chuck, i like your show alot, thank you! we purchased 4 nine bots max original and 2 show error 15, we are having problems clearing them, do you any suggestions
I just got mine and I love it. Perfect scooter for the price. Everything about it I have no complaints. I got mine to 30km with just the firmware update. I drove max speed to and from work 5.5 miles, 11 mile round trip, and still had 2 bars and the other one blinking. So 2 and a half you can say. Great scooter and the tires are great. I had to replace mine on a hoover scooter and it completely went to shit after that. No tubes would fit and the ones that did, the stem was too long or curved. So having no replacement tubes is by far my favorite thing about it.
Got two G30LP's from Costco and returned the larger Max...reasons...very simple....the max is heavier, doesn't fit in the trunk, handle bars are to high and overall ride quality is the same between these scooters. Also I like the charger to be separate from scooter because if adapter breaks it can easily be replaced. In the Max the charger has to be replaced from inside the scooter. Bottom line, anybody under 5'-8" can easily ride the G30LP. If taller then 5"-8" then Max is needed because larger deck.
Thank you for the super informative and professionally done video! I absolutely love my ninebot Max G 30 LP scooter. I'm a smaller person, 125 pounds, and I use the scooter to go to one of my jobs and to go to my parents' house as I am a caretaker. I have saved so much gas and had so much fun riding around on the scooter on the side streets and bike paths. So glad I purchased it!
They didn’t mention the main appeal of the new scooter. The reason some of its stats are worse is because the battery can make the scooter go full speed even when it is about to die, which means you could be going the full 19mph at 10% battery. As for the old version, it begins to lose top speed once the battery is below 70% battery. I had the opportunity to buy either one for the same price and I actually went with the new version because this trait is so valuable to me.
I got the G30LP and I have absolutely no complaints. I'm 5'5" 180lbs dude so its fine for me. Did the firmware hack and man that thing takes off now! No issues!
I've had mine now for 6 months and I'm over 300 lb I use it for work and fun and put 300 miles on it and the thing is a beast , I attached a wagon to the back of the seat to use as a pull equipment to and from the field when I'm working, everybody is always jealous saying that's the way to go . On my channel on my i do reviews on this particular shooter . I love it so much .
I have both the Ninebot max and the G30LP. I like both. When I go on short trips I take the G30LP. Heavier trips I take my Ninebot. Both are well made.
G30LP is a little smaller and has a range of 25 miles on a full charge. The Ninebot Max has a range of 40 miles on a full charge. They both can reach 19 MPH.
Just dipping my toe in the scooter market.. actually bought it for using on the golf course. This was a perfect video to teach me about the features of the G30 LP. PS I'm 6'8 240lb and it fits me pretty good!
Great review ESG! I am 59 years young, 5' 7", 175 pounds. I like the specs for my first scooter purchase (getting it next week). I will be taking it to some camp grounds that have small hills. Can't wait!
Yeah I’ve had it for almost half a year and it’s my first scooter I think it’s pretty good but the longer you ride something You’ll start to think you wanna go a little faster the range is good but sometimes you wish you can go a little faster and the price range plays a part
I got the Ninebot Max G30LP for $520 on BF Amazon flash sale, so I am not complaining. Beside I am a “regular” size guy, who fit this lighter escooter.
Hey Keith - I just got it too on Amazon for $599.99 but haven’t unboxed yet. Have you taken it out for a spin? I’m 5’10 about 205 rockin size 11 sneakers. Wondering if the deck n where your arms are for the bars seem comfy to you. Thanks bud.
@@playboy2323 I have it for a little over a month now. So far I put 129 mi on it. It feels quite comfortable, except the lid of the charge socket. It is difficult to put on correctly and easy to get loose. The loose off of the lid doesn’t feel like affecting the performance of the escooter though.
Damn, you got a good price huh. Now it is around 699 dollars less 20 dollars coupon. Anyway how is it for a regular commute? Any issues suspension wise? I don't want to go for cheaper models like Xiaomi 365 or GoTrax 4 and be worried about build/quality issues.
My vehicle transmission actually went out and after 6 months of using uber decided to invest an e scooter for my 2 miles commute to work. I was actually tried finding a video review on the ninebot 30 series but mostly on the original g30 not much on the lp. Only readable reviews this actually is spot on except from the charging door having issues with door or lid braking. I went ahead and went with the original g30 with the max since It was delivered earlier of the versions. Being almost 50 years old thing 5'6" 145 lbs it basically no frills and jump on and go. Only thing i need to do pay attenion to surrounding. New to the hobby and looking forward to more upcoming in depth reviews from the esg crew thanks.
Nice vid and thanks for the comparison updates. To suit my size and travel distance needs I would go for the original Ninebot Max. However my real reason for thinking of buying one is not one that I find online to have been considered....I could be wrong....but anyways...... I have a HIace Hitop Campervan and intend travelling extensively. As a Senior Citizen, for me to have another means of transport to use either to go get help in case of vehicle breakdown or medical emergency or if I need to go pick up supplies and shopping are all for me highly important considerations. That means I need to seriously look at how I am going to port the thing in my Campervan. My van is being serviced right now so I am only guessing when I say that the Ninebot might fit under the bed at the rear. That will deprive me of quite some of the space I normally use for plastic food storage bins. But.....this is all about consideration of PRIORITIES , CONVENIENCE along with PROTECTION OF PERSONAL MOBILITY... so I am staying focused on that. One thing that occurs to me is that it would greatly simplify storage of a Ninebot if the handle could be rotated to be in line with the body when it is folded up. It could then be stored lying either vertically or flat within a limited space such as a car boot, or attached to the back of a vehicle somehow. Bicycle holders which attach to the vehicle towball have been around for years...I will have to check if there is such an option for E-scooters, and one that ensures they are rendered thief proof to a reasonable degree. So for me, the considerations are not so much about having FUN......but things much more important. The FUN to be had will for me be more that of PERSONAL SATISFACTION that I have covered the important bases I set out to. I am sure I will have FUN riding one. I still get that even riding my bike at age 76 !
i have been a e scooter nerd since i got my first one ninebot es1 and now i have 3 es1 max 30 and now waiting for the new order cant wait, may all time fav is this one i love everyhing about it
@@KevinModz65 I just bought it but it took awhile to connect to an iPhone and I think the app isn't all its cracked up to be.....but the scooter works just fine - for now! have a good one ✌️
@@marinct3176 Hi Marin, I think you may find this new model does the trick- does for me! I love it, good to go right out of the box. happy shopping! ride safe....
