I have one because we like to play as a family and my wife plays and my kids and their friends. A console is more social than a PC. Real life social, not on voice chat like all PC friends....
@@mastracu66207 yes it's just because the 4070 is a little bit faster RX 7700xt with better Raytraycing and better upscaling. So measured in real world performance: The 4070 might be as close to the PS5 pro as it gets. Not architecture-wise thats for sure.
you would think gaming laptops dont exist..consoles are more comparable in hardware and power efficiency to laptops. which also aren't upgradable. but then the cost narrative goes out the window.
They're not comparable because of cost I have a 4080 laptop that cost me £3000. Meanwhile I play my PS5 99% of the time because: - it's quieter - everything just works immediately - online is way better with far less cheats, there's no debate that pc is a significantly worse online experience.
@@WildfireX Why did you buy a 4080 laptop out of interest? I always wonder why, because the pixel density of 1080p on a laptop screen is better than 4k on a 43 inch screen, so you only really need 4060 level performance to do 1080p.
@@bogstandardash3751 because I previously had an MSI gt72s for 7 years before it with a measly 980m card inside it. I figured if I was going to buy a laptop that I hope to last me another 5-7 years & perform well the whole time, then I'll spend more this time than I did last time (because I work now, as opposed to being a student last time). The CPU was actually what I wanted first, so I wanted a 24 core cpu to give me as much overhead as possible for a range of tasks, then I figured "why not spend a bit extra to get a 4080 as well" I also needed a numpad which eliminated a bunch of laptops & i wanted to avoid the 4090 because they were £4000 instead of 3. After that I ended up buying an LG 1440p 240hz OLED 27" monitor that I could use for both my laptop and PS5 (I play at a desk anyway,not a couch player) So yeah, I happily play at 1440p & switching to OLED was the best decision I made. Hitting 240fps on most games is basically not happening on either of my devices, but I like to have the overheard in case anything changes (already had the motherboard swapped because of a gpu failure in the first year!) I've also moved country twice & will again, hence choosing a laptop over a desktop
A laptop comes with a screen and is designed to be easily moved and power efficient. What would be the point of comparing them ? A desktop on the other hand doesn't comes with a screen, isn't portable and doesn't have to run on battery.
Any GPU is better than what’s included in the PS5 Pro because it can be installed in a system that has a disc drive. A disc drive should be a non-negotiable for a console of that price or “tier”. Not including one in a budget focused Series S or Digital PS5 is fair enough and pro-consumer in comparison to releasing a flagship tier console and not including the disc drive. Disgusting tactics on display by Sony.
95% of PCs ive seen in the last 8 years dont have a disc drive. A GPU has to be installed, the pro comes built... 80% of all ps5 games sold were digital last year. I mean, you dont have to buy one but lots of people do and will. a disc drive can be added to a pro IF NEEDED.
I agree with the comment above. The OP is off his rocker. On a leveled playing field, you're dealing with a PS5 Pro tailored specifically for gaming vs a laptop of equivalent specs. The disc drive doesn't matter because PC has done away with disc drives and most games sold on PS5 has been sold digitally.
@@indiscretion. Off my rocker? Lmao. That's pretty baseless. Most people I know that use PC still use a disc drive. I'm happy to concede that disc drives for PCs have been phased out somewhat regarding contemporary Gaming PCs (chassis not having the appropriate bays, etc.) However, when you take into consideration the sheer number of prebuilts that are still sold every year (and these make up the vast majority of PC sales), that still contain a disc drive then it thwarts your argument. Are Why be complicit in these anti-consumer behaviours? That's what I'd like to know. Why knowingly participate in actions that have a net negative effect on the consumer?
Question for the room: how are people expecting the ps5 pro to deliver performance on par with GPUs that consume more power than the entire console combined?
@@timmynothumbnoob6507 no amount of efficiency is going to enable a less than 250 watt system to outperform a system with a modern GPU from the last few years that uses 300+ watts.
@@timmynothumbnoob6507 do you realise that the same company (AMD) that makes desktop CPU and GPU makes the CPU and GPU for the PS5? From where will they bring more efficient chips, from alien technology?
You can't understate the benefit of good upscaling. In many scenarios I would prefer dlss balanced over fsr quality and you'd be getting better performance also. Could be as much as a 20% perceived performance uplift with a really good implementation. So a 4070 with slightly worse raster performance. A $500-550 GPU. In a complete $800 system. Not horrible if you only game. PC still wins overall because of the endless uses of a PC adds so much value to a $900 - 1000 build that would be equivalent performance. Apples to Oranges really.
7800xt at 2.2ghz ps5pro mhz is only 8%on avg slower than a regular 7800xt at 2.5ghz and a normal 7800xt is from 5-15%faster than 4070rtx so ps5pro same lvls 4070rtx and not 7700xt specially on high resolution where u need fast memory 7700xt is 192bit card
@@valonfazlija889 It is not high res, they are using PSSR on PS5 Pro in all games, meaning internal res is much lower, probably 1080p since it scales easily to 4K/UHD.
They said it will be 45% faster. PS5 has RX 6700 level performance and 45% faster than RX 6700 is RX 6800 so PS5 Pro will have the equivalent of RX 6800 performance. RX 7800 XT too much.
@@Patrick-tw7nr Well don't know what the sources are for those outlets but Mark Cerny the chief engineer of PlayStation said it will be 45% faster and that makes it RX 6800 equivalent. RX 7800 XT is BS.
Personally I felt that the PS5 on its own was a decent console, if they wanted a mid-generation refresh, the asking price is a little high. When it comes to what a console can do, it's limited by the service provided, supported games and what not. PC is not limited in that aspect, with a large variety of available services to play games from, better deals on games during sales and you don't have to pay for subscription to play online. Sure, the initial asking price for PC is higher for similar specs and it does have a learning curve in certain aspects. Consoles are plug and play, but the current generation doesn't really have as many games that you couldn't already get on PS4 or Xbox One due to cross gen. Hooray, another Last of Us re-release... Hooray a remake of Until Dawn which is overall worse due to changes that hurt the tension... Let's not forget that there's one thing consoles can't do without modifications that could void use if not officially supported: Emulation. That might be a bit niche (ignoring the legal side of things) but I'm sure it's not uncommon to find a subset of gamers who favour retro games and there's not really any service that provides a clear answer to that especially with obscure titles.
7900 GRE is 2x the performance of the PS5 *Base PS5, not Pro, sorry lol Pro GPU should be on par with a 7700xt/rx6800 if it’s ~40% stronger, but “should” also have superior RT performance to those cards
I enjoy trying to match/surpass consoles such as the PS5 Pro in a SFF type build. In my experience, that is where consoles shine, is in the power relative to the size of the case, using only air cooling. Its obviously very easy to obliterate a console if I'm able to use even an mATX case, but SFF/MITX with just air cooling is where it gets a bit trickier. Anyways, great discussion.
Yea it really comes down to the psu and gpu plastic both taking so much space rather than having the chip be on the mobo, you can make a pc with cpu, ram, ssd, cooler, all on the mobo but those 2 just take so much area if we shrunk those down home pcs would be tiny gpus use to be that tiny in the slot as well
Look at for example Ratchet & Clank on PS5 Pro (videos are out now), using higher levels of RT and PSSR upscaling. Will any RDNA3 GPU really render something comparable to that? If this is a question of what to buy to play with at least PS5 Pro levels of settings, than I would just wait for RDNA4.
