Can I print it before GW ship it?
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2022
- Can I 3D print an equivalent set to Games Workshop's new army box Cadia Stands before they even release it?
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Ich spiele zwar keine Imps, fand die Modelle aber so toll, dass ich gerade deine Batterien gekauft habe einfach für den Fall falls ich mal Imps spielen könnte/möchte 🤣
This is the kind of video I missed so far in the 3d printing wargaming sphere! Everybody prints and paints, but with the interviews and the technical aspects... this video is giving me "value" beyond entertainment. Keep it up.
This went from a wacky “stick it to GW” video to an extremely interesting technical analysis and discussion around 3D printing
Pausing the video now to say I love the interviews you're having with these creators. I love that you always shine a spotlight on creators. I think it's interesting how they both respond to the issue of sharing their models because it is a sort of gray area. It's interesting the mix of "attempting to copy 1 to 1" and "these are based on models but with our own spin on them". I don't know if there is a great/correct answer for whether if it's bad or good to to create these models, whether or not to charge for them, or if people are right to buy/print these models out. However, I think this discussion is important and is one that people should be having. Your rpints and models looks great also! cool paintjob!
Appreciate all the work you do for your videos!
There may even be different 1:1 vs. inspired by answers when considering models that are very IP-specific (like the walker... though that in turn was probably "inspired by" an AT-ST) :) and a piece of field artillery that's not really that far removed from an historical design like a 6-pounder or a Nebelwerfer.
Appreciate your input!
as an illustrator, i'd be thrilled if someone copied my work... non profit.
that's like a huge compliment.
if they try to copy it and sell it... well that kinda sucks.
also context dependend woudn't mind a 16 year old making 200€ of my design, but when some online shop prints it on t shirt well.....
and i'm not designing as a job for a multimillion company that's also another perspective but one i can't comment on^^
But it's not like GW Designers invented AT's or Flamethrowers.
Hellboy has a biological powerfist aswell.
99% of concepts used in WH are ''stolen'' ideas some more than others...
the whole chaos thing? --> taken from a book never even credited the author....^^ i will: Michael Moorcock's Elric saga
for me atleast, if they really just try to nail it 1n1 then selling is shady.
if they use these figures as inspiration and i do think they are capeable... of even making a better model^^
but ofc people want to buy EXACTLY that official model...or close to as possible.
so i see that conflict aswell and can't blame dudes for making some side money+
GW can just watch quietly in shame when it comes to taking someones work and profiting of it...
i mean they tried to copyright Elves Dwarfs and Orcs ... can u imagin?
Sorry for the wall of text
That interview about differences in settings and resin properties were REALLY insightful!
As others have said, the interviews with designers/modelers makes these episodes incredibly insightful, and I honestly find them to be the cream of the crop of resin 3d printing videos. I love learning more than a basic 'look at this product' or a 'how to' featuring a surface-level 101 understanding regarding a single setting. Look forward to more in the future!
Ty is a legend he literally sat down with me for over an hour going through settings with me I learnt so much
Title kinda buries the lede. Very interesting discussions and viewpoints here.
I love all the value you provide us, all with a fun video too. Thanks for all the projects you take on to help 3d printing become more reliable.
Fantastic video. To weigh in on the piracy aspect, and whether it hurts GW... My own opinion is that I think it hurts them far less than they think it will. For someone like myself who is a fringe player of 40k, I've owned several thousand points worth of 40k armies in the past (which has all been sold now), I have no desire to get back into the hobby as the models are cost prohibitive for me. However, I do own a 3d printer and if I could make my own armies for a fraction of the price and play again, or get into the modelling side of the hobby too, I may well do that. If I choose to go down that route, GW will be net positive from me as I'll be buying bits and pieces here and there, paints, rulebooks etc. etc., so without piracy they no longer have me as a customer, and with it, they have a customer that they otherwise would not.
Excellent video. Hearing the people behind these designs was a rare treat. 3d printing tends to be such a taboo subject but hearing what this community has to offer is pretty awesome. Keep up the amazing work man.
the little sound effects added during painting and basing are great e.g. the texta writing scratching sound, the water sound for the glue, the dirt being moved around for the basing mix being added. Small effects but have a big impact.
Great work man
Thank you very much!
Dude, phenomenal video !
So educational, loved those interviews. Honestly, you're the king of 3D printing videos, slick visuals, buttery audio, and interesting topics.
Keep doing what you're doing, it's always a pleasure to see what you come out with - like I genuinely look forward to watching it ! :D
Haha awesome, thanks man!
hey, thanks for featuring my work on this video! (I'm the maker of the sentinel model) love the result, seing the process and all those insights is really nice
How do I find the model?
