The Walking Dead Saints & Sinners - Meta Quest 3 Patch, Side by Side Comparisons and Impressions
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- After the long-awaited patch for The Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners for Meta Quest 3 it's finally here. This game set in New Orleans in an apocalypse filled with zombies/walkers has some of the best atmospheres of any VR game.
This new Quest 3 update adds almost 1GB to the base game and settles at 8.22GBs
The update gives well-improved textures, significant improvements to lighting and adds dynamic shadows, more on-screen walkers in open areas, and new visual effects.
This game is one of the staples for VR even after being released 3 years ago. It is also one of my favorite VR games on any platform and now it's more enjoyable on standalone as it brings much-needed improvements to the Quest 3 version.
However, it's worth noting that performance, small bugs game-breaking bugs, and texture flickering are still present. Before the patch in the game, you have to fetch a pump and a turn dial. I decided to piece it together for the game to throw me in the air and I couldn't move. Zombies at times are doing the moonwalk or ignoring you randomly. Giving task NPCs items sometimes breaks their animation and you have to slap them back to reality. Stuttering between entering new areas of the map, turning on your flashlight, or going through the catacombs is a stutter fest.
All this can be fixed with updates. But, the game still had these issues even after being released 3 years ago. This patch is in search of more issues, and hopefully Skydance Interactive will double down on supporting their past games. As of 2020, they have surpassed $100 million in revenue. The money bag is there and lately their newest releases haven't been reviewed well as this game.
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It looks so much better now. I appreciate every little detail. Including the insects
Really great analysis, thank you!
Thanks for the video! I really wanted to see this. Honestly, it feels like a pretty good improvement for me.
Great video thank you switch all the side by side comparisons now I can see the improvements to the game. I’m not impressed but with the game being 3 years old what can we expect. A resolution bump up would’ve been nice though instead I think they went for making the game world feel more lived in
Yeah better textures is nice, but without better resolution it still looks blurry.
For what it's worth though, people tried to up the resolution and it made the game run horribly. We are going to need brand new games to utilize the q3 appropriately
With the pancake lenses it things that don't look as good stick out like a sore thumb. Yeah, this feels more like a improvements on the composition of the world.
I got my quest 3 today. And my first and last vr experience was google daydream with the pixel one......i play video games since I'm six years old, got all the consoles, pc and and and...... Now I'm 42 years old and wanted to buy a new gaming system. Xbox, PS? I won't buy both of them cause the games are the same since 20 years, only the graphics get better.... So i choosed the quest3. And..........WOW...... This brings gaming definitely to the next level. I played saints and sinners till now my battery is empty and i was completely in it. I'm so happy with the quest and can't decide which games i play next...... Thanks to all developers of the quest and the games. This is such a milestone. Won't imagine the next ten years...... Maybe a star trek holo deck?
Hi! If you don't mind my suggestion, do try "Into the Radius" on the Quest, it's an amazing game!
Yeah, this why I'm getting one. Vr is where the creatives have all gone. (Probably after they were laid off).
I love the Update. Looks so good for a Standalone Headset and i hope they do this for chapter 2 again!
I do like that some of the Skyboxes have been replaced with the skybox from Retribution (able to see The Tower in the distance) which you couldn't in the PSVR, Quest and Quest 2, it adds to the whole "The Tower sees all" that the game makes us believe
Yeah, the tower has a omnipresence feel. That is until you play retribution, play the story, and get to the ending.
@sixtacos oh definitely, retribution does kinda spoil that "We see all, we know all, no one can hide from us" vibe but I still love that, despite that feeling is ruined from Chapter 2, playing Chapter 1, I still feel that omnipresent vibe still
I’m a PSVR2 man and before you start hating on me just let me say that I’m happy for you mega quest 3 owners… happy that even tho this game is technically better and looks way better on PSVR2 that you all get to play an awesome game. S&S chap 1 is a really good game and you also don’t have a cord getting in your way
Played it 1st on pcvr with virtual desktop (no wires) so best of both worlds.
1st game was great, 2nd chapter sadly less so
@seriouslee247 lol, can't say I can get that worked up about different products
Playing this game genuinely made me think of getting PSVR2 later down the road. The dark and dimly lit part of the game with look amazing on a OLED.
@@sixtacos 1st owned a Q1, and boy do I miss those OLED blacks
The quality of the lesnes compltley negates the benefit of oled @@sixtacos
Thanks subbed , have some good co te t on your channel will be running in
..Thanks for the hard work
Appreciate it!
great video. Thanks for the info!
Definitely a nice update. I actually have this on Steam via a Humble Bumble VR bundle I got years ago. I played for an hour or so but never completed it. I have a Quest 3 and a PC with a RTX 3080 so I probably can run this maxed out with 120hz. Maybe I'll test it out. Great breakdown.
