Some early thoughts before I do a second watch on certain scenes and my comments on them.... I responded to a specific comment with this, but I feel some may want to read it too... God discriminates with His love. While He loves all, he will damn people for their sins. You can be the most helpful, charitable, selfless person in the world, but if you worship any other deity, refuse that your sins put Christ on the cross, or that Jesus is the son of God who was sacrificed and resurrected in the flesh, then He will not let you into Heaven. You will be damned and He will basically say that He never knew you. He laid out laws governing food, reproduction, marriage, and pretty much every facet of human life, and if we don't follow those, He will punish us... If you don't turn away from and repent for your sins while accepting Christ as your savior. God declares himself to be a JEALOUS and VENGEFUL God, but a JUST God. People love to bring up Jesus and God's flowery words about love and peace, how Christ dined with and washed the feet of sinners, but immediately ignore the call to REPENT and TURN AWAY from their sins. Pursuing an ideal with full knowledge that you will have to be flexible and not violate other's free will (free will being handed to us by God himself and being a HUGE part of having faith, choosing God over sin, and getting to heaven) is fine... But humans are not good at that. We get very focused, very easily. Blinded by it. I think a lot of people forget the brimstone and hellfire from God, and those that don't, think humans can deal the same in a just way.... On a very small scale, we can. We can justly look at evidence and decide a person is guilty or innocent of a crime. We can also, generally these day not so much in the past, dole out an appropriate punishment. But as soon as you add more people to the victim list, or the crime is heinous enough, we lose the ability to easily separate emotions. I still think I am gonna have issues with Canute and how some are taking the priest's words, combined with their thoughts on God, but I will rewatch these scenes and my original comments and offer some more thoughts.
You thought about that while reacting? Plain face in video and then this? Say that on video not con comment, you can’t, you upload a “reaction” and stay still just to comment more on a message on your own video than you did on your own uploaded video, these are straight serial murderers
Can you be jealous and just? Can you be vengeful and holy? Isn't God meant to be the ultimate role model? He set the rules. He is the divine. Why are we punished for being jealous and vengeful yet he's allowed to?
I know that hearing these things as a Christian must be annoying but they are problematic things. Like, I get that as a Christian you're just meant to accept that that's God's way and to not question it, but if you're not a Christian but you're interested, how do you possibly explain that?
@@blissx7556 it’s not, not that hard, our rock bottom is different for all of us, this dude is just lost, and he’ll regret at some point, time is cruel, the problem is our actions affect our loved ones and this person doesn’t care about them, sad but life is fair to my view, karma they call it, it’s just logic, if you are good those around you will make sure they help you in any way, if you are not, those same people will not waste the opportunity, having contacts has always been important, but it’s talk that can get you contacts or enemies, imagine me saying all of that on a video hahahaah never, and please let me know your thoughts I’m just a 25 year old I appreciate comments and I will listen
At this point the bible was still in latin to be fair, not the same bible we have today. In latin and old greek there were many words for love (9 different variations of 'love' in greek iirc), instead of just the one it translates to in modern language. They are talking about the purest form of unbiased love, which only god is capable of according to that same bible. Canute is also talking in ways that conflate his concept of 'the father', applied not just to 'god' but also his actual father. Its pretty common for people (on first reaction) to misinterpret or not really 'get' some of this conversation with Willibald and Canute on first impression. The translations are a bit rough and hard to have one to one and the author tends to use concepts as they were used in that time, not ours. Before writing this he studied most the fiction and nonfiction from this time period and uses many aspects of actual stories (some myth some historic) from irl and aspects of certain characters (such as Canut Thorkell Leif ect) are inspired by the historical accounts of those characters, yet merged with his fictional account. The show isnt telling us we should agree with what the priest or canute think either... its a fictional account of what these characters 1000 years ago were going through and how they could interpret things within the limits of their time, which will also change over time obviously, Canute is still a teenager here and under immense pressure. It makes sense for his ideals to shift when change is forced on him so abruptly and traumatically. Even today most people go through big changes at some point in life, more frequently when coming of age, having to face their youthful ideals/principles and overturn some of them, and yes ideally one will continue to update their ideals over time with maturity and experience. Makes more sense on rewatch, let it cook :)
I have to agree, this series doesn't tell the viewers to agree with the drunk priest's perspective or Canute's, but it makes you think and question your own ideals and beliefs. Just because you don't understand their sentiment (especially during their time in the middle ages), you don't have to flat out reject or disregard it, we have to be welcoming for others' perspectives and acknowledge it
14:55 The point the priest is making is that the love you have for the other people within your own circle is precisely what can make you lose sight of what is truly good and just in the grand scheme of things. If Ragnar loves and cares about Canute and the villagers love and care about each other, then everything will be right in the world IF AND ONLY IF their interests don't collide. But when it came time to choose between Canute and the lives of 62 innocent villagers, Ragnar chose Canute and allowed those villagers to be slaughtered because of what was supposed be the answer to all the world's evils. The priest is calling that idea into question. There's a reason this definition of love is a central theme of basically every major religion/philosophy/legal system/political ideology in the world. It's the single biggest moral dilemma we face as human beings. If this isn't deep, I don't know what is.
