The New Electric Toyota RAV4 Prime Is Surprisingly Good Off-Road! Here Is How We Know!
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Dope! Thanks Tommy and TFL for this! 🔥
Can you imagine how much better it would be with some all-terrain tires? I'm impressed for what it is.
"Better" as in for traction, definitely. But expect the battery and fuel economy to be trashed somewhat.
@@toyotaprius79 I'd be more concerned about increased braking distance and reduced on road traction during hard cornering
I had similar thoughts! for these highspeed tread, the off-road is Absurd.
They need to make a TRD Offroad Prime. That would be a mountain goat!!
Robbie Lessmeier you don’t need, put sone all terrain tyres and it is all good
30-40 mpg off-road! Imagine!!
I'd be interested in something like that, but it would cost well over $50k which is too much.
And a TRD Prius Prime!
@@dlg5485 forgot to subtract the massive $7,500 rebate... big important factor. It’s actually a steal, considering what you’d also save on gas every year, thousands. And what other comparable cars cost anyway fully loaded like this, almost the same
The music is a bit distracting when you’re reviewing. Perhaps just use the music during transitions? Or a bit more sparingly. Just a thought
The issue is the balance. The music needs to come in at a much lower volume so it's a background to the talking and not the same volume as.
considering the second song chosen reminds me of Westen Champlin, since he used it as an intro for a while.
The music is terrible.
Jason Tate That would work
sounds like the 1980s Eddy Murphy movie theme song.
For all your reviews this year, the Prime gets my vote for North American Car of the Year. It seems to check all boxes.
Except for availability
Seems to be the year to test the market for this. I'm hoping this will be influencing the market and new design for a while.
(All the Boxes EXCEPT the obscene starting price when you include the “Market Adjustment” nonsense!)
Yeah, imagine a TRD Off-Road Prime model!
I m so impressed that it did not overheat at all, Toyota knows how to make plug in hybrids, it's a Toyota what you expect
..The problem is that there is No Temperature gauge on the dashboard. You have to guess at the engine temperature and rely on the in board computer to shut the engine off in the case it overheats
I have to admit, the RAV4 did good. It had hard times and found a way to make it work and without the transmission overheating. That has been most of the issues with many of the vehicles you guys have tested. That was an excellent video for the RAV4. I am a fan of this vehicle and believe they are great with the vehicles the RAV4 competes with.
maybe in another 10-15 years when they refresh the 4runner there will be a "prime" trim
😂😂😂
There working on it last year 2019 I talked to the Toyota rep at the car show. I told her in total the 4runner it at the U.S. government tax of $1k due to the 17 total mpg what are they going to do? She said they're working on electrifying the fleet at the time she knew the Sienna was coming first. No news as to yet(2019 then) but she assured me the 4runner is getting a look over for electric.
It's just some slow people out there that can't see the possibilities that Tommy just showed us on the 4runner. However I'm waiting for it it's coming and it should be around $45 to $49k fully loaded for a TRD a sr5 $37-39k. They got to work on the mpg that's what's holding them up they're at 17 mpg that makes the price go up to $50k due to U.S. gov excessive fuel cost tax collection of the $1k. Plus they wanted to see how this Rav-4 prime would sell so it's coming since the Rav4 is sold out for 2020.
@@MsKewi-NYC more like 60k...
Well done! This is what I've always wanted the Crosstrek Hybrid to be. Toyota did well on this one!
Superb Tommy! Glad you did this one. Watched your others on the Rav4, figured this would nail it out of the park! Totally agree with your assessment on the slight mods. would push it over the top. Imagine this set up on a 4Runner. That would totally temp me for an upgrade.
Thank you for posting this video, it's great to see it tackle the off-road. I'd love for this to be one of my next vehicles. Can the Prime handle smaller wheels/ off-road tires? I'd love to see what it can do with the correct shoes!