Great vid my friend! Thanks for the info.
No problem 👍
Would be cool if they added multiplayer and base building. Basically like 7 days to die (vr mod) but with VR native controls
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The number of increased walkers is no joke lol
Very happy with it on Quest 3 🎉
THANK YOU for pointing out what everyone seems to realize wifh Red Matter 2.
Red Matter 2 is the best looking game on standalone. Its very impressive visually and is a good game. However, people compare other games graphics-wise to it and they shouldnt. While still impressive and one of my favorites, it doesnt have a lot going for it in terms of movement on screen, physics, npcs, animations, effects, combat and other gameplay elements other games have. So it makes it easier for the game to focus on visuals.
With that said i will not be using it as the standard for other standalone games visually. But i was hoping for a bit more from the saints and sinners patch. But i think its gonna take a while for q3 to be fully utilized correctly. I will say i would have rather them focus on better ai than graphics. The human ai especially is still the worst ive ever seen in vr.
Your delusional. Red Matter 2 is an unparalleled technical achievement that stands the test of time where as this was groundbreaking in 2020 but in 2024….
Yeah, pretty much spot on with you on everything you said. As impressive as Red Matter 2 looks the devs knew the scope and limitations of the game. They cleverly understood what can be fully taken advantage of in a puzzle-driven game, that being graphics.
I am slightly disappointed with this update, but it's a step in the right direction. The next big step for this series is definitely AI and in-game interactions with NPCs. Or making an ever-expanding world with DLCs, the foundation is great just need more of it with improvements.
On a side note, I booted up Arizona Sunshine 2. Graphically that game looks better. However, like Red Matter 2 those devs knew the scope and limit. AS2 has more enemies but they run at a lower framerate as well as in-game objects. While TWD S&S runs them natively, they do run dynamic shadows at a lower resolution. Devs are learning the strengths of development on Quest on the go and it shows. The foundation of VR development isn't there so it certainly takes a while until it gets fully utilized. Even a first-party Meta dev studio Sanzaru Games wasn't ready.
Red Matter 2 was one of the very first games I tried on my Q3 and in some ways, it set the bar way too high in the graphics department.
I've just started playing S&S recently for the first time on the Q3 with the recent graphical updates; I've never experienced the pre-Q3-update vanilla version. I was purposefully biding my time before buying it until the updates arrived. I have to say I was originally a little disappointed with the visuals; however, after I've given the game a little more time, I'm starting to appreciate it for what it is. Playing through RM2 certainly didn't help; I wasn't completely naive. I knew it wouldn't reach the same bar but I was just felt spoilt with RM2 and it felt like a big come down. However, I am starting to appreciate some of the little visual elements in the game and as you've touched upon, the game dynamics and action are completely different; so there is a tradeoff between graphics and gameplay style.
It would be nice to see a game created for Q3 standalone from the ground up, taking full advantage of the hardware and the developers knowing exactly how far they can push it. Unfortunately, that could be quite some time and the Q2 user base is significantly larger than Q3. Reports also indicate that the Q2 was outselling the Q3 last Christmas by quite some margin with the price cuts to the Q2. Developers and Meta understandably have to cater to their largest user base and it would make terrible business sense to push them aside.
*They may get round to Retribution. Ya know once Skydance get their shlt together & FIX the damned game. Been over come April it will be an entire year since they last updated the frigging thing.*
Skydance Interactive does kind of need to step it up. With Arashi Castle of Sin and Chapter 2 Retribution my impression of them isn't super high. I don't think they have the teams or funding to take of development, despite raking in $100 million alone. As Retribution was released on behalf of Meta's paycheck. The teams have talent I just don't think the foundation and the time are given to them.
I haven’t touched Retribution. I won’t touch it until they fix it lol I want my first experience with it to be a good one.
Tried the quest 3 update didn't look that good then tried pcvr on quest 3 for the first time I was blown away
Yes that's rather obvious?
A mobile cpu/gpu vs a fully fledged PC.
Hi! Thanks for the video :) I wanted to ask you whether this graphic update is dedicated only for meta quest store purchase, or I can just buy the steam version and play it via e.g. link cable on my meta quest 3? Thanks for the answer :)
This update is intended for Q3 via standalone as for as I know. Any XR2 Gen2 headset could run it though. If you purchase the game on the Meta Quest storefront you get both the Quest version and PCVR version on the Oculus PC app. Using both versions I had no issues via Airlink on the Oculus PC app. You get both versions for the price of one. If you have the link cable it should run perfectly regardless of the platform.
The PCVR version is still the best version out of Quest and PSVR2. If you have a good rig it should be able to run it flawlessly.
They could have made it even higher graphics if not for the limited battery. I upped the resolution in quest game optimizer and the it went all the way up to 2500x_____ with smooth fps
So, I assume that Retribution doesn't offer the improvements yet, right?
