The DE art team has said in the past that they like to make things out of the ordinary, styles not often seen. I can see a lot of that in the game play. That alone is already refreshing, I can't wait to see where it goes from here.
Makes me sad that DE would put so much resources towards trying their hand at a souls-like game when they could instead focus on making conclave better. Yes, I’m serious. Games like Naraka make me believe that warframe PvP could be done right if they gave it some love and attention. I know PvP is taboo but I’ve also been with WF from the beginning and I believe quality PvP or dare I say a wf BR could not only be an incredible cash cow and opportunity to display and push much more tennogen, it would breathe some very fresh air into this amazing community and game that we all love so very much. 🎉❤
applied for the preludes in the first round of open sign-ups, as well as again after the livestream in japan, still havent been invited. been playing since 2014
DE has the hardest time with balance and difficulty. in warframe its often a product of the ridiculous power creep.. but if soulframe cant deliver balanced difficulty in its much reduced sandbox thats going to be very disappointing and will hut its longevity.
@@icesharkk6399 Warframe struggles with difficulty, they announce this and everyone goes "Does this mean we're getting a soulslike?" DE could've been like "Yeah we hear you, you want a challenge, so we're gonna try being a little like that but not entirely" but instead just went "nope". The game can still be fun without ridiculously tough bosses, but imo it would seriously benefit from them. Hopefully later on, way later on, bringing raid like content to Soulframe will be easier than for Warframe. Just add one proper Soulslike boss, tough as nails, hits hard, maybe has a few level mechanics to break it down. I think that would be nice
yeah i have been and wil continue to champion for better difficulty as a preludes player, i think the core at the difficulty problem is the enemy level and scalling system they are using which is basically the same as in warframe
@@icesharkk6399The constant increase in power trivializes older content, and the long time players in Warframe are so jaded from strength that they don't even remember what it was like to struggle anymore. This is most live service games in a nutshell.
The game is looking good. I really appreciate DE being so open with development and allowing us, as the community, to give feedback. I'm looking forward to seeing more on the game as it progresses and eventually trying it once it's released. Thanks for the highlights Potato, always appreciate your casual takes on things, especially in situations like these.
ya, i been defending this as DE cooks, but i have to agree the game is beautiful, DE devs and art are great, they are masters at the craft, but.... there needs to be something "oh shit that's awesome!" even a boring medieval rpg game, there's story that reminds u of LOTR or d&d, but this is unique enough it doesn't even have that shooting flashy rainbows out of a bionic arm isn't enough the duviri-like steampunk-earth-magic enemies aren't enough maybe the story will? maybe? there needs to be rage, fear, wrath, vengeance, ego, power, idols, destruction,... and i'm just not seeing that
@@alexr9643 Yes...? That's how development works. But they lifted NDA and asks for opinions already on the game general vibes and my are: its "meh" at best
I don't want to wait years after it comes out for it to be a good game. Warframe took damn near a decade and a management switch ( Reb to Steve ) to get to it's current state.
Yeah they don't really listen, when People ask for Universal Vakuum for 7! Years and then nerf it before they undo it but still give it back with Reduced Range, then the Sentient Frame which people only Voted because they thought they had the 500IQ move in making an Eidolon Killer Frame but DE made it that his DMG is useless, then the other Commuity Frame years back is still kicking, seems the Community Changed, but to say it, they only listen to Stuff Steve likes, he is not open to critisism he had a Meltdown during New War when People said the Writing was Meh he had a Meltdown on Twitter and deleted these tweets the next day.
4:16 thats kinda what the joinaries are for or will be for, so instead of having to farm a aprticular piece of armor to get certain stats/effect you will be able to use a certain joinary to give the armour you are crafting that effect, this basically allows players to look like they want to and have the efects/stats they want
i just got a key recently from some friendly redditors after being signed up since july 2022 and played a couple hours so far. considering this is essentially pre alpha, its it a pretty decent state. i had no idea what i was doing tho as there isnt much of a tutorial. excited to see how this turns out tho
i understand why people would say that watching gameplay is not convincing, but when playing it's way better, at least for me and some friends that was the main thought
One thing I will say tho is, the MOVEMENT Definitely got a big improvement from that terrible showcase they did couple months ago, like it looked so clunky and you can clearly see that there is no friction on your characters foot on the ground.. and it just look like a lot of sliding... BUT this definitely look like more refined compared to then, gameplay wise it looks alot smoother. I'm not in the wow factor like omg I NEED TO PLAY THIS but since I do enjoy souls type games, I will definitely give this a go once its out or if ever there is a public beta.
for a pre pre alpha, I've been mostly having fun once i got a hang of my abilities. i enjoy the pace of combat and vibe a lot, but there's definitely a lot of stuff to fix. i agree the nightfold is pretty sick, it feels very cozy to me. I'll be interested to see how the game progresses, i think that with more content and polish it'll be pretty nice
I've just signed up for preludes access because this looks like the exact change of pace I want but still keeping that addictive warframe gameplay loop. remembering just how barren warframe was when it first released, I'm honestly over the moon with how big their vision is on soulframe for them to start off with an open world with instanced dungeouns is awesome. also my thoughts on where the story will finally end up... well i think it's a freudian slip that they are calling it preludes for their pre-alpha... and it's slightly on the nose that your fur-friend looks like a kubrow... then there's the "packs" which are like frames... and it has you defending a planet from aliens that have advanced tech but your martial/magical prowess is enough to completely subdue otherworldly technology... i dunno i think 1999 may have been a bridge between the two ideas... and duviri paradox was a testing ground for soulframe period.
