The 2022 Toyota RAV4 Prime Could Be A Great Off-Road Crossover But...
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2022
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In this video we hit the trail in the new 2022 Toyota RAV4 Prime and nearly get SUPER stuck!
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Considering it's not designed at all to go off-road and is on crap all-season tires, it did better than I expected.
It is designed to. Has a trail mode button.
The purpose of all season tires in winter is to just keep your car high enough above the ground so you can sweep the snow out from under.
The accidental "performance" tires on my first Toyota were so poor, they couldn't get up up a 3° slope with one inch of snow with a tarmac parking lot. I don't think Toyota gives much thought to snow.
Agreed, John
Absolutely would not go on that trail on summer tires, haha
I see too many comments of people that don’t know anything about vehicles and what Toyota did here.
Toyota gave us a compact SUV that is the 3rd fastest vehicle on their fleet, with almost 40mpgs combined and capable of going 42 miles without using a drop of fuel.
What other vehicle out there exists that does this and starts at $40k?
@BL Dontmatter greatest Toyota ever made
@BL Dontmatter CORRECT
I love it
That’s a smart thing Toyota did with these . Even if it’s not very off road capable, it’s more than most people need. The smartest thing is a real gas motor with the electric too!
For a normal SUV, it is actually quite capable. The main issue here was the tyres. Those Avid GT's are garbage.
If he had A/T or snow tires, he wouldn't have much of an issue whatsoever. My Rav does great in snow and deep mud clay roads.
One of these used with low miles recently sold for $60,000+ somewhere in the US. The economy is insane. Can’t wait for these bubbles (car loans, mortgages, student loans, business loans, commercial real estate) to burst. It’ll be hard when they do, but that has to happen for prices to stabilize
As a rav4 prime owner, this was a bunch of fun to watch! Never knew it could do that! Thanks for the video!
The thing is fast as hell btw…. For a rav4
And if you stick a better tire on it, it will do a lot better.
Those Yokos are so bad as winter tire that they are sold as summer tires outside the US lol.
Just run Blizzak DMV2's year round and You will soon forget all about these useless Summer tires.........That is all I have run since their introduction...........Paul
Yes, it’s a great Off-Road Suv . We love it!
Good review.
Great camerawork !
Nice video Tommy. Great job. Thank you.
90% tire 10% vehicle
Facts.
I’d say more like 60/40. Great tyres on a rubbish vehicle assist greatly but not more than much over half the ability.
@@jerrymyahzcat No so. Those tyres are so bad as all-season tyres that they are actually officially sold as summer tyres in Europe. And as normal road tyres they are garbage too.
@@AB-80X what?? I just said great tyres can assist considerably. But even the best tyres won’t help 90%! I never said anything about these or any specific tyres. The ones you are referring to may well be rubbish - I’m not disagreeing.
Slap some Michelin CrossClimate 2s on that bad boy and it’ll be a breeze 6:53
Give it a TRD Off Road package and some Falken AT’s and this thing would surely be a different beast.
Exactly. Especially tires. I couldn't watch this with audio but when I saw the wheels slipping and not gripping I said... AWD and those kinds of problems? Looks like a tire issue to me.
I live near these guys, winter tires are key here if you want to venture anywhere near the mountains...
It ok because this shows me how potent one with Michelin x ice tires could be...
I had one of the first RAVs this has morphed out of all recognition…Not got the chunky Jeep like setup but a nice car with reasonable off-road capability but 99% will never go off tarmac😁
Usually saying “figure it out Toyota” works to get you out of a stuck situation 😛
you guys should buy one of these and put some off roads on there, make a series out of it
+1 That would be amazing
I am selling my 2000 RAV4, now that i have recently bought a used 2021 Prime. I think 2000 was the last year the 4's had the button that locked in ALL 4 WHEELS! NOT for driving, only to be used when you got stuck, and man did it work great, saved my ass several times!
Nice review of the Toyota. I really liked the Tommy Nose Cam shots through the steering wheel.
This is absolutely the small SUV I would purchase with the hybrid system, which is where I believe we will be heading in the future more. All electric just doesn’t work and as we have seen by a ship in the Atlantic Ocean, they are very unpredictable and will catch fire. Down goes a ship, but the news media stopped talking about it. Hmmm?
Did the ship in Atlantic sink because of electric cars inside them.
@@rammanohar8161 yes
@@scottboyd8892 why is the media not talking about it, the hazards of electric cars.
