The gap between standard S-ranks and limited S-ranks is so significant that even a limited S-rank facing an enemy with elemental resistance can outperform a standard S-rank with an elemental advantage. For instance, Soldier 11 deals less damage than Zhu Yuan, even when facing an enemy that’s resistant to Ether.
Its not a gap, its a Chasm, i.e. Burnice, out of lane, is a better crit dps than Soldier 11 ??? It makes losing the 50/50 feel so much more like a kick to the balls
i like how cc is talking about overpowered limited s-rank agents while in realitty only jane-doe is overpowerd af and others zhy yuan is op - only can perform in stun windows, without nicole is super weak against multiple enemies qingyi - 98% uptime and you have to tap like damned to stun enemies, and koleda,lycaon, anby are pretty similar in daze rate, in some cases even higher ellen joe? - put sharky against ice resists and lose core passive +100% Crit Dmg ceasar - she's jack of all trades (lil stun, lil dmg, lil grouping),so only shield + buff are kinda close to OP, but still in most teams Ceasar complements not replaces somebody p.s. it's a pity to skip that there're 4* that are broken (for ex: nicole, billy, sokaku, seth etc.)
Yes in paper it does feel like that but not really since rn the only character that consider powercreep previous char is jane doe, caesar is soukaku with a shield Since team synergy play a way bigger role in the game than just words in the skill description Like the qingyi vs lycaon in ellen team for example Qingyi have better stun buff but take up way more field time to stun so less DPS overal compare to lycaon just let ellen go ham first then defensive assist to lycaon, do EX to trigger stun on enemy Lower stun damage buff but way faster stun and more time for ellen to deal damage leading to way better DPS in general
The Rina point seems very shortsighted. Yeah, Caesar is nuts, but Rina's effects, even if more specific, has its point of being more powerful than the (very strong) generalist. Pen is quite strong when stacked (thus, inherent synergy with users of Graces Wengine) and she extends shock duration. Her Pen is a nice boost to anyone, especially at M1, but the electric aspect gives extra synergy with shock anomaly agents. She clearly has optimal team placements that, though Caesar could fill, wouldn't be as optimal for damage. Limited characters are strong, especially since they got overly specific dedicated supports between Soukaku, Nicole and Seth. But the none are actually necessary to actually clear end game content. A-Ranks are sufficient, let alone nonlimited S-ranks. It'll be interesting to see how they actually elect to do more challenging end game content. The HP increase in the prior Shiyu was disliked by plenty of people, but it was absolutely still doable for F2P. Different challenges would better, but honestly, because of the nature of the game, only Time-Based challenges Shiyu could be reasons new characters are necessary. Anything else could be completed by simply getting better at the game or more optimal builds and team comps.
yeah Ice, its a Gacha game. their entire point is to make as much money as possible. theyre going to make the new characters as strong as possible to get you to pull for them.
The same people who think the end game content is too easy are the same people who throw enough money at the game to M6 every limited S rank... Try free to play if you want a challenge.
I have to disagree with a lot of what you're saying, mostly from the point that everything you're mentioning you're comparing to early game or when the game first released. Ya the banner characters were better becuase nobody had M6 versions of characters or wanted to waste materials to hit lvl 60 on A's. But now we're in the endgame and a lot if not most endgame players have maxed characters. Billy for example can damn near rival Ellen and Zhu on crit stun teams. And the comparison of Caesar and Rina isn't really good, Caesar offers comfort but for people trying to be efficient or run double teams Rina offers a bigger dmg buff and has a smoother gameplay flow (imo at least). Att and support characters are in a good place, the only part i agree on is really the stunners, but we are talking about the base roster, like ya better characters are coming out, but power creep still isn't a thing until banner characters start to trump other banner characters for the same spots
@joshuajackson5203 for what? If its the Caesar Rina thing, then in most situations I wouldn't use her over either of them. She's really good but she's not the answer to everything.
Keep in mind Zhu Yaun and Ellen are also being phased out as the only characters coming out after burnice is 1 attack character, 1 stunner, and the rest anomoly. Yanagi alone will completely shift the meta towards disorder being king while most of the meta before that is basically now out of date for each player. The currenct meta is going to look like T0: Yanagi+Burnice, Ceaser T0.5: jan doe t1. zhu yaun, ellen, every stunner(since anomoly do not need stunners) T2.everyone left So ya meta shift is already happening.
