Remember brotha, it's going to be hard for the PS5 Pro to run every game at 60fps because FPS is more, so CPU driven than GPU. Perhaps next Gen with upgraded CPU'S we will start to see more 60fps games.
@@bjarnisthe xsx CPU is higher ghz, DOUBLE cores (Threading vs none), and better airflow cooling AND no throttling full power. At 16 cores that's not weak dog. For a Xbox UI, not full PC UI, that's AWESOME 400$ PC xsx wow 60 UE5 . WOW
As soon as Walmart gets the Xbox Series X 2TB Galaxy Black Special Edition in stock, I'll be getting one. Luckily I won't pay $600, my mom works at Walmart and I'll get a 10% discount... so about $530. 👍👏😁
@@BadAssSykObro isn’t that crazy, you have to say that. You should be able to buy whatever you want & talk about it. Without the sheep coming in to start drama. Absolutely a good purchase fam. I hope your enjoying Gamepass
Series x is the best gaming console even when the pro releases. If devs optimize games properly for the series x games will always out perform ps5 or the pro. CPU on the pro is the same as the ps5.
Hold on wasnt you xbox fanboys saying it was t flops ? You were saying the series x was better because the extra 1.5 t flops ? The pro has 20 odd more t flops plus pssr . Youre seriously deluded if you think series x will be better .
I am on a mission to insult all ponies... I learned that a ponie tried to get me fired only because i said that pc has more games... Thankfully the manager saw his BS but that tells you a lot about play station fanboys
You are wasting your time. Sony could outright admit they are scamming all their fans, and the fanboys would still shill for them. They live on delusional island.
Well, Sony fanboys will have you believe you should pay a premium price for premium console. They also say no one complains about prices of other electronics. Everyone complains about prices. Not buying one. Dont play my Playstation 5 enough. I'm just building a pc.
A shame you didn't realise this sooner. I was thinking about getting a ps5 (I was happy with my ps4) until I saw the only good game it has was demons souls remake, and I already beat demons souls on the ps3. Jumped ship to pc years ago and never going back to console again.
So it’s pretty clear then. The base PS5 was rushed out to the market to try and get ahead of Xbox… I mean it’s weaker than the X and the Pro “upgrade” puts its near to the same level as the X. But the Pro is going to cost way more. So why buy a Pro when you could get a PC or a Switch and and X….
Il PC è un mondo a parte, che poi dovresti prendere in considerazione che se passi su Xbox non hai più il tuo account con la libreria dei giochi che hai comprato quindi ha 0 senso. Compra una PS5 normale e sei apposto.
Euhm the pro puts it far ahead of the series x in anything but cpu power Only 250 mhz more then series x Series x 3,6 with multithreading Ps5 pro 3,85-4,1 rumored
@@johanmelis12 Not really when the X can run games better than the Pro. I believe the PS5 was rushed out and the Pro version is what the PS5 should have been.
Omg PS5 pro can't run UE5 games at 60fps but Xbox can'?? 😩😩😩 Poor poor ponies you might as well get your refund for base PS5 and jump ship to Xbox series or PC.😂🤣
It's funny how fanboys kept telling me "Digital Foundry said that the CPU in the PS5 Pro will be 10% faster!". The rumours were that a boost mode would put the PS5 Pro's CPU at a 10% frequency increase, but that doesn't translate to a 10% performance boost. And hilariously, puts that CPU directly in line with a Series X. Just goes to show you that Sony's not interested in boosting performance, just easily sellable metrics like 4K looks.
Nope Series x is a 3,6 cpu with multithreading Ps5 is a 3,5 ghz cpu with multithreading But without “simultaneous multithreading” series x can clock to 3,8ghz But than you have higher clocks with almost guaranteed worse performance So in reality ps5 is only clocked arround 100 mhz slower on the cpu not 300
@@johanmelis12 actually, disabling SMT isn't that big of a performance loss, and in fact, sometimes can be a performance increase in single threaded tasks. Intel is actually going to remove Hyperthreading going forward, because while it does help in some cases, gaming can actually benefit from it being disabled.
People really underestimate how many games are CPU bound. The PS5 Pro could probably only maintain this price point by not having a meaningful CPU upgrade. Having hardware assisted raytracing is nice but if you're CPU bound oh well.
@@SunRiseHigh444 how’s Conflop 🤣😂🤣😂. 400$ million + flop of the decade. PlayStation is the most garbage console & Sony is the worst company of the generation. How’s the Xbox games pony, since yall have nothing to play but more remasters 🤣😂.
Both are garbage tbh. PC is the only way to go. PC has game pass PC has every xbox game PC has a lot of sony games PC has its own games PC has free online PC is always 2 steps ahead As someone who owned every playstation console, the original xbox + a snes and gamecube, I say you are out of your goddamn mind if you are still playing on consoles in 2024. Imagine if PC modders started remastering games with mods and charging for it. PC gamers would be fuming. But console gamers shilling for these companies for doing the same thing. Where the hell is your integrity? Why don't you take a stand against sony and ms and say "if you keep giving us remasters, we will unsub from your online paywall and stay unsubbed until you give us some new ip's". And believe me it will work, it worked for stellar blade censorship sony caved and allowed a patch to uncensor it after losing a lot of their subs lol. If you don't do something soon, it is gonna become common place and consoles are cooked.
If you ask me, the shared 16gb of ram is more of a problem than the cpu. They need to up the ram capacity to give more memory to the gpu. It is common knowledge among pc gamers that 4k gaming is very heavy on vram. The CPU is of course still a problem, and definitely a bottleneck. But the ram isn't helping either and that is a much cheaper fix than an upgraded cpu. That should be the priority.