@@ZeroZingo I would say native rendering is better then any upscaling solution so the 7900gre does do a better job then the ps5 pro, although throw raytracing into the mix and the ps5 pro is really capable and the RDNA 3 GPUs do fall short
Who needs to buy the highest end overclocking enthusiast grade mobos or a 5090 to deal with the pro? You console fanboys love spreading misleading information
@@BiscuitMan2005 even a poo mobo is a few hundred bucks, any decent gpu is over 1k, havent even come to the CPU yet another 500. Sure a PC can be better, but at a steep cost and you have to build it and tinker with drivers and windows updates. A pro is good for plug and play, also families and multiplayer in the same house, kids with friends over, family game night. that stuff is harder on a pc. PC master race is getting old, ive heard that for over 20 years...
@@RobertBolzicco another braindead console fanboy take. No you don't need to spend a few hundred on a decent mobo $150 will do you just fine. And lmao at $500, you don't need the newest i9 or a 7800x3d either. Obviously a competing pc will cost more than the pro but you console fanboys need to stop pushing your lame disingenuous narratives about pc
@@BiscuitMan2005 I have a PC tard. My cheapo mobo was 200+ my CPU wasnt top of the line and was still 400+ new. I know the cost to game on a PC, I know the console life too, not my first rodeo there bud. Hogwarts on my pc needed 32GB ram, had to upgrade from 16 because it was laggy. just one example of constant upgrades needed for games. look at flight sim, 64GB is needed.
@@RobertBolzicco you overspending has nothing to do with what the average pc gamer's needs to deal with the pro. and you making silly comments like a decent gpu being 1k+ is making you sound ignorant. also using isolated edge cases like msfs is pointless (especially when 32gb could get you by with some level multitasking without lagging). there are plenty of builds, while not cheaper than the pro, that will clear it without the unnecessary spending fanboys spread out on the internet
PS5 Pro = 7700XT at most. Why? Because PS5 Pro consumes 200-225 watts for the entire system. Obviously it don't deliver anything high-end with this wattage, however, good for a console and PSSR is almost on DLSS level, so it will do wonders. Does not change the fact that GPU wise, it is around 7700XT level.
Some people like to play on console, others on pc. If there should be a comparison, this is a gaming device comparison, a similar priced pc could never be built at the same price and after 7-8 years, won't perform at same level as the console. For webbrowsing a cheap laptop does well. A 400 $ pc bought in 2013 (ps4 launch) is now only good for webbrowsing.
Remember when the PS4 was the best way to play PS4 games. Remember when the PS4 Pro was the best way to play PS4 games. Remember when the PS5 was the best way to play PS4 games. Remember when the PS5 Pro was the best way to play PS4 games. Remember when the PS6...
playstation is the best way to play games. no $2000 GPU, 4k set up, no windows crashes, BSOD, updates, drivers, bios, none of that. Just plug and play. Simple for 90% of people. Others dont mind building a system and tinkering with it, also fine.
I was a die hard consol player. When i started looking into the fact that games were generally more expensive on console. Had to pay yearly for live/plus. And the fact that i couldnt upgrade the consol and reuse parts and had to buy a new one. Over the course of 10 years there is ZERO price difference and I generally get better performance and more tweaks to get higher fps on pc
GTA6 will launch on consoles for at least 1 year before it launches into PCs. AAA games will always launch 1st into consoles bc it’s way easier to do so…
@@tringuyen7519 Not as common these days. I'm not sure why Rockstar is doing that, to be honest. Look at the new Silent Hill remake, PS5 and PC same day. Just playing it.
Got yet another windows 11 blue screen of death on my ryzen 7735HS system today. Rebuilding windows is becoming a monthly chore. Most of my best games are retro anyway, so consoles are fine. No poorly optimized ports, melty connectors, deep fried intel chips or overpriced GPUs
Honestly, 7700 XT with better upscaling until FSR 4 comes along sounds about right. Yeah, better memory bandwidth, but it'll also run at lower clocks than say an RX 7800 XT and it'll be enslaved to a semi-ancient CPU architecture, so it's NOT gonna outperform an RX 7800 XT.
Great, another thing on list I cannot afford. 😂 It does look promising going by DF videos.❤ Console may give some competition to nvidia at least, think of the people who maybe get a PS5 Pro instead of 4070 or 4060. Maybe we finally see some price stalemate in mid tier cards from 5000 series. Especially as 4070 and 4080 sold pretty badly in Europe. 4070 was down by 100€ on msrp a month after release (bought one for my sister). That’s why we got 15-20% faster 4070 Super and that too sold 100€ below msrp a month after (bought one). 4080 sold for 200€ below msrp and was toned of them in open box in Germany, Poland and Norway. That’s why 4080 Super was 999€. But the most competition that we need is mid range, to push bottom line down and get trickle down value going again.
Unfortunately, it seems the effect of Nvidia's pricing wasn't limited to the GPU market. Clearly Sony saw this and thought, "I want some of that". Console gaming has always competed at the entry to low-mid range, but it didn't use to cost ¥120,000😮
probably, add the fsr 3 and frame gen and youre good to go. The pro is using those to help boost frames. Some games will be better native and some better with all the "fake frames" My pro arrived today, cant wait to boot it up. RX 8000 in the new year, good times.
I do love a little trash talk at those consolers' expense. It is however sad to see how expensive they are becoming. Their games were supposed to make up for that, what with being almost opposite to PC, where the hardware is more pricey, but the game and various markets are more cost effective. Looks like the console is headed the way of the Dodo, with the other big player; Microsoft looking to just be software game publisher alongside its other brands like Windows, Server, Office, etc. Monopolies aren't great.
You're also not paying for a subscription service on PC like you would with PS Plus, provided you play multiplayer games. That's like what, 80$ a year for the base version? So that's an additional 320$ over the course of 4 years in subscription fees, which would line up with a 1K$ PC.
you get 3 free games a month with that. thats saving 180/month. thats a $1500 value a year. Now they owe you money... after 4 years that PC has been upgraded a few times.
taking the 7700 xt to compare it to the ps5 pro is like taking a 4070, removing the tensor cores and saying it have the same performance of the 4070. Do you consider yourself a hardware fan?
It's a higher mid end card in reality, and that's all it will ever be, at the very best, in a console. I am shocked you didn't look into it little more first though. It's GPU has rDNA 4 features, but probably will still be rDNA 3 at heart. Sony like to employ custom GPU so they can get specific features that they believe will be very useful to have, whilst keeping costs down. It will also slightly punch above it's weight, and won't be reliant on FSR (praise the lord). Anyone expecting ridiculous high end GPU performance in terms of rasterisation or otherwise, will be disappointed. Will it provide a very passable 4k image from where you sit on your sofa at 60fps in many games, absolutely. I often feel that many pc gamers kinda miss this part of equation. Sitting on my sofa from 12 feet away on a relatively modest 55" TV, I don't necessarily need as pristine an image as I used to need when I was a pc gamer and less than 1 ft away from a monitor.
