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Changing the flush valve seal on an American Standard Champion 4 toilet. It's a very simple fix.
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Thanks for this. It helped me replace the valve in mine. Mine was doing exactly what you described at the start of the video. Seems to have fixed my problem.
Just installed a new champion 4 and found that it was leaking into the bowl. Couldn't be the gasket since it was new. Turns out it was the little black screw connector not being seated correctly between the notches. That should be the first check if your champion 4 is refilling constantly.
Sir, the dome needs to be placed properly with the slot and raised section on the bottom to match, if not properly matched it will not seal properly. Also the small o-ring on the section that you screwed off should be changed at the same time. It will also cause a slow leak. It should be screwed in till you hear a click which places it in the slotted lock on the top.
Yes! This was the key for me. Didn't realize at first that anything needed to be lined up. Kept failing until I lined them up.
yup, this is key! thanx for the pointing it out, helped me for sure!
Julie Gilmore down below has the smart answer on how to stop this %$^&*() American Standard Champion 4, which I am renaming the American Standard Loser 4, from refilling itself every frigging night!!! The company fails to tell anybody that if the slots are not aligned on the two green plastic parts that sandwich the washer, the seal will not hold tight. You'd think one of the nation's largest toilet makers would be proactive enough to let consumers know how to fix their crappy design.
Michael Pollick I can empathize with you. I am tired of this effed up design. The seals will leak every year and I’ve bought the original ones from a professional plumbing store. AND I still get the ghost leaks too; straight into the drain. They need to not name his crap American; it’s a travesty.
I did all this and it still 'ghost' leaks. It didn't make sense as I had another identical toilet which was installed at the same time and have not had this problem. Logic said it had to be something else. When I compared the workings of the two toilets, I noticed the 'problem' toilet had a wobble in the green cap, but the toilet without the problem was firmly seated. I took it apart again and noticed that the underside of the green cap has notches, so logic said they were for some purpose. I noticed that the unit to which the cap would sit had flanges on the inside. I lined up the notches, it didn't have a wobble, put the assemble together, and.....guess what?...yep, no longer leaking. Just turning the green cap until it 'pops' did not do the trick, but lining it up correctly to make sure it is seated BEFORE tightening the green cap screw made all the difference....and saved me about $30 and lots of aggravation.
ps: I'm female and 71 years old. If I can do this, anyone can! Good luck.
Thank you for this bit of information. Hopefully this fix my problem
Just flip the ring. The contour creates a memory in the gasket and if you flip it, you have a solid seal again! it happens about 2-3 years even with a new one, So just flip it when it starts. I have done this with the same gasket now twice and every time it resolves the issue.
L:ast June I became aware of a driping problem, I at first thought it was a leak in the wall for it sounded as if it was coming from the right of the toilet. after extenisive trouble trouble shooting I shut the vaule fptr the feed of the toilet and found the driping stoped. (at last I found my problems found) but it was just the begining, after replaceing the repair kit The water in the tank was getting lower and lower. i called American Standard and they sent me a total replacement kit. Problem was not repaired, I called American Standard and they sent me a total replace value , even with a new replacement asembly. water was still getting lower and lower. In frustration I shut off water value and found water level lowered to the top of the twist cap on top of cover of replacement kit. so I tighten the screw top again , same results water was still lowering , Out of frustation I wrapped the top O ring with 2 strips of Teflon tape and snuged wing nut. (Problem Solved.) FYI if water in your tank heeps gettig lower and lower , just add some teflon tape to wing nut and see what happens. Bet it fixes the problem. Mario
Thanks for the video. The black screw on top snaps into place and can take a bit of force to loosen. After I removed my old gasket, I noticed that mine too had developed little bubbles or blisters in a couple spots. I just lanced the bubbles with a pin (going through one side of the bubble only, and lancing from the top surface that does not mate with the gray flange), then squirted out the water in the bubbles. I cleaned all the mating surfaces with tissue paper, then reassembled making sure to match up the tabs on the top/bottom green parts. The toilet was fixed at no cost within 5 minutes of watching this video!
Mine doesn’t have the black cap. How do I remove it?