Thank You at TFL for putting on a channel that really speaks to me! And thank you for testing EV's as as off-road vehicles. I always postulated EV's with such high low end torque would make great off-road and Rock climber vehicles, and you have proven me right in your own way. I look forward to seeing you test future EV's on this channel more properly equipped (more appropriate tires, etc.) to run off road and show up traditional ICE 4x4 vehicles.
I wish UA-cam had an option to select a channel for which all videos would automatically go to your Watch Later! Good job, Tommy!
Just need Rivian to get the R1T and R1S out to see how far one can go.
Nah get a Bollinger B1
Finally!!!! Been dying for this video since you guys teased in the RAV4 vs Tesla video. You made me wait. 🤣🤣 Not nice. 🤣🤣
Great job Tommy, entertaining as usual, keep up the good work
Living in Denver, I need something with remote high-country capability .. but I need a city-car as well, of course. I've been looking for the perfect vehicle to replace my current old '97 Cherokee (mountain/snow) and BMW i3 (city/daily). I'm pretty sure this will do the trick!
Thanks for doing this test! There is still very little info on the Rav4 Prime's AWD capabilities, and this is impressive. It's obviously not in the same class for rock-scrambling as a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with a 4:1 low range transfer case and high-flotation tires, but it gets way better fuel economy than any Jeep or 4-Runner, and probably has a nicer, more comfortable ride on pavement. If you had been able to run this test with BF Goodrich TA/KO2's, or any other similar all-terrain tires, I wonder if the hill climb would have been more impressive, with less wheel slip?
I've been driving a 2019 Prius Prime for the last 14 months, and am totally sold on the Toyota Prius power train technology. I run the car in EV mode on external battery charges as often as possible, and have managed an overall 159.1 miles per gallon of gasoline consumed in 12,500 miles. This car replaced a 2014 Subaru Outback that was getting only 27 mpg. The Prius Prime is costing me about 4 cents per mile, the Subaru cost 13 cents per mile. Quite a difference! I'd love to take a test drive in this Rav4, when they get the supply restrictions sorted out.
UPDATE July 6, 2023. I've finally found one! It's a 2023 Rav4 Prime SE in Ice Cap Blue, without the moon roof package, so it'll have 2-1/2" more headroom than the car in this video. I'm taking delivery on July 18th, and I'm so excited! I've been looking for one since October 2020.
Thank you for these videos! I'm in CO too. Need to know if these cars can handle what I'll throw at them!
Damn Tommy,this is by far oen fo the best videos I've seen in a while... love your vids, keep it up!
4runner prime?
I have a 4runner and a Prius Prime. I'd seriously consider selling both to buy a 4runner Prime.
Sign me up!
Great review! Wish you spent more time discussing how a quick tire upgrade to all terrain (that some other SUVs have stock) would affect the performance on these hills
I drove it 3 weeks ago in a short test drive 😁 and i can say that is amazing fast ✌️👍💯
I live in Fairbanks, AK, with lots of snow & ice and my driveway is a steep hill. what is your opinion of the electric rear motor vs the traditional driveshaft to power the rear wheels in an AWD car, such as the Subaru?
Wow. The PRIME is very impressive and capable at offroads even without all terrain tires.What a car
Does it look like the wheel well would fit 16" or 17" wheels? Aftermarket wheels are super cheap and you can always sell the 18"s to RAV4 owners.
yeah...all size wheels will fit just fine, I own a gray Prime just like the review car in the video.
@12:30 what tires/wheels would you recommend to maximize the offloading capabilities?
Thanks Tommy. We love our Prime SE and can’t wait for next winter.
I know this will seem like a dumb comparison, but what are your thoughts on this vs the wrangler 4xe.
Obviously the wrangler wins off road, but full package between the two what are your thoughts?
Really good reviews and it’s top of my shortlist now.
One quick Q - do they all have a panoramic roof or is that an option ? (I’m looking at approved used 2022 models in the UK and it’s not clear from the listings).
all i want is this drive train in a small toyota pickup from the 90s
I was lucky enough to get a RAV4 Prime XSE. Would you put 18” snow tires/wheels on this car if you could or would you stay with 19”?