I think the argument he’s trying to make is bc of the overscalled limited time units to give the people who have those units some form of difficulty they are going to make way harder game modes that the base roster might have trouble with.
Just because you can make every character work through doesn't mean there isnt a power gap in their kit , there characters better than others and easier to play 😂
Pls keep in mind this is a ZZZ content creator. They invest more than the average player into the game because it boosts their platform, gives them knowledge and makes them money. Trust that the average f2p/light spender gamer is not getting m6 limited 5 stars like they do. (I'm sure even m1 gives significant advantages over standard banner characters, but most people don't play this game that way)
Except that's not true at all. Obviously, endgame is too easy atm, but being able to clear the content with just A-ranks means you absolutely do not NEED 2 S-Ranks for a "decent" team. You don't need to be top-of-the-line to be "decent." Heck, Piper/Lucy don't even need a 3rd member to be "decent." Yeah, Piper is less damage than Jane, but everyone's less damage than Jane. Plenty of A-Ranks can be made more than decent. S-Ranks, and particularly limiteds, just need less work to get there.
The gap between standard S-ranks and limited S-ranks is so significant that even a limited S-rank facing an enemy with elemental resistance can outperform a standard S-rank with an elemental advantage. For instance, Soldier 11 deals less damage than Zhu Yuan, even when facing an enemy that’s resistant to Ether.
imagine ellen joe fight against ice-resistance and not activating the core passive +100% Crit Dmg
Its not a gap, its a Chasm, i.e. Burnice, out of lane, is a better crit dps than Soldier 11 ???
It makes losing the 50/50 feel so much more like a kick to the balls
@@Pratish85 get good and lose 5050s 3 times to rina and her sig lol
@@al8704 M1 Rina actually has a buff that lasts enough for a stun window at least
6:21 You forgot Caesar's 25% increased damage taken debuff on enemies. And if you have her m1 also an 15% res debuff.
i like how cc is talking about overpowered limited s-rank agents while in realitty only jane-doe is overpowerd af and others
zhy yuan is op - only can perform in stun windows, without nicole is super weak against multiple enemies
qingyi - 98% uptime and you have to tap like damned to stun enemies, and koleda,lycaon, anby are pretty similar in daze rate, in some cases even higher
ellen joe? - put sharky against ice resists and lose core passive +100% Crit Dmg
ceasar - she's jack of all trades (lil stun, lil dmg, lil grouping),so only shield + buff are kinda close to OP, but still in most teams Ceasar complements not replaces somebody
p.s. it's a pity to skip that there're 4* that are broken (for ex: nicole, billy, sokaku, seth etc.)
Yes in paper it does feel like that but not really since rn the only character that consider powercreep previous char is jane doe, caesar is soukaku with a shield
Since team synergy play a way bigger role in the game than just words in the skill description
Like the qingyi vs lycaon in ellen team for example
Qingyi have better stun buff but take up way more field time to stun so less DPS overal compare to lycaon just let ellen go ham first then defensive assist to lycaon, do EX to trigger stun on enemy
Lower stun damage buff but way faster stun and more time for ellen to deal damage leading to way better DPS in general
The Rina point seems very shortsighted. Yeah, Caesar is nuts, but Rina's effects, even if more specific, has its point of being more powerful than the (very strong) generalist. Pen is quite strong when stacked (thus, inherent synergy with users of Graces Wengine) and she extends shock duration. Her Pen is a nice boost to anyone, especially at M1, but the electric aspect gives extra synergy with shock anomaly agents. She clearly has optimal team placements that, though Caesar could fill, wouldn't be as optimal for damage.
Limited characters are strong, especially since they got overly specific dedicated supports between Soukaku, Nicole and Seth. But the none are actually necessary to actually clear end game content. A-Ranks are sufficient, let alone nonlimited S-ranks.