Good job you did there.
@@maciejkoodziejczak5884 there are instructions on how to find the page in the description. we didnt want to include a direct link to avoid getting striked by GW ^^'
@@guillaumebolis7611 Yeah, thanks, I wrote the comment like 30% into the video and then he just shows the filename to look for. Thanks for a great piece of a model! :)
Thank you Guillaume for being a part of this video! Was awesome chatting with you as well as printing and painting up that epic sentinel 😎
I have to say, after 15 years I'm looking at getting back into Warhammer, been doing piles of reading and watching video's. Stumbled across your channel while looking into 3D printers, which I didn't know existed. I really love all the video's you do, went through your whole back-log as well. Made a follower of me for sure! Keep up the fantastic work, and who knows, maybe I will get back into the hobby again.
3D printing is a really great way to enjoy the hobby these days, hope you take the plunge and thanks for checking out the channel!
I got my photon mono with a free bottle of resin off ebay for $190 in august...cheaper than a gw army box!
WOW! Thanks especially for the interview with the cones guy. It's already obvious that the cones are kind of support test around 0.3mm but have him talk about it plus the resin examples with zmud and tenacious is gold!
Oh yes and btw, good paint job!
GW need to release affordable 3d options and get in on the action 😂
I agree, they should sell a subscription for access to a faction or all factions, sell GW approved Resin, have a community on helping clients print their models. Sort of like buying a computer printer now. However come to think of it, I realize GW will still find a way to screw the customer over, but if I could 3D print my Imperial Guard army, I would. No way I can invest 1.5k on models alone in this economy, without the ability to print more.
happy to support mate :D my name on a guardsmen with a plasma gun heck yeah @38:18
Yes it is a great time, can I stop smiling now :O
You keep that smile on your face Guardsman!
Don't stop making content ever!! love your approach and production value!!!!
Thanks, I'll do my best!
Wow! this video is absolutely awsome! Its the most detailed and well themed video i've seen for 3D printing content. Please keep up the great work! :D
Interesting to hear the sculpters talk about why they make what they make, I don't see much off the 40k printing scene, but it looks huge, interesting to see 2 totally different POV's here
This video fills me with hope for the hobby.
About 11 months ago I developed RSI on the job working for GW, and they treated me awfully. I used to warn my manager about the incoming affect 3d printing was bound to have on the business and he used to snub me and tell me it'll never be as good.
Screw that company, they're 100% the biggest problem in the hobbyspace. Just like any other creative innovation, their models have always been iterations of models and ideas that came before them.
I don't believe they are going to be able to protect their IP because the truth on all that is out and spread wide.
The models you've printed look amazing, and having seen the 3d sculpting myself from inside HQ, probably of a higher detail and quality.
Sorry to hear about your experience at GW! I love what they've created with Warhammer but yeah it's hard to be a fan of the company. 3D printing is clearly the better fit for the hobby at this point.
Super stoked that you gave the Conjure Sculpt resin a shot!
17:14 with some TUP in the background, what a real man
Also thanks for supporting the sentinel! Most appreciated ❤
i love this video. so refreshing from all the print and paint vids. keep up the good work!
Great discussion with Ty from Tableflip - calibrating one of my printers at the moment and ran into the same scenario that I felt the Cones were giving me over-exposed settings. The guys on the Tableflip discord are really helpful. Looking forward to your vid on this.
A ultrasonic waterbath does an amazing job at cleaning resin prints. Even better than a 'wash & cure station'.
the cones guy had so much helpful insight. nailed the "how do guys"
One of the most genuinely informative videos I've seen on 3d printing in a while, all wrapped up in my favorite hobby
Amazing video
That interview with Ty was fascinating and I'm glad you decided to keep the whole segment instead of cutting it.
Great video; really good stuff. Loved the " 'ow do guys" impression too :D
Just got a photon mono x 6 k and I'm printing the sentinel for my first print. Love the channel thank you for all the support. Looking forward to the next video.
This was great! The interviews really gripped me in particular, and looking forward to more minis content :3
Just discovered your channel and omg your video are so interesting, the advice on making and supporting files, 3D printing tips&tricks and even the painting "guide" parts of the video, ALL of this is really well thought, It's just seems so easy to follow and understand. Keep up the good works !
Awesome!
This was by far the most beneficial video I've watched since joining the 3d printing universe. Thank you for taking the time to interview the experts. I really think you have a good thing going and should make a show doing the interviews. Keep up the great work by man!😊
You are doing gods work, keep putting out awesome content - I am here for all of it. Very excited for the video comparing different resins!
hey mate, what a great video, I like how much you displayed all the steps in your endeavor, it's quite unique and comforting when engaging in a task myself, as it gives a good playbook to tackling these technical/creative issues as they arise.