Just bought this in Costco. I really love it. I'm only 5'6 so it's perfect in my height. I use it everyday to work. It's only drawback is the range. Your work distance should not be more than 15 kilometers away from your house in order to ride this scooter back and forth without charging. If your work is 20km away then get the Max. Even though it says max range of 40km this scooter will probably get you to max range of 38. Roads aren't level all the time and weather condition can also affect the range.
Great review guys! You said it best Chuck. If the original Max did not exist, then this newer version would be a contender amongst the crowd. I will defend the original Ninebot Max to the very end. Segway needs to go back to the drawing board in a locked room and stay there until they come up with something more impressive 🛴💨😃
I think you said it better than I said it lol. Maybe if they had given more options to increase/decrease the motor power then riders could tweak their own power/range to make it optimum for them.
I have the original max. I am buying a second one because I love it so much. When I saw the new version come out I loved your video because it really explain the differences I am 6'2" tall and really have issues with scooters I do not fit my frame. Yeah man I think ninebot builds an incredible product I think the difference between the two scooters really comes down to size my personal recommendation is to spend the extra hundred dollars and get the original Max it is in such a solid machine I love it
Dont know why they come up with a new Max if the other one was so hard to improve on, would have been best they had the old one until they managed to break the mold again in some more years, like adding suspension or increasing range or acceleration. Just making it smaller, removing the integrated charger and reducing range does not make any sense, instead makes it a downgrade and more in line with the xiaomi.
@@Darmixo nope 👎 look on the motor (rear wheel) , if the serial number starts with a 6 it’s the old motor (not brushless ) if it starts with 9 it’s a brushless motor
@@JCKloppers Sorry, that's simply not correct. ALL modern-day eScooters employ Brushless DC Motors -all of them! The difference between the Serial 6x motors & the Serial 9x ones is mainly to do with the number of turns of wire that is used for the electromagnet for each motor segment -thereby giving each motor type a slightly different performance characteristic. -And the 'gauge' of the wire [thickness] is different too. I understand that the Serial 6x motors have greater driving power (torque) for going up steep inclines, but have slightly slower top speeds. While the 9x motors have higher top speeds but have slightly less torque available for going up steep inclines. But then, most people seem to judge how fast a scooter can go on the flat -and forget to consider how well a scooter can handle steep inclines. But this latter aspect is pretty important for people who live in hilly cities though. Cheers
I just got this at Costco on sale for a good discount. I'm pretty happy with it so far and I like that it's a bit smaller and lighter than the previous model. I'm not needing to go like 45 miles on an escooter anyways.
I try to think of it as a good round trip distance. I might not want to go 45 miles away on it but if I might go half that distance then at least it should get me back home. Anyway, mine doesn’t tha be that range anyway, being the newer model, but it’s worth considering that approach.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I live in the UK...the world's most unfriendly country for e-scooters. I've an electric bike currently but one day when the UK see's the light I'll get a scooter.
@@satwikk9896I coincidentally bought it on Amazon Prime Day of July 11th this year and it was exactly the same price as you described! It is simply amazing and I already have 700+ miles on it! It helped me get on time at my 2 hour, multi-modal commute home and to work with barely any battery remaining every time I come home. I'm looking to upgrade to an F2 Pro this Christmas to make sure the speed does not dip to 17mph when you drop below 60% battery on the G30LP.
@@satwikk9896It was amazing and reliable. I now upgraded to a Ninebot F2 Pro which is faster, more powerful and sleeker in ride quality with roughly the same range but requires more maintenance.
@@chaxologist2024f2 pro doesn't even have a battery it does but that battery is so small that you'll have to be kicking it most of the time to get it up to 20
I think I would prefer G30LP but it's still far from perfect, I fear that it would be near impossible for me to carry around. I was hoping this version would cut down the weight much more.
Thanks a million! Honestly! You guys totally and utterly ROCK! I have recently become interested in buying an electric scooter, and I super appreciate all the reviews and the detailed information you guys include on your videos etc. By the way in my opinion the videos you guys make are the best and the most professional looking and sounding, and the most informative. You guys are seriously amazing!!! A huge well done to you all! THANK YOU! 😃🙏💖😃🙏💖
In shoes I’m over 6ft and I wear size 12’s. One of my feet is more than half the deck size. This is too small for me. I just ordered the Xiaomi Essential to get me started then I’ll upgrade to a Ninebot when I’m ready for more speed and range.
I got one at costco for 850 cad. I was considering the max but everywhere else sells it for 1200 cad( used ones sell for 950-1000 ) best buy had them for sale for 1100 at one point but they all ways sell out. I feel like i already got a good deal and i get around 30km on it . Gets me from home to work and back no problem and ive been using it for 7 months . I saved a couple hundred dollars not paying for parking and auto insurance. So if you live in the city i would recommend getting one ( get the max though, I feel like the extra miles on it will help) I dont k ow where people are getting them for a "$100" than the glp but if you can get them on sale then go for it
I can see why they shortened the deck. Still though. For me, the range is everything. The OG Max would still be my pick but then why spend the 800 when I can spend 300 more for the Zero 8 Pro w/ 21ah battery & seat?
It’s pretty good, but I weigh 172 lbs and carry around 20-30 pounds on me so I’m not surprised when it inches up hills. If I was 20 pounds lighter im sure it would do better
This thing is brilliant! I opted to return my E22 and buy a refurbished G30LP. This thing is so much faster and built like a TANK. Surprisingly, the lighter E22 doesn't fit in my car trunk, but the G30LP barely does because of it's reduced folded length.