I'm glad they didn't try and lean into Soulslike combat. At Tennocon's devstream, Scott described it to have kind of "light Souls feel," maybe in death consequence or something, but in the most recent devstream, they described it more like an adventure looter. Which is fine. It's better to reclassify the game than commit to a genre they might not be able to make a product that lives up to the expectations of that genre.
I actually remember someone in Tennocon (Steve IIRC) saying they know what they did when they put "Soul-" in the title but they made it clear that it wasn't a Souls-like. They wanted Soulframe to have more grounded combat. But I'm pretty sure they already cleared it up during Tennocon that it's not a Souls-like. Maybe Scott was describing the design and fantasy element (instead of sci-fi like WF) and not the combat?
@SenseofNoneYT It was Geoff who said "we know what we did with the name." 👍 Though they all may have weighed in on what that represents and cleared it up, not just Scott.
From an audio visual and maybe technical performance aspect ?, it's looking promising, if you can let us know you're PC specifications and how you would gauge game optimisation, thx for the feedback
I wouldn't be too disappointed. you probably did yourself a favor. I player. the game lacks almost everything that would make a game fun. (currently) So you'd be better off taking a look further on in dev. For myself playing it now killed any sort of hope I had for it being anything good.
I hope they take cues from Witcher 3, notably how a bit of the community plays on _Death March_ difficulty to have engaging gameplay Shadow of Mordor's nemesis system a la Kuva Liches would also be good And just maybe everyone on the dev team should be had to play Morrowind and TTRPGs for added inspiration and direction
Ok so as a pre-pre alpha it does look promising definite still needs works but I do appreciate DE openess with the development of the game so I trust their receiving the correct feedback to make a good game.
The more you talked about it, the more convinced I became that it is or was simply D.E. trying to cash in on the Elden Ring wave. Which is fine, except for one problem - D.E. spent 11 years on WARFRAME combat, NOT OPERATOR combat. And it shows.
abilities is overpowered rn since they added more scaling with levels so it might change in the future, normally you would use the rolling ball to knockdown and utilize the lightning aoe finisher passive for Ode Tempest pact to handle crowd
Heres my take on it. In the current state its fine, its fun enough. Does it has potential heck yeah. I do want a little more difficulty, it would be nice if we could choose it.
they NEED to make the enemyes harder , even when they are 10 levels higher then you they seem to die very very fast (abilities aside) , if it wants to have a more elden ringish feel to it then the difficulty and responsivness of the enemy have to be overall difficult , at least satisfying to defeat them , levels can matter but maybe higher level brings a wider arsenal and moveset to the enemy instead of just a bigger health pool , same with the player , in this game swordplay is key but when everyting just dies then it becomes a chore
i mean i agree that the gane needs to be a lot more challenging, but elden ring is not what the devs are aiming for, they do want it to be a bit more chill, though again as it stands now its way way to easy
@@F-aber no yea i understand that but the problem is that the gameplay system heavly relies on your interaction againt the enemies 1v1 for the most part , deciding to go that way closes the path for alot of tings and gives a certain feeling (souls like) even if more chill, there is the absolute need for some challenge to make it interesting at the very least and or vary the gameplay more to not make it fall in the above listed cathegory , expecially when you got to wait hours for new piaces of equipment , i really hope they start homing in these problems cause i want them to succeed
I received the email today with the four codes. I didn't know I was already in, because it most likely went to the spam folder, and I delete that folder without even looking at what's in it. I could've been playing for a long time...
I was picked on an early beta and tried it for a few hours. It looked great, but I hit a ton of MAJOR bugs, the last of which completely stopped my progression after clearing a 'dungeon' and I was stuck inside. Closing the game did nothing. I didnt get the reward. For all I know my character is still sitting there. I hope its improved!
been playing for a few months now and bugs to that degree seem pretty rare to me, misplaced geometry enemies spawning in weird places that happens still from time to time though
I definitely get them wanting to distance themselves form the Souls-like label, since this game is much more accessible difficulty wise, but it's also true that they take inspiration from so many other aspects from the Souls-like genre (and extremely competently in my opinion) that it's kind of silly to insist on denying the similarity.
It does need a lot of work on combat side. Combo, variety in the attacks and so on. It also need work on the mobility (climbing fences, sliding, anything that can make the game less rigid would be awesome. It remind me on early warframe. Incredible art direction but lackluster gameplay features. Hope it turns out like WF.