Essentially the numbers show you have a few options invest in a powerful pc if graphics and frame rates is what you want If you just want the games get an Xbox. If you want woke movies get a PlayStation. If you want children’s games get a switch
The sad part is, I believe you. I have heard some very wild claims. The funniest was it would be more powerful than a 4090.... Meanwhile my 4070 super is running games at 100+ fps in ultra settings, and ps5 pro is targeting 60 fps XD
@@AaronWOfficial The latest joke now is that the PS5 Pro is equivalent to a 4070. Yup, you read that correctly. Digital Foundry made a throwaway claim that the PS5 Pros GPU is equivalent to a 4070 which I strongly disagree with. Sounds to me like they're shilling for Sony because there's no alternate universe in existence where a PS5 Pro is equal to a 4070. You'll be hearing the Ponies running wild with that joke, now that they feel validated by DF. DF probably can't speak negatively on the hardware out of fear of being excluded from receiving future Sony preview hardware and software.
@@Rob-gs8lq Actually digital foundry said it has the same features of a 4070, but people are misreading that as them saying it is the same as a 4070. It just got lost in translation basically, it has the same feature set but less raw power. Raw power wise it is somewhere between a 4060ti and a 4070
No. We need to be honest about the price. With a drive or stand we are looking at $805 plus tax. For that, I can buy or build a decent computer which can play games. It might not be 17 teraflops, but it would be adequate, and also a computer. This is not cost-effective unless you have money to burn and are fanatical about console gaming. Both Sony and Microsoft promised 4K gaming at up to 120 FPS. Now Sony is telling us to spend $800 to get real 4K gaming at 60 FPS. It might be too strong to say that they lied to us, but I am feeling misled. The PS5 Pro would need to be twice as fast to do what they are promising. It is only 67% more powerful than the PS5, which is why they claimed "near fidelity mode" at 60 FPS. The PS5 and XBox Series X are good consoles. I see very little reason to spend $800 to get a better frame rate in fidelity mode. Neither will anyone else. The PS5 is four years old. Chip technology has improved a great deal in four years. After four years, they should be able to give us a more powerful system for the same $500 price.
I have a PC pro. It is basically the same as a PC, but with watercooling so it also acts as a nice heater for my room in the winter. My energy bills are the same all year round.
Black Myth played 30fps on PS5 and now another biggest game of this year Warhammer not going to play 60fps? I could of sworn Playstation fanboys said Xbox wasn't going to hit 60fps on games but this year is pretty much exposing this gen
So the PS5 Pro can’t get Space Marine 2 run in 60fps what a disgrace and amusing the Sony ponies always think that playstation is always superior how cute.
@craniumjunglist8934 I bet the upcoming Xbox will be more powerful than the Ps5 pro. But then it won't matter again of course. Lol. Anyway.. 80% of playstation games aren't even optimised for the Ps5. What's the point getting a pro?
@@JimBobm, Both are better, Xbox plays anywhere when you can buy a game once and access both PC and Xbox and even mobile devices. Though limited it's still better.
@@jhcola7511How is it better ? Where are the great games ? Be honest, it sucks, i have been bored with my series X for two years, on PS5 i have plenty of choice.
@@MrShadowofthewind Don't talk about a great game and choice when it comes from Sony who offers too damn little and EXTREMELY ANTI-COMSUMER! while Xbox with Game Pass, plus [XBOX PLAY ANYWHERE] Day and date and more. OFFER MUCH MORE! If you still believe that PS is far better than Xbox and PC, YOU AN SHIT HEAD, You have no right to talk about what it good for a pro gamer side.
I spent £832 on my PC and can play space marine 2 on 120fps at 1440p very comfortably, ps5 price is getting into the relams of a gd pc price, and guess what can use a ps controller on pc, i dont think console will become worth it soon if this price keeps continue.
So we are heading towards a world where pc is gonna be the cheapest entry into gaming. Never did I think in my lifetime this would be the case. Wish Sony would have gone bump years back. I’ve hated that company since socom2 came out.
Ps5 is a ps4 pro pro, a ps5 pro is what a ps5 should do. Spending £700 on a 4 pro to gain some dlss, hang on, £300 gpu can do dlss. They haven't added a drive, don't give a stand, and yet asking £700 for a £300 graphics adaption. So sad, Sony are slowly massacring themselves and bring the market down with them.
The other factor is that people arent buying new software for these consoles (granted, not much to buy). Gamers overwhelmingly are still playing games from 10 years ago over buying new games The market is going, and the install base isnt buying new software. Zero reason to subsudize a console.
Let's not forget that when the CPU boost comes into operation you will have a GPU downclock of around 14% if I remember correctly from the presentation. With this balance MAYBE it will also be able to maintain the 10% boost to the CPU being an APU but it will still have a cost in performance lost along the way.
@@c523jw7 Mathematics has nothing to do with it, rather thermodynamics. Since the CPU and GPU are unified on the Ps5/Pro they cannot both overclock at the same time. As CPU frequencies increase, GPU frequencies decrease.
I don’t think the PS6 will be for sale, the high price of almost everything is pointing towards a rental model. That’s why the push to all digital. Rent the console, rent the games, rent online play. “You will own nothing and be happy”. It’s the WEF future.
Xbox and ps need to bring new vr, a new kinect and ps move, and also let their consoles have full native support at of old games. Ps1 ps2 ps3 ps4 and 5 all need to work on the ps6 . Simple
I’ll pay $50 a month for the new Xbox hybrid console gamepass included and upgrade me every refresh as long as I’m still paying. It also depends on on the price of the console. Like I ain’t paying $50 a year for 7 years. I think companies can charge more for the console but it has to be gaming pc equal and easy upgrade.
