому

      @@-John-Doe- gender is important and is very much a part of people's identity. As soon as a woman wants to be in power now you want us to not make gender an issue? For crying our loud gender is an issue and it is a long way off from being an even playing field. We are still in the infancy of real equality.

    • @emilycawse2606
      @emilycawse2606 3 роки тому

      @@-John-Doe- I must have missed the part where she talked about her genitals...

  • @destinyroney4031
    @destinyroney4031 3 роки тому +1

    Women will continue to stomp out sexism to create a better future! Another great UA-cam video on this subject is Girls Like Us on Planet Classroom Network. This film discusses young girls and STEM, making for a wonderful combination.

  • @lehlohonolomangena6445
    @lehlohonolomangena6445 3 роки тому +1

    Beautiful....

  • @Ojuolape
    @Ojuolape 3 роки тому +5

    A fave! ☺️

  • @Stevo1361
    @Stevo1361 3 роки тому +6

    4:05 sure. Thats why you were elected PM...

    • @Smileyson58
      @Smileyson58 3 роки тому +3

      She was never elected. She stabbed the prime minister in the back and took over until she could be voted out. She is actually a very awful person.

    • @timothyjulius7602
      @timothyjulius7602 3 роки тому

      @@Smileyson58 this is inaccurate. Initially she became PM after the leadership spill of Rudd, but was elected as PM in August 2010 after securing enough independents to form a minority government. She was then challenged by Rudd in 2012 who took over as PM again with the stipulation that the loser leave the parliament. Subsequently Abbott won the 2013 for the Liberal party, accredited largely to leadership instability in the Labor party, but also faced a leadership spill from Turnbull and generally making the first half of the decade a revolving door of PMs.

    • @Willow4526
      @Willow4526 3 роки тому

      @@zUJ7EjVD she's the one who orchestrated the whole vote. How can't you call that a back stab? She didn't even accomplish anything other than ruining the reputation of the Labor party and the Australian government...

    • @Stevo1361
      @Stevo1361 3 роки тому

      @@zUJ7EjVD she was subsequently elected by the population shortly after the coup.

  • @royaebrahim2449
    @royaebrahim2449 3 роки тому

  • @IfeanyiDanielUmudu
    @IfeanyiDanielUmudu 2 роки тому

    There are great lessons here.
    Listening to these 2 brainy personalities resonates hope & enthusiasm.
    God bless you both

  • @luxushauseragency
    @luxushauseragency 3 роки тому +10

    Best part was at 5:25, Question: Ngozi, Where are the men in this? Answer: Hopefully manning up!

    • @handl3_me
      @handl3_me 3 роки тому +1

      Yea, I was cracking up too😂😂

  • @hemaravi7197
    @hemaravi7197 3 роки тому +8

    Amazingly empowering

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    @ibukunogunfeitimi5645 3 роки тому

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  • @mansidasgupta7104
    @mansidasgupta7104 Рік тому

    I. Am. Request. To. World. Women's. Society. Please. Present. Your. Acivements. By. Participate. In. Everywhere. Take. Your. Power. By. Participation. In. Everywhere.

  • @niobull2206
    @niobull2206 3 роки тому

    Efficient ✌️

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  • @hit-the-webmarketing657
    @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому +7

    This is an important topic unfortunately I feel like one of you is reading a script, makes you sound robotic, and I can’t understand the strong accent

    • @veritystuartyep
      @veritystuartyep 3 роки тому +2

      The Aussie, right? 😄

    • @hannahclara7929
      @hannahclara7929 3 роки тому +2

      Because she can't be prepared?? I'm sure your accent is strong too...most are 🤦‍♀️

    • @veritystuartyep
      @veritystuartyep 3 роки тому +1

      @@hannahclara7929 yes, i have a really strong Aussie accent. 😘 all better now.

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому +3

      @@veritystuartyep actually the lovely lady leader from Nigeria is the accent I had a hard time understanding but I listen to her again and everything she said is inspiring.

    • @freddobbs8558
      @freddobbs8558 3 роки тому +1

      I agree, I don’t speak Spanish.