Dude from what I've seen I feel like soul frame feels very Chaotic and unorganized idk if it's by design or bc it's unfinished but I'm excited to see where it gose. On that note combat looks like it still needs some work to feel right
Seems like the kind of game for the people that looked at Duviri Drifter combat and said "Yea, I want an entire game based around this dog shit combat system"
i donno if hit stops are the big thing that the combat is missing, i think its something else, elden ring and dark souls also dont use hit stops, or not much at least and they still feel decent to play
I received a code early when they started sending codes but I'm a PlayStation player so I am kind of in a waiting room because i can't play on a PC despite having a code
I know it's very early on but I hope they spend more time on animations and the dynamic environment. Right now it looks like a game that came out 10 years ago with a mod that enhances the graphics.
as someone who failed to find the blacksmith in the firstplace and did the one story bite preludes 6 had to offer when I joined with my beginner gear they are failing me at the missing guidance again... just like they are with warframe :/
@motodog242 might be but at the same time like they from what tactical showed it's upto prelude 7 and it's like yeah they probably got thousands maybe hundreds of thousands pre-registering and locking their envoy name (mines Einherjar XD) but idk it feels more like they are pandering to specific people and all not to be insulting to DE they are wonderful amazing devs but idk just I feel disheartened
@@mactan_sc I do and still nothing lol also it should even be going into junk so that says that there's an issue with how it's being sent that the email is reading it as spam or "not safe" mail idk
I hope they reel back the throwing weapons a bit, aside from the animations being pretty goofy atm, I just don't think every weapon should be throwable, imo, I also feel like it loses it's novelty really fast
I gotta be honest everything I've seen so far nothing has really grabbed me. I'm still going to hold out hope and give it a fair try once it releases. I've been with Warframe since 2014, been through the ups and downs, I'll keep believing in DE
It does look fun so cool. Art and vibe are on-point IMO. I just can't say much about the gameplay and combat until I actually get my hands on it myself. So far looks better than the stuff I saw from earlier builds this year though at least. WF is in good hands with Reb and Pablo right now so this is a good learning experience for Steve's team. Hoping they can learn and understand what makes a good action combat in this genre throughout Soulframe's development.
I was never concerned about art style or world design or quest design with DE. I do however hope to see engaging combat thats not a cake walk and boss fights that have good mechanics. Doesn't have to try and be a souls game. To be fair the Witcher 3 combat isn't super complex either, it's very basic. The story hard carried that game. If they can tell a crazy good story then they might get away with a less than stellar challenge however memorable, challenging combat has never been a blight on any game.
DE is amazing at creating atmospheric environments, but the amount of content in Preludes has left me a little bored I played it for a bit a while ago, but I’m waiting until the combat system evolves a little. At the moment, it just makes me miss playing Elder Scrolls Online, because if I’m only going to have a couple attacks, I’d like more abilities
What is with DE and those long ass timers? I get it, the game is free but 5 hours to craft a weapon? Ffs they're just regular weapons. I get if I'm crafting the stuff you locked behind whatever arbitrary level system they make up but dayum the first things you get blueprints for? Its time to evolve, Steve, think of something that isn’t someone's possible entire play session.
Never clicked a notification so fast. The game looks nice but i agree with the movement being stiff, looks to me very similar to a frame walking/running. Hope we get more content updates soon
the combat is missing depth, by now the feeling of hitting stuff is good enough for now, but these simple 3 hit light attack combos that we spam just get boring after a while, there is no real chaning light heavy and kicks together. Warfarme for some reason has a melee combo system even though it could probably be fine without it, but soulframe doesnt? makes no sense to me
I just think the artistic direction just isnt there yet. Its like each things doesnt fit with one another and watching this I had no idea of what its trying to do. You got this bland medieval castle, enemies with slick modern armor, a kind of futuristic art deco structure, tents with intricate detailing and whimsical medieval UI. Like I'm just confused here lol.
The people native to this place are the ones that made the castles and those same people are very medieval, meanwhile the enemies have advanced technology and have invaded and are polluting and stripping this place of it's resources
@@pedrogomes693 I get that but in the context of everything being together it needs to look like they belong in the same universe. I shouldn't need an explanation to understand the visual language. The visual is supposed to do the explaining. Like just looking at the game I had no idea that the enemies were stripping and polluting because there's none of that visually. I thought they were just enemies with camps and some blue fire. And the native population its like they disappeared with everything they owned ? There's barely hints that people used to live there outside of a few barrels and a cart. Like was there no conflict ? They just left all the buildings without a fight ? Shouldn't there be traces of a fight and corpses of the natives ?
@@willbear2173 I mean, there are a lot of things pointing to the enemies polluting. There's these machines that pour this black oil-like substance into the water and there's smoke everywhere they are. And it's pre-alpha, meaning it's unfinished by a lot. You do see people when you clear the small home areas, they come back when enemies are gone. All of these are things that come with time. Feedback is important and we should let them know but it's also important to be realistic in that a pre-alpha won't have everything you want or expect in it.
My issue is, ive been playing in warframe open worlds for so long, this is what it reminds me of, looks like and seems like it will feel like.....and i cant STAND playing there. Since its free to play, ill play it but eh...
Honestly, the art direction is neat but the game itself just comes across as very boring to me. I also don't want to have to wait for 5 or 10 years after they release Soulframe for DE to make it "good." At some point I would like DE to move past this behavior of needing to community feedback in order to make a polished game. I am also very wary of anything Steve works on due to his past behavior of starting too many concepts & ideas but never finishing them before he tries to add something else.
Agree. Hopefully they learn all the available lessons from their decade old library of missteps and do better. They certainly have a talented group of people working on this. I hope their collective talent outpaces their collective ego.
For me, it's boring. I know it is still in pre-alpha state but I wonder what is the goal of the game? What do you do in the game? Looter sword-er but everything is combat in slow-mo?