Thank you for the amazing content as always, I have actually bought a 3D Printer, and wash/ cure station for this very reason and your ability to give lots of info while keeping it fun and well edited and commentated so thank you again.
Honestly, i realy like the paint job. I don't know but it gives me like a grimdark comic style vibe.
Love ur vids, keep up the good work!
Cones part is pretty interesting. My feeling is the story only holds up is there is 1 proper standard how models are pre-supported (thickness etc.). But in the end the assumption is, as long as you keep overexposing more and more, in the end you won't get a misprint. But yeah... you sacrifce dimensional accuracy.
If you don't care about dimensional accuracy then, apart from maybe bigger build plates and a faster printer you don't need the expensive 4K/8K stuff. You throw it away anyway, to a certain degree.
Other way around would be more interesting --> if you dial in your printer for dimensional accuracy --> then print the cones --> they teach you what kind of supports would work --> that way you can make sure your own supports are OK.
Of course at the sacrifice that you need to put some work in yourself instead of click and print.
So it's a different approach aiming for a different goal. But still not sure given pre-supported model support variations how universal it actually is.
Subbed because of those interviews. Taking the time to get in contact made all the difference to this video.
By far one of the best 3D printing and miniature channels on UA-cam, no idea why you don't have more subscribers yet!
Came for the guard proxies, stayed for the calibration lecture :) Im a design engineer and one of the things we balance in a design is the needed strength for a part to keep the stresses within acceptable values :) so often we have to adjust the design so the part would be strong enough for its intended use
Holy shit, this was an educational video. These interviews and questions are incredible. Even after years of printing so much clicked for me in this video.
Awesome!
This is f**king good video, all the cameos made it 10/10
Came for what I thought was going to be a funny video, stayed to learn.
This is quite a stellar channel to find.
I came expecting to see neat warhammer prints.
Instead, I got some genuinely amazing knowledge on printing and troubleshooting, alongside the way these prints are made.
Well done. I'm shocked you kept it so engaging, too.
To answer the question of what is perfect exposure;
As I've always seen it, it's the ratio of reliability vs accuracy.
That ratio depends on the individual and their print. Some folk are fine with failures, some folk hate them. Some folk need a 30 minute print, and so will be willing to put up with failures so long as their bed is full of some successes at that speed. Sone folk have a five day print that would set them back ages if it fails.
These people need different ratios of reliability to accuracy.
Incidentally, this is the same thing for 'perfect supports'.
Maximum reliability for minimum damage.
Nobody likes support marks. But nobody likes failed prints either.
So compromises must be met, and balances struck.
Stoked you found your way here!
Hey man great video! I'm the pre-supporter for Atlan Forge and i've shared this with all our people on discord, very informative! I also shared the mini-rater site and urged people to contribute ;)
Awesome! I'll have to try out some Atlanforge minis one of these days
Another bang-up video! Definitely going to continue being subbed and look forward to your extensive comparison of resins in the coming year. it will be useful when I finally start 3d printing crispy minis.... and will then be updating your tier list!
Epic!
Those interviews were really great and insightful. Great video that didn't feel long at all
Excellent video. Did a ton of resin testing and settled on using "8K" resin on my 4K printers. I like the detail I get from 8K resin. I use Phrozen's 8K resin mixed with 10% Tenacious. Calibrated with the Cones of Calibration and I can print minis reliably. With the money saved on not buying physical mini's, I invest that into good resin.
That was incredible video! Extremely detailed and I learned so much! I just got my Eleagoo Saturn 2, still in the box. This really helps me figure out the kind of resin I need to look into and I learned a lot about exposure times. Thank you! I definitely am subbing!
Thanks!
Wonderful video. I enjoyed it very much, top models and such a cool in dept analysis with the 3D artists
Dude this video was so good. thanks for the super indepth process. I started something similar trying to make a imperial knights christmas box.
I was fairly appalled when I saw the new Guard army set, couple of squads, command team, a sentinel and 3 field guns, the old set 2 squads, a command team, a heavy weapons squad a russ and a chimera.... The field guns are equal to two separate vehicle kits... really! This is the reason my current Guard army is being built from 3rd party models.
had the necrons void dragon printed and painted and brought it to a game at a warhammer store before it was available for sale
16:26 Yes that sound is normal. It is the bottom spinny part of the machine hitting against a piece of a printed mini. Just make sure no small parts are sticking through the bars at the bottom and the sound will go away.