Humans are not capable of the kind of love God is. Humans cannot think on a large enough scale, without emotion, to justly decide when to wipe out entire civilizations, or to demand adherence and loyalty to one supreme person/being. I'm gonna do a video reanalyzing this because I do think I'm getting hung up on Canute possibly rationalizing murder and mayhem as love if the results are "peace" which is NOT the kind of love humans can justly have. Thanks for your thoughts and for watching.
@@TheGenreVerse I totally get what you’re saying but I think two distinctions are in order. First, the fact that you will inevitably fall short of an ideal does not automatically make that an ideal not worth pursuing. There are a good number of people who genuinely believe that protecting only those near and dear to you is the ultimate good and that having love and compassion for your enemies is actually a bad thing. The priest’s idea of love challenges that idea. Second, you have to distinguish between what the ideal is and what people do in the name of that ideal. It in no way follows from the idea that indiscriminate love is the ultimate ideal, that those who don’t believe in that ideal deserve to be slaughtered. That's just Canute’s particular (mis)interpretation of what the priest was talking about. Hopefully this helps inform your reanalysis of this episode. I’ll be looking forward to it.
Don't forget though... God discriminates with His love. While He loves all, he will damn people for their sins. You can be the most helpful, charitable, selfless person in the world, but if you worship any other deity, refuse that your sins put Christ on the cross, or that Jesus is the son of God who was sacrificed and resurrected in the flesh, then He will not let you into Heaven. You will be damned and He will basically say that He never knew you. He laid out laws governing food, reproduction, marriage, and pretty much every facet of human life, and if we don't follow those, He will punish us... If you don't turn away from and repent for your sins while accepting Christ as your savior. God declares himself to be a JEALOUS and VENGEFUL God, but a JUST God. People love to bring up Jesus and God's flowery words about love and peace, how Christ dined with and washed the feet of sinners, but immediately ignore the call to REPENT and TURN AWAY from their sins. Pursuing an ideal with full knowledge that you will have to be flexible and not violate other's free will (free will being handed to us by God himself and being a HUGE part of having faith, choosing God over sin, and getting to heaven) is fine... But humans are not good at that. We get very focused, very easily. Blinded by it. I think a lot of people forget the brimstone and hellfire from God, and those that don't, think humans can deal the same in a just way.... On a very small scale, we can. We can justly look at evidence and decide a person is guilty or innocent of a crime. We can also, generally these day not so much in the past, dole out an appropriate punishment. But as soon as you add more people to the victim list, or the crime is heinous enough, we lose the ability to easily separate emotions. I still think I am gonna have issues with Canute and how some are taking the priest's words, combined with their thoughts on God, but I will rewatch these scenes and my original comments and offer some more thoughts.
@@TheGenreVerse Yes, ditto everything you said, which is exactly why at the end of the episode Canute decides to turn away from his faith in God and pursue a wordly paradise instead. He’s essentially willing to be the one who suffers at the hand of God’s divine justice so that everyone else doesn’t have to live up to those impossible standards. And the way he’s going to do that is to conquer everything and establish a peaceful rule because, as is evident in the modern age, it’s much, much easier to be a good, loving, caring person when people aren’t constantly trying to kill each other.
Just want to emphasize that because the author has these ideologies and concepts in the story, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he endorses them. He’s just including many perspectives. Also this type of “love” would be closest to the concept of “Agape”.
It has been a while since we recorded this episode, and Christine edited it, but I don't think I meant to assume the writer agrees with this, only that the ideology is messy for humans, wrong for us... If that makes sense. Sometimes I struggle to transition clearly between thoughts or points... But hey, maybe I am misremembering completely!