When people keep these cars inside their garage, it could burn down the house as well.
@@rammanohar8161 Media doesn't cover it because it doesn't happen any more often than gas cars. The data available now shows electric vehicles catch on fire less often than gas cars when in a crash...
wow thats really good, great video
great video Tommi, Rav 4's have always been decent in the snow and ice, the Prime really showed its capability on the trail full of ice/snow, tires were its achilles heel and a set of Michelins or Bridgestones dedicated snow tires the results would have been night and day different, awesome job testing it out, my brother in law has an older Rav 4 V6 that has the optional rear locker, although it only works up to 25 mph or maybe a little less, i was surprised how good it did this past winter and he does run a set of Bridgestone Blizzaks and he never even came close to getting stuck and this winter was our 2nd highest snowfall recorded in Winnipeg since 1881 and it has just started to melt nice this week, awesome video 👍
Rear locker in a Rav4? The 2006-2012 Rav4 v6's anyway never had a locker option, there was a "diff lock" button but all that did was force the awd system into 50/50 power split.
Nice! Why do I watch these when my off-road is missing my driveway? I hope Subaru sees it and decides to provide you an early Solterra to test :)
Solterra.??......No ground clearance...city summer tires.............Paul
i did buy rav4 prime 2020 and put 17 inch wheel and 255/65/17 tyres ! its perfect , its more fun its better looking its softer its more capable , its fun on the gravel ,
Nice to know I can take my Rav4 Prime on snowy trails. I did buy a set of Falken Wildpeak take offs from a Rav4 Adventure. Not much different than the SE's Dunlops but the sidewalls look beefier.
You must have watched a different video. The lowly Jeep Renegade outperforms this in the snow. I only see grannies driving Rav4s here in the mountains, because they don’t know any better.
@@krasnaludek298 Nope I watched this video and it shows the Rav4 Prime even ill equipped to drive in the snow can do it. You should watch it. Imagine if it had proper wheels and tires it'll blow the lowly Jeep Renegade away without burning any gas I might add.
@@hadesomegamoto7639 correct
I did the same. The falkens will make a big difference
Les pneus d'hiver, c'est conçu pour une bonne raison: froid, neige et glace.
Faire un test en hiver avec des pneus "4 saisons" ou "tout terrain" est une erreur méthodologique.
C'est comme envoyer Reinhold Messner ou Kilian Jornet faire l'Everest avec des Nike Air Jordan ou des sandales Five Fingers.
Autrement, très cute le test.
I take my 2013 Outlander PHEV offroading stock standard, yet to get totally stuck This Rav Prime, a good run for my money though
Please do a comparison of outlander phev to this prime. Very curious how they compare. Great review
I like the Rav4 Prime a lot. The only thing that "bugs" me is the brake lights. Why are they so tiny? They look like just a single dot. Other then that, it did pretty well for the tires put on it.
Sleek design
@@DUNGSTA The single dot is sleep? I don't see how... There's a lot of other tail lights that look sleeker.
@@atmartens there really isnt
Mazda is doing the same
The big thing that bugs me is all of Toyota's dealers price gouging them and a Rav4 Prime for MSRP is a fairy-tale.
Needs a set of Falkin Wildpeak Trail tires. I have them on my volvo xc70 and they are pretty much an AT tire for a small suv/wagon/car
I like how it is a $46,000 vehicle, but it is selling for $80,000 and beyond here in Canada (some selling for over $110,000 each).
I really like the Rav4 Prime. The price point is why I'm considering it more and more. I would hate to get rid of my 2018 GMC Sierra, but with no relief at the pumps.... I might order one.
I also considered the Volvo XC60 Recharge... but 65k... I couldn't do it.
We'll see what happens..
Look at it this way. Do you actually NEED a big pickup, or is it just for show and fun? The Prime and equal Lexus are absolutely brilliant cars.
It has some impressive features: over 600 miles range with both electric and gas, the off road capability is impressive for a RAV4 but at 50k I would buy a 4RUNNER
50 grand buy a Lexus or Genesis
@@walterwhite751 4 runner is better in snow and offroad you just go anywhere and not think about it. Especially in snow storms.
@@walterwhite751 yeah, last decade you could.
keep in mind that rav4 prime will sip gas compare to a 4runner that could cost you about 7500$ in gas over a year and that prime maybe 3500$
@@dsa420meh7 True that's one more for the RAV4
Every time he says, "Come on, Toyota. Figure it out," take a drink!
need to see more content with the Prime off road with better tires and a lift!