Thank you for the review. Just got an F30 for my teenage son, and wondering now if it was the best option. He likes to ride for a few hours at times, and the F30 has an 18 mile range, and no way to hook up am external battery. Are either of these Max scooters able to use an external battery, and which would you say would be better to just cruise on daily ? He's 150 lbs and growing currently. He wants to ride longer, and also add LED lights to it.
The F30 does seem like a solid scooter, so iffy on switching it. Just a little bummed it's very limited to what it is. Battery lasted him about 40 minutes, 10-15 miles while using it in all 3 modes trying it out.
That's why you don't drive like an asshole and have plenty of lights for night time and pay close attention when you're driving in the daytime. I have been writing electric scooters for over 5 years and never hit a pothole or got into an accident ebikes are a waste of money for what you get
Hello, i'm trying to figure out if i should by LP or not, but one thing worries me is slow acceleration. Is it possible to change by custom firmware? I mean, is it possible to configure to accelerate faster? Like, to have more fast start?
I'm happy with the g30 I'm not sure what lp means maybe light power, yeah distance is key to transport from electric powered vehicles I recommend pay extra for better as you get what ya pay for .
The issue is laws. Many places consider anything that goes 20km or faster as a motorcycle class vehicle, so you need a motorcycle license and insurance to ride something that fast in most places. All these scooters can do more than 20, they're just artificially limited so they don't fall into that category. But to be honest, +20mph is simply a dangerous speed to ride at when you're just standing on little more than a small moving platform on 2 wheels. Even 15mph is dangerous for crashes. Even 10mph can break bones. So really, these speed issues won't change much. If you want to go faster, that's what mopeds and motorcycles are for.
Built in fast charger is definitely another benefit of the original. You lose a lot for just a hundred bucks saving. Seriously, if you want something smaller and lighter, just go for a m365 pro
Is it just $100 though? I just purchased the newer generation for $899 and it looks like the original is $1159 on Amazon. I still feel like I made a mistake though and should have got the original :(
ETWOW geni.us/74l8?track=web is hard to beat for both of those things. The ride isn't the smoothest, because of the solid tires. But it's light, compact and fast. -Paul
This is helpful as I am 6ft tall. I am looking for my 1st scooter. I am a cyclist and surprised handlebar or stem height is fixed on scooters not adjustable. Anyway the Max (taller one) is looking like the best choice for me.
I'd go with the E45. The E45 is the evolution of the original Ninebot ES series. They improved everything. Dual density tires, front/rear brakes, front spring suspension makes a return. I owned the ES1. All of these upgrades plus the good parts of the ES should make it a top quality scooter. I only wish the E45 was available in the American market.
Yes. These are built to take a beating. As with any scooter, jump enough curbs hard enough and you'll eventually break something, but this scooter is about as strong as scooters get, since it was designed for the sharing market.
You guys are insane. The previous Ninebot scooters have the absolute WORST build quality and DOA rate. My ES3 Plus from Costco made the snap sound when unfolding exactly ONCE and never again. I noticed extreme tire wear within days and the front tire tread was almost gone within one month. It also developed stem wobble, a loose external battery rail, and Error 42. Their customer support literally told me to wait for a response and then closed the case, forcing me to deal with Error 42 myself. I found a charred connection with the main battery so I cleaned it, tightened up the battery rail, tightened every other screw I could access, tightened the hard to access suspension nut to reduce stem wobble and got another two weeks before getting Error 42 again. Cleaning it again and adding dielectric grease got me going for another month and a half before Error 42, which was longer than ever, so I repeated the process for another month and a half. The stem wobble had also returned but tightening everything accessible to me was not getting rid of it. Soon I had the front wheel go almost 180° from the handlebars while I was going full speed, throwing me to the ground and sending me sliding. Thankfully I was wearing a helmet but my jeans were torn wide open leaving a horribly bloodied knee and even my lips and chin were scraped and bloodied from sliding on the sidewalk. Sure enough, screws I could not access to tighten and maintain had backed out underneath the warranty sticker. When it developed Error 42 again I stopped riding it and returned it to Costco. The ES3 Plus really is an ES4 so I took another chance on an ES4 from a salvage store. It still had all the twist ties and smudge/scratch film and had never been paired with a phone so I knew it was never used. Even so, I got Error 21 the first time I tried to use it. This seems to be similar to Error 42 except for the internal battery. Bouncing the scooter would sometimes clear the error but it always came back, even while charging. I’m taking it back as soon as I can get to the store with it, which is difficult without a car (mine was crushed by a tornado, hence the need for a scooter). This one still makes the click when I unfold it which tells me that there really was something wrong with the original even though I couldn’t get Segway support to acknowledge it. My roommate picked up an ES4 at the same time as me so we will see how long his lasts. His had been previously paired but so far it has no functional issues. I did notice that rubber pieces were peeling off after the first day. It’s clear to me that Ninebot uses a different MFG partner for the Max which is why I’m looking at this video. You can tell by the latching mech and the display. The new Anyhill UM-2 seems to be from the people who make the original ES series Ninebots.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Yes, but your comment about the brand’s reliability and history for out of box experience/DOA was obviously based on their previous models. Their previous models were predominantly the problematic ES-series, which are notorious for being DOA along with many other issues (burned fuse/resistor, error 42, error 21, stem wobble, etc). They have an absolutely abysmal track record before the Max. :(
I bought an original Ninebot Max last year, and it got stolen this year. Two months later, I bought another one, and three months later, it also got stolen. Both times, they were locked, with the difference that the first time, the lock was not completely tight. The second time, it was, though. The first time, the thieves left the lock behind. The second time, they took the lock. I just bought the Max G30LP, but this time, I do not even need a lock because I am not leaving it outside anymore. 😂😂😂
All locks, even the most expensive ones, can be defeated in under 30 seconds, whether they're picking it or cutting the lock. What cities really need to do is have lockers outside every major store that can fit folded scooters and you get a monthly subscription that allows you to use a locker anywhere at any time they are available, that can only be unlocked electronically by you. So if a locker is vacant, it gets cleared, then you activate it to use, where then no other person can access it until you clear the locker's reservation, with say 12 hours before the locker releases on its own automatically so that a person can't abuse it to tie up a locker permanently. Then when you are ready to retrieve it, you just use a personal keycard or something like that, which then automatically opens the lock and clears access for the next person to come by and use it. Have each lock setup come with a monitoring camera, along with break in alarms that automatically alert the police in case someone tries to cut into the lockers. I think people would be willing to pay $20/mo for a service like that, and yeah it's be costly to initially setup, but it's the only way we're ever going to truly have any kind of security. They also need to update the laws, treating scooter theft no different than grand theft auto, making it a felony with a $25,000 fine and 1 year mandatory prison sentence. That's a big part of the problem. The penalties are almost non-existent. Even when they recover them, they rarely even arrest the thieves, they just take the property back like it's no harm no foul.