I believe the priest is taking about unconditional love. Jesus kind of love. Unconditional love is when you love someone no matter what they do and have no expectation of repayment. Hence why he said that ragnars feelings towards the prince were discrimination cause he favoured him and wouldnt have the same "love" for a stranger. same with an earlier episode where the brothers and the prist discuss what love is. They say they have impeccable teamwork and always have each others backs on the battlefield and the priest ask one of them if they would have his back if he were to enter the battlefield and he tells him no. the priest then says that is why his idea of love is different. in this episode its depicted a little wierd but i think it makes a little sense if you see it from this perspective. Sorry for the bad grammar english is a second language.
Don't sweat the English. It was more than adequate. Good point on the type of love thing. It does come off a bit different than that at first, but I think I see the point. Canute's version and methodology however... That could be very dangerous.
I think i got a good interpretation of the christian guy : 15:30 but then what happen when u met someone outside that said cercle that trait u badly ? the idea of the clerc isnt baout human having a lot of cercle of pure love that create or connect to other perfect cercle of love. He is seing that love is an infinite cercle in witch all of supposed creation is in, beside human. we cannot truly love becuz the only one who can are in that cercle, and death in vinland saga is the portal for men to access back to that cercle from witch they were expelled. The form of love human show to each other and to other thing in general is just an unperfect form of that past love. instead of one big cercle in which everyone reside, each individual own his own cercle and even in that cercle the people that u supposely love arent loved equaly.
And thus Prince Canute awakened. And ya humans are ugly witch is why we are looking for ways for the world to be better and even if someone does find something it just breeds a new form of uglyness (something this series kinda touches on later in the manga) we just have to as individuals do the best we can to one and other because forcing ideas onto others just creats more conflic then there already is.
I'm pretty sure even the author would disagree with the priest's opinion on love but he writes a lot of different world views in this manga, you'll see. You don't have to agree with it but this definitely got me thinking
and the author isn't naive. he knows what is practical what isn't. the manga where its currently at is just an amazing build up of every character, emotion, ideology and reality that the author has tried to tell in this entire story.
This was recorded August 3rd... Did I, or someone else, say that we thought the author wrote this of his own opinion? If so, I don't think I meant it that way. Maybe I had difficulty putting it into words, but my disagreeing with what they're saying isn't me saying the author shouldn't write it that way or that they believe in it. I am meaning (I think) to put emphasis on my disagreement with the ideology itself... If that makes sense. It's a great thought provoking thread in the story. -Kyle
Sometimes you have to remember that just because your 39 year old self has heard, "the story as old as time", doesn't mean the youth has. And just because you think it's impossible, doesn't mean it's impossible. There'd be a lot of things we wouldn't have today if one person decided whether or not it was possible. Good and bad. Also, in reference to the Christian God.. The way God is talked about in the bible and the way God refers to himself in the bible is enough to humanize God. You're right, people don't need to do it because the bible does it itself. I'm pretty sure he's felt every range of human emotion, he's got clear biased towards certain individuals, he orders militias to destroy cities.. He is very "humanized".
This episode was recorded in August, you'll have to give me context to what I said was impossible. If it's something she going against human nature on a large scale, then I stand by what I said... Probably lol. God is not humanized in the Bible. God only becomes humanized as the Son, Jesus Christ, who does have all the emotions and feelings and thoughts, but is still divine. Humans question a God that would destroy cities, flood entire regions (known world), allow earthquake and disease, or for a child to be murdered through stabbing 45x... They get angry and say how could a loving God do something like that... They question the sex laws in Leviticus, they question asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, they question everything the big, cosmic, everybody balancing deity doors or says through human eyes, emotions, and thoughts. They say no "loving God" would be like that, do things like that, demand this like that. That's the humanization of God I'm discussing. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@TheGenreVerse Are the points you mentioned not viable reasons to question the Christian God as having human qualities? Why is he so personal with some but not with others? And you pretty much ignored what I said about God basically humanizing himself. Unless our understanding of "humanized" is different. But to me, being humanized is putting human qualities to something that is not human. And if God is putting human qualities to himself.. well then.. idk.. "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me" What kind of emotion is jealousy for a God? There are many more quotes where God refers to how he is. This is just an example. This isn't a quote from a random person, this is a quote from God.