Its stunning how little suspension travel this generation has. I wonder if you took off the sway bars if you could get it a little more. It's a crazy wide car for its size so it takes very little leverage on the wheels to go cross axle. A little more wheel travel would be helpful.
Wooow, those city tires really delivered. Imagine the offroaders!!!
Would be cool if this prime could get a trd package in the future. 1 maybe 2 inch lift. Updated facia for better approach angle and updated suspension with a smidge more travel. That would be sweet!!
I have the car...it has a 1 inch lift on it since the battery is underneath the car. it can be lifted another 2 inches rather easy with kit but worried it will upset the handling.
I'm looking forward to the instant torque of electric motors showing up on vehicles with easily liftable suspensions. Plugin hybrid taco/runner gonna be cool some day soon. Hope you guys review the 'lectric F series Ford when they drop it.
Bro! that was amazing..I own a standard 2020 Rav4 and planning to get a Prime and this was a convincing proof! amazing!
Ok with pure electronic mode, but I would af like to see the difference with the engine and the electric motor on. Thanks for the video it was still interesting to see what it does with the Electric motors only
I was going to say the same thing.
Absolutely no one off roading all electric TBH
Very informative tests, congratulations! I watched almost all your tests related to the TOYOTA RAV4 Hybrid (rollers, fuel consumption, snow tires performance...), plus this test with PRIME. I noticed though that both the Hybrid and the PRIME made it on Tombstone Hill (both right and left slopes) although the PRIME was surely better. In my opinion the PRIME had better traction on the rear wheels (does better on rollers as well). As the rear motor has the same power/torque (not sure if it the same transaxle though) the difference may come from the improved software, or from the fact that the weight of the rear axle is superior on the PRIME because of the much heavier battery. What do you think?
Pretty cool if toyota added the trail software function to distribute the power much easier and faster for offroading, or have their A-Trac system
Excellent test👌
Is there any posibility that you can make your own solar panel battery charger ?
Its good to see a tough test. Nice work.
Wait, so is the Rav4 Prime's battery size 18.1 or 17.8 kWh? I've heard most sources said 18.1 kWh...
Does the RAV4 prime have different electric motors front and rear or just more power from batteries and inverters?
do you guys every do any testing of Subarus offroad? I'm really interested in what you guys think about the onyx xt and the crosstrek sport and how they would do against tombstone.
Subarus are behind the times TBH
Okay, here’s my thing. Unless I’m mistaken, the Prime uses the same 54 HP 89 LB/FT rear motor as the normal RAV4 Hybrid. So, I think it’s actually very smart to off road only in EV mode on this car because if it were in HV mode, I guarantee that the front wheels would be overloaded with power. EV is like a really great balance.
the problem is somewhere like in Denver where you're driving a bit to get to the mountains, you might not have enough charge to do much offroading in EV mode. You can conserve battery on the drive I guess, but that's kind of a bummer and once you're depleted you're not charging it in the mountains. I wish he had tested it in HV mode since that's probably the more practical scenario with this car.
Would be very interested in a video of the 2020 Mitsubishi outlander PHEV to compare on the same trail. Great video!
You don't loose performance if the battery runs flat? Seems like TFL can test this! Run up the Ike Gauntlet, then run the battery flat and run the Gauntlet again.
Here's the thing, Toyota Racing Development since 2013 designed and raced Both an AWD and 4-wheel drive versions of the RAV4 that they only use on the Rally Circuit. I would buy a straight-6, 6-speed, 4-wheel drive RAV4. Subaru would have to pack up and close their doors if that beast was offered by Toyota.
What was the tire pressure? Somewhere around 33 psi?
The only reason why this car isn't more common is price and availability. If they somehow fix those issues, I wouldn't be surprised if this supplants all hybrid and most gas models entirely.
All of a sudden no one complains/mentions the CVT for off roading 🤔
These aren't Nissan belt CVTs..they are actual gears. Check out Weber auto on youtube..he rips apart these systems. Its pretty impressive. Honda also uses a similar system as does Chevy with the Volt hybrid. Seems pretty robust.
