As luck would have it, earlier today DE lifted the NDA for Soulframe. I’ll be diving in and plan to make an overview and impressions video, sometime next week after I’ve played through everything.
DE is a company people should feel comfortable backing - they listen to their fans and they take feedback seriously. I've played New World and then I watch this and hear the Devs literally break down each complaint and address it and it's pretty evident that this team cares about being a success and making fans happy. Please the people, and let the people's dollars please the shareholders.
sorry but fans aren't always right so that is in no way a good metric to measure backing a company. Even the POE Devs have said this, they take feedback but also acknowledge that fans don't know all that is involved in the process. A fan can suggest tweaking something, not knowing how that thing impacts several other mechanics in the game.
@@gemelwalters2942 that's why DE makes their own changes. People give feedback, DE decides if it needs to be fixed and how to fix it. For example: Koumei change coming with Warframe 1999, shields rework, how Warframes get reworked etc. People ask for changes, but DE is the one choosing what they should be if they even come.
@@gemelwalters2942 It's funny that you mention PoE because that's a game where the devs should've absolutely listened more to the players. Like players know what they want, they just aren't great at coming up with solutions for what they want.
@@Phillipmurr Railjack is great now, the only thing that isn't good after so many years is Archwing lol Have you never played a live service game before? Also, you say the history of the company but these guys made games like Unreal and Darkness II. Bugs are a part of live service games because they have to update fast and don't have the luxury of bug fixing for a year before release.
@ I played Warframe for four years. Up until recently they were horrible with their launches. I still remember Rebecca doing an emergency Livestream and nearly crying alive on air because of how bad the last three major updates have been . this was Charlotte Spier. Leechers. Followed by rail jack. I’m a console player, so they launched rail Jack knowing it was a bugging mess and we didn’t get a hoax fixed for two months. But we sure can still buy repair drones. I know they’ve improved. But I’m willing to bet you that soul frames release will be a buggy disaster. I also believe it will flop , They should’ve went the path of exile route and released Warframe 2.
@@Phillipmurr I've been playing Warframe for 11 years and though their updates were buggy, they've been quite good now since as you mentioned, DE has improved. That same team is also working on Spulframe's updates, so expect the recent frequency of Warframe to be parallel to that of Soulframe (they share a LOT of team members). Warframe has reduced the bugs significantly in the last 3 years by releasing updates slower and adding more focus on quality of life. Steve also regularly updates the game engine to improve performance for toasters. I would argue Warframe is the best performing online game for how good it looks and plays. Now, Warframe updates at the same time for all players as part of cross-save/platform play. And will Soulframe be buggy? Yeah, probably. I can't think of a single free live service game that launched without a lot of bugs though. I think the difference here is that it's exactly because they're trying to reduce bugs and such that they're doing pre-alpha and early access just like with Warframe. I don't believe it'll flop since DE is pretty passionate about their games. They stuck with Warframe for 11 years so far and are still building on it, improving everything. Considering Geoff and Steve are heading Soulframe, I think it has a pretty bright future for the audience it will gather. It also helps that there's no other live service Action RPG that is free to play and isn't an MMO. An official Warframe 2 would be a mistake. You look at PoE 2, but that is a much MUCH smaller game. You should compare it to Destiny 2, because Warframe and Warframe 2 cannot coexist like PoE and PoE 2 can. If you want an even better example of what Warframe 2 will look like, look at how PSO2 compares to PSO2 NG. A sequel to a live service game is just NOT viable at this size and highly unreasonable when they can just keep updating the game that's already proven itself. It's also important to note that Soul Frame is a passion project from the old guard (Steve, Geoff, and Scott) because they grew tired of working on Warframe for 10 years. You really think those people would want to make the same game a second time for another 10 years? I think it's good to criticize Soulframe, but thinking it'll flop with the explanations you provided just sounds like you personally want it to flop.
@@thatonepenguinperson618 I don't personally want Soul framed to flop , But it's definitely not my setting II left warframe when davieri dropped . Because I wanted to play a sci-fi looter shooter Not a fantasy rogue light .. Which from my perspective was clearly put in the game so they could take the code and assets to build sole frame with .. I don't think I disagree with much of what you said. And maybe just maybe 1999 will get me back. its much closer to what warframe is than what duiri was . And when I first heard Rebecca had taken over, I was like well it's over now But from what I've heard she's done an amazing job. I think I just want it burnt out on the game. How'd you last eleven years lol
I'm glad they took the risk with the initial video that was heavily criticised. This gives a good start point and we can observe the progress in each version. I'm expecting this game to be exactly what I want to play when it's ready. Looking forward to it!
I don’t the precise stages, but pre-alpha sound like it progressed past the point of the charecters t-posing during a test and generally stable enough to have to not crash to much.
Hey, so, great to see this update, but it's really funny timing. About the exact same time you posted this, DE released the NDA on Soulframe, we can now talk about and create content on the Preludes ^^
Ya pretty unfortunate to be honest LOL. Had I known about the NDA lifting today would definitely have made this video earlier. Probably took some wind out of the sails in terms of views, but it’s fine, vids doing decently. On the plus side, got access to preludes today. So going to dive in and post an overview / impressions - next week probably.
@@ForceGamingYT That's amazing! Welcome to the Preludes ^^ Not a great lot to do past the basic test Quests, but you're joining at a great time. The progression rework has really made doing simple levelling of Pacts and Weapons into a much more visible and rewarding process. We still don't have the real start to the game, or character creation, but in terms of things to actually farm up and try out there's a surprising amount for this level of pre-Alpha.
I’m glad they took the criticisms the right way, and fixed all the things people complained about. These guys have been devs for a very long time and know how to make a game. Let’s hope they keep listening and keep improving, as this game could actually be MASSIVE.
All this freaking out over a pre-alpha version really goes to show why so many AAA developers only show pre-rendered trailers with no connection to actual gameplay early on...
i still dont get how people get hyped over the prerendered on rails trailer "gameplay" from games, i get that they want to show of the enviroment withthese trailers but the artificial movement and looking around kills my exitement for the game if it's not something i really enjoy
@@gemelwalters2942 That's not an option though. Early in development there is no "polished" gameplay to show. That's just not how game development works.
