I also emulate Nintendo games but the only difference is I have the original copies and I don't do it in a toxic way while the complainers harass and attack casual gamers for enjoying switch games on switch hardware. I'm on both sides
Have you heard about the Chazington situation? His my favorite UA-camr until he's videos are completely gone because of the False ""Copyright"" Strikes by a notorious user, I really need to spread the word about this information so he get so much support. It's so upsetting that this situation happened because of this disturb individual and UA-cam broken system :(
Man this is sad. I love Yuzu and being able to dump a game i bought into an emulated console that i also bought and they still do this is bs. I hope this brings to light new laws that protect this
Yeah thats basically what happened and why people started using VPN. People got caught pirating Nintendo games and they sent a letter to isp about it. They monitor their packages and force you to delete it or the isp will take hostile actions against you.
Yeah and only galaxy was the only one of the 3 I played on switch that didn't feel so input lagged. 64 and to a lesser extent sunshine had horrible input lag on 3d all stars. I can get smooth emulation on a android phone of those two games with a wired controller and it'll have no latency compared to all stars
@@LucasCunhaRochaExactly. Stealing is depriving another of their property without permission. You aren't removing anything from Nintendo by making a copy of something. They just feel entitled to your money if you are enjoying their game but even then, they want to format shifting a game you own (say you bought and dumped a copy of the game, your keys, and the firmware on your device) to be illegal by attempting to shut down Yuzu.
Windows dev team's “developments” don't facilitate piracy. It is the 3rd parties making cracks that bypass the DRM. Whereas Yuzu team's “developments” directly facilitate piracy without the need for 3rd party bypasses. Nintendo's console is their DRM.
@@comfortable_east Not really. You still have to dump the real console. However, from I experience I can tell you it's easier to make it run under fake numbers lol
Yeah it sucks but it's the truth I've been around since Nintendo the first Nintendo you know and I'll tell you one thing there's some games that you can't find and if you can find them you'll need a system for it where you're paying out the ass. And we're talking about a game that is 30 years old or older. When it becomes that I mean really come on who gives a crap now I understand a new game shouldn't be stolen right makes sense. But eventually that video game will be 30 years old and other people will want to play it. It's about the future which is looking pretty grim
Correct. A game you do own tho. But for that you have to own the game in the first place - meaning as much as: Games from Ubisoft, EA or any other company that only sells you a limited license for the past 15 years, telling you that you're not buying a product in advance are not applicable to it.
@nerevar8823 It is the same. Intent percentages change on who will use the software for piracy, but bot can pirate. Might as well sue Microsoft for allowing Yuzu. Hope they don't, Linux it'll be
@nerevar8823no, but it gives you the tools to do the emulators in their platform, so they the root of the problem according to nintendo logic, old series and tv shows that where lost because the film was lost have been saved from piracy, are the owners of these movies going to sue video players because they can run their pirated tv shows and movies, emulators are made to run not just games because is a concept to preserve anything that can be digitilized, is yuzu is only capable of running switch games why that exclusivity matters?, their are not saying look pirate games!, their are saying that they have an option for this games to be run and that if you have better hardware that the platform itself you can run this games even better, if people use it for pirated games it doesnt matter, just like video player can run a pirated movie.
if Nintendo wins, then movie companies can start suing Windows Media Player because it can play pirated movies. they're clearly doing this to just bleed the developers dry, like what Sony did to Bleem.
Nintendo would obvious argue it's different because they own the source code of the concepts. The real question is how they let guys like Capcom get away with emulation of there consoles for stuff like the MegaMan legacy collection.
@@bpcgos well yes but it does need a real switches description key to open the games so I could see Nintendo arguing that the only way to use the software is to commit a crime by circumventing there description that is protected by the dmca laws. Sure seems lost on that ground to aklaim many years ago but that was also when the tech was new while these thing after years of lobbying are nowadays are taken far more serious. Sorry got the comment mixed up with a different one. But my point is not entirely wrong as the nes and SNES both also had copyright protection systems. Tho that is properly not a problem for Capcom as long as they still had there original source files and didn't needed to rip them from models
@@entryofemotion12 but it's for your benefit, they are providing you with an emulator you can use to play old video games. And said video games are nintendos intellectual property so they have the right to dictate how they get emulated
>Emulation is legal by court precedent >Reverse Engineering is legal by court precedent >The Digital Millennium Copyright Act has exceptions for this kinda stuff >Yuzu didn't even distribute the game that they "pirated", just a how to on dumping a ROM, which is a required thing for their emulation. Is Nintendo smart and trying to play chicken with Yuzu, or are they *that dense* on emulation that they don't even know the law?
@@pocketsizedweeb I feel like if this is true, they're wasting money. You can't just remove precedent by snapping your fingers, even if you are rich like Nintendo.
They might be trying to tie up Yuzu in legal fees, or otherwise hinder their progress simply by barraging them with lawsuits. Yuzu is made up of people, after all, and people can crack... Winning may not even be the point.
well if you watched the video, notice that Nintendo never touch emulator (or reverse engineering). They basically just use leak, piracy, how to use yuzu (like dumping prod key bla bla bla) for their basis of lawsuit. The crazy part in the lawsuit is secondarily liable for act of the pirates which Yuzu dev cannot even control.
In Finland, the copyright organization gets a cut of every piece of rewritable media because of the POSSIBILITY of storing copyrighted material, it's nonsense. Like hard drives and SD cards cost more just because the copyright system is broken no matter what country you're in...
Is that cd player designed to circumvent a specific copyright protection set in place by a copyright holder? If yes , then yes this is exactly like that.
There are older games on some consoles where NO KNOWN WORKING COPY STILL EXISTS, without emulation, 99% of releases by anybody would be doomed to be lost to time.
They also make crappy devices to run these games on. Here in Canada a new switch OLED is $449 plus tax. Which is roughly around $500 💀 almost as much as a ps5 slim
Nintendo, along with movie companies and various other Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) enforcers, isn't genuinely targeting emulation or piracy; their aim is to suppress archivists. Pirates engage for enjoyment, while emulator creators, media player developers, and skilled coders and decoders advocate for universal access to media and games, supporting the concept of a global archive. Big business resists archives, fearing they might counter subpar content. The threat to them lies in archivists maintaining large, independent storage, enabling access to superior material from the past, preventing coercion into consuming inferior, newly produced content. Their fear isn't emulators or pirates but individuals owning, archiving, and passing down legacy material.
I wanna thank Nintendo for educating more people about Yuzu and Ryiujinx. Now more people can enjoy their Switch games at higher resolutions and frame rates! 👏👏👏
@@jayblueridgesumilhig so Mario Bros Wonder doesn’t look beautiful? Wait let me choose and order game, so Mario Kart 8 doesn’t look beautiful? Smash bros doesn’t look beautiful? Stop blaming the hardware, it’s all about the developers and how good they are. Blizzard made Diablo 3 run at 60fps and in handheld mode. Don’t blame the hardware so your lack of skills. Just sayin’ bruh….
Didn't happen with Disney, didn't happen with GeoHot, didn't happen with Take-Two, didn't happen with Sony a kajillion times. The only thing that will happen is for them to settle out of court. Unless Yuzu hopefully has gathered enough money from subscribers to put into the lawsuit, which I hope they did.
You realize there's a high possibility Nintendo's going after yuzu first is BECAUSE people don't stfu about it right? If anything the Streisand effect will cause other emulators to get the axe next if Nintendo can prove this illegality in court. Seriously emulators, romsites, etc. would last a lot longer if people would just stfu about them and stop acting like the major use of emulation is "gaming preservation". Snesorama? People wouldn't stfu about it. Emuparadise? People wouldn't stfu about it, and neither could EP itself like idiots. There's one website and I'm not saying which one, that's outlasted them and even has Nintendo games hosted... because people keep their mouths shut about it.
In 1991 Sega v. Accolade and Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo ruled that reverse engineering consoles and cartridges is legal, and it's apparently allowed by the DMCA act
This sounds a lot like that one lawsuit where the copyright mafia sued some guy over ripping his own bluray and watching it using plex or vlc. Hopefully this goes to trial and sets a precedent that emulators aren't piracy just the like the bluray case did.
The thing is: there have already been trials setting the precedent that emulation isn't piracy. Sony tried multiple times to sue ps1 emulators, and failed everytime. Nintendo has no groud to stand on.
@@albertfanmingo Except that no, those lawsuit was about comparative advertising ON an emulator, not really the emulator itself (meaning it is still on a gray area)
@@FunnyParadox everything I've read about it (its been a few years so take everything with a grain of salt) says they were directly about the emulator as the company directly went to Sony showing they were able to copy the ps1 hardware on computer hardware using custom software and officially ripped BIOS and Sony didn't like that (edit:) I believe they were trying to get a job at Sony or try to get a porting service up IIRC it was late 90's and it was found that Sony can't do crap because the software used didn't use ANY Sony code, it was all custom that simply used a copy of the bios from the ps1, which due to licensing and archiving rights, we, as customers, as long as we have the hardware, can rip, copy, and use, as long as we don't distribute, paid or otherwise, illegally. Which means (again, as far as i know and its been a while since ive looked all this stuff up) if we have a friend who also owns the game, we can give them a copy, because they own the hardware/liscense and were basically only doing a service of ripping FOR them, not distributing TO them, because they already own it, and the only difference between us dumping it for them, and letting them borrow the means to dump it, is negligible
@@albertfanmingo Precedents can be overturned as they are not a matter of law, but of only precedent. Especially when some of those old cases that were settled are now decades old and the world has changed drastically since then. Thinking a judge can't overturn those past rulings due to how different the technological landscape is today is unwise. Again, precedents can be overturned
Emulation has never been found as fraud in the history of video game lawsuits. It’s literally a way of preserving history at this point. If Nintendo manages to sway people into thinking that “emulation is stealing” then video game history is in serious trouble. Fun fact: Nintendo was found to have grabbed an emulator copy of Super Mario Bros off the internet due to coding found in the files that are the exact coding files used in a super Mario bros emulation copy found online.
I mean, if this shi goes down in court and yuzu comes out clear on the emulation "charges" It might still get a sentence on the Patreon stuff, who knows let's wait and see, but something's tells me they might not come out fully unscathed
@@standoidontwantalastname6500 The game's code should be the same, yes. But the smoking gun in that case was a header created specifically for dumping NES roms. If someone was dumping multiple cartridges of the same game, this header would contain slightly different info for each cart. But no, the one that was found in the VC copy of the game was the exact same header (again, something created by those dirty, dirty pirates) that is found in the widely distributed rom found on pirate sites.
@@boyishdude1234no matter how many times they sue people someone will be brave enough to make a new emulator. Its like a war lol but like you said they have all the money to just throw at legal fees until the other person is done, its risky for the next person but people won't stop.
@@boyishdude1234 Nintendo can maybe get the government to outlaw emulation entirely. But even that won't stop sh!t. Just ask the FBI how effective their hunt for the founders of pirate bay was. Just like piracy, emulation will continue to thrive. Best idea is too release games on PC itself like XBOX and Sony. There's money to be made, even in Japan PC gaming is growing.
They have been hit with a C&D due to the bios/source code being included in Dolphin. This is why the steamdeck version didn't come out or was changed. It was a big story last year so I don't remember all the details.
Because legally Nintendo can't do shit, as long as there is no original code from Nintendo in the emulator they have no ground to stand, kinda like how this is going to play out. As long as yuzu doesn't provide keys or firmware they are in the clear.
@@nojuanatall3281 No they didn't get hit with a C&D. Last I checked, Valve asked Nintendo before they allowed Dolphin on Steam and Nintendo said no because it had encryption keys. There wasn't any bios included in Dolphin. Dolphin still being developed to this day.
@@YoBoiSyntechnically, dolphin does include the decryption key found on the Wii in it's code, which is also why it was cease and desisted for its official steam release. Which honestly just kinda goes to show that their prod.key argument for yuzu is pretty phoney, since it's not even included.
Seems like Nintendo wants more power over game distribution and emulation is just another obstacle that they want to eliminate. It’s all about control.
Nintendo doesn't want piracy. It's that simple. It's insanely easy and accessible to download Ryujinx or Yuzu, set it up in like 20 minutes, and bam you're playing Nintendo games for free. The next nintendo gen is probably going to have backwards compatibility, and if that includes upscaling / increased fps on old games, that puts an even bigger target on the back of emulating current consoles. They don't want to compete to sell their own games.
@@Gala_KM yuzu and ryujinx do not enable you to illegally play nintendo games unless you go one step further and illegally download (or debatably illegally dump your own) games. Which you can do on your own without the emulators, and the emulators don't assist in or have anything to do with that process. The emulators themselves are not illegal.
True, but lets be honest here. 99% of people use emulators illegally. But i dont blame that on the pirates. Nintendo and other company's should make it easier to play newer and especially older games. Nintendo wants to force you to buy their shittier hardware and you know what fuck them.
@ction2068 99% is an exaggeration of course but even so, how many of those would have bought the games? Yes, it's still illegal and is a crime, but the reasons these companies usually state for going against piracy almost always never hold water.
This is the correct answer. All these circlejerkers blaming Nintendo when they're the ones at fault for supporting them. But they can't get away from playing their games.. they just love to whine and bitch. In reality, no one outside online communities give 2 f's.