I think this game really misses the mark at the moment. Especially with the movement, they seem like the operator from warframe which btw EVERYONE HATES USING. A lot of people really love the bullet jumping and freedom of expression the warframe movement gives, not only does soulframe at the moment lack this but all the movements seem a lot stiffer and less fluent overall
yep in warframe I do not care about melee-combat animations/gameplay finesse cause it doesnt matter when mass murdering aliens. But here it is immediately noticeable...
Very DE art design (in a good way). Beautiful world and atmosphere, unique architecture, and equally unique costume design. Very DE gameplay design (in a bad way). Seems like they tried to move away from Warframe's spammy melee by slowing the tempo, but the slow tempo only made their stiff and floaty combat animation quirks even more pronounced. They've been doing this melee thing for 10 years, and never seemed to get the importance of hitstops and impactful hit SFX.
I'm reading these comments there's people hoping it's a proper souls-genre game, so harder, precise combat there's people hoping it's a horde game, like wf and there's people who see it's quality, but are uninspired i kinda feel that last one... it's beautiful, but there's a "cool" thing missing where's the "oh shit, i want to do that" in wf the "cool" is cool looking wf, and the power fantasy of doing some crazy ability and squads of enemies go flying like the warframe trailer, where it introduces mag/excal/volt ... that gets ur blood pumping, it's cool... it's "i want to do/be that!" this is just missing a "cool" or "awesome" or "sick!"... something "oh shit, I wanna do that" something badass... shooting colors out of a bionic arm isn't doing it
honestly doenst feel like duviri to me at all, dont get me wrong the combat still has some way to go, but the clunky as F combat from duviri this is not
Yeah, no. This looks, and keeps looking, terrible. And honestly, Steve, not only exhausted our patience with "we're working on it" replies to stuff for Warframe, that never arrived or we're poorly implemented; but also tried to kill Wayfinder to make this, when at least Wayfinder looked and played, and still looks and plays, much better than this.
Thoughts on Soulframe? Have you had a chance to try it yourself or still waiting for that invite?
@@TacticalPotato when is the Game Out for everyone?
The DE art team has said in the past that they like to make things out of the ordinary, styles not often seen. I can see a lot of that in the game play. That alone is already refreshing, I can't wait to see where it goes from here.
waiting on that sweet invite still v..v
Makes me sad that DE would put so much resources towards trying their hand at a souls-like game when they could instead focus on making conclave better. Yes, I’m serious. Games like Naraka make me believe that warframe PvP could be done right if they gave it some love and attention. I know PvP is taboo but I’ve also been with WF from the beginning and I believe quality PvP or dare I say a wf BR could not only be an incredible cash cow and opportunity to display and push much more tennogen, it would breathe some very fresh air into this amazing community and game that we all love so very much. 🎉❤
applied for the preludes in the first round of open sign-ups, as well as again after the livestream in japan, still havent been invited. been playing since 2014
With DE it's really hard to tell if the lack of any form of difficulty is a product of the pre alpha state or a conscious design decision.
Agreed, also unsure if its just a follow up from warframe design choices that bleed into soulframe
DE has the hardest time with balance and difficulty. in warframe its often a product of the ridiculous power creep.. but if soulframe cant deliver balanced difficulty in its much reduced sandbox thats going to be very disappointing and will hut its longevity.
@@icesharkk6399 Warframe struggles with difficulty, they announce this and everyone goes "Does this mean we're getting a soulslike?" DE could've been like "Yeah we hear you, you want a challenge, so we're gonna try being a little like that but not entirely" but instead just went "nope". The game can still be fun without ridiculously tough bosses, but imo it would seriously benefit from them. Hopefully later on, way later on, bringing raid like content to Soulframe will be easier than for Warframe. Just add one proper Soulslike boss, tough as nails, hits hard, maybe has a few level mechanics to break it down. I think that would be nice
yeah i have been and wil continue to champion for better difficulty as a preludes player, i think the core at the difficulty problem is the enemy level and scalling system they are using which is basically the same as in warframe
@@icesharkk6399The constant increase in power trivializes older content, and the long time players in Warframe are so jaded from strength that they don't even remember what it was like to struggle anymore.
This is most live service games in a nutshell.
The game is looking good. I really appreciate DE being so open with development and allowing us, as the community, to give feedback. I'm looking forward to seeing more on the game as it progresses and eventually trying it once it's released. Thanks for the highlights Potato, always appreciate your casual takes on things, especially in situations like these.
Sadly dont see anything in there that makes me think "wow cant wait to play it" sigh :(
Yeah i get it, a lot of players have that feeling. Worth keeping an eye on to see how it improves and evolves.
ya, i been defending this as DE cooks, but i have to agree
the game is beautiful, DE devs and art are great, they are masters at the craft, but....
there needs to be something "oh shit that's awesome!"
even a boring medieval rpg game, there's story that reminds u of LOTR or d&d, but this is unique enough it doesn't even have that
shooting flashy rainbows out of a bionic arm isn't enough
the duviri-like steampunk-earth-magic enemies aren't enough
maybe the story will? maybe?
there needs to be rage, fear, wrath, vengeance, ego, power, idols, destruction,...
and i'm just not seeing that
@Adexxx111 its a demo kid, it's got less content then betas lol
@@alexr9643 Yes...? That's how development works. But they lifted NDA and asks for opinions already on the game general vibes and my are: its "meh" at best
just give it a year or ten like warframe and it'll get closer to being the final product.