You're maybe jumping to conclusions. There is early footage of games where people give fair feedback. I'm not even sure if it was as bad here. And in any case it's highly debatable whether the answer to stuff that's too early to show is to basically lie about things. Yet most prerenders are clearly recognizeable as such, in some cases also labelled accordingly, so if anyone falls for them than they may only have to blame themselves.
@@Lenariet yeah the real issue is that a bunch of gamers are not educated enough to even speak about it, let alone criticize a pre alpha build. like obviously the game isnt finished since its still in pre alpha but a bunch of people complained about it treating it like a fully released game. same thing happened with the wolverine leaks where people got pissy about the gameplay when its obviously not finished yet.
Been a tester since 2023 a lot of people were very harsh on the game despite it being pre alpha and you gotta admit for a pre alpha this looks amazing, and I can tell you now it’s so much better!
Me too, I haven't seen any game in Alpha version that remotely looks like that, hell, I have seen released games that work 10 times worse, play 10 times worse, offer way less and have less heart than what Soulframe has right now
Same here tester since 2023 and it sucked to see the extremely visceral reaction, but it reinforced my trust of DE. They took it on the chin and pushed forward
A lot of people don't know how DE works. They constantly show their progressions to the public, get feedback, make changes and get better. No other devs are this transparent and that's why people jump the gun on shitting on this game while it's in pre-alpha
I rather see some pre alpha gameplay footage of it being unpolished rather than some words saying its great and the best game theyve ever made. DE is honest with their audience unlike most other gaming companies
There are times when I really feel for the devs. They'll reveal a pre-pre-alpha project and you'll see a bunch of neckbeards providing no constructive criticism whatsoever. Talking about 'the animations aren't right' or 'some of these textures are off'. Must be frustrating for the devs. Polish is literally THE LAST thing that is worked on and that polish always tends to be worked on more even after release. If you're playing pre-alpha games, expect a pre-alpha product. If you want a fully working product, buy a game that is in it's full release.
It looks much better already. Considering its pre-alpha while looking this solid? Bodes well. I remember Warframe back when it first released as beta, and if we compare to how it plays / looks now... They know what they are doing.
Looks really cool to me. It's early days, so some jankiness is expected. Looking forward to playing this one once it's cooked a bit more. I wish them the best.
Glad to see the work they've done. I think its looking great. Not fair to ask game developers to be transparent during development and then flip out when things aren't polished.
I'm generally not critical of anything this early but the combat and colours do look much better now. I will wait for release to play this, seems like a good one to go into pretty much blind.
DE and Larian Studios both know how to have a community and use them. Release alphas, and take everything into consideration. I see soulframe becoming a much welcomed experience, just like BG3 if they continue. Which based off Warframe, I dont doubt it.
The one thing i love about DE is their openness to feedback. Played Warframe in beta, and even after launch the game grew. This game will be awesome in time. That's DEs' MO.
This is good. I am so low right now on MMOs and MMORPGs. It has just felt like there is nothing promising on the horizon (especially with Ashes of Creation receiving kind of a middling alpha reception). I don't believe we will ever go back to an era where we see 1-2 AAA MMORPGs releasing every year. But could we least get that once every *FIVE YEARS*...? Maybe? The market for these games has shrunk, yeah (or WoW artificially inflated industry expectations as to how large it was). But it hasn't gone away entirely.
@@AtomicZamurai It's as much an MMO as Warframe, and Warframe is NOT an MMO. They can call it an MMO all they like but it's not, that's just marketing bullshit.
I think it's great that one does maybe not know that there is smothing and all, I still know a few points in games where I completely missed out on functions and still made it work. But in a second playthrough I was finding the missing functions and was super happy, yes I was really young but still that can be a great experience. Also I had to think of a friend of mine that played Eldenring because I told em it's great and they missed out on the horse, and later when they found out they were really greatfull that they found it themselves and also had a good laugh.
They postponed the open access to 2025, because a significant portion of the team is temporarily helping Warframe with their next major update (dropping next month).
DE are great developers, that listens to the community. The f2p model is also the best f2p model period... I believe in the game and its future. I have just over 1000 hrs in Warframe as ex wow player, played wow for 17 years and DE got me. Love warframe and love the idea of soulframe!
ill never understand the positivity toward DE. theyve spent more than 10 years abandoning half-finished systems but have the most glowing reputation in the industry
@@ElderSign32It's for a few reasons. For one thing, they listen to their players and respond to feedback in conversation instead of reacting to it like their pay is being threatened (look at Bungie for example). Another thing is that DE is ambitious with their content and are not afraid of adding variety to their game to make the players try new things. The last thing I'll mention here is that their game is the most fair free to play game on the market. You don't want to deal with crafting timers? Farm some plat and rush it. You don't want to farm for the new prime? Make some plat from old primes and buy it. You want to get more resources? Farm some plat and buy a booster. You want to pay for the battlepass? Sorry, you can't because it's free. There's obviously issues with Warframe and DE isn't always perfect, but the game has been around for 11 years which says a lot about what they're doing right.
@@ElderSign32 The positivity only started two years ago when the Rebb team took over Warframe, the past 2 years she has led the game her team has done pretty much several years worth of top-to-bottom system rework that was half-abandoned 10 years before in Steve's leadership. Your skepticism is warranted considering how the old leadership is exactly what you described it to be, but the new leadership has been doing honest-to-goodness excellent job in Warframe. That being said however... The old leadership is the one developing Soulframe now. Take that how you will.
@@ElderSign32if you take a look at the community you will realize these people aren't the smartest. It's just an echo chamber so we will see what happens.
Steps in the right direction, but plenty of warts still. Can't say much, as crucial aspects of the game have not really been discussed/shown yet. The core concept appealed to me and it still does, I'm not discouraged. I hope they do indeed keep the exploration alive. I understand not hiding core features of the game, but I also hope that it's not just question mark galore.
they took movement from Warframe thats why its really looks like more warframe than soulslike but im glad they finally worked that out to makes it more like Soulslike now.
Awww you must of been born yesterday, you do realise the core combat never changes child? The combat was and still is disgusting, they don't have the talent or knowledge to make a slow impactful combat.