I have this same toilet and it leaks. I felt underneath the seal and it has a bump, I "think" that just maybe it was installed the wrong way, because it leaks at that point because the bump is facing downward which prevents a good seal. I REVERSED the seal so the 'bump is facing UP and this solved the problem! Hope this helps someone with the same problem. Thanks for showing how to disassemble the seal unit.
Thank you SO much! I was so tired of hearing the water leaking out and the tank filling up again. Very easy to do after watching your video.
Looks pretty simple to fix. Ours started off as a slow leak and now it's insane. Water Co threatened to shut our water off because of the drought. So we just keep the water off at all times and if we absolutely have to use the toilet we turn the water back on.Any hoot I'm going to buy the seal at HomeDepot. Anyone have a preference on brand or are they pretty much all the same as far as quality goes? We bought the toilet last year so I'm pretty upset that it already has an issue. Thank you in advance! :-)
Buy a Toto.
we have a problem with our American standard champion 4 when ever you flush the toilet the ( flapper center or flush valve) it holds up in mid air and does not drop down and we have to raise the lid and drop it by hand any help on that?
Wonderful! After months of trying to figure out how to get to the seal, this video showed the right way. We found the red ring at Lowes for $5.99.
My house has one full bathroom and one half bathroom. In March of 2011 I had two American Standard toilets installed, one in each bathroom. Both simultaneously start leaking and refilling at about the same time. I can safely say that the lifespan of the original tank seal in 4.5 years. I have wiped down the seal several time but the leaking persists. Your video has been a great help. Thanks, and happy flushing/tank refilling.
thanks bud for the info, great stuff....appreciate when a person takes the time to tell how to fix something so simple. Take care.
Got it! The only thing i noticed was there were groves in the bottom of the green top that fit in to the bottom valve. Yep, only took about 15 min. So far so good. Thanks for the great video!
Soooo...everyone found this that easy?!!? i've done this 20 times and it still won't stop leaking. i also can't take the thing off like you show in the video. Any hints on getting that thing seated?
+mlubin001 Check to make sure the area you are trying to get seated is smooth.
SAME omg I hate this pos toilet lol
Could not get this seal from any of the local stores so I used the Korky product. Followed the video but it still leaked! There is a little trick to it. Check out the Korky video you'll see what I mean. In any case, it is now perfect. Flush away!!!
Big shout out to the Workshop Addict, toilet was driving me crazy with that refill, this worked like a charm. Thanks!
That is so awesome that we were able to help. Thank you for the comment. I love reading that our videos help people out.
Reversing rubber seal is good idea. Works well.
Flapper is clam-shell design. Ribs on one half and slots on the other. When you reassemble be sure ribs fit into slots.
Clam halves are held together by center screw plug. It makes popping sound
about every revolution as you tighten. Try 2 or 3 sets of pops. If ghost-flushing
starts again, tighten some more to stop leaking. Use pliers if needed.
Thank you! Just recently started having a leak on my champion 4 max... excellent to see that this is quite cheap and quick to fix. Thanks!
Thank you for this tip! On my way to HD now to pick up replacement seal.
O ring on removeable wing nut sometimes does not seal tighr, add a strip or two of teflon tape around O ring and replace wing nut for repair.
Wow, I can't believe this is super old! This toilet sucks from first flush.
What do I do if my screw off broke, so I went to Lowes and bought the entire new valve. The problem is within a week or so, the water started leaking through the washer and the toilet every fills up each time it happens.
The new valve didn't come with a "screw on top". It's all one piece. So I can't even take the tank off again and replace the washer.
Like others below, I was worried about breaking the cap off when unscrewing because it was very tight and seated between two raised notches. Turn the cap counter clockwise with a bit of force and it will come off without breaking. I removed the seal, noticed, like others below, blisters in the rubber seal. I had 2 blisters. I used a small needle to poke just the surface of the blister and out squirted a bit of water. I put the rubber seal back in place, aligned the top and bottom green plastic parts, screwed the cap on, and now the toilet is no longer leaking. I'm not sure how long this will last before I either have to buy a new seal or re-pop a few blisters, but the fix was about 5 minutes lid-off to lid-on and cost me nothing. So thanks for making the video and to all those who commented as well.
Matthew Schiefer I can't even get it unscrewed. How did you do it? or am I just not strong enough? It is so tight and won't budge.
Ha! I found a blister on the seal after reading your comment. Popped it and now all is well. Thanks a million for posting your comment here!!
