To this day, I'm pretty sure my dad stopped a school shooter before he could enact what he was going to do. My dad was a teacher, and this kid had been acting weird for a couple days, and my dad pulled him into his classroom. He sat with the kid and offered to help with his homework and just talked to the kid. I even spoke to him when I was there to help my dad move something. The kid told my dad about things happening in his house, and that he had no outlet, but talking to my dad helped. After he graduated, he walked up to my dad and told him that he'd been planning to do something horrible, but that my dad bringing him into his classroom every day helped him. Last I heard, dude was running his own landscaping business.
Hell yeah, that's a really good thing. You and your dad are cool peoples. Sometimes that's all it takes to let somebody know they're not alone. Too often we see something is wrong and just don't take the time to say something. Good for you guys, that's awesome.
Maybe if more teachers like your dad took an extra couple minutes with the kid who doesn’t seem to fit in or just maybe needs to talk, there would be a lot less of these tragedies.
Couldn’t the judge have made him change his shirt? That just seems WAAAAY over the limit of what those family members should be expected to face in court.
I think he should have left it. He is a killer. He said horrific things. The stupid hand made t-shirt just glaringly shows he is a moron and a total loser who will never peak in life. It's perfect that we see him in a shirt that says what he is.
there’s another universe where he never committed the act, how he was indeed benevolent, and how he was a good man. he’ll have time to repent someday.. we all have to repeat our lives together someday…
@@and-zw8ty you're It's an honest mistake, people, I misread his sentence. Calm down and go touch some grass if my incorrect correction tilts you that hard.
I remember reading about this story when he broke out when I was in college. I fancy myself as someone who is against torture, but I think I could find it in my heart to make an exception for this guy. However much he suffers, it’ll never be enough.
He really is evil, the amused smile he wore in court while these poor family's were suffering is awful! Thank for sharing this story and highlighting the heroes of that day while being compassionate to the victims.
It would have taken everything I had if I was a family member not to have leaped over to where TJ Lane was sitting at in the court room I would have slapped that smug look right off of his deviant evil face 💯
I fucking lost it when you said the father died of a broken heart. That poor family did nothing to deserve this 😢 My heart goes out to all the families affected
I cried too. I imagined what it would be like if it was my own father forced to live with the fact that me or my sister had been murdered, and that just made it even worse. No father, no parent, should... 😞
im a survivor of the 1998 Westside middle school shooting & it's sad that this has just gotten worse since then. every shooting is triggering & I cant imagine how hard it was for the families of the victims having the killer acting the way he did. if hell is real I hope there is a special place there for them. RIP to all the victims & to all the victims of all these mass shootings, they need to be stopped. one was too many
Mike, i want you to know that your videos were the first i watched when i woke up in the hospital after a suicide attempt. i’d known how you ended each video, but that first one i watched, hearing your “i love you”, it was like i had only just heard it for the first time. i needed that, so so badly. thank you, Mike. here’s to almost 2 whole months of being alive 🖤
I hope you've found purpose and happiness in your life. There's always someone willing to listen. We may not know you, but we're all humans going through shit, and we care about you and your story. Be well, friend !
Oh honey, I'm sorry that you've been going through hard times. I've been there, too! For me, my struggles were driven by chronic illness, which I have now gotten to a more manageable & happy place. I get it. Please know that there are so many people who do care! Reach out & keep getting the care you need to become whole again. Xoxox!
I AM SO GLAD YOU COVERED THIS!!! This snapshot of him wearing that t-shirt and giving the finger comes up in my feed all the time but just as a short "whacky things that happened in courtrooms" I never knew the whole story.... You're the best, Mike!
I haven’t watched the video yet, but I was shocked to see Mike cover this. I didn’t think anyone would. I went to Chardon High my last two years of high school. I remember seeing the boys around the school, the three that were murdered and the fourth that has permanent paralysis due to being shot. Still can’t believe it happened at my high school. And that it’s been ten years. Rest In Peace, Demetrius, Daniel and Russell. And I hope Nick is doing well. And thank you Mike for covering this.
I grew up a few towns over. I was away at college when this happened. Couldn’t believe it. May they Rest In Peace. And hopefully that piece of shit TJ burns in hell.
As a high school teacher stories like this frighten me deeply. The fact that these events happen as often as they do is troubling. The fact that schools are place where you have to worry about getting shot is just messed up.
We need better security at school. Take down the "gun free school zone" signs. Let teachers and staff carry guns. Don't announce who has them but let it be know that the staff are armed so any future shooters won't know who will be able to fight back. Celebrities, elites, politicians, banks, jewelry stores and even some convenient stores have armed security. Why are our children the least protected asset?
@@augustseven9243 just by this comment you can tell you're a MAGA or republican. Don't you ppl ever think that teachers have enough on their plates already? Trying to arm them to protect the students is to much when there should be more restrictions on buying guns. If a ton of police in Texas couldn't stop a killer carrying a AR15 what are teachers and staff going to do? You ppls thinking is crazy.
I didn't know anything about this case, but I remember the video of the horrible thing he said to the grieving families because it was being circled around the internet for a while. I could hardly believe it was real. All my love and condolences to the families who lost their children, and to the students who were affected by what this monster did
I lived about 45 minutes away in Ashtabula County when this happened, and the football coach who charged at the shooter, Coach Hall, ended being the football coach at my highschool after he left Chardon High. Coach Hall always spoke about how he didn't think of himself for even a second, his only focus was on saving the kids and getting the shooter down.
I have never wanted to jump through a screen, and take someone out, so bad as I did, when he gave the finger to the family, of those lives he took. Oh so many will disagree with me, but that pos monster, does not deserve to be breathing. Thank you Mike for covering this tragic story. I truly hope the family can find strength, and the ones taken to soon, are resting in peace.
@@coreencasey5109For the most part I agree, for many it's an easy way out shortening their suffering. Let them live everyday with the knowledge and possible later understanding truly of what they have done. Sadly I'm not convinced this POS feels anything though and murderers tend to be respected in prisons so I've heard. He's scum of the highest order.
The one thing that brings me comfort in this case is knowing that he is in a tiny cell somewhere with his every move monitored and controlled, and every day that goes by he is thought of less and less. He matters less and less. He took innocent lives, but they died just that; innocent, and loved, and remembered reverently. And he’s going to spend the rest of his life forgotten and alone.
The fact that you're typing all this out and still seem very disturbed over the whole situation it seems to me like he still got you on his hook a little bit.
It's weird... I've seen that courtroom scene so many times, and I can't help but see him as just a super lame dude who is trying wayyyy too hard to be edgy. I know that sounds obvious, but considering what he did and the gall to say and represent what he did to the families screams "I am a defiant child and I'm gonna make sure you know this." I can't help but wonder what he thinks of all this now, or how he'll think about it in the future as he "matures."
He’s just another lost emotionally damaged kid from a dysfunctional family and had a lot of anger. Now all he has is to contemplate if losing his freedom was worth it to be seen forever as a monster and the ones he killed as kids killed by a monster. He lost either way
The way he acted in court was just so atrocious. What already was a horrific incident, that just was the shit icing on the shit cake. Thank you for your tasteful and detailed videos. I honestly don’t have any words, I hope that everyone has received the help that they needed.
i dont believe that was truly how he felt... but when you grow up feeling worthless and unwanted. un noticed. that hurts.. im not excusing ANY of it but, i dont believe anyone is born evil. the society we live in breeds it.
@@klondikemom3658 there would be no way to know for sure unless you saw the same person grow up with completely different circumstances, and then see what major choices they make. Which is not possible. So you can’t just say that’s environment and being born that way as a fact for every case.
@@trikelyfe6090 I totally agree-- he was so far removed from any kind of positive attention that he'd been deprived of his whole life that he sought any kind of attention, validated by the disgust of people and the fact that people knew who he was. Horrid behavior, no doubt, but I definitely think nurture and no intervention in his childhood bred what he became.
I had family in the cafeteria that day, I'll never forget that morning. I'm always torn when different sources tell this story, putting his name in the title gives him the attention he was looking for. But at the same time I understand the desire to tell the story. I think you told it well, very detailed and accurate, and from seemingly a different perspective than the norm. Love the channel, easily one of the best.
His name is attributed to a horrific mass murder and a creature that doesn't deserve oxygen. He is not mentioned in a glorious context, to say the least. Also, I'm assuming in his pigeon hall of a cell he doesnt have internet access. (Sarcasm, you get me.) I've never heard of this case or his name before. Now that I know of him, I definitely don't think of him as a hero, you know. The value of his name equals that of a microscopic piece of cockroach shit.
I think cases should be referred to by the victims name.. i.e "The Heartless Killer of _______" instead of videos typically being titled with the monsters name. HOWEVER when it comes to UA-camrs trying to be successful in what they do, I guess cases that involve more than three victims would end up being pretty wordy! Even if the POS is deceased or in prison at time of video being put up and would not personally see it- still rubs me the wrong way!
Because they don’t have the life experience to know that things will change, often for the better. Teens have the same emotions everyone does, and they are heightened in your teens. It’s really sad when we lose them before they can really know. I have a 14 year old and we’ve been through some heavy stuff already. Luckily she has two parents and an extended family there to support and get her the help we all needed, us as parents, as well as her. It breaks my heart when stuff like this happens 💔
Love your channel Mike. Never miss a video. I went to The Lake Academy with this absolute waste of human life. Never talked to anyone, I even tried to be nice to him a couple times. After he broke out of prison I was interviewed on chardon square by several news outlets after I closed up at my job. I've been wishing you would cover this one for a while. Thanks Mike! Hope you're well. -HAP
@@samanthagoldsmith3809 quiet, average, reserved. Tad bit of a dark humor. There was a bad fight once (lake academy being a school for children with IEP's, most of them for fighting/truancy) and I remember him watching from his chair, leaning in to get a better look and chuckling, smiling. Only time i remember seeing him smile. He wasn't intimidating physically or otherwise. Looking back I never would have thought he could have done something so heinous.
Oh wow this is so neat to see. When I was 17 I was in the same juvenile detention center with him. They had him in an isolation cell most of the time but he was allowed into the main pod at night to watch an hour of tv (we were already in our cells by then). This was in late august - early September 2012. You could tell by looking at him that he was some type of disturbed. I always got an eerie feeling on the rare occasion when we would pass by him in the hallway. so cool to see a video about him on one of my favorite channels!
If I were your mother, I would be highly concerned about you...Cool and Neat are the words you choose to describe seeing an update about this murderer on UA-cam....go and see a doctor immediately
@@laurasinfield2431 There's nothing wrong with thinking that seeing a story about someone you had a close encounter with is cool, they didn't say the killer was cool, they didn't say the murders were cool, they said seeing someone cover the story and bringing light to the victims is cool. If anything you need to stop being so judgemental.