You didn't expect us to get/know something? Or you wanted me to say something there and we didn't so you think I don't have thoughts on that? What's the context lol?
@@TheGenreVerse I wouldn’t expect any of you to fully understand what the priest is saying, because I myself didn’t have the slightest idea of what was happening when I watched it for the first time. It’s similar to how Thorkell has no idea, and he says he wouldn’t expect Thorfinn to know what a true warrior is either. But I don’t think it’s fair to write off Canute as evil or to compare him to Griffith (btw, Griffith is gae, so). Like you(Kyle) mentioned, this topic isn’t discussed enough in the show to give viewers clarity about this "love", the biblical love they're referring to. Most people are lost when the priest says that death is the essence of love. In S1 Ep4, Thors says he's not yet a master of the sword, implying that he’s not a true warrior because he still can’t win a fight without one. Askeladd declares Thors won the duel and then kills him, so essentially Thors’ death is what allowed him to "win" that fight. That’s why Thors is shown when the priest says "death perfects a man." As for Canute, he wasn’t trying to be evil or a villain. He sort of realized that we cannot truly "love," yet the Lord still asks us to. He believes we can never attain true love unless we're dead, which is why he wants to create a better place for people whose only salvation is death. He wants to give them something to live for, something more appealing than death. The priest doesn’t outright say that he doesn’t believe in the Bible, but he questions the Lord’s love when he says, "If You love good people and bad people equally, then why do You test us despite our powerlessness?" He’s basically saying we can never love perfectly, and our version of love is a form of discrimination. Our love is selfish to some extent. tbh, I sometimes ask myself "Is even wanting to be loved back selfish?" or other crazy things like that. I might have a slightly different perspective on Canute since I’ve watched both seasons. A little spoiler for S2 is that we see that Canute’s idea of "saving people" is a bit flawed. As for our mc, Thorfinn, he hasn’t started his character development arc yet, which is why my top 3 for this season are Askeladd, Canute, and Thors. Anyway, I hope to see you guys dive deeper into what you think, especially when you go back to review after the reaction part. It would give you a different perspective the second time around.
wow what the fuck was that reaction from christine lmfao she fr just rolled her eyes at someone who hasn't even finished making their point says a lot rofl
Yeah... Her BS detector is on point lol. We're at 2x12 and Griffith-lite here is doing exactly as we thought... Thinking he can "love" like God but better... 😆
Well, the concept of God itself is an ideology if you see it as a non-believer. Also most of the major religion in this world view the world as black and white, the fact that there is only heaven and hell waiting for people at the end of their life is a proof of that.
Kinda... It depends on application. God is an ideological being in that He is perfect, all knowing, and all powerful. However, having faith in a supreme being and trying to be like said Divine being are two different things. Especially if you, an imperfect human, seek to bring peace through judgement and execution... Humans are not divine in that way.
Like 40 l, uploading anime reactions on UA-cam but still not opening up, reaction here is non existent, I don’t care about audio or video but at least enjoy it! It’s a freaking UA-cam reaction channel! It’s cool but don’t title your videos as reactions! They’re not! It’s just your face with minimum expressions, and these people have no back culture of anime or toons, they never saw anything at 40, they sudden fans? They have no music culture nothing
I'm sorry you feel that way. We like to think we're using authentic reactions and commentary. We're not into overreacting, exaggerating, or outright pretending just to get clicks. As for our experience, how do you know we've seen nothing and only became fans recently? You realize we grew up as anime was introduced into American culture through things like Robotech and Voltron, right? Did you know I was watching Tenchi in middle school... Like 96-99. I was there for the original Toonami as an after school program block. Chobits was something I RENTED in high school! 😆 It's cool if you don't like our style, but I can promise you it's all authentic. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Kyle
@@TheGenreVerse you are not doing shit, I’m sure you’re reaction is just emotionless and that’s the problem, that it’s not a reaction, but in comments you say what you couldn’t on video, you comment some crazy shit that you think of while maintaining a straight face on the reaction
@@TheGenreVerse then you comment some stuff that has nothing to do with the episode, just a channel reacting to anime speechless then as soon as they upload they comment on their own video what they couldn’t say on their video, and it’s just stupid talk
Some early thoughts before I do a second watch on certain scenes and my comments on them.... I responded to a specific comment with this, but I feel some may want to read it too...