Hey now, both Xbox and PlayStation would be like this if their consoles were so easy to emulate. Remember that Sony sued Blame (PS1 emulator) back in the day, and even if emulators remained legal, Blame went bankrupt because of the expenses
No matter how much good will Nintendo has cultivated as a source of so many memories and experiences, seeing any company take such a brutal stance against preservation dissolves every shred of it. It is actually legitimately emotionally painful to think of how much lost media there is and will be because of the actions these companies are taking, experiences which will be truly unique to a generation if only because they worked so tirelessly to make sure that their product was only viable for a short shelf life and punished anyone who dared try to expand it. If the games themselves could talk I imagine they'd echo Roy Batty's sentiments from Blade Runner.
@@Pikaclev Most of these pirates are being dishonest and false flagging that they care about game preservation when in reality many of them are thieves. A common tactic of a thief is to take the stance that they are the victims. It pays well to be a thief and play victim. It costs them nothing to lie, especially on the internet.
@@Pikaclev A modern console that was outdated since day one. A decent PC can now run the games of that console far better than probably even its successor will. Personally I still buy all the games I play the only game I played on my Switch and not my PC was Super Mario RPG because there weren' that many benefits for doing so. But Xenoblade 3 or Tears of the Kingdom are so much better experiences on a PC.
They don’t want you to play old games because then you’re not buying their new trash, they don’t make money when you’re not buying the new system with new 70 dollar garbage games. I say fk um!
Being able to bypass encryptions for software that _YOU_ own really should be legal. If you own something, you should be able to use it however you damn well please.
IF we own it at all. Wich we obviously dont at this point, if Playstation closes one day i'll loose dozens of paid ps3-4 games (pretty sure PS3 PSN is already dead lol, so i might have lost half of it as of now)
Stealing is wrong, no matter the size of a company. Standards should be the same for all companies, big or small. Just because they can eat the cost, doesn't make stealing right.@@Pwnners
No it won't. Many rom sites have been shut down, and guess what? There are roms everywhere. They're still just as easy to find as ever. If Nintendo wins this, it means literally nothing. The program is still out there, in circulation, and can easily be obtained from another party in the scenario that the main site goes down. All Nintendo is doing is wasting time. Emulation tools can be distributed anonymously with ease.
@@metal6948it won't affect the pirates and legal gamers who just happen to use emulators but its going to affect the Yuzu devs, which sucks. They do great work. Nintendo is doing what gangsters do, show of power by taking someone out.
@@metal6948 Coding and updating an emulator is way more intensive and time consuming than dumping a rom or hosting a simple website where they can be downloaded. Best case scenario if emulation is ruled as illegal is that emulation sits at a standstill where it is now.
It's a shame that a company that is part of my childhood is so complicit with not allowing future generations experience the same joys I did. Losing emulators is the only realistic means we have to preserve video games, look at what happened to the 3DS store.
issue is that most nintendo fans don't understand your viewpoint. not even talking about ppl unplugged from internet but the die hard fans online don't get that they don't matter for nintendo
I remember how when Pokémon Legends was leaked and people tried to eulate it, the issues with the memory were not addressed by the developers until the game was officially released. Those guys are honorable and Nintendo did them dirty. I use Yuzu on my phone, despite having 2 Switch consoles and purchasing my games, because it is amazing having Yuzu on my phone and having good quality games on Android.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." This quote is a great description of this situation. It seems Nintendo didn't learn from the *Sony v. Bleem* or *Sega v. Accolades* court cases. Or maybe their ego is so huge they decided to disregard them.
The case law there is actually not as clear cut as most people think. Part of it states that reverse engineering is fine, but outright circumventing security technology and ripping the keys may not be a protected activity. And considering that Yuzu seems to be the latter Nintendo might have a solid case against them.
I feel like theyre doing this now because their next console most likely has some sort of backwards compatibility, which means they MUST continue to charge $60 or more for older games, and to do that they have to eliminate any means of enjoying them on a better way
@@christographerx64 This wouldn't surprise me at seeing as the Wii U literally had a Wii inside of it and the Wii literally had a Gamecube inside of it.
Or it won't have backwards capabilities and you can rent their old games emulated on their online store with a subscription for as low as 25$ a month. Or do you actually think they'd sell the copies again if they could just make much more of it? I'd honestly be surprised if they'd actually sell them, because that's literally what people have been asking for for years and why the whole lawsuits are an absolute joke - instead of earning money they're just blowing money into the wind with every lawsuit.
Now I will give nintendo credit that the multiplayer on the emulations is actually really good. You just can't get frame perfect emulated multiplayer consistently, not even on Dolphin. All they have to do is add more games to their library. Make the subscription actually worth it. The switch itself, is not that advanced. It uses a cartridge for crying out loud. Its just an overglorified DS.
@@Unknown_Genius Actually with the way the industry is leaning with subscriptions, that's a very likely possibility too. The only counter to that is Nintendo's history with hardware only making baby steps from their previous console and building it with their previous one inside.
@@xXlURMOMlXx Huh, it looks like you're right. I guess they have to do that since they don't make enough games to make up for losses. I wonder how much profit they get, because it can't be much. Their hardware is typically quite affordable.
Yuzu makes a better product in some ways than Nintendo. Nintendo should just see there is a giant audience on PC and make more money that way instead of with lawyers. Additionally, yeah emulation is the only way video games will survive hundreds of years into the future.
Almost as if they could monopolize an entire industry of bringing over their games on PC just by scooping up these emulation developers. The amount of time it takes to build code that can emulate physical hardware is excruciating. Emulation developers should be praised for their work, not shunned by these corporate puppets.
In the *horrible event* that this lawsuit does succeed and has a trickle doen effect on all current emulator projects etc. *I recommend that everyone absolutely keep a copy of the most current and up to date emulators on your devices.* This way at least if websites and projects get taken down. You should still be able to emulate safely in secret. (Backup all your files too. Cuz Lord knows certain websites have been getting taken down for years now.)
they're not going to win. look at the Sony vs Bleem lawsuit. Bleem won. Emulation doesn't violate copyright laws. Nintendo is just throwing its weight around trying to scare developers and making yuzu go bankrupt.
thats what i do when a company suddenly strikes fan translations, like square did with FF0 or what they did to the whole PC fan translation to trails of azure/zero
@@thefool8224 Damn I think I remember that actually. Back in the day when I would mod PSP's regularly, I remember when Final Fantasy Type-0 hadn't even come out in the west yet. We didn't get the game until almost 7 years or so later or something. So the only way to play it on PSP literally was the english fan translation people had made. That's so crazy.
What's angers me, depressed me, saddens me, annoyed me and confuse me to no end is that the video game industry is the only media companies in the world that could remove any of there physical media forever where in the books, tv, movie and the music industry you can both download and stream there medium on the any computer but also you can still get there physical medium. They are still making hard cover books with pages, you can still buy CD and some case real vinyl records, you can still buy DVD/ Blu-ray movies but for some ungodly reason the video gaming industry are just saying we don't care about video games as physical media just treat them as fast food items like a cheese burger and just eat them once and it's gone forever. WHY!?!?!
I don't think your example/statement is really accurate. Games can't really be forcefully removed from people's systems. They just remove the content from being sold from the store, which happens with other media too. In particular with music and videos they are media that also have DRM where if access to it is removed, you'd have to crack or pirate it to access it. Although your overall point is still accurate, but you didn't cover _why._ Live service games specifically are the one form of media that can outright disappear without even being able to be preserved at all. This is because live service games (or at least proper ones that heavily rely on the server) require the server in order for the game to function, and with the server code lost, the game is lost with it. This is why in my opinion it should be required by law to either open source server code when closing down servers, or else selling the code and server maintenance responsibility to another company. Of course legal issues are never so simple and one tough-to-resolve issue would be how does the law decide how much server support is sufficient? Like if 120 people daily want to play the game, would it be legal to have a server running that can only handle 8 players at a time? I guess one could say that it needs to be able to support everyone who wants to play, but then there's the matter of server stability. How stable is sufficiently stable? Still, I hope something gets done regarding this.
@@MsHojat The games may not be removed from your system, but the companies could really easily ban your accounts that the game is registered to, disable their services or mess with the DRM. And guess what? You will still have the game but you won't be able to play it.
Nintendo: should we attempt to make our service better so less people pirate? Nintendo: nahh, why don't we just sue 1 switch emulator. Nintendo: how does that relate to reducing piracy? Nintendo: It was about piracy?
@@YaBoiKTP If next console runs switch games (and we already know there was a showcase of it running BOTW at higher specs), then emulation is a massive competitor
@@Gala_KM A competitor to what? Emulators are 100% legal. You just have to dump YOUR console's and cartridge stuff to do it. Meaning that you already have to own a switch and the proper game that you're emulating. Are there bad actors that don't do this? Of course there are, welcome to planet earth. But emulation is NOT a competitor, it's a means of playing games on potentially better hardware.
@@Maximilian1990 Unfortunately it doesn't work like this with software. You buy a license that lets you enjoy the movie, game, etc. You don't buy the rights to the ip. It's basically an ticket. You buy the ticket and you can look at the shiny thing. You don't own the shiny thing and the ticket is non-transferable. The ticket is perpetual as long as the company allows it. That being said it's very easy to lose this ticket, so people should have a right to making more copies of this ticket so long as they don't do it to make a profit for themselves.
@@Johny9405 Everything you said is true but the company that owns the ip has the last say in you being able to make the copies of your ticket. People will gladly keep giving said company money while ignoring those terms and then put up a shocked pikachu face once they realize the product they bought cannot be used anymore.
@@PlahaKumarUh we have games like Mario Strikers battle League, Kirby Star Allies, Mario Tennis Aces, Mario Golf ultra smash, Pokemon Sword, Shield, Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl, Scarlet, Violet, Nintendo Switch Sports, they're pretty bad games
Absolutely agree. Nintendo doesn't fully care about the old games. An even when they do its through a sh1tty imperfect subscription. Emulation should be protected because at least you don't have to worry about getting completely screwed over.
Most of the legacy content they never bother to redistribute, if it isn't a mario or zelda, nintendo won't resell it, and apparently won't let us play it on our own means, so what, are we just supposed to forget those thousands of games never happened? I don't want to live in a world against preservation.
@sule001 But as long as no one is emulating the game thats ok, right!? Clearly, the right way to use the IP is to do the bare minimum with it then let it rot, rather than give people the freedom of using it! ☝🏽
LET THIS NOT DISWADE. HORDE YOUR ISO's / NSP's. I know I've got some genuine gold +platinum tier ps2 / ps3s / xbox 360's roms but It's crazy awesome how much emulation has come " Look at fable 2 on the PC at the moment on Xenia" It's damn near coming close to RDR1 with some medium to hard amounts of effort to get to run properly. Still makes me incredibly happy. c:
Im guessing the switch 2 builds on top of the switch which means yuzu can eventually emulate it with some effort, so they are doing a pre emptive strike in hopes of scaring them off/burying them in legal fees.
if you know how the switch 1 was hacked youll know that makes zero sense. The only reason switch emulators were developed as fast as they were, was because nintendo left a gaping hole in the Switch 1's security as soon as it released
@@M_CFV Yes but that's the point op is saying, if switch next gen uses the same basis as switch then even if the next thing is a fortress that would not matter because firmwere was already leaked
I agree I have a feeling their next console will be nothing special and it'll be easy to get emulated in little time, possibly even as a branch of the switch emulator itself if theyre similar enough. Much like how Dolphin can be for both Wii and GC because of how similar they were
@@kevinquirarte2365 If you attacked anyone, you'd be no better than Nintendo for suing emulation while remaining ignorant to the fact that it does more good than harm; you'd be attacking them out of spite being ignorant to the fact that you'll be stooping down to their level just to spite them. Better to just spread awareness and let people make informed decisions for themselves if they'll continue to consume the company's goods or completely avoid it entirely.
Nintendo doesn't, and shouldn't care about the 0.00001% of the angry fans... They sell 10s of millions of copies to people who are happy to play a game once and never come back. 99.9% of people don't care about preservation.
To my knowledge, the Skyline devs were pretty young and afraid of potential outcomes even though they were 100% in the right, they themselves stepped down. Hopefully the Yuzu team is more experienced with these kind of things. It's still terrifying though. Even if the emulator stays up and open source like Skyline is right now, the point is to keep improving on it and supporting it constantly and that can only be done when the original devs are around.
@@buizelmeme6288 Buy them and dump them, roms could be found for older games but at least pay a bit for what you're playing by buying some merch or anything
God I love Nintendo: Relaying on 7-year-old hardware to house there broken and laggy games, Delaying their console by at least a year so that everything gets pushed back. Charging $70 for games because of their apparent quality, when we all know they just did it because it was Zelda and they can get away with it Preventing fans from legally playing their old games by Deleting their services, charging you at a supreme to play their own emulated version of it that's somehow even worse than the original And now getting rid of the best emulator people have to actually play their games in a good frame rate with other quality of life features Got to love em
To be fair, the only “broken” games they have really been releasing is Pokémon. Also, they probably delayed the next hardware because not all of their games for it are ready. It’s not like they wanted to miss the holiday season. Believe me, I bet they were quite upset about delaying it for that reason. Besides all of that, I agree with your sentiments
@@FluffyMustache Yeah, but when you talk about nintendo in any way, shape, or capacity, you *gotta* accept the fact they are shitty people, through and through.
modern gaming companys- we love our consumers. also modern gaming companys- how can we suck all the money and happiness out of every living thing around us
Another thing; you don't even NEED an emulator to pirate games! A hacked Switch, with the right sigpatches installed, can also play pirated games! It's getting to the point where I never want to touch another Nintendo product ever again.