Mike: "I guess he ruined his own life, but who really cares?" Me: Exactly. TJ is a waste of oxygen. I feel zero sympathy, pity, or empathy for that self-centered monster.
Perhaps not having empathy for these humans who walk horrendous paths is the exact reason many tend to do so . Not directly but humans have a lot to do with how these folks turn out . That’s a big conversation to have though for a UA-cam comment section. Cheers mate , empathizing doesn’t mean you’d do the things he did or be okay with them btw !
Did you really just quote him and then caption your own inner dialogue instead of just writing your opinion as a statement?? 🤔 What the frig is UA-cam doing to peoples brains?? 🤦🏻♂️
I can't believe that the judge didn't make him cover that shirt immediately. I am astounded that the judge allowed him to wear that in the court room. That judge had authority and power to stop that display immediately. Very disappointing!
@@d.vengeance1897 Comment got deleted. Pretty sure he says something like “The same who pulled the trigger and killed your son now masturbates to the memory, love you”. What a cretin.
I actually thought the narration was poor, didn't watch for very long. Maybe I'll go back and try again. Why did he think it was strange happening in Ohio?
Went to high school at West Geauga when this happened, about 10 minutes down the road from Chardon High. I'll never forget this tragedy. Thanks for covering it
When people are asked about the history of a killer and you hear, "No one thought he was capable of such a thing"; as a teacher, I swear there are kids that teachers can spot as future-problems. I have a couple that if they were accused of a violent crime and I was asked I could honestly say, "I am not at all surprised." I have reported the aberrant behavior on multiple occasions. Sadly, I feel like there aren't enough adequate professional people in the school systems to intervene in these types of cases.
Absolutely agree. There are always warning signs but not enough professionals to help and not enough laws to protect children from the violence of their parents.
As a teacher, I had several students who committed crimes. 1 looked like a rapist and wasn't shocked with what he did. The other caught me totally off guard as he was quiet, polite, and had friends.
I can’t believe it’s been 10 years. I remember when it happened. All of my teachers were so scared for all of us and I remember them reassuring us that we’re all okay and it didn’t happen to us. But it happened SO close to us and it was…. Scary. That’s all I can say. This guy can burn in hell forever.
Mike you're a stand-up guy. You call out creeps like this and give your condolences to the victims and shed light on horrific events. You always give the victims whole names so they can be remembered by all of us, even if its for only a little while. 👏
I like when people do this and put more focus on the lives of the victims instead of just talking about the killer when possible. It deepens the impact of what’s being discussed and I feel like it’s more respectful to said victims to talk at least a bit about their lives and passions rather than only talking about how their lives were ended. It shows that they were real human beings and helps their memory live on.
That must be news to all of the people who outright complied or made a good faith effort to do so; I'm sure the widow of Daniel Shaver will be happy to know that her husband is actually alive and has been all along. Hell; I'm sure Daniel himself will be ecstatic to learn that his death was nothing more than a hypothetical scenario cooked up by a group of scientists and researchers who wanted to see a person follow a lightning fast barrage of impossible commands screamed at them by trigger happy badge wearing shitbags armed with literal assault rifles and state imbued powers over life and death.
@@smendoza7233 OMG you are implying that it's bc he's white. It's actually bc he didn't resist arrest. The majority of criminals who look different should try it for once.
Thank you for sharing this one. It hits home especially close. My little brother was there during the shooting. I can’t put into words the feelings that I had when a text message came through about a school shooter. 15 miles at 130 mph later I was there to make sure he was OK. My heart has and always will go out to those affected.
@Johnny Fawks So, let me get this straight, you drove 15 miles at 130 miles per hour? So you _chose_ to selfishly put other people and families and pedestrians and stray dogs at risk, because you wanted to be the big-shot and come in and save your brother, an act only the cops could've done anyway, and you wouldn't have been able to even get in the school or anywhere near your brother. Have I got that right? You're on here _pridefully boasting_ that you're a lawbreaker and a selfish arsehole, too. Have I got that right? It would've been so ironic had your brother survived but you'd died from driving like _an outright complete idiot,_ or that you'd ended up in prison for vehicular manslaughter. Don't be a greedy ass, dude. It's not your road - it's all of our road. If you can't control your emotions, _please, stay the hell off the road until you've got yourself under control._
@@WobblesandBean Same, had a huge breakdown yesterday as trying to fix my life an it fights so hard against it that i disassociated, shits rought.... Hope you have found away to with it!
I also have PTSD, and tend to think of it as a chronic condition. It may get better, but tends to linger. Maybe it can get to a point where it's at least manageable for these folks.
@@serenity8839 It can be incredibly difficult to deal with. Sorry you are struggling so much. To have your sense of safety undermined in such a profound way can interfere with nearly every aspect of your life. I have been taking medical marijuana for about a year, and its one of the few things that provides relief.
I remember when this happened. I was in a school about an hour away, it put us all on edge. Never worried about a school shooter before it happened so close to home. Also never thought I'd learn more about the monster behind it. Thanks for covering this story, Mike.
Victim via association. Kinda like saying just because you ran in the race you know what it's like to win even though you came in last. There were actual victims of this. Let them be the victim. You just need to support, not feel sorry for yourself
@@kayh9090 That's not what "praytell" means, and you're really just highlighting the fact that the original commenter was NOT a victim and didn't go through anything.
@@amityislandchum ok buddy. Come over to the south and argue my cultural semantics with me. No thanks. Ill make you a biscuit. Pray tell measn a lot. From being a way of saying oh my gosh, or no way. Or like even saying lordy lordy. You can really not tell me what the words I grew up saying within my family mean. And I said nothing about the original victim so you don't get to assume that either. Or I could guess you can but you'd be wrong, and who cares bc were on UA-cam, praytell. It's even (praytell) really like, oh jeez really, go on. Or to ask someone for honesty. I cant even. You could just ask for definition 1st.
@@johndolph131 so how do we solve it? Sadly I think he's going to get respect in prison for this heinous crime. That seems so unfair to the families and those injured in some way by him and those like him.
In this episode, Mikes says “tree (3),” “turty (30),” and “turd (3rd)” six times. Even though I know he wasn’t, I feel like Mike was staring into my soul when he said “Thomas Michael Lane… the turd.”
No kid ever wants to sit alone ,eat alone in a sea full of laughing children. I think other kid's need to be conscious of going out of their way to show kindness to others and I'm not talking about this in particular just being general because you don't know what a gesture that seemingly small could change in another person.
Thats true. My best friend growing up was "the guy who was friends with everyone" and I was the loner reject, a new face in a small school. The moment he decided to sit with me, he made it easier for me to be a better person.
I remember this story but the thing I always appreciate about your channel is you don’t regurgitate the same stories putting in research that no one else does.
What new research did 'That Chapter' do? There's nothing new in this video that hasn't already been mentioned in every other report of this notorious crime.
Watching these children recount their happy memories of fellow classmates killed by another classmate is heartbreaking. Truly awful what a waste of life, the killer really was just one sad bastard
My friends son attended this school. I remember very vividly of her telling me about the lock down. Fortunately, she was in communication with him and knew he was safe.
When I was in school everybody was worried about getting busted smoking or cutting class not getting shot. These kids don't know how it used to be. My dad got suspended for 2 weeks for his hair being too long and I'm starting to think those times were better. Yea that's extreme but there were no school shootings. Between those and the lousy education they get it seems home schooling is the best option.
@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263 Plus, if someone had an issue with someone they would go to a park after school to have a fist fight. We didn't have to worry about someone bringing a gun to school. The worst was maybe someone bringing a knife to show off which usually was confiscated.
Well, he can act tough in the courtroom, but once he gets to prison…I’m reminded of Denzel Washington’s words in Training Day: “We’ve got room for you at the Booty House. You ever been to the Booty House? Big boys make you grab your ankles, man.”
I’m starting my student teaching this year and I have had repeated nightmares of something like this happening to my students. It’s sad that this kind of tragedy happens at all.
I was a reporter in the area when this happened, and this is where a large portion of my extended family lives. I love your channel, but never thought I’d see one this close to home. It’s truly tragic. Also, side note, you definitely butchered the name of the county, but who really correctly pronounces Geauga (Gee-a-ga) without living there?
I was thinking the same thing. I didn't live in the area, but I grew up hearing ads for Geauga Lake. The spelling and pronunciation always confused me as a kid!
@@HelloBabygirl17 I disagree, the problem with america is Americans. I took for 1 school shooting in my country 20 years ago and the government and people where like 'okay, no more guns.' And they've been completely banned ever since and you know what happened? No more school shootings 😵 who'd have thought? Don't blame your government because they where still elected by your people. The people and attitudes of Americans is their real problem.
I had a teacher once tell me: "Be careful how you perceive the world, it is that way." It's something that has stuck with me for years. I wonder if even though "bullying" was never confirmed by anyone else, TJ may have perceived it himself. I'm obviously not defending what happened in any way, but sometimes these things make me think about what must have been going through someone's head when they just start shooting.
I think it's certainly worth understanding, and "empathizing" with young people who do terrible things like this for the sake of prevention. I put empathizing in quotes because I can't think of another word for what I mean. I guess putting yourself in their skin as much as that is possible, and attempting to learn their motives so that you can spot others that are having similar feelings and distorted destructive views of reality. I really don't think it's constructive to shrug and say "well he was just an evil bastard", and go on with life, being shocked all over again when another angry young man gets ahold of a gun and takes revenge on the world. That quote you gave is really good. I look back at my own life, and I remember how incredibly varied my perception of reality has been at different times. Usually I've grown in or out of them with the passage of time, and some are very disturbing to recall and were certainly overly cynical and distorted. I wonder if I had a friend or mentor at the time that could pick up on them, if they could have explained people to me in a way that would have saved me a lot of unnecessary sideways paths. At least I hope that is possible for some of these young people.
I bet that the bullying would have been confirmed, if anyone had bothered to ask. I suspect no one dug too deep, because they wouldn't want people sympathizing with TJ. But, I will say this, as a repeat of what I wrote above in my own comment: While he *somewhat* fits the profile of 'troubled loner', which seems prevalent with school shooters, one of the girls interviewed (and shown here) did speak positively about him, so he clearly wasn't Completely without friends. Also, and I think this is the most telling thing: Unlike the vast majority of school shooters who simply start shooting at random (either in their own class rooms or going into another) TJ specifically went up to the specific kids who were 'rumored' to be bullying him. It was by no means random, but entirely deliberate on his part. If he simply 'wanted to kill', he could've shot literally Anyone in the cafeteria, and got the kill he wanted. But he didn't. He went up to the people specifically rumored to have been bullying him. To me, that suggests that they were (or he at least had some other kind of beef with them specifically, to specifically shoot Them, rather than simply shooting whoever was nearest to him... 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂ That's not intented as a justification, but an observation...