God discriminates with His love. While He loves all, he will damn people for their sins. You can be the most helpful, charitable, selfless person in the world, but if you worship any other deity, refuse that your sins put Christ on the cross, or that Jesus is the son of God who was sacrificed and resurrected in the flesh, then He will not let you into Heaven. You will be damned and He will basically say that He never knew you.
He laid out laws governing food, reproduction, marriage, and pretty much every facet of human life, and if we don't follow those, He will punish us... If you don't turn away from and repent for your sins while accepting Christ as your savior.
God declares himself to be a JEALOUS and VENGEFUL God, but a JUST God. People love to bring up Jesus and God's flowery words about love and peace, how Christ dined with and washed the feet of sinners, but immediately ignore the call to REPENT and TURN AWAY from their sins.
Pursuing an ideal with full knowledge that you will have to be flexible and not violate other's free will (free will being handed to us by God himself and being a HUGE part of having faith, choosing God over sin, and getting to heaven) is fine... But humans are not good at that. We get very focused, very easily. Blinded by it.
I think a lot of people forget the brimstone and hellfire from God, and those that don't, think humans can deal the same in a just way.... On a very small scale, we can. We can justly look at evidence and decide a person is guilty or innocent of a crime. We can also, generally these day not so much in the past, dole out an appropriate punishment. But as soon as you add more people to the victim list, or the crime is heinous enough, we lose the ability to easily separate emotions.
I still think I am gonna have issues with Canute and how some are taking the priest's words, combined with their thoughts on God, but I will rewatch these scenes and my original comments and offer some more thoughts.
You thought about that while reacting? Plain face in video and then this? Say that on video not con comment, you can’t, you upload a “reaction” and stay still just to comment more on a message on your own video than you did on your own uploaded video, these are straight serial murderers
Can you be jealous and just? Can you be vengeful and holy? Isn't God meant to be the ultimate role model? He set the rules. He is the divine. Why are we punished for being jealous and vengeful yet he's allowed to?
I know that hearing these things as a Christian must be annoying but they are problematic things. Like, I get that as a Christian you're just meant to accept that that's God's way and to not question it, but if you're not a Christian but you're interested, how do you possibly explain that?
@@blissx7556 it’s not, not that hard, our rock bottom is different for all of us, this dude is just lost, and he’ll regret at some point, time is cruel, the problem is our actions affect our loved ones and this person doesn’t care about them, sad but life is fair to my view, karma they call it, it’s just logic, if you are good those around you will make sure they help you in any way, if you are not, those same people will not waste the opportunity, having contacts has always been important, but it’s talk that can get you contacts or enemies, imagine me saying all of that on a video hahahaah never, and please let me know your thoughts I’m just a 25 year old I appreciate comments and I will listen
@@blissx7556 how? By not worrying about something I don’t believe in
At this point the bible was still in latin to be fair, not the same bible we have today. In latin and old greek there were many words for love (9 different variations of 'love' in greek iirc), instead of just the one it translates to in modern language. They are talking about the purest form of unbiased love, which only god is capable of according to that same bible. Canute is also talking in ways that conflate his concept of 'the father', applied not just to 'god' but also his actual father.
Its pretty common for people (on first reaction) to misinterpret or not really 'get' some of this conversation with Willibald and Canute on first impression. The translations are a bit rough and hard to have one to one and the author tends to use concepts as they were used in that time, not ours. Before writing this he studied most the fiction and nonfiction from this time period and uses many aspects of actual stories (some myth some historic) from irl and aspects of certain characters (such as Canut Thorkell Leif ect) are inspired by the historical accounts of those characters, yet merged with his fictional account.
The show isnt telling us we should agree with what the priest or canute think either... its a fictional account of what these characters 1000 years ago were going through and how they could interpret things within the limits of their time, which will also change over time obviously, Canute is still a teenager here and under immense pressure. It makes sense for his ideals to shift when change is forced on him so abruptly and traumatically. Even today most people go through big changes at some point in life, more frequently when coming of age, having to face their youthful ideals/principles and overturn some of them, and yes ideally one will continue to update their ideals over time with maturity and experience. Makes more sense on rewatch, let it cook :)
I have to agree, this series doesn't tell the viewers to agree with the drunk priest's perspective or Canute's, but it makes you think and question your own ideals and beliefs. Just because you don't understand their sentiment (especially during their time in the middle ages), you don't have to flat out reject or disregard it, we have to be welcoming for others' perspectives and acknowledge it
14:55 The point the priest is making is that the love you have for the other people within your own circle is precisely what can make you lose sight of what is truly good and just in the grand scheme of things. If Ragnar loves and cares about Canute and the villagers love and care about each other, then everything will be right in the world IF AND ONLY IF their interests don't collide. But when it came time to choose between Canute and the lives of 62 innocent villagers, Ragnar chose Canute and allowed those villagers to be slaughtered because of what was supposed be the answer to all the world's evils. The priest is calling that idea into question.