Is the battery pack lithium ion? And if so, do you think it's safe to expose the battery pack to potential puncture? Lithium exposed to any air equals roman magnesium candle torch in an environment that doesn't take to kindly to flame. I can forsee regulatory bans of any ev vehicles going off road in some parts of the country.
Nice! You should do a similar one with the Outlander PHEV
Music a little distracting.
Can you guys do a video on the Q5 hybrid vs the RAV4 Prime? Also off-road would be sweet to see.
They need a mode where the motors spin one to one and simulated a fully locked vehicle
... but make the rear go slower in the turns so the tires don't have to slip
To limit motors they first have to build individual tachometers for each wheel...so the computer can track wheel spin and match revolutions of each wheel to achieve something resembling locked "hubs" on 4x4's.
@@Animalwon I bet they already have the abs sensors. It has traction control already
@@Animalwon sure, it's called esp
Can you do a review of RAV4 Prime that shows towing capability - tent trailer/ small box trailer [dirt/road bikes], or open utility trailer. Also can a body kit be put on rav4 prime or bigger A/T tires ? This is a great functional video - hope the folks at Toyota pay attention. yes 19" wheels suck offroad. I suppose you could order smaller after market wheels to get more sidewall, but worried a bit about clearance with slightly bigger A/T tires. Can the Rav4 be lifted?
Great job 👏 questions is how the battery pack is protected because if not just one rock slamming in to it might cost you changing the whole battery. Wish you would have a look underneath. Cheers great job as usual:-)
The RAV4 Prime looks like an impressive vehicle. I also enjoy your videos. Is there anything the Hybrid XSE does better than the Prime XSE?
Great review
I wish you guys would run normal hybrid mode as well. I know there is this novelty in showing the electric only but as a car shopper I would like to see the capabilities of the entire system. You did the same thing in the Wrangler 4xe video. I want to see what it can do normally not what it does dragging half the drivetrain up the mountain.
TRD O/R Primes an interesting idea but I’m not taking my $50K car rock crawling 😆
I want the hybrid so badly. Can't wait to get mine in Dec
I know it wasn't mentioned but I love that it says that the rear setbelts aren't on! Is that common across Toyota platforms now??
I have the 2020 hybrid xse(not prime) and mine has it also.a nice feature to let me know if my kid is buckled back there!
pretty good video but why wouldn't you use off road tires vice street tires for testing off road, it may perform differently, it could perform better or worse. could you do a video with the rear seats down to show better the cargo capacity. I have 3 big puppies that use that area
would it be easy to DIY and fill up the entire boot with more batteries?
Can you try to do the same on the ModelY? How does it do?
Will y'all get ahold of a Subaru Crosstrek or Forester and test it off road?
Wow!!! Great video i hope they are only making 5000 becuase they might already have better system but either way this is amazing 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 well done tommy
What is the undercarriage protection? Skid plates?
That was COOL! I own a 2020 Rav4 Hybrid (XLE) and I am so jealous. I should have waited for this Plugin Hybrid version. :-( Thanks for showing us what it can do.
i almost got the 2020 hybrid but I held out and now got a Prime, had to get one out of state and bring it to Texas.
This is amazing especially with those distinctly non off road tyres.
That is some car the rav 4 was always very good off road and this hybrid system makes it even better
This bodes well for the Sienna Prime I'm hoping for. The Rav4 is OK for most things, but taking a 4'x8' sheet of plywood or a 12' board with all doors and windows closed is why I like minivans over crossovers.
The prime doesn't have a locking differential? I am pretty sure my 2018 Rav 4 XLE has a button to lock the differential for short periods.
The hybrid and plug-in hybrid ones have dedicated motors in the rear, it isn't connected to the front engine at all. There is no center diff to lock. It's all controlled by the computer.
Wow this thing is a pretty sweet deal. It does well at everything. Especially for this price point..