@Kira-hr5iu.. Do you know what a GPU is for? The only reason people "need" a 3080 is because they like pretty pixels on max resolutions like 4k or even 8k. A 1080 is still fine a decade after it's release if you don't care about that, though, like me. I don't particularly care how a game looks as long as the frame rate is consistent snd the gameplay is fun. And as someone supporting Nintendo slop, you automatically don't care about graphical fidelity just like I don't, so try a bit harder to find something to say next time aside from people liking good graphics = devs have poor optimisation
@Kira-hr5iuUnlike Nintendo, Microsoft and Steam have understood want consumers want. They also know if they dont give what the consumer wants, then hackers will bust their systems to archive what they want. This is what did actually happen to Sony and Nintendo many times. That is why you have the option to buy many retro games, on their official stores. Microsoft also included many, many original Xbox and Xbox360 games in their store. If you have an Xbox One or Xbox Series console, you can play the games. Also Microsoft, what seems to be in future, will provide cloud service to play the games on the cloud's hardware. What both Steam and Microsoft's approach are far better than Nintendo's service; forcing you to pay for a subscription to play old games but you dont own them nor do they not have the game you desire available. True, Nintendo has very high quality standards for their games, but their lackluster approach to make old games inaccessible to a point people cant purchase a game for a fair price and the money goes directly to the company without having to pay exorbitant prices from 2nd hand sellers. Nintendo is still can't understand what people want.
@Kira-hr5iu If you notice, I didn't say a number on the frame rate. I don't care what the frame rate is, I only care that it stays at that number. Consistency. I don't really care if the devs are passionate, or care at all about the game, I only care if I'm enjoying it, if the gameplay loop is fun for me. A dev enjoying working on it doesn't matter to me personally, if the end result is still fun. Are unhappy devs likely to make unfun games? Yeah. But then I just won't play that game because it's not fun, it really is that simple. As for the comment on the PS5.. I mean, it's up to you why you would want a new console. I got a PS5 strictly because I wanted better loading times on my already existing PS4 library. A good example is the average quest in Monster Hunter World on PS4 would take 45-60 seconds to load after posting it. On the PS5, it takes around 5 seconds at most. The decrease in the amount of time I'm sitting in loading screens or waiting for things to load, wasting what time I do have to play games, was worth the money for the new console.
@@forestmanzpediaWait. lol. You said , “Microsoft and Steam know what their customers want….” Remind again what their sales are like. Nintendo has sold more consoles and games than both of those companies combined! Clearly they don’t know what customers want because no one is buying their products. At least no where near Nintendo. Comments like this make realize games don’t know anything about business.
@@alexmendez3681 Microsoft didn't start producing consoles until 2001, and the Steam Deck didn't come out until 2022. Microsoft's earliest games were released in a time where the average person didn't even own a computer, much less played games on them, meaning they were *really* niche. Steam didn't exist until 2003, and Valve's first game, Half-Life, wasn't released until 1998. Are you really surprised that Nintendo, the company selling video games and consoles since 1983, outsold them both?
All the money they spend on these lawyers trying to ruin gaming for us, could be used to improve their own games and hardware. But nope, this is where we are. Their personal greed to keep selling us the same thing over and over, of course they would rather us lose the ability to emulate.
You are conflating piracy with emulation. That is what Nintendo wants too. Piracy is stealing, and stealing is wrong. Emulation is a tool for storage and preservation, and should not be conflated with piracy.
@@np153Garlix Personally if you ask me the only merit "piracy is stealing" has is for games that Nintendo themselves no longer offer for purchase. For example games like Buck Bumble or Hot Wheels Turbo Racing on the N64 you literally cannot play those games anymore unless you want to A) emulate them or B) buy a pre-owned copy from a 3rd party aka a consumer selling their copy of the game on Ebay or wherever. Neither of those options hurt Nintendo in any way because they literally aren't missing out on any deserved profits from their games as they aren't allowing you to purchase those games anymore.
@@np153Garlixfor Nintendo is it not just about piracy they are an old Japanese company that still holds to the old Japanese concept that the corporation it always in the right and should always have full control.
@@themyth3656 re read my comment please Nintendo is suing for two things yuzu having to backwards engineering and using protected coding, and pirates using yuzu to pirate their game example tears of the kingdom. None of them are a case but can be judged as one whole to further ruling against emulators in itself. This is just grandstanding on Nintendo part as they can win this suit using dirty tactics to prolong the case. The case in itself is mainly based on pirates using a tool to play pirated games.
It's truly frustrating to see Nintendo taking this stance against emulation, particularly as it plays such a crucial role in preserving gaming history. It's like blaming the hammer for the damage, instead of the person wielding it. Seems more like a power game than a genuine concern about piracy.
@Maximilian1990 that is just their excuse to assert monopoly and control. IP protection laws and copyright have mostly been used by big corporations to bully people and group that have less financial power. They don't want competition. As Mutahar said, playing on an emulator can be sometimes miles better than on the official hardware. That is the competitive edge. Instead of investing on innovation and make better hardware with better protection to compete, they just want the easy way out. There are so many bad consequences of this monopoly approach. Anti-consumer, anti-culture, etc. to name a few.
The switch needs a model 2 and honestly. It is THEIR fault that their hardware is so easy emulate with ease unlike the ps3 and 360. The ps4 right now is getting emulated and so what's the issue?
@@Gala_KM Lol you act like these companies are your friends. How about they stop with their subscription model to play four decades worth of roms? There's no excuse to rent genesis roms from a virtue console that was objectively better on the Wii and Wii U. Renting roms is annoying, if it was a one time purchase that would be good. Also emulation preserves games fundamentally by removing copy protection, online requirements, and generally does a net positive of accessablity. The DS is hard to emulate. I own a SteamDeck, PSVita, new3DS, and 2DS, even the switch... Nintendo should've done another " new3ds" situation just so there is a better way to play Switch games without being feeling sluggish in comparison toTHE Steam Deck?
@@brandonkruse6412 That’s what you say now because you don’t have knowledge of how business works. But when you IP takes off, you gotta fight emulators chewing into your hard work because you gotta feee your employees and your family. You gotta pay attorneys and marketing reps. You gotta pay rent and electricity. The list goes on. It’s easy to talk when you’re on the outside. Go ahead, make your own line of games.
@@alexmendez3681 Of course. But it’s a good thing there’s no evidence to support the claim that Emulation has hurt Nintendo financially. Are we really going to argue that a company valued at 65 billion is being financially affected by a small niche of people emulating their games? Many people like myself own all of the games that we emulate.
Well, hopefully some bigger creators can help mobilize their viewer bases to crowdfund Yuzu's team from being bullied into bankruptcy. We know how Gary Bowser's life is basically over because of Nintendo being a pain in the bum, so I don't wanna see other peoples' lives end at the hands of the Big N.
The law is changing. The domino effect is in play. The backdoors, the information, it's all been building to this. We're all in trouble. It's like I said sometime ago. Tome to enjoy what small scraps of fun we can still have before they rip that away from us to.
As a NES baby, I feel you Muta. I'm willing to do a few legally grey things in order to keep gaming history alive so that my kids and grandkids can continue to enjoy the things that I did growing up. It's part and parcel of building a culture. If your history is taken from you, it's almost impossible to have something to build on.
@@chrisnelson2948and what does that have to do with preserving games? The switch will eventually become a older generation console and then it'll be in the same exact predicament
@@chrisnelson2948current gen but has way less games than a wii and wii u with like a hand full of emulated games while millions are not purchasable or able to obtain? 😂 come on man even xbox has more backwards compatabile games and that speaks volume
Ryujinx still exists but damn💀with like less than a year left for The Switch, they do this? Where have they been for the last 5 years when Yuzu appeared? lmao
Because they "Switch 2" will have all the Switch Games and Nintendo doesn't want ppl to play their Games in 4k @60FPS. They want you to buy the Game again, to play it in 1080p @30 FPS
Probably because Switch 2 is fully backwards compatible and so Yuzu would be able to run Switch 2 games with ease much like how Dolphin can run Wii and Gamecube games.
@@OraOraOra that's exactly what rockstar did btw. when they got their crappy trilogy out, they took down fan made stuff that was obviously better so their product don't get overshadowed... which didn't work at all.
They've been for years, hence why you literally only download from trusted sites. Otherwise you may stumble upon a ROM that got trackers and they sue you. Why you? Well, because you downloaded an illegal copy. What does it do against piracy? Nothing. But why should it? If you can't stop the core issue you deter people from participating in it.
Just remember that regardless of whether you like Yuzu or not, this is about more than Yuzu. This is your class interest being attacked by a corporation. This isn't just over piracy for Nintendo either. They and their ilk (like Sony and Microsoft as well) want a world where they can do the Disney's vault tactic with everything to upsell and completely control your purchases.
That pretty much sums it up. They want to be able to sell any game that they ever made again at full price to anyone. Even to people that already purchased it. They just don't care that some games might never be re-released. Which is my biggest problem with the entire premise. We need emulators for that, which gets in the way of them potentially reselling .
Yeah okay but Yuzu paywalled the sharing of new and leaked releases, it's not like they're innocent here. They actively competed with Nintendo's sales in this case, it gives the scene a bad look when we rally around these practices.
It kind of makes me wonder if part of the reason why they're going after them now with the switch two around the corner is because the switch two is basically going to be the switch pro and not much else of a change.
@Johny9405 there hasn't been 1 case where a company sues emulators and they win. I think there was just ONE time where a game company won and that was because the emulator was straight up ripping and using like 90% of the source code. Most emulators are custom code with a splash of the original source code. They are not going to win.
@@glassebster8786 they won because the yuzu devs knew what they were doing and explicitly had guides on how to get the decryption and prod. Keys. They settled because they knew they were promoting piracy blatantly. No other emulators do this.
It should be law that games that can no longer be played or ported on modern hardware (less than 10 years old) should be completely free to distribute and use as long as code is not copied to make other games.
Fortunately for Palworld those internet dwellers are nothing more than raging fanboys. Nintendo has no legs to stand on going after Palworld otherwise they would have long before the game actually released. They would have had it pulled from Steam. Literally the only similarities between Pokemon and Palworld is the art style of the "Pals" and that is it. If you dig into the history books as well Pokemon "stole" a lot of their designs from a game called Dragon Quest that released 10 years before the first Pokemon game. Trust me if Nintendo had a toe, let alone a leg, to stand on with Palworld they would have acted.
Nintendo absolutely hates anyone enjoying anything of theirs. All this is gonna do is cement them as one of the most hated gaming companies in recent years
@a5948Nintendo has literally been shady since day one of their video game empire, so, yes. Look into how they screwed over the team they worked with to release the original Donkey Kong.
They’re seemingly not going after the emulator themselves, but the Patreon profit increase from the leaked TotK rom. Honestly, with them starting that Patreon, promoting pirated games on the emulator itself like XC3, etc, I’m not surprised, but it still sucks and resorting to suing is terrible. This is why emulator marketers need to keep their mouths closed.
@GHOSTSTARSCREAMThe loophole is donations. Also, Yuzu's code is open source. That should've been plenty to keep Nintendo in their place, but here we are.
Yeah, they crossed a grey area a bit too far when they start to profit like that. Do it for the love of preservation, or the pirate spirit. Doing it for money really is what makes it actual theft.
@@e-tean-son4146 they will care about what NINtendo does ALONG with making games, and when they find out, they won't care HOW family friendly NINtendo's games are. cause it's at all not friendly, parents and other NINtendo comsumers will quit on the company and only buy games ported on the switch NOT made by them
But how do you measure it. Nintendo is still selling games like Mario 64, but not all retro games. How do you know what will come back one day? It's impossible. And if you only consider original cartridges/discs or whatever then that would be total chaos since it means that anyone could simply sell Mario Galaxy or make a new game with the Mario Galaxy Mario and release it on the Internet and Nintendo could do nothing about it which is obviously wrong.
@@gaker19scthat is really not a problem. Just put a small timeframe of let's say 5 years between releases or else you lost all rights to it forcing them to keep it always available or lose all rights to it early.
page about dumping stuff doesn't mean anything really what it requires: - physical console - physical game (amiibo) so even if you look at it, then it requires you to have all things needed to play that game, so it doesn't have any financial threat towards nintendo, if it was linking to any database of games, then it would be whole other story, but if one person with knowhow could do it and make that database, then there's no reason to blame them if they have guide to do it yourself instead of downloading it for free so in logical way, it doesn't in any way affect nintendo revenue, i think the only way it could be used is that person could buy a copy and he with his family and friends could use one copy, dunno if one copy of game can do that or if it's like console bound in any way, so yeah, nothing they should be able to do if court has any brain cells intact
This video made me donate to their patreon. This lawsuit from Nintendo is built upin many fallacies and I hope Nintendo doesn't get their grubby hands on yuzu for the sake of the entire emulation space, and I hope this helps them out up the best legal fight possible.