@@ihatevnecks7015 Well, Pre-alpha and alpha is the best time to give feedback so they can make changes. Otherwise there would be no point in showing that video.
@@Rrr20058bvscwhat? Core Combat can change a lot at any point in game development, but ESPECIALLY in pre-alphas. For example, Halo used to be a third person shooter, same with Destiny. What do you have to gain by doom posting like this lol
They need to work on perspective when you turn into a butterfly. Something like what we got in Wukong, the world should look bigger when you morph into said butterfly, enemies should look gigantic aswell. Bonus points if they change the sound perception to suit the small size too!
I find it strange how much of a criticism the game got considering it was clearly stated that what they are showing is early alpha. DE was very clear from day one that they are building this game with their community. And they showed it only on their own Tennocon, not some Keighley showcase. This is not "fixed", this is "They continued development as they promised".
Been playing Soulframe for almost a year, it is unreal that the games plays, feels and runs so well being a god damn PRE ALPHA. I think many people went so hard on it because seeing the game as it was they thought it was some kind of early access or late beta but that is just a bare bones alpha, it's the most polished, good looking alpha I have played in 34 years tho.
*People's reaction when they saw the janky Soulframe Demo a while back:* Warframe players: It's DE...they got this. lets give them feedback and let them cook. Gamers: *PANIC MODE! xD*
@@Yewrenegade It absolutely is. DE has taken some time to truly hit their stride and maybe splitting the team between Warframe and Soulframe helped to better prioritize things, but yeah, we're eating very very good as DE fans and getting a lot back for our dedication.
@@RedShadowOfSaturn lots of hiccups, lots of bad choices ones but there's always room for improvement. So yeah it sucks sometimes but it's good to improve and DE will always do that.
I played Warframe for 8 years and got code just because Warframe facebook group mod shared some codes And NGL, I kinda like it, I already spend hours in Duviri which is basically alpha pre-alpha Soulframe Visuals are just stunning and the game runs pretty well on my pc and I can't wait to see them cook the story Also the game is free so Iam not gonna sweat on smaller imperfections
One thing I'll say for DE is their transparency. They caught me off-guard during a Warframe dev stream when they openly said where the majority of their income and platinum sales go in-game and it's just not something they could afford to change. I could be mis-remembering but I think it was rushing crafting times. I always had an issue with crafting time length but after hearing that I was like "Huh...Fair enough" and it doesn't bother me as much now.
I think people tend to forget how fundamentally different Warframe was as a game when it first came out compared to what it is today. It was a game that developed and evolved with community feedback. Even Bullet Jumping which is arguably the most iconic and unique mechanic in the game was originally just a bug that then became an official feature due to players enjoying it that much. I have no doubt that Soulframe will go a similar way and eventually find its footing.
Been playing the game for a few months now and I really like it, sure still waaaaays off from something I think they should release to the public but still the core is solid with improvement still ahead and I think a lot of potential
we're generally untrusting we get studios really not being honest DE is quite different this way not perfect, but DE is very community focused and they see quality much the way gamers do i'm hopeful the game looks beautiful DE knows how to make a fun game, and their artist are phenomenal DE Steve and his team are masters at game development and design
I was very critical of the last gameplay showcase due to the atrocious state of those combat/movement animations so I'm pleased to see they've taken that feedback to heart, even if it at times it was harsh, it was also fair. Also DE needs to stop releasing official gameplay showcases that have terrible visual quality. The last two were horribly washed out with terrible audio because they were filmed off a large screen in a convention hall... I mean WTF were they thinking not releasing a high quality recording of the source. This footage Force showed is much much better and does the beautiful art style and visuals of the game justice.
It’s funny how when developers are finally super duper transparent for feedback, some just dunk on them without inputting any criticism for showing an unfinished product.
DE generally doesn't let it's fans down so while I was not too thrilled with what I originally saw I also was like, yeah alpha state, they will listen everyone calm tf down. lol
It might be worth giving Warframe another go, depending on how long ago you left it. Melee's recieved some pretty substantial improvements, most notably with the Tennokai system.
I love how they showed unpolished, unfinished gameplay. So many games have 'gameplay reveals' that are just a bit too perfect to be real, its usually a heavily scripted and polished slice. Showing raw, unedited, unfinished gameplay is extremely rare to see, and frankly, pretty awesome that they wanted feedback on it.
@@1IGG yeah this isnt the type of game or world where applying real world logic is useful. Its just sci fi fantasy, with the focus of stuff looking cool or at least interesting
"...this developer will stick to a game and improve it over time." Airship would propably have a different opinion about that. Different situation I know, just thought it was funny when you said that.
Man, DE should really put a huge disclaimer that the game is still in pre-alpha and many things are up to change. The game wasn't broken because they didn't even worked on combat at that moment of infamous gameplay from Tennocon.
Warframe originally just played like a Mass Effect clone with a weird aesthetic. Over time, however, it underwent such profound changes that what we have right now is an abomination of a game that has a very strong identity. You can still hear the echoes of older Warframe in the early-game, such as its slower pace, its decade-old tilesets, and the absence of power-creep, but once you get to mid-game and end-game, Warframe becomes a different game entirely. (Look at any beginner doing a random mission on Earth and then compare that footage with any crackhead trying to reach level cap on Void Cascade. There is no way that these two pieces of footage come from the same game.) Personally, I want to see something like that happen to Soulframe, because it is pretty derivative in its current state. I am eager to see how time will transform Soulframe into a very unique experience, just like its older brother.
My issue with warframe and hope this fixes, is the coop. In warframe you can just do everything yourself, no need to really play with others except to get carried. I want a game where you need other players
That used to be the case with Eidolon hunts back in 2017-2019 but as the meta set in, it became easier. my advice is to play hard content when it releases before it gets power crept, like EDA, it actually required some team work when it released before people figured out starts.
in my opinion it doesn't really make sense why a dev would say fine polishing isn't something that's on the forefront when making a game, I feel like it most definitely should be on the forefront because i feel like it would much easier to add code when there's less of it, than try to add code later down the line and potentially break something or multiple things. Granted there's still potential to break something when you're adding that Future code but i still think it would easier to fix in the moment than once all of the code is finished. This is why some games are literally made fun of for having Spaghetti code, Devs wanted to rush out a product didn't care about polish and making sure everything works. side note: These devs know what they were doing when they propped they lady up and had her legs dead center in the middle of the video.