I will voice my complaints, since no one else seems to have any. The cruise control is awkward and difficult. While I am thankful to have a rudimentary cruise control, let's not see past what it is, which is just that, a very rudimentary cruise control. The dedication one must have to hold the throttle precisely still for the amount of time it takes the G30 to register and activate cruise control, is maddening. If it is a bumpy road you may as well forget about having cruise control. I understand you put some buttons on the G2 for turn signals. These same buttons could go on the G30P/LP as cruise control +/- and SET buttons.
Segway Ninebot Max G30LP Purchase Link: geni.us/4LcB8B
chuck, i like your show alot, thank you! we purchased 4 nine bots max original and 2 show error 15, we are having problems clearing them, do you any suggestions
I just realized: the second they switch to 21700 cells instead of the current 18650 cells this might out range the original max
A year later, and the original is now cheaper on Amazon. Go figure.
I'm a big dog, so definitely the original Max for me. 😁
@Noartist it depends on the battery percentage.
I just got mine and I love it. Perfect scooter for the price. Everything about it I have no complaints. I got mine to 30km with just the firmware update. I drove max speed to and from work 5.5 miles, 11 mile round trip, and still had 2 bars and the other one blinking. So 2 and a half you can say. Great scooter and the tires are great. I had to replace mine on a hoover scooter and it completely went to shit after that. No tubes would fit and the ones that did, the stem was too long or curved. So having no replacement tubes is by far my favorite thing about it.
Blinking is that 5th at 5% or less
@@ubergreendowntown i dont understand the question or comment
@@mikejimenez6470 when one of the 5 bars is blinking each bar is 20% so that bar blinking means that 20% segment was down to 5% or less
Yeah I don't know how he got under 15 miles of range from that g30lp. I got mine to go about as advertised, 25 miles
Got two G30LP's from Costco and returned the larger Max...reasons...very simple....the max is heavier, doesn't fit in the trunk, handle bars are to high and overall ride quality is the same between these scooters. Also I like the charger to be separate from scooter because if adapter breaks it can easily be replaced. In the Max the charger has to be replaced from inside the scooter. Bottom line, anybody under 5'-8" can easily ride the G30LP. If taller then 5"-8" then Max is needed because larger deck.
Well said Mugurel! -Paul
Thank you for the super informative and professionally done video! I absolutely love my ninebot Max G 30 LP scooter. I'm a smaller person, 125 pounds, and I use the scooter to go to one of my jobs and to go to my parents' house as I am a caretaker. I have saved so much gas and had so much fun riding around on the scooter on the side streets and bike paths. So glad I purchased it!
Thanks so much! Enjoy your scooter!
How tall are u
They didn’t mention the main appeal of the new scooter. The reason some of its stats are worse is because the battery can make the scooter go full speed even when it is about to die, which means you could be going the full 19mph at 10% battery. As for the old version, it begins to lose top speed once the battery is below 70% battery. I had the opportunity to buy either one for the same price and I actually went with the new version because this trait is so valuable to me.
Insightful! Thanks for sharing.
Is the bottom the same size?
Isn’t there a eco mode?
With the 2nd gen G30P the motor is updated to the same as the G30LP so this advantage is negated.
@@dominodoggy1the new one costs $1300 so I think the g30lp still has merit
Just bought this scooter a week ago and I’m absolutely loving it for a beginner rider like I have no complaints whatsoever 😁
How did you change the speed limit from 20km?
I got the G30LP and I have absolutely no complaints. I'm 5'5" 180lbs dude so its fine for me. Did the firmware hack and man that thing takes off now! No issues!
How?
How
Hack? Talk2Me
How much range can you get out of it? 21km seams to little compared to claimed 40km.
I've had mine now for 6 months and I'm over 300 lb I use it for work and fun and put 300 miles on it and the thing is a beast , I attached a wagon to the back of the seat to use as a pull equipment to and from the field when I'm working, everybody is always jealous saying that's the way to go . On my channel on my i
do reviews on this particular shooter . I love it so much .
Awesome! Enjoy
I have both the Ninebot max and the G30LP. I like both. When I go on short trips I take the G30LP. Heavier trips I take my Ninebot. Both are well made.
Why? Make a video comparison 😂
Can you tell me what the main diftence is thr power the same
And is g30le enough for me i am 181 cm tall
G30LP is a little smaller and has a range of 25 miles on a full charge. The Ninebot Max has a range of 40 miles on a full charge. They both can reach 19 MPH.
@@michaelchin3550 is g30le enough height of bar for me? I am 181 cm tall. Thank you. So you get the same onlu smaller battery
Just dipping my toe in the scooter market.. actually bought it for using on the golf course. This was a perfect video to teach me about the features of the G30 LP. PS I'm 6'8 240lb and it fits me pretty good!
Awesome! Enjoy your scooter & stay safe.
For me, the excellent range is the main forte of Ninebot Max. So, this doesn't impress me much.
Great review ESG! I am 59 years young, 5' 7", 175 pounds.
I like the specs for my first scooter purchase (getting it next week).
I will be taking it to some camp grounds that have small hills. Can't wait!
I bought the original yesterday. I never ridden a scooter before. I hope I don't die.
Yeah I’ve had it for almost half a year and it’s my first scooter I think it’s pretty good but the longer you ride something You’ll start to think you wanna go a little faster the range is good but sometimes you wish you can go a little faster and the price range plays a part
good thinking :)
I got the Ninebot Max G30LP for $520 on BF Amazon flash sale, so I am not complaining. Beside I am a “regular” size guy, who fit this lighter escooter.