I definitely didn’t think that the base ps5 was going to go down in price since no one has had an price jump. Sony really shown they cant be trusted so many Ls for this year
i dont understand what people dont get! ps5 pro will have quality mode and performance mode now on performance mode. im pretty sure the quality mode is still on the ps5 pro for the players that wants even more graphics in their games.
My question is a PC's going to be more expensive because thinking about the people that want a on the couch experience with a big TV are they building a PC and hooking it up to a television because if so how's that going to work. Most folks that's buying a PC not only need that but they need a monitor, they need a desk, they need a good office/ gaming chair. So in hindsight, they're changing their whole setup just to get a cheaper gaming system which still makes sense but you also have to think about those other things also. Because with all the videos I've been watching on this topic no one has told me... okay if I get a PC because it's cheaper how is that going to hook up to my current situation which is normally a living room TV.
Wow that has to be a hard pill to swallow for ps5 pro people ouch. 8 have a series x and a ps5 i see no reason for a pro. People are acting like it will play games now at 60 fps even on xbox most games they lock at 30fps unless you are on pc then it will depend on your hardware. It really is sad how many people are being fooled by playstation. To me they are trying to make money back for concord flopping. Yet people will be dumb enough to buy it i libe in the usa and people have said the ps5 disc drive sold out.
Yea I heard scalpers bought up most of the PS5 drives. If people are so stupid as to pay double/triple the money for any of the PS5 pros/peripherals they're just insane or truly have money to burn away...or their parents money to burn. I can't believe people are actually being fooled by Sony this hard 😂😂😂. I have my boring PS5 and I have my NOT boring SX ...I'll absolutely stick with Xbox for the foreseeable future. Sony players call it fine dining 😂😂😂 that's their big excuse now😂. Its not fine dining you absolute morons. It's called a scam and youre the only gamers who'd fall for such Bullshyt.
I adore the Series X tbh. 3rd party games like Elden Ring and Space Marines 2 run so smooth on it. I know playstation is the "cool thing" cause "exclusives" but im simple, game pass + a solid machine that runs smoothly, then have my extra 1tb ssd. Have my Switch for Nintendo and im golden. If the next gen of xbox is super expensive ill build myself a pc and join the "master race" 😂
So playstation fanboys always brag about, supporting the gaming industry but let´s look at this and last week: ConFLOP failed so bad that the servers, got shut down and the studio closed within 2 weeks. Square Enix announced that they won´t make, any exclusive games for playstation anymore because FF7 Remake and Rebirth didn´t sold well. Then they announced the ps5 pro, for 699$ which is digital only and were you have to buy the stand seperatly and which also, has no significant performance even being more powerful than the ps5 and now Astobot flopped despite being praised, and considered as Game of the Year contender. And even with all the power, the ps5 pro has it is still playing games at 30fps.
I think just console fanboys in general base their whole identity off a brand.. which I never understood, and I think it's sad. They don't value themselves so they look for some kind of aphrodisiac in a tangible object or in this case a brand. And base their intrinsic value off of said object or brand. Plus, Now they feel like they are part of something and therefor feel more valued since there are other likeminded people championing that same object or brand. It all comes down to insecurity.
I’m getting sick of gaming and console gaming. I’ve cancelled my gaming subscriptions. I think the next Xbox is probably going to be my last one and then I’ll start seriously thinking of PC if I can be bothered.
The council is $700 for the PS five pro but now you gotta add a scalpers with a diss drive $300 and then you had a hat add the stand next $30 I will come out too1,030 I’m not adding tax
Think most current games are GPU bound, so lot of games should see improvement. Some high profile titles though are and will be CPU bound so they won't see much/any improvement FPS wise. They'll likely look better but won't 'run' better. It's impact in the market with be dependent on if future titles stay GPU bound.
@@_shadouken less and less games releasing are GPU bound. As developers push for bigger, more open games full of npc's they become more and more cpu bound. Its an ever increasing problem for hardware and requires a strong CPU to cope. The Playstation consoles dont have the required power
I don't care for this whole thing but 1:50 they have to hit 60 fps on performance otherwise this wouldn't make sense. so people on base ps5 won't be able to play GTA 6? doesn't make sense
Yeah i doubt they upgrade the Series X, it doesnt need it and will easily still do well with games for the next 2-3 years then it will be a new gen of consoles
Keep this in mind that a ps5 pro was needes to be made to give boost mode to older games while xbox already had it and thats includes the series S console lol smh
With building PC's, this "I will upgrade later / futureproof" mentality is not the best way. Most of the time it's better to just buy a PC in one go, the one that you can afford. If that performance won't satisfy you, save more money and get a bigger budget. Performance/price ratio of electronics changes really quick. Buying 1 stick of RAM is not a good/realistic advice bro XD
damn it bros. have I made a mistake by preordering the ps5 pro? 😂 oh well, what’s done is done. I’m hoping that there will at least be some fps improvements. I guess it’s game dependent like a lot of you say.
The thing about these midgen upgrades as we call them is that the CPU has to remain the same or else it's just not the same console. The Xbox 1X if you remember was also CPU bottle it used the exact same CPU as the Xbox One S and that it was a slight up clock at best and granted it did handle a lot of the games at the time not only way better than the Xbox One S but also better than the PlayStation 4 Pro there was ultimately a bottleneck that kept it from being even better which I guess is okay cuz the point is to upgrade the console not to release a new console that's what the Xbox series console are and this was also why Xbox One X had no "exclusive games" to show off the power the true power. And why would it? It's an Xbox One at the end of the day and the same will be true for the PS5 Pro it's just a PS5 at the end of the day. I believe this is where the PSSR or pisser it comes in because I don't know they're doing all of that to take the load off the cpu in order to hopefully get those frame rates up to sixty on graphically, demanding games or higher
There was really no need for a console mid-gen refresh this generation. These consoles are what they are. We haven't even received games that have truly pushed these consoles to the limit...certainly not from first party anyway. Last gen made sense as the goal was to push past 1080p gaming, but Xbox specifically did not accomplish that.
