One of these days every video game will be gone and emulated games can save their history. Hopefully greedy Game Companies can't take that away forever.
Are you also trying to save TypeWriters, VCRs, old car models, what are you doing to save near-extinct animals oh but you only care about video-games going away forever.*
To be honest Emulation can preserve some games that are forgotten had a limited print run like Gotcha Force being the example of being popular in emulation and got a reprint in the 2010s (unfortunately only in Japan)
Without emulation; there'd be no way to play the Bandai WonderSwan-only Digimon games that tie the stories of Adventure 02 and Tamers together, as those games never got ported/released to any other system, and otherwise are stuck bit-rotting away on the WonderSwan that was a Japan-only device.
Not just the emulators but also the fan games as well, Whenever Nintendo takes down any of them, it proceeds to stay on the internet forever. What I don't like about the Nintendo negativity hate situation is when people blame Nintendo as a whole, They drag in the developers and the employees considering the fact they have absolutely nothing to do with the DMCA legal team that makes those decisions.
I agree. While Nintendo may have the right to do what they do, as they own the IP, they are basically fighting a futile battle, as people who have already downloaded a fan game that the Mario company gets taken down can re-upload it on torrent sites.
Honestly I think the much bigger concern is that companies have been able to successfully redefine what it means to purchase software. All you can 'purchase' now is a revokable license.
for now, but with how Sony is handling things, I think they may be ripe for a lawsuit challenging that. And I don't mean individual. I mean Class action.
Most of these companies would die off if they couldn't resell the same game to people multiple times with slight graphical changes. Gotta delete those old versions!
I definitely recommend checking out OpenEmu! It’s a multi-system emulator built for MacOS that’s super intuitive and user-friendly. I’m sure modern macs have no problem running things up to the PS3, but even my old iMac from 2012 can comfortably play a lot of systems
@@youtubeuniversity3638 everything cames from Open-Souce code is closed-souce - when is profitable for them to turn it into a proplem Sony: think using open-souce browser was a good idea like if they can see the code they can see if their a backdoor IOS or andoird they will never end emulators because is funny to void the proplems than dealing with them
This comment may not be about emulation, but I absolutely adore Ship of Harkinian If you don't know what that is, it's a fanmade PC/Mac/Linux/Steam Deck/Wii U/Switch port of ZeldaRET's reverse-engineered OoT source code There's also a fanmade Android port in active development
Much like Disney with copyright laws, amirite? Anyone else feel like the legal system should bar companies of a certain size from influencing laws or even taking part of protection intended for David, not Goliath? I mean, after some point Mario, Pikachu and Mickey become public property due to how popular these characters are, even if in law it says they belong to their respective owners. It's like, encourage profiting off your work, but not abusing IPs because they're big and easy cash cows recognized by everyone on the planet.
I will continue to regurgitate this saying: pirates and by proxy emulation are like a hydra, Nintendo’s super pointless crusade can cut off heads but the greater beast will respawn two more
I personally don't understand why most companies they behave badly to the country in every way the can. For not giving acsees to old game that not longer available to buy for them up to close ROM sites pirate games website, Close online tournament on covit. And nitendo it's not the only company that does stuff like that most companies are guilty with that in one way or they other.
and that is why lawyers make laws as obnoxious and _ loopholy_ as possible. If you don't understand, you cannot disagree (or agree) (and yes language of speech: lawmakers make laws. But lawyers are the ones who actually write them)
Imagine if after X years of not selling a game at all a company couldn't legally claim it anymore. Imagine Nintendo started losing rights to games they refused to make available.
For far too many games, the only way of playing them today, is via emulation. The 3ds and Wii U are officially dead. You can only purchase these games via hard copies from second hand sources, or find a way to download them. In both cases, Nintendo makes 0 moneys. Hell they even shut off their own eshops. All of that content they put so much time into making can’t make them money in any way, so emulating is the only way to play these games
That's good btw. They are clearly still homing in on Yuzu and direct Yuzu derivatives and don't attack contemporary emulators(some of which are paid btw. Which is legal, but supposedly "it is risky now" for some reason, according to some people) or older retro-emulation. In essence, they now showed us that they prefer to strike at air rather than actually fighting emulation. Most likely for weird priorities in the office than anything else, but a W for us is still a W for us. People should use this clearance as a sign to stop cr*pping their pants that they are going to be shot in the butt for contributing to Dolphin or Cemu. 2:23 Otherwise known as the only way to get semi-legal emulation running, so it basically is about the emulation still. Tbh, it kinda sucks that Yuzu gave you directions on how to get the keys dumped, because not doing that would have not painted a target on their forehead, but this is really a problem of the law being really wishy-washy. Documenting and even including all the common keys, including internal debug keys needed for some developer game builds, from the DSi and Wii are evidently entirely fine because those sites and emulators are still kicking, but using keys that you are expected to get from buying an actual console is somehow a major issue, even tho nonsense like that just incentivises the user to actually circumvent the protection like the decrypted 3DS games Citra wants by default. 3:01 Honestly, there should have been a quote from that one PCSX2 emulator dev saying "We won't support Magicgate, shut up!" as a joke. 3:36 Idk, I have seen quite a few emulators have the same stance I have seen from Yuzu. If you openly pirate, then they don't want to talk to you about it, but general trouble shooting surrounding roms is infact provided, because that is literally how you use the emulator to begin with. If they deleted everything to do with a rom(wait, at least one of these actually did and it was a sh*tshow. Was it the Ryujinx forums? I don't remember), then there would be no error reports anymore. Of course, idk what the Yuzu discord looked like, I only visited some other Yuzu-related sites. 6:24 Dumping PS2 Bios to get game to boot: Entirely fine. Dumping keys to get game to boot: *Initiating destructor sequence* 6:55 Funfact, they don't and they won't. If nothing else, even emulation being specifically outlawed would not stop piracy because...what are you going to do against them? Double-punish them? Authorities barely ever persue downloaders to begin with because they have more legit concerns. This situration only made it harder for non-pirate users who just wanted to play in a better resolution. 8:09 I would be surprised if some weren't, but there are enough epic stories about how people straight up don't know if it is legal or not. Infact, I heard several reports that the public did not even realize any change was made in the story at 8:14, they just carried on doing what they always did regardless of what the law stated. In the realm of videogames, there is also the very ironic thing where some people who play on emulator are for some reason more willing to buy a game multiple times...or at least I got the NSO expansion pack despite being on a 0-care relationship with big N wanting us to follow the rules. Maybe it is a convinience thing or a kind of internal Karma system saying we balance our usage somehow, or maybe both.