It does because of how early the game is: why bother polishing a system that you may end up removing? It just makes iterating faster, some stuff has already been changed around multiple times and are still not final: they recently switched from "energy based" abilities to cooldowns and are openly asking for feedback to see if people want to go back to the energy system or stick with the cooldowns (likely the latter). Soul Mode has also been changed drastically through the updates, for example it was used to gather energy to use abilities but that's not in the game anymore. I guess you must not be in Preludes, otherwise you'd know how long the list of "stuff that has been changed" (often drastically) is (even stuff like enemies move sets or abilities), they will polish stuff once they think they are onto something, but as long as they plan to try different things, not wasting time on polishing and refining stuff that might be removed just makes iterating faster, which is a very good thing imo given how early in development this Pre-Alpha is. I don't think people who haven't played it get how SMALL the build is right now.
I need them to not be like ashes of creation. People don’t need to see every bit of the process. Just give people enough i do so they can get proper feedback to make adjustments where needed. Don’t want to kill the excitement before the game even come out.
frankly i have a grudge against the devs (or at least the whoever handles customer service) because i had a bug that prevented me from getting boosted exp (it been so long i forgot the correct term) for at least 1 year and 6 months. i reported it and everything and after all the hassle and everything was fixed. my compensation was only 1 week of boosted exp...not mentioning the packs or gifted packs or the hours of boosted exp thats been wasted and then they had the nerve to say i HAD boosted exp all the time which was NOT the case at all regardless, even if soul frame shapes up well and everything. it will take god appearing before or at least a full compensation from that time to make me even want to touch any of their games again. or at least one of my friends picking it up and asking me to try it. which i will once, then not again
I mean, this is DE we're talking about. This game is going to run smoother than butter and it's going to be a really good and gorgeous game, but the real question is do we really need more soulslike games?
would play if the player character have feeling and react to social and danger. I want the scream from darks souls and emote/spray for social. Not just silent wave emote, need to have voice and sound \^_^/
i think it will be like god of war it has that vibe if they put like gods that wouldbe fire and like a one guy who will help yo to end of the game where he dies but u found way to make him alive
I think the game looks cool, and I'm interested to play it. But they've made the classic mistake of taking too long to make the game - its gonna look old on the day it releases. I can also see the Warframe engine rearing its head which doesn't exactly excite me.
Tbh what make warframe appealing to me is not even the game mechanic it the all movement system, the speed, the flow. Now that they got rid of it in this game, I don't see how this game can be good or interesting.
As luck would have it, earlier today DE lifted the NDA for Soulframe. I’ll be diving in and plan to make an overview and impressions video, sometime next week after I’ve played through everything.
Looking forward to it I know this game is in pre alpha atm but if its anything like Warframe its going to be good.
Hell yes!
DE is a company people should feel comfortable backing - they listen to their fans and they take feedback seriously. I've played New World and then I watch this and hear the Devs literally break down each complaint and address it and it's pretty evident that this team cares about being a success and making fans happy. Please the people, and let the people's dollars please the shareholders.
sorry but fans aren't always right so that is in no way a good metric to measure backing a company. Even the POE Devs have said this, they take feedback but also acknowledge that fans don't know all that is involved in the process. A fan can suggest tweaking something, not knowing how that thing impacts several other mechanics in the game.
@@gemelwalters2942 that's why DE makes their own changes. People give feedback, DE decides if it needs to be fixed and how to fix it. For example: Koumei change coming with Warframe 1999, shields rework, how Warframes get reworked etc. People ask for changes, but DE is the one choosing what they should be if they even come.
Maybe with the warframe team now, Fucking steve fight tooth and nail against universal vaccum, im glad pablo is in charge of the gameplay now.
@@Lord_Chibi "We know something feels wrong, but we don't know how to convey it verbally" types of complains would be best.
@@gemelwalters2942 It's funny that you mention PoE because that's a game where the devs should've absolutely listened more to the players. Like players know what they want, they just aren't great at coming up with solutions for what they want.
DE has a good reputation and takes pride in their product. Hope they deliver
Rail Jack would like a word with you.
Actually, the history of the company is releasing half banked and buggy updates.
@@Phillipmurr Railjack is great now, the only thing that isn't good after so many years is Archwing lol
Have you never played a live service game before? Also, you say the history of the company but these guys made games like Unreal and Darkness II. Bugs are a part of live service games because they have to update fast and don't have the luxury of bug fixing for a year before release.
@ I played Warframe for four years. Up until recently they were horrible with their launches.
I still remember Rebecca doing an emergency Livestream and nearly crying alive on air because of how bad the last three major updates have been . this was Charlotte Spier. Leechers. Followed by rail jack. I’m a console player, so they launched rail Jack knowing it was a bugging mess and we didn’t get a hoax fixed for two months. But we sure can still buy repair drones.
I know they’ve improved. But I’m willing to bet you that soul frames release will be a buggy disaster.
I also believe it will flop ,
They should’ve went the path of exile route and released Warframe 2.
@@Phillipmurr I've been playing Warframe for 11 years and though their updates were buggy, they've been quite good now since as you mentioned, DE has improved. That same team is also working on Spulframe's updates, so expect the recent frequency of Warframe to be parallel to that of Soulframe (they share a LOT of team members). Warframe has reduced the bugs significantly in the last 3 years by releasing updates slower and adding more focus on quality of life. Steve also regularly updates the game engine to improve performance for toasters. I would argue Warframe is the best performing online game for how good it looks and plays.
Now, Warframe updates at the same time for all players as part of cross-save/platform play. And will Soulframe be buggy? Yeah, probably. I can't think of a single free live service game that launched without a lot of bugs though. I think the difference here is that it's exactly because they're trying to reduce bugs and such that they're doing pre-alpha and early access just like with Warframe.