The thing I have never understood about attacking emulators it that is such a niche small part of their revene. Most emulator users go for old games they can buy, and playing any recent game on an emulator requires a monstrously strong computer and literal teams of devs creating patches so that the game works on pc. Ultimately is just a niche portion of their users that is just doesn't make sense.
I think you're overselling how hard it is to emulate Switch games. You can run them on flagship smartphones now, and the Switch hardware is very underpowered. I would agree that it's fairly niche, however.
It’s not that niche. The amount of people who brag about pirating switch games is crazy. Idk why they are going for yuzu though. Fitgirl is probably the one that would make sense
4:25 Then the problem is with the copy-protections. The Law states that you can dump copies. If the only way to do it is by using a 3rd party app that has to force a bypass against those copy protections, it's the developers fault for putting them in place, or for not distributing a first party software that allows dumping
You can dump copies of games you own. Take Ubisoft games as an example (as I don't know the EULAs for nintendo games and don't bother to look them up honestly), you haven't owned Ubisoft games for the past 15 years, they made it very clear. So yeah... next to the fact that they potentially could just make AppIDs on console unusable if they feel like it (and therefor disks unless you want to reset your console, keep it offline and play an unpatched version) - however, that also includes not being applicable to the allowance of keeping an extra copy. As none of the content on the disc (or the installed game files/installers) is owned by you.
@@Unknown_Genius I'm talking about copyright law here, EULA is below the law, and if EULAs don't comply with the law, that's a different issue. By law, no company can say you cannot dump a game you own. If Ubisoft EULA states that you don't own what you buy from them, they are committing a different crime (some variation of fraud) by using the words "purchase" and "buy" when you acquire it
Yeah, and you got it right there. A game you own. They however never sold you a game, you purchased a license from them to access said content until the license is terminated by you or them - it's nothing different to paying for Netflix except that it's a one time fee and only includes the content you licensed from them. The days of games being sold to you from most bigger companies have been replaced by a try to not sell you anything 15 years ago - and it worked fantastically fine which is why we are here.
@n_Genius That's why Piracy is the best thing that ever happened. Even then, in most cases it continues to constitute fraud, unless you live somewhere stupid. To me it has personally never happened, not once. And if it did, I'd immediately pirate the shit out of it, because I paid for it, so I'm keeping it. Regardless, we are talking physical copies here, not digital downloads
@@Unknown_Genius * They however never sold you a game, you purchased a license from them to access said content* IMO them claiming this doesn't change that the physical medium with the game content is still mine, and that format shifting is something that exists as a fair use for other formats (and therefore PURELY IMO should follow with games too if it doesn't already).
I fixed several nintendo switches and let me tell you. The cheap parts they use break easily especially the game cartridge part. Third party parts were actually more durable than stock parts came from Nintendo and that says a lot.
To anyone playing emulators, there are certain emulators that let you connect to a site retroachievements, so you can get that extra dopamine hit while playing a classic. People are making sets (achievements) constantly for almost all retro games. Heck, they even got achievements for the Virtual Boy. But for that, the real achievement is not letting your eyes melt.
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I also emulate Nintendo games but the only difference is I have the original copies and I don't do it in a toxic way while the complainers harass and attack casual gamers for enjoying switch games on switch hardware.
I'm on both sides
Have you heard about the Chazington situation?
His my favorite UA-camr until he's videos are completely gone because of the False ""Copyright"" Strikes by a notorious user, I really need to spread the word about this information so he get so much support.
It's so upsetting that this situation happened because of this disturb individual and UA-cam broken system :(
i love how you keep tugging at the shirt!
Man this is sad. I love Yuzu and being able to dump a game i bought into an emulated console that i also bought and they still do this is bs. I hope this brings to light new laws that protect this
If they win, this will set one of the worst precedents in gaming history. It will literally set back gaming presevation decades.
But if Yuzu wins it will cement the legality of emulation even further.
lol you guys aren't preserving shit.
@@itzhexen0 Lol so dumb if you think that. There are hundreds if not thousands of video games that can only be played today because of emulation.
@@itzhexen0and you Ain't worth the oxygen you breathe, let em try.
Yall should go preserve some relationships
By Nintendo's Logic, they can sue an ISP for providing internet access that allows people who pirate their videogames to distribute them.
Yeah thats basically what happened and why people started using VPN. People got caught pirating Nintendo games and they sent a letter to isp about it. They monitor their packages and force you to delete it or the isp will take hostile actions against you.
Technically makes more sense than suing the emulator devs....
Don't give them any ideas
They did try too sadly I can't get into specific on what happened but it was the shift in people using vpns
Sony got pretty damn close when they sued Quad 9
The worst part is, they've emulated Super Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy to make Super Mario 3D All-Stars which was a *limited release.*
Yeah and only galaxy was the only one of the 3 I played on switch that didn't feel so input lagged. 64 and to a lesser extent sunshine had horrible input lag on 3d all stars. I can get smooth emulation on a android phone of those two games with a wired controller and it'll have no latency compared to all stars
@sule001 they suck emulating their own games
It's not against our policy if we go against our policy!/SbNr
Which they own the intellectual property to?
@@prplbowtie So insanely true though.
Why anyone actually pays for Nintendo's online service is beyond me.
If purchase isn't ownership, piracy isn't theft.
This
Piracy was never theft though, you can't steal something by copying it.
@@LucasCunhaRochaExactly. Stealing is depriving another of their property without permission. You aren't removing anything from Nintendo by making a copy of something. They just feel entitled to your money if you are enjoying their game but even then, they want to format shifting a game you own (say you bought and dumped a copy of the game, your keys, and the firmware on your device) to be illegal by attempting to shut down Yuzu.
But purchase is ownership. You purchase and own the right to use their software on terms set up by the maker of the software.
@@LucasCunhaRocha yes you can, if Nintendo's legal business model is based on selling copies of their games
Can't wait for the day Nintendo sues Nintendo for using the name "Nintendo"
Lmao
Bowser did sue Bowser at some point, so it's not that impossible. Really. . .
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N word?
At this point, it might actually hurt itself in confusion!
By this logic, Microsoft could be sued because Windows can execute cracked games.
Not only games, but varied softwares too...
YOTSUBA
Windows dev team's “developments” don't facilitate piracy. It is the 3rd parties making cracks that bypass the DRM.
Whereas Yuzu team's “developments” directly facilitate piracy without the need for 3rd party bypasses. Nintendo's console is their DRM.
@@comfortable_eastthey don't facilitate piracy, you need the product key or something like that from your own Switch to be able to play the games.
@@comfortable_east Not really. You still have to dump the real console.
However, from I experience I can tell you it's easier to make it run under fake numbers lol
“ we’re getting older and hardware is dying” is a phrase I never thought I’d hear, and it hurt so much.
Acting like a real neckbeard.
Become a hardware hoarder, and start an addiction to FuniOns and Mt Dew.
There'll be new hardware that's better. It's fine. If progress stops, then we should worry.
Yeah it sucks but it's the truth I've been around since Nintendo the first Nintendo you know and I'll tell you one thing there's some games that you can't find and if you can find them you'll need a system for it where you're paying out the ass. And we're talking about a game that is 30 years old or older. When it becomes that I mean really come on who gives a crap now I understand a new game shouldn't be stolen right makes sense. But eventually that video game will be 30 years old and other people will want to play it. It's about the future which is looking pretty grim
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Acting like a jerk ain't much better
4:17 in Germany bypassing copy protection of a game you own is legal, only if you create a private copy, you aren't allowed to sell it or publish it.
Correct.
A game you do own tho. But for that you have to own the game in the first place - meaning as much as: Games from Ubisoft, EA or any other company that only sells you a limited license for the past 15 years, telling you that you're not buying a product in advance are not applicable to it.
I don't want to be rude but most countries in Europe are very poor :(
That's why we need to build more military bases on those yuropoors
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The EU is safe anyway. The crap happens in America
@@Unknown_Genius you can still give these copies to friends temporarily
Suing them for facilitating piracy is like suing car companies for facilitating car accidents.
It's like suing gun manufacturers for facilitating school shootings-- oh, wait.
@@jasonalec6573cringe
@jasonalec6573 ha I was going to say the same thing
Keep your politics out of this discussion bro@@jasonalec6573
nah it's more like suing car companies for facilitating car theft. car accidents are "accidents" by definition, theft is on purpose.
It's like suing Microsoft because Windows can run pirated software on it.
You win this commentary section!
@nerevar8823You don't need to pirate games to use Yuzu, I dumped my purchased games to work with Yuzu.
@nerevar8823 It is the same. Intent percentages change on who will use the software for piracy, but bot can pirate. Might as well sue Microsoft for allowing Yuzu. Hope they don't, Linux it'll be
Yeah, except Microsoft can actually fight back.
@nerevar8823no, but it gives you the tools to do the emulators in their platform, so they the root of the problem according to nintendo logic, old series and tv shows that where lost because the film was lost have been saved from piracy, are the owners of these movies going to sue video players because they can run their pirated tv shows and movies, emulators are made to run not just games because is a concept to preserve anything that can be digitilized, is yuzu is only capable of running switch games why that exclusivity matters?, their are not saying look pirate games!, their are saying that they have an option for this games to be run and that if you have better hardware that the platform itself you can run this games even better, if people use it for pirated games it doesnt matter, just like video player can run a pirated movie.
They might as well start suing Microsoft for making Windows because it enables people to use Yuzu and pirate their video games
There's also Yuzu beta on Android
if Nintendo wins, then movie companies can start suing Windows Media Player because it can play pirated movies. they're clearly doing this to just bleed the developers dry, like what Sony did to Bleem.
Or prosecuting knife manufacturers because some people use them to stab others.
Better suing the hardware as well because they are capable of emulating the switch. 😅
Better prosecute Wine and Proton for- wait, it's not emulation.
This is like somebody getting hit by a car, and then suing the car manufacturer instead of the person who ran them over.
If the videos i watch about the US legal system are true then i do not doubt someone already did that
More like you buy a car from the manufacturer and they sue you for doing an oil change with a third party mechanic.
Neh, it's even worse. It's like if somebody got hit by a car and he decides to sue the car manufacturer 6 YEARS after the incident
In tesla's case that could be justified lol
That'd actually be kinda based though, not gonna lie. We need less cars clogging up our streets.
At the same time that nintendo sues emulator developers, nintendo uses open source emulators in their virtual console for classic games
Shhhh That's to Nintendos benefit, you can't let the secrets out! Emulation is only okay when it works FOR them!
Nintendo would obvious argue it's different because they own the source code of the concepts.
The real question is how they let guys like Capcom get away with emulation of there consoles for stuff like the MegaMan legacy collection.
@@rynobehnke8289but that emulator didnt use any nintendo source code. Its made from scratch.
@@bpcgos well yes but it does need a real switches description key to open the games so I could see Nintendo arguing that the only way to use the software is to commit a crime by circumventing there description that is protected by the dmca laws.
Sure seems lost on that ground to aklaim many years ago but that was also when the tech was new while these thing after years of lobbying are nowadays are taken far more serious.
Sorry got the comment mixed up with a different one.
But my point is not entirely wrong as the nes and SNES both also had copyright protection systems. Tho that is properly not a problem for Capcom as long as they still had there original source files and didn't needed to rip them from models
@@entryofemotion12 but it's for your benefit, they are providing you with an emulator you can use to play old video games. And said video games are nintendos intellectual property so they have the right to dictate how they get emulated
>Emulation is legal by court precedent
>Reverse Engineering is legal by court precedent
>The Digital Millennium Copyright Act has exceptions for this kinda stuff
>Yuzu didn't even distribute the game that they "pirated", just a how to on dumping a ROM, which is a required thing for their emulation.
Is Nintendo smart and trying to play chicken with Yuzu, or are they *that dense* on emulation that they don't even know the law?
I could honestly see Nintendo doing this to try and set a new precedent, so their new console doesn't get broken into early and eat the sales.
@@pocketsizedweeb I feel like if this is true, they're wasting money. You can't just remove precedent by snapping your fingers, even if you are rich like Nintendo.
They might be trying to tie up Yuzu in legal fees, or otherwise hinder their progress simply by barraging them with lawsuits.
Yuzu is made up of people, after all, and people can crack... Winning may not even be the point.
well if you watched the video, notice that Nintendo never touch emulator (or reverse engineering). They basically just use leak, piracy, how to use yuzu (like dumping prod key bla bla bla) for their basis of lawsuit. The crazy part in the lawsuit is secondarily liable for act of the pirates which Yuzu dev cannot even control.
The point of these otherwise pointless lawsuits are not to win, but to drain the other party financially.
This is like trying to sue a CD player just because it can play pirated CDs. It makes no sense and it should never go further than an absurd idea.
In Finland, the copyright organization gets a cut of every piece of rewritable media because of the POSSIBILITY of storing copyrighted material, it's nonsense. Like hard drives and SD cards cost more just because the copyright system is broken no matter what country you're in...
So you play video games by installing them into yourself and literally with your own human body projecting said games graphics and audio.
Is that cd player designed to circumvent a specific copyright protection set in place by a copyright holder? If yes , then yes this is exactly like that.