If I want to download a Nintendo Gameboy game rom that's like 30 years old Nintendo can't stop me because they aren't making money off of it anymore so there for it's legal to download old Nintendo ROMs from the Internet.
It’s not legal to do that. They still own the copyright for that. Whether it’s _moral_ is another question (one that I’m not willing to answer), but it is most definitely not legal.
@@jodyjohnson265 "There's actually no legal precedent saying you can or can't share ROM files online, but you can absolutely dump your ROMs legally." There is no legal precedent for sharing roms online because its illegal to do so.
People have this really silly concept that Nintendo hates emulation, that is not true, they love emulation, especially one that they made so they can charge us a subscription fee LOL. They only hate emulators that they themselves did not make
Emulation is here to stay for gaming preservation that many years later, a material might be forgotten. And Copyright is a big issue for an author's consent, especially very few companies like Nintendo which regards for their quality control, not the fans nor preservation. That’s why I started disliking conservative-companies like it.
Dumping your own ROMs must logically be legal because otherwise an emulator cannot function, so that's protected to. Whether sharing the ROMs online is ok or not is a grey area, but if video game publishers had their way you wouldn't be able to lend a physical game disk to a friend. I say steal everything that's not nailed down.
Curious, when dumping an old CD of mine to my iTunes library, the iTunes app immediately prompted me asking if I wished to add the CD to my iTunes library. For everyone in the states, do you get this option from the iTunes app?
in fact there is a part of the people who are governed by the laws, these are those who spend their time sucking Nintendo while the latter offers them the shittiest console of the moment and games with N64 graphics.
this is expacly when the compnoy that own thrid patry ips that are have full creatvie fn punlcing control rights chose to just themselfs to bacly have ported ther gams e form nendio conusles hardware to emlators have decide that they won't let niendto tell them thid party ip holders what there ip on emlation platrom progames can and can not be. like serosly ther alot thrid party ip cied ogame licance holders have been porting bacly on the older nes and other thrid party games on netndo consules have been being ported by thsoe same third party to bacly steam and other offcal websites mad wit hther own homebrew emlator bescu they want to sell ther old ip titels but they have gootend sick and tried of neitndo bacly C***blocking them so the third party ip holder do the emealton proting themselfs and bacly give nendio the middle finger. i have seen alot of thrid party ip vied ogame licanse hodlers bacly been baypsing nitndo on ther own emeation rules themselfs.
because we started them in the first place The Owner will aways start it before is become good because if they made the game for us to buy No review or plays because I think how did nintedo becomes famous in the first place By ads - not just their games i use games as a menu full of games ( Or an Legal Stock market ) ( More famous the game becomes = Profits goes up ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- emulators shows why games died in the first place -- Lack of support on other systems -- No 4K for high-end gamers for locked game -- Too many Owners to profits even higher -- They still outdated in 2024 -- Nintendo still uses SD CARD for games -- Nintendo games - Cost my sister for pokemon game all her game was £4.99-£8.99 each now because i sell it for £35 or £55 EACH ( Got a xbox series X for £89 ) = for 825GB ( 4 games = £55) ( 4 games for ( 35 )
@@avadoksorem2854 Says the same consumers that support groomers in The Smash Community, wanting Shigeru Miyamoto gone or dead because of story changes, Weegeepie and a whole lot more. I think there's a reason why Nintendo has trust issues with its fans, It could be our faults and it shows
@@avadoksorem2854 The Smash Community isn't the only one I've mentioned, remember the Yuzu monetize their emulator and you're not allowed to do that while the switch is still being sold, wanting to gun down anyone that works for Nintendo during the Gmod situation? There's more going on behind the scenes than I'm sure any other UA-camr didn't even bother looking up more accurately, Especially the Joy-con Boyz Charity scam, More behind the scenes, drama, the Smash Community and a whole lot more! UA-camrs should do more accurate research
@@avadoksorem2854 No wonder Nintendo has trust issues with its fanbase, It's filled with terrible people, Weegeepie, Death threats, tons of misinformation and many more and they know it! They're just too pissy to admit it
It's not a question of "killing emulation", but "stopping the creation of counterfeit digital copies of their intellectual property (the actual activity that is often referred to as software/internet piracy), which they spent a lot of money to make originally, and currently retain property ownership rights over". That's why it is called a *COPY* right. The basic law of property is that you're the sole determiner of whether someone else can duplicate it since you already did the initial hard work of making it. I've noticed some people being dumb and saying "one day, every video game will be gone". This is simply incorrect, given Nintendo has long maintained a museum containing working examples of their products. Whether or not they mass-produce and sell large quantities of physical copies of those games again is ultimately and ironically a question of whether people turn en mass against digital distribution of software (which is very unlikely, but entirely the end consumer's fault).
Sadly no. I can barely find some PS1 games with pirated translation, because nobody reuploaded them for decades, and old forum gone long ago. Or fan dub of some anime I worked on. It was disappeared within site and torrent nobody seeded. I like Tera Online, but this MMO dead forever...
@@x149te There may be some extreme outliers, but if you loved PS1 games you must be between 30~45 years old already, some PS1 games lovers of that era are already dead. Tera you might still find some private servers.
@@MangaGamified I also wanted to play Non-f2p version of Perfect World, but nobody would able or interested in buying it. I wonder how many indie games disappeared without good sells. How many flash games are saved? Who remember Microsoft Silverlight games (3D browser games)? I can't find one PC game I'm searching over 10 years. Educational game for kids how to use PC (keyboard controls, mouse controls) in atmosphere of spaceship.