It'll be interesting to see how they actually elect to do more challenging end game content. The HP increase in the prior Shiyu was disliked by plenty of people, but it was absolutely still doable for F2P. Different challenges would better, but honestly, because of the nature of the game, only Time-Based challenges Shiyu could be reasons new characters are necessary. Anything else could be completed by simply getting better at the game or more optimal builds and team comps.
M6 nicole is not hard to get, a little harder to play but about the same as rina
yeah Ice, its a Gacha game. their entire point is to make as much money as possible. theyre going to make the new characters as strong as possible to get you to pull for them.
The only thing S ranks do is make it more easier that’s about it
The same people who think the end game content is too easy are the same people who throw enough money at the game to M6 every limited S rank... Try free to play if you want a challenge.
@@robertkolb2288 I only buy the monthly pass and my S ranks are M0 😅
@@Ragnarok-7 Well then I just suck at this game then, lol.
I have to disagree with a lot of what you're saying, mostly from the point that everything you're mentioning you're comparing to early game or when the game first released. Ya the banner characters were better becuase nobody had M6 versions of characters or wanted to waste materials to hit lvl 60 on A's. But now we're in the endgame and a lot if not most endgame players have maxed characters. Billy for example can damn near rival Ellen and Zhu on crit stun teams. And the comparison of Caesar and Rina isn't really good, Caesar offers comfort but for people trying to be efficient or run double teams Rina offers a bigger dmg buff and has a smoother gameplay flow (imo at least). Att and support characters are in a good place, the only part i agree on is really the stunners, but we are talking about the base roster, like ya better characters are coming out, but power creep still isn't a thing until banner characters start to trump other banner characters for the same spots
yep, billy - the strongest
....just use nicole...
@joshuajackson5203 for what? If its the Caesar Rina thing, then in most situations I wouldn't use her over either of them. She's really good but she's not the answer to everything.
@@gormleypeach5809 Neither is just about every unit in this easy game? Do you have M6 nicole?
ombg
Keep in mind Zhu Yaun and Ellen are also being phased out as the only characters coming out after burnice is 1 attack character, 1 stunner, and the rest anomoly. Yanagi alone will completely shift the meta towards disorder being king while most of the meta before that is basically now out of date for each player. The currenct meta is going to look like
T0: Yanagi+Burnice, Ceaser
T0.5: jan doe
t1. zhu yaun, ellen, every stunner(since anomoly do not need stunners)
T2.everyone left
So ya meta shift is already happening.
You can play with whoever you want and make it through the game so I don’t agree with this at all
I think the argument he’s trying to make is bc of the overscalled limited time units to give the people who have those units some form of difficulty they are going to make way harder game modes that the base roster might have trouble with.
Thats because were early in the game. Power scalings of bosses and mobs havnt actually scaled up yet
Wasn’t my point as I agree with that XD Limited characters have just made the game way too easy and made standard 5 stars lose value too quickly.
Just because you can make every character work through doesn't mean there isnt a power gap in their kit , there characters better than others and easier to play 😂
*diluc intensifies*
They are way better, by design. That's okay if the content remains clearable by standard 5* characters.
Pls keep in mind this is a ZZZ content creator. They invest more than the average player into the game because it boosts their platform, gives them knowledge and makes them money. Trust that the average f2p/light spender gamer is not getting m6 limited 5 stars like they do. (I'm sure even m1 gives significant advantages over standard banner characters, but most people don't play this game that way)
Talking from M0 perspective, limited 5 stars are still towering over standard 5 stars and makes endgame a joke
Now standard characters suck execpt s11 and grace
The fact that everyone just in decent team needs at least two 5 stars says a lot about the gacha situation in this game
Or Jane Doe, she doesn't even need anything else to clear in time and easily
Except that's not true at all. Obviously, endgame is too easy atm, but being able to clear the content with just A-ranks means you absolutely do not NEED 2 S-Ranks for a "decent" team.
You don't need to be top-of-the-line to be "decent." Heck, Piper/Lucy don't even need a 3rd member to be "decent." Yeah, Piper is less damage than Jane, but everyone's less damage than Jane.
Plenty of A-Ranks can be made more than decent. S-Ranks, and particularly limiteds, just need less work to get there.
Same my jane doe team is Seth and Lucy and I clear all
No? You can clear all the content with 4 stars. It’s doable if you actually invest in them