There's a reason this definition of love is a central theme of basically every major religion/philosophy/legal system/political ideology in the world. It's the single biggest moral dilemma we face as human beings. If this isn't deep, I don't know what is.
Humans are not capable of the kind of love God is. Humans cannot think on a large enough scale, without emotion, to justly decide when to wipe out entire civilizations, or to demand adherence and loyalty to one supreme person/being.
I'm gonna do a video reanalyzing this because I do think I'm getting hung up on Canute possibly rationalizing murder and mayhem as love if the results are "peace" which is NOT the kind of love humans can justly have.
Thanks for your thoughts and for watching.
@@TheGenreVerse I totally get what you’re saying but I think two distinctions are in order. First, the fact that you will inevitably fall short of an ideal does not automatically make that an ideal not worth pursuing. There are a good number of people who genuinely believe that protecting only those near and dear to you is the ultimate good and that having love and compassion for your enemies is actually a bad thing. The priest’s idea of love challenges that idea.
Second, you have to distinguish between what the ideal is and what people do in the name of that ideal. It in no way follows from the idea that indiscriminate love is the ultimate ideal, that those who don’t believe in that ideal deserve to be slaughtered. That's just Canute’s particular (mis)interpretation of what the priest was talking about.
Hopefully this helps inform your reanalysis of this episode. I’ll be looking forward to it.
Don't forget though... God discriminates with His love. While He loves all, he will damn people for their sins. You can be the most helpful, charitable, selfless person in the world, but if you worship any other deity, refuse that your sins put Christ on the cross, or that Jesus is the son of God who was sacrificed and resurrected in the flesh, then He will not let you into Heaven. You will be damned and He will basically say that He never knew you.
He laid out laws governing food, reproduction, marriage, and pretty much every facet of human life, and if we don't follow those, He will punish us... If you don't turn away from and repent for your sins while accepting Christ as your savior.
God declares himself to be a JEALOUS and VENGEFUL God, but a JUST God. People love to bring up Jesus and God's flowery words about love and peace, how Christ dined with and washed the feet of sinners, but immediately ignore the call to REPENT and TURN AWAY from their sins.
Pursuing an ideal with full knowledge that you will have to be flexible and not violate other's free will (free will being handed to us by God himself and being a HUGE part of having faith, choosing God over sin, and getting to heaven) is fine... But humans are not good at that. We get very focused, very easily. Blinded by it.
I think a lot of people forget the brimstone and hellfire from God, and those that don't, think humans can deal the same in a just way.... On a very small scale, we can. We can justly look at evidence and decide a person is guilty or innocent of a crime. We can also, generally these day not so much in the past, dole out an appropriate punishment. But as soon as you add more people to the victim list, or the crime is heinous enough, we lose the ability to easily separate emotions.
I still think I am gonna have issues with Canute and how some are taking the priest's words, combined with their thoughts on God, but I will rewatch these scenes and my original comments and offer some more thoughts.
@@TheGenreVerse Yes, ditto everything you said, which is exactly why at the end of the episode Canute decides to turn away from his faith in God and pursue a wordly paradise instead. He’s essentially willing to be the one who suffers at the hand of God’s divine justice so that everyone else doesn’t have to live up to those impossible standards. And the way he’s going to do that is to conquer everything and establish a peaceful rule because, as is evident in the modern age, it’s much, much easier to be a good, loving, caring person when people aren’t constantly trying to kill each other.
Just want to emphasize that because the author has these ideologies and concepts in the story, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he endorses them. He’s just including many perspectives. Also this type of “love” would be closest to the concept of “Agape”.
It has been a while since we recorded this episode, and Christine edited it, but I don't think I meant to assume the writer agrees with this, only that the ideology is messy for humans, wrong for us... If that makes sense. Sometimes I struggle to transition clearly between thoughts or points... But hey, maybe I am misremembering completely!