With the same CPU it will get the same fps only with better visuals, nit picky enthusiast BS. Are slightly better graphics worth $800-$1000 to you, especially on a machine using end of life, ancient PC tech that won't age well? Great video!
bro i have xbox series x i thing is amazing i play in lg nano cell tv im happy the graphics to me is better then ps5 i think ps5 pro is look the same series x im happy with my xbox
this is a another sign that consoles are dying out,the first sign is that console marked is not growing. if people buy the pro ps5,they are a part of the problem for whats wrong with gaming today.
Looks like those extra T flops in the Series X is finally showing
Just pre ordered The Xbox series x 2 TB Galaxy Black Edition
@@SuperChampion206 Nice 👍
So what will happen with the extra tflops in the pro?
@@rashaddow Probably slightly better but we’re talking about an 800 console it better outperform the series X otherwise we got some problems
@flipyapd2321 33teraflops? It will and it's $700. $350 with trade-in.
So no point in buying a CopyPasteStation 5 pro, cause if it can’t run 40K Space Marine 2 at 60, it won’t run a massive game like GTA VI at 60. 🤷🏽♂️
Ps7 might run GTA6 at 60 fps, the CPU on consoles is way too weak.
Remember brotha, it's going to be hard for the PS5 Pro to run every game at 60fps because FPS is more, so CPU driven than GPU. Perhaps next Gen with upgraded CPU'S we will start to see more 60fps games.
@@bjarnisthe 4 year old Xbox 60fps on Warhammer UE5? CPU is fine. On Xbox.
@@bjarnisthe xsx CPU is higher ghz, DOUBLE cores (Threading vs none), and better airflow cooling AND no throttling full power. At 16 cores that's not weak dog. For a Xbox UI, not full PC UI, that's AWESOME 400$ PC xsx wow
60 UE5 . WOW
My regular ps5 runs 60fps
PS5 Pro: The most expensive way to play PS4 games
For real imagine paying that while they’re still releasing on the previous gen consoles
@@fenrirsfolly92 the sad thing is, Ponies will gladly buy it.
@@jrican7581 I know it.
Yall believe this garbage
@@terrencesmith1481 I believe consoles are garbage and the only reason that anyone would ever purchase one is because they can't afford a PC
As soon as Walmart gets the Xbox Series X 2TB Galaxy Black Special Edition in stock, I'll be getting one. Luckily I won't pay $600, my mom works at Walmart and I'll get a 10% discount... so about $530. 👍👏😁
NICE 👍
@@robertsmith-wv2hw, and I can justify my purchase because I don't currently own a Xbox Series. I'm still on the Xbox One S 2TB.
@@BadAssSykObro isn’t that crazy, you have to say that. You should be able to buy whatever you want & talk about it. Without the sheep coming in to start drama. Absolutely a good purchase fam. I hope your enjoying Gamepass
@@rmaxime92 I wasn't making fun of him/her,i really did mean nice because of getting the special edition with a discount.
And U get a disk drive that let's U play 360 .one games too with upscaling
So ps5 pto running spacemarine 2 same frame rate as series s. Ps5 pro holding new gen back 😂😂
Not so much a potato lol them, they thems, ( modern concord audience) now it's likely a new restructuring of goal posts will be moved, I sense...
Series x is the best gaming console even when the pro releases. If devs optimize games properly for the series x games will always out perform ps5 or the pro. CPU on the pro is the same as the ps5.
Hold on wasnt you xbox fanboys saying it was t flops ? You were saying the series x was better because the extra 1.5 t flops ? The pro has 20 odd more t flops plus pssr . Youre seriously deluded if you think series x will be better .
If consoles for nxt gen are priced at 800 to 1000 at that point I'll build a gaming pc.
Once you factor online subscription for the life of the console, they pretty much already cost £800 to £1000😂
60 fps should be minimum!! We want more frames, not maxed graphics!!
The extra GPU compute is for better ray tracing performance and better resolution. If you want better frame rates you need a faster CPU.
@@AnthonyBodea-s6p there are 100% ways to optimize.
I am on a mission to insult all ponies... I learned that a ponie tried to get me fired only because i said that pc has more games... Thankfully the manager saw his BS but that tells you a lot about play station fanboys
at that point you're justified imo
Quindi insulti tutti quelli che giocano alla PlayStation?? Sei un bambino per caso?
They deserve it after all the goal posting whenever it's Sony doing something clearly stupid
@@maux9175 "Alcuni se lo meritano" non generalizzare.
You are wasting your time. Sony could outright admit they are scamming all their fans, and the fanboys would still shill for them. They live on delusional island.
Well, Sony fanboys will have you believe you should pay a premium price for premium console. They also say no one complains about prices of other electronics. Everyone complains about prices.
Not buying one. Dont play my Playstation 5 enough. I'm just building a pc.
A shame you didn't realise this sooner. I was thinking about getting a ps5 (I was happy with my ps4) until I saw the only good game it has was demons souls remake, and I already beat demons souls on the ps3. Jumped ship to pc years ago and never going back to console again.
Yes, the XSX indeed does run Space Marines 2 at 60 fps. It looks so smooth on my LG ThinQ
It does not run it at smooth 60 lmao
So it’s pretty clear then.
The base PS5 was rushed out to the market to try and get ahead of Xbox…
I mean it’s weaker than the X and the Pro “upgrade” puts its near to the same level as the X.
But the Pro is going to cost way more.
So why buy a Pro when you could get a PC or a Switch and and X….