@@TimParker-Chambers Yes, and I don't recall if anyone at that lunch table survived, but I imagine they would be hesitant to honestly say whether anyone in the group had bullied him. And based on his behavior in court, he seems to have greatly disliked his victims. And this is observation, not justification on my part as well. Of course nothing justifies what he did.
The fact he has to spend every waking hour in a maximum security prison, if he wasn't insane then he probably is now. That type of prison is no joke, just you 4 walls of concrete and nothing but your mind almost 24/7.
When you mentioned one of the victims’ father creating a foundation and traveling to try and prevent school shootings like this (or at least reduce it), it made me angry and sad to think about how NOTHING has changed in America since then and in fact, the school shootings have gotten much worse and more frequent.
And you wanna know why shootings of schools and public spaces have become more frequent and not just in the USA? 1. Idolization of school shooters by teens has become more frequent, 2. Lack of guidance and discipline from the parents has become more common, 3. Dysfunctional families have become more common, 4. The fact that gun regulations has increased, gun regulations only threats the safety of the general population which are law-abiding citizens because violent criminals get guns regardless of the legality.
@@av9846 That isn't true. Debate creates change. Also, his comment had never the intention to "help" the situation, it was a simple complaint, so it was a useless intervention by you anyways. bruh....
If I was a family member making a testimony I wouldn’t call them a monster. That’s what they want. Call them “stupid” and speak to them like a child in a very sarcastic sense. They want you to call you a monster. They have that “joker complex”. They have a napoleon complex. Go passive aggressive. You have earned it. Say things along the lines of “I’m sorry you aren’t capable of understanding due to you mental ability.” Or “I’m sorry you don’t have the intellegence to understand”. Make them mad and take the control back
It would hurt him because its true. I would say I won't explain my feelings as you don't have the emotional intelligence to unsterstand, At least I will have the memory's of the person I loved and know they loved me back. To be able to take that away from someone shows that you never developed into a functional person, so there is nothing you can now say that can hurt me more because I know you are lesser than us. you seen other people were able to make bonds and you were jealous of that, you caused pain because you couldn't experience love. Now you don't deserve to be loved and thankfully you will never have the chance to. I hope one day you do develop the mental capacity to understand, because after that you will be tortured everyday by your own thoughts, and you will have the rest of your life to live with that guilt. It sickens me to know that people like you can be born.
The only school lockdown I ever had was when the year 12 kids called in a bomb threat so we could get evacuated to the park near the school and kick the footy around. This kind of thing doesn’t happen in Australia
Good thing he escaped, now he's going to spend the rest of his life in solitary with crazy screaming inmates all around him. He'll truly suffer in there.
You did a great job of covering this horrific event is such a way as to paint lane as exactly the monster he is. You brought up his horrible childhood without making it seem like that was an excuse. Thank you for covering this story. It always feels like Chardon is overlooked
Never seen such a cold and evil person? You must not watch a lot of true crime... There's so many psychos out there that have done far more gruesome things.
You ALWAYS thank us for watching BUT, how often do we thank YOU, for the time and effort that you put into these videos ? I don't see how you can get ANY rest, after researching some of these cases SO, here's to you Mike, THANKS !
I’m from Australia and I can never understand what it’s like to go to school with the thought in the back of your mind that someone may just start shooting at anytime. It absolutely blows my mind
Yeah, we here in America don’t care about the sanctity of life, and yet we claim we do. The Hypocrisy is overwhelming. They just keep sending “thoughts and prayers,” as if that really does any good.
this is true for people who live in any other country except america. school shootings does happen sometimes. in fact, here in the philippines, a recent shooting happened during a graduation ceremony. but the rate of school shootings in the us and the lack of any action to prevent it in the future is just so incomprehensible
Fr! Iam from Europe and the thought is terrifying... I don't understand why they don't secure the school more. Put a trained cop or anyone at the entrance with a locked door and only enter anyone who is allowed
I am a Geauga County native...this happened 10 miles from my home. My dad was a magistrate at the Chardon county courthouse at the time and he said the climate surrounding this kid's appearances in court were a total circus. A complete zoo. Nothing like that had ever happened in boring old Geauga Co. before. Oh, it's pronounced "JEE-aww-guh." There, now you can also sound like a native. :) Fun fact: Chardon is the "Snow Capital of Ohio," being in the lake effect "Snow Belt" of northeast Ohio. One multi-day lake effect snow storm in November 1996 dumped 70 inches (approx. 1.75 meters) of snow on Chardon and the immediate surrounding areas.
Morning from Australia! 2.5 years in and you and your content are the ONLY videos that I never miss in my notifications! It’s 5am here! Perfect time to get my ‘True Crime’ on! Thanks Mike. Appreciate you
💜I lived along Lake Erie in Pennsylvania when this occurred and have seen more than a few videos about TJ Lane. However, I had to listen to MIKE! I’m very glad I did since I didn’t remember hearing about his transfer and hadn’t seen photos. Thanks as always Mike!🌈
I was severely bullied. I do find that I am slightly desensitised to certain levels of violence. I would not think much of getting into a fight with someone and can be fine with them 5 minutes later win or lose. Sometimes I feel bad about it sometimes it feels justified. End of the day though I never got much out of it, funnily enough I actually ended up being friends with the people I'd fought with. As I got older I mellowed out and now it would take a lot to get me into a situation like that again.
As a person who was seriously overweight in school...Im right there with you. Unlike most people I feel bullying is a unfortunate but underrated "need". You cannot have happiness if you have never suffered, you cannot appreciate things if you've never lost anything. It makes you more humble, humility is a a powerful motivator. I think its made me a better person overall, but I dont like to see it done to others....maybe there is a fine line or perfect middle but I've become friends with everyone that has fought with me or bullied me and this is a common pattern from what I've seen. I dont like violence and couldnt see myself doing anything of this sort, but I think more than just environmental issues cause a person to act this way.
I think it's a great idea & vests, as well as guns, should be handed out in all schools, to trained teachers. It's the planned government instigated mass shootings using mind controlled scapegoats we have to worry about - in schools, malls & elsewhere. The independent loner psycho young gunman - not so much. Because the Communists in DC, directed by Globalists, are behind most of the increasingly common shootings. Their objective is gun confiscation. And they'll murder as many child & adult Americans as it takes. The majority of citizens have no clue. I've studied false flags for 10 years & know they are REAL conspiracies. NEVER give up your 2nd Amendment rights!
Thank you for spending so much time highlighting the victims and survivors and their families, the people who should be remembered while also still reporting on this piece of crap. You do a nice balance of that and it's one of the reasons you're one of the few true crime channels I watch. Cheers, and until next time.
17:34 Nope! My ass would be in prison for the rest of my life had he taken my son and grinned at me like that! I’d have flown over the tables and found something sharp to end that monster. I am just unbelievably shattered for these families. 😡💔
Does everybody remember when they were a teenager and thought they actually knew it all? I did. Then, like EVERYONE else I know, grew up and realized what an idiot I was as a teenager and didn't know sh!t. It's a shame, seeing these kids throw their lives away because they THINK they have an idea about something that in fact they have NO CLUE about. So, if your a teenager, and you kinda don't want to listen to your parents, or think adults "don't know" anything, trust me, every single person on the planet has went through what your going through. Try and be smarter than we were and TAKE the advice and life lessons were trying to give you, as we've already learned them. Unfortunately, usually the hard way.
I always say this! Im 33 now- and I didnt know shit as a teen… or even in early 20s. In high school you think you know it all and your life is complete tunnel vision. Life is so much more than those teen years!
You are so beyond correct . But unfortunately that’s just how it goes . As a teen I did think I knew it all . Now as an adult I understand all my mom explained to me . Although she really wasn’t a mom , I raised myself kinda in a sense . Thankfully now with my kids I also have my hubby that I have been with since age 15 so I’m hoping that as they become teens ( which is coming scary fast ) that having a 2 parent household they will listen better than I did to my mom. Hubby started living with me at age 16 ( he was in a rough spot so my mom let him move in , and now I could never imagine letting my kids bf or gf move in !! Ever ) but we thought we knew it all . We didn’t . Unfortunately we didn’t really have good upbringings and had to raise ourselves . At age 17 we got our first “place” . A tiny duplex . But we have been on our own since 17 . I don’t ever want my kids to go through that . Ever . I want us to teach them right , and learn from the mistakes we made . We are the random story of a young couple staying together but I think That is probably pretty rare . Anyway , I just hope our kids listen to our advice as they grow
I'm 40 now, but I look back at my teen years and man.. I did some very stupid things. I thought I knew it all and was invincible. I did not listen to anyone. That backfired big time. But, I'm a lot wiser these days, thank goodness. Original post is 100% accurate.
Yes! I always try and explain to my kids that what they like and are into at 16 probably won't be the same when you are 18-20. At 25, you likely won't be into any of that anymore. It is so important to us at the tine, and we feel our teen lives will be the way we will feel and be forever.
I came from what people would consider a “good home”. Parents still together, both college educated, upper middle class, went to church EVERY Sunday, etc. That’s what people saw. What was really going on? My dad physically beat me bc I had ideas & opinions about politics, the war in Viet Nam, civil rights, how our country was being ruined…oops! I mean run, to what kind of clothes I wore & how I wore my hair & the music I listened too! A 14, 15, 16 yr. old isn’t supposed have critical thinking skills. AND she’s certainly not supposed to “say” anything about anything! That’s why I was so called “punished”. I couldn’t WAIT to get out of the house. What did I do? Didn’t run away. Didn’t drink or do drugs. Didn’t have sex with every guy I went out with. Instead, I volunteered at the local hospital. Ran for student council…& won. Helped tutor kids who had learning problems. Was on the drill team. When old enough, got my driver’s license & a part time job. Spent an enormous amount of time at my girlfriend’s house. In other words, I removed myself from a very toxic situation & did what I thought was right. I did have a support system, but it wasn’t my family. It could have gone all wrong for me…it was the 60’s! But it didn’t! I’ve been married 35 years, have two very grown up kids, with college degrees & 5 grandchildren. I am very proud & thankful. So. Nurture or nature? I think it’s up to each & every individual. After all, Adam & Eve were made perfect. They didn’t want for anything & yet……????
It's crazy how often this is in the US. In my school just last year we had a gun threat and a bomb threat on the same day... They were unrelated events that both happened to occur the same day... Luckily no one was hurt. The guy who sent the gun threats was caught and punished. I've heard nothing about the bomb threats.
Crazy? What is crazy in your country is, that there are more fire weapons than people. In the Netherlands guns are a no go. And guess what? We never had a school or mass shooting. I wonder why? Yes, cannabis is legal here. Fun fact...teenagers try it ofcours...but I do not know one person who uses it regulary. It is not really a thing here. My girls tried it...don't really like it. We have in ratio way way way less drugadicts than the USA and no criminal dealers, because it is cheap and legal. Yay. Also saves a lot of victims of killing. Tourists are the ones who really come here for the weed and we all laugh about it.