@@youtubeuniversity3638 If u did not buy it, you must be the last generation to inherit physical copies, even my youngest cousins who I played with are older than you.
They are not emulating the game they are normally just reverse engineering the system. Some can use a bios that an owner can removed from their owned system to improve compatibility with purchased games.
Nintendo is getting to big for their britches. Emulation isn't illegal. As long as the devs are not encouraging piracy or charging money, there is legitimately nothing they can do legally for the rest of the emulators.
Remember when some companies said that "$70 for a game is too cheap, we'd like $100"? I think it was either EA, Blizzard or Ubisoft, but I don't remember.
@@VideoGameStarChannelSupreme if 100$ got me a game that is actually worth 100$ and i can play it till the day i die i wouldent mind paying 100$ for a game
@@LeeroyGoldmane I honestly agree that most games have trouble being worth the full $70 sticker. Was a bit surprised when I saw Nintendo's Princess Peach Showtime (physical) game costing $55 in the US. That's a miracle. But, ultimately that's subjective. SSX for me is only a level creator/editor away from being worth $70, but I'm very sure some people would disagree.
Emulators also have too many useful controls given to the user, that enhances the game experience. Pokemon with 10x speed is a lot more fun for battles.
It's less being dumb more being soulcrushed. There's folks who think Nintendo is three unfavorable lawsuits away from turning to death squads. Can't have emulation if there's nobody left to perform it...
@@youtubeuniversity3638 Lets hope Nintendo don`t do any emulator themself Let hope emulators are runned by their own team -- Only people who would know the code themself (Nintendo staff can be made mad because they can`t even do it ) backwards compatibility - need a emulator to even run them
@@M-W-A-V I really like Nintendo from NES/Famicon to Wii U. They used to be a good deal gaming console for consumers back in the day. Now they just became anti consumers more than Sony and Xbox as well as Meta Quest combined. Worse paid online service that have worse connection that even a free online service did far better, 1st party games that cost $60 forever that never get a low price drop no matter how old or how bad quality it has, overpriced hardwares, a hybrid gimmick like handheld to docked already have been done in Gameboy so that's not even something new by Nintendo, they acted like they rule the world by getting putting people to jail.
I don't care about Suyu. I still have Yuzu working just fine and Ryujinx has much better talent and developers than a bunch of raging 14 year kids can do.
Sony and Microsoft don't have this issue because their current games are difficult to run even on top of the line equipment, unless you like lower FPS and graphical glitches. Maybe if Nintendo used something a little more beefier they wouldn't have to worry as much?
On microsoft we struggled for a long time on the original xbox, it's nowhere near perfect even now, but still many games that are playable. We struggle even now with 360 emulation, with a good chunch of the library having some issues, even switch emulation is in a beeter state than 360 emulation. While there are some xbox one emulators they can maybe emulate a few games. In my experience Microsoft is the hardest to get emulation working for. As for Sony, psp, ps2 and ps1 emulation is near perfect and we struggle somewhat on ps3 emulation, but the majority of the library is in a playable state. Ps4 is unknown to me as I haven't looked into it but iirc it's got more games that can't run than those that can even boot. Ps5 they have a handful if that of games that can boot. Funnily enough despite Sony sueing Bleem repeatly until they went bankrupt, they now host many of the files needed for emulation directly on their websites. Which I think is healthy. Current and even last gen consoles for both of them are not really in mainstream emulation territory, with consoles 2 generations being in a state where its at least worthwhile emulating. And for anything 3 generations or more old it's in a really good state. But these are so old the companies wouldn't make any money from these consoles anyways, piracy or legal obtain roms, they aren't losing a single dime. Nintendo emulation is near perfect on almost every console they have released, and switch emulation is at least on par with ps3 emulation. And in a few cases the emulation runs better than official hardware. They need to take a page from Sony and Microsofts books, but balancing keeping their hardware easy to develop games for, but too beefy to be emulated this gen is gonna be hard
I emulate and buy games. Heck, two times I bought a game that I had for free already For me, it honestly just boils down to like, two things 1. How many body parts would I have to sell, in order to play the game and system legally (or, in normal speak, how much do the games and/or system cost)? 2. How many games would I want to play on the system (I don't want to buy a whole new system, just to play like. Two games) Also, this only applies to older consoles/systems. I'd rather run emulation on my 2DS, instead of my Switch Lite. Since the Switch is still, kinda new Anyways...Examples 1. While I do own a 2DS, DS games are expensive (When I was buying a copy of Persona 5 Tactica, because it was on sale at a local game store. I saw a copy of Spirit Tracks... selling for $99.99CAD) So I much rather emulate DS games 2. I like the Wii, I grew up with it. There are only 10 Wii games, that I know for sure I'd want to play I cannot justify buying a Wii, for only 10 games
I own a Nintendo Switch, a Wii U, 3 3DSs and 2 DSs. I can emulate all those consoles on my PC, and if I wanted to buy games legitimately I'd have to spend hundreds of pounds. If Nintendo made these games readily available I would buy a physical copy.