  • @agharohailmehmood4224
    @agharohailmehmood4224 3 роки тому +5

    Excellent

  • @mansidasgupta7104
    @mansidasgupta7104 Рік тому

    One. Army. Women. Officer. Can. Controls. In. All. You. Have. Rule. By. Your. Any. Power. In. Anywhere. Which. Makes. Your. Powerful. . personality.

  • @transferz
    @transferz 3 роки тому +6

    Virtue Signal!!

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 3 роки тому +1

      Isn't there place in society for that, if we remove the people without any from attention?

    • @DandamanV
      @DandamanV 3 роки тому +1

      Funny, your comment is a moron signal...

  • @StraussBR
    @StraussBR 3 роки тому +4

    what did this person do to make her a role model?

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому +2

      Julia Gillard - Former Prime Minister of Australia first female Prime Minister.

    • @johnnyjones5385
      @johnnyjones5385 3 роки тому +3

      She was the first person that made back stabbing the existing Prime Minister in the back acceptable.... After her lead it's has become the common theme in Australian politics....

  • @nullnull7495
    @nullnull7495 3 роки тому +10

    I loved every second of this. Off to follow The two of you on twitter

  • @slhgracecafeministries2024
    @slhgracecafeministries2024 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks and that is inspiring! God bless

    • @DanielSMatthews
      @DanielSMatthews 3 роки тому

      LOL, you do know that Julia Gillard is a hardcore socialist atheist?

  • @foreverlostinabook
    @foreverlostinabook 3 роки тому +8

    Julia Gillard's introduction of the carbon tax at a much higher rate than overseas made her very unpopular. And that is honestly what she is remembered for, in part. After promising not to introduce a carbon tax in her campaign, she f*cked over the Australian public and broke that promise.

    • @southaussie5108
      @southaussie5108 8 місяців тому

      @southaussie5108
      0 seconds ago
      Gillard said before the election " There will be no carbon tax in any government I lead". Gillard, you lied. As soon as you got in we had a carbon tax. How many other lies did you say??? thank FK you were taken out.

  • @cjwallace4559
    @cjwallace4559 3 роки тому

    Women, support other women...yes we have to. There is no Prince Charming coming, unless your name is Meghan or Kate. Father in Jesus Name...help women to read Proverbs 31...the greatest business person was and is female. We do miracles every day...let's rise above all doubt, rise above all fear, and help us to look at the challenges with the answers...in Jesus Name...

  • @DanielSMatthews
    @DanielSMatthews 3 роки тому +17

    Lesson One: Never, ever, tell blatant lies on camera to an entire nation.
    Lesson Two: Never, ever, play identity politics and pretend that people are sexist just because they hate you for ignoring lesson one.
    ...

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому +3

      Typical emasculated male who can’t handle a woman leader

    • @doommaker4000
      @doommaker4000 3 роки тому +3

      @@hit-the-webmarketing657 Your reading skills seem to be below average

    • @Bec_love
      @Bec_love 3 роки тому

      What lies? Be specific

    • @Macheako
      @Macheako 3 роки тому +1

      @@hit-the-webmarketing657 typical female says typical feminist crap

  • @denierlexiese
    @denierlexiese 3 роки тому +2

    What would make people respect these leaders more if they spoke to sexism on the other side too instead of their own selfish concerns. That's true leadership.

  • @lukejones5240
    @lukejones5240 3 роки тому +6

    The hipocrisy is hilarious

  • @transferz
    @transferz 3 роки тому +8

    Oh soo scripted!!

    • @freddobbs8558
      @freddobbs8558 3 роки тому

      Slightly

    • @wwaxwork
      @wwaxwork 3 роки тому +1

      So you've never been to a ted talk before? You know where people get on stage & make a speech on a subject? You really think those people are just speaking off the cuff are you that dumb?

  • @Smileyson58
    @Smileyson58 3 роки тому +6

    By the way Julia was never voted in as Prime minister of Australia. She was our deputy prime minister and stabbed the prime minister in the back and took over until she could be voted out. Funny how she left that part out .

    • @Bec_love
      @Bec_love 3 роки тому

      If a man replaced Rudd no one would care as much let's be real.

    • @karlykd4961
      @karlykd4961 3 роки тому

      @@Bec_love exactly. It’s because a woman knocked him out of his seat. And let’s be real, it’s takes the majority of the party to make that happen. She didn’t do it on her own.