I needed to use a pair of pliers.
Worst toilet in my house, It’s a crappy flush and you only get one try. Replacing this raised flush valve with a proper one. This is what happens when hippies design toilets
This video is about six years old I guess, and I see a lot of complaints in the comments about poor design in this area. This model is still for sale, I just bought one but haven't installed it yet. Anyone know if American Standard has changed the design at all on the current models to fix the problem?
They have sold out of the poor seals and seem to be going in the right direction.
Call american standard and they will send the parts for free. Had to wait a couple of weeks but free is free. I think they said a lifetime or at least 10 year warranty on these things.
Yes, that is a great point. I didn't know the warranty, but when I called about replacing some other part that I had an issue with, they didn't even ask any questions besides how long ago did you buy it. I told them it was years ago, and they said, no problem....where can we send the part.
With that, they earned a customer for life.
Thanks for the info. It worked for me like a charm. Home Depot had the Korky seal that fit for about 6 bucks. I did not know how to unscrew flapper until this video. Thanks for your instruction
Before you replace the seal, try taking it off and flipping it over. It worked like a charm for me.
I couldn’t see which brand flapper seal he used. Anyone catch which one he used?
This flapper is quite difficult to pop up.
Well this vid was posted 5 yrs ago and our toilet is older than that, I'm guessing. I was an expert res plumber until '05 and never saw something this wide. Maybe I just don't remember. I certainly never remember working on it so maybe that's a testament to how good that system actually is. Ours hasn't leaked but the handle went south and cracked off after weeks of creaking and cracking sounds.
Eeewwww...gate valve! LOL I need to find out how to get rid of that assembly and put a much easier flushing system in place-like a regular fluid master with regular flapper and regular Douglas valve.
Thanks for the vid!
I have the same flush valve but the top hat does not have a screw on fitting like yours how do I get it off ?
How do you adjust the float mechanism in the American Champion so it does not keep running and it also starts running on it's own. The part that looks like a long screw will not turn right or left to shorten the distance on the flange needed to keep the toilet from continually filling.Thank you.
Janet Nowell The long screw should turn with the aid of a screwdriver. It does turn a little hard. I know that it is very difficult for me to turn with my fingers. This is how you adjust the float and should keep it from continually filling. If the unit starts filling on its own, then that means you are loosing water somewhere. Either through the flush valve seal or possibly between the connection between the tank and bowl. I had that issue on one of mine. I mis-seated the bowl and tank. This last possibility is something that I would check last.
To check your flush valve seal, you can tank the tank cover off and listen for water dripping. You can also check to make sure the plastic nut that holds the flush valve seal is tight. I just messed with mine the other day and when I took it apart to look at it and then put it back together, I didn't turn it past the couple clicks and it was leaking by. I took it back apart, reseated it and made sure it was tight. Stopped leaking.
Good luck and let me know if you have any issues.
Thank you for this. I find it pathetic that mine needs to be replaced after only 8 months. A.S. should be the one paying for this replacement.
+yubertuber1 Did you contact them and let them know?
+WorkshopAddict No I did not. It's been leaking for a month now. I wonder if they'd send the new seal.
If you have a receipt or proof of purchase, AS says it is guaranteed for 10 years and will replace it free. I just talked to them.
If you are looking for the specific part numbers for the champion 4 they are located here: www.plumbingsupply.com/americanstandardtoiletparts-champion4.html#champ4
Thank you so much! I didn't realize you had to remove the threaded nut, to release plastic top piece. Thank you, again!!!
Toilet doesn’t flush as strong u think a new flapper will
Help
Your arm is blocked no the whole view. Not helpful
Outstanding! I took mine apart and found that the seal in question had developed water bubbles in a 5 different spots. It's kinda like the seal is starting to "delaminate". Anyways, I popped the bubbles, drained the water out of them, reassembled, and ordered a new one. I also ordered the small o-ring for the retainer screw cap that is attached to the chain. American Standard is sending these to me free...no questions asked. Thanks for the video!
Wow I'm shocked
Purched BRAND NEW champion 4 toilet at lowes 2 weeks ago and plumber installed and said canister was leaking I was stunned.
So watched ton of videos and realized what problem was. Got new valve seal from lowes and worked immediately. I will do follow up post in couple months to see how it progresses.