The GPU in the PS5 Pro has RDNA3 rasterization and RDNA4 ray tracing tech. It's mix between RDNA 3 and 4. And as you said it will be quite good for 4K game content on your TV. Is not just the distance here because when it outputs 4K, no matter how close you sit on your 4K TV it will still look great. The distance only helps when it outputs lower resolution and the distance makes up for the less sharp image that you will detect much easier sitting right in from of it. The issue is more the fps since PC gamers go for high fps and play games with 90 and 120 and 160 etc fps but they also have high refresh monitors that can keep up with such high frames. TV's don't have such high refresh rates. Most of them are just 60HZ and the best of them don't go above 120hz while PC monitors even go up to 500hz. So more than likely 95% of people have 60Hz TV's therefore the 60fps in 4K of a console like the Pro are more than good enough.
so what now? how does it compare with the official 16.7 Teraflops instead 33 Teraflops? thats like 6.5 tflops more then the assumed 23 tflops more. does this mean we have a 15% improvement instead of 45%? which card compares? 6700xt?
I called it already that it'll be a 6750XT or 3070ti performance. The actual bottleneck is the super nerfed, under clock 3700X at 3.5ghz. You can see the FPS increase when you turn on boost mode that clocks in at 3.8ghz. The chip wouldn't have been a problem feeding the GPU with a 4.4ghz boost like what you should get on a desktop.
Just bought first PC last year. 4080. Coming from an SX and PS5, with pro on order. Best thing about SX.. absolutely nothing. It’s a waste of a purchase if you have a PC. The PS5 pro I ordered because Sony games are amazing and PC still doesn’t have day 1 releases of PS5 games. The other great thing about console tho is after you install the game no internet required where pc I can’t play games like rdr2 without internet, that’s my only negative with PC is constant connect to verify. Other than that 4k max settings at 100+ fps on ghost recon wild lands ❤. I thought the SX looked good, oh my god it’s on another level on PC.
4080 and 4090 thing was a joke, infact it was done my pc master race people who were trying to make fun of the console fanboys that were comparing it with rtx 4070. but i say its fair for them (console fanboys) to say that it competes with a 4070, no its not a 4070 and loses to it but not at the level these guys in the comments describe it, some of these people genuinely think their museum piece of a pc is "superior" to the ps5 pro when its not. and its not ego these guys genuinely think this way which baffles me. linus compared it with an rx 7800xt and it still won by a tad bit, i see another guy in the comments who has both a ps5 pro and the 7900 gre and said its performance lies between a 7700xt and a 7900 gre. its not a 4070 but it is competing atleast in the gaming aspect.
@@justmatt2655 Is not as much of an issue as you people think. Sony said they made their calculations and they concluded that even in the occasion the CPU and GPU needs to be pushed to it's limits the bottleneck the CPU could cause is no more than 3-4 frames. And is not that strange if you think about since 1080p isn't that demanding and yet it needs more CPU than 4K does that stresses the GPU more. On top of that the CPU in the console doesn't run all that background stuff it does on PC and therefore works with like 10-15% more efficiency and not to mention custom chips that take away the load of the CPU that a console like the PS5 has. PS5 has custom hardware for compression and decompression and PSSR has it's own hardware, and an extra processor for handling sounds and connectivity stuff etc and it is in APU form directly communicating with the GPU and uses GDDR6 unified very fast memory instead of sending data to something like DDR memory modules etc . You may say it's just a Zen 2 CPU but all the extra slim lining and tech inside a specialized gaming device like a console makes up a lot of the difference between a Zen 2 and a Zen 4 etc.
@ one game that isn’t even patched to run with PS5 pro hardware and that is what you want to run with? Go home and try again. You will bow down to the almighty PRO!
The PS5 Pro is a custom die. 60 CU Navi 32 at heart, but 4 active MCDs, and RDNA 4 improvements similar to Navi 48. The PS5 Pro is not RDNA 3.5, that's the iGPU graphics architecture for mobile and 9000 series. It's a 3700X with RTX 4070 performance, no 7800 XT, no Zen 3 / 4 compute.
The ps5 pros gpu has a mix of rdna 3 and 4 that’s why they say rdna 3.5 so yes they’re right about that and none of the gpus mentioned in this video have rdna 4.
@chasethechosenone8478 Please read my comment again, and try to understand. Having a "mix" of RDNA 3 Navi 32 design and RDNA 4 features does not make it RDNA 3.5. RDNA 3.5 is already a separate existing architecture for iGPUs in mobile and Ryzen 9000 packages, as I mentioned. You cannot just turn it into a grade school math problem and call the PS5 Pro die RDNA 3.5, obviously.
That video proved absolutely nothing. Digital Foundry's tests show the PS5 performs like an RX 6700. Sony announced the PS5 Pro would be up to 45% faster than the PS5, which puts it in the territory of the RX 7700 XT, RX 6800, or 3070 Ti. The 4070 is nearly 70% faster than the RX 6700.
AMD have X3D CPU. I still don't know why SONY dont use 5800XD3 or 5700X3D in PS5 Pro. They stick to oryginal 8 Core Zen 2 CPU so like 3800X. Same AMD say at launch of Zen 3 they are compatible (still Zen arch). So why they don't refresh CPU? They use new faster GPU, faster GDDR6 memory. They change from RDNA 2 to RDNA 3. But why not change Zen 2 for Zen 3 X3D. Yes they OC it from 3,5Ghz to 3.85Ghz WOW!! XD 350Mhz more... If SONY use X3D CPU in console devs will optimize more games for it this will benefit AMD to get better in PC market. 9800X3D have the same clock as 9700X. So it's not even slower like 5800X3D vs 5800X. And for RT/PT better CPU make difference. So I hope PS6 use 9800X3D or at least cheaper 7800X3D.
I wouldn't say better but.. you could easily get a 6800xt for $300 and a 5600x tower with all the stuff you need for $250. Maybe it doesn't beat the PS5 but considering it's a lot less and has unlimited potential to be used for everything else PCs do.. id go with the budget PC build anyway. I have $1100 in my PC and it will destroy a PS5 pro.
@@christophermullins7163 lol no it won't, I'm a PC guy and a long time ago I came to appreciate what consoles are able to do at $500. Can your $1100 PC do really good upscaling with ray tracing and output a decently looking 4k imagine at 60 fps?
@@mohyari3075 5600 @ 4.7ghz 24gb ram and a 4070 TiSuper... You tellin me optimization will bridge the massive gap in the hardware performance? Really bud?
@@thewhiteknight9923sure, but when Sony tells you “its a 45% increase in performance” thats probably a best case scenario, or at least a high estimate.
yeah, that specs are really eye opening, so, the cpu was only a lil overclocked, the teraflops where counted over fp16 presicion, meaning it really have just 16-17 teraflops on a real gaming enviroment (this by digital foundry) and lastly... did sony really want me to believe his OS has been made lighter and uses less ram, while they blow up his AD system/algorythm that, obviously, uses lots of more ram???? (those ads opening mid-games are gonna cost lost of RAM, and is stupid to believe they arent implementing them at some point if they already have the software installed in every ps5-pro) so, where between the bottleneck produced with that obsolete cpu (which compares only to 7-8th intel generation, which is obsolete in todays pc standards and being taken out by windows 11, cuz they really outdated) and the extra ram usage by ads, this will kill mid-tier pcs????? i dont see it happening, like, ever XDDDD any mid-tier pc right now, are able to run alan wake 2 way better then ps5-pro specs, so, wheres the killing?????