I feel happy knowing that Nintendo Emulators made by fans are here to stay! I’ve always enjoying playing GameCube and Wii Games on Dolphin, especially Cel Damage, messing around with Citra, and Project 64. I was quite terrified to hear that Yuzu and Citra stopped development due to having the same creator. I’m still happy to know that a Citra successor/fork has already been created, and that you are making things clear! Thank you for doing so! I do however think that Switch emulation can wait a bit in my opinion. ❤
Sounds good if you don't have friends. Nothing beats a few controllers hooked up to a tv playing Mario Kart or WWF No Mercy with each other while eating pretzels so your controllers don't get dirty and washing it down with a nice cold refreshing orange soda like Faygo or Fanta. 😊
There are reports that the DMCA takedown towards SUYU was made up by a troll. If this is the case, then hopefully the project will be able to recover from this attack.
hopefully the Yuzu forks survive. i personally love what the sudachi devs done so far. i've been emulating since i was 2001, at the time PSone emulation with connectix VGS was crazy. hope this don't stop emulation as a whole
What I wish Nintendo (or really any big game company) would accept is that piracy is mostly an issue of quality/supply rather than an issue of stealing or copyright. People generally don't pirate because they hate paying for things, they pirate because the game or console isn't being sold anymore and secondhand copies are stupidly expensive or hard to acquire, or because the original hardware is outdated and inconvenient to plug into modern TVs, or to get more options for controllers, resolution, etc like you mentioned in this video, or to play fan content like mods that can't be installed on the actual hardware. If Nintendo sold ROMs of the games they don't otherwise sell anymore for a reasonable price, with an official emulator but also enabled you to use the ROMs in other emulators if you wanted (kind of like the Sega Genesis collection on Steam), I'm willing to bet piracy of those games would go down like 90% or more. If they just keep bashing their head at the wall trying to shut down emulators and ROM sites people will only get more determined and vindictive and piracy will only grow.
Okay what about all of the new DMCA's coming from Nintendo. It's not over and this all started when Apple said they were going to allow emulation on their devices.
I love your videos, thank you for continuing the channel even when times are busy. I will be very happy if we ever hear from your wife and get more art, but I'm continuing to find your videos (very) enjoyable and informative!
Emulation is legal ! Decrypting security encryption with Sig. Patches is not . Since all switch emulators to date require them, their is no legal way to use them . Idky Citra was taken down since it didn't use them and it wasn't in active development, but it was done by the team that made Yuzu, who opted to settle and apologize for TotK debacle that got them targeted in the 1st place .
Not gonna lie, I like the way the video ended and made me think about one thing I like about people: that people are ultimately the ones in power that can decide what should be legal, and there's always going to be even a small minority that will disagree with certain laws. Makes it seem possible for anyone to find a place in this world, and some part in me can feel happy about that.
I'm done with Nintendo. Their constant litigation tactics are a strangle hold on the industry and the Switch and Zelda are the only examples of new ideas the company has had in over a decade.
@@PlatinumAltaria There are some retro consoles on the market but they aren't that popular. For the most part you need a pc to emulate but pc gaming is very niche. When I play emulated games riding the trains in japan it almost makes me feel guilty because no one else does it. (and also paranoid because people here snitch on you all the time)
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Emulation is a hydra, the more you cut off the more grows back.
One of these days every video game will be gone and emulated games can save their history. Hopefully greedy Game Companies can't take that away forever.
Are you also trying to save TypeWriters, VCRs, old car models, what are you doing to save near-extinct animals oh but you only care about video-games going away forever.*
@@TiVo2Go...yes? There are dedicated communities for litearlly all the things you listed. Vintage cars and VHS have huge communities.
@@BHFFSbro was onto NOTHING
@@TiVo2Go People cannot do everything at once, that is why we split and share topics to preserve.
@@TiVo2Go What the hell are you even trying to argue? 😂There are people who preserve those things you mentioned.
The moral of the story: ideas are bulletproof…or rather, lawsuit resistant…
To be honest Emulation can preserve some games that are forgotten had a limited print run like Gotcha Force being the example of being popular in emulation and got a reprint in the 2010s (unfortunately only in Japan)
I agree, sadly one day all games will be gone in a blink of an eye.
Those who asked what's Gotcha Force, it's a GameCube exclusive made by Capcom
Without emulation; there'd be no way to play the Bandai WonderSwan-only Digimon games that tie the stories of Adventure 02 and Tamers together, as those games never got ported/released to any other system, and otherwise are stuck bit-rotting away on the WonderSwan that was a Japan-only device.
Not just the emulators but also the fan games as well, Whenever Nintendo takes down any of them, it proceeds to stay on the internet forever.
What I don't like about the Nintendo negativity hate situation is when people blame Nintendo as a whole, They drag in the developers and the employees considering the fact they have absolutely nothing to do with the DMCA legal team that makes those decisions.
@M64bros when are you going to upload a video of how the Pokemon franchise could be redeemed
I agree. While Nintendo may have the right to do what they do, as they own the IP, they are basically fighting a futile battle, as people who have already downloaded a fan game that the Mario company gets taken down can re-upload it on torrent sites.
@@jeremyriley1238 Exactly!
Honestly I think the much bigger concern is that companies have been able to successfully redefine what it means to purchase software.
All you can 'purchase' now is a revokable license.
for now, but with how Sony is handling things, I think they may be ripe for a lawsuit challenging that. And I don't mean individual. I mean Class action.
Most of these companies would die off if they couldn't resell the same game to people multiple times with slight graphical changes. Gotta delete those old versions!
That sounds only slightly better than an NFT, which is a license to a link.
@@VideoGameStarChannelSupreme Amiibos and Skylanders are better than nfts. Lego dimensions toys too sice even if the tags break, you still have lego.
With all the talk of emulation in recent news, it makes me wish I had a PC that could safely run it: all I have right now is a MacBook Air laptop
I definitely recommend checking out OpenEmu! It’s a multi-system emulator built for MacOS that’s super intuitive and user-friendly. I’m sure modern macs have no problem running things up to the PS3, but even my old iMac from 2012 can comfortably play a lot of systems
Would you like a slice of Pi? It's Raspberry. Got it at Microcenter (no idea they had a bakery).
Also at that point emulate on your phone and call it a day.
Just order an Anbernic retro handheld. They have models for like $70.
Imagine a games company that, any time one of their games reached XYZ years old, just gave out ROMs of said games for people to use.
So, id with Doom and the like?
The SEGA classic collection on Steam is literally a bunch of ROMs that you can take out and play in any emulator if you don't like the default one.
@@kildaverwhere is doom free?? Where?
@@kildaver Has Id kept this up since?
@@PlatinumAltariaAnd howsabout Sega's other titles?
Emulation isn't one it's many
If you kill one, 2 show up
You will have to kill open source as a concept, good luck doing that
Killing open source would most likely require doing same to many People.