@TFLoffroad so do you think a LP AVENTURE LIFT KIT - 2019-2022 RAV4 upgrade with good tires would be a good upgrade
Love Toyotas
Ma boi Tommy looking handsome AF without glasses!
Save some ladies for the rest of us
Compare the rav4 TRD offroad and the bronco sport.
I was looking at the xse, or trd off road the prime possible. But the trd off-road is more appealing because I want to do some camping and off-roading nothing crazy. I’m also looking at a Cherokee trailhawk
You could also just stick a lift kit on the Prime, and a set of 245/60R19 boots on it. Out into the wild you go.
Can you try the toyota fortuner vs deep snow
I’d like to see a comparison between the RAV4 Prime and the Hyundai Tucson and the KIA Sportage PHEV.
They can't compete with it. We have a Rav4 Prime as the "beater" and we had both of the others on loan to test for a weekend. Not even remotely close, and the range of the Prime is impressive to boot.
Put some WR g4 tires on it or at least the milstar 365aw tire then you'll see the AWD system do some real work. You don't go trail running in bowling shoes. Tires matter.
that rear electric motor makes all the difference
Can you guys test a Sequoia TRD Pro pretty, please?
Man I really like this RAV4 prime, but debating whether to get the Jeep Wrangler 4xe instead!
juan castle...... I wound go with the JEEP 4XE
They've had that hook for towing in the back a long time.
The older onees are lager in the cargo area. They were actually very large compared to most SUVs. They were 4ft wide thru the back door and the back door opening was higher vertically than most. I hauled a lot 8 ft wood from Menards with mine. The older ones were slow however. Just barely fast enough. Took one of mine 400,000 mi, had no rust and was runnimng strong when I traded it. Didn't burn oil either. Just change that Transmission oil. They say they're lifetime but that's not true.
Not really. This is larger in every way. Have had them all since the 4.2, which by the way is TINY by comparison.
from my observation, the rear motor seems to de activate under full throttle, as well as the torque vectoring from side to side. leave it in normal mode and apply little throttle .
I maybe wrong but I thought I remember hearing that above a certain speed it does cut power on the rear motor. So excessive wheelspin on the front axle may cause the rear to simply deactivate.
@@ALMX5DP If that's the case, it would be a very poorly designed AWD system. When the front wheels start to spin is precisely when you'd want the rear wheels to kick in. Is that really how it works?
I've owned three 4x4 ravs I bought new. They all did very well in the deep snow. Up to 8 " as you're finding out. They did well off road too but I never got on a anything serious. I didn't buy the options for that abuse. '
You should try loading with people or heavy equipment to see if its still able to do those snow
Test this Off-Road test at those locations also on 2022 Hyundai Kona AWD Plug-In Hybrid or Hyundai Tucson AWD Plug-In Hybrid models?. Please. 😉
Hey Tommy, I would like to see you put this vehicle on the rollers and compare it to the RAV4 hybrid.
You mean on a dyno? It will absolutely destroy the regular hybrid.
@@AB-80X no, I meant on their slip test.
I think the only reason they don't build a RAV4 Prime TRD Adventure is because they're selling as many RAV4 Primes as they can build as it is.
My girlfriend has the new rav hybrid. The tires that come on oem are absolute crap. The tires on my new ram 2500 are absolute crap and the tires on my brand new f150 work truck are also absolute crap. Yes 3 2022 vehicles in my driveway and they all have the crappiest tires you can get.
Falken Wildpeak AT's would be good on that thing. What is the towing capacity?
DMV2,s better yet...........Paul
Yeah but does Nathan fit in the back?? But seriously great video as always TFL.
Huge backseat area.
I would love to see this directly compete with The bronco sport off-road package I believe the bronco sport has a little bit better off road programming for its traction control it would be an awesome competition
you can get a bronco, not so much a rav4 prime...
@@underscr0e dealer mark ups
@@underscr0e 🤣🤣🤣 Sure, the wait for a Bronco is 6-9 months. Bronco Sports are on dealer lots for an average of 4.5 days … both Broncos are selling as fast as they can be built. The Rav4 is a Camry with AWD; nowhere near as capable as the Fords. I have a Corolla for commuting, so I’m not hating on Toyota, but Ford makes better trucks & SUVs.
@@krasnaludek298 but Toyota will always outlast fords!
@@ryanm3070 built Ford tough.