Hey Keith - I just got it too on Amazon for $599.99 but haven’t unboxed yet. Have you taken it out for a spin? I’m 5’10 about 205 rockin size 11 sneakers. Wondering if the deck n where your arms are for the bars seem comfy to you. Thanks bud.
@@playboy2323 I have it for a little over a month now. So far I put 129 mi on it. It feels quite comfortable, except the lid of the charge socket. It is difficult to put on correctly and easy to get loose. The loose off of the lid doesn’t feel like affecting the performance of the escooter though.
Damn, you got a good price huh. Now it is around 699 dollars less 20 dollars coupon. Anyway how is it for a regular commute? Any issues suspension wise? I don't want to go for cheaper models like Xiaomi 365 or GoTrax 4 and be worried about build/quality issues.
@@jaybariya9 It is pretty good for regular commute. The lack of suspension does not feel too much when I ride on the road.
I’m so jealous of that price tag! any idea how the sale happened or why? How’d you catch It? Just a fluke?
My vehicle transmission actually went out and after 6 months of using uber decided to invest an e scooter for my 2 miles commute to work. I was actually tried finding a video review on the ninebot 30 series but mostly on the original g30 not much on the lp. Only readable reviews this actually is spot on except from the charging door having issues with door or lid braking. I went ahead and went with the original g30 with the max since It was delivered earlier of the versions. Being almost 50 years old thing 5'6" 145 lbs it basically no frills and jump on and go. Only thing i need to do pay attenion to surrounding. New to the hobby and looking forward to more upcoming in depth reviews from the esg crew thanks.
Just ordered it. Very very excited about it as it’s my first escooter
Hope you enjoy it!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank You so much!!🫡😀🎊
I'm going to buy this on the 30th. This will be my first scooter. I hope this one is good. ☝️
Yea it’s really good for a first time scooter I highly recommend it 👍
Nice vid and thanks for the comparison updates. To suit my size and travel distance needs I would go for the original Ninebot Max. However my real reason for thinking of buying one is not one that I find online to have been considered....I could be wrong....but anyways...... I have a HIace Hitop Campervan and intend travelling extensively. As a Senior Citizen, for me to have another means of transport to use either to go get help in case of vehicle breakdown or medical emergency or if I need to go pick up supplies and shopping are all for me highly important considerations.
That means I need to seriously look at how I am going to port the thing in my Campervan. My van is being serviced right now so I am only guessing when I say that the Ninebot might fit under the bed at the rear. That will deprive me of quite some of the space I normally use for plastic food storage bins. But.....this is all about consideration of PRIORITIES , CONVENIENCE along with PROTECTION OF PERSONAL MOBILITY... so I am staying focused on that. One thing that occurs to me is that it would greatly simplify storage of a Ninebot if the handle could be rotated to be in line with the body when it is folded up. It could then be stored lying either vertically or flat within a limited space such as a car boot, or attached to the back of a vehicle somehow. Bicycle holders which attach to the vehicle towball have been around for years...I will have to check if there is such an option for E-scooters, and one that ensures they are rendered thief proof to a reasonable degree. So for me, the considerations are not so much about having FUN......but things much more important. The FUN to be had will for me be more that of PERSONAL SATISFACTION that I have covered the important bases I set out to. I am sure I will have FUN riding one. I still get that even riding my bike at age 76 !
i have been a e scooter nerd since i got my first one ninebot es1 and now i have 3 es1 max 30 and now waiting for the new order cant wait, may all time fav is this one i love everyhing about it
Thanks
same here started with es1 one i hacked it and make it my hobby scooter then i bought this and i love this so much
I'm pretty happy with the new Model.I'm 5ft 5 in so it suits me just fine. Thank you for the review
How long have you owned it? Amazon is littered with complaints that it’s plagued with error codes?
@@KevinModz65 I just bought it but it took awhile to connect to an iPhone and I think the app isn't all its cracked up to be.....but the scooter works just fine - for now! have a good one ✌️
@@CathyAJAeria have fun riding it. I am trying to decide between this one or the original. I am 5.5 tall.
@@marinct3176 Hi Marin, I think you may find this new model does the trick- does for me! I love it, good to go right out of the box. happy shopping! ride safe....
Just bought this in Costco. I really love it. I'm only 5'6 so it's perfect in my height. I use it everyday to work. It's only drawback is the range. Your work distance should not be more than 15 kilometers away from your house in order to ride this scooter back and forth without charging. If your work is 20km away then get the Max. Even though it says max range of 40km this scooter will probably get you to max range of 38. Roads aren't level all the time and weather condition can also affect the range.
Great review guys! You said it best Chuck. If the original Max did not exist, then this newer version would be a contender amongst the crowd. I will defend the original Ninebot Max to the very end. Segway needs to go back to the drawing board in a locked room and stay there until they come up with something more impressive 🛴💨😃
I think you said it better than I said it lol. Maybe if they had given more options to increase/decrease the motor power then riders could tweak their own power/range to make it optimum for them.
Solid review Chuck. Really liked the B roll for the intro, keep em coming!
I have the original max. I am buying a second one because I love it so much. When I saw the new version come out I loved your video because it really explain the differences I am 6'2" tall and really have issues with scooters I do not fit my frame. Yeah man I think ninebot builds an incredible product I think the difference between the two scooters really comes down to size my personal recommendation is to spend the extra hundred dollars and get the original Max it is in such a solid machine I love it
The Ninebot max is one of the best ever scooters for everyday use so dem reliable who cares about speed
I care about speed
@@Eaisshit12 Good for you
@@myklmenzie good for your mom
@@Eaisshit12 so buy the 48 volt upgrade and go faster.
Then get a ticket and lose your scooter lol
Dont know why they come up with a new Max if the other one was so hard to improve on, would have been best they had the old one until they managed to break the mold again in some more years, like adding suspension or increasing range or acceleration. Just making it smaller, removing the integrated charger and reducing range does not make any sense, instead makes it a downgrade and more in line with the xiaomi.