16:48 Well I should’ve watched longer 😂
Just stumbled here and tripped on a subscription. Great video mate. Haven't seen many great Aussie producers but this is a really good watch so far (~10m). Howdy from QLD.
Awesome, thank you! Hello from Sydney 😄
I recomend taking off the support of the big things before putting into the wash and cure, you will have better cleaning results!, nice challenge btw!
IMO 3D printing absolutely is a threat to GW and that's a good thing!
Holy shit, I'm glad I found this video even though I tend to skip over anything focusing on GW stuff. Super insightful stuff on resin calibration, really helpful!
One of the big reasons why stl files come with errors is that they get corrupted during upload stage. I had bit of a back and forth with one creator on MMF where I basically checked their files for them as a customer and they kept reuploading the files and I kept finding errors such as straight up just holes in them that you can't fix with stuff like lychee because lychee doesn't think they're broken.
According to them the files were always fine on their end, so what they ended up having to do was download the files through MMF, then repair those and upload those and then they eventually stopped getting corrupted on upload.
I've been am avid 3d printer for years and I gotta say this was an amazing video! Especially when you talked with the cones guy! I've been printing for years and I still learned a good amount! You easily earned my subscription
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think it's really great to have learned a lot about resin printing.
As someone who just got into wh40k near the end of 8th edition with Imperial Guard, I don't really have a problem with 3d printing and attempting to recreate models that gw themselves are putting out. The sheer fact of the matter is that GW has some of the highest profit margins of any company, their products are remarkably cheap to create, and they sell them for some of the highest prices in the industry. That combined with their routine decisions to rather make the game worse than to allow other companies to make models for older units and options that were still in the rules but not made by gw anymore, as well as recent decisions regarding raising their prices for retailers and local game stores to acquire their products makes me not really worried if 3d printing is hurting GW anymore since they themselves seem so focused on improving their margins while providing none of those savings to their customers at all.
I absolutely hate that GW, or Warhammer as they're called now, are so harsh on stopping older models that THEY DON'T MAKE ANYMORE! Like why? It does Nothing to reduce their profits.
Meanwhile CGL with Battletech included a flyer for 3 different mini makers who do old or not currently in production mechs in my beginner box. Metals, old plastics, and plastics that are just currently not in production (New models but no current factory line)
What an amazing video. I still have a lot of questions but I think I'm a bit more prepared to start my 3D printing journey.
Thank you!
Amazing video - especially the interwiew about the resin and cones of calibration. Just adding 2cents from anycubic wash and cure machine side (the small one, coming with photon mono 4k). The machine comes with an underlying reflecting/mirror foil disc (like a really thin cd) which does help with curing from the bottom, pretty ingenious.
Got to say this vid has been in my recommended for a while, but I've been putting it off because I assumed it would be one of those long, drab, poorly edited walkthroughs of 3D printing. How sorely mistaken I was.
Even though I don't yet 3D print in the hobby, this was one of the best introductions technically about the science and art balance of it I've seen. Every minute kept my attention even though the bulk of what I came to watch was in the last 10 minutes or so. Aces all round
One HUGE THANK YOU for all your effort and sharing!
My pleasure!
Regarding: "there is no such thing as a 'consistent rating' because every printer/resin combo has so many variables up in the air, so Minirater is a bit waffley."
I think Minirater is still an important project, because there are plenty of elements to these model patreons/shops/kickstarters than just 'does my first print succeed with minimal calibration'. Customer service, file organization, if files are corrupted or have lots of topology errors, islands, etc. And even when only referring to the 'printability' of files and presupports, having a community average score is an excellent resource, even if you feel it necessary to put a big asterisk next to those specific scores say YMMV.
I enjoy these 3d army printing videos more then I should 😂 love it man
Great video, shame the upgrade to the old printer had some issues, but it's encouraging to hear about 4k retrofits in the pipeline; I had good results upgrading to a mono screen on my Creality LD-002R.
Nice to hear an Aussie voice discussing 3D printing.
G'day!
@@OnceinaSixSide I don't have a printer yet, but your vids are a treasure trove of info. Ta.
Great job man, love the advanced blender video as well!
Very well put-together video.
so glad youre making this video, I've been thinking of making this but I don't have any filming set up or the time to learn to edit videos. But yeah you could have done this with the last army they released too the leagues of voltan. Keep up the series!
Love how thorough you are covering this stuff. If I may make a suggestion, I use SUNLU ABS like resin. That has been my go to resin for a good while now. Other than air bubbles in flat areas, I’d consider it the best resin I have ever used.
218 dollars is all it will cost me to get into resin printing right now, everything included.