As far as we know DE, the game may not be released as great, but with the time passing it will become great, cause DE listens to their community.
but who will be there to support soulframe if it sucks? warframe was very lucky that it had supporters at the beginning
I don't want to wait years after it comes out for it to be a good game. Warframe took damn near a decade and a management switch ( Reb to Steve ) to get to it's current state.
Yeah they don't really listen, when People ask for Universal Vakuum for 7! Years and then nerf it before they undo it but still give it back with Reduced Range, then the Sentient Frame which people only Voted because they thought they had the 500IQ move in making an Eidolon Killer Frame but DE made it that his DMG is useless, then the other Commuity Frame years back is still kicking, seems the Community Changed, but to say it, they only listen to Stuff Steve likes, he is not open to critisism he had a Meltdown during New War when People said the Writing was Meh he had a Meltdown on Twitter and deleted these tweets the next day.
@mrsister032 new management hasn't changed much most of changes have been slated as being considered for over years before.
@@mrsister032 dude warframe got good when the second dream came out you clearly haven't been playing long and it shows
4:16 thats kinda what the joinaries are for or will be for, so instead of having to farm a aprticular piece of armor to get certain stats/effect you will be able to use a certain joinary to give the armour you are crafting that effect, this basically allows players to look like they want to and have the efects/stats they want
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ames should always let me move ui elements to where i can pay attention to them
From Preludes 2 to 7, there is a significant improvement. I am enjoying a second go around.
it does infact look like medieval warframe, and regardless of the 100s of reviews of people complaining about it, im interested.
i just got a key recently from some friendly redditors after being signed up since july 2022 and played a couple hours so far. considering this is essentially pre alpha, its it a pretty decent state. i had no idea what i was doing tho as there isnt much of a tutorial. excited to see how this turns out tho
Really enjoy Co Op melee focused games so this is right up my alley. Would be nice for a weightier feel to the attacks/movement
Visually it looks incredible, I hope it continues to be improved to become a great high fantasy action RPG unlike any other
i understand why people would say that watching gameplay is not convincing, but when playing it's way better, at least for me and some friends that was the main thought
One thing I will say tho is, the MOVEMENT Definitely got a big improvement from that terrible showcase they did couple months ago, like it looked so clunky and you can clearly see that there is no friction on your characters foot on the ground.. and it just look like a lot of sliding... BUT this definitely look like more refined compared to then, gameplay wise it looks alot smoother. I'm not in the wow factor like omg I NEED TO PLAY THIS but since I do enjoy souls type games, I will definitely give this a go once its out or if ever there is a public beta.
for a pre pre alpha, I've been mostly having fun once i got a hang of my abilities. i enjoy the pace of combat and vibe a lot, but there's definitely a lot of stuff to fix. i agree the nightfold is pretty sick, it feels very cozy to me. I'll be interested to see how the game progresses, i think that with more content and polish it'll be pretty nice
I've just signed up for preludes access because this looks like the exact change of pace I want but still keeping that addictive warframe gameplay loop.
remembering just how barren warframe was when it first released, I'm honestly over the moon with how big their vision is on soulframe for them to start off with an open world with instanced dungeouns is awesome.
also my thoughts on where the story will finally end up... well i think it's a freudian slip that they are calling it preludes for their pre-alpha... and it's slightly on the nose that your fur-friend looks like a kubrow... then there's the "packs" which are like frames... and it has you defending a planet from aliens that have advanced tech but your martial/magical prowess is enough to completely subdue otherworldly technology...
i dunno i think 1999 may have been a bridge between the two ideas... and duviri paradox was a testing ground for soulframe period.
3:17 This gives the same vibes as when a main character is about to die by the enemy and then he gets saved by his friend lmao
8:40 lmao the little googly eye'd things at the bottom
I'm glad they didn't try and lean into Soulslike combat. At Tennocon's devstream, Scott described it to have kind of "light Souls feel," maybe in death consequence or something, but in the most recent devstream, they described it more like an adventure looter. Which is fine. It's better to reclassify the game than commit to a genre they might not be able to make a product that lives up to the expectations of that genre.
I actually remember someone in Tennocon (Steve IIRC) saying they know what they did when they put "Soul-" in the title but they made it clear that it wasn't a Souls-like. They wanted Soulframe to have more grounded combat. But I'm pretty sure they already cleared it up during Tennocon that it's not a Souls-like.
Maybe Scott was describing the design and fantasy element (instead of sci-fi like WF) and not the combat?
@SenseofNoneYT It was Geoff who said "we know what we did with the name." 👍 Though they all may have weighed in on what that represents and cleared it up, not just Scott.
I'm very excited for this!!!!
From an audio visual and maybe technical performance aspect ?, it's looking promising, if you can let us know you're PC specifications and how you would gauge game optimisation, thx for the feedback
I just realized I had an invite sitting in my inbox that I never got the chance to use.
I wouldn't be too disappointed. you probably did yourself a favor. I player. the game lacks almost everything that would make a game fun. (currently)
So you'd be better off taking a look further on in dev. For myself playing it now killed any sort of hope I had for it being anything good.