Power consumption is the last weapon console peasants brag of 🤣 They used to be proud of consoles' performance and low price but PS5 pro is far more expensive than 7700XT.
Im truly trying to understand why any of this matters if everyone already has the rig or console they prefer why even waste time just game ...whether u like the pro or not shouldn't change anything...i honestly feel that people fwel threatened for whatever reason
Sony Boy's copium says ps5 pro pc is $1200+. Hahaha sure. I could build equivalent pc with better cpu and more ram for the same price as PS5 pro. With AI upscaling and good RT performance. let me know if youd like my help with a build. 😊
@@ChrisL-d4c lol you also need a monitor for the PS5, so what the heck is that argument lmao and the fact, that you have to pay a sh1load for every game, that you have to pay a sh1tload for freaking ONLINE PLAY - WTF?!, that you can literally only play what Sony allows you to, there is no autonomy, you arent the boss of your machine, you cant change graphics settings and the settings that are used by the consoles are basically NEVER the max settings on pc aka you can get a way better experience on PC with adequate hardware, which brings me to the next point - you can easily upgrade your pc, with consoles you buy it and get low end CPU + mid range GPU and then next gen you do the same again for a low end CPU + mid range GPU. The funny thing is, that in like 2 months Nvidia will release the first parts of the RTX 5000 series. So at that point even the GPU in the PS5 pro will be low end lmao, so both, CPU and GPU will be low end. and the biggest thing of them all - a PC can do everything, a PS5 can just do that - play Sony games. it can do one thing, and that not even well, it has to resort to upscaling and not just that - it often uses the heaviest upscaling like 720p upscaled to 4k (I recommend Digital Foundry videos), if youre lucky the game uses 1080p to 4k and all that with a horrible upscaler called FSR. PS5 Pro improves on the upscaler with PSSR, but that one is still not on the level of DLSS Upscaling. So even if you see the same framerates as a pc - if both use the exact same settings, have the exact same performance - the PC with DLSS will look better. But usually you can increase performance pretty easily by changing around a few specific settings, which you also cant do on a console game. Consoles treat you like tech illiterate. I mean, if you like it - there you go, but a PC vs consoles is like Android vs. iOS. oh and a Windows key costs like 15 bucks. So thats nothing. A Pc can cost more than the PS5 and it would still be better bc of all the points I just said. You just castrate yourself with a console, you dont gain anything. The consoles cant do anything a pc cant do better. The ONLY thing a console can, is playing some exclusive games, thats the only reason I would ever consider one, like Demon Souls, Bloodborne.
@DELTA9XTC talking more than a female. I guess you think this is flexing but all it's doing is revealing that you have nothing else going on in your life so you focus all of your time on games where you can pretend to be someone else . Me I'll be on the couch with some friends smoking out and eating some wings and watching a 98 inch screen. Now get back to the basement your mom will tell you when dinner's ready son
i love how it went from less powerful to more powerful halfway through the video........ not. since it is a console and will have less wattage with a smaller heat sink there is no way it will come close to a 6900gre wont even hit 6800xt. guarantee it
Total: $739.79 No point of the PS5P when you can build a 5600/7700XT and can do PC things. CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($70.00) CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($17.89 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($45.97 @ Amazon) Storage: Silicon Power A60 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($50.97 @ Amazon) Video Card: PowerColor Fighter OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card ($349.99 @ Newegg) Case: Okinos Aqua 3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair CX (2023) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
That CPU blows and will bottleneck like crazy. DDR4 ram. PS5 has DDR5. Gen3 m.2, PS5 has Gen4. That PC won't play games at 4k/60 but the PS5 Pro will. You have to over-spec a PC because of optimization. A PC GPU needs to be around a gen newer to match a console APU.
So in reality all Sony did here is successfully create a system that will be heavily bottlenecked by the CPU. O yes and they charge $700 for this bottleneck.
@@kcamfork That's the GPU. PS5 has 512mb of DDR4, and a new $300 i5 PC has 16gb of DDR5. DDR5 is twice as fast as DDR4 and increases frame rate on PC. So new I5 PCs are better than PS5. Alliexpress has RTX 4070 for $260 new. That is $560 for a new PC that blows PS5 away, and it is cheaper. PS5 can't display max graphics settings or resolution. Backrooms Horror is made with Unreal 5.5 and looks like crap on PS5. GTA5 also looks bad on PS5 compaired to PC. Alan Wake 2 is 1080p on PC and 864p on PS5. So PS5 will never have the resolution or graphics a new PC has. Why are PS5 owners upscaling games when they are lpwer resolution than PC? It don't make since super imposing a bad image.
@@sleepwalker29 yes ram... and that is for other programs ddr4 is not gddr6... however pro has16gb of gddr6... dedicated to gaming and visual experience.. vram and ram are 2 different things.. so you need a gpu with 16gb gddr6... what does that cost?
@@denhawken I never said GDDR was DDR. However faster RAM increases frame rate on all computers. So DDR5 PC with a $300 16gb GDDR6 GPU out performs PS5 PRO and its 512mb of DDR4. I guess you don't realize PS5 has low frame rate like a $100 gaming PC hitting 40fps with low settings.
33tflps is equivalent to 3090ti considering consoles optimisations for gaming! So its not gonna be mid range it will be easy 4k 120fps all games. Here is your professional 1 sentence answer!
Useless comparison since consoles are locked down, most ps5 games can't go over 60fps. And many games on ps5 pro will still be 900p 30 fps because no patch.
Exactly this. Having all your favorite older games still be stuck to PS4 and PS5 settings suckssss. 1080p30fps/60fps is awful when your console is capable of much more.
the ps5 pro is less than 250 watt for the whole system and wa all know how power hungry rdna 3 is ,💀,the F you are on about , it's 250 watts for the cpu, ram and gpu .....so 140watts goes to the igpu at best , with a memory pool of 13gb for both cpu and gpu , let's say 10gb for the gpu and 3 gb for the cpu to be generous , the 7800xt alone is 250 watts and it has 16gb of dedicated vram , ps5pro's gpu will be between an rtx 4060 ti and rx 7700xt in raster on average and match the 4060 ti in raytracing , to me 2 to 4 times the rt performance of the ps5 isn't much , after all 2 to4 x small rt perf can't amount to something glorious either ,
You know the GPU can have access up to 13.7 gb for games. So don’t know where you came up with 10 lol. Keep trolling and just know the pro will perform better than majority of mid to high end PCs in real world environments
@@jeofthevirtuoussand it’s 13.7 and the majority of that is for games less CPU so realistically it can use all 13.7 just for graphics and CPU can use whatever is being used by OS. You probably need to actually do research before you talk
Used? Are you kidding me? If it fails in less than a year then what? People are going to be spending their hard-earned money and you're suggesting them to blow it on 2nd hand parts?