@Dario Ramirez ~ I absolutely agree with everything you said! This new scooter is a downgrade 👎🏽
Motor is brushless , much better
@@JCKloppers wasn’t it already?
@@Darmixo nope 👎 look on the motor (rear wheel) , if the serial number starts with a 6 it’s the old motor (not brushless ) if it starts with 9 it’s a brushless motor
@@JCKloppers Sorry, that's simply not correct. ALL modern-day eScooters employ Brushless DC Motors -all of them!
The difference between the Serial 6x motors & the Serial 9x ones is mainly to do with the number of turns of wire that is used for the electromagnet for each motor segment -thereby giving each motor type a slightly different performance characteristic. -And the 'gauge' of the wire [thickness] is different too.
I understand that the Serial 6x motors have greater driving power (torque) for going up steep inclines, but have slightly slower top speeds. While the 9x motors have higher top speeds but have slightly less torque available for going up steep inclines.
But then, most people seem to judge how fast a scooter can go on the flat -and forget to consider how well a scooter can handle steep inclines. But this latter aspect is pretty important for people who live in hilly cities though.
Cheers
Is the G30LP different from the G30LE please?
I just got this at Costco on sale for a good discount. I'm pretty happy with it so far and I like that it's a bit smaller and lighter than the previous model. I'm not needing to go like 45 miles on an escooter anyways.
I try to think of it as a good round trip distance.
I might not want to go 45 miles away on it but if I might go half that distance then at least it should get me back home.
Anyway, mine doesn’t tha be that range anyway, being the newer model, but it’s worth considering that approach.
How much was it?
I prefer the original ninebot max g30 for its bigger body and longer range
Really enjoyed the review
Glad you enjoyed it. Is there any scooter or type of content you'd like to see next?
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I live in the UK...the world's most unfriendly country for e-scooters. I've an electric bike currently but one day when the UK see's the light I'll get a scooter.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Unagi One please.
Favorite scooter review channel
Thank you!
I’m 350 plus and I ride my max no problems and it hits 20 mph only down side It don’t get the mileage it should I get about 8-10 miles full throttle
Just got this one on Amazon's Prime Day deal for a phenomenal price of under $500! Glad to have this as my very first e-scooter!
Good choice!
How'd you like it so far?! I just ordered mine too for 490+tax on Oct's Prime day sale!
@@satwikk9896I coincidentally bought it on Amazon Prime Day of July 11th this year and it was exactly the same price as you described!
It is simply amazing and I already have 700+ miles on it!
It helped me get on time at my 2 hour, multi-modal commute home and to work with barely any battery remaining every time I come home.
I'm looking to upgrade to an F2 Pro this Christmas to make sure the speed does not dip to 17mph when you drop below 60% battery on the G30LP.
@@satwikk9896It was amazing and reliable. I now upgraded to a Ninebot F2 Pro which is faster, more powerful and sleeker in ride quality with roughly the same range but requires more maintenance.
@@chaxologist2024f2 pro doesn't even have a battery it does but that battery is so small that you'll have to be kicking it most of the time to get it up to 20
I think I would prefer G30LP but it's still far from perfect, I fear that it would be near impossible for me to carry around. I was hoping this version would cut down the weight much more.
Where do you need to carry it with you though? :O
@@Sc0pee Down the stairs lol
@@Sofia-xz4es I guess you can only find out by testing it beforehand! But if you buy it, you could ride it to the gym and build your arm muscles! 😜
Yeah carrying it down stairs is not easy. But I still like mine.
Same. As a woman searching, it's elusive. It's so much wear and tear hauling 40 lbs around for us, not so much for my male friends.
Thanks a million! Honestly! You guys totally and utterly ROCK! I have recently become interested in buying an electric scooter, and I super appreciate all the reviews and the detailed information you guys include on your videos etc. By the way in my opinion the videos you guys make are the best and the most professional looking and sounding, and the most informative.
You guys are seriously amazing!!! A huge well done to you all! THANK YOU!
😃🙏💖😃🙏💖
Wow! Thank you so much! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide
It's more than well deserved!
🙂🙏💕
I am 6' 230 lb, so i prefer the original Max !
Excellent review looks like I'll be keeping my bigger G30
In shoes I’m over 6ft and I wear size 12’s. One of my feet is more than half the deck size. This is too small for me. I just ordered the Xiaomi Essential to get me started then I’ll upgrade to a Ninebot when I’m ready for more speed and range.
I think that is a smart choice.
I got one at costco for 850 cad. I was considering the max but everywhere else sells it for 1200 cad( used ones sell for 950-1000 ) best buy had them for sale for 1100 at one point but they all ways sell out. I feel like i already got a good deal and i get around 30km on it . Gets me from home to work and back no problem and ive been using it for 7 months . I saved a couple hundred dollars not paying for parking and auto insurance. So if you live in the city i would recommend getting one ( get the max though, I feel like the extra miles on it will help) I dont k ow where people are getting them for a "$100" than the glp but if you can get them on sale then go for it
Prices have really changed recently. We were just talking yesterday about how the G30 prices have gone up. -Paul
Could we have a video about how to MOST EASILY go about FITTING REPLACEMENT tyres both front and back please ?
Best video about this scooter on UA-cam
Thanks so much for the kind words! We are glad you are enjoying our channel.
Great video,Thks
Glad you enjoyed it! -Vosk
I would have to say that Segway agree’s with your final thoughts on the two Scooters as they still charge more for the original.
Yes all prices have risen recently! -Vosk
I also prefer the increase in mileage ....... 40 is quite a help when going the distance.
The original one has a longer range
I can see why they shortened the deck. Still though. For me, the range is everything. The OG Max would still be my pick but then why spend the 800 when I can spend 300 more for the Zero 8 Pro w/ 21ah battery & seat?
You can upgrade the og nine box max to the same level of speed and power.
@@NotCharAznable you can upgrade the lp to have the same range as the p
I scored the G30LP, helmet and phone mount for $515 from Segway’s site. For the 500 price tag, it was a no brainer.
Awesome! Great deal for sure. -Vosk
Just bought one yesterday on amazon for 537 my first ever cant wait
Thanks for the reveiw i really enjoyed it! I will bye one now thx!!