Glad people who may normally not of seen what electric cars are capable of are seeing one in action. I just hope Toyota can make enough of them to avoid too much dealer price gouging and charging people way too much for it.
This is my fav car since like 3 months ago. I love toyota 😃
It's mind-boggling that Toyota is only building 5k of these vehicles... they must be very tight in battery supply.
Ya has to be why
susuki is going to rebadge the rav4 to the suzuki Across
There’s also a pandemic happening
Covid-19 things
@@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744 ya it's ruining everything
Great Surprise Off -Raod Ride Tommy! But what were the MPG Spec's? and The Range?
See the other TFL reviews on the Rav4 Prime for that info. He did make the point that battery usage was greatly increased with that short .6 mile set of hill climbs with lots of wheel spine. For the average one vehicle multi purpose car owner that likes to do some Back-roading/Adventure travel the sections of difficult road as shown here only represent 1 - 5% of the miles one might drive in a day. If I was looking to extend the battery while back-roading with this car, I'd use the gas engine for everything until I needed the torque and control that the electric motors in front and back offer.
Music out of place and annoying
whats the wading depth on these?
TFL, Toyota needs to continue to beef up the rear motors on all their #AWD Hybrids to improve off-road/snow traction as well as everyday performance. Sending more power to the rear wheels will make these Hybrids better in every way. BTW the 2006-2012 V6 RAV4 remains the best of all time. If available on a current RAV4, today's 300 HP V6 would beat this Prime's acceleration and tow up to 5,000 lbs. At a minimum, Toyota could offer the current Highlander Hybrid's 243 hp powertrain in a RAV4 which would substantially increase the towing and performance.
I agree
Last winter I Drove our Rav 4 hybrid through 12 inches of snow with no problem.
The rear motor is mostly a launch motor or engages when the front slips up to 30 mph but when you put it in trail mode it will engage when the front wheels slip at safe freeway speeds for conditions.
@@rncondie I am confident the current RAV4 Hybrid would meet my needs but there is always room for refinement and improvement. What do you think of my idea of adding the Hybrid Highlander's extra power to a RAV4?
Great video ,my next suv
I would love to see it perform in hybrid mode with engine and electric to see how it performs with the power transitions in play with this kind of terrain.
Out of interest, anyone know if the prime is different to the models offered in the UK?
"Unlike some other UA-camrs who just lift up a wheel on a rock and make a big deal out of it..." Hmmm, we want names ! Hahaha...
I think I want to buy prime now! Is not a cherokee trailhawk, but I also don't do offroad close to this and 50mpg+++, awesome!!!!!!
Great to have one!
His super-nasally voice forced me to turn the subtitles on and turning the volume to zero. On the other hand the writing and production values and information was very informative. Great job, overall.
You guys need to test the ioniq 5 and the kia ev6 off road as well!
wow how do you get 3.2 on EV I only get 2.6 on my prime in Texas, maybe because your in Colorado?
yah i have prime 2020 its impressive just stock , now i am getting 2 inch lift 245/65/17 tires and protection under it , i think that can be capable car . and fast :)
it could be even better with two 100kw motors front and rear, 20-25kWh battery, and a small compact engine working only as a generator. It would maximize the efficiency when working as a hybrid, there could be even space for a frunk, and in theory would allow to transition the vehicle to BEV in the future.. But, I guess they prefer to sell you a PHEV now, and a BEV in the future.
This is the best vehicle Powertrain format for most people for green energy for the foreseeable future. Plug in hybrid. Can drive all electric around town and to work. But go on a trip for 12 hours then engine can keep you going.
looking for a more commuting friendly replacement for my WK GC ... this opens up a lot more options hah
Zero ORI points for clearance.
When you state a $49k price tag, is that out the door or just MSRP?
MSRP, and likely dealer markups because they know supply is very limited. It qualifies for the plug in tax credit though, where you can knock up to $7500 off your Federal tax the year you buy this car, until Toyota runs out of their 200k allotment of it.