Not everyone wants to build it...not everyone wants windows. Some want plug and play. Easy. Living room fun, family fun. A PC is solo gameplay unless it's online. Both have their pros and cons. Used is a joke though. Sure, garbage from Craigslist... way cheaper.. buy a used pro in a year. Or a used ps5
@@Jaykurosakii PS5 Pro is better, much more bang for your buck and you can sit in the living room and play it like a normal human being, not hunched over some desk at your mom's
@@Chicken_Lovin_Brotha keep playing your weak console on that slow a** tv. I watch 4k hdr movies and shows on a big TV, not game on it. If I wanted to hook up my pc to a TV, I could easily do that.
@@Jaykurosakii $2000 gaming pc is nowhere near to PS5 Pro. It doesn’t matter how you speck it. You still won’t be able to play games on a maximum settings without stuttering.
Yeah they are trying to compare a GPU from a Pc to a custom APU in a console when really there isn’t one. It will perform better than most mid to high end PCs in games and that is proven
Yes, the PS5 has the same GPU as the RX 6700 10GB but in actuality, performance is lower. The RX 6700 is actually a decent chip with 10GB that sips power.
Not fully agreed on the shared memory bandwith topic I own a 6700 10Gb and even with less GPU bandwith than a PS5 (320Gb/s vs 448GB/s), performance is -5% in worst case, like in AW2 But most of time the faster GPU clock of the 6700 outperform the PS5, especially in 1080p scenarios
I think it boils down to cache and other little things that get cut out of the custom chips for cost reasons, with the cpu we have across a shared bus would gpu exclusive cache benefit it? For console probably not because the devs use compression exclusive to the platform and instruction set, we've seen cache play a huge role with x3d and sometimes the larger cache on AMD cards pays off in games prone to judder and stutter compared to competitors, would be the first thing I expect to get cut on a consoles chip because it's specs inefficient.
The rx 6800 for sure as the original ps5 was a 6650 xt that means the specs of the ps5 pro are very identical to the rx 6800 so basically it'll be a 1440p monster
PC also has significantly worse online experiences, something which every PC first channel conveniently never talks about. Cheating is a 100* worse on PC, because by volume it's more frequent, it's easier to do & there's more ways to do it. Every time I play console I'm reminded of what a mostly cheat free environment is & quite frankly paying a measly $60-100 a year for the online maintenance is worth it to keep the homebrew scum at bay. When you buy PC you spend far more money to get advantages which are heavy in diminishing returns (graphical fidelity) that use more power, require more knowledge and effort to maintain and constantly setup/benchmark every game & you are accepting that you'll spend all that money for a worse online experience.
horizon forbidden west at TRUE 4K at 120 fps locked ( dlss frame gen ) looks and plays ecstatic on RTX 4080 on my LG C2 OLED TV ( cant have that on console )
@@dheerajandani921 Horizon FW looks incredible on consoles on OLED as well. Same with Cyberpunk 2077... A game that looks amazing on consoles & even better on PC, but at what cost? Graphical fidelity has huge diminishing returns, & I'm sorry but spending £3-4K on a top end PC simply isn't worth the difference you get over console in most cases. & That's only worsened when you factor in how garbage every PC game is online due to cheaters, by volume & by variation.
@@WildfireX you arent wrong about cheating online but for single player games . . . see my PC costed 1800 dollars ( not including controllers ) not 3K - 4K and its not just about graphical fidelity but framerate , smooth framerates on VRR screen is bliss ! And consoles wont even give me an option of 120 fps on 95% games and Games are also very cheap on STEAM sales which I get to keep for as long as STEAM is alive and not buy remasters at every generation and although expensive this PC is still twice as fast as upcoming PS5 pro so longevity is also more ( ignoring bad PC ports like JEDI survivors those are really disappointing ) FYI SWITCH EMULATION is pretty wild on PC , just completed MARIO ODYSSEY again on 4K 120 fps using ' Lossless Scaling ' AI Frame Generation as its locked at 60 fps via its engine ( see too much flexibility )
@@dheerajandani921 I disagree with the whole "games are very cheap on steam" thing because it's fundamentally not true. Games are priced within 5% of each other across most platforms at launch, the only difference in prices comes later on in how frequent sales are. The price for most games right now is identical or within a small margin, I believe steam offers sales more frequently but acting like they're "much cheaper" simply isn't true. I also said £3K - £4k, notice the £ sign... The US generally have the cheapest price on electronics, but in case you haven't realised, Europe get absolutely shafted. And just to counter the whole "only $1800" comment... That's 4* the price of a PS5 which will at most games at 60fps without RT & that's at 4K because it's mostly aimed at TV users. For $1800 I can get a PS5, 4 years of PS+ premium which gives me access to brand new game trials + 1000s of games, and a top end monitor or TV to go with it & still have money left over. I get 75% of the way there in graphical fidelity, for a quarter of the cost because that's another thing you don't bring up... Garbage pc optimisation. You often end up needing components that are far superior to consoles, just to get as stable an experience because of how awful pc optimisation is. The whole point of pc gaming is to go for the very best on graphical fidelity, otherwise if you're not going for that, then it's not worth the extra required knowledge, + the worse online experience , + bad optimisation, + higher power draw. Also consoles have VRR, not sure why you act like they don't lol. The whole emulation side of things is a tough argument, because I fundamentally think that it's wrong & basically piracy, but idk, whatever makes people happy I guess. Id never compare the ps5 pro to a top end PC & say it's faster. I've never made the argument that consoles are faster than PC. My argument has always been this, consoles are the better option for most people. PC is for people that want to mod every game, or chase the absolute best performance at any cost. If you're not chasing performance & not modding, then you might as well buy a console & be happy with being 75% the way there. Consoles provide an easy, low maintenance system that gives you good - great graphics (Nobody can tell me that Horizon FW & Demons Souls on console aren't great looking) & also provides users with the best online experience because even though PC players hate the idea of "paid online" the fact is that paid online keeps the homebrew system scumbags, modders, & hackers out of our online games. Consoles pretty much only have to worry about hardware cheaters in FPS & fighting games
@@WildfireX FYI I am from India but 1800 $ was converted from rupees and also it wasn't expensive bcoz I also bought my GPU also on sale 😂 otherwise pc would have costed around 2K but still your 1800 dollar argument of 4 years PS premium, PS5 , many games and still left over money. . . IT PAINS MY HEART 🫠 But since I love flexibility and Emulation and I only buy games on sales (And I have a Nintendo switch oled and a Steamdeck Oled and have many games on Switch so I am allowed to pirate the Iso file which I have already bought once 🫠) but playing switch games on PC is like it's not same game anymore but for someone not so invested in PC already Consoles are nice balance with Price and Performance and tha rising PC prices are not worth the squeeze if you are just only going to play games on it I myself had a PS2 and PS3 but since PS4 era I am a Throughout PC Gamer ( using Xbox controller ) FYI all this Price Hike in GPUs is thanks to NVIDIA like RTX 5090 is expected to cost 2500 $ before taxes . . . WTF 🤣
and it was a 5700xt 2070 super equivalent for the non pro. 3070 was better then a 2080ti. horrible facts in this video. not usual for these guys. sony fanboying a bit?