You can buy battery upgrades and suspension kits for the max, and lp.
Yes! Nordbot has some good stuff for this! Have you done any upgrades yet? -Paul
I just got a refurbished G30LP and it has 25 miles of range. Did they update the battery to provide the extra range since this review?
We have not!
Just bought one. But what's the best lock?
Every product review should have a Big Dawg approved section.
It’s pretty good, but I weigh 172 lbs and carry around 20-30 pounds on me so I’m not surprised when it inches up hills. If I was 20 pounds lighter im sure it would do better
Very informative video. Well done.
Thank you so much! -Paul
how long does the battery lasts? i mean, how many times you can charge it? is it possible to change a battery later after some years for a fresh one?
The original is the best I love it. Is powerful
Bought the G30LP based on this review and for $450 I'm extremely pleased.
Did you get it on Amazon?
@@Crylilbro6473 yup
This thing is brilliant! I opted to return my E22 and buy a refurbished G30LP. This thing is so much faster and built like a TANK.
Surprisingly, the lighter E22 doesn't fit in my car trunk, but the G30LP barely does because of it's reduced folded length.
Right on! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
I’m 68yrs old and the orig max sounds great. Are there shopping baskets that can fit onto these like we did on scooters years ago ?
People should see Segway Ninebot as Lexus to Toyota in regards to Xiaomi, same tech made with more precision
Omg I thought exactly the same thing
Thank you for the review.
Just got an F30 for my teenage son, and wondering now if it was the best option.
He likes to ride for a few hours at times, and the F30 has an 18 mile range, and no way to hook up am external battery.
Are either of these Max scooters able to use an external battery, and which would you say would be better to just cruise on daily ? He's 150 lbs and growing currently. He wants to ride longer, and also add LED lights to it.
The F30 does seem like a solid scooter, so iffy on switching it. Just a little bummed it's very limited to what it is. Battery lasted him about 40 minutes, 10-15 miles while using it in all 3 modes trying it out.
Awesome! Enjoy your new scooter. -Vosk
Designed by Playskool
Great review
Thank you!
Is there a way to activate the G30LP without a phone? My phone is busted and I turned the scooter on and it just keeps beeping. Thanks.
Nope
Im getting this for my nephew, hes 11. I think its perfect
Awesome! Hope he enjoys it. -Vosk
Whoever thought having brakes up front would cause an OTB have never done an emergency stop on a bicycle
I got mine today. I’m screaming I’m a gramma
Step up to an e-bike. It’s safer and you can pedal assist. Those tiny wheels are fun until you hit a reasonable pothole. Bigger wheels = more safe.
That's why you don't drive like an asshole and have plenty of lights for night time and pay close attention when you're driving in the daytime. I have been writing electric scooters for over 5 years and never hit a pothole or got into an accident ebikes are a waste of money for what you get
How can you not mention the motor 😂
Hello, i'm trying to figure out if i should by LP or not, but one thing worries me is slow acceleration. Is it possible to change by custom firmware? I mean, is it possible to configure to accelerate faster? Like, to have more fast start?
It’s a good scooter but many newer scooters have been released
what is that thing by the left of the trottle on the right handle bar? cant seem to figure out what it does and how to use it. Thanks
It might be when you fold the scooter it’s the mechanism that clasps the ring. Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
Do you have any idee if the folding mechanism is better on the LP?
I'm happy with the g30 I'm not sure what lp means maybe light power, yeah distance is key to transport from electric powered vehicles I recommend pay extra for better as you get what ya pay for .
Thanks for the feedback
Is there a way to increase the speed going up hills?
my brake broke. Can u show me how to fix? or just show how the brake looks so i can try putting in place
Please contact Segway for a new part
I wanted to know what charger do you get if yours breaks for the LP
What about max G30 v2 at 800€ vs G30LE (like LP but 25km/h max) at 500€? Does it make sense to pay 300 more?
If you don’t need the extra range then you should be fine with the cheaper model! -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Ordered LP :)
Xiaomi Pro 4 or Max LP? Which should I buy? Thks
We would go with the MAX!
Is the 20 km per hour too slow? What do you guys think about the speed? Can it be sped up?
It’s decent for strolling but you will want to go faster later down the line
-Vosk
How can I increase the speed?
The issue is laws. Many places consider anything that goes 20km or faster as a motorcycle class vehicle, so you need a motorcycle license and insurance to ride something that fast in most places. All these scooters can do more than 20, they're just artificially limited so they don't fall into that category. But to be honest, +20mph is simply a dangerous speed to ride at when you're just standing on little more than a small moving platform on 2 wheels. Even 15mph is dangerous for crashes. Even 10mph can break bones. So really, these speed issues won't change much. If you want to go faster, that's what mopeds and motorcycles are for.
Built in fast charger is definitely another benefit of the original. You lose a lot for just a hundred bucks saving. Seriously, if you want something smaller and lighter, just go for a m365 pro
Is it just $100 though? I just purchased the newer generation for $899 and it looks like the original is $1159 on Amazon.
I still feel like I made a mistake though and should have got the original :(
I'm hoping next month in The U.K. using scooters like this will be legal and then this is the one I might buy.
Let’s hope
what’s a good scooter for speed and convenience
ETWOW geni.us/74l8?track=web is hard to beat for both of those things. The ride isn't the smoothest, because of the solid tires. But it's light, compact and fast. -Paul
thanks for the idea i’m also looking at price too, i live in canada so things are more expensive up here
So it’s a great scooter but I have heard drum breaks are not good in cold or below freezing temps, meaning I really can’t trust it during winter
Not the best during winter! -Vosk
Are the tires pre-slimed?
Yes!
This is helpful as I am 6ft tall. I am looking for my 1st scooter. I am a cyclist and surprised handlebar or stem height is fixed on scooters not adjustable. Anyway the Max (taller one) is looking like the best choice for me.
They are very similar in height! Max a but taller
Any suggestions on how to get the E15 error warning fixed on the G30 max
Factory reset
Torn between this and the new E45. Anyone have any thoughts to help me decide (outside of the obvious specs)?