Schools are targeted specifically because they offer no resistance to an assailant. If we’re going to entrust teachers with our children, we should make sure they have the ability to adequately defend themselves and the students in their care… The fact that our tax dollars fund the security details for deceitful politicians over those who represent our literal future is abhorrent
@@Veraxu1227 the stabbings cant kill 50 people in seconds from meters away. Blades don't fragment into small razor sharp bits like some types of bullet and cause secondary damage. Even accepting that the tool is only PART of the problem civilians not owning military grade semi autos does make it harder for this stuff to happen and less damaging when it does But let's say culture is a critical factor, cos it is of course. Cultures as big an issue as guns. Guns are not illegal here just harder to get and types restricted..we've still never had a mass shooting (which u could do with a handgun hunting rifle or shot gun ) ...and school stabbings or any school violence is nearly unheard of even in rough schools. Why? Culture. USA culture makes a fetish out of violence and aggression and connects throwing your weight around to masculinity. No mass shootings. Nobody going bankrupt paying for school or college. No participating in attacks on other countries then worrying there will be 'blowback' by some psycho terrorist making innocent civilians pay the price for decisions made by a sick elite. You've no idea how different you could have it. You just accept the nightmare of a country you have assuming it HAS to be like that. It doesn't.
That shit smirk on his face enraged me so much. My heart broke for the victims families when he gave that horrific little statement, and made me want to scream at the same time.
I was so touched by this video...Chardon, Ohio is one of the nicest, most beautiful towns, ever. I have friends nearby here and i have fallen in love with the area...so sorry that they had to deal with this tragedy.
"The turd"🤣🤣 We love you Mike! Especially your 3's! It makes for some great unintended laughs! Edit~ All teachers should have bulletproof vests provided to them from the schools budget. It would keep them safe and able to stand between the shooter and the students. Being able to drag that student into the classroom because he was in a vest attests to that!
Mike, thank you so much for this episode. My cousin is a survivor or the Chardon High School shooting, but her classmates unfortunately didn’t. That actually my cousin @13:19
For people saying he should have gotten the death penalty, I think he got a fate worse than death. After his escape and recapture, he was sent to the most secure prison in the state where they send the worst of the worst, the Ohio State Penitentiary. In addition to that, he’s housed in the Supermax section, where he spends 23 hours a day alone in a cell the size of a parking space. No communal dining, no cellmate. I don’t think I’d last a day in those conditions, let alone the rest of my life. A living hell of bordom with no hope of freedom.
Hey you! Love the way you can tell a horrendous story with a touch of whimsy. Even then your humor comes with compassion and respect. The best of both worlds! Whenever I'm bored or depressed I pull up old videos of yours and chase the Blues away.
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To this day, I'm pretty sure my dad stopped a school shooter before he could enact what he was going to do. My dad was a teacher, and this kid had been acting weird for a couple days, and my dad pulled him into his classroom. He sat with the kid and offered to help with his homework and just talked to the kid. I even spoke to him when I was there to help my dad move something. The kid told my dad about things happening in his house, and that he had no outlet, but talking to my dad helped. After he graduated, he walked up to my dad and told him that he'd been planning to do something horrible, but that my dad bringing him into his classroom every day helped him. Last I heard, dude was running his own landscaping business.
Hell yeah, that's a really good thing. You and your dad are cool peoples. Sometimes that's all it takes to let somebody know they're not alone. Too often we see something is wrong and just don't take the time to say something. Good for you guys, that's awesome.
Sometimes people need to know someone cares, I guess.
@@DanTheMailman330 Absolutely
Maybe if more teachers like your dad took an extra couple minutes with the kid who doesn’t seem to fit in or just maybe needs to talk, there would be a lot less of these tragedies.
Maybe it would have violated his freedom of speech? Or leave grounds for apeal if he weren’t allowed?
“His cause of death was an overdose but he really died of a broken heart” damn that hit right there
my soul clenched.
I know. That was tough
@@sabre5807It made me cry. Try to imagine his unbearable loss, and now that loss is amplified to those who miss him, as well. So tragic.
Oh, boy. That brought on the waterworks
@@Hollylivengood they are not talking about the shooters dad, it was a victims dad.
Couldn’t the judge have made him change his shirt? That just seems WAAAAY over the limit of what those family members should be expected to face in court.
Yeah really. The only thing I can think of reaching for straws is the judge didn't want to infringe on his rights, but man, that is so cold and cruel.
@@donmoore7785 It's the judge's courtroom and he could have deemed it as being disruptive, but he didn't. Bad judgment by this judge.
He should of also been kicked out for that shit eating grin he had on his face the whole time.
I think he should have left it. He is a killer. He said horrific things. The stupid hand made t-shirt just glaringly shows he is a moron and a total loser who will never peak in life. It's perfect that we see him in a shirt that says what he is.
Exactly... pathetic that this judge did not MAKE him put his other shirt back on. Smh. 🤦🏼♀️🤬
The way I grabbed my chest and gasped when he had the AUDACITY to look that parent in the eye and say those words to them! How disgustingly evil
I couldn't hear what he said but I'm sure it was sick.
I think he said this is the hand that pulled the trigger killing your son f*** you and then did middle finger
there’s another universe where he never committed the act, how he was indeed benevolent, and how he was a good man.
he’ll have time to repent someday..
we all have to repeat our lives together someday…
Mike trying not to smile when he's building up to his joke: "the turd" 😂
Ikr... I was like "Wait for it!"
His glee was almost palpable... cracked me up
He's been waiting his entire UA-cam career to use that one.
Plus the instant when he cut away from it was perfect--brilliant editing.
I had to replay it a second time lolol
The dad overdosing just kills my heart. Sad what a monster like that can do in the wake of his crime.
Duh he made him like this. Don't feel sorry for this abuser
@@edyque The dad who OD’d was the father of one of the victims in this shooting. No one feels bad for TJ Lane. Hope you understand better now 👍🏽
@@edyque maybe watch the video before commenting. Duh. One of the victim's father killed himself by overdose on the second anniversary.
@@edyque whoops.....I'm afraid I thought it was the killers dad too. We thought wrong.....
Lol 🤦🏻♀️ at "Duh" comment
"I'd also say he ruined his own, but who cares." Standing ovation.
Golden comment! ✌😸
I stood and clapped.
@@Lucky_Chase your names appropriate then
🙄
@@and-zw8ty you're
It's an honest mistake, people, I misread his sentence. Calm down and go touch some grass if my incorrect correction tilts you that hard.
I remember reading about this story when he broke out when I was in college. I fancy myself as someone who is against torture, but I think I could find it in my heart to make an exception for this guy. However much he suffers, it’ll never be enough.
His whole 'act' in the courtroom is transparent af - you know he was crying himself to sleep every night
Exactly.
All that tiny, little, "hardassing" he was doing... ooooooo scary 👻
I was thinking the EXACT same thing. He had to be freaking terrified.
I hope so. Probably had some 💩 in his pants.
If he had never been sexually abused before, that isn't true anymore after 10 years in prison, that's for sure
Still, that quick little statement to the parents was the wildest thing I've ever heard
“They say he died of an OD, but he really died of a broken heart.” 💔 that did me in.
The tiny ornery sparkle of happiness in your face when you realized and then said "that means he's TJ Lane the turd".
Thanks Mike we love ya!! 🇺🇲
Him escaping shows one thing.... he's not happy where he is which makes me very happy indeed.
He really is evil, the amused smile he wore in court while these poor family's were suffering is awful! Thank for sharing this story and highlighting the heroes of that day while being compassionate to the victims.
Sara So very true, really hard to watch....What a POS he is, hopefully he catches it daily in jail....Poor victims, RIP.
Yes, that was very disturbing.
He is missing something that makes the rest of us human. He's worse than an empty shell.
Thats why these shooters should just be numbered and givin no time of day, maybe even just shoot them as well
It would have taken everything I had if I was a family member not to have leaped over to where TJ Lane was sitting at in the court room I would have slapped that smug look right off of his deviant evil face 💯
@@MrBoxing360 Oh looksie... schools out already, and the silly little try-hard trolls are giving it a goo
I fucking lost it when you said the father died of a broken heart. That poor family did nothing to deserve this 😢 My heart goes out to all the families affected
Pure evil it makes me so angry.
I cried too. I imagined what it would be like if it was my own father forced to live with the fact that me or my sister had been murdered, and that just made it even worse. No father, no parent, should... 😞
Why are you laughing at tragedy? Losing it usually means you can't stop laughing
@@DeciNate_ Usually doesn't mean always does it? You're quite a simple person aren't you. Everyone else seemed to understand
Gregory. Same. 😫😢
im a survivor of the 1998 Westside middle school shooting & it's sad that this has just gotten worse since then. every shooting is triggering & I cant imagine how hard it was for the families of the victims having the killer acting the way he did. if hell is real I hope there is a special place there for them. RIP to all the victims & to all the victims of all these mass shootings, they need to be stopped. one was too many
Mike, i want you to know that your videos were the first i watched when i woke up in the hospital after a suicide attempt. i’d known how you ended each video, but that first one i watched, hearing your “i love you”, it was like i had only just heard it for the first time. i needed that, so so badly. thank you, Mike. here’s to almost 2 whole months of being alive 🖤
Thanks for sharing that Megan, I hope you're having a good day today! Take one day at a time. You can make it through today ♥
I hope you've found purpose and happiness in your life. There's always someone willing to listen. We may not know you, but we're all humans going through shit, and we care about you and your story. Be well, friend !
Make sure you stick around, the world needs you here, we need you here, Mike needs you here to watch these videos. You matter, so please stay.
Glad you are still here, Megan. Sending a huge hug.
Oh honey, I'm sorry that you've been going through hard times. I've been there, too! For me, my struggles were driven by chronic illness, which I have now gotten to a more manageable & happy place. I get it. Please know that there are so many people who do care! Reach out & keep getting the care you need to become whole again. Xoxox!
I AM SO GLAD YOU COVERED THIS!!! This snapshot of him wearing that t-shirt and giving the finger comes up in my feed all the time but just as a short "whacky things that happened in courtrooms" I never knew the whole story.... You're the best, Mike!
I haven’t watched the video yet, but I was shocked to see Mike cover this. I didn’t think anyone would. I went to Chardon High my last two years of high school. I remember seeing the boys around the school, the three that were murdered and the fourth that has permanent paralysis due to being shot. Still can’t believe it happened at my high school. And that it’s been ten years. Rest In Peace, Demetrius, Daniel and Russell. And I hope Nick is doing well. And thank you Mike for covering this.