@Thehippiehobbitgrows Steve doesn't do consoles, and Tim, well he's just winging it from specs. Less fanboying and more just not giving a flip, but yes way off.
Why would you advocate staying with or purchasing a PC rather than this new PS5 Pro. You ought to do some maths and put together a PC with a comparable 7800XT gpu plus everything else that goes into building a new computer. I have no doubt that a complete new system would cost at least $AUD2,000. For someone like me that works and entertains himself with a laptop purchasing a new PS5 Pro would be perfect. It is powerful and complete only requiring a monitor and downloaded games. It will have the latest bells and whistles a gamer would need. Don't you believe that Nvidia has enough of the publics' money.
You are much better off with a PC than a PS5 Pro. When you factor in the vertical stand, the disc drive, PlayStation Plus subscription, and a couple of games, it all starts to add up to money that could have been invested in a gaming PC build. Everyone knows that the PC gaming ecosystem is superior to that of a console nowadays, especially when you consider that the limited-time console exclusives always get a PC port and are often cheaper if you wait for a sale. Console gaming is just not worth it these days.
Sony is worse than Nvidia in every way. 70 for a game, 60 for controller, 700 for console, 30 for a stand, 100 for a disc drive which should be included, 20 a month just to use the thing, its a joke, PC is better in every way.
Well as always, it depends You have a physical collection of PS games. Well add the disc and stand Its just under $900 usd for the system You playing paid online games thats $80 per year for 4 years. It costs you just under $1200 to own a PS5 Pro Now do you want to play Xbox titles that may or may not come to PS, well thats another $550 before any online costs Wow we looking at a $2000 USD system to match your 2000 AUD PC But wait, you cant play PC titles on PS and since 2020 have you played on a current gen console online fee add another $250 USD 2000 aud PC Vs 3000 aud console setup to play games "worse"
We already know it's around the level of an RTX 4060 Ti. It's under the RX 7700 XT in terms of raster, but it's a bit ahead with ray tracing and upscaling tech. The RTX 4060 Ti is the one it's most similar to in terms of performance, but on AMD I'd say the 7700XT is the best match, even though it's not a good match. It's not anywhere near an RX 7800 XT, 7900 GRE, or 6800 XT. Those GPUs are at a tier above the level of the PS5 Pro. Even with the best optimizations, it's not going to suddenly go up a tier in performance.
Yeah let me know when a console can mine bitcoins better then a 4090 or handle content creation for music , video editing , work flow , meeting calls , game at 4k over 60 fps stream on any platform , control satellites and any insanely sensitive systems . Quantum computing . Let me know a console is as powerful as a computer that can be BUILT TO DO any of THESE THINGS . please bec last I checked a computer isn’t just for gaming but it just so happens it can do that better then any console ever made . It’s just a by product of what it can do not its sole purpose and doing it at a mediocre rate like a console. This debate of a console being as powerful as a pc is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard .
UA-camrs Trying To Make Computer With Same Performance as PS5 Pro Yet We All Know Its A Lie Card That They Saying Cant Do 4k Quality Raytrace 60 Fps This is Why I Dont Believe on Tech UA-camrs Saying That They Have a Card With Same Power As PS5 Pro They All Know 1k $$ Under PC Cant Play 4k Thats 1080p Raytrace PC 1440p Raytrace Low Mid Setting You Need 1.5k +++ $$ to Get 1440p Raytrace High Setting or More Youbers Lie To Much To Get Views
You can get a 4070 for $499 and overkill the ps5 pro CPU/Ram with something like a 12700k+DDR5 for well under $1000 usd. And you would never be CPU bottlenecked when the Pro is. Or you could *easily* get a cheaper “console” tier CPU/mobo/ram and your system cost would probably be $700-800. And you aren’t constrained to the Remake machine ecosystem with subscriptions.
@@NineS5 im a PC guy and op is wrong, however the 6700xt will be objectively slower than a ps5 pro, absolutely without question needs upscaling to “game in 4k” and definitely FSR gets wrecked by any AI upscaling. But like you said, you could get a 6700Xt and decently balanced cpu etc. for way less than $1000.
@@delacroixii Exactly,the console gremlins kill me I cringe Everytime I see 7900 gre or 4070 as a comparison. I also like the " some say" who the fuck is some 😂
@@sixsixten The settings that console uses for 4K are medium(sometimes less). The 4070 can do high. And the 3060 is better than base PS5 due to the console's lack of super-sampling. A 4060 TI 8GB can match the quality settings on TLOU remake at 4K. I couldn't believe that GeForce Experience suggested that I run the game in 4K but it ran with decent lows and looked great at medium settings. My only comparison was TLOU2 because I don't have Part 1R on PS5 but the 4060 TI won.
@@sgxsaint3130 3060ti is almost the same as 2080ti. Let me ask you, does 4060ti almost the same as 3080ti? Let alone 4070 which should be as good as 3090. (Pstt... 4060ti has the same performance as 3060ti).
@@sixsixten I dont get your point. We're talking about two different products within the same generation. Now you're talking about different products within different generations. Different generations will have different amounts of gaps in performance. While the 30 to 40 series may seem small the 40 series cards literally can take half of the required power to output more fps than its predecessors. (Except the 4060, we all know theyre not anything special) To answer your question, no considering the 3080ti is ~10% faster than a 4070. The 4070 is already faster than the 4060ti by 30% and when comparing it to the 3080ti then it would be around 40-45% slower already. Also you're crazy to think the 4070 is as fast as a 3090 lmao, it only beats out the 3080 by a few points but decimates it when compared to its power efficiency.
Nah, the Ps5 is equivalent to a 2070/s and a ps5 pro is supposedly better than a 4070 in terms of tflops. Though these dont matter cus you can only play at 60 fps max lol
@@christohees9150 I mean if you knew how to read or at least knew how to Google then you wouldve saw that the Ps5 Pro was equivalent to a 7800xt but it doesnt mean it will perform as good as it. Just saying 🤷♂️
@@xpodx yes but also controller support is ass on windows plus discord and other applications like that, pc is primarily meant to be used with keyboard, mouse and a monitor, consoles are meant to be used for a TV and a controller
The current PS5 performs like an RX 6700. So an Arc A770 isn't even as fast as regular PS5. Tim seems hit nail on the head. It's probably somewhere around 7900GRE.
@@basshead. I have a A770 16GB in my secondary system. I had spare parts and decided get a A770 over year ago just to see how well it performs. Performance boosts from drivers have minimal at this point. The performance of the card may hit 6700 levels in a few games but it's basically a RX6650 with superior raytracing, upscaling, and memory bandwidth. The only real issue I have from driver standpoint is Arc Control is still busted. It almost never finds any drive updates and i have to manual update the drivers myself. If you are welling to make compromises in the settings it's decent 1440p card. It's been interesting seeing how XESS has progressed. It's not DLSS level but it's a quality upscaler.
I been PC gamer 30 years but I have a PS5 on pre-order because it will be easier for my grandson and me to game together on the couch.
This is the way.
But a wireless controller and a tc boom done
@@whitecometify tc?
I have one because we like to play as a family and my wife plays and my kids and their friends. A console is more social than a PC. Real life social, not on voice chat like all PC friends....
Enjoy your plastic box.