Lol
Il PC è un mondo a parte, che poi dovresti prendere in considerazione che se passi su Xbox non hai più il tuo account con la libreria dei giochi che hai comprato quindi ha 0 senso.
Compra una PS5 normale e sei apposto.
Euhm the pro puts it far ahead of the series x in anything but cpu power
Only 250 mhz more then series x
Series x 3,6 with multithreading
Ps5 pro 3,85-4,1 rumored
@@johanmelis12 Not really when the X can run games better than the Pro.
I believe the PS5 was rushed out and the Pro version is what the PS5 should have been.
@@Darthpathfinder yet ps5 runs some games better or as good as series x
So don’t even think for one second series x will run games better
Omg PS5 pro can't run UE5 games at 60fps but Xbox can'?? 😩😩😩
Poor poor ponies you might as well get your refund for base PS5 and jump ship to Xbox series or PC.😂🤣
It's funny how fanboys kept telling me "Digital Foundry said that the CPU in the PS5 Pro will be 10% faster!". The rumours were that a boost mode would put the PS5 Pro's CPU at a 10% frequency increase, but that doesn't translate to a 10% performance boost. And hilariously, puts that CPU directly in line with a Series X.
Just goes to show you that Sony's not interested in boosting performance, just easily sellable metrics like 4K looks.
1% Fanboys 99% Normal gamers
Nope
Series x is a 3,6 cpu with multithreading
Ps5 is a 3,5 ghz cpu with multithreading
But without “simultaneous multithreading” series x can clock to 3,8ghz
But than you have higher clocks with almost guaranteed worse performance
So in reality ps5 is only clocked arround 100 mhz slower on the cpu not 300
@@johanmelis12 actually, disabling SMT isn't that big of a performance loss, and in fact, sometimes can be a performance increase in single threaded tasks.
Intel is actually going to remove Hyperthreading going forward, because while it does help in some cases, gaming can actually benefit from it being disabled.
@@Xyler94 even in current game engines ?
I would hope that would have transitioned away from it ?
People really underestimate how many games are CPU bound. The PS5 Pro could probably only maintain this price point by not having a meaningful CPU upgrade. Having hardware assisted raytracing is nice but if you're CPU bound oh well.
This is hilarious. All the PS5 Pro warriors out here calling Xbox garbage when they are paying 700$ for nothing.
Xbox is garbage
@@SunRiseHigh444 how’s Conflop 🤣😂🤣😂. 400$ million + flop of the decade. PlayStation is the most garbage console & Sony is the worst company of the generation. How’s the Xbox games pony, since yall have nothing to play but more remasters 🤣😂.
@rmaxime92 why do you fanboys keep talking about concord? O I know why .....to cope and make yourself feel better because Xbox is dogshit😃
@@rmaxime92 irony of this comment 🤣
Both are garbage tbh. PC is the only way to go.
PC has game pass
PC has every xbox game
PC has a lot of sony games
PC has its own games
PC has free online
PC is always 2 steps ahead
As someone who owned every playstation console, the original xbox + a snes and gamecube, I say you are out of your goddamn mind if you are still playing on consoles in 2024.
Imagine if PC modders started remastering games with mods and charging for it. PC gamers would be fuming. But console gamers shilling for these companies for doing the same thing. Where the hell is your integrity? Why don't you take a stand against sony and ms and say "if you keep giving us remasters, we will unsub from your online paywall and stay unsubbed until you give us some new ip's". And believe me it will work, it worked for stellar blade censorship sony caved and allowed a patch to uncensor it after losing a lot of their subs lol. If you don't do something soon, it is gonna become common place and consoles are cooked.
Space Marine 2 is very cpu intensive. Sony needs to stop being cheap on CPU’s. I hear so many excuses and lies from Sony fans.
If you ask me, the shared 16gb of ram is more of a problem than the cpu. They need to up the ram capacity to give more memory to the gpu. It is common knowledge among pc gamers that 4k gaming is very heavy on vram. The CPU is of course still a problem, and definitely a bottleneck. But the ram isn't helping either and that is a much cheaper fix than an upgraded cpu. That should be the priority.
Essentially the numbers show you have a few options invest in a powerful pc if graphics and frame rates is what you want If you just want the games get an Xbox. If you want woke movies get a PlayStation. If you want children’s games get a switch
If you want all 3 of those, get a PC!
@@Xyler94yessir that’ll be $1,500, for here or to go?
@@Xyler94 non paragonare i PC alle console perché sono 2 mondi differenti.
Se li paragoni in generale sei un bambino
Nothing but a cash grab. Paying hundreds more for a marginal uptick in performance is just stupid. Not to mention the lack of disk drive....
Series x is balanced ,the pro is gpu heavy/cpu anemic
So despite the steep price tag, it can't even do currently released games with both fidelity and 60fps..🤦♂️
It’s not even out yet
@proggz39 I'm just gping ny what DG said, who in turn are going by the PS5 Pro's performance specifications.
It's a scam
Want to hear a joke? A ponie told me that the PS5 Pro would run games at 8K - 60 FPS. True story.
The sad part is, I believe you. I have heard some very wild claims.
The funniest was it would be more powerful than a 4090....
Meanwhile my 4070 super is running games at 100+ fps in ultra settings, and ps5 pro is targeting 60 fps XD
@@AaronWOfficial The latest joke now is that the PS5 Pro is equivalent to a 4070. Yup, you read that correctly. Digital Foundry made a throwaway claim that the PS5 Pros GPU is equivalent to a 4070 which I strongly disagree with. Sounds to me like they're shilling for Sony because there's no alternate universe in existence where a PS5 Pro is equal to a 4070. You'll be hearing the Ponies running wild with that joke, now that they feel validated by DF. DF probably can't speak negatively on the hardware out of fear of being excluded from receiving future Sony preview hardware and software.