What a time to be alive.
the conversation on calibrating for tension strength or dimensional accuracy was very enlightening, for minis I will aim for tension strength calibration with the cones
YESSSSSS I'M SO EXCITED FOR THE NEW YEAR VIDEO
I've seen other UA-camrs use geek gaming scenics for boards but this video is the one that convinced me to give it a go. Those bases are cool
Awesome video! I've found that if I put the uncured bits in a small tub of water and cure them while they're suspended in water then it helps a lot. IDK if that occurs due to refraction aiding UV light hitting any little hidden parts or if the water helps in some other way. Might be worth testing though!
GW should look at the 3D artists as a shot across their bow. Their exorbitant prices had to be endured because they had the monopoly but not now. They should be really getting around the table with the shareholders and having a grown up conversation about the prices they are charging.
The artillery is a version of the nebelwerfer so GW are nicking ideas from history too.
I bought the bigger anycubic wash and cure machine and its been brilliant. They have a mirrored sheet that goes down under the turn table aswell as the strip that has the UV lights has an arm that can turn up to 55° from memory so it's definitely made curing way way better
Thank you!!! Youve won a subscription from me ive wanted imperial guard for so long buts its expensive. Cant wait to get my own resin 3d setup
You're doing gods work with your research
Ty is absolutely spot on in what he says. I see the Cones getting a lot of flak for being a "poor" test, but in my experience its a fantastic quick 'n' dirty test for giving you an accurate ballpark to work around.
The trouble with the likes of the AmeraLabs or Siraya Tech tests is that people aim for perfection within the confines of that particular test. Its like trying to determine if your PC can run a particular game by running a benchmark. Some games are well optimised, some are just poor ports.
One thing that Ty didn't pick up on is the difference between different batches of resin. I run a 3D printing business and my machines run 24/7 and drink a lot of resin. I can categorically say that resin quality/properties varies from batch to batch. I usually buy my resin in 100L at a time, and I will check the dates on each bottle, grouping them by date before they're used. I'll run calibration tests between batches as there is a noticeable difference between them. We're talking a +/- 1 second difference in exposure time in some cases. Don't assume that because you're buying the same resin from the same manufacturer that your settings remain the same; they won't. Not if you want consistent quality anyway.
You don't have to calibrate from one bottle to the next, but I would advise checking the dates on those bottles. If there is month or more between the one you're using and the empty one you've just thrown away, run a calibration test. The results may surprise you.
One piece of advice I can give is to pick a resin and stick to it. Learn it's shortcomings and adapt to them. Even the most dogshit of resins out there can be made serviceable with the right settings. It won't take you long to realise how much these materials can be pushed before you hit the ceiling of what they're capable of achieving. Too many people flit from one manufacturer or variant to another when they have a rash of failures. Learning the limits of the materials you're using is just as important as learning the mechanics of 3D printing.
Holy shit the flexibility of that resin is amazing! Good video.
Ima say it the sound effects in your vid are top tier.
I´m 15 minutes in and dunno if you say anything later; but I had to stop and give you the best tip I got over ther year printing. Get a First IPA bucket. You get off most of the resin in that one in a couple of minutes and than you use the washing and cure machine to do the second cleaning. I never had any resin left over on my minins after that .
Also use a cheap hairdryer to remove the supports. Its more enviroment friendly and you can hit just the supports, avoiding bending other parts as with hot water.
Finally an IPA distiller (I use a water distiller) from Vevor is gonna save you so much money in the long run that is insane.
Good luck with your channel.
The base ready mix was great
That’s a great information about printing
Omg I'm so interested for next years video on your findings
i printed off the sentinel a day before finding this video - supported files worked great, thank you both
All of them are named? F**** yeah my DUDE!
Clicked the Video because of the clickbait title, left with a channel subscribtion because this was extremely insightful. Thanks
PS: I also got the chitu Photon s upgrade. Its worth disassembling the plastics for easier Installation as far as i recall correctly altough they dont show it. For me the upgrade was well worth it
Best video and models yet, keep up the fantastic work
Thanks! I shall do my best
@@OnceinaSixSide That chat about designing for dimensional accuracy versus tensile strength was the best info I've gotten on 3d printing, you did an excellent job with the interview
Awsome video, mate. Looking forward to your next one.
hilarious vid man. I don't even play this game or build models and this was a blast to watch.
F’n Aya!! So worth the wait!! Best vid yet!! Learned so FNG’ MUCH!! What a great production and content! Bought a triple Latte’. Loved the interviews and I a more confident than ever in our world.
There he is! The cheesewizzer himself. Very much appreciate your support in this endeavour good sir 😎