I believe you've oversimplified 🤓
prob the best analogy for this ive found
some games aren't even available anymore
so your can only play them by using emulators.
Stupid Nintendo
nintendo's only going after a current-gen emulator dude
@@Gala_KM Mario 35th anniversary
@@therealt.parrot9791 the 1 game that got a time limit 💀lmao. Doesn't mean that everyone's only getting current-gen emulators for mario all stars.
Tbf, even if they were available nowadays, pretty sure Nintendo ain't gonna sell the original hardware, emulation would be the only way regardless
@@Gala_KM Only a current-gen emulator? Nintendo has a history of this.
There are older games on some consoles where NO KNOWN WORKING COPY STILL EXISTS, without emulation, 99% of releases by anybody would be doomed to be lost to time.
Without emulation Nintendo themselves wouldn’t be able to have an excuse to charge money for their shitty online subscription.
They don't care, look how they treat the competitive Smash community.
They also make crappy devices to run these games on. Here in Canada a new switch OLED is $449 plus tax. Which is roughly around $500 💀 almost as much as a ps5 slim
Going after Yuzu for being able to play a leaked game would be like going after samsung because their DVD players can play burnt DVDs of leaked movies
This. ☝️☝️☝️
Or going after every single Windows, MacOS, ChromeOS, Android, Linux, FreeBSD and Haiku device because they can play normal video files
For the slime-ball lawyers it's worth a shot, they get paid either way.
The old heads at Nintendo probably don't understand that. Either that or they do and they don't care, and just want to make an example out of them.
You joke but industry alliances that include samsung actively work to prevent playing of pirated content burned onto dvd's.
Nintendo, along with movie companies and various other Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) enforcers, isn't genuinely targeting emulation or piracy; their aim is to suppress archivists. Pirates engage for enjoyment, while emulator creators, media player developers, and skilled coders and decoders advocate for universal access to media and games, supporting the concept of a global archive. Big business resists archives, fearing they might counter subpar content. The threat to them lies in archivists maintaining large, independent storage, enabling access to superior material from the past, preventing coercion into consuming inferior, newly produced content. Their fear isn't emulators or pirates but individuals owning, archiving, and passing down legacy material.
And this is morally abhorrent of them to do this to us.
Completely agree.
That's a scary concept
I wanna thank Nintendo for educating more people about Yuzu and Ryiujinx. Now more people can enjoy their Switch games at higher resolutions and frame rates! 👏👏👏
Who's gonna tell him?
@@ThatSceneWhen😂 He doesn’t know does he? 😂😂😂
Coz their hardware are underpowered they can't even run their exclusives well. Like wtf
@alexmendez3681 Apparently my comment got deleted but there's new forks starting and it's not going anywhere Nintendo simp.
@@jayblueridgesumilhig so Mario Bros Wonder doesn’t look beautiful? Wait let me choose and order game, so Mario Kart 8 doesn’t look beautiful? Smash bros doesn’t look beautiful? Stop blaming the hardware, it’s all about the developers and how good they are. Blizzard made Diablo 3 run at 60fps and in handheld mode. Don’t blame the hardware so your lack of skills. Just sayin’ bruh….
Cant wait for the Streisand effect to come into play
What’s that?
@@RazorBladezX It's where by trying to silence and stop something it brings more attention to it, going against the original intention
Didn't happen with Disney,
didn't happen with GeoHot,
didn't happen with Take-Two,
didn't happen with Sony a kajillion times.
The only thing that will happen is for them to settle out of court.
Unless Yuzu hopefully has gathered enough money from subscribers to put into the lawsuit,
which I hope they did.
But if they win then development will stop on Yuzu and it won't get any better / become outdated.
You realize there's a high possibility Nintendo's going after yuzu first is BECAUSE people don't stfu about it right? If anything the Streisand effect will cause other emulators to get the axe next if Nintendo can prove this illegality in court. Seriously emulators, romsites, etc. would last a lot longer if people would just stfu about them and stop acting like the major use of emulation is "gaming preservation". Snesorama? People wouldn't stfu about it. Emuparadise? People wouldn't stfu about it, and neither could EP itself like idiots. There's one website and I'm not saying which one, that's outlasted them and even has Nintendo games hosted... because people keep their mouths shut about it.
Nintendo mad their games run better on Yuzu than offical hardware 😂😂😂
Fr 😂
Not true, but a funny joke, lol.
BOTW/TOTK at 60 frames (or higher) on a 1440p monitor. Oh, I can use mods, too? Yup 👍.
I mean…. Your not wrong, if you have a powerful PC, then holy shit you can run totk at 4k with 120 fps
@maynx2743 It is true though 😂
Nintendo said "3DS games can only be played as 60$ ports drip fed in increments of decades"
Hshop
In 1991 Sega v. Accolade and Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo ruled that reverse engineering consoles and cartridges is legal, and it's apparently allowed by the DMCA act
This sounds a lot like that one lawsuit where the copyright mafia sued some guy over ripping his own bluray and watching it using plex or vlc. Hopefully this goes to trial and sets a precedent that emulators aren't piracy just the like the bluray case did.
The thing is: there have already been trials setting the precedent that emulation isn't piracy. Sony tried multiple times to sue ps1 emulators, and failed everytime. Nintendo has no groud to stand on.
@@albertfanmingo Except that no, those lawsuit was about comparative advertising ON an emulator, not really the emulator itself (meaning it is still on a gray area)
@@FunnyParadox everything I've read about it (its been a few years so take everything with a grain of salt) says they were directly about the emulator as the company directly went to Sony showing they were able to copy the ps1 hardware on computer hardware using custom software and officially ripped BIOS and Sony didn't like that (edit:) I believe they were trying to get a job at Sony or try to get a porting service up
IIRC it was late 90's and it was found that Sony can't do crap because the software used didn't use ANY Sony code, it was all custom that simply used a copy of the bios from the ps1, which due to licensing and archiving rights, we, as customers, as long as we have the hardware, can rip, copy, and use, as long as we don't distribute, paid or otherwise, illegally.
Which means (again, as far as i know and its been a while since ive looked all this stuff up) if we have a friend who also owns the game, we can give them a copy, because they own the hardware/liscense and were basically only doing a service of ripping FOR them, not distributing TO them, because they already own it, and the only difference between us dumping it for them, and letting them borrow the means to dump it, is negligible
@@albertfanmingo Precedents can be overturned as they are not a matter of law, but of only precedent. Especially when some of those old cases that were settled are now decades old and the world has changed drastically since then. Thinking a judge can't overturn those past rulings due to how different the technological landscape is today is unwise.
Again, precedents can be overturned
Emulation has never been found as fraud in the history of video game lawsuits. It’s literally a way of preserving history at this point. If Nintendo manages to sway people into thinking that “emulation is stealing” then video game history is in serious trouble.
Fun fact: Nintendo was found to have grabbed an emulator copy of Super Mario Bros off the internet due to coding found in the files that are the exact coding files used in a super Mario bros emulation copy found online.
Its like if they sue a Museum for perserving artifacts
Im not a tendie by any means but, that last statement is confusing. Shouldnt it have the same coding since its literally the exact same game?
@@standoidontwantalastname6500 not necessarily if the owner of that copied file changed anything
I mean, if this shi goes down in court and yuzu comes out clear on the emulation "charges" It might still get a sentence on the Patreon stuff, who knows let's wait and see, but something's tells me they might not come out fully unscathed
@@standoidontwantalastname6500 The game's code should be the same, yes. But the smoking gun in that case was a header created specifically for dumping NES roms. If someone was dumping multiple cartridges of the same game, this header would contain slightly different info for each cart. But no, the one that was found in the VC copy of the game was the exact same header (again, something created by those dirty, dirty pirates) that is found in the widely distributed rom found on pirate sites.
For the first time, I am going to get a Yuzu pateron subscription to support their legal defense. This lawsuit is abhorrent and needs to loose
Going to do the same.
If the lawsuit is successful it might hurt them more financially because of Patreon.
same
@@JDelwynnI vaguely remember hearing you can't use funds from Patreon for legal things/expenses.
I went ahead and bought the app on the Playstore and the early access version of the app to support. Even though I have the apk already 😅
How come Valve is the only games company that figured out why most people pirate anything
Thank you
Why, because they are poors?
Because Gabe Newell has ideals and a vision that distinguishes himself from almost every other video game CEO.
Valve is a private company. Gabe can do whatever he wants. Other companies CANNOT.
Not a company but wasn't the Creator of Minecraft also like "let people pirate it" and then Minecraft became widespread lol
No matter how many times they sue, Nintendo will never be able to defeat the morally correct way of enjoying all of their games.
Preach mate preach !
@@boyishdude1234no matter how many times they sue people someone will be brave enough to make a new emulator. Its like a war lol but like you said they have all the money to just throw at legal fees until the other person is done, its risky for the next person but people won't stop.
hmmmmm nice car
im going to morally enjoy it!
@@boyishdude1234 Nintendo can maybe get the government to outlaw emulation entirely. But even that won't stop sh!t. Just ask the FBI how effective their hunt for the founders of pirate bay was. Just like piracy, emulation will continue to thrive. Best idea is too release games on PC itself like XBOX and Sony. There's money to be made, even in Japan PC gaming is growing.
@@SolaceMcfly Yes, and then that next person will be ruined.
It's a miracle that dolphin emulator is still going
They have been hit with a C&D due to the bios/source code being included in Dolphin. This is why the steamdeck version didn't come out or was changed. It was a big story last year so I don't remember all the details.
Because legally Nintendo can't do shit, as long as there is no original code from Nintendo in the emulator they have no ground to stand, kinda like how this is going to play out. As long as yuzu doesn't provide keys or firmware they are in the clear.
@@nojuanatall3281 No they didn't get hit with a C&D. Last I checked, Valve asked Nintendo before they allowed Dolphin on Steam and Nintendo said no because it had encryption keys. There wasn't any bios included in Dolphin. Dolphin still being developed to this day.
Fr, dude
@@YoBoiSyntechnically, dolphin does include the decryption key found on the Wii in it's code, which is also why it was cease and desisted for its official steam release. Which honestly just kinda goes to show that their prod.key argument for yuzu is pretty phoney, since it's not even included.
Seems like Nintendo wants more power over game distribution and emulation is just another obstacle that they want to eliminate. It’s all about control.
Nintendo wanting to control distibution of their games? Who would have expected.
Nintendo doesn't want piracy. It's that simple. It's insanely easy and accessible to download Ryujinx or Yuzu, set it up in like 20 minutes, and bam you're playing Nintendo games for free. The next nintendo gen is probably going to have backwards compatibility, and if that includes upscaling / increased fps on old games, that puts an even bigger target on the back of emulating current consoles. They don't want to compete to sell their own games.
@@Gala_KMyes but big company bad
@@Gala_KM yuzu and ryujinx do not enable you to illegally play nintendo games unless you go one step further and illegally download (or debatably illegally dump your own) games. Which you can do on your own without the emulators, and the emulators don't assist in or have anything to do with that process. The emulators themselves are not illegal.
Let's be clear, they don't want to completely eliminate emulation, only fan emulation
Tha massive irony of all this is, a lot of people have the real copies of games they emulate… they just want to use BETTER hardware
True, but lets be honest here. 99% of people use emulators illegally. But i dont blame that on the pirates. Nintendo and other company's should make it easier to play newer and especially older games. Nintendo wants to force you to buy their shittier hardware and you know what fuck them.
@ction2068 99% is an exaggeration of course but even so, how many of those would have bought the games? Yes, it's still illegal and is a crime, but the reasons these companies usually state for going against piracy almost always never hold water.
@@leesanction206899%? Totally no. 60-70%? Yea, probably
Most of the games I would emulate were games I own on NES or Gameboy.
Bloodborne runs like shit on an emulator.
Imagine buying games from the company that hates you
Don't even pirate them anymore. Spend your time and money on games made by developers who respect you.
This is the correct answer. All these circlejerkers blaming Nintendo when they're the ones at fault for supporting them. But they can't get away from playing their games.. they just love to whine and bitch. In reality, no one outside online communities give 2 f's.
Hey now, both Xbox and PlayStation would be like this if their consoles were so easy to emulate. Remember that Sony sued Blame (PS1 emulator) back in the day, and even if emulators remained legal, Blame went bankrupt because of the expenses
@@Overload151fortunately Microsoft turned to making everything that works on xbox be playable on pc too (dunno about very old Xbox games tho)
@@Overload151 Bleem!
My gaming life is just a constant loop of Jessie screaming "He can't keep getting away with it!" at this point.
I can't cope no more.
No matter how much good will Nintendo has cultivated as a source of so many memories and experiences, seeing any company take such a brutal stance against preservation dissolves every shred of it. It is actually legitimately emotionally painful to think of how much lost media there is and will be because of the actions these companies are taking, experiences which will be truly unique to a generation if only because they worked so tirelessly to make sure that their product was only viable for a short shelf life and punished anyone who dared try to expand it. If the games themselves could talk I imagine they'd echo Roy Batty's sentiments from Blade Runner.
But this is an emulator for a MODERN CONSOLE. The main audience for the emulator are pirates. Not people actually concerned about game preservation.