No. They want to concentrate of polishing the bugs 1st imho
Not yet. I might be wrong but they seem to be taking a similar approach to how Sony does remasters, they are training their devs/team to improve standalone development. Lately, their recent releases haven't been stellar regarding performance and graphics.
Retribution is pretty much the same game, so they could most likely apply what we got here on Chapter 2. The only issues is the larger environments on Retribution but some fixed foveated rendering and optimization on LOD shouldn't hurt.
Looking good, in an odd way I loved the original aesthetic, that murky foggy look it has was very atmospheric, this looks a little to clean and sharp.
But that's just me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fair enough!
How do I play the update? Does it install itself on my Quest as soon as I buy it from the official store, is it already built into the game and installs it together? And if I'm going to use the sideloader, will it also work if the game has updated within the sideloader?
Yes, the graphical upgrade is automatically added to the Quest 3 version of the game. One way you can tell is in the main menu screen on the bottom if it says "version 2023" = old, and "version 2024" = new.
Another way to check if the update is installed is to go into the sewer system of the base at 4:34. If it mirrors the right side of the comparison it should be installed.
If you are sideloading the game it should work as long as you have the correct version installed and all files are up to date.
maybe, just maybe skydance gets their shit together and finally updates _Retribution_ for Quest3 now that Quest3S is coming out. If not now than it'll never be fixed, which would be a shame. I mean yeah the story is an unfixable mess, but I'd love to see the Tower-map/all the Nighttime-maps in actually decent. Also they should finally unlock all the quest-restricted areas like the parking lot in rampart, etc.
RIGHT! With Behemoth set to launch in 2024 and I'm over here still waiting for any updates to Retribution. Just thinking about the story makes me tight, and it being an unfixable miss is perfectly put. An enhanced graphical upgrade, DLC, or expansion would be 🤌.
I'm sure they'll do it at some point to increase sales, but on Skydance's timeline, it'll be quite a while.
I haven't had any issues. Maybe from you recording?
I did check that but it happened without recording as well, also found a thread where someone else had a similar issue to mine
Sooo my game still looks like what it did on quest 2, did it automatically update or will I have to do it manually
As the update went live for everyone on the 16th, it should be applied automatically. You should be able to see if the game updated correctly be visiting the store on the headset or notifications.
I first played this game on Quest 2 before I got my quest 3 I got a psvr 2 and once I played Walking Dead on the PlayStation there's no going back to the quest version
Or you can make the same argument backwards. Wired VR feel so outdated by now that once you go wireless theres no going back. And the graphics on standalone certainly look a lot closer to PSVR now.
@@andersontomas55 I would say I would agree but the PlayStation version has a lot more stuff in the game that you won't get on the quest like bodies missing or more zombies better lighting if you just like better graphics all around the PlayStation version is the way to play the game and I love my quest 3 I will say Quest is more comfortable than the PlayStation headset for me
Do shadows still "flicker" for people in some areas especially with the flashlight?
I just got my meta quest 3 today and I just played saints and sinners and didn’t have any issues with that
Is the update only visible on the quest three or is it also visible on the quest two?
I'm pretty sure it's only on Quest 3 as it renders twice as many more enemies in the environments.
didn't see any improvement, will there be more patches?
There should be more patches as there are slight performance hiccups in the catacombs. Regard a further graphical update I doubt it as this game is 3 years old now. Unless they REMASTER the game.
So is this just a single player story mode game ?
No multiplayer or co-op ?
Just single player, on the first playthrough this game has you on the edge of you guardian boundary.
The quest 3 update keeps crashing after the intro … really annoying
Interesting, I had the same bug with Chapter 2 retribution on launch. Just have to throw a hail mary the game actually starts.
@@sixtacos did it eventually just start working? I saw a statement from the devs saying they need to send out a patch as many people are having this issue
Does it also work with retribution 2?
No, but it should come later, as they updated a 3 year old game. Being that they are the same game it should look very similar. They could probably spend more time on the little details.
Oof, Skydance are one hit wonders. Saints and Sinners on PC was the only good release. Chapter 2 and the quest ports are all garbage.
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is the patch automatic or do u have to install it and if so how
Automatic, gets implemented with an update. If you go to setting and check the games install size and it crosses 8GB is should be installed.
i like uyr stile
thanks
I pre-ordered this game on PC with the collector's edition, and let me tell ya, I was severely disappointed.
Like so many VR games, if you take the VR aspect away and imagine you are playing it like a regular game, you start to realize that these games are NOT real games.
They are woefully incomplete, short, featureless, lacking in overall content and mechanics, and the list goes on.
Their excuse for all of these shortcomings is "Hey guys, it's VR, so it's okay that we didn't put any work into the actual game, beyond the VR aspect".