@@Rob-gs8lq Actually digital foundry said it has the same features of a 4070, but people are misreading that as them saying it is the same as a 4070. It just got lost in translation basically, it has the same feature set but less raw power. Raw power wise it is somewhere between a 4060ti and a 4070
this dude got so much dandruff i swear i thought my screen was dirty
No. We need to be honest about the price. With a drive or stand we are looking at $805 plus tax. For that, I can buy or build a decent computer which can play games. It might not be 17 teraflops, but it would be adequate, and also a computer. This is not cost-effective unless you have money to burn and are fanatical about console gaming.
Both Sony and Microsoft promised 4K gaming at up to 120 FPS. Now Sony is telling us to spend $800 to get real 4K gaming at 60 FPS. It might be too strong to say that they lied to us, but I am feeling misled.
The PS5 Pro would need to be twice as fast to do what they are promising. It is only 67% more powerful than the PS5, which is why they claimed "near fidelity mode" at 60 FPS.
The PS5 and XBox Series X are good consoles. I see very little reason to spend $800 to get a better frame rate in fidelity mode. Neither will anyone else.
The PS5 is four years old. Chip technology has improved a great deal in four years. After four years, they should be able to give us a more powerful system for the same $500 price.
I have a PC pro.
It is basically the same as a PC, but with watercooling so it also acts as a nice heater for my room in the winter. My energy bills are the same all year round.
The PS5 pro is literally the XSX but for drum drum DUm Rolls with less features
Black Myth played 30fps on PS5 and now another biggest game of this year Warhammer not going to play 60fps? I could of sworn Playstation fanboys said Xbox wasn't going to hit 60fps on games but this year is pretty much exposing this gen
the narrative is changingg 👀 ppl are opening there eyes now
@@isikuu.tyrantit’s been a LOONG time coming
60fps should be minimum. We want more frames, not ultra graphics!
So the PS5 Pro can’t get Space Marine 2 run in 60fps what a disgrace and amusing the Sony ponies always think that playstation is always superior how cute.
Ponies: "Tflops don't matter! XSX has more Tflops, but ps5 is still more powerful!"
Also Ponies: "Ps5 pro is so awesome. It has more Tflops!"
😂
Its slightly different isnt it . The ps5 owners were saying 1.5 t flops didn't matter . The ps5 pro has 20 odd more t flops . Slight difference
@craniumjunglist8934 I bet the upcoming Xbox will be more powerful than the Ps5 pro. But then it won't matter again of course. Lol. Anyway.. 80% of playstation games aren't even optimised for the Ps5. What's the point getting a pro?
@@VonDutchNL what upcoming xbox ?
@@craniumjunglist8934 Give it a few months.
@@VonDutchNL if xbox release another more powerful console with a upgrade gpu and the same cpu will you keep the same energy 🤔
Just get a Xbox and PC.
Or get a pc and game pass.
@@JimBobm, Both are better, Xbox plays anywhere when you can buy a game once and access both PC and Xbox and even mobile devices. Though limited it's still better.
@@jhcola7511How is it better ? Where are the great games ? Be honest, it sucks, i have been bored with my series X for two years, on PS5 i have plenty of choice.
@@MrShadowofthewind Don't talk about a great game and choice when it comes from Sony who offers too damn little and EXTREMELY ANTI-COMSUMER! while Xbox with Game Pass, plus [XBOX PLAY ANYWHERE] Day and date and more. OFFER MUCH MORE! If you still believe that PS is far better than Xbox and PC, YOU AN SHIT HEAD, You have no right to talk about what it good for a pro gamer side.
@@MrShadowofthewind I promise this, as a gamer, that both Xbox and PC with Xbox game pass offer FAR more than Sony ever could.
That might all be true, but the Xbox still has no exclusive games selling systems, all i do on my series x is multi plats that run better on it.
I want to know if the PS5 Pro will support Dolby Vision on all TVs. Remember the PS5 only supports DV on Sony Bravia TVs
I spent £832 on my PC and can play space marine 2 on 120fps at 1440p very comfortably, ps5 price is getting into the relams of a gd pc price, and guess what can use a ps controller on pc, i dont think console will become worth it soon if this price keeps continue.
Microsoft needs to price drop the Series X and S by $100 and take advantage of this
U can get latest xbox series x with 2tb drive and disc drive for £550 direct from xbox and £588 with 3 ywar warranty
On top of that Ray tracing is extremely demanding on the CPU and Memory bandwidth! So that Ray tracing boost may be negligible
So we are heading towards a world where pc is gonna be the cheapest entry into gaming. Never did I think in my lifetime this would be the case. Wish Sony would have gone bump years back. I’ve hated that company since socom2 came out.
Bro it's the pro model the pro model is not the entry into gaming. It's literally inherently a step up. That's what makes it "pro"
@@paulcox2447yet theres nothing pro about it...
The ”Pro” model without the base entry level features, the only thing pro about it is kusony profit
@@paulcox2447it's like a quarter of a step up. Not nearly enough value for the cost is the problem here.
Ps5 is a ps4 pro pro, a ps5 pro is what a ps5 should do. Spending £700 on a 4 pro to gain some dlss, hang on, £300 gpu can do dlss. They haven't added a drive, don't give a stand, and yet asking £700 for a £300 graphics adaption.
So sad, Sony are slowly massacring themselves and bring the market down with them.
I am just picturing Carmen from South Park's voice when reading the video's headline.
The other factor is that people arent buying new software for these consoles (granted, not much to buy). Gamers overwhelmingly are still playing games from 10 years ago over buying new games
The market is going, and the install base isnt buying new software. Zero reason to subsudize a console.