I hope they take cues from Witcher 3, notably how a bit of the community plays on _Death March_ difficulty to have engaging gameplay
Shadow of Mordor's nemesis system a la Kuva Liches would also be good
And just maybe everyone on the dev team should be had to play Morrowind and TTRPGs for added inspiration and direction
Ok so as a pre-pre alpha it does look promising definite still needs works but I do appreciate DE openess with the development of the game so I trust their receiving the correct feedback to make a good game.
Halberd and Fae build has been super fun.
The more you talked about it, the more convinced I became that it is or was simply D.E. trying to cash in on the Elden Ring wave. Which is fine, except for one problem - D.E. spent 11 years on WARFRAME combat, NOT OPERATOR combat. And it shows.
abilities is overpowered rn since they added more scaling with levels so it might change in the future, normally you would use the rolling ball to knockdown and utilize the lightning aoe finisher passive for Ode Tempest pact to handle crowd
Heres my take on it. In the current state its fine, its fun enough. Does it has potential heck yeah. I do want a little more difficulty, it would be nice if we could choose it.
Remember they said that any improvements they make with Soulframe will carry over to Duviri and vice versa.
they NEED to make the enemyes harder , even when they are 10 levels higher then you they seem to die very very fast (abilities aside) , if it wants to have a more elden ringish feel to it then the difficulty and responsivness of the enemy have to be overall difficult , at least satisfying to defeat them , levels can matter but maybe higher level brings a wider arsenal and moveset to the enemy instead of just a bigger health pool , same with the player , in this game swordplay is key but when everyting just dies then it becomes a chore
i mean i agree that the gane needs to be a lot more challenging, but elden ring is not what the devs are aiming for, they do want it to be a bit more chill, though again as it stands now its way way to easy
@@F-aber no yea i understand that but the problem is that the gameplay system heavly relies on your interaction againt the enemies 1v1 for the most part , deciding to go that way closes the path for alot of tings and gives a certain feeling (souls like) even if more chill, there is the absolute need for some challenge to make it interesting at the very least and or vary the gameplay more to not make it fall in the above listed cathegory , expecially when you got to wait hours for new piaces of equipment , i really hope they start homing in these problems cause i want them to succeed
@ oh I agree the difficulty and balance is still a pretty big problem and also my biggest concern about the game
they really need to add hitstop to melee animations in both warframe and soulframe, it'd feel much more impactful
I received the email today with the four codes. I didn't know I was already in, because it most likely went to the spam folder, and I delete that folder without even looking at what's in it. I could've been playing for a long time...
I was picked on an early beta and tried it for a few hours. It looked great, but I hit a ton of MAJOR bugs, the last of which completely stopped my progression after clearing a 'dungeon' and I was stuck inside. Closing the game did nothing. I didnt get the reward. For all I know my character is still sitting there.
I hope its improved!
been playing for a few months now and bugs to that degree seem pretty rare to me, misplaced geometry enemies spawning in weird places that happens still from time to time though
I wish thrones and liberty had this combat
I definitely get them wanting to distance themselves form the Souls-like label, since this game is much more accessible difficulty wise, but it's also true that they take inspiration from so many other aspects from the Souls-like genre (and extremely competently in my opinion) that it's kind of silly to insist on denying the similarity.
Also, the combat is already better than Witcher 3 in my opinion.
Witcher 3 is an amazing game but the combat in it is pretty mid.
Oke, oke. It's PRE-PRE-ALPHA. We should chill out, send in our feedback. And let DE cook!
It does need a lot of work on combat side. Combo, variety in the attacks and so on. It also need work on the mobility (climbing fences, sliding, anything that can make the game less rigid would be awesome. It remind me on early warframe. Incredible art direction but lackluster gameplay features. Hope it turns out like WF.
I'll just wait until this is fully released.
warframe isn't even technically "fully released" yet lol
@@LittleLeonie bruh the game released in 2013 fym technically.
@@LowkeyStreams he is right, the game is a Beta technically, as stated in steam and others
@ no bro that whole “ beta technicality “ got thrown out the window 3-4 years after the game released. It’s been 9+ years it’s a fully released game.
@@LowkeyStreams ur right
Looks interesting. If it ends up being anything like Vermintide 2. I will drop countless hours in this game.
Dude from what I've seen I feel like soul frame feels very Chaotic and unorganized idk if it's by design or bc it's unfinished but I'm excited to see where it gose. On that note combat looks like it still needs some work to feel right
Looks cool. I signed up, we'll see
Seems like the kind of game for the people that looked at Duviri Drifter combat and said "Yea, I want an entire game based around this dog shit combat system"
Exactly 😅💯
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someone can't parry arrows
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The enemies look like they're not even trying.
Can the alpha be accessed on consoles at all?
i donno if hit stops are the big thing that the combat is missing, i think its something else, elden ring and dark souls also dont use hit stops, or not much at least and they still feel decent to play
what are the requisites to run the game?
2013 Tennos know. More power to DE.
The invites are pc exclusive right?
I want to play 👀
I received a code early when they started sending codes but I'm a PlayStation player so I am kind of in a waiting room because i can't play on a PC despite having a code
I know it's very early on but I hope they spend more time on animations and the dynamic environment. Right now it looks like a game that came out 10 years ago with a mod that enhances the graphics.