This update is only intended for Quest 3 via standalone as far as I know. If you purchase the game on Meta Quest storefront you get two games for the price of one. You get the standalone Quest version and the PCVR version on the Oculus PC app. I bought the game on both storefronts not knowing and using Airlink it runs flawless for me, link cable should run great.
@@sixtacos Yeah, no, I'm just talking about how lacking the game is, regardless of visuals. Like I said, I pre-ordered the collector's edition (which I think was only available on the PC), so I'm not talking about the visuals. The game looked just fine on my PC.
Imagine, for a moment, that this was a regular, non-vr game. It would be the most worthless, stale, small, incomplete piece of shit game that you have ever laid your eyes and hands upon.
But no, it's in VR, so that somehow makes it an acceptable excuse to be the contentless garbage that it is.
I know that's some mean criticism, but it's pretty sad that the only complete videogame we have on the Quest right now is a woefully censored version of a timeless classic that was made in 2005.
VR developers should be ashamed of themselves.
My bad my guy UA-cam messed up your comment with someone else's that I meant to respond to. Though I did respond it didn't work
I tend to agree that some games if they weren't in VR would absolutely fail because they are either below average or mediocre. Coupled with the fact that publishers and developers want to increase the price while not adding more content...Arizona Sunshine 2. Something I noticed early on was to take Steam VR reviews. A lot of the reviews praise VR games while having less than an hour of playtime. People are enamored by VR but after that wears off the headset collects dust.
I consider Asgards Wrath 2 to be the first true VR-fledged game, without using an existing successful flat-screen IP. Since, "games" build on top of each other Asgards Wrath 2 has a story, companions, a large world, dungeons, economy, traders, bosses, etc.
The one game that is beyond bad is The Foglands Quest port which is probably the worst game I played in 2023, but people left 4-5 stars despite being one of the laziest ports.
We are in an odd place where the hardware is good enough but now you have to convince your average Joe to go buy one. In order to increase the install base to make devs and publishers to make content. But, you point out some good criticism, as that's why I made this channel as I got tired of the "This VR game is AMAZING" videos. VR has its growing pains and letdowns, but man it made me fall in love with gaming and tech again.
We have to pray Gorilla tag kids out-grow their monkey phase and once they get older drive the industry forward. Similar to how gaming was seen as a kid thing then those kids became adults and bought PC/Console with their own money increasing the market.
Damn srry for the essay
But how do you buy the version for Meta Quest 3
Just go to the game and it should say update
@@Coi15 it' s free?
@@gabrielgallo4563 yea
Is it coming to retribution?
A Q3 update should eventually come, but it's a question of when. As the dev is currently making another game called Behemoth.
oh man, i still prefer the quest 2 (more comfortable, better controllers, definitely better lenses) but this looks great too
I agree with the controller part. But, DUDE the pancake lenses its night and day. Q2 is like having Vaseline rubbed inside your eyes (not like I would know hehe). Everything looks insanely sharp with the upgrade.
Psvr2 version is way better. Nearly as good as PCVR . Very little difference between psvr2 and PCVR. But quest 3 still looks very poor
You talking about PS5 vs. Quest 3 and oh wonder, PS5 wins...
For a Mobile Prozessor this Game looks really good, nearly close to the ps4 pro PSVR version and this alone is amazing.
@@playsianer7918Agree. Rather brainless comment by OP.
It's medium to low PC settings. That's amazing
Maybe they should sort the steam version out first!! Absolute joke that!!! Unusable on quest
Weird. I played it on PC with virtual desktop on a Q2.
Brilliant experience with little to no issues
@@stuartburns8657 how?? I can't get it working? The control bindings don't have a sprint option on any!
@@SteVen-v6u4k Hmm, seem to recall being able to sprint but at the cost of stamina.
You press down on the movement stick.
I'd forgotten I also brought the Quest version (pc was via steam) and just installed it to see Quest 3 update.
I felt it was pretty impressive.
Could also sprint.
@@stuartburns8657 ahh that will be why, no sprint on the steam version! It's depressing walking around that slow!
@@SteVen-v6u4k No that's not (or wasn't) the case you could definitely sprint.
I've not done pcvr since getting the Q3, so if I get a chance I'll load it up and let you know
72 ! buy the other game. It runs hundreds of zombies on screen at 120 fps
It feels cheap the other one with the zombie respawn time too aggressive.
You just clear and area, turn around and they back
@@stuartburns8657 interesting why do you say that? They dont respawn. they get behind you because they move about
This game runs and looks so much better on psvr2.
I think the patch was over sold in my opinion 👎🏽 they even pushed it back for a month to launch now instead of December I wanted the pcvr version don’t care if it was huge
Definitely, not the greatest patch but good at best. Since the game at its core is a PC game, it suffers from being a downgraded port of the original.
This is pretty disappointing
didnt even know about this update and i logged in and i was like why is it so smooth?