I grew up a few towns over. I was away at college when this happened. Couldn’t believe it. May they Rest In Peace. And hopefully that piece of shit TJ burns in hell.
So sorry you went through this, I can't even imagine... Did you also know the killer did he go to the same school?
I hope your doing well too blessings to you and I'm so sorry you encounter such a horrible tragedy ❤️
@@dannywilliams6290 "did he go to the same school?" Sounds like 'yes', but that he was (presumably most of the time) at the other campus...
@@TimParker-Chambers oh ok thanks for the response.
As a high school teacher stories like this frighten me deeply. The fact that these events happen as often as they do is troubling. The fact that schools are place where you have to worry about getting shot is just messed up.
We need better security at school. Take down the "gun free school zone" signs. Let teachers and staff carry guns. Don't announce who has them but let it be know that the staff are armed so any future shooters won't know who will be able to fight back. Celebrities, elites, politicians, banks, jewelry stores and even some convenient stores have armed security. Why are our children the least protected asset?
@@augustseven9243 …You are exactly right. That is how this will end
@@augustseven9243 morons think this will work when trained off9cers seize up and get scared. This is stupid
@@augustseven9243 just by this comment you can tell you're a MAGA or republican. Don't you ppl ever think that teachers have enough on their plates already? Trying to arm them to protect the students is to much when there should be more restrictions on buying guns. If a ton of police in Texas couldn't stop a killer carrying a AR15 what are teachers and staff going to do? You ppls thinking is crazy.
@@augustseven9243 Agree completely. We need to protect our most valued and vulnerable part of society from these monsters.
I didn't know anything about this case, but I remember the video of the horrible thing he said to the grieving families because it was being circled around the internet for a while. I could hardly believe it was real. All my love and condolences to the families who lost their children, and to the students who were affected by what this monster did
"...so that would make TJ Lane, Thomas Michael Lane, Thomas Lane the Turd."
*TJ: "Thanks for the original name DAD!!!"*
(cries in teen angst)
Where does the letter J in his name come from?
Your PFP...makes me want to squish the bug on that screen. @@JavraK.Z.L
I lived about 45 minutes away in Ashtabula County when this happened, and the football coach who charged at the shooter, Coach Hall, ended being the football coach at my highschool after he left Chardon High. Coach Hall always spoke about how he didn't think of himself for even a second, his only focus was on saving the kids and getting the shooter down.
I have never wanted to jump through a screen, and take someone out, so bad as I did, when he gave the finger to the family, of those lives he took. Oh so many will disagree with me, but that pos monster, does not deserve to be breathing. Thank you Mike for covering this tragic story. I truly hope the family can find strength, and the ones taken to soon, are resting in peace.
I believe he’s in a more terrible place and suffering a long life in misery rather then snuffing him out where he doesn’t feel anything.
Same here, if nothing else I wished they could hack off that hand as well as a full life sentence and let that be his lasting memory of the day.
@@coreencasey5109For the most part I agree, for many it's an easy way out shortening their suffering. Let them live everyday with the knowledge and possible later understanding truly of what they have done. Sadly I'm not convinced this POS feels anything though and murderers tend to be respected in prisons so I've heard. He's scum of the highest order.
Public torture for these creatures should be a thing.
@@coreencasey5109 hard to say he's feeling anything at all, as it is.
The one thing that brings me comfort in this case is knowing that he is in a tiny cell somewhere with his every move monitored and controlled, and every day that goes by he is thought of less and less. He matters less and less. He took innocent lives, but they died just that; innocent, and loved, and remembered reverently. And he’s going to spend the rest of his life forgotten and alone.
The fact that you're typing all this out and still seem very disturbed over the whole situation it seems to me like he still got you on his hook a little bit.
Yeah she’s probably a feminist lol
@@ManyLegions88 thats nice for you.
@@295walk Well my reply here had nothing to do with me. It has to do with the person who posted this comment.
It's weird... I've seen that courtroom scene so many times, and I can't help but see him as just a super lame dude who is trying wayyyy too hard to be edgy. I know that sounds obvious, but considering what he did and the gall to say and represent what he did to the families screams "I am a defiant child and I'm gonna make sure you know this." I can't help but wonder what he thinks of all this now, or how he'll think about it in the future as he "matures."
He’s just another lost emotionally damaged kid from a dysfunctional family and had a lot of anger. Now all he has is to contemplate if losing his freedom was worth it to be seen forever as a monster and the ones he killed as kids killed by a monster. He lost either way
The way he acted in court was just so atrocious. What already was a horrific incident, that just was the shit icing on the shit cake. Thank you for your tasteful and detailed videos. I honestly don’t have any words, I hope that everyone has received the help that they needed.
i dont believe that was truly how he felt... but when you grow up feeling worthless and unwanted. un noticed. that hurts.. im not excusing ANY of it but, i dont believe anyone is born evil. the society we live in breeds it.
@@trikelyfe6090 watch the Ice man interview with dr stone. Its borh environment and born that way.
@@klondikemom3658 there would be no way to know for sure unless you saw the same person grow up with completely different circumstances, and then see what major choices they make. Which is not possible. So you can’t just say that’s environment and being born that way as a fact for every case.
@@trikelyfe6090 I totally agree-- he was so far removed from any kind of positive attention that he'd been deprived of his whole life that he sought any kind of attention, validated by the disgust of people and the fact that people knew who he was. Horrid behavior, no doubt, but I definitely think nurture and no intervention in his childhood bred what he became.
What exactly did he say? All I heard was "mqsturbate" and "bullets"
This happened close to my home. This case still has an affect on the town. TJ is a complete waste of oxygen. Great story telling as always! Thanks!!
I don't know you people are so mean to TJ. Sure he never did the RV trip, but is that really cause for such vitriolic--oh wait, wrong TJ....
*effect
you never really think it could happen to you, or your town... until one day 😕
@@danieljliverslxxxix1164 which TJ are you talking about then?
@@shauncasey8295 luckily only the most boring people allow their hometowns to be any large part of their identity/personality
I had family in the cafeteria that day, I'll never forget that morning. I'm always torn when different sources tell this story, putting his name in the title gives him the attention he was looking for. But at the same time I understand the desire to tell the story. I think you told it well, very detailed and accurate, and from seemingly a different perspective than the norm. Love the channel, easily one of the best.
He's in a tiny box in a maximum security prison for the rest of his life. He's never gonna know what his name was or wasn't mentioned in..
@@FlameFlickers True!
Prayers for your family
His name is attributed to a horrific mass murder and a creature that doesn't deserve oxygen.
He is not mentioned in a glorious context, to say the least.
Also, I'm assuming in his pigeon hall of a cell he doesnt have internet access. (Sarcasm, you get me.)
I've never heard of this case or his name before. Now that I know of him, I definitely don't think of him as a hero, you know. The value of his name equals that of a microscopic piece of cockroach shit.
I think cases should be referred to by the victims name.. i.e "The Heartless Killer of _______" instead of videos typically being titled with the monsters name. HOWEVER when it comes to UA-camrs trying to be successful in what they do, I guess cases that involve more than three victims would end up being pretty wordy! Even if the POS is deceased or in prison at time of video being put up and would not personally see it- still rubs me the wrong way!
Teenage killers are the most eerie in my opinion
When your whole life is ahead of you, I cannot compute why people chose to do this
Because they don’t have the life experience to know that things will change, often for the better. Teens have the same emotions everyone does, and they are heightened in your teens. It’s really sad when we lose them before they can really know. I have a 14 year old and we’ve been through some heavy stuff already. Luckily she has two parents and an extended family there to support and get her the help we all needed, us as parents, as well as her. It breaks my heart when stuff like this happens 💔
@@SparkimusPrime thank you for sharing your perspective 🙏🏼
Their brain isn't fully developed and they don't consider the long term consequences or reality of their decision. That's my best guess.
They feel at that point in life they have nothing to lose.
It is disturbing and sad.
Love your channel Mike. Never miss a video. I went to The Lake Academy with this absolute waste of human life. Never talked to anyone, I even tried to be nice to him a couple times. After he broke out of prison I was interviewed on chardon square by several news outlets after I closed up at my job. I've been wishing you would cover this one for a while. Thanks Mike! Hope you're well. -HAP
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naw this is about that person not u hope feeling better should I start packing
@@crystalrosas6052 what?
what was he like? can you spare details? I'm very curious
@@samanthagoldsmith3809 quiet, average, reserved. Tad bit of a dark humor. There was a bad fight once (lake academy being a school for children with IEP's, most of them for fighting/truancy) and I remember him watching from his chair, leaning in to get a better look and chuckling, smiling. Only time i remember seeing him smile. He wasn't intimidating physically or otherwise. Looking back I never would have thought he could have done something so heinous.
Oh wow this is so neat to see. When I was 17 I was in the same juvenile detention center with him. They had him in an isolation cell most of the time but he was allowed into the main pod at night to watch an hour of tv (we were already in our cells by then). This was in late august - early September 2012. You could tell by looking at him that he was some type of disturbed. I always got an eerie feeling on the rare occasion when we would pass by him in the hallway. so cool to see a video about him on one of my favorite channels!
His eyes are definitely unsettling. I hope you're doing better man.
Cool?
@@eh-i1841 Neat also.
If I were your mother, I would be highly concerned about you...Cool and Neat are the words you choose to describe seeing an update about this murderer on UA-cam....go and see a doctor immediately
@@laurasinfield2431 There's nothing wrong with thinking that seeing a story about someone you had a close encounter with is cool, they didn't say the killer was cool, they didn't say the murders were cool, they said seeing someone cover the story and bringing light to the victims is cool. If anything you need to stop being so judgemental.
RIP to the victims and hope all those affected by this awful tragedy are doing better these days. Thanks for the video & have a great weekend!
Mike: "I guess he ruined his own life, but who really cares?"
Me: Exactly. TJ is a waste of oxygen. I feel zero sympathy, pity, or empathy for that self-centered monster.
Could you like, shut up
But you're probably very okay with killing babies
Perhaps not having empathy for these humans who walk horrendous paths is the exact reason many tend to do so . Not directly but humans have a lot to do with how these folks turn out . That’s a big conversation to have though for a UA-cam comment section. Cheers mate , empathizing doesn’t mean you’d do the things he did or be okay with them btw !
Did you really just quote him and then caption your own inner dialogue instead of just writing your opinion as a statement?? 🤔
What the frig is UA-cam doing to peoples brains?? 🤦🏻♂️
ur no better stay strong yes he's a mentally ill pos
I can't believe that the judge didn't make him cover that shirt immediately. I am astounded that the judge allowed him to wear that in the court room. That judge had authority and power to stop that display immediately. Very disappointing!
Yes very unprofessional and disgraceful of a judge to let that happen and insulting the poor parents.
Maybe the judge just wanted them to see exactly what kind of person they were dealing with.