The cost of ending Open Source is likely Human Lives.
Like a hydra head
Its the hydra effect in action.
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everything cames from Open-Souce code
is closed-souce - when is profitable for them to turn it into a proplem
Sony: think using open-souce browser was a good idea
like if they can see the code they can see if their a backdoor
IOS or andoird they will never end emulators because is funny to void the proplems than dealing with them
True especially if the emulator it's open source.
I like you more anyways and it’s nice to see variety in the channel whether you take turns or it’s just you from now on we support!
This comment may not be about emulation, but I absolutely adore Ship of Harkinian
If you don't know what that is, it's a fanmade PC/Mac/Linux/Steam Deck/Wii U/Switch port of ZeldaRET's reverse-engineered OoT source code
There's also a fanmade Android port in active development
Emulation is unambiguously legal, and Nintendo wants to rewrite laws so that they can stop you from exercising your legal right to play that way.
Emulation isn't just for playing games. It also exists for many other things that are in no way game related. It's a very broad term.
@@kayonesoftYou can emulate a calculator, correct?
Much like Disney with copyright laws, amirite?
Anyone else feel like the legal system should bar companies of a certain size from influencing laws or even taking part of protection intended for David, not Goliath?
I mean, after some point Mario, Pikachu and Mickey become public property due to how popular these characters are, even if in law it says they belong to their respective owners.
It's like, encourage profiting off your work, but not abusing IPs because they're big and easy cash cows recognized by everyone on the planet.
I will continue to regurgitate this saying: pirates and by proxy emulation are like a hydra, Nintendo’s super pointless crusade can cut off heads but the greater beast will respawn two more
Living in the netherlands, we have concrete law that you may copy copyrighted works for personal use, and piracy only occurs when you distribute.
I personally don't understand why most companies they behave badly to the country in every way the can.
For not giving acsees to old game that not longer available to buy for them up to close ROM sites pirate games website,
Close online tournament on covit.
And nitendo it's not the only company that does stuff like that most companies are guilty with that in one way or they other.
Hold on! The Suyu emulator was taken down by a Troll! Who faked being nintendo!
Supposedly*
Id be very interested in a video based on the interesting world where for example in 2080, The earliest NES games become public domain
and that is why lawyers make laws as obnoxious and _ loopholy_ as possible. If you don't understand, you cannot disagree (or agree)
(and yes language of speech: lawmakers make laws. But lawyers are the ones who actually write them)
The moral of the story: your allowed to break laws that are dumb sums up the whole video
Yep, but don't get the person in trouble, put the generic "I am not encouraging breaking the law" disclaimer in there xD
Imagine if after X years of not selling a game at all a company couldn't legally claim it anymore. Imagine Nintendo started losing rights to games they refused to make available.
Thxs for reading the comments, keeping doing the good work and am I learning so much
Do people usually search for (Company) Rom or (Company) Emulator? Usually it's (System) Rom and (System) Emulator
Screw nintendo and any company who follows that path.
Suyu isn't dead, they have moved to a sel-hosted git to avoid the takedowns and are still working on the project, as they have said on their Discord
Its been back up apparently
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For far too many games, the only way of playing them today, is via emulation. The 3ds and Wii U are officially dead.
You can only purchase these games via hard copies from second hand sources, or find a way to download them. In both cases, Nintendo makes 0 moneys. Hell they even shut off their own eshops. All of that content they put so much time into making can’t make them money in any way, so emulating is the only way to play these games
Thanks for the vid
That's good btw. They are clearly still homing in on Yuzu and direct Yuzu derivatives and don't attack contemporary emulators(some of which are paid btw. Which is legal, but supposedly "it is risky now" for some reason, according to some people) or older retro-emulation. In essence, they now showed us that they prefer to strike at air rather than actually fighting emulation. Most likely for weird priorities in the office than anything else, but a W for us is still a W for us. People should use this clearance as a sign to stop cr*pping their pants that they are going to be shot in the butt for contributing to Dolphin or Cemu.
2:23 Otherwise known as the only way to get semi-legal emulation running, so it basically is about the emulation still. Tbh, it kinda sucks that Yuzu gave you directions on how to get the keys dumped, because not doing that would have not painted a target on their forehead, but this is really a problem of the law being really wishy-washy. Documenting and even including all the common keys, including internal debug keys needed for some developer game builds, from the DSi and Wii are evidently entirely fine because those sites and emulators are still kicking, but using keys that you are expected to get from buying an actual console is somehow a major issue, even tho nonsense like that just incentivises the user to actually circumvent the protection like the decrypted 3DS games Citra wants by default.
3:01 Honestly, there should have been a quote from that one PCSX2 emulator dev saying "We won't support Magicgate, shut up!" as a joke.
3:36 Idk, I have seen quite a few emulators have the same stance I have seen from Yuzu. If you openly pirate, then they don't want to talk to you about it, but general trouble shooting surrounding roms is infact provided, because that is literally how you use the emulator to begin with. If they deleted everything to do with a rom(wait, at least one of these actually did and it was a sh*tshow. Was it the Ryujinx forums? I don't remember), then there would be no error reports anymore. Of course, idk what the Yuzu discord looked like, I only visited some other Yuzu-related sites.
6:24
Dumping PS2 Bios to get game to boot: Entirely fine.
Dumping keys to get game to boot: *Initiating destructor sequence*
6:55 Funfact, they don't and they won't. If nothing else, even emulation being specifically outlawed would not stop piracy because...what are you going to do against them? Double-punish them? Authorities barely ever persue downloaders to begin with because they have more legit concerns. This situration only made it harder for non-pirate users who just wanted to play in a better resolution.
8:09 I would be surprised if some weren't, but there are enough epic stories about how people straight up don't know if it is legal or not. Infact, I heard several reports that the public did not even realize any change was made in the story at 8:14, they just carried on doing what they always did regardless of what the law stated. In the realm of videogames, there is also the very ironic thing where some people who play on emulator are for some reason more willing to buy a game multiple times...or at least I got the NSO expansion pack despite being on a 0-care relationship with big N wanting us to follow the rules. Maybe it is a convinience thing or a kind of internal Karma system saying we balance our usage somehow, or maybe both.