@@Pikaclev Most of these pirates are being dishonest and false flagging that they care about game preservation when in reality many of them are thieves. A common tactic of a thief is to take the stance that they are the victims. It pays well to be a thief and play victim. It costs them nothing to lie, especially on the internet.
@@Pikaclev A modern console that was outdated since day one. A decent PC can now run the games of that console far better than probably even its successor will. Personally I still buy all the games I play the only game I played on my Switch and not my PC was Super Mario RPG because there weren' that many benefits for doing so.
But Xenoblade 3 or Tears of the Kingdom are so much better experiences on a PC.
yup they just want to sell you theses games over and over again 😑and have you play them at 30 fps at 1080p 😆
They don’t want you to play old games because then you’re not buying their new trash, they don’t make money when you’re not buying the new system with new 70 dollar garbage games. I say fk um!
Being able to bypass encryptions for software that _YOU_ own really should be legal. If you own something, you should be able to use it however you damn well please.
I agree
IF we own it at all.
Wich we obviously dont at this point, if Playstation closes one day i'll loose dozens of paid ps3-4 games (pretty sure PS3 PSN is already dead lol, so i might have lost half of it as of now)
Guys, just imagine Steam going bankrupt lmao. It will happen someday
Since you paid for it, I don't see a problem with you emulating a product that you purchased already.@@Pwnners
Stealing is wrong, no matter the size of a company. Standards should be the same for all companies, big or small. Just because they can eat the cost, doesn't make stealing right.@@Pwnners
I can only hope that Nintendo loses this case... Emulation will be dead if Nintendo does win the case.
Spread awareness, brother.
No it won't. Many rom sites have been shut down, and guess what? There are roms everywhere. They're still just as easy to find as ever. If Nintendo wins this, it means literally nothing. The program is still out there, in circulation, and can easily be obtained from another party in the scenario that the main site goes down. All Nintendo is doing is wasting time. Emulation tools can be distributed anonymously with ease.
@@metal6948 Rom sites are considered piracy. Emulators that does not use a pirated BIOS/Rom and use a legally obtained one should be good to go.
@@metal6948it won't affect the pirates and legal gamers who just happen to use emulators but its going to affect the Yuzu devs, which sucks. They do great work. Nintendo is doing what gangsters do, show of power by taking someone out.
@@metal6948 Coding and updating an emulator is way more intensive and time consuming than dumping a rom or hosting a simple website where they can be downloaded. Best case scenario if emulation is ruled as illegal is that emulation sits at a standstill where it is now.
It's a shame that a company that is part of my childhood is so complicit with not allowing future generations experience the same joys I did. Losing emulators is the only realistic means we have to preserve video games, look at what happened to the 3DS store.
Nintendo has always been scumbags, even in the NES days.
issue is that most nintendo fans don't understand your viewpoint. not even talking about ppl unplugged from internet but the die hard fans online don't get that they don't matter for nintendo
It is completely legal to pirate Nintendo games
@@s1nistr433 It's completely moral to pirate anything that isn't screwing over a small creator/indie studio
@sule001so they are simply trying to ruin the fun of millions of gamers who are often their own fans for no good reason.
Pretty sure that's scummy.
I remember how when Pokémon Legends was leaked and people tried to eulate it, the issues with the memory were not addressed by the developers until the game was officially released.
Those guys are honorable and Nintendo did them dirty.
I use Yuzu on my phone, despite having 2 Switch consoles and purchasing my games, because it is amazing having Yuzu on my phone and having good quality games on Android.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
This quote is a great description of this situation. It seems Nintendo didn't learn from the *Sony v. Bleem* or *Sega v. Accolades* court cases. Or maybe their ego is so huge they decided to disregard them.
It's definitely the latter. Nintendo want to make an example out of these guys, and want to shut down emulation for good. I hope they lose hard.
They might think they got more of a case these days were breaking encryption is taken more seriously.
The case law there is actually not as clear cut as most people think.
Part of it states that reverse engineering is fine, but outright circumventing security technology and ripping the keys may not be a protected activity. And considering that Yuzu seems to be the latter Nintendo might have a solid case against them.
@@imatiuYuzu does not rip keys or dump games. It is other software that does that.
Yuzu just executes the files.
@@mikeycrackson👏 😂 Perhaps one day Nintendo and fish (sorry, _emulators)_ will live together in harmony.
I feel like theyre doing this now because their next console most likely has some sort of backwards compatibility, which means they MUST continue to charge $60 or more for older games, and to do that they have to eliminate any means of enjoying them on a better way
OR the codebase for Switch 2 is just an evolution of Switch 1 meaning Yuzu would be able to emulate it as well.
@@christographerx64
This wouldn't surprise me at seeing as the Wii U literally had a Wii inside of it and the Wii literally had a Gamecube inside of it.
Or it won't have backwards capabilities and you can rent their old games emulated on their online store with a subscription for as low as 25$ a month.
Or do you actually think they'd sell the copies again if they could just make much more of it? I'd honestly be surprised if they'd actually sell them, because that's literally what people have been asking for for years and why the whole lawsuits are an absolute joke - instead of earning money they're just blowing money into the wind with every lawsuit.
Now I will give nintendo credit that the multiplayer on the emulations is actually really good. You just can't get frame perfect emulated multiplayer consistently, not even on Dolphin. All they have to do is add more games to their library. Make the subscription actually worth it. The switch itself, is not that advanced. It uses a cartridge for crying out loud. Its just an overglorified DS.
@@Unknown_Genius
Actually with the way the industry is leaning with subscriptions, that's a very likely possibility too. The only counter to that is Nintendo's history with hardware only making baby steps from their previous console and building it with their previous one inside.
Ah, yes, force pirates to buy and jailbreak your loss leader, converting potential losses into guaranteed losses.
The perfect business model.
by stopping the tech to reverse engineer the keys in the first place,m youre not emulatin roms on ANY software.
nice job genius
Unlike everyone else, greedtrndo sells their outdated consoles at a profit
@@GooFly-v3jmaking it illegal will not make the pirates go away they will continue just underground
meanwhile the rest of the industry can't even make anything worth remembering except a number of studios and games that you can count on one hand
@@xXlURMOMlXx Huh, it looks like you're right. I guess they have to do that since they don't make enough games to make up for losses.
I wonder how much profit they get, because it can't be much. Their hardware is typically quite affordable.
Yuzu makes a better product in some ways than Nintendo. Nintendo should just see there is a giant audience on PC and make more money that way instead of with lawyers. Additionally, yeah emulation is the only way video games will survive hundreds of years into the future.
Almost as if they could monopolize an entire industry of bringing over their games on PC just by scooping up these emulation developers. The amount of time it takes to build code that can emulate physical hardware is excruciating. Emulation developers should be praised for their work, not shunned by these corporate puppets.
In the *horrible event* that this lawsuit does succeed and has a trickle doen effect on all current emulator projects etc. *I recommend that everyone absolutely keep a copy of the most current and up to date emulators on your devices.* This way at least if websites and projects get taken down. You should still be able to emulate safely in secret. (Backup all your files too. Cuz Lord knows certain websites have been getting taken down for years now.)
they're not going to win. look at the Sony vs Bleem lawsuit. Bleem won. Emulation doesn't violate copyright laws.
Nintendo is just throwing its weight around trying to scare developers and making yuzu go bankrupt.
Even when official websites take down their GitHub, you can rest assured that there will be a dozen others reposting.
thats what i do when a company suddenly strikes fan translations, like square did with FF0 or what they did to the whole PC fan translation to trails of azure/zero
There will always be ways to distribute the emulators. It'll be hard to censor absolutely everything. Emulation will always exist.
@@thefool8224 Damn I think I remember that actually. Back in the day when I would mod PSP's regularly, I remember when Final Fantasy Type-0 hadn't even come out in the west yet. We didn't get the game until almost 7 years or so later or something. So the only way to play it on PSP literally was the english fan translation people had made. That's so crazy.
What's angers me, depressed me, saddens me, annoyed me and confuse me to no end is that the video game industry is the only media companies in the world that could remove any of there physical media forever where in the books, tv, movie and the music industry you can both download and stream there medium on the any computer but also you can still get there physical medium. They are still making hard cover books with pages, you can still buy CD and some case real vinyl records, you can still buy DVD/ Blu-ray movies but for some ungodly reason the video gaming industry are just saying we don't care about video games as physical media just treat them as fast food items like a cheese burger and just eat them once and it's gone forever. WHY!?!?!
I don't think your example/statement is really accurate. Games can't really be forcefully removed from people's systems. They just remove the content from being sold from the store, which happens with other media too. In particular with music and videos they are media that also have DRM where if access to it is removed, you'd have to crack or pirate it to access it.
Although your overall point is still accurate, but you didn't cover _why._ Live service games specifically are the one form of media that can outright disappear without even being able to be preserved at all. This is because live service games (or at least proper ones that heavily rely on the server) require the server in order for the game to function, and with the server code lost, the game is lost with it.
This is why in my opinion it should be required by law to either open source server code when closing down servers, or else selling the code and server maintenance responsibility to another company. Of course legal issues are never so simple and one tough-to-resolve issue would be how does the law decide how much server support is sufficient? Like if 120 people daily want to play the game, would it be legal to have a server running that can only handle 8 players at a time? I guess one could say that it needs to be able to support everyone who wants to play, but then there's the matter of server stability. How stable is sufficiently stable? Still, I hope something gets done regarding this.
@@MsHojatI would instead say his example is accurate. Just more prophetic than literal.
@@MsHojat The games may not be removed from your system, but the companies could really easily ban your accounts that the game is registered to, disable their services or mess with the DRM. And guess what? You will still have the game but you won't be able to play it.
Physical movies are not be printed anymore
@@pakane24right but that's not exclusive to games at all that's just how digital media works
Nintendo: should we attempt to make our service better so less people pirate?
Nintendo: nahh, why don't we just sue 1 switch emulator.
Nintendo: how does that relate to reducing piracy?
Nintendo: It was about piracy?
funny thing is the new switch is gonna be coming out soon and THEY ARE GOING AFTER A NORMAL SWITCH EMULATOR LMAO
Burgers ?
@@YaBoiKTP If next console runs switch games (and we already know there was a showcase of it running BOTW at higher specs), then emulation is a massive competitor
@@Gala_KM A competitor to what? Emulators are 100% legal. You just have to dump YOUR console's and cartridge stuff to do it. Meaning that you already have to own a switch and the proper game that you're emulating.
Are there bad actors that don't do this? Of course there are, welcome to planet earth. But emulation is NOT a competitor, it's a means of playing games on potentially better hardware.
@@wdf70 agree to disagree. very very very easy to grab switch roms elsewhere. much easier than dumping your own, actually.
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
It isn't stealing but it's still illegal to own if that makes sense 🤔
But buying IS owning, you're just confused when it comes to what you're buying
@@Maximilian1990 Unfortunately it doesn't work like this with software. You buy a license that lets you enjoy the movie, game, etc. You don't buy the rights to the ip. It's basically an ticket. You buy the ticket and you can look at the shiny thing. You don't own the shiny thing and the ticket is non-transferable. The ticket is perpetual as long as the company allows it.
That being said it's very easy to lose this ticket, so people should have a right to making more copies of this ticket so long as they don't do it to make a profit for themselves.
@@Johny9405 Everything you said is true but the company that owns the ip has the last say in you being able to make the copies of your ticket. People will gladly keep giving said company money while ignoring those terms and then put up a shocked pikachu face once they realize the product they bought cannot be used anymore.
Youre dowloading full free games from that emulators 😂
imagine a world where Nintendo's legal team and developer team were just in different and unrelated companies
Nintendo makes great games, but their business practices are either questionable or unacceptable.
Japanese corpos @@PlahaKumar
@@PlahaKumarUh we have games like Mario Strikers battle League, Kirby Star Allies, Mario Tennis Aces, Mario Golf ultra smash, Pokemon Sword, Shield, Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl, Scarlet, Violet, Nintendo Switch Sports, they're pretty bad games
@@applehazeva2739Nintendo were using Copyright like Karen's which is ironic since a Karen was responsible for Copyright in the first place
THIS
We must preserve emulation.
Absolutely agree. Nintendo doesn't fully care about the old games. An even when they do its through a sh1tty imperfect subscription. Emulation should be protected because at least you don't have to worry about getting completely screwed over.
Most of the legacy content they never bother to redistribute, if it isn't a mario or zelda, nintendo won't resell it, and apparently won't let us play it on our own means, so what, are we just supposed to forget those thousands of games never happened? I don't want to live in a world against preservation.
@@SlavTiger same
@@SlavTiger Or they sell it and make limited copies (Mario 3D collection)
@fabianramos6033 If that's the case I'm glad I have protection for my computer.
@sule001 But as long as no one is emulating the game thats ok, right!? Clearly, the right way to use the IP is to do the bare minimum with it then let it rot, rather than give people the freedom of using it! ☝🏽
I always loved the saying "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing"
“Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
You are a pirate!” 🏴☠️
that is also retro arch too.
They call me black beard.
woah
Pass the hardtack and booze
🎵 Yar har, fiddle de dee! Being a pirate is alright to be. Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free. You are a pirate. 🎵 🏴☠️
I really hate what Nintendo does to it’s customers
It’s their property goofy
@@CristianMejiaMontielSo it's the costumer when they buy a physical copy lol
They are protecting their own property, piss off will ya
Yes we own nothing, sad state of things.