Very impressive for a car fitted with eco road tyres.
Those are not even eco road tyres. Those are just drab and dreary Avid GT's that does nothing right. They are so bad as normal all-season tyres that they are actually sold as summer tyres outside of the US.
@@AB-80X they do a perfectly good job in summer and in the snow in the hilly area of the UK I live in.
Would be nice to see how it handles traction with the gas engine on. Can it send more power to the rear wheels when on in trail mode?
The gas engine powers the front wheels. the rear is electric motors.
Never, never, in my nearly 60 years on this planet, have I seen 2 inches of snow instill so much fear and panic on someone’s face.
Please so Venza next
Nice car but hard to get one.
Ordered one in Jan, might have to wait for two years for the delivery lol...
Can you get the same performance and instant torque on the electric motors of the regular rav4 hybrid or does it have to be a prime
Prime has different, more powerful electric motors
No you can't The Prime is a totally different beast. The regular hybrid is just as weak as your average Prius.
No one who lives in deep snow areas runs all season tires. Here in NW PA (which can have 200 inches of snow a season, and has put feet down per hour) even the beater cars have snow tires.
Try and find one
Tbh, I think this condition requires snow tires
I really wished this thing did better off-road/in the snow my sock 2020 rav4 did amazing in the sand and in the snow and I really like the prime for its power and gas mileage but it's sad that those Electric motors pretty much just quit When I feel stuffed starting to slip The prime should have a similar setup to the TRD offroad with the clutch packs and maybe they can integrate that electric motor with the rear end Of a trd off road that would be amazing
There's nothing wrong with the Prime, just the standard tyres. Slap a set of 255/55R19 Grabber AT3's on there and it will be a night and day difference. Those Avid GT's are so bad that they are actually sold as summer tyres outside of the US.
Where is your tuscon phev slip test/ off road test?
Trail mode lets it spin as well. Did you try turning trail mode off?
This is one hard vehicle to find and buy
Is Tommy the only person in the country off roading a rav 4 prime? Probably. But that's ok.
He’s the only transgender soccer mom who’s stupid enough to get off the pavement with it..
@@alanj7306 Wrong but funny.
Ryan from Drivingsports TV did that
So when are you guys going to modify one of these with better tires instead of taking press models around?
I'm not into Hybrids or EVs but the Prime almost addresses all my concerns. I think Toyota should make a TRD version and get rid of the sunroof and install a solar panel to charge the systems when not in use or near a charger for this Rav4 to be just about perfect. I tend to keep my cars for 12 or more years and generally put in over 300k miles on the odometer. This has always been with ICE equipped Toyota's and other than general maintenance Toyota has been very good to me. One massive worry about these new Prime vehicles is that all batteries die at some point and to replace a Prime battery is about $10,000. That's an expense I have never incurred with an ICE vehicle in my entire life.
I could barely get around in snow in my 4runner with the stock tires.
Lol. Those tyres are so bad as winter tyres that they are sold as summer tyres in Europe.
Throw a set of 255/55R19 General AT3's on it and it would be a night and day experience.
I think I will stick with what conclusion you gave us initially back when you did trim comparisons. The Prime is ideal for on road performance. When your starting $ is well over 40K, then are supposed to modify it for OR condition running such as add proper tires, rock rails and under body protection at a minimal(raised ride height optional)you might as well just buy a proper 4x4 out of the gate for less money that has all that to begin with. The Rav4 TRD is not worth the $. (IMO) For similar logistics. I still maintain your conclusion that the XSE Hybrid was the best out of the box multi purpose Rav4 if one wants to dabble in both environments. For a reasonable price. Which is a great credit to your comparisons. :)
So, one suggestion - consider calling out the actual Yokohama tire being used, as Yokohama is a major manufacturer with multiple tire lines. Specifically, which Yokohama tire is it, and are they three peak rated (which would matter for what you are trying to do here)
Yokohama All Weather tires are scary for Winter driving. Falken Wildpeak AT3W are superior.
@@brianbwa maybe but Yokohama Geolandar G015 ATs are great. Quiet on road. Great off-road and M+S + 3peak rated. That’s what I use.
These are the Avid GT's. They are so bad that they are officially sold as summer tyres outside of the US. Grabber AT3's are great. Proper off-road boot, and actually rated for severe snow and ice too.
In this case we can see it's all about tires, the AWD system was fighting really nice 👍
It was. Those Avid GT's are so bad in snow and offroad that they are sold as summer tyres outside of the US. Stick a set of 255/55R19 Grabber AT3's on it and it would fly up that hill.