"up to" 45% better than rx 6700 = rx 6800/ rx 7700 xt territory in raster, with better upscaling / raytracing
well, you are describing the 4070 at this point😂
ps 5 is closer to 6600xt , since it clocks slower then a 6700 .
@@shavy9655 I mean its still based on Radeon technology so comparing it with a RX7700XT still makes more sense imo
@@shavy9655 Yes, very similar in raster performance but Nvidia doesn't make console GPUs.
@@mastracu66207 yes it's just because the 4070 is a little bit faster RX 7700xt with better Raytraycing and better upscaling. So measured in real world performance: The 4070 might be as close to the PS5 pro as it gets. Not architecture-wise thats for sure.
you would think gaming laptops dont exist..consoles are more comparable in hardware and power efficiency to laptops. which also aren't upgradable. but then the cost narrative goes out the window.
They're not comparable because of cost
I have a 4080 laptop that cost me £3000.
Meanwhile I play my PS5 99% of the time because:
- it's quieter
- everything just works immediately
- online is way better with far less cheats, there's no debate that pc is a significantly worse online experience.
@@WildfireX Why did you buy a 4080 laptop out of interest? I always wonder why, because the pixel density of 1080p on a laptop screen is better than 4k on a 43 inch screen, so you only really need 4060 level performance to do 1080p.
@@bogstandardash3751 because I previously had an MSI gt72s for 7 years before it with a measly 980m card inside it. I figured if I was going to buy a laptop that I hope to last me another 5-7 years & perform well the whole time, then I'll spend more this time than I did last time (because I work now, as opposed to being a student last time).
The CPU was actually what I wanted first, so I wanted a 24 core cpu to give me as much overhead as possible for a range of tasks, then I figured "why not spend a bit extra to get a 4080 as well"
I also needed a numpad which eliminated a bunch of laptops & i wanted to avoid the 4090 because they were £4000 instead of 3.
After that I ended up buying an LG 1440p 240hz OLED 27" monitor that I could use for both my laptop and PS5 (I play at a desk anyway,not a couch player)
So yeah, I happily play at 1440p & switching to OLED was the best decision I made. Hitting 240fps on most games is basically not happening on either of my devices, but I like to have the overheard in case anything changes (already had the motherboard swapped because of a gpu failure in the first year!)
I've also moved country twice & will again, hence choosing a laptop over a desktop
A laptop comes with a screen and is designed to be easily moved and power efficient. What would be the point of comparing them ? A desktop on the other hand doesn't comes with a screen, isn't portable and doesn't have to run on battery.
Great video. It's no problem to test PC hardware with benchmarks, but how to really test the PS5 Pro when it's released in November ?
Any GPU is better than what’s included in the PS5 Pro because it can be installed in a system that has a disc drive. A disc drive should be a non-negotiable for a console of that price or “tier”. Not including one in a budget focused Series S or Digital PS5 is fair enough and pro-consumer in comparison to releasing a flagship tier console and not including the disc drive. Disgusting tactics on display by Sony.
95% of PCs ive seen in the last 8 years dont have a disc drive. A GPU has to be installed, the pro comes built... 80% of all ps5 games sold were digital last year. I mean, you dont have to buy one but lots of people do and will. a disc drive can be added to a pro IF NEEDED.
I agree with the comment above. The OP is off his rocker. On a leveled playing field, you're dealing with a PS5 Pro tailored specifically for gaming vs a laptop of equivalent specs. The disc drive doesn't matter because PC has done away with disc drives and most games sold on PS5 has been sold digitally.
@@indiscretion. Off my rocker? Lmao. That's pretty baseless. Most people I know that use PC still use a disc drive. I'm happy to concede that disc drives for PCs have been phased out somewhat regarding contemporary Gaming PCs (chassis not having the appropriate bays, etc.) However, when you take into consideration the sheer number of prebuilts that are still sold every year (and these make up the vast majority of PC sales), that still contain a disc drive then it thwarts your argument. Are Why be complicit in these anti-consumer behaviours? That's what I'd like to know. Why knowingly participate in actions that have a net negative effect on the consumer?
Question for the room: how are people expecting the ps5 pro to deliver performance on par with GPUs that consume more power than the entire console combined?
Trye
Console owners copium 😅
Efficency
@@timmynothumbnoob6507 no amount of efficiency is going to enable a less than 250 watt system to outperform a system with a modern GPU from the last few years that uses 300+ watts.
@@timmynothumbnoob6507 do you realise that the same company (AMD) that makes desktop CPU and GPU makes the CPU and GPU for the PS5? From where will they bring more efficient chips, from alien technology?
7700xt with better upscaling.
You can't understate the benefit of good upscaling. In many scenarios I would prefer dlss balanced over fsr quality and you'd be getting better performance also. Could be as much as a 20% perceived performance uplift with a really good implementation. So a 4070 with slightly worse raster performance. A $500-550 GPU. In a complete $800 system. Not horrible if you only game. PC still wins overall because of the endless uses of a PC adds so much value to a $900 - 1000 build that would be equivalent performance. Apples to Oranges really.
7800xt at 2.2ghz ps5pro mhz is only 8%on avg slower than a regular 7800xt at 2.5ghz and a normal 7800xt is from 5-15%faster than 4070rtx so ps5pro same lvls 4070rtx and not 7700xt specially on high resolution where u need fast memory 7700xt is 192bit card
@@valonfazlija889 It is not high res, they are using PSSR on PS5 Pro in all games, meaning internal res is much lower, probably 1080p since it scales easily to 4K/UHD.
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@@christophermullins7163you can match the pro in terms of equivalence with a 1000$ build you’ll need another 500$ more at least.
They said it will be 45% faster. PS5 has RX 6700 level performance and 45% faster than RX 6700 is RX 6800 so PS5 Pro will have the equivalent of RX 6800 performance. RX 7800 XT too much.
Nope 7800XT/4070S performance depends on game could
Be a little better or slightly worse and that is being shown
@@Patrick-tw7nr Source?
@@Ignisan_66 every outlet that has been talking about it
@@Patrick-tw7nr Well don't know what the sources are for those outlets but Mark Cerny the chief engineer of PlayStation said it will be 45% faster and that makes it RX 6800 equivalent. RX 7800 XT is BS.
@@Ignisan_66 45 percent is average but based on developers it is closer to 55-80
Percent better
Personally I felt that the PS5 on its own was a decent console, if they wanted a mid-generation refresh, the asking price is a little high.
When it comes to what a console can do, it's limited by the service provided, supported games and what not. PC is not limited in that aspect, with a large variety of available services to play games from, better deals on games during sales and you don't have to pay for subscription to play online. Sure, the initial asking price for PC is higher for similar specs and it does have a learning curve in certain aspects. Consoles are plug and play, but the current generation doesn't really have as many games that you couldn't already get on PS4 or Xbox One due to cross gen. Hooray, another Last of Us re-release... Hooray a remake of Until Dawn which is overall worse due to changes that hurt the tension...
Let's not forget that there's one thing consoles can't do without modifications that could void use if not officially supported: Emulation. That might be a bit niche (ignoring the legal side of things) but I'm sure it's not uncommon to find a subset of gamers who favour retro games and there's not really any service that provides a clear answer to that especially with obscure titles.