@@CristianMejiaMontiel It's not, when it comes to emulation.
Emulation is everything
I hope they don’t ban yuzu, how else can I play Diablo 3 and hades on my phone 😢
@@psycholol4855download it and keep it on your computer if the worst happens.
It’s theft
LET THIS NOT DISWADE.
HORDE YOUR ISO's / NSP's.
I know I've got some genuine gold +platinum tier ps2 / ps3s / xbox 360's roms but It's crazy awesome how much emulation has come " Look at fable 2 on the PC at the moment on Xenia" It's damn near coming close to RDR1 with some medium to hard amounts of effort to get to run properly.
Still makes me incredibly happy. c:
@@avery.a5948its not theft if you own the games dunce 💀
Im guessing the switch 2 builds on top of the switch which means yuzu can eventually emulate it with some effort, so they are doing a pre emptive strike in hopes of scaring them off/burying them in legal fees.
if you know how the switch 1 was hacked youll know that makes zero sense. The only reason switch emulators were developed as fast as they were, was because nintendo left a gaping hole in the Switch 1's security as soon as it released
@@M_CFV talking about the software and how backwards compatibility could open the way.
@@M_CFV Yes but that's the point op is saying, if switch next gen uses the same basis as switch then even if the next thing is a fortress that would not matter because firmwere was already leaked
I agree I have a feeling their next console will be nothing special and it'll be easy to get emulated in little time, possibly even as a branch of the switch emulator itself if theyre similar enough. Much like how Dolphin can be for both Wii and GC because of how similar they were
Things like this make me determined to never give Nintendo one cent of my money.
This exactly
@@kevinquirarte2365 If you attacked anyone, you'd be no better than Nintendo for suing emulation while remaining ignorant to the fact that it does more good than harm; you'd be attacking them out of spite being ignorant to the fact that you'll be stooping down to their level just to spite them. Better to just spread awareness and let people make informed decisions for themselves if they'll continue to consume the company's goods or completely avoid it entirely.
They got the last of my hard earned money when they shutdown the Wii U and N3DS eShops
Nintendo doesn't, and shouldn't care about the 0.00001% of the angry fans... They sell 10s of millions of copies to people who are happy to play a game once and never come back. 99.9% of people don't care about preservation.
Shouldn't have bought it when they planned to drop service, you're at fault.@@nsgames24
I hope people go up in arms against the lawsuit and support the yuzu team in mass or it's going be another Skyline situation.
To my knowledge, the Skyline devs were pretty young and afraid of potential outcomes even though they were 100% in the right, they themselves stepped down. Hopefully the Yuzu team is more experienced with these kind of things. It's still terrifying though. Even if the emulator stays up and open source like Skyline is right now, the point is to keep improving on it and supporting it constantly and that can only be done when the original devs are around.
Hopefully yuzu is but a memory.
@@andrewellisonleewhy?
@@doommaker4000 he's a Nintendo/anti emulation apologist. Don't ask reasoning from him.
The nintendo glazer @@andrewellisonlee
Pirating Nintendo games old and new is morally correct.
But how do I get the games?
y'all would do the same thing to the other two developers if your shitty pcs can emulate ps5 and xsx games lmao. Y'all just pirates.
I disagree. No valid argument for that can be made.
@@buizelmeme6288 Buy them and dump them, roms could be found for older games but at least pay a bit for what you're playing by buying some merch or anything
@@raskolnikov6443if U don't own what U buy then pirating isn't stealing
God I love Nintendo:
Relaying on 7-year-old hardware to house there broken and laggy games,
Delaying their console by at least a year so that everything gets pushed back.
Charging $70 for games because of their apparent quality, when we all know they just did it because it was Zelda and they can get away with it
Preventing fans from legally playing their old games by Deleting their services, charging you at a supreme to play their own emulated version of it that's somehow even worse than the original
And now getting rid of the best emulator people have to actually play their games in a good frame rate with other quality of life features
Got to love em
And its obvious Nintendos legal teams just milks the company to "prove" their worth
To be fair, the only “broken” games they have really been releasing is Pokémon. Also, they probably delayed the next hardware because not all of their games for it are ready. It’s not like they wanted to miss the holiday season. Believe me, I bet they were quite upset about delaying it for that reason. Besides all of that, I agree with your sentiments
@@FluffyMustache Yeah, but when you talk about nintendo in any way, shape, or capacity, you *gotta* accept the fact they are shitty people, through and through.
modern gaming companys- we love our consumers.
also modern gaming companys- how can we suck all the money and happiness out of every living thing around us
Funny thing is the switch 2 is just gonna be the exact same crap all over again just more money lol and nintendo fanboys will still buy that crap 🤣
Another thing; you don't even NEED an emulator to pirate games! A hacked Switch, with the right sigpatches installed, can also play pirated games! It's getting to the point where I never want to touch another Nintendo product ever again.
@Kira-hr5iu.. Do you know what a GPU is for? The only reason people "need" a 3080 is because they like pretty pixels on max resolutions like 4k or even 8k. A 1080 is still fine a decade after it's release if you don't care about that, though, like me. I don't particularly care how a game looks as long as the frame rate is consistent snd the gameplay is fun. And as someone supporting Nintendo slop, you automatically don't care about graphical fidelity just like I don't, so try a bit harder to find something to say next time aside from people liking good graphics = devs have poor optimisation
@Kira-hr5iuUnlike Nintendo, Microsoft and Steam have understood want consumers want. They also know if they dont give what the consumer wants, then hackers will bust their systems to archive what they want. This is what did actually happen to Sony and Nintendo many times. That is why you have the option to buy many retro games, on their official stores. Microsoft also included many, many original Xbox and Xbox360 games in their store. If you have an Xbox One or Xbox Series console, you can play the games. Also Microsoft, what seems to be in future, will provide cloud service to play the games on the cloud's hardware. What both Steam and Microsoft's approach are far better than Nintendo's service; forcing you to pay for a subscription to play old games but you dont own them nor do they not have the game you desire available. True, Nintendo has very high quality standards for their games, but their lackluster approach to make old games inaccessible to a point people cant purchase a game for a fair price and the money goes directly to the company without having to pay exorbitant prices from 2nd hand sellers. Nintendo is still can't understand what people want.
@Kira-hr5iu If you notice, I didn't say a number on the frame rate. I don't care what the frame rate is, I only care that it stays at that number. Consistency. I don't really care if the devs are passionate, or care at all about the game, I only care if I'm enjoying it, if the gameplay loop is fun for me. A dev enjoying working on it doesn't matter to me personally, if the end result is still fun.
Are unhappy devs likely to make unfun games? Yeah. But then I just won't play that game because it's not fun, it really is that simple.
As for the comment on the PS5.. I mean, it's up to you why you would want a new console. I got a PS5 strictly because I wanted better loading times on my already existing PS4 library. A good example is the average quest in Monster Hunter World on PS4 would take 45-60 seconds to load after posting it. On the PS5, it takes around 5 seconds at most. The decrease in the amount of time I'm sitting in loading screens or waiting for things to load, wasting what time I do have to play games, was worth the money for the new console.
@@forestmanzpediaWait. lol. You said , “Microsoft and Steam know what their customers want….” Remind again what their sales are like. Nintendo has sold more consoles and games than both of those companies combined! Clearly they don’t know what customers want because no one is buying their products. At least no where near Nintendo. Comments like this make realize games don’t know anything about business.
@@alexmendez3681 Microsoft didn't start producing consoles until 2001, and the Steam Deck didn't come out until 2022. Microsoft's earliest games were released in a time where the average person didn't even own a computer, much less played games on them, meaning they were *really* niche. Steam didn't exist until 2003, and Valve's first game, Half-Life, wasn't released until 1998. Are you really surprised that Nintendo, the company selling video games and consoles since 1983, outsold them both?
All the money they spend on these lawyers trying to ruin gaming for us, could be used to improve their own games and hardware. But nope, this is where we are. Their personal greed to keep selling us the same thing over and over, of course they would rather us lose the ability to emulate.
You are conflating piracy with emulation. That is what Nintendo wants too. Piracy is stealing, and stealing is wrong. Emulation is a tool for storage and preservation, and should not be conflated with piracy.
@np153Garlix it is morally correct to pirate nintendo games
@@np153Garlix Personally if you ask me the only merit "piracy is stealing" has is for games that Nintendo themselves no longer offer for purchase. For example games like Buck Bumble or Hot Wheels Turbo Racing on the N64 you literally cannot play those games anymore unless you want to A) emulate them or B) buy a pre-owned copy from a 3rd party aka a consumer selling their copy of the game on Ebay or wherever. Neither of those options hurt Nintendo in any way because they literally aren't missing out on any deserved profits from their games as they aren't allowing you to purchase those games anymore.
@@np153Garlixfor Nintendo is it not just about piracy they are an old Japanese company that still holds to the old Japanese concept that the corporation it always in the right and should always have full control.
@np153Garlix Wrong is a subjective feeling.
You know what's gonna facilitate more piracy? The news of this law suit.
yep, i anticipate a great influx of patreons on yuzu
@pmangano yup they're biggest mistake, why open patreon since money is always easy target for Nintendo lawsuit
Can't wait for this to get slapped down, Nintendo doesn't have a case.
They only have one thing against yuzu but the whole suit is based on pirates able to use their product to pirate games. Sadly it can go either way.
What they do have though, is money.
@@darkshadowsaver nah pirates can use computers to pirate games so that's not a case
@@themyth3656 re read my comment please Nintendo is suing for two things yuzu having to backwards engineering and using protected coding, and pirates using yuzu to pirate their game example tears of the kingdom. None of them are a case but can be judged as one whole to further ruling against emulators in itself. This is just grandstanding on Nintendo part as they can win this suit using dirty tactics to prolong the case. The case in itself is mainly based on pirates using a tool to play pirated games.
I feel like you don't need a case when you have money...
It's truly frustrating to see Nintendo taking this stance against emulation, particularly as it plays such a crucial role in preserving gaming history. It's like blaming the hammer for the damage, instead of the person wielding it. Seems more like a power game than a genuine concern about piracy.
When companies act like that. Piracy is 100% justifyable.
Acting like what, protecting their intellectual property?
@Maximilian1990 that is just their excuse to assert monopoly and control.
IP protection laws and copyright have mostly been used by big corporations to bully people and group that have less financial power. They don't want competition.
As Mutahar said, playing on an emulator can be sometimes miles better than on the official hardware. That is the competitive edge. Instead of investing on innovation and make better hardware with better protection to compete, they just want the easy way out.
There are so many bad consequences of this monopoly approach. Anti-consumer, anti-culture, etc. to name a few.
The switch needs a model 2 and honestly. It is THEIR fault that their hardware is so easy emulate with ease unlike the ps3 and 360. The ps4 right now is getting emulated and so what's the issue?
it's not lol. it's just an excuse for you to get free games.
@@Gala_KM Lol you act like these companies are your friends. How about they stop with their subscription model to play four decades worth of roms? There's no excuse to rent genesis roms from a virtue console that was objectively better on the Wii and Wii U. Renting roms is annoying, if it was a one time purchase that would be good.
Also emulation preserves games fundamentally by removing copy protection, online requirements, and generally does a net positive of accessablity. The DS is hard to emulate.
I own a SteamDeck, PSVita, new3DS, and 2DS, even the switch...
Nintendo should've done another " new3ds" situation just so there is a better way to play Switch games without being feeling sluggish in comparison toTHE Steam Deck?
It’s a shame that some of the best game franchises in the world are owned by one of the most consumer-last companies in gaming.
You dont own nothing to the megacorps
Hey Brandon. Feel free to make your own line of video games. Go ahead.
@@alexmendez3681
If I knew how, I sure wouldn’t treat my consumers like crap as Nintendo does.
@@brandonkruse6412 That’s what you say now because you don’t have knowledge of how business works. But when you IP takes off, you gotta fight emulators chewing into your hard work because you gotta feee your employees and your family. You gotta pay attorneys and marketing reps. You gotta pay rent and electricity. The list goes on. It’s easy to talk when you’re on the outside. Go ahead, make your own line of games.
@@alexmendez3681
Of course. But it’s a good thing there’s no evidence to support the claim that Emulation has hurt Nintendo financially.
Are we really going to argue that a company valued at 65 billion is being financially affected by a small niche of people emulating their games? Many people like myself own all of the games that we emulate.
The DMCA needs to be abolished. Permanently. And the United States of America needs to go back to the Copyright Act of 1790.
The US has the worst laws in the entire world.
stupidest thing i've ever heard, we should do this lmao
Honestly I'd love to see how much chaos would ensue
@@XioverzeWithout the DMCA. You still have the "Mickey Mouse Protection Act". Copyright lasts 95 years in the United States of America.
That would be amazing everything up to 2010 would be public domain.
Well, hopefully some bigger creators can help mobilize their viewer bases to crowdfund Yuzu's team from being bullied into bankruptcy. We know how Gary Bowser's life is basically over because of Nintendo being a pain in the bum, so I don't wanna see other peoples' lives end at the hands of the Big N.
The law is changing. The domino effect is in play. The backdoors, the information, it's all been building to this. We're all in trouble. It's like I said sometime ago. Tome to enjoy what small scraps of fun we can still have before they rip that away from us to.