It honestly looks like it’s using a ton of warframe animations which would give it a dated feel with how old warframe is
yep
Is it online(that requires internet connection to play)only like WF?
as someone who failed to find the blacksmith in the firstplace and did the one story bite preludes 6 had to offer when I joined with my beginner gear they are failing me at the missing guidance again... just like they are with warframe :/
@@LittleLeonie TIL there was a blacksmith. Guess I have the same issue.
@@bowlhalfempty right..? 😐
been signed up since the website first went live and heard nothing since
make sure you check your junk and spam. a great many people have missed their invites and found theirs when prompted to look
Ditto. Was one of the first who signed up, and got nothing. Guess because I’m not a streamer. 🤷
@motodog242 might be but at the same time like they from what tactical showed it's upto prelude 7 and it's like yeah they probably got thousands maybe hundreds of thousands pre-registering and locking their envoy name (mines Einherjar XD) but idk it feels more like they are pandering to specific people and all not to be insulting to DE they are wonderful amazing devs but idk just I feel disheartened
@@mactan_sc I do and still nothing lol also it should even be going into junk so that says that there's an issue with how it's being sent that the email is reading it as spam or "not safe" mail idk
@@rx-0unicorngundam296 They give out between 2 and 10k invites every week I believe. It took ages for my invite to show up.
Combat reminds me of God of War a bit. Throwing weapon, dodging, parrying, and so on.
my issue is that if this game is intending to be a harder game it...uh isn't looking very good
I hope they reel back the throwing weapons a bit, aside from the animations being pretty goofy atm, I just don't think every weapon should be throwable, imo, I also feel like it loses it's novelty really fast
It should have a longer cooldown. Right now I can just yeet weapons non stop
I thought the game was coming out soon?
I gotta be honest everything I've seen so far nothing has really grabbed me. I'm still going to hold out hope and give it a fair try once it releases. I've been with Warframe since 2014, been through the ups and downs, I'll keep believing in DE
One thing that I jarring in game dev these days is that almost all games from a certain genre look and feel the same.
It does look fun so cool. Art and vibe are on-point IMO. I just can't say much about the gameplay and combat until I actually get my hands on it myself. So far looks better than the stuff I saw from earlier builds this year though at least.
WF is in good hands with Reb and Pablo right now so this is a good learning experience for Steve's team. Hoping they can learn and understand what makes a good action combat in this genre throughout Soulframe's development.
Druid or Palidan type class ?
The 3rd pact has healing, debuffs enemies and deals some damage.
@TacticalPotato thank you :)
I was never concerned about art style or world design or quest design with DE. I do however hope to see engaging combat thats not a cake walk and boss fights that have good mechanics. Doesn't have to try and be a souls game.
To be fair the Witcher 3 combat isn't super complex either, it's very basic. The story hard carried that game. If they can tell a crazy good story then they might get away with a less than stellar challenge however memorable, challenging combat has never been a blight on any game.
DE is amazing at creating atmospheric environments, but the amount of content in Preludes has left me a little bored
I played it for a bit a while ago, but I’m waiting until the combat system evolves a little. At the moment, it just makes me miss playing Elder Scrolls Online, because if I’m only going to have a couple attacks, I’d like more abilities
any support for controller yet?
Yes
Is this just Duviri?
"Wonky hitboxes"
You were absolutely lying when you said this is in no way a Souls game.
What is with DE and those long ass timers? I get it, the game is free but 5 hours to craft a weapon? Ffs they're just regular weapons. I get if I'm crafting the stuff you locked behind whatever arbitrary level system they make up but dayum the first things you get blueprints for? Its time to evolve, Steve, think of something that isn’t someone's possible entire play session.
Never clicked a notification so fast. The game looks nice but i agree with the movement being stiff, looks to me very similar to a frame walking/running. Hope we get more content updates soon
its free right?
It will be yes
Just not a big fan of the combat, environment and atmosphere looks really good.
the combat is missing depth, by now the feeling of hitting stuff is good enough for now, but these simple 3 hit light attack combos that we spam just get boring after a while, there is no real chaning light heavy and kicks together. Warfarme for some reason has a melee combo system even though it could probably be fine without it, but soulframe doesnt? makes no sense to me
Kind of reminded me of skyrim
Looks pretty fun
I just think the artistic direction just isnt there yet. Its like each things doesnt fit with one another and watching this I had no idea of what its trying to do. You got this bland medieval castle, enemies with slick modern armor, a kind of futuristic art deco structure, tents with intricate detailing and whimsical medieval UI.
Like I'm just confused here lol.
The people native to this place are the ones that made the castles and those same people are very medieval, meanwhile the enemies have advanced technology and have invaded and are polluting and stripping this place of it's resources
The enemies and the castle are unrelated to each other so it makes sense to have totally different designs
@@pedrogomes693 Exactly. I thought that was shown pretty well. 2 different races, 2 different levels of technology with us having Nature on our.
@@pedrogomes693 I get that but in the context of everything being together it needs to look like they belong in the same universe. I shouldn't need an explanation to understand the visual language. The visual is supposed to do the explaining.
Like just looking at the game I had no idea that the enemies were stripping and polluting because there's none of that visually. I thought they were just enemies with camps and some blue fire.