I don't believe it'll flop since DE is pretty passionate about their games. They stuck with Warframe for 11 years so far and are still building on it, improving everything. Considering Geoff and Steve are heading Soulframe, I think it has a pretty bright future for the audience it will gather. It also helps that there's no other live service Action RPG that is free to play and isn't an MMO.
An official Warframe 2 would be a mistake. You look at PoE 2, but that is a much MUCH smaller game. You should compare it to Destiny 2, because Warframe and Warframe 2 cannot coexist like PoE and PoE 2 can. If you want an even better example of what Warframe 2 will look like, look at how PSO2 compares to PSO2 NG. A sequel to a live service game is just NOT viable at this size and highly unreasonable when they can just keep updating the game that's already proven itself. It's also important to note that Soul Frame is a passion project from the old guard (Steve, Geoff, and Scott) because they grew tired of working on Warframe for 10 years. You really think those people would want to make the same game a second time for another 10 years?
I think it's good to criticize Soulframe, but thinking it'll flop with the explanations you provided just sounds like you personally want it to flop.
@@thatonepenguinperson618 I don't personally want Soul framed to flop , But it's definitely not my setting II left warframe when davieri dropped . Because I wanted to play a sci-fi looter shooter Not a fantasy rogue light .. Which from my perspective was clearly put in the game so they could take the code and assets to build sole frame with ..
I don't think I disagree with much of what you said. And maybe just maybe 1999 will get me back. its much closer to what warframe is than what duiri was .
And when I first heard Rebecca had taken over, I was like well it's over now But from what I've heard she's done an amazing job.
I think I just want it burnt out on the game. How'd you last eleven years lol
I'm glad they took the risk with the initial video that was heavily criticised. This gives a good start point and we can observe the progress in each version.
I'm expecting this game to be exactly what I want to play when it's ready. Looking forward to it!
knowing the warframe community theyre willing to play pretty much anything.
@@_AriseChickenyou must be very young and can't have played warframe in it's beta in early 2013.
agreed!
I hope more people would understand what a "pre-alpha" stage of a game means and how much of a newborn it is.
I don’t the precise stages, but pre-alpha sound like it progressed past the point of the charecters t-posing during a test and generally stable enough to have to not crash to much.
@@BVidwatchernah its def pre alpha, the game is currently a map you can walk around and fight in, no gameplay loop or direction
Hey, so, great to see this update, but it's really funny timing. About the exact same time you posted this, DE released the NDA on Soulframe, we can now talk about and create content on the Preludes ^^
Ya pretty unfortunate to be honest LOL. Had I known about the NDA lifting today would definitely have made this video earlier. Probably took some wind out of the sails in terms of views, but it’s fine, vids doing decently.
On the plus side, got access to preludes today. So going to dive in and post an overview / impressions - next week probably.
@@ForceGamingYT That's amazing! Welcome to the Preludes ^^
Not a great lot to do past the basic test Quests, but you're joining at a great time. The progression rework has really made doing simple levelling of Pacts and Weapons into a much more visible and rewarding process.
We still don't have the real start to the game, or character creation, but in terms of things to actually farm up and try out there's a surprising amount for this level of pre-Alpha.
I’m glad they took the criticisms the right way, and fixed all the things people complained about. These guys have been devs for a very long time and know how to make a game. Let’s hope they keep listening and keep improving, as this game could actually be MASSIVE.
the skating walking animation was my favorite. looking much better now
All this freaking out over a pre-alpha version really goes to show why so many AAA developers only show pre-rendered trailers with no connection to actual gameplay early on...
i still dont get how people get hyped over the prerendered on rails trailer "gameplay" from games, i get that they want to show of the enviroment withthese trailers but the artificial movement and looking around kills my exitement for the game if it's not something i really enjoy
let's not go overboard, there is a middle ground. Show gameplay that is polished. It's not CGI trailers or bugged gameplay and no in between
@@gemelwalters2942 That's not an option though. Early in development there is no "polished" gameplay to show. That's just not how game development works.
You're maybe jumping to conclusions. There is early footage of games where people give fair feedback. I'm not even sure if it was as bad here. And in any case it's highly debatable whether the answer to stuff that's too early to show is to basically lie about things. Yet most prerenders are clearly recognizeable as such, in some cases also labelled accordingly, so if anyone falls for them than they may only have to blame themselves.
@@Lenariet yeah the real issue is that a bunch of gamers are not educated enough to even speak about it, let alone criticize a pre alpha build. like obviously the game isnt finished since its still in pre alpha but a bunch of people complained about it treating it like a fully released game. same thing happened with the wolverine leaks where people got pissy about the gameplay when its obviously not finished yet.
It can't be any worse than the Start Citizen Alpha. 10 years of development and they are still adding new mechanics on a whim.
Been a tester since 2023 a lot of people were very harsh on the game despite it being pre alpha and you gotta admit for a pre alpha this looks amazing, and I can tell you now it’s so much better!
Me too, I haven't seen any game in Alpha version that remotely looks like that, hell, I have seen released games that work 10 times worse, play 10 times worse, offer way less and have less heart than what Soulframe has right now
Harsh criticism is important, especially this day and age. You want quality? Make yourself heard. Look at the results.
Same here tester since 2023 and it sucked to see the extremely visceral reaction, but it reinforced my trust of DE. They took it on the chin and pushed forward
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Eyyyy the goat. Can't wait to try it out when it gets more polished. Thank you early evnoys for the report
A lot of people don't know how DE works. They constantly show their progressions to the public, get feedback, make changes and get better. No other devs are this transparent and that's why people jump the gun on shitting on this game while it's in pre-alpha
I rather see some pre alpha gameplay footage of it being unpolished rather than some words saying its great and the best game theyve ever made. DE is honest with their audience unlike most other gaming companies
There are times when I really feel for the devs. They'll reveal a pre-pre-alpha project and you'll see a bunch of neckbeards providing no constructive criticism whatsoever. Talking about 'the animations aren't right' or 'some of these textures are off'. Must be frustrating for the devs. Polish is literally THE LAST thing that is worked on and that polish always tends to be worked on more even after release. If you're playing pre-alpha games, expect a pre-alpha product. If you want a fully working product, buy a game that is in it's full release.