If someone wants to act in such a way that he gets the maximum sentence, let him do it. F him.
the judge should have made him look small like the little immature coward he is sitting there like a little girl he needs to grow some balls...
He's a white male in America. I'm not surprised whatsoever.
A teacher having a bulletproof vest on deck is the saddest thing I’ve heard in a long time… but if I was a teacher I’d have one too.
In the USA yes. And perhaps Ukraine, Gaza, and Sudan
My heart sank when he said that in court.
How unimaginably painful for these poor families.
What did he say?
I couldn’t even understand what he said
I too have no idea what he said. ❓❓❓
@@d.vengeance1897 Comment got deleted. Pretty sure he says something like “The same who pulled the trigger and killed your son now masturbates to the memory, love you”. What a cretin.
@@d.vengeance1897 "This hand that pulled the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. F--- all of you,"
You narrate these tragedies with such empathy for the victims. And rightly give the perpetrator the "heave ho" they deserve.
Thank you so much Mike!
I actually thought the narration was poor, didn't watch for very long. Maybe I'll go back and try again. Why did he think it was strange happening in Ohio?
Actually he constantly cracks on people, but he does throw a bone out to types like you and it seems to work.
@@millardf452 Like I said, I'll give it another look, but he over uses the word "like".
@@marianparoo1544 That person was very clearly replying to the original poster.
@@millardf452 makes no sense but go off I guess
Went to high school at West Geauga when this happened, about 10 minutes down the road from Chardon High. I'll never forget this tragedy. Thanks for covering it
Wow. So informative.
9:02 'but it's also terrifying that a teacher would have a bullet proof with him at school' -- welcome to 'Merica, land of the 'free'
When people are asked about the history of a killer and you hear, "No one thought he was capable of such a thing"; as a teacher, I swear there are kids that teachers can spot as future-problems. I have a couple that if they were accused of a violent crime and I was asked I could honestly say, "I am not at all surprised." I have reported the aberrant behavior on multiple occasions. Sadly, I feel like there aren't enough adequate professional people in the school systems to intervene in these types of cases.
Absolutely agree. There are always warning signs but not enough professionals to help and not enough laws to protect children from the violence of their parents.
As a teacher, I had several students who committed crimes. 1 looked like a rapist and wasn't shocked with what he did. The other caught me totally off guard as he was quiet, polite, and had friends.
Take care. Get yourself a bulletproof vest
^ This 100%!
Agreed
I can’t believe it’s been 10 years. I remember when it happened. All of my teachers were so scared for all of us and I remember them reassuring us that we’re all okay and it didn’t happen to us. But it happened SO close to us and it was…. Scary. That’s all I can say. This guy can burn in hell forever.
Mike you're a stand-up guy. You call out creeps like this and give your condolences to the victims and shed light on horrific events. You always give the victims whole names so they can be remembered by all of us, even if its for only a little while. 👏
💯
this is one of his best. I like how he sets the scene then brings out the characters. The kids appear deep, town good and justice served.
I like when people do this and put more focus on the lives of the victims instead of just talking about the killer when possible. It deepens the impact of what’s being discussed and I feel like it’s more respectful to said victims to talk at least a bit about their lives and passions rather than only talking about how their lives were ended. It shows that they were real human beings and helps their memory live on.
It still amazes me how certain people get arrested so peacefully after committing horrific acts.
I think we know why
Amazed, yet mostly amazed at our society's continuing systemic injustice.
yeah.. they comply with the cops and don't die, what a shock.
That must be news to all of the people who outright complied or made a good faith effort to do so; I'm sure the widow of Daniel Shaver will be happy to know that her husband is actually alive and has been all along. Hell; I'm sure Daniel himself will be ecstatic to learn that his death was nothing more than a hypothetical scenario cooked up by a group of scientists and researchers who wanted to see a person follow a lightning fast barrage of impossible commands screamed at them by trigger happy badge wearing shitbags armed with literal assault rifles and state imbued powers over life and death.
@@smendoza7233 OMG you are implying that it's bc he's white. It's actually bc he didn't resist arrest. The majority of criminals who look different should try it for once.
Thank you for sharing this one. It hits home especially close. My little brother was there during the shooting. I can’t put into words the feelings that I had when a text message came through about a school shooter. 15 miles at 130 mph later I was there to make sure he was OK. My heart has and always will go out to those affected.
@Johnny Fawks So, let me get this straight, you drove 15 miles at 130 miles per hour? So you _chose_ to selfishly put other people and families and pedestrians and stray dogs at risk, because you wanted to be the big-shot and come in and save your brother, an act only the cops could've done anyway, and you wouldn't have been able to even get in the school or anywhere near your brother. Have I got that right? You're on here _pridefully boasting_ that you're a lawbreaker and a selfish arsehole, too. Have I got that right?
It would've been so ironic had your brother survived but you'd died from driving like _an outright complete idiot,_ or that you'd ended up in prison for vehicular manslaughter.
Don't be a greedy ass, dude. It's not your road - it's all of our road. If you can't control your emotions, _please, stay the hell off the road until you've got yourself under control._
@@Hajapaiumdkdidjsjns how important is your family to you?
@@Hajapaiumdkdidjsjns look at the routes and traffic from east mentor to Chardon high school. I might have endangered a deer.
I'm so glad your brother was OK. I can't imagine the terror :(
All the people given PTSD is no joke.
It ruins so many lives so i hope they got the help they needed.
I have PTSD. It's a daily struggle. My heart goes out to everyone whose lives this worthless human pestilence impacted.
@@WobblesandBean Same, had a huge breakdown yesterday as trying to fix my life an it fights so hard against it that i disassociated, shits rought.... Hope you have found away to with it!
I also have PTSD, and tend to think of it as a chronic condition. It may get better, but tends to linger. Maybe it can get to a point where it's at least manageable for these folks.
@@micheller6804 After the years of it ruining my life, tbh its unbeatable.
You just cant win.
@@serenity8839 It can be incredibly difficult to deal with. Sorry you are struggling so much. To have your sense of safety undermined in such a profound way can interfere with nearly every aspect of your life. I have been taking medical marijuana for about a year, and its one of the few things that provides relief.
I remember when this happened. I was in a school about an hour away, it put us all on edge. Never worried about a school shooter before it happened so close to home. Also never thought I'd learn more about the monster behind it. Thanks for covering this story, Mike.
Victim via association. Kinda like saying just because you ran in the race you know what it's like to win even though you came in last. There were actual victims of this. Let them be the victim. You just need to support, not feel sorry for yourself
@@Canadianvoice what is wrong with you? Pray tell you never go through trauma. Who are you to explain away what else another has gone through?
@@kayh9090 That's not what "praytell" means, and you're really just highlighting the fact that the original commenter was NOT a victim and didn't go through anything.
@@amityislandchum ok buddy. Come over to the south and argue my cultural semantics with me. No thanks. Ill make you a biscuit. Pray tell measn a lot. From being a way of saying oh my gosh, or no way. Or like even saying lordy lordy. You can really not tell me what the words I grew up saying within my family mean. And I said nothing about the original victim so you don't get to assume that either. Or I could guess you can but you'd be wrong, and who cares bc were on UA-cam, praytell.
It's even (praytell) really like, oh jeez really, go on. Or to ask someone for honesty. I cant even.
You could just ask for definition 1st.
His whole demeanor in court is his best attempt to protect his ego now that he's got nothing left. At least he's getting raw dogged in a super max now
I'm more interested in how he got that way and how we prevent it. We're never gonna solve jack if we just chuck everything up to "evil."
Exactly
well first america needs to dump its gun obsession
It’s the want for attention
@@johndolph131 so how do we solve it? Sadly I think he's going to get respect in prison for this heinous crime. That seems so unfair to the families and those injured in some way by him and those like him.
Sometimes they is no why.
"Snipers and mines." 😂 You always find a way to make me laugh no matter how sad the story
In this episode, Mikes says “tree (3),” “turty (30),” and “turd (3rd)” six times.
Even though I know he wasn’t, I feel like Mike was staring into my soul when he said “Thomas Michael Lane… the turd.”
No kid ever wants to sit alone ,eat alone in a sea full of laughing children. I think other kid's need to be conscious of going out of their way to show kindness to others and I'm not talking about this in particular just being general because you don't know what a gesture that seemingly small could change in another person.
Unfortunately, kids don’t understand the value of kindness, likely because they’re being bullied in some way.
@@rebeccasimpson7527 you're right and it's about keeping appearances to fit in whatever you are group you are in ..sad really.
No excuse
He could have sat down with the four kids at table who had befriended him. They were nice to him, but he chose to shoot them.
Thats true. My best friend growing up was "the guy who was friends with everyone" and I was the loner reject, a new face in a small school. The moment he decided to sit with me, he made it easier for me to be a better person.
Much respect to Bill Fisher who was willing to give an interview while riding his bike. He must be a very busy man.
Bingo night at the VA
that made my day hahaha
OMG, I missed that as I was not looking at the screen at that point. Saw this comment and had to go back and watch!!! Outstanding!
lost my shit at that. the fact they moved along with him had me dying. small town midwest at its finest
Don't praise Bill. Lazy bastard stole my bike
I remember this story but the thing I always appreciate about your channel is you don’t regurgitate the same stories putting in research that no one else does.
I love you Mike 😘💗
You always make my Friday a little brighter!☀️☀️
"He thought he was hot but, you know he was just regular.."😆🤣😂
What new research did 'That Chapter' do? There's nothing new in this video that hasn't already been mentioned in every other report of this notorious crime.
@@millardf452 do you just go from video to video to whine and cry. Fucking sad
@@glamdolly30 Perhaps that's because there's nothing else to find.
The teacher having a bullet proof vest in the classroom with them says it all really...everything that is wrong there
Prepped and ready to be a hero.
Watching these children recount their happy memories of fellow classmates killed by another classmate is heartbreaking. Truly awful what a waste of life, the killer really was just one sad bastard
My friends son attended this school. I remember very vividly of her telling me about the lock down. Fortunately, she was in communication with him and knew he was safe.
When I was in school everybody was worried about getting busted smoking or cutting class not getting shot. These kids don't know how it used to be. My dad got suspended for 2 weeks for his hair being too long and I'm starting to think those times were better. Yea that's extreme but there were no school shootings. Between those and the lousy education they get it seems home schooling is the best option.
@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263 Plus, if someone had an issue with someone they would go to a park after school to have a fist fight. We didn't have to worry about someone bringing a gun to school. The worst was maybe someone bringing a knife to show off which usually was confiscated.
@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263 Home schooling ensures you'll never be smarter than your parents.
Bless the coach and the teacher. They acted immediately and most likely saved countless lives. Hope all the families have healed
I don’t think you ever completely heal after a tragedy like this. You adapt and somehow get on with your life, but it’s never the same.
never in my life have i hated someone so quickly or with so much intensity. he is a sorry excuse for a human being.