    • @Smileyson58
      @Smileyson58 3 роки тому +1

      @@Bec_love I was no fan of Rudd in fact I liked him less than I did Gillard. She was deceitful and sneaky.

  • @paradigmarson9586
    @paradigmarson9586 3 роки тому

    But democratic prime ministers exist purely to look pretty! Also, pretty funny to hear you repeating nasty jokes people have made and expecting me to be sympathetic and stockhold-syndrome intimidated by having to suppress my laughter out of guilt and fear of reprimand.

  • @Horsingabout
    @Horsingabout 3 роки тому +2

    So much for being a leader. Wasn't Julia charged with treason by Brian Shaw?

  • @Slipstream0001
    @Slipstream0001 3 роки тому

    Ppl say a female led world would be more harmonious but then you look at female dominated industries/institutions like schools and they are just as political and full of conflict, gossip and backstabbing, we’d prob have more bombs going off than ever. The real problem with leaders today as I see it is that cold hearted, competitive & psychopathic people chase those positions. Leaders should be appointed because others note their good humanitarian traits and humble attitudes, instead these types are probably working as artists or in libraries or animal sanctuaries hiding away from the usual mean and fake ppl that dominate.

    • @africarib
      @africarib 2 роки тому +1

      Schools are only dominated by women as teachers, not in the administration in charge of creating education policy. So that view makes no sense.

  • @MrWadeBarrett
    @MrWadeBarrett 3 роки тому +3

    Couldn't pick worse female leaders if you tried

  • @dodgephoenix8044
    @dodgephoenix8044 3 роки тому +2

    Another victim of the glass ceiling lol

  • @johndoe-qo8cy
    @johndoe-qo8cy 3 роки тому +4

    Lesson 1. Stab your own leader in the back so you can have full power.
    Lesson 2. Profit.

    • @Bec_love
      @Bec_love 3 роки тому

      We all know if it was a man that replaced Rudd then it would have been long forgotten. Because it was a lady people got twiggered aww poor babies and their unconscious misogyny boohoo!

    • @johndoe-qo8cy
      @johndoe-qo8cy 3 роки тому +1

      @@Bec_love Show me exactly where in my comments it mentions anything to do with gender or even implies in the slightest anything to do with gender. You're the only one who brought gender into this, not me.

    • @Willow4526
      @Willow4526 3 роки тому

      @@Bec_love thing is mate she used her woman hood as some kind of promotion for her doing that. As if her doing that as a woman was special. She also consistently reminded everyone that she was a woman and not a man. So when the shoe fits mate....

  • @paradigmarson9586
    @paradigmarson9586 3 роки тому

    This is so scripted.

  • @StarvingPixels
    @StarvingPixels 3 роки тому +3

    How is Julia giving advice on leading when she's a failed leader who had to resign?

  • @StarvingPixels
    @StarvingPixels 3 роки тому +4

    Criticism against females does not = sexism

  • @uklorien3477
    @uklorien3477 3 роки тому +1

    So artificial

  • @teslaandhumanity7383
    @teslaandhumanity7383 3 роки тому +1

    Does she ride a moped ? 🛵 only she still has her helmet 🪖 on.

  • @citizensteve6713
    @citizensteve6713 3 роки тому +1

    Win the vote legitimately don’t stage a coo. Most Useless and worst pm ever even worse than Turnbull. But in your own words “moving forward “

  • @stevemolloy2747
    @stevemolloy2747 3 роки тому +12

    It’s about leaving a legacy. Gillard didn’t leave anything except a foul taste of feminism.

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому

      Such as? Maybe you’re the kind of man who she’s talking about she’s always have to deal with misogyny at every turn being a female leader. What’s the matter too much for you to handle?

    • @stevemolloy2747
      @stevemolloy2747 3 роки тому +4

      @@hit-the-webmarketing657 she’s only know for given that misogyny speech.

    • @johnnyjones5385
      @johnnyjones5385 3 роки тому +2

      I have to agree.
      Gillard lied to the nation in no uncertain terms.....
      People called her out on it...... She fought back the only way she new...... Deflection....Everyone hates me because their sexists......
      In hindsight she was way ahead of her time, this is the same policy of the Democrat party today.......