They expect a full 1.0 release during a .25 alpha. Lol
@@XiLock_AlotxThis is not true. They're expecting to release into an open beta by 2025, not a 1.0 release.
@@thatonepenguinperson618 They are not going into Open Beta. It will still be Pre-Alpha/Alpha, just public.
I’m hyped , they took the feedback on the chin and worked on it. this looks clean af and they shot back with some facts !
I’m keeping my eye on this
It looks much better already. Considering its pre-alpha while looking this solid? Bodes well. I remember Warframe back when it first released as beta, and if we compare to how it plays / looks now... They know what they are doing.
The animations are looking so much better.
I've been playing preludes for a few versions now. Quality jumps massively with every major update. This game is probably a safe bet.
As someone who is in the pre-alpha. The combat has gotten a lot better in the last couple of updates
One of my most anticipated games. Thanks for keeping us updated! :)
Looks really cool to me. It's early days, so some jankiness is expected. Looking forward to playing this one once it's cooked a bit more. I wish them the best.
Glad to see the work they've done. I think its looking great. Not fair to ask game developers to be transparent during development and then flip out when things aren't polished.
I'm generally not critical of anything this early but the combat and colours do look much better now. I will wait for release to play this, seems like a good one to go into pretty much blind.
DE and Larian Studios both know how to have a community and use them. Release alphas, and take everything into consideration.
I see soulframe becoming a much welcomed experience, just like BG3 if they continue. Which based off Warframe, I dont doubt it.
Love the idea of the game and the setting looks dope, definitely keeping my eyes on this.
The one thing i love about DE is their openness to feedback. Played Warframe in beta, and even after launch the game grew. This game will be awesome in time. That's DEs' MO.
Man, I don't ever really get hyped for much, but Warframe was fun and this is pushing all the right buttons for me.
Hype +1
Hope this releases next year with controller support. This looks good.
I've already handed out my 4 game keys to my friends! Really looking forward to exploring the world with with everyone.
This is good. I am so low right now on MMOs and MMORPGs. It has just felt like there is nothing promising on the horizon (especially with Ashes of Creation receiving kind of a middling alpha reception).
I don't believe we will ever go back to an era where we see 1-2 AAA MMORPGs releasing every year. But could we least get that once every *FIVE YEARS*...? Maybe?
The market for these games has shrunk, yeah (or WoW artificially inflated industry expectations as to how large it was). But it hasn't gone away entirely.
As of right now, I am looking forward to this and to the archeage game next year
Not sure why you're talking about MMOs, Soulframe isn't an MMO and neither is Warframe for that matter.
@@user-lz5vh9bb5w they are in fact mmo and soul frame is specifically an mmorpg
Mmos are just not it anymore I'm sorry they aren't they are overpriced overcharged horrible community's elitism microtransaction messes
@@AtomicZamurai It's as much an MMO as Warframe, and Warframe is NOT an MMO.
They can call it an MMO all they like but it's not, that's just marketing bullshit.
I think it's great that one does maybe not know that there is smothing and all, I still know a few points in games where I completely missed out on functions and still made it work. But in a second playthrough I was finding the missing functions and was super happy, yes I was really young but still that can be a great experience. Also I had to think of a friend of mine that played Eldenring because I told em it's great and they missed out on the horse, and later when they found out they were really greatfull that they found it themselves and also had a good laugh.
LOVING the improvements they're making!
Super excited to see this grow into the completed game.
They postponed the open access to 2025, because a significant portion of the team is temporarily helping Warframe with their next major update (dropping next month).
This game is actually looking great tbh
DE are great developers, that listens to the community. The f2p model is also the best f2p model period... I believe in the game and its future. I have just over 1000 hrs in Warframe as ex wow player, played wow for 17 years and DE got me. Love warframe and love the idea of soulframe!
ill never understand the positivity toward DE. theyve spent more than 10 years abandoning half-finished systems but have the most glowing reputation in the industry
@@ElderSign32It's for a few reasons. For one thing, they listen to their players and respond to feedback in conversation instead of reacting to it like their pay is being threatened (look at Bungie for example). Another thing is that DE is ambitious with their content and are not afraid of adding variety to their game to make the players try new things. The last thing I'll mention here is that their game is the most fair free to play game on the market. You don't want to deal with crafting timers? Farm some plat and rush it. You don't want to farm for the new prime? Make some plat from old primes and buy it. You want to get more resources? Farm some plat and buy a booster. You want to pay for the battlepass? Sorry, you can't because it's free. There's obviously issues with Warframe and DE isn't always perfect, but the game has been around for 11 years which says a lot about what they're doing right.
@@ElderSign32 The positivity only started two years ago when the Rebb team took over Warframe, the past 2 years she has led the game her team has done pretty much several years worth of top-to-bottom system rework that was half-abandoned 10 years before in Steve's leadership.
Your skepticism is warranted considering how the old leadership is exactly what you described it to be, but the new leadership has been doing honest-to-goodness excellent job in Warframe.
That being said however... The old leadership is the one developing Soulframe now. Take that how you will.
@@ElderSign32if you take a look at the community you will realize these people aren't the smartest. It's just an echo chamber so we will see what happens.
Steps in the right direction, but plenty of warts still. Can't say much, as crucial aspects of the game have not really been discussed/shown yet.
The core concept appealed to me and it still does, I'm not discouraged.
I hope they do indeed keep the exploration alive. I understand not hiding core features of the game, but I also hope that it's not just question mark galore.
i just want to have a mage class with the same combat fluidity that's accustomed to these type of games.
Magic is coming soon so patience
I'm very very excited about this game. I want it to be good so badly
they took movement from Warframe
thats why its really looks like more warframe than soulslike
but im glad they finally worked that out to makes it more like Soulslike now.
I don't think "Fixed" is the right word considering what they showed was *Pre Alpha* footage.
Yeah.. I don't think things looked great but I think a lot of people panicked way too much given how far from release this is.
Awww you must of been born yesterday, you do realise the core combat never changes child? The combat was and still is disgusting, they don't have the talent or knowledge to make a slow impactful combat.
@@ihatevnecks7015 Well, Pre-alpha and alpha is the best time to give feedback so they can make changes. Otherwise there would be no point in showing that video.