I believe the priest is taking about unconditional love. Jesus kind of love. Unconditional love is when you love someone no matter what they do and have no expectation of repayment.
Hence why he said that ragnars feelings towards the prince were discrimination cause he favoured him and wouldnt have the same "love" for a stranger. same with an earlier episode where the brothers and the prist discuss what love is. They say they have impeccable teamwork and always have each others backs on the battlefield and the priest ask one of them if they would have his back if he were to enter the battlefield and he tells him no. the priest then says that is why his idea of love is different.
in this episode its depicted a little wierd but i think it makes a little sense if you see it from this perspective.
Sorry for the bad grammar english is a second language.
Don't sweat the English. It was more than adequate. Good point on the type of love thing. It does come off a bit different than that at first, but I think I see the point. Canute's version and methodology however... That could be very dangerous.
This is one of my favorite episodes of Vinland Saga as a series. It’s so well done!
I think i got a good interpretation of the christian guy :
15:30 but then what happen when u met someone outside that said cercle that trait u badly ? the idea of the clerc isnt baout human having a lot of cercle of pure love that create or connect to other perfect cercle of love.
He is seing that love is an infinite cercle in witch all of supposed creation is in, beside human. we cannot truly love becuz the only one who can are in that cercle, and death in vinland saga is the portal for men to access back to that cercle from witch they were expelled.
The form of love human show to each other and to other thing in general is just an unperfect form of that past love. instead of one big cercle in which everyone reside, each individual own his own cercle and even in that cercle the people that u supposely love arent loved equaly.
I plan to do a video on this. I think I am hyper focused on Canute seeming to think he can tyranny his way to peace.
And thus Prince Canute awakened. And ya humans are ugly witch is why we are looking for ways for the world to be better and even if someone does find something it just breeds a new form of uglyness (something this series kinda touches on later in the manga) we just have to as individuals do the best we can to one and other because forcing ideas onto others just creats more conflic then there already is.
I'm pretty sure even the author would disagree with the priest's opinion on love but he writes a lot of different world views in this manga, you'll see. You don't have to agree with it but this definitely got me thinking
and the author isn't naive. he knows what is practical what isn't. the manga where its currently at is just an amazing build up of every character, emotion, ideology and reality that the author has tried to tell in this entire story.
This was recorded August 3rd... Did I, or someone else, say that we thought the author wrote this of his own opinion? If so, I don't think I meant it that way. Maybe I had difficulty putting it into words, but my disagreeing with what they're saying isn't me saying the author shouldn't write it that way or that they believe in it. I am meaning (I think) to put emphasis on my disagreement with the ideology itself... If that makes sense. It's a great thought provoking thread in the story. -Kyle
Sometimes you have to remember that just because your 39 year old self has heard, "the story as old as time", doesn't mean the youth has. And just because you think it's impossible, doesn't mean it's impossible. There'd be a lot of things we wouldn't have today if one person decided whether or not it was possible. Good and bad.
Also, in reference to the Christian God.. The way God is talked about in the bible and the way God refers to himself in the bible is enough to humanize God. You're right, people don't need to do it because the bible does it itself. I'm pretty sure he's felt every range of human emotion, he's got clear biased towards certain individuals, he orders militias to destroy cities.. He is very "humanized".
This episode was recorded in August, you'll have to give me context to what I said was impossible. If it's something she going against human nature on a large scale, then I stand by what I said... Probably lol.
God is not humanized in the Bible. God only becomes humanized as the Son, Jesus Christ, who does have all the emotions and feelings and thoughts, but is still divine.
Humans question a God that would destroy cities, flood entire regions (known world), allow earthquake and disease, or for a child to be murdered through stabbing 45x... They get angry and say how could a loving God do something like that... They question the sex laws in Leviticus, they question asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, they question everything the big, cosmic, everybody balancing deity doors or says through human eyes, emotions, and thoughts.
They say no "loving God" would be like that, do things like that, demand this like that.
That's the humanization of God I'm discussing.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@TheGenreVerse Are the points you mentioned not viable reasons to question the Christian God as having human qualities? Why is he so personal with some but not with others? And you pretty much ignored what I said about God basically humanizing himself. Unless our understanding of "humanized" is different. But to me, being humanized is putting human qualities to something that is not human.
And if God is putting human qualities to himself.. well then.. idk..
"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me"
What kind of emotion is jealousy for a God? There are many more quotes where God refers to how he is. This is just an example. This isn't a quote from a random person, this is a quote from God.