I'd go with the E45. The E45 is the evolution of the original Ninebot ES series. They improved everything. Dual density tires, front/rear brakes, front spring suspension makes a return. I owned the ES1. All of these upgrades plus the good parts of the ES should make it a top quality scooter. I only wish the E45 was available in the American market.
Is it light or heavy?
I bought the same ninebot g30lp but the speed is 20km/h. Please is there a way to increase the speed
The limiter is most likely activated in your country!
i’m 6’2 200 pounds, trying to decide which Ninebot is best for me
I have a Xiaomi Pro that serves me well, I put a modified fw that reaches 33km/h, would it be better or not worth the change?
Not much of a upgrade
Can you jump it off a curb or wheelie it without breaking something on the scooter?
Yes. These are built to take a beating. As with any scooter, jump enough curbs hard enough and you'll eventually break something, but this scooter is about as strong as scooters get, since it was designed for the sharing market.
I'm a small person HST 5-0 so I went with the lp 30
Totally makes sense. Do you know what sort of range you get out of a full charge? Probably more than I got! -Paul
Will it fit in a 2021 Mazda MX five Miata truck ?
You guys are insane. The previous Ninebot scooters have the absolute WORST build quality and DOA rate. My ES3 Plus from Costco made the snap sound when unfolding exactly ONCE and never again. I noticed extreme tire wear within days and the front tire tread was almost gone within one month. It also developed stem wobble, a loose external battery rail, and Error 42.
Their customer support literally told me to wait for a response and then closed the case, forcing me to deal with Error 42 myself. I found a charred connection with the main battery so I cleaned it, tightened up the battery rail, tightened every other screw I could access, tightened the hard to access suspension nut to reduce stem wobble and got another two weeks before getting Error 42 again.
Cleaning it again and adding dielectric grease got me going for another month and a half before Error 42, which was longer than ever, so I repeated the process for another month and a half. The stem wobble had also returned but tightening everything accessible to me was not getting rid of it. Soon I had the front wheel go almost 180° from the handlebars while I was going full speed, throwing me to the ground and sending me sliding. Thankfully I was wearing a helmet but my jeans were torn wide open leaving a horribly bloodied knee and even my lips and chin were scraped and bloodied from sliding on the sidewalk. Sure enough, screws I could not access to tighten and maintain had backed out underneath the warranty sticker.
When it developed Error 42 again I stopped riding it and returned it to Costco. The ES3 Plus really is an ES4 so I took another chance on an ES4 from a salvage store. It still had all the twist ties and smudge/scratch film and had never been paired with a phone so I knew it was never used. Even so, I got Error 21 the first time I tried to use it. This seems to be similar to Error 42 except for the internal battery. Bouncing the scooter would sometimes clear the error but it always came back, even while charging. I’m taking it back as soon as I can get to the store with it, which is difficult without a car (mine was crushed by a tornado, hence the need for a scooter). This one still makes the click when I unfold it which tells me that there really was something wrong with the original even though I couldn’t get Segway support to acknowledge it.
My roommate picked up an ES4 at the same time as me so we will see how long his lasts. His had been previously paired but so far it has no functional issues. I did notice that rubber pieces were peeling off after the first day.
It’s clear to me that Ninebot uses a different MFG partner for the Max which is why I’m looking at this video. You can tell by the latching mech and the display. The new Anyhill UM-2 seems to be from the people who make the original ES series Ninebots.
We like the Segway max! Most people never had any issues
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Yes, but your comment about the brand’s reliability and history for out of box experience/DOA was obviously based on their previous models. Their previous models were predominantly the problematic ES-series, which are notorious for being DOA along with many other issues (burned fuse/resistor, error 42, error 21, stem wobble, etc). They have an absolutely abysmal track record before the Max. :(
Just got this but returning it for the big one. I’m small, but the board is too small for me for long rides.
I bought an original Ninebot Max last year, and it got stolen this year. Two months later, I bought another one, and three months later, it also got stolen. Both times, they were locked, with the difference that the first time, the lock was not completely tight. The second time, it was, though. The first time, the thieves left the lock behind. The second time, they took the lock. I just bought the Max G30LP, but this time, I do not even need a lock because I am not leaving it outside anymore. 😂😂😂
That is horrible! Very sad to hear that. Unfortunately burglary is a big issue.
All locks, even the most expensive ones, can be defeated in under 30 seconds, whether they're picking it or cutting the lock. What cities really need to do is have lockers outside every major store that can fit folded scooters and you get a monthly subscription that allows you to use a locker anywhere at any time they are available, that can only be unlocked electronically by you. So if a locker is vacant, it gets cleared, then you activate it to use, where then no other person can access it until you clear the locker's reservation, with say 12 hours before the locker releases on its own automatically so that a person can't abuse it to tie up a locker permanently. Then when you are ready to retrieve it, you just use a personal keycard or something like that, which then automatically opens the lock and clears access for the next person to come by and use it. Have each lock setup come with a monitoring camera, along with break in alarms that automatically alert the police in case someone tries to cut into the lockers.
I think people would be willing to pay $20/mo for a service like that, and yeah it's be costly to initially setup, but it's the only way we're ever going to truly have any kind of security. They also need to update the laws, treating scooter theft no different than grand theft auto, making it a felony with a $25,000 fine and 1 year mandatory prison sentence. That's a big part of the problem. The penalties are almost non-existent. Even when they recover them, they rarely even arrest the thieves, they just take the property back like it's no harm no foul.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Bought 3 from Costco for $850 cad (each)... No brainer !
Can you roll it once its folded rather than carry it??
Not really.
I will voice my complaints, since no one else seems to have any. The cruise control is awkward and difficult. While I am thankful to have a rudimentary cruise control, let's not see past what it is, which is just that, a very rudimentary cruise control. The dedication one must have to hold the throttle precisely still for the amount of time it takes the G30 to register and activate cruise control, is maddening. If it is a bumpy road you may as well forget about having cruise control. I understand you put some buttons on the G2 for turn signals. These same buttons could go on the G30P/LP as cruise control +/- and SET buttons.
Thanks for the insights!