This lawsuit is on such shaky ground, I fail to see how this is going anywhere but trying to bankrupt yuzu financially.
I could feel how done you were and I agree, This whole situation with companies and game preservation has made me tired.
As a NES baby, I feel you Muta. I'm willing to do a few legally grey things in order to keep gaming history alive so that my kids and grandkids can continue to enjoy the things that I did growing up. It's part and parcel of building a culture. If your history is taken from you, it's almost impossible to have something to build on.
I understand keeping gaming history alive, but the Switch is a current gen system.
@@chrisnelson2948and what does that have to do with preserving games? The switch will eventually become a older generation console and then it'll be in the same exact predicament
@emberavenge7162 couldn't have stated it better. Eventually time will come to try and claim all that we hold dear.
@@chrisnelson2948current gen but has way less games than a wii and wii u with like a hand full of emulated games while millions are not purchasable or able to obtain? 😂 come on man even xbox has more backwards compatabile games and that speaks volume
Ryujinx still exists but damn💀with like less than a year left for The Switch, they do this? Where have they been for the last 5 years when Yuzu appeared? lmao
They are next dont worry.
Because they "Switch 2" will have all the Switch Games and Nintendo doesn't want ppl to play their Games in 4k @60FPS. They want you to buy the Game again, to play it in 1080p @30 FPS
I hate how real this sounds.
Probably because Switch 2 is fully backwards compatible and so Yuzu would be able to run Switch 2 games with ease much like how Dolphin can run Wii and Gamecube games.
@@OraOraOra that's exactly what rockstar did btw. when they got their crappy trilogy out, they took down fan made stuff that was obviously better so their product don't get overshadowed... which didn't work at all.
I like how they're going after an emulator and not the websites with all the actual Nintendo game ROMs
They are. They have been for years.
They've been for years, hence why you literally only download from trusted sites. Otherwise you may stumble upon a ROM that got trackers and they sue you. Why you? Well, because you downloaded an illegal copy. What does it do against piracy? Nothing. But why should it? If you can't stop the core issue you deter people from participating in it.
I remember emuparadise. ._.
DMnnn wrdd yea you old like me 😂😂😂 @@MaoRatto
@@MaoRatto it shutting down was emulation 9/11, thank god we still got vimm
Just remember that regardless of whether you like Yuzu or not, this is about more than Yuzu. This is your class interest being attacked by a corporation. This isn't just over piracy for Nintendo either. They and their ilk (like Sony and Microsoft as well) want a world where they can do the Disney's vault tactic with everything to upsell and completely control your purchases.
Case and point: the limited time Mario games. Disgusting
That pretty much sums it up. They want to be able to sell any game that they ever made again at full price to anyone. Even to people that already purchased it. They just don't care that some games might never be re-released. Which is my biggest problem with the entire premise. We need emulators for that, which gets in the way of them potentially reselling .
@@emilsundstrom3477*fan-emulators. Nintendo uses emulation to re-release the games. Make that clear.
@@90sNath Yes, thanks for clarifying. It's the open source emulators or the community-driven ones that they have a problem with.
Yeah okay but Yuzu paywalled the sharing of new and leaked releases, it's not like they're innocent here. They actively competed with Nintendo's sales in this case, it gives the scene a bad look when we rally around these practices.
It kind of makes me wonder if part of the reason why they're going after them now with the switch two around the corner is because the switch two is basically going to be the switch pro and not much else of a change.
their argument is so goofy, its like if AT&T were to get sued because "their network is sometimes used by criminals to communicate with each other"
"sometimes"as if 99% werent using it for piracy
All this does is make me want to pirate more of Nintendo’s stuff, if only just to spite them
I really do not want to buy a Nintendo game ever again.
If Nintendo loses this lawsuit there fucked for ever suing another one again. It will set legal precedent which will be awesome
They won't lose because it is they ip and they got good lawyers that know what they're doing unfortunately.
@Johny9405 there hasn't been 1 case where a company sues emulators and they win. I think there was just ONE time where a game company won and that was because the emulator was straight up ripping and using like 90% of the source code. Most emulators are custom code with a splash of the original source code. They are not going to win.
Uh oh they won, make that 2 companies@@Super_Death
@@glassebster8786 they won because the yuzu devs knew what they were doing and explicitly had guides on how to get the decryption and prod. Keys. They settled because they knew they were promoting piracy blatantly. No other emulators do this.
It should be law that games that can no longer be played or ported on modern hardware (less than 10 years old) should be completely free to distribute and use as long as code is not copied to make other games.
I feel that is a very fair point.
Which is why everyone shilling for yuzu are total morons lol
Internet Dwellers: Palworld is copying Pokémon, Sue them!
Nintendo: Sue Palword!? Nah, I got my legal target on different prey. . . .
Well, it would help if the Internet dwellers were right this time
Fortunately for Palworld those internet dwellers are nothing more than raging fanboys. Nintendo has no legs to stand on going after Palworld otherwise they would have long before the game actually released. They would have had it pulled from Steam. Literally the only similarities between Pokemon and Palworld is the art style of the "Pals" and that is it. If you dig into the history books as well Pokemon "stole" a lot of their designs from a game called Dragon Quest that released 10 years before the first Pokemon game. Trust me if Nintendo had a toe, let alone a leg, to stand on with Palworld they would have acted.
No surprise, Nintendo hates fun
Nintendo absolutely hates anyone enjoying anything of theirs. All this is gonna do is cement them as one of the most hated gaming companies in recent years
The creators of the best games ever hate fun?
@a5948Nintendo has literally been shady since day one of their video game empire, so, yes. Look into how they screwed over the team they worked with to release the original Donkey Kong.
@@avery.a5948 they only want you to play the way they intend for you to play them
@@avery.a5948 I guess you'd think their games are the best there is if you haven't played anything else
They’re seemingly not going after the emulator themselves, but the Patreon profit increase from the leaked TotK rom.
Honestly, with them starting that Patreon, promoting pirated games on the emulator itself like XC3, etc, I’m not surprised, but it still sucks and resorting to suing is terrible.
This is why emulator marketers need to keep their mouths closed.
But don't they specifically not promote piracy? Pretty sure any Piracy discussion is completely banned on their Discord as well.
@@KS-zt4nd Even so, Nintendo doesn't like anyone to make money to anything tangentially related to their intellectual property.
@GHOSTSTARSCREAMno! That’s why most are open source. Once you try to capitalize off Nintendo directly the lawyers get involved.
@GHOSTSTARSCREAMThe loophole is donations. Also, Yuzu's code is open source. That should've been plenty to keep Nintendo in their place, but here we are.
Yeah, they crossed a grey area a bit too far when they start to profit like that. Do it for the love of preservation, or the pirate spirit. Doing it for money really is what makes it actual theft.
We need to acknowledge people about it publicly so they will never want to buy from Nintendo again
I think the average costumer doesnt really care about this emulation drama
@@e-tean-son4146 they will care about what NINtendo does ALONG with making games, and when they find out, they won't care HOW family friendly NINtendo's games are. cause it's at all not friendly, parents and other NINtendo comsumers will quit on the company and only buy games ported on the switch NOT made by them
They previously complained about smash tournaments being canceled until they forgot it a few months or weeks. Really, it just a losing battle anyway.
@@juanbriones5989 this is difference. online smash tournamant is difference from an emulation.
There should be a law that says a company can only claim ownership until after they’ve stopped selling it
That would be wrong. It may work out for video games, but it would be completely tyrannical and evil in other industries.
But how do you measure it. Nintendo is still selling games like Mario 64, but not all retro games. How do you know what will come back one day? It's impossible. And if you only consider original cartridges/discs or whatever then that would be total chaos since it means that anyone could simply sell Mario Galaxy or make a new game with the Mario Galaxy Mario and release it on the Internet and Nintendo could do nothing about it which is obviously wrong.
@@gaker19scthat is really not a problem. Just put a small timeframe of let's say 5 years between releases or else you lost all rights to it forcing them to keep it always available or lose all rights to it early.
@@np153Garlixmay I ask which industries you think would suffer from it?
@@rynobehnke8289 Companies that buys the patents that could compete with their own product just to not do anything with it.
page about dumping stuff doesn't mean anything really
what it requires:
- physical console
- physical game (amiibo)
so even if you look at it, then it requires you to have all things needed to play that game, so it doesn't have any financial threat towards nintendo, if it was linking to any database of games, then it would be whole other story, but if one person with knowhow could do it and make that database, then there's no reason to blame them if they have guide to do it yourself instead of downloading it for free
so in logical way, it doesn't in any way affect nintendo revenue, i think the only way it could be used is that person could buy a copy and he with his family and friends could use one copy, dunno if one copy of game can do that or if it's like console bound in any way, so yeah, nothing they should be able to do if court has any brain cells intact
If the lawsuit progresses we need to show Yuzu support. The community can beat Nintendo
This video made me donate to their patreon. This lawsuit from Nintendo is built upin many fallacies and I hope Nintendo doesn't get their grubby hands on yuzu for the sake of the entire emulation space, and I hope this helps them out up the best legal fight possible.
"If I could emulate on my tombstone after I die i probably would"
-Mudahar
Edit: thanks for the likes!
Nintendo move ur games to the pc if u hate emulators
8:43 Actually, the game was perfectly playable on Ryujinx, without any mods, like 10 days before release.
This is essentially the guns kill people vs people kill people argument coming from nintendo
There might be a slight difference between giving an 18 year old a loaded grenade and a silly lil emulator that makes it easier to play pirated games
@@monhi64You’re missing the point. They’re saying people blame what was used for the crime and not the crime itself.
Smoothbrain take @@monhi64
@@laymankeepitbrief exactly, people don’t get analogies anymore
Exactly
The thing I have never understood about attacking emulators it that is such a niche small part of their revene. Most emulator users go for old games they can buy, and playing any recent game on an emulator requires a monstrously strong computer and literal teams of devs creating patches so that the game works on pc. Ultimately is just a niche portion of their users that is just doesn't make sense.
I think you're overselling how hard it is to emulate Switch games. You can run them on flagship smartphones now, and the Switch hardware is very underpowered.
I would agree that it's fairly niche, however.
It’s not that niche. The amount of people who brag about pirating switch games is crazy. Idk why they are going for yuzu though. Fitgirl is probably the one that would make sense
@@562.anthony2 probably going after yuzu instead of fitgirl because yuzu is nintendo shit.
Lmao no, most emulators are used to play pirated versions of games old and new
recent games don't need a monster computer. they just want to make sure that current gen isn't accessible to be pirated
4:25 Then the problem is with the copy-protections. The Law states that you can dump copies. If the only way to do it is by using a 3rd party app that has to force a bypass against those copy protections, it's the developers fault for putting them in place, or for not distributing a first party software that allows dumping
You can dump copies of games you own.
Take Ubisoft games as an example (as I don't know the EULAs for nintendo games and don't bother to look them up honestly), you haven't owned Ubisoft games for the past 15 years, they made it very clear. So yeah... next to the fact that they potentially could just make AppIDs on console unusable if they feel like it (and therefor disks unless you want to reset your console, keep it offline and play an unpatched version) - however, that also includes not being applicable to the allowance of keeping an extra copy. As none of the content on the disc (or the installed game files/installers) is owned by you.
@@Unknown_Genius I'm talking about copyright law here, EULA is below the law, and if EULAs don't comply with the law, that's a different issue. By law, no company can say you cannot dump a game you own. If Ubisoft EULA states that you don't own what you buy from them, they are committing a different crime (some variation of fraud) by using the words "purchase" and "buy" when you acquire it
Yeah, and you got it right there. A game you own. They however never sold you a game, you purchased a license from them to access said content until the license is terminated by you or them - it's nothing different to paying for Netflix except that it's a one time fee and only includes the content you licensed from them. The days of games being sold to you from most bigger companies have been replaced by a try to not sell you anything 15 years ago - and it worked fantastically fine which is why we are here.
@n_Genius That's why Piracy is the best thing that ever happened. Even then, in most cases it continues to constitute fraud, unless you live somewhere stupid. To me it has personally never happened, not once. And if it did, I'd immediately pirate the shit out of it, because I paid for it, so I'm keeping it. Regardless, we are talking physical copies here, not digital downloads
@@Unknown_Genius * They however never sold you a game, you purchased a license from them to access said content*
IMO them claiming this doesn't change that the physical medium with the game content is still mine, and that format shifting is something that exists as a fair use for other formats (and therefore PURELY IMO should follow with games too if it doesn't already).
I totally feel you on your reasons for making these videos, Muta. I too grew up playing those games, and want to see them kept around for the future.
I fixed several nintendo switches and let me tell you. The cheap parts they use break easily especially the game cartridge part. Third party parts were actually more durable than stock parts came from Nintendo and that says a lot.
To anyone playing emulators, there are certain emulators that let you connect to a site retroachievements, so you can get that extra dopamine hit while playing a classic. People are making sets (achievements) constantly for almost all retro games. Heck, they even got achievements for the Virtual Boy. But for that, the real achievement is not letting your eyes melt.
6:32 Ah yes, my favorite. A black screen.
Well, the dev has just nuked the git repo.
*Press F to pay respects*