@@TheGenreVerse Also, the impossible idea was the idea that humans can bring peace to the world themselves. They don't need a God to step in.
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You didn't expect us to get/know something? Or you wanted me to say something there and we didn't so you think I don't have thoughts on that? What's the context lol?
@@TheGenreVerse I wouldn’t expect any of you to fully understand what the priest is saying, because I myself didn’t have the slightest idea of what was happening when I watched it for the first time. It’s similar to how Thorkell has no idea, and he says he wouldn’t expect Thorfinn to know what a true warrior is either.
But I don’t think it’s fair to write off Canute as evil or to compare him to Griffith (btw, Griffith is gae, so). Like you(Kyle) mentioned, this topic isn’t discussed enough in the show to give viewers clarity about this "love", the biblical love they're referring to.
Most people are lost when the priest says that death is the essence of love.
In S1 Ep4, Thors says he's not yet a master of the sword, implying that he’s not a true warrior because he still can’t win a fight without one. Askeladd declares Thors won the duel and then kills him, so essentially Thors’ death is what allowed him to "win" that fight. That’s why Thors is shown when the priest says "death perfects a man."
As for Canute, he wasn’t trying to be evil or a villain. He sort of realized that we cannot truly "love," yet the Lord still asks us to. He believes we can never attain true love unless we're dead, which is why he wants to create a better place for people whose only salvation is death. He wants to give them something to live for, something more appealing than death. The priest doesn’t outright say that he doesn’t believe in the Bible, but he questions the Lord’s love when he says, "If You love good people and bad people equally, then why do You test us despite our powerlessness?" He’s basically saying we can never love perfectly, and our version of love is a form of discrimination. Our love is selfish to some extent. tbh, I sometimes ask myself "Is even wanting to be loved back selfish?" or other crazy things like that.
I might have a slightly different perspective on Canute since I’ve watched both seasons. A little spoiler for S2 is that we see that Canute’s idea of "saving people" is a bit flawed. As for our mc, Thorfinn, he hasn’t started his character development arc yet, which is why my top 3 for this season are Askeladd, Canute, and Thors. Anyway, I hope to see you guys dive deeper into what you think, especially when you go back to review after the reaction part. It would give you a different perspective the second time around.
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wow what the fuck was that reaction from christine lmfao
she fr just rolled her eyes at someone who hasn't even finished making their point
says a lot rofl
Yeah... Her BS detector is on point lol. We're at 2x12 and Griffith-lite here is doing exactly as we thought... Thinking he can "love" like God but better... 😆
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Well, the concept of God itself is an ideology if you see it as a non-believer. Also most of the major religion in this world view the world as black and white, the fact that there is only heaven and hell waiting for people at the end of their life is a proof of that.
Kinda... It depends on application. God is an ideological being in that He is perfect, all knowing, and all powerful. However, having faith in a supreme being and trying to be like said Divine being are two different things. Especially if you, an imperfect human, seek to bring peace through judgement and execution... Humans are not divine in that way.
Like 40 l, uploading anime reactions on UA-cam but still not opening up, reaction here is non existent, I don’t care about audio or video but at least enjoy it! It’s a freaking UA-cam reaction channel! It’s cool but don’t title your videos as reactions! They’re not! It’s just your face with minimum expressions, and these people have no back culture of anime or toons, they never saw anything at 40, they sudden fans? They have no music culture nothing
I'm sorry you feel that way. We like to think we're using authentic reactions and commentary.
We're not into overreacting, exaggerating, or outright pretending just to get clicks.
As for our experience, how do you know we've seen nothing and only became fans recently? You realize we grew up as anime was introduced into American culture through things like Robotech and Voltron, right? Did you know I was watching Tenchi in middle school... Like 96-99.
I was there for the original Toonami as an after school program block. Chobits was something I RENTED in high school! 😆
It's cool if you don't like our style, but I can promise you it's all authentic. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Kyle
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@@TheGenreVerse you are not doing shit, I’m sure you’re reaction is just emotionless and that’s the problem, that it’s not a reaction, but in comments you say what you couldn’t on video, you comment some crazy shit that you think of while maintaining a straight face on the reaction
@@TheGenreVerse then you comment some stuff that has nothing to do with the episode, just a channel reacting to anime speechless then as soon as they upload they comment on their own video what they couldn’t say on their video, and it’s just stupid talk
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