@@Rrr20058bvscwhat? Core Combat can change a lot at any point in game development, but ESPECIALLY in pre-alphas. For example, Halo used to be a third person shooter, same with Destiny. What do you have to gain by doom posting like this lol
@@ihatevnecks7015it’s the herd mindset. They see one panic now they gotta panic too
They need to work on perspective when you turn into a butterfly. Something like what we got in Wukong, the world should look bigger when you morph into said butterfly, enemies should look gigantic aswell. Bonus points if they change the sound perception to suit the small size too!
I find it strange how much of a criticism the game got considering it was clearly stated that what they are showing is early alpha. DE was very clear from day one that they are building this game with their community. And they showed it only on their own Tennocon, not some Keighley showcase.
This is not "fixed", this is "They continued development as they promised".
Been playing Soulframe for almost a year, it is unreal that the games plays, feels and runs so well being a god damn PRE ALPHA. I think many people went so hard on it because seeing the game as it was they thought it was some kind of early access or late beta but that is just a bare bones alpha, it's the most polished, good looking alpha I have played in 34 years tho.
You Learn in video game development that any game is in any state the developers want it to be, fortnite is a prime example
I'm just curious what you think of duvri combat. Like how does drifter melee combat feel to you? good? bad? that sort of thing.
@BEASTEYBOX it's decent iys kindof what warframe used to feel like when it wasn't as fast, but then we got into mods
@@BEASTEYBOX To mee Duviri combat is serviceable enough inside the context of being inside Warframe, in my opinion it could do with more work
*People's reaction when they saw the janky Soulframe Demo a while back:*
Warframe players: It's DE...they got this. lets give them feedback and let them cook.
Gamers: *PANIC MODE! xD*
Warframe players: Patience, grasshoppa. Discipline and patience, space ninja.
@@RedShadowOfSaturn exactly. Guess that's a perk for us players who lives being friendly and helpful in the community under DE. Also best comment
@@Yewrenegade It absolutely is. DE has taken some time to truly hit their stride and maybe splitting the team between Warframe and Soulframe helped to better prioritize things, but yeah, we're eating very very good as DE fans and getting a lot back for our dedication.
@@RedShadowOfSaturn lots of hiccups, lots of bad choices ones but there's always room for improvement. So yeah it sucks sometimes but it's good to improve and DE will always do that.
idk man lets not act like Warframe isnt a buggy mess lol
Even when DE tries to make new game, they just make another Warframe, truly amazing stuff.
I mean a Warframe in a fantasy world with more hard bosses and enemy hell yes ❤
I played Warframe for 8 years and got code just because Warframe facebook group mod shared some codes
And NGL, I kinda like it, I already spend hours in Duviri which is basically alpha pre-alpha Soulframe
Visuals are just stunning and the game runs pretty well on my pc and I can't wait to see them cook the story
Also the game is free so Iam not gonna sweat on smaller imperfections
One thing I'll say for DE is their transparency. They caught me off-guard during a Warframe dev stream when they openly said where the majority of their income and platinum sales go in-game and it's just not something they could afford to change. I could be mis-remembering but I think it was rushing crafting times. I always had an issue with crafting time length but after hearing that I was like "Huh...Fair enough" and it doesn't bother me as much now.
im sold from the jumping rats alone.
I think people tend to forget how fundamentally different Warframe was as a game when it first came out compared to what it is today. It was a game that developed and evolved with community feedback. Even Bullet Jumping which is arguably the most iconic and unique mechanic in the game was originally just a bug that then became an official feature due to players enjoying it that much. I have no doubt that Soulframe will go a similar way and eventually find its footing.
Pre Alpha by the way, people really missed that a lot 😮💨
Been playing the game for a few months now and I really like it, sure still waaaaays off from something I think they should release to the public but still the core is solid with improvement still ahead and I think a lot of potential
DE is one of the few refreshing developers left. I have no doubt this game will be every bit as solid as Warframe in the coming years.
Keen to see more of this game
we're generally untrusting
we get studios really not being honest
DE is quite different this way
not perfect, but DE is very community focused and they see quality much the way gamers do
i'm hopeful
the game looks beautiful
DE knows how to make a fun game, and their artist are phenomenal
DE Steve and his team are masters at game development and design
GREAT VIDEO
I was very critical of the last gameplay showcase due to the atrocious state of those combat/movement animations so I'm pleased to see they've taken that feedback to heart, even if it at times it was harsh, it was also fair.
Also DE needs to stop releasing official gameplay showcases that have terrible visual quality. The last two were horribly washed out with terrible audio because they were filmed off a large screen in a convention hall... I mean WTF were they thinking not releasing a high quality recording of the source. This footage Force showed is much much better and does the beautiful art style and visuals of the game justice.
i can see warframe in every frame of the gameplay and i love it xd they will make the best out of the game i am sure about it
It’s funny how when developers are finally super duper transparent for feedback, some just dunk on them without inputting any criticism for showing an unfinished product.
looks great
developers taking feedback and not just blaming their playerbase is wild
I'm waiting for the magic/caster combat, the one thing I never really got from Warframe.
DE generally doesn't let it's fans down so while I was not too thrilled with what I originally saw I also was like, yeah alpha state, they will listen everyone calm tf down. lol
Maaaan I'm a little disappointed, I don't want dark souls lite, warframe edition. I want more fleshed out, more mmo style space ninjas.
really interested in this... i like the gameloop of warframe, but im just not a huge fan of FPS anymore, so I much prefer melee combat
well warframe is TPS and has melee
It might be worth giving Warframe another go, depending on how long ago you left it. Melee's recieved some pretty substantial improvements, most notably with the Tennokai system.
Well at least they put that Wayfinder money to use.
I love how they showed unpolished, unfinished gameplay. So many games have 'gameplay reveals' that are just a bit too perfect to be real, its usually a heavily scripted and polished slice. Showing raw, unedited, unfinished gameplay is extremely rare to see, and frankly, pretty awesome that they wanted feedback on it.
Aesthetics of this game are really good
Yeah the mix of fantasy and light sci fi is really awesome
Matter of preference. I find the art style really silly. Not a single armor or weapon that would actually work.