    • @stevemolloy2747
      @stevemolloy2747 3 роки тому

      @@hit-the-webmarketing657 she said wasn’t in the successful hall of fame for amazing Prime Ministers of Australia. Very unfortunate :(

    • @Willow4526
      @Willow4526 3 роки тому +1

      @@hit-the-webmarketing657 you mustn't know anything about her. She wasn't a woman, she was a politician with a vagina who liked to throw it in your face if she didn't get her way.
      Thing is if she was a man people would be calling her a backstabbing power hungry man, but bcos she's a woman it must be sexist?

  • @alphauniformsierraaustrali5302
    @alphauniformsierraaustrali5302 3 роки тому +8

    She was one of the shortest running PMs in Australian history, because she was extremely bad at her job and multiple other reasons. She didn't even last her full term hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • @jaydoublegee2831
    @jaydoublegee2831 3 роки тому +16

    Time to cancel my subscription

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому +2

      See ya

    • @miky8788
      @miky8788 3 роки тому +2

      Understandable .. for a while Ted seems feminism masked by motivational speeches

  • @BlogofTheW3st
    @BlogofTheW3st 3 роки тому

    This is unwatchable.

  • @jameskulevich8907
    @jameskulevich8907 3 роки тому +1

    Why don’t you do something “Pro-American?”

  • @paladinsmith7050
    @paladinsmith7050 3 роки тому

    Didn't even make it 2 minutes without the sexism card being pulled. Women like this wonder why they're miserable and can never work it out.

  • @briany7132
    @briany7132 3 роки тому

    They are arguing the case that women don't have to exhibit "alpha male" characteristics to be a successful leader, but let's be honest, how many passive "beta" male leaders do you know of?

  • @tristand3928
    @tristand3928 3 роки тому +8

    Okay now i unsubscribe from TED.

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому +7

      Bye bye

    • @casual_dismay
      @casual_dismay 3 роки тому +2

      Imagine having such a fragile ego..

    • @StigHelmer
      @StigHelmer 3 роки тому +3

      At this point I only stay subscribed to down vote this garbage. Good videos are so rare these days...

    • @tristand3928
      @tristand3928 3 роки тому

      @@casual_dismay you tell me, hahaa

    • @casual_dismay
      @casual_dismay 3 роки тому

      @@tristand3928 it seems you need telling 😂

  • @Sepp_Tember
    @Sepp_Tember 3 роки тому +1

    Essential lessons for women leader? Why not just leaders?
    How would you feel about a video titled: "essential lessons for male leaders"?
    You would get triggered pretty hard by such a video I guess.

    • @cinnamons2962
      @cinnamons2962 3 роки тому +2

      Most other videos are directed towards males by default. That’s kind of the point? Why are you even here.

    • @Sepp_Tember
      @Sepp_Tember 3 роки тому

      Most videos are not directed towards males, why would they? Video creators typically try to reach as broad of an audience as possibe. But if you try really hard you can find sexism is almost everything.
      Why I'm here? To point out the obvious sexism of this video, which is needlessly only directed to one gender.

    • @mollyhughes4168
      @mollyhughes4168 3 роки тому +3

      @@Sepp_Tember there’s clearly an unequal distribution of men and women in positions of power. This video is encouraging women to step up and balance the scales as we battle sexism in the work place. Its very simple. This video talks about how women are treated differently and held to higher standards than men when they are leaders

  • @LovingTinha
    @LovingTinha 3 роки тому +1

    Leaders? Wouldn't follow these posers across a street!

  • @freddobbs8558
    @freddobbs8558 3 роки тому

    Ha! My “get back in the kitchen” comments keep getting deleted. Will whatever man is not paying attention, monitor your woman’s online time!

    • @hit-the-webmarketing657
      @hit-the-webmarketing657 3 роки тому +3

      Why do you need help boiling water?

    • @jason_em
      @jason_em 3 роки тому +1

      Dude, I have my problems with feminism too, but guys like you make them seem correct that men are the issue...

    • @Willow4526
      @Willow4526 3 роки тому +1

      @@jason_em agreed