Better yet a set of 65 series DMV2's on 17,s.................Paul
Texas plates can they really drive in the snow?
Great demo of the off-road chops of this little rig! I didn't think it would do as well as it did. I guess I'm old but 50k seems like too much for a small vehicle that will depreciate over time.
@BL Dontmatter Yes, old and American. For me, if I can't fit my piano and a small amp in the back of the car it is too small :)
Did you forget this is toyota? I just sold my 2020 xse hybrid for 3k more then I paid. These things are appreciating not depreciating. Toyota holds amazing value
@@danhex This inflation is temporary. A millionaire once said cars are a liability, not an asset. The person who bought your car didn't get a great deal did they? A 2005 Lexus is worth maybe 20% of what it cost new. True, the Toyota name and quality makes for higher resale. Don't buy an Infiniti or Cadillac :)
@@IanFrancisco-CAPianoman agreed
@@IanFrancisco-CAPianoman The tax credit is gone. Dealer markups remain. Expect to pay $60K out the door for a Rav4 Prime w/premium package. @danhex no way will these appreciate from that amount. 5 years from now you'll be lucky if that $60K Rav4 Prime is worth $35K. Not saying this as a criticism, I'm in the process of buying one, but the reality is that the current market is not sustainable for much longer. Dealer markups, tax incentive gone, financing rates climbing, insurance costs going up, something's gotta give.
Mmmhhh…I’m pointing at the tires. My sister has one of these with proper studded winter tires and this little RAV4 goes everywhere and anywhere, as long as you don’t bottom it.
Agreed.
Dude, I have a 2010 pathfinder with a low and high 4wd setting and I can guarantee you u it would not get up that hill in that snow with all season radials.
With the proper winter tyres the climb would be much easier
Yep. Those Avid GT's are so bad that Yokohama actually market it as a summer tyre in Europe.
winter tyres an chain
I had a non-Hybrid Rav4 in this body style last year as a rental, and it was the first rental I've ever had in my life that I actually would be willing to buy myself if I were in the market. It got great fuel economy, was powerful enough, and was super luxurious. It was however a FWD model...
Anyhow, i'm a fan. If I were in the market for a plug in hybrid vehicle, this would tick probably every box and I'd have one in my driveway.
Luxurious a RAV4!?
Most people that buy the AWD don't need it. It's just a nice to have. With good tires and traction control FWD is fine in most of the applications people would buy a RAV4 for.
This version is the rav4 on steroids
As somebody who regularly takes the SXS to all the yuppy offroad adventure spots in Az (Fossil Creek, Montana Mountain, Verde Hot Springs, Box Canyon etc), I am always shocked at the vehicles I find well beyond the roads they were designed for. Some people will drive their Rav-4 and CRV through some ridiculous shit.
Lol they’re probably watching too much TFL thinking they’ll do the same on trails they’ve never seen before.
So what. They can destroy their car in any way they want. Who the hell are you??🙄
I think what everyone really wants to know, what kind of regen did you get backing down that far?
I didn’t know this was designed for off-roading
Is this off-road or snow? If its snow and ice, its 95% tires.
What would you think of it with a 2" lift?
Many have done it. No problem.
TRD trim in this would sell like even hotter cakes
I am so disappointed with the inactivity of the rear axle
"I don't think I have the tire for this" mmhm
Nice car....But My first move would be install a set of 17" BBS wheels with Bridgstone DMV2 snows and then run it Year round this way.....The DMV2's ride much better, Especially in the 65 series.........Would not be a race car, But I am 80 and consequently prefer a smooth, quiet ride...........I absolutely despise tire profiles less than 60 series and find Them not much good for anything................Paul
Are you using summer tires🙈
Waiting on 4WD Modes to figure out terrain and traction is like waiting on a buffering internet connection. Nobody has time for that.
If there were a 4runner prime to compete with the wrangler 4xe and cherokee 4xe, I would happily give toyota a pile of cash.
Toyota is far behind Jeep when it comes to capbility from the showroom. The 4Runner gets outsold by the Ford Explorer & Jeep GC by wide margins.
Although the Rav4 has AWD, it is not designed for serious off road driving.
No vehicle will be good on ice unless it has studded tyres.
all 4 wheels need to be spinning looks like limited slip is engaged all over the place.
My god put snow tires on for proper testing next time.