7:35 alright buddy, but just this once you better start practicing
Start megadosing on spice and crunching mentat numbers
If I want to download a Nintendo Gameboy game rom that's like 30 years old Nintendo can't stop me because they aren't making money off of it anymore so there for it's legal to download old Nintendo ROMs from the Internet.
It’s not legal to do that. They still own the copyright for that. Whether it’s _moral_ is another question (one that I’m not willing to answer), but it is most definitely not legal.
There's actually no legal precedent saying you can or can't share ROM files online, but you can absolutely dump your ROMs legally.
@@PlatinumAltaria that's where the gray area comes in with this law.
@@jodyjohnson265
"There's actually no legal precedent saying you can or can't share ROM files online, but you can absolutely dump your ROMs legally."
There is no legal precedent for sharing roms online because its illegal to do so.
Nintendo don't care about ppl downloading the stuff. These don't go after end consumer's anymore. They want the ppl who share it and leak it.
If Emulation is Now Legal,this would Eventually kill Nintendo to a Rump Company.
I hope someone does a suyu but with 3DS emulation.
People have this really silly concept that Nintendo hates emulation, that is not true, they love emulation, especially one that they made so they can charge us a subscription fee LOL. They only hate emulators that they themselves did not make
Yuzu were gigantic idiots about the whole thing. 🤷
As long as we get face reveal someday for you all
Emulation is here to stay for gaming preservation that many years later, a material might be forgotten.
And Copyright is a big issue for an author's consent, especially very few companies like Nintendo which regards for their quality control, not the fans nor preservation. That’s why I started disliking conservative-companies like it.
Nintendo has been this horrible for 40 years
Emulators themselves are legal, it's the ROMs that violate copyright.
Shhh... don't give them idea
Dumping your own ROMs must logically be legal because otherwise an emulator cannot function, so that's protected to. Whether sharing the ROMs online is ok or not is a grey area, but if video game publishers had their way you wouldn't be able to lend a physical game disk to a friend. I say steal everything that's not nailed down.
@user-in8qh3zf9d God I hope not.
ROMs don't violate that copyright.
@user-in8qh3zf9d You can dump digital games too.
Curious, when dumping an old CD of mine to my iTunes library, the iTunes app immediately prompted me asking if I wished to add the CD to my iTunes library.
For everyone in the states, do you get this option from the iTunes app?
I'm still using yuzu 🙂
For the next switch emu, please, call it yuwu. 😏
Well maybe if you made a powerful console. Ur games wouldn't look like trash. That s why we rather play it on pc
new news, nintendo cant killed pokemon fan games
in fact there is a part of the people who are governed by the laws, these are those who spend their time sucking Nintendo while the latter offers them the shittiest console of the moment and games with N64 graphics.
this is expacly when the compnoy that own thrid patry ips that are have full creatvie fn punlcing control rights chose to just themselfs to bacly have ported ther gams e form nendio conusles hardware to emlators have decide that they won't let niendto tell them thid party ip holders what there ip on emlation platrom progames can and can not be. like serosly ther alot thrid party ip cied ogame licance holders have been porting bacly on the older nes and other thrid party games on netndo consules have been being ported by thsoe same third party to bacly steam and other offcal websites mad wit hther own homebrew emlator bescu they want to sell ther old ip titels but they have gootend sick and tried of neitndo bacly C***blocking them so the third party ip holder do the emealton proting themselfs and bacly give nendio the middle finger. i have seen alot of thrid party ip vied ogame licanse hodlers bacly been baypsing nitndo on ther own emeation rules themselfs.
You started this war, Nintendo. And your consumers will be the ones to finish it.
because we started them in the first place
The Owner will aways start it before is become good because if they made the game for us to buy
No review or plays
because I think how did nintedo becomes famous in the first place
By ads - not just their games
i use games as a menu full of games ( Or an Legal Stock market )
( More famous the game becomes = Profits goes up
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emulators shows why games died in the first place
-- Lack of support on other systems
-- No 4K for high-end gamers for locked game
-- Too many Owners to profits even higher
-- They still outdated in 2024
-- Nintendo still uses SD CARD for games
-- Nintendo games - Cost my sister for pokemon game all her game was £4.99-£8.99 each
now because i sell it for £35 or £55 EACH
( Got a xbox series X for £89 ) = for 825GB
( 4 games = £55)
( 4 games for ( 35 )
@@avadoksorem2854 Says the same consumers that support groomers in The Smash Community, wanting Shigeru Miyamoto gone or dead because of story changes, Weegeepie and a whole lot more.
I think there's a reason why Nintendo has trust issues with its fans, It could be our faults and it shows
@@M64bros consumers supporting groomers is not unique to the Smash community. They’re everywhere.
@@avadoksorem2854 The Smash Community isn't the only one I've mentioned, remember the Yuzu monetize their emulator and you're not allowed to do that while the switch is still being sold, wanting to gun down anyone that works for Nintendo during the Gmod situation?
There's more going on behind the scenes than I'm sure any other UA-camr didn't even bother looking up more accurately, Especially the Joy-con Boyz Charity scam, More behind the scenes, drama, the Smash Community and a whole lot more!
UA-camrs should do more accurate research
@@avadoksorem2854 No wonder Nintendo has trust issues with its fanbase, It's filled with terrible people, Weegeepie, Death threats, tons of misinformation and many more and they know it!
They're just too pissy to admit it
It's not a question of "killing emulation", but "stopping the creation of counterfeit digital copies of their intellectual property (the actual activity that is often referred to as software/internet piracy), which they spent a lot of money to make originally, and currently retain property ownership rights over". That's why it is called a *COPY* right. The basic law of property is that you're the sole determiner of whether someone else can duplicate it since you already did the initial hard work of making it.