Tx again for all your great help.
Oh and like your video suggests make sure to line up groves on poppet.
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Fixed this issue but created another. The water fills but slowly recedes below flush level. What can I do to fix this?
You have a dirty or leaking valve still.
the new model no longer has a black nut on top no clue how to remove the seal
Thank you for posting this helpful video
Bubbles form in the blue gasket. Over time it slowly absorbs water into the gasket material to form these bubbles. You can get a new gasket from manufacturer for free if you still have receipt. Use sharp point if scissors to pop bubbles and seal will work temporarily until you get a new one!
it is a factory defect..i had a different model, but they are all champion 4's its probably out of warranty, but i caused a fuss on their facebook page and they sent me the warranty replacement for free... you will replace the insides.. easy to do.. there are other videos on it...
You just need new tank parts often. Don't last a year.
Thanks! You just saved me a Plumber's bill. Wonderful Video.
There was a little red "O" ring in the kit also. It goes on the nut that is removed to get the green thing off. You didn't mention if this was worth replacing. I figured since it was there in the kit I would replace it while I was there.
This was a huge help for me in trying to figure out how to get the flapper off my American Standard 4 Max toilet, which leaks after only 6 months from install. Since everything seems to be plastic I was afraid I would break something, but this video showed me the exact steps required to disassemble and replace the flapper. Keep up the good work. It's videos like this that help us home owners out here save money and get things fixed faster. Thanks so very much.
Thanks for your video. I replaced the seal on my toilet for the same reason ~~ I heard the drip, drip, drip of water leaking into the bowl. The problem is, the NEW seal is now doing the same thing! Any suggestions?
my brand new toilet is doing it! let me go check the seal, hope its just dirty since I just bought the darn thing! why am I yelling!!
AM UNABLE to remove the top nut, it sits between a block on either side of its wings
This video was very helpful . One thing to add . You have to make sure the replacement ring/ rubber is set correctly . I watched the video and changed mines but had to figure out how to sit the rubber in correctly . Great video tho thanks for showing me how to change it
Also my toilet has the exact same mildew/mold spots on the back of the tank as well. Weird.
Supposed to be one of the best on the market, but you take the lid off and see all the brittle plastic parts. I doubt whether any of the competitors are much better unless you spend $$$$.
Only 1/3 of the tank empties if I release the lever immediately so it won't adequately flush solid waste.
Thank you John. You just saved me a bunch of money. So I bought a six pack and toasted you when I cracked it open. Keep up the great work.
The screw on ours turns. I just replaced the gasket on ours, but had to do it 2x as it can't be flush with the green piece, it has to go right on the line or it won't allow the water to fill the tank
awesome thanks for the video, I'm a plumber but have never serviced these types of flush towers, for the exception of the Kohler style,which I prefer.
Thanks for the video. Didn't know you could just get the seal, thought you needed the whole assembly. Got the gasket and now fixed. Thanks!
It worked as he said but it was a little harder to unscrew the top. Unscrew over a ridge counterclockwise.
That fill valve sounds like its filling pretty slow that will be next!! But good video
I have a 5 year old American Standard toilet which keeps leaking from the tank into the toilet I bought a toilet flush valve it didn't work, I bought a flapper it didn't work, I bought another flash valve it did not work, can someone please help me I am going crazy.
Ricardo Hernández Hello Ricardo. I found the rubber seal from my upper tank and lower bowl was pinched on one of my American Standard and that is where it was leaking from. Try taking the tank off of the bowl and see if that seal is pinched. I was really surprised when I saw what was happening. I hope this helps.
Thanks John. It solved my problem! :) Great instruction.
So helpful! I couldn't figure out how to get the flusher part apart to get at the seal. Thank you!
How did this hold up? Did it solve your running water?
Still good, solved everything
nowhere can I find a store that actually carries the seal - has anybody found the seal in store? I see you said the Korky works - no issues? I think I have an issue with this + my fill valve - are the Fluidmaster fill valves that come standard usually junk too?
OK I got it, instead of lifting the "poppet assembly" and holding it one hand (as in the directions froMm American Standard), while I tried to turn the wing nut, I find I have much better torque by leaving the gasket in place in the toilet and then turning the screw.! Anyway you have the best (if not the only) directions on the web!
changed mine but it leaks worse than it did with the old seal. This is the 2nd one I have tried to fix. I have three of these units in my house. The other I had to replace the entire flush system in order to fix the leak.