Just proves, sadly again, how abusing a child can possibly, and most likely, lead to horrific consequences and pain for many.
Mike - You are frickin' awesome. Been watching you for years. Always clear, concise and light hearted. Absolutely awesome!
Oh this freaking guy. He was such a prick. His courtroom antics were vile!
And very rehearsed.
Well, he can act tough in the courtroom, but once he gets to prison…I’m reminded of Denzel Washington’s words in Training Day: “We’ve got room for you at the Booty House. You ever been to the Booty House? Big boys make you grab your ankles, man.”
So disrespectful to all the family members. Wow wow. He certainly doesn’t ever need to be out and about as he is very dangerous
I was hoping a prisoner would wipe that smirk off his face! I hope he drops his soap often!
I couldn’t make out what he said can someone tell me??
Thanks for all your hard work Mike! I love giving it a go every week with you!
Autocorrect always changes my "goo" to "go"...
The face you made when you joyfully got to say the third made all of your videos one amazing thing ever. I love it. Thank you
I’m starting my student teaching this year and I have had repeated nightmares of something like this happening to my students. It’s sad that this kind of tragedy happens at all.
You can thank your country’s gun laws
@ Its because gun free zones are slaughter houses for cowardly nut jobs. Restrictive gun laws make people less safe.
Mike good to see ya again. Glad I could catch this one on time today!!! High fives and positive vibes
Thanks for watching!
Very nice! But what’s on time! It’s a You Tube video it’ll be there forever!
@@ThatChapter Never change Mike 👊🏼
@@rebelwithoutaclue9387 😆
Good to see I too!
I was a reporter in the area when this happened, and this is where a large portion of my extended family lives. I love your channel, but never thought I’d see one this close to home. It’s truly tragic.
Also, side note, you definitely butchered the name of the county, but who really correctly pronounces Geauga (Gee-a-ga) without living there?
I was thinking the same thing. I didn't live in the area, but I grew up hearing ads for Geauga Lake. The spelling and pronunciation always confused me as a kid!
(Gee-a-ga) like Mick?
They always leave out what kind of bullies those assholes were.
I appreciate your work :).
Omg yea so funny how bad he butchered it but I still love his channel
When will Americans start caring more about their children than their guns
Such a shame
@@HelloBabygirl17 I disagree, the problem with america is Americans. I took for 1 school shooting in my country 20 years ago and the government and people where like 'okay, no more guns.' And they've been completely banned ever since and you know what happened? No more school shootings 😵 who'd have thought?
Don't blame your government because they where still elected by your people. The people and attitudes of Americans is their real problem.
there are so so many victims in a true crime case, people sometimes forget that... it is so heartbreaking :(
🙂
I had a teacher once tell me: "Be careful how you perceive the world, it is that way." It's something that has stuck with me for years. I wonder if even though "bullying" was never confirmed by anyone else, TJ may have perceived it himself. I'm obviously not defending what happened in any way, but sometimes these things make me think about what must have been going through someone's head when they just start shooting.
I think it's certainly worth understanding, and "empathizing" with young people who do terrible things like this for the sake of prevention. I put empathizing in quotes because I can't think of another word for what I mean. I guess putting yourself in their skin as much as that is possible, and attempting to learn their motives so that you can spot others that are having similar feelings and distorted destructive views of reality. I really don't think it's constructive to shrug and say "well he was just an evil bastard", and go on with life, being shocked all over again when another angry young man gets ahold of a gun and takes revenge on the world.
That quote you gave is really good. I look back at my own life, and I remember how incredibly varied my perception of reality has been at different times. Usually I've grown in or out of them with the passage of time, and some are very disturbing to recall and were certainly overly cynical and distorted. I wonder if I had a friend or mentor at the time that could pick up on them, if they could have explained people to me in a way that would have saved me a lot of unnecessary sideways paths. At least I hope that is possible for some of these young people.
I do truly think he targeted that group for a reason. A reason you or me will never understand. I try to teach my kids to be nice to everyone always .
I bet that the bullying would have been confirmed, if anyone had bothered to ask. I suspect no one dug too deep, because they wouldn't want people sympathizing with TJ. But, I will say this, as a repeat of what I wrote above in my own comment: While he *somewhat* fits the profile of 'troubled loner', which seems prevalent with school shooters, one of the girls interviewed (and shown here) did speak positively about him, so he clearly wasn't Completely without friends. Also, and I think this is the most telling thing: Unlike the vast majority of school shooters who simply start shooting at random (either in their own class rooms or going into another) TJ specifically went up to the specific kids who were 'rumored' to be bullying him. It was by no means random, but entirely deliberate on his part. If he simply 'wanted to kill', he could've shot literally Anyone in the cafeteria, and got the kill he wanted. But he didn't. He went up to the people specifically rumored to have been bullying him. To me, that suggests that they were (or he at least had some other kind of beef with them specifically, to specifically shoot Them, rather than simply shooting whoever was nearest to him... 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂ That's not intented as a justification, but an observation...
@@TimParker-Chambers Yes, and I don't recall if anyone at that lunch table survived, but I imagine they would be hesitant to honestly say whether anyone in the group had bullied him. And based on his behavior in court, he seems to have greatly disliked his victims. And this is observation, not justification on my part as well. Of course nothing justifies what he did.
The fact he has to spend every waking hour in a maximum security prison, if he wasn't insane then he probably is now. That type of prison is no joke, just you 4 walls of concrete and nothing but your mind almost 24/7.
When you mentioned one of the victims’ father creating a foundation and traveling to try and prevent school shootings like this (or at least reduce it), it made me angry and sad to think about how NOTHING has changed in America since then and in fact, the school shootings have gotten much worse and more frequent.
And you wanna know why shootings of schools and public spaces have become more frequent and not just in the USA? 1. Idolization of school shooters by teens has become more frequent, 2. Lack of guidance and discipline from the parents has become more common, 3. Dysfunctional families have become more common, 4. The fact that gun regulations has increased, gun regulations only threats the safety of the general population which are law-abiding citizens because violent criminals get guns regardless of the legality.
and you complaining about it doesn’t change anything 🤔
@@Fullmetalseagul No, what we need to do is stop making these school shooters famous.
@@av9846 That isn't true. Debate creates change.
Also, his comment had never the intention to "help" the situation, it was a simple complaint, so it was a useless intervention by you anyways.
bruh....
@@Fullmetalseagul She complains about the situation, why can't you see it?
A complaint is nothing wrong.
If I was a family member making a testimony I wouldn’t call them a monster. That’s what they want. Call them “stupid” and speak to them like a child in a very sarcastic sense. They want you to call you a monster. They have that “joker complex”. They have a napoleon complex. Go passive aggressive. You have earned it. Say things along the lines of “I’m sorry you aren’t capable of understanding due to you mental ability.” Or “I’m sorry you don’t have the intellegence to understand”. Make them mad and take the control back
Yes yes.
Do you play video games?
What kind of video games?
Exactly. I understand parents' anger, but he enjoyed it. Would be better to even not say anything at all and behave like he is an empty space.
Or a fav of mine " I really will sleep well at night knowing all of your holes will be resized in prison"
It would hurt him because its true. I would say I won't explain my feelings as you don't have the emotional intelligence to unsterstand, At least I will have the memory's of the person I loved and know they loved me back.
To be able to take that away from someone shows that you never developed into a functional person, so there is nothing you can now say that can hurt me more because I know you are lesser than us.
you seen other people were able to make bonds and you were jealous of that, you caused pain because you couldn't experience love.
Now you don't deserve to be loved and thankfully you will never have the chance to. I hope one day you do develop the mental capacity to understand, because after that you will be tortured everyday by your own thoughts, and you will have the rest of your life to live with that guilt. It sickens me to know that people like you can be born.
Hi Mike!! I love the haircut! I always look forward your video posts. Thank you for being so committed to us fans! ❤️ Keep up the great work
I swear his hair is always on point!
High and tight on fleek or whatever you kids say these days.🤣👍🏽
@@blueandgreenslacks I'm 37 so.... yea lol that's pushing it for me🤣🤣 kinda sounds foreign 😋
I feel so blessed that the only lock downs my kids ever had at their schools was due to bears roaming around the area.
...Or the school had "A mold problem". :D
Bears with guns D; ? Well they have their right to bear-arms :>
The only school lockdown I ever had was when the year 12 kids called in a bomb threat so we could get evacuated to the park near the school and kick the footy around. This kind of thing doesn’t happen in Australia
@@theblackbaron4119 🤦♀️
Funny, I had my High School shut down because the KKK came to visit our small Texas town back in 98'.
Thanks!
You have a knack for telling a disturbing tale in a whimsical way. Thanks for giving it a go!
Well said
TJ Lane….the Turd is a great example of that.
Good thing he escaped, now he's going to spend the rest of his life in solitary with crazy screaming inmates all around him. He'll truly suffer in there.
Giving it a goo*
A goo!
You did a great job of covering this horrific event is such a way as to paint lane as exactly the monster he is. You brought up his horrible childhood without making it seem like that was an excuse. Thank you for covering this story. It always feels like Chardon is overlooked
I live near his "prison home", and I was scared to death when he escaped. Never seen such a cold and evil person.
damn, must have been scary yea!
I woulda been nervous as hell too! Thank God he's a total moron and got caught immediately and all yall stayed safe and unharmed 🙏🏻
Never seen such a cold and evil person? You must not watch a lot of true crime... There's so many psychos out there that have done far more gruesome things.
That was the opportunity to go find him and deliver some real justice.
@@saintlynnie4037 Just because someone has committed a more gruesome crime does not make them more cold than the pit of nothing that is TJ Lane.
You ALWAYS thank us for watching BUT, how often do we thank YOU, for the time and effort that you put into these videos ? I don't see how you can get ANY rest, after researching some of these cases SO, here's to you Mike, THANKS !
I’m from Australia and I can never understand what it’s like to go to school with the thought in the back of your mind that someone may just start shooting at anytime. It absolutely blows my mind
It absolutely boggles my mind. I have a high schooler and I want to homeschool or online school her.
Yeah, we here in America don’t care about the sanctity of life, and yet we claim we do. The Hypocrisy is overwhelming. They just keep sending “thoughts and prayers,” as if that really does any good.
this is true for people who live in any other country except america. school shootings does happen sometimes. in fact, here in the philippines, a recent shooting happened during a graduation ceremony. but the rate of school shootings in the us and the lack of any action to prevent it in the future is just so incomprehensible
Fr! Iam from Europe and the thought is terrifying... I don't understand why they don't secure the school more. Put a trained cop or anyone at the entrance with a locked door and only enter anyone who is allowed
The only good thing Prime Minister John Howard did was the Gun Buy Back scheme
I am a Geauga County native...this happened 10 miles from my home. My dad was a magistrate at the Chardon county courthouse at the time and he said the climate surrounding this kid's appearances in court were a total circus. A complete zoo. Nothing like that had ever happened in boring old Geauga Co. before.