I've noticed some people being dumb and saying "one day, every video game will be gone". This is simply incorrect, given Nintendo has long maintained a museum containing working examples of their products. Whether or not they mass-produce and sell large quantities of physical copies of those games again is ultimately and ironically a question of whether people turn en mass against digital distribution of software (which is very unlikely, but entirely the end consumer's fault).
8th
So you are saying the typical person would steal the breath from underneath my nose if they felt like they could get away with it. Check! 👍
What dose this even mean?
Emulation = stealing, and corporate entities and individuals have every right to control THEIR creations, IPs, and original works. Cope harder
I really hope you're getting paid for your white knighting services.
According to US law emulation is completely, 100% legal and protected. Nintendo does not write the rules, no matter how much they want to.
@pikaboom6539 I found Harman Smith
Emulation is not piracy or theft. Please stop being a Nintendo shill.
You are incorrect
Big companies seem to forget that in this day and age once something is on the internet, *it will always be on the internet*
Sadly no. I can barely find some PS1 games with pirated translation, because nobody reuploaded them for decades, and old forum gone long ago. Or fan dub of some anime I worked on. It was disappeared within site and torrent nobody seeded. I like Tera Online, but this MMO dead forever...
@@x149te There may be some extreme outliers, but if you loved PS1 games you must be between 30~45 years old already, some PS1 games lovers of that era are already dead.
Tera you might still find some private servers.
@@MangaGamified I also wanted to play Non-f2p version of Perfect World, but nobody would able or interested in buying it.
I wonder how many indie games disappeared without good sells. How many flash games are saved? Who remember Microsoft Silverlight games (3D browser games)? I can't find one PC game I'm searching over 10 years. Educational game for kids how to use PC (keyboard controls, mouse controls) in atmosphere of spaceship.
@@MangaGamifiedAm 25, still playing PS1 titles.
@@youtubeuniversity3638 If u did not buy it, you must be the last generation to inherit physical copies, even my youngest cousins who I played with are older than you.
You can't kill emulation if you keep charging 60$ plus for a 20$ game
You can't kill emulation
They are not emulating the game they are normally just reverse engineering the system. Some can use a bios that an owner can removed from their owned system to improve compatibility with purchased games.
@jonwwillis that's what emulation is...
Nintendo is getting to big for their britches. Emulation isn't illegal. As long as the devs are not encouraging piracy or charging money, there is legitimately nothing they can do legally for the rest of the emulators.
It’s not about the money
When you emulate while poor you HAVE to pirate thats the only way to get the game and still be able to afford food you need buy food
Remember when some companies said that "$70 for a game is too cheap, we'd like $100"? I think it was either EA, Blizzard or Ubisoft, but I don't remember.
@@VideoGameStarChannelSupreme if 100$ got me a game that is actually worth 100$ and i can play it till the day i die i wouldent mind paying 100$ for a game
@@LeeroyGoldmane I honestly agree that most games have trouble being worth the full $70 sticker.
Was a bit surprised when I saw Nintendo's Princess Peach Showtime (physical) game costing $55 in the US. That's a miracle.
But, ultimately that's subjective. SSX for me is only a level creator/editor away from being worth $70, but I'm very sure some people would disagree.
Emulators also have too many useful controls given to the user, that enhances the game experience. Pokemon with 10x speed is a lot more fun for battles.
"Why Nintendo Can't Kill Emulation" Im more surprised that their are people who are dumb enough to think that Nintendo can kill emulation lol.
It's less being dumb more being soulcrushed.
There's folks who think Nintendo is three unfavorable lawsuits away from turning to death squads.
Can't have emulation if there's nobody left to perform it...
@@youtubeuniversity3638 Lets hope Nintendo don`t do any emulator themself
Let hope emulators are runned by their own team
-- Only people who would know the code themself
(Nintendo staff can be made mad because they can`t even do it )
backwards compatibility - need a emulator to even run them
Nintendo needs to focus the money on gaming not world domination
That's why Nintendo has been the heel of gaming since the gamecube. Nintendo is a joke and thier games are mediocre clip art.
@@M-W-A-V I really like Nintendo from NES/Famicon to Wii U. They used to be a good deal gaming console for consumers back in the day. Now they just became anti consumers more than Sony and Xbox as well as Meta Quest combined.
Worse paid online service that have worse connection that even a free online service did far better, 1st party games that cost $60 forever that never get a low price drop no matter how old or how bad quality it has, overpriced hardwares, a hybrid gimmick like handheld to docked already have been done in Gameboy so that's not even something new by Nintendo, they acted like they rule the world by getting putting people to jail.
@@toututu2993 well said
Suyu just came back online today! At the moment we are good
I don't care about Suyu. I still have Yuzu working just fine and Ryujinx has much better talent and developers than a bunch of raging 14 year kids can do.
@@Cyko.. is there a working site or torrent site for Yuzu? the bookmark/site I saved doesn't load
@@Cyko..if you didn't care, why are you here? Announcing how much you don't care?
@@M-W-A-V If you didn't care about my comment then why respond? Are you hurt? Tell me where it hurt you the most. Did it get to your no no place?
@@Cyko.. if I didn't care about you announcing your opinion I wouldn't have announced mine champ
Sony and Microsoft don't have this issue because their current games are difficult to run even on top of the line equipment, unless you like lower FPS and graphical glitches. Maybe if Nintendo used something a little more beefier they wouldn't have to worry as much?
U can buy a used console put a mod chip in and use copied discs
@@leonidasvonsparta Sounds like a great idea! Right now I just block Sony's servers.
On microsoft we struggled for a long time on the original xbox, it's nowhere near perfect even now, but still many games that are playable. We struggle even now with 360 emulation, with a good chunch of the library having some issues, even switch emulation is in a beeter state than 360 emulation. While there are some xbox one emulators they can maybe emulate a few games. In my experience Microsoft is the hardest to get emulation working for.
As for Sony, psp, ps2 and ps1 emulation is near perfect and we struggle somewhat on ps3 emulation, but the majority of the library is in a playable state. Ps4 is unknown to me as I haven't looked into it but iirc it's got more games that can't run than those that can even boot. Ps5 they have a handful if that of games that can boot. Funnily enough despite Sony sueing Bleem repeatly until they went bankrupt, they now host many of the files needed for emulation directly on their websites.