Thanks for the help!!! Fixed my toilet this morning...
check your gasket for air bubbles ,I had 5 bubbles in my gasket so I popped them with a pin ,reinstalled and the leak is gone
Thanks - I found an air bubble on my gasket, popped it, and now leak is gone. :)
I wonder if you have the same problem changing toilet seats on my American standard. You can't hardly change the bolt for the seat on the left side, because the casting is so thick and narrow. The right side is fine, but the left can turn into a 2 day project, and severe mental distress.
Way to place the camera so I can't see a thing you're doing. Stick to plumbing, forget about being a videographer!
I noticed water coming out of the bottom of the refill tube. Is that a leak which could be causing the problems.
The bottom, yes. Maybe the refill tube is broke?
Thanks so much! Happy to know I don't need to spend a fortune on a plumber.
Amazon sells this replacement seal for around $5 (American Standard 7301111-0070A Flush Valve Seal Kit)
the handle won't lift the upper part of the flush valve due to a combination of suction and head pressure. It is a lemon of horseshit design by a fleet of incompetent consultants and execs.
Like the video. I have the same problem. where did you buy the seal?
+Rudy De La Luz Jr. Home Depot or Lowes will have them.
You just saved me a lot of time. Thank you!
replacing o ring and cleaning plastic surface seals also recommended
Seems like a good toilet but it doesn't flush properly if the lever is released like any normal toilet. How do I adjust it or is this model meant to allow the flapper to immediately drop into place...?????
+Bruce Little Hello Bruce. It is supposed to immediately drop into place. The trapway is much larger than the older toilets and with that, all of the water that you need to flush it rushes out very quickly. With the old ones, you needed that longer time to get all of the water out of the tank.
+WorkshopAddict I have the same issue. I have 2 of these toilets. One flushes no problem. The other one closes too fast and not enough water gets through. So you end up with 1/2 a flush. How do you adjust it to make it stay up longer.
I have a 12 year old you can't seem to hold the handle down for 1 second to ensure everything goes down. I'm constantly haven't to go back and REFLUSH the toilet. The other one has no issues.
+Mike Colburn Try moving the chain's attachment point to the end of the flush lever. It should allow the valve to raise up higher and thus stay up longer. This is an educated guess, but it's what I would do in that situation.
When I unscrewed the rod, it fell down and disappeared. I have no idea where it went. Do I need to remove the tank to find it? Or did it go all the way down into the sewer?
Hard to say. Can you flush a good amount of toilet paper without it plugging? Test to see if the stick stops a flush.
I haven't had any trouble with flushing. I suppose it's long gone! American Standard told me that the flush valve is broken if the rod fell, so I will have to replace it anyway.
Very helpful; thanks.
Thank you,,, you made it easy.
Thank you. Very helpful!
Had this same problem and did the exact same thing. Toilet is still leaking. I can hear a slight drip if I stand right next to the tank. Any suggestions?
***** not leaking to the outside of the tank. it was set over two years ago and never had a problem. i can hear the water drip inside the toilet tank. when i jiggle the handle to pull vacuum on the flapper it seats it differently and stops the drip.
+Papa Bear Is it leaking? Or is the water level too high and going down the over flow? I had the same issue (out of the box), I had to lower the water level just slightly and it fixed it.
On the top it has 2 ridges, I'm afraid I'm going to break it. Is there a trick to get to release?
+Tim Lange , I am having the same problem that you described. Were you ever able to figure it out?
+Joe Pratico yes I did. Basically don't be scared and just turn it. I had to twist hard and it gave and it was easypeezy.
Good ol' Pittsburgh Potty.
thank you. you're a world hero
that looks really easy! thank you
Thanks for the tip. Worked just as described.
Any clogging or lever issue?
Kinshun Mui I have not had any clogging issues or lever issues. I bought this unit for its ability to not clog and I have been happy with it.
Thanks bro. It help me out for real.
Sorry, it wasn't my best placement.
Thanks! Very helpful. Just changed the seal and it was super quick!
The black thing in the middle of the green flapper isn't a screw. I can't get it to turn
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Thank you!