Meanwhile consoles and games are selling better than ever. When everyone has a voice you start to hear a lot of stupid people
Let's not forget that when the CPU boost comes into operation you will have a GPU downclock of around 14% if I remember correctly from the presentation.
With this balance MAYBE it will also be able to maintain the 10% boost to the CPU being an APU but it will still have a cost in performance lost along the way.
Let's do maths. 30fps plus 10%...33fps.
Pwahhhhh
@@c523jw7 Mathematics has nothing to do with it, rather thermodynamics. Since the CPU and GPU are unified on the Ps5/Pro they cannot both overclock at the same time. As CPU frequencies increase, GPU frequencies decrease.
I don’t think the PS6 will be for sale, the high price of almost everything is pointing towards a rental model. That’s why the push to all digital. Rent the console, rent the games, rent online play. “You will own nothing and be happy”. It’s the WEF future.
Xbox and ps need to bring new vr, a new kinect and ps move, and also let their consoles have full native support at of old games. Ps1 ps2 ps3 ps4 and 5 all need to work on the ps6 . Simple
I’ll pay $50 a month for the new Xbox hybrid console gamepass included and upgrade me every refresh as long as I’m still paying. It also depends on on the price of the console. Like I ain’t paying $50 a year for 7 years. I think companies can charge more for the console but it has to be gaming pc equal and easy upgrade.
I definitely didn’t think that the base ps5 was going to go down in price since no one has had an price jump. Sony really shown they cant be trusted so many Ls for this year
PS5 & SX are good little boxes but they’ll likely be my last consoles. I wanna try the grass on the other side of the fence(pc)
Yes PCs are great but not everyone has a desire to game on a PC
For the sake of my PC’s cpu, I’ll get Space Marine after its fully optimized on PS5. I just want 60fps consistent and low cpu temps😂
i dont understand what people dont get! ps5 pro will have quality mode and performance mode now on performance mode. im pretty sure the quality mode is still on the ps5 pro for the players that wants even more graphics in their games.
My question is a PC's going to be more expensive because thinking about the people that want a on the couch experience with a big TV are they building a PC and hooking it up to a television because if so how's that going to work.
Most folks that's buying a PC not only need that but they need a monitor, they need a desk, they need a good office/ gaming chair.
So in hindsight, they're changing their whole setup just to get a cheaper gaming system which still makes sense but you also have to think about those other things also. Because with all the videos I've been watching on this topic no one has told me... okay if I get a PC because it's cheaper how is that going to hook up to my current situation which is normally a living room TV.
If the coming state of play shows new exclusives, im getting that pro! 😊
Wow that has to be a hard pill to swallow for ps5 pro people ouch. 8 have a series x and a ps5 i see no reason for a pro. People are acting like it will play games now at 60 fps even on xbox most games they lock at 30fps unless you are on pc then it will depend on your hardware. It really is sad how many people are being fooled by playstation. To me they are trying to make money back for concord flopping. Yet people will be dumb enough to buy it i libe in the usa and people have said the ps5 disc drive sold out.
Yea I heard scalpers bought up most of the PS5 drives. If people are so stupid as to pay double/triple the money for any of the PS5 pros/peripherals they're just insane or truly have money to burn away...or their parents money to burn.
I can't believe people are actually being fooled by Sony this hard 😂😂😂.
I have my boring PS5 and I have my NOT boring SX ...I'll absolutely stick with Xbox for the foreseeable future.
Sony players call it fine dining 😂😂😂 that's their big excuse now😂. Its not fine dining you absolute morons. It's called a scam and youre the only gamers who'd fall for such Bullshyt.
I adore the Series X tbh. 3rd party games like Elden Ring and Space Marines 2 run so smooth on it. I know playstation is the "cool thing" cause "exclusives" but im simple, game pass + a solid machine that runs smoothly, then have my extra 1tb ssd. Have my Switch for Nintendo and im golden. If the next gen of xbox is super expensive ill build myself a pc and join the "master race" 😂
To be honest, Dustin can afford console if it was a 1000$. More than likely, get one for free, works for ign.
So playstation fanboys always brag about, supporting the gaming industry but let´s look at this and last week:
ConFLOP failed so bad that the servers, got shut down and the studio closed within 2 weeks.
Square Enix announced that they won´t make, any exclusive games for playstation anymore because FF7 Remake and Rebirth didn´t sold well.
Then they announced the ps5 pro, for 699$ which is digital only and were you have to buy the stand seperatly and which also, has no significant performance even being more powerful than the ps5 and now Astobot flopped despite being praised, and considered as Game of the Year contender.
And even with all the power, the ps5 pro has it is still playing games at 30fps.
You cracked me up with *ConFLOP* 😂😂
I think just console fanboys in general base their whole identity off a brand.. which I never understood, and I think it's sad. They don't value themselves so they look for some kind of aphrodisiac in a tangible object or in this case a brand. And base their intrinsic value off of said object or brand. Plus, Now they feel like they are part of something and therefor feel more valued since there are other likeminded people championing that same object or brand. It all comes down to insecurity.
people will not stop talking about ps5 pro and its hilarious.
LMAO! It's because the Pisstation pro is hilariously bad lol and sony can't stop taking L's at the moment lol
For the price of a full kitted ps5 pro, i would rather spend 1500 euros in a portable pc
It's amazing what we know b4 it's tried, it's like stitches b4 surgery
Some how Sony tried to make a system that was more powerful than the series X and somehow it’s not running as good on it? What is that?
What people like this guy don't realize is this. Most people want to fiddle with PC parts so people could just to upgrade when they want is irrelevant
I’m getting sick of gaming and console gaming. I’ve cancelled my gaming subscriptions. I think the next Xbox is probably going to be my last one and then I’ll start seriously thinking of PC if I can be bothered.