And the native population its like they disappeared with everything they owned ? There's barely hints that people used to live there outside of a few barrels and a cart. Like was there no conflict ? They just left all the buildings without a fight ? Shouldn't there be traces of a fight and corpses of the natives ?
@@willbear2173 I mean, there are a lot of things pointing to the enemies polluting. There's these machines that pour this black oil-like substance into the water and there's smoke everywhere they are. And it's pre-alpha, meaning it's unfinished by a lot. You do see people when you clear the small home areas, they come back when enemies are gone. All of these are things that come with time. Feedback is important and we should let them know but it's also important to be realistic in that a pre-alpha won't have everything you want or expect in it.
My issue is, ive been playing in warframe open worlds for so long, this is what it reminds me of, looks like and seems like it will feel like.....and i cant STAND playing there. Since its free to play, ill play it but eh...
Is this cross platform or is it at least going to have cross play within a reasonable time
I believe it will be cross platform. Its going to be like warframe
I wish they hired The Lies of P developers to design the gameplay. Make it play like a good souls-like MMO. Elden Ring with infinite dungeons.
Honestly, the art direction is neat but the game itself just comes across as very boring to me. I also don't want to have to wait for 5 or 10 years after they release Soulframe for DE to make it "good." At some point I would like DE to move past this behavior of needing to community feedback in order to make a polished game. I am also very wary of anything Steve works on due to his past behavior of starting too many concepts & ideas but never finishing them before he tries to add something else.
Agree. Hopefully they learn all the available lessons from their decade old library of missteps and do better. They certainly have a talented group of people working on this. I hope their collective talent outpaces their collective ego.
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The art team really carries DE. So far nothing really makes me want to play it though...
is the game better as a pve or a single player game? just wondering
Careful! The second you said "Like Duviri, but more polished" I instantly thought "Oh Hell No! Ef this game!".
I mean, no point in lying about its current combat and what it feels like.
Hoping that the combat is better than duviri because that is not good gameplay.
omg is that me killing nimrod? wow im famous!
Alca Quivers in anger
It looks like warframe, has warframe elements in it. It's the same void shit revamped and proposed in a new vest
For me, it's boring. I know it is still in pre-alpha state but I wonder what is the goal of the game? What do you do in the game? Looter sword-er but everything is combat in slow-mo?
Lack of real challenge is my only issue with warframe if this is the same I don’t see any reason it can be interesting.
I wonder if they're gonna use platinum as the microtransaction currency same as Warfrane and if so would it be shared with Warframe... I wonder.
Doubt they will. It looks like a different currency
I think this game really misses the mark at the moment. Especially with the movement, they seem like the operator from warframe which btw EVERYONE HATES USING. A lot of people really love the bullet jumping and freedom of expression the warframe movement gives, not only does soulframe at the moment lack this but all the movements seem a lot stiffer and less fluent overall
yep in warframe I do not care about melee-combat animations/gameplay finesse cause it doesnt matter when mass murdering aliens. But here it is immediately noticeable...
Very DE art design (in a good way). Beautiful world and atmosphere, unique architecture, and equally unique costume design.
Very DE gameplay design (in a bad way). Seems like they tried to move away from Warframe's spammy melee by slowing the tempo, but the slow tempo only made their stiff and floaty combat animation quirks even more pronounced. They've been doing this melee thing for 10 years, and never seemed to get the importance of hitstops and impactful hit SFX.
I'm reading these comments
there's people hoping it's a proper souls-genre game, so harder, precise combat
there's people hoping it's a horde game, like wf
and there's people who see it's quality, but are uninspired
i kinda feel that last one... it's beautiful, but there's a "cool" thing missing
where's the "oh shit, i want to do that"
in wf the "cool" is cool looking wf, and the power fantasy of doing some crazy ability and squads of enemies go flying
like the warframe trailer, where it introduces mag/excal/volt ... that gets ur blood pumping, it's cool...
it's "i want to do/be that!"
this is just missing a "cool" or "awesome" or "sick!"... something "oh shit, I wanna do that"
something badass... shooting colors out of a bionic arm isn't doing it
Agreed, nothing stands out as like oh this is why to play this game. No wow factor.
Animations still clunky as fuck lol
I hope our characters don’t have to look so freaky and can look nice
The gameplay footage they showed almost 2 years ago looked way better than this wth
Wanting a slower and harder game from DE seems like a fever dream.. Soulframe will soon be another Dynasty Warriors, just like warframe.
Whole game feels like operator combat
Not to sound too cruel but, it feels too much like duviri, other than that it's amazing
honestly doenst feel like duviri to me at all, dont get me wrong the combat still has some way to go, but the clunky as F combat from duviri this is not
@F-aber yeah it's definitely better than that but still a long way to go....... I wouldn't bung a mediaeval warframe game
I think of Soulframe as the DragonFable to Warframe's MechQuest. Hopefully someone understand the reference lol
Ooof still seems like a meh game. still might try it but i can already tell it wont grab me.
Yeah, no. This looks, and keeps looking, terrible.
And honestly, Steve, not only exhausted our patience with "we're working on it" replies to stuff for Warframe, that never arrived or we're poorly implemented; but also tried to kill Wayfinder to make this, when at least Wayfinder looked and played, and still looks and plays, much better than this.