Oh, it's pronounced "JEE-aww-guh." There, now you can also sound like a native. :)
Fun fact: Chardon is the "Snow Capital of Ohio," being in the lake effect "Snow Belt" of northeast Ohio. One multi-day lake effect snow storm in November 1996 dumped 70 inches (approx. 1.75 meters) of snow on Chardon and the immediate surrounding areas.
Morning from Australia! 2.5 years in and you and your content are the ONLY videos that I never miss in my notifications! It’s 5am here! Perfect time to get my ‘True Crime’ on! Thanks Mike. Appreciate you
Ya not the only Aussie up early for our give it a goo!
@@bari2883 champion! Happy Saturday mate! 😎
I know right. Me too.
Y’all known for fishing for likes?
I am Australian as well. Never miss his videos in good old SA. Take care and smile lots x
💜I lived along Lake Erie in Pennsylvania when this occurred and have seen more than a few videos about TJ Lane. However, I had to listen to MIKE! I’m very glad I did since I didn’t remember hearing about his transfer and hadn’t seen photos. Thanks as always Mike!🌈
I was severely bullied.
I do find that I am slightly desensitised to certain levels of violence.
I would not think much of getting into a fight with someone and can be fine with them 5 minutes later win or lose.
Sometimes I feel bad about it sometimes it feels justified.
End of the day though I never got much out of it, funnily enough I actually ended up being friends with the people I'd fought with.
As I got older I mellowed out and now it would take a lot to get me into a situation like that again.
I see you Charlie z.
Wow sounds like your bullying made you a boss!
I'm sorry that happened to you.
As a person who was seriously overweight in school...Im right there with you. Unlike most people I feel bullying is a unfortunate but underrated "need". You cannot have happiness if you have never suffered, you cannot appreciate things if you've never lost anything. It makes you more humble, humility is a a powerful motivator.
I think its made me a better person overall, but I dont like to see it done to others....maybe there is a fine line or perfect middle but I've become friends with everyone that has fought with me or bullied me and this is a common pattern from what I've seen. I dont like violence and couldnt see myself doing anything of this sort, but I think more than just environmental issues cause a person to act this way.
“A teacher has a bullet proof vest…..in a school “
Let that sink in…..oh, America 🤷♀️🤦🏼♀️😢🫣
Me an American: I mean yeah 💁♀️🙃
I think it's a great idea & vests, as well as guns, should be handed out in all schools, to trained teachers. It's the planned government instigated mass shootings using mind controlled scapegoats we have to worry about - in schools, malls & elsewhere. The independent loner psycho young gunman - not so much. Because the Communists in DC, directed by Globalists, are behind most of the increasingly common shootings. Their objective is gun confiscation. And they'll murder as many child & adult Americans as it takes. The majority of citizens have no clue. I've studied false flags for 10 years & know they are REAL conspiracies. NEVER give up your 2nd Amendment rights!
Thank you for spending so much time highlighting the victims and survivors and their families, the people who should be remembered while also still reporting on this piece of crap. You do a nice balance of that and it's one of the reasons you're one of the few true crime channels I watch. Cheers, and until next time.
17:34 Nope! My ass would be in prison for the rest of my life had he taken my son and grinned at me like that! I’d have flown over the tables and found something sharp to end that monster. I am just unbelievably shattered for these families. 😡💔
He is despicable. I would also
Does everybody remember when they were a teenager and thought they actually knew it all? I did. Then, like EVERYONE else I know, grew up and realized what an idiot I was as a teenager and didn't know sh!t. It's a shame, seeing these kids throw their lives away because they THINK they have an idea about something that in fact they have NO CLUE about. So, if your a teenager, and you kinda don't want to listen to your parents, or think adults "don't know" anything, trust me, every single person on the planet has went through what your going through. Try and be smarter than we were and TAKE the advice and life lessons were trying to give you, as we've already learned them. Unfortunately, usually the hard way.
I always say this! Im 33 now- and I didnt know shit as a teen… or even in early 20s. In high school you think you know it all and your life is complete tunnel vision. Life is so much more than those teen years!
You are so beyond correct . But unfortunately that’s just how it goes . As a teen I did think I knew it all . Now as an adult I understand all my mom explained to me . Although she really wasn’t a mom , I raised myself kinda in a sense . Thankfully now with my kids I also have my hubby that I have been with since age 15 so I’m hoping that as they become teens ( which is coming scary fast ) that having a 2 parent household they will listen better than I did to my mom. Hubby started living with me at age 16 ( he was in a rough spot so my mom let him move in , and now I could never imagine letting my kids bf or gf move in !! Ever ) but we thought we knew it all . We didn’t . Unfortunately we didn’t really have good upbringings and had to raise ourselves . At age 17 we got our first “place” . A tiny duplex . But we have been on our own since 17 . I don’t ever want my kids to go through that . Ever . I want us to teach them right , and learn from the mistakes we made . We are the random story of a young couple staying together but I think That is probably pretty rare . Anyway , I just hope our kids listen to our advice as they grow
I'm 40 now, but I look back at my teen years and man.. I did some very stupid things. I thought I knew it all and was invincible. I did not listen to anyone. That backfired big time. But, I'm a lot wiser these days, thank goodness. Original post is 100% accurate.
Yes! I always try and explain to my kids that what they like and are into at 16 probably won't be the same when you are 18-20. At 25, you likely won't be into any of that anymore. It is so important to us at the tine, and we feel our teen lives will be the way we will feel and be forever.
I came from what people would consider a “good home”. Parents still together, both college educated, upper middle class, went to church EVERY Sunday, etc. That’s what people saw. What was really going on? My dad physically beat me bc I had ideas & opinions about politics, the war in Viet Nam, civil rights, how our country was being ruined…oops! I mean run, to what kind of clothes I wore & how I wore my hair & the music I listened too! A 14, 15, 16 yr. old isn’t supposed have critical thinking skills. AND she’s certainly not supposed to “say” anything about anything! That’s why I was so called “punished”. I couldn’t WAIT to get out of the house. What did I do? Didn’t run away. Didn’t drink or do drugs. Didn’t have sex with every guy I went out with. Instead, I volunteered at the local hospital. Ran for student council…& won. Helped tutor kids who had learning problems.
Was on the drill team. When old enough, got my driver’s license & a part time job. Spent an enormous amount of time at my girlfriend’s house. In other words, I removed myself from a very toxic situation & did what I thought was right. I did have a support system, but it wasn’t my family. It could have gone all wrong for me…it was the 60’s! But it didn’t!
I’ve been married 35 years, have two very grown up kids, with college degrees & 5 grandchildren. I am very proud & thankful.
So. Nurture or nature? I think it’s up to each & every individual. After all, Adam & Eve were made perfect. They didn’t want for anything & yet……????
It's crazy how often this is in the US. In my school just last year we had a gun threat and a bomb threat on the same day... They were unrelated events that both happened to occur the same day... Luckily no one was hurt. The guy who sent the gun threats was caught and punished. I've heard nothing about the bomb threats.
Crazy? What is crazy in your country is, that there are more fire weapons than people. In the Netherlands guns are a no go. And guess what? We never had a school or mass shooting. I wonder why? Yes, cannabis is legal here. Fun fact...teenagers try it ofcours...but I do not know one person who uses it regulary. It is not really a thing here. My girls tried it...don't really like it. We have in ratio way way way less drugadicts than the USA and no criminal dealers, because it is cheap and legal. Yay. Also saves a lot of victims of killing. Tourists are the ones who really come here for the weed and we all laugh about it.
Schools are targeted specifically because they offer no resistance to an assailant.
If we’re going to entrust teachers with our children, we should make sure they have the ability to adequately defend themselves and the students in their care…
The fact that our tax dollars fund the security details for deceitful politicians over those who represent our literal future is abhorrent
We've never had a school shooting in Ireland. There are entire parts of Europe where (outside terrorism) there's been no mass shootings in decades
@@Veraxu1227 the stabbings cant kill 50 people in seconds from meters away. Blades don't fragment into small razor sharp bits like some types of bullet and cause secondary damage.
Even accepting that the tool is only PART of the problem civilians not owning military grade semi autos does make it harder for this stuff to happen and less damaging when it does
But let's say culture is a critical factor, cos it is of course. Cultures as big an issue as guns. Guns are not illegal here just harder to get and types restricted..we've still never had a mass shooting (which u could do with a handgun hunting rifle or shot gun ) ...and school stabbings or any school violence is nearly unheard of even in rough schools. Why? Culture.
USA culture makes a fetish out of violence and aggression and connects throwing your weight around to masculinity.
No mass shootings. Nobody going bankrupt paying for school or college. No participating in attacks on other countries then worrying there will be 'blowback' by some psycho terrorist making innocent civilians pay the price for decisions made by a sick elite.
You've no idea how different you could have it. You just accept the nightmare of a country you have assuming it HAS to be like that. It doesn't.
That shit smirk on his face enraged me so much. My heart broke for the victims families when he gave that horrific little statement, and made me want to scream at the same time.
I was so touched by this video...Chardon, Ohio is one of the nicest, most beautiful towns, ever. I have friends nearby here and i have fallen in love with the area...so sorry that they had to deal with this tragedy.
Hey you, thanks again Mike, thankful for your quality and consistent content
He's so pleased for the pain he caused and keeps causing
Funny way to interview a citizen while he rides his bike. 😂 Thankfully he didn't run into a pole.
"The turd"🤣🤣 We love you Mike! Especially your 3's! It makes for some great unintended laughs!
Edit~ All teachers should have bulletproof vests provided to them from the schools budget. It would keep them safe and able to stand between the shooter and the students. Being able to drag that student into the classroom because he was in a vest attests to that!
It’s hard when you see evil like that ,especially someone so young.
Perfect, a new video from Mike - my weekend can truly begin now!
Enjoy!
Mike, thank you so much for this episode. My cousin is a survivor or the Chardon High School shooting, but her classmates unfortunately didn’t.
That actually my cousin @13:19
For people saying he should have gotten the death penalty, I think he got a fate worse than death. After his escape and recapture, he was sent to the most secure prison in the state where they send the worst of the worst, the Ohio State Penitentiary. In addition to that, he’s housed in the Supermax section, where he spends 23 hours a day alone in a cell the size of a parking space. No communal dining, no cellmate. I don’t think I’d last a day in those conditions, let alone the rest of my life. A living hell of bordom with no hope of freedom.
Hey you! Love the way you can tell a horrendous story with a touch of whimsy. Even then your humor comes with compassion and respect. The best of both worlds! Whenever I'm bored or depressed I pull up old videos of yours and chase the Blues away.