If it has its own version of dlss it may get higher frames, still not worth the money
No one has mentioned the cost of the hardware that's in the pro. A bigger improvement on cpu would be nice
Crazy to think series x had better chance of 60fps on gta6 than ps5 pro 😂.
The council is $700 for the PS five pro but now you gotta add a scalpers with a diss drive $300 and then you had a hat add the stand next $30 I will come out too1,030 I’m not adding tax
RTX 4080 is around that price....
Think most current games are GPU bound, so lot of games should see improvement. Some high profile titles though are and will be CPU bound so they won't see much/any improvement FPS wise. They'll likely look better but won't 'run' better. It's impact in the market with be dependent on if future titles stay GPU bound.
@@_shadouken less and less games releasing are GPU bound. As developers push for bigger, more open games full of npc's they become more and more cpu bound. Its an ever increasing problem for hardware and requires a strong CPU to cope. The Playstation consoles dont have the required power
All these games can have 60fps if it's built around the machine, and not a pc port
I don't care for this whole thing but 1:50 they have to hit 60 fps on performance otherwise this wouldn't make sense. so people on base ps5 won't be able to play GTA 6? doesn't make sense
Its exactly like the ones with some sense knew it would be like.
Remember the scalping of the PS5s? There is ALOT of Ps5s on ebay and alot of broken for parts Ps5s
I think it’s better to wait for Xbox series x pro version.
Hopefully they will do better job with cpu etc
Series x is the pro version. Next gen console rumored to be in 2026.
Yeah i doubt they upgrade the Series X, it doesnt need it and will easily still do well with games for the next 2-3 years then it will be a new gen of consoles
Keep this in mind that a ps5 pro was needes to be made to give boost mode to older games while xbox already had it and thats includes the series S console lol smh
I'm getting me a $770 4k Blu-ray player that plays games 😁
With building PC's, this "I will upgrade later / futureproof" mentality is not the best way. Most of the time it's better to just buy a PC in one go, the one that you can afford. If that performance won't satisfy you, save more money and get a bigger budget. Performance/price ratio of electronics changes really quick. Buying 1 stick of RAM is not a good/realistic advice bro XD
Damn, ps5 pro is running games at 30fps?
They even showed off Hogwarts Legacy in their reveal and it was running at 30fps 😂
@@fishnutz5196 ooof. That’s turrible
damn it bros. have I made a mistake by preordering the ps5 pro? 😂 oh well, what’s done is done. I’m hoping that there will at least be some fps improvements. I guess it’s game dependent like a lot of you say.
Need to sleep more. Greatly misunderstood what they were on about yesterday.
The thing about these midgen upgrades as we call them is that the CPU has to remain the same or else it's just not the same console. The Xbox 1X if you remember was also CPU bottle it used the exact same CPU as the Xbox One S and that it was a slight up clock at best and granted it did handle a lot of the games at the time not only way better than the Xbox One S but also better than the PlayStation 4 Pro there was ultimately a bottleneck that kept it from being even better which I guess is okay cuz the point is to upgrade the console not to release a new console that's what the Xbox series console are and this was also why Xbox One X had no "exclusive games" to show off the power the true power. And why would it? It's an Xbox One at the end of the day and the same will be true for the PS5 Pro it's just a PS5 at the end of the day. I believe this is where the PSSR or pisser it comes in because I don't know they're doing all of that to take the load off the cpu in order to hopefully get those frame rates up to sixty on graphically, demanding games or higher
Damn wouldja look at that a (pro) tato! Now both companies have one!
There was really no need for a console mid-gen refresh this generation. These consoles are what they are. We haven't even received games that have truly pushed these consoles to the limit...certainly not from first party anyway.
Last gen made sense as the goal was to push past 1080p gaming, but Xbox specifically did not accomplish that.
With the same CPU it will get the same fps only with better visuals, nit picky enthusiast BS. Are slightly better graphics worth $800-$1000 to you, especially on a machine using end of life, ancient PC tech that won't age well?
Great video!
bro i have xbox series x i thing is amazing i play in lg nano cell tv im happy the graphics to me is better then ps5 i think ps5 pro is look the same series x im happy with my xbox
So you’re telling me my current Xbox series one x can run this game at 60fps??? Why tf would I buy a ps5 pro and not just keep my current ps5?
I’m not gonna lie. It’s tiring seeing these UA-camrs who know nothing of pc gaming saying it cost over 1k holy shit dude do some research
Warhammer 40k won’t be 60 gos so what’s the big deal with the pro I don’t understand.
Rtx I could care less cause it’s not my cup of tea.
You sir don't know what your talking about. The PS5 doesn't down clock that way.
I thought ps5 was 120 fps. Why would the pro only have 60? This doesn't make sense.
Because ps5 only runs 120fps on some games at 1080p 😂
this is a another sign that consoles are dying out,the first sign is that console marked is not growing.
if people buy the pro ps5,they are a part of the problem for whats wrong with gaming today.
I am happy with my zen 3 5900x and Rx 6800 that i can upgrade my GPU when RDNA4 comes out and kill the PS5 Pro.
Will wait for the PS5 pro II with upgraded cpu🤪
Duh. It is console. it is up to the devs not the console. Don't waste your money
Euhm yeah it will 🤣🤣
There’s a difference between getting from uneven 50-60 to 60 or 30 to 60.
It's official. Sony is the Apple of console gaming.
Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown cannot run with 60fps on the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 at Native 4K/Ultra
Old buddy from digital foundry is speaking from mere speculation not actuality. No words gymnastics necessary
"Buy an underperforming ps5 pro from a woke company that hates you and your way of life"
Release a ps6 on mid pc level for 1500€ and I will insta buy it.
I think this guy needs to stop thinking cuz that's not his strong suit
Man your really threatened by Sony. Why ?
Wheres the Original video ?