@@1IGG yeah this isnt the type of game or world where applying real world logic is useful. Its just sci fi fantasy, with the focus of stuff looking cool or at least interesting
@@1IGGWow looking for realism in DE game? Like with space ninja fighting 1999 boy band?
That old gameplay reveal with all the sliding and shi is basically warframe restylied to be "fantasy"
So... Another wayfinder?
like I said last time, it's still a ways out, but it's also- these are the guys who did warframe.
I considered Warframe still in Beta, been over 11 years now lol
According to Reb and Steve from a dev short, it technically never left Open Beta xD
eternal beta
I thought for a early pre alpha it looked pretty damn good.
When they came out with the trailer i really thought it was a joke. Like "Oh this is Warframe mixed with Dark Souls". Guess I was wrong lol
"...this developer will stick to a game and improve it over time." Airship would propably have a different opinion about that. Different situation I know, just thought it was funny when you said that.
I just hope there's plenty of diversity in the character creation, I always like to play a fantasy game as a mythical They/ Them creature.
very excited about soulframe, i enjoy slower pace fights, drifter gameplay is my favorite in warframe
im sorry but duviri drifter gameplay is atrocious
@@eyesneveropen-meow-5125 'eh, to each their own, i enjoyed it
@@morrakuroki237 🤝
@@morrakuroki237 Me too it was hella fun
17:25 I feel called out.
this game looks cool
Man, DE should really put a huge disclaimer that the game is still in pre-alpha and many things are up to change. The game wasn't broken because they didn't even worked on combat at that moment of infamous gameplay from Tennocon.
So instead of sliding you are now bumbling about like a pile of jelly xD
Warframe originally just played like a Mass Effect clone with a weird aesthetic. Over time, however, it underwent such profound changes that what we have right now is an abomination of a game that has a very strong identity. You can still hear the echoes of older Warframe in the early-game, such as its slower pace, its decade-old tilesets, and the absence of power-creep, but once you get to mid-game and end-game, Warframe becomes a different game entirely.
(Look at any beginner doing a random mission on Earth and then compare that footage with any crackhead trying to reach level cap on Void Cascade. There is no way that these two pieces of footage come from the same game.)
Personally, I want to see something like that happen to Soulframe, because it is pretty derivative in its current state. I am eager to see how time will transform Soulframe into a very unique experience, just like its older brother.
Thank god the running animation isn’t the same as Duviri anymore
Looks wayyy better already 👍
My issue with warframe and hope this fixes, is the coop.
In warframe you can just do everything yourself, no need to really play with others except to get carried.
I want a game where you need other players
That used to be the case with Eidolon hunts back in 2017-2019 but as the meta set in, it became easier.
my advice is to play hard content when it releases before it gets power crept, like EDA, it actually required some team work when it released before people figured out starts.
Its DE, it can only get better.
i mean... it's DE, they're known for massive meaningful improvements over time
in my opinion it doesn't really make sense why a dev would say fine polishing isn't something that's on the forefront when making a game, I feel like it most definitely should be on the forefront because i feel like it would much easier to add code when there's less of it, than try to add code later down the line and potentially break something or multiple things. Granted there's still potential to break something when you're adding that Future code but i still think it would easier to fix in the moment than once all of the code is finished.
This is why some games are literally made fun of for having Spaghetti code, Devs wanted to rush out a product didn't care about polish and making sure everything works.
side note:
These devs know what they were doing when they propped they lady up and had her legs dead center in the middle of the video.
It does because of how early the game is: why bother polishing a system that you may end up removing? It just makes iterating faster, some stuff has already been changed around multiple times and are still not final: they recently switched from "energy based" abilities to cooldowns and are openly asking for feedback to see if people want to go back to the energy system or stick with the cooldowns (likely the latter). Soul Mode has also been changed drastically through the updates, for example it was used to gather energy to use abilities but that's not in the game anymore.
I guess you must not be in Preludes, otherwise you'd know how long the list of "stuff that has been changed" (often drastically) is (even stuff like enemies move sets or abilities), they will polish stuff once they think they are onto something, but as long as they plan to try different things, not wasting time on polishing and refining stuff that might be removed just makes iterating faster, which is a very good thing imo given how early in development this Pre-Alpha is. I don't think people who haven't played it get how SMALL the build is right now.
I need them to not be like ashes of creation. People don’t need to see every bit of the process. Just give people enough i do so they can get proper feedback to make adjustments where needed. Don’t want to kill the excitement before the game even come out.
I feel like its way too early for this stuff to matter
frankly i have a grudge against the devs (or at least the whoever handles customer service) because i had a bug that prevented me from getting boosted exp (it been so long i forgot the correct term) for at least 1 year and 6 months. i reported it and everything and after all the hassle and everything was fixed. my compensation was only 1 week of boosted exp...not mentioning the packs or gifted packs or the hours of boosted exp thats been wasted and then they had the nerve to say i HAD boosted exp all the time which was NOT the case at all
regardless, even if soul frame shapes up well and everything. it will take god appearing before or at least a full compensation from that time to make me even want to touch any of their games again. or at least one of my friends picking it up and asking me to try it. which i will once, then not again
I mean, this is DE we're talking about. This game is going to run smoother than butter and it's going to be a really good and gorgeous game, but the real question is do we really need more soulslike games?
this game does not play like a soulslike, its more closer to ghost of tsushima than any of the souls games
DE Steve is a real G.
Imagine beign exited for this game LOL
thanks
Expect more videos of Soulframe because they lifted the NDA today
would play if the player character have feeling and react to social and danger. I want the scream from darks souls and emote/spray for social. Not just silent wave emote, need to have voice and sound \^_^/
Brother has the weirdest thumbnail photos lol
i think it will be like god of war it has that vibe if they put like gods that wouldbe fire and like a one guy who will help yo to end of the game where he dies but u found way to make him alive
I think the game looks cool, and I'm interested to play it. But they've made the classic mistake of taking too long to make the game - its gonna look old on the day it releases. I can also see the Warframe engine rearing its head which doesn't exactly excite me.
Tbh what make warframe appealing to me is not even the game mechanic it the all movement system, the speed, the flow. Now that they got rid of it in this game, I don't see how this game can be good or interesting.