Which I think is healthy. Current and even last gen consoles for both of them are not really in mainstream emulation territory, with consoles 2 generations being in a state where its at least worthwhile emulating. And for anything 3 generations or more old it's in a really good state. But these are so old the companies wouldn't make any money from these consoles anyways, piracy or legal obtain roms, they aren't losing a single dime.
Nintendo emulation is near perfect on almost every console they have released, and switch emulation is at least on par with ps3 emulation. And in a few cases the emulation runs better than official hardware. They need to take a page from Sony and Microsofts books, but balancing keeping their hardware easy to develop games for, but too beefy to be emulated this gen is gonna be hard
I emulate and buy games. Heck, two times I bought a game that I had for free already
For me, it honestly just boils down to like, two things
1. How many body parts would I have to sell, in order to play the game and system legally (or, in normal speak, how much do the games and/or system cost)?
2. How many games would I want to play on the system (I don't want to buy a whole new system, just to play like. Two games)
Also, this only applies to older consoles/systems. I'd rather run emulation on my 2DS, instead of my Switch Lite. Since the Switch is still, kinda new
Anyways...Examples
1. While I do own a 2DS, DS games are expensive (When I was buying a copy of Persona 5 Tactica, because it was on sale at a local game store. I saw a copy of Spirit Tracks... selling for $99.99CAD)
So I much rather emulate DS games
2. I like the Wii, I grew up with it. There are only 10 Wii games, that I know for sure I'd want to play
I cannot justify buying a Wii, for only 10 games
I own a Nintendo Switch, a Wii U, 3 3DSs and 2 DSs. I can emulate all those consoles on my PC, and if I wanted to buy games legitimately I'd have to spend hundreds of pounds. If Nintendo made these games readily available I would buy a physical copy.
I feel happy knowing that Nintendo Emulators made by fans are here to stay! I’ve always enjoying playing GameCube and Wii Games on Dolphin, especially Cel Damage, messing around with Citra, and Project 64. I was quite terrified to hear that Yuzu and Citra stopped development due to having the same creator. I’m still happy to know that a Citra successor/fork has already been created, and that you are making things clear!
Thank you for doing so!
I do however think that Switch emulation can wait a bit in my opinion. ❤
Sounds good if you don't have friends. Nothing beats a few controllers hooked up to a tv playing Mario Kart or WWF No Mercy with each other while eating pretzels so your controllers don't get dirty and washing it down with a nice cold refreshing orange soda like Faygo or Fanta. 😊
You know what the difference between now and then is? One seat in the Supreme Court.
There are reports that the DMCA takedown towards SUYU was made up by a troll. If this is the case, then hopefully the project will be able to recover from this attack.
Video game theory
hopefully the Yuzu forks survive. i personally love what the sudachi devs done so far. i've been emulating since i was 2001, at the time PSone emulation with connectix VGS was crazy. hope this don't stop emulation as a whole
Hah! Screw you nintendo!!
What I wish Nintendo (or really any big game company) would accept is that piracy is mostly an issue of quality/supply rather than an issue of stealing or copyright.
People generally don't pirate because they hate paying for things, they pirate because the game or console isn't being sold anymore and secondhand copies are stupidly expensive or hard to acquire, or because the original hardware is outdated and inconvenient to plug into modern TVs, or to get more options for controllers, resolution, etc like you mentioned in this video, or to play fan content like mods that can't be installed on the actual hardware.
If Nintendo sold ROMs of the games they don't otherwise sell anymore for a reasonable price, with an official emulator but also enabled you to use the ROMs in other emulators if you wanted (kind of like the Sega Genesis collection on Steam), I'm willing to bet piracy of those games would go down like 90% or more.
If they just keep bashing their head at the wall trying to shut down emulators and ROM sites people will only get more determined and vindictive and piracy will only grow.
Okay what about all of the new DMCA's coming from Nintendo. It's not over and this all started when Apple said they were going to allow emulation on their devices.
And they said that the titanic itanic was unsinkable
It's hilarious when people think they can stop piracy. It will never stop while we have this type of economy.
A little bit TOO (inconveinient)
Seeing as Already got 1 *Nintendo console*
since early 90s.
I love your videos, thank you for continuing the channel even when times are busy. I will be very happy if we ever hear from your wife and get more art, but I'm continuing to find your videos (very) enjoyable and informative!
Emulation is legal ! Decrypting security encryption with Sig. Patches is not . Since all switch emulators to date require them, their is no legal way to use them . Idky Citra was taken down since it didn't use them and it wasn't in active development, but it was done by the team that made Yuzu, who opted to settle and apologize for TotK debacle that got them targeted in the 1st place .
Not gonna lie, I like the way the video ended and made me think about one thing I like about people: that people are ultimately the ones in power that can decide what should be legal, and there's always going to be even a small minority that will disagree with certain laws. Makes it seem possible for anyone to find a place in this world, and some part in me can feel happy about that.
I'm done with Nintendo. Their constant litigation tactics are a strangle hold on the industry and the Switch and Zelda are the only examples of new ideas the company has had in over a decade.
i know they cant but i really want them to pro emulation people online are insufferable
It's not "Nintendo vs emulation".
It's "japanese mindset vs western mindset".
It's "tradition vs logic".
This will never end.
It's really not though, since plenty of Japanese players also emulate. It's actually "corporation vs. consumer".
@@PlatinumAltaria
There are some retro consoles on the market but they aren't that popular. For the most part you need a pc to emulate but pc gaming is very niche. When I play emulated games riding the trains in japan it almost makes me feel guilty because no one else does it. (and also paranoid because people here snitch on you all the time)
@@HaohmaruHL You should not feel concerned about emulating as long as you are emulating games you dumped and own.
dumping the prodkeys isnt the issue, the dumping and (in this case) automatic generation of them for titles that are missing the dumped key is.