Anywhere from the 7700 xt to the 7900 gre.
7900 GRE is 2x the performance of the PS5
*Base PS5, not Pro, sorry lol
Pro GPU should be on par with a 7700xt/rx6800 if it’s ~40% stronger, but “should” also have superior RT performance to those cards
@@TJones4L The 7900 GRE is roughly 2x faster than the base PS5 not the Pro
R5 3600 and 7900gre are not even close to 5700x3D or 7600x and the 7900gre.
@@TJones4L The 7900 XTX is close to 2x the performance of the Pro.
@@Tech-is1xy yeah that’s what I meant, my apologies
I enjoy trying to match/surpass consoles such as the PS5 Pro in a SFF type build. In my experience, that is where consoles shine, is in the power relative to the size of the case, using only air cooling. Its obviously very easy to obliterate a console if I'm able to use even an mATX case, but SFF/MITX with just air cooling is where it gets a bit trickier. Anyways, great discussion.
You have any links or pics to your work? Like PCPARTPICKER....
Yea it really comes down to the psu and gpu plastic both taking so much space rather than having the chip be on the mobo, you can make a pc with cpu, ram, ssd, cooler, all on the mobo but those 2 just take so much area if we shrunk those down home pcs would be tiny gpus use to be that tiny in the slot as well
Is this a 4k comparison. I run my 7800xt at 1440p and it’s great
@theotherLewbowski how big is your screen?. Using a 98 inch in my living room myself and kicked back on a couch
Look at for example Ratchet & Clank on PS5 Pro (videos are out now), using higher levels of RT and PSSR upscaling. Will any RDNA3 GPU really render something comparable to that? If this is a question of what to buy to play with at least PS5 Pro levels of settings, than I would just wait for RDNA4.
@@ZeroZingo I would say native rendering is better then any upscaling solution so the 7900gre does do a better job then the ps5 pro, although throw raytracing into the mix and the ps5 pro is really capable and the RDNA 3 GPUs do fall short
My 7900 XTX destroys the PS5 Pro in Ratchet & Clank.
@@rkeith7766 while being the same price as the whole damn console
New motherboards coming out at $1400. 5090 probably around $2k. Puny cut down 5080 at $1200. PS5 Pro looking better in comparison now.
Who needs to buy the highest end overclocking enthusiast grade mobos or a 5090 to deal with the pro? You console fanboys love spreading misleading information
@@BiscuitMan2005 even a poo mobo is a few hundred bucks, any decent gpu is over 1k, havent even come to the CPU yet another 500. Sure a PC can be better, but at a steep cost and you have to build it and tinker with drivers and windows updates. A pro is good for plug and play, also families and multiplayer in the same house, kids with friends over, family game night. that stuff is harder on a pc. PC master race is getting old, ive heard that for over 20 years...
@@RobertBolzicco another braindead console fanboy take. No you don't need to spend a few hundred on a decent mobo $150 will do you just fine. And lmao at $500, you don't need the newest i9 or a 7800x3d either. Obviously a competing pc will cost more than the pro but you console fanboys need to stop pushing your lame disingenuous narratives about pc
@@BiscuitMan2005 I have a PC tard. My cheapo mobo was 200+ my CPU wasnt top of the line and was still 400+ new. I know the cost to game on a PC, I know the console life too, not my first rodeo there bud. Hogwarts on my pc needed 32GB ram, had to upgrade from 16 because it was laggy. just one example of constant upgrades needed for games. look at flight sim, 64GB is needed.
@@RobertBolzicco you overspending has nothing to do with what the average pc gamer's needs to deal with the pro. and you making silly comments like a decent gpu being 1k+ is making you sound ignorant. also using isolated edge cases like msfs is pointless (especially when 32gb could get you by with some level multitasking without lagging). there are plenty of builds, while not cheaper than the pro, that will clear it without the unnecessary spending fanboys spread out on the internet
PS5 Pro = 7700XT at most. Why? Because PS5 Pro consumes 200-225 watts for the entire system. Obviously it don't deliver anything high-end with this wattage, however, good for a console and PSSR is almost on DLSS level, so it will do wonders. Does not change the fact that GPU wise, it is around 7700XT level.
PC can run games at native 4K console can't even try.
Steve: That is a console, am I right?
Tim: I believe, yes 😂
Some people like to play on console, others on pc.
If there should be a comparison, this is a gaming device comparison, a similar priced pc could never be built at the same price and after 7-8 years, won't perform at same level as the console.
For webbrowsing a cheap laptop does well. A 400 $ pc bought in 2013 (ps4 launch) is now only good for webbrowsing.
Remember when the PS4 was the best way to play PS4 games.
Remember when the PS4 Pro was the best way to play PS4 games.
Remember when the PS5 was the best way to play PS4 games.
Remember when the PS5 Pro was the best way to play PS4 games.
Remember when the PS6...
Was the best way to play ps4 games.
@@SansAppellation Head Trauma?
@@bdizzle9586 no hes pointing out that thers still tons of ps4 games being ''remastered'' n shit rather than new games coming on NEW consoles.
@@Reaper9-4 Ok Bub
playstation is the best way to play games. no $2000 GPU, 4k set up, no windows crashes, BSOD, updates, drivers, bios, none of that. Just plug and play. Simple for 90% of people. Others dont mind building a system and tinkering with it, also fine.
I was a die hard consol player. When i started looking into the fact that games were generally more expensive on console. Had to pay yearly for live/plus. And the fact that i couldnt upgrade the consol and reuse parts and had to buy a new one. Over the course of 10 years there is ZERO price difference and I generally get better performance and more tweaks to get higher fps on pc
GTA6 will launch on consoles for at least 1 year before it launches into PCs. AAA games will always launch 1st into consoles bc it’s way easier to do so…
@@tringuyen7519 Not as common these days. I'm not sure why Rockstar is doing that, to be honest. Look at the new Silent Hill remake, PS5 and PC same day. Just playing it.
@tringuyen7519 Not particularly easier, just more profitable, since Sony pays for those exclusives.
@@tringuyen7519Most triple A games are broken messes that PC gamers have to mod the bugs out of. Modern gaming is a mess.
@@tringuyen7519 and?
How does the 7700S compare?
Got yet another windows 11 blue screen of death on my ryzen 7735HS system today. Rebuilding windows is becoming a monthly chore. Most of my best games are retro anyway, so consoles are fine. No poorly optimized ports, melty connectors, deep fried intel chips or overpriced GPUs
Honestly, 7700 XT with better upscaling until FSR 4 comes along sounds about right. Yeah, better memory bandwidth, but it'll also run at lower clocks than say an RX 7800 XT and it'll be enslaved to a semi-ancient CPU architecture, so it's NOT gonna outperform an RX 7800 XT.
Great, another thing on list I cannot afford. 😂
It does look promising going by DF videos.❤
Console may give some competition to nvidia at least, think of the people who maybe get a PS5 Pro instead of 4070 or 4060.
Maybe we finally see some price stalemate in mid tier cards from 5000 series.
Especially as 4070 and 4080 sold pretty badly in Europe.
4070 was down by 100€ on msrp a month after release (bought one for my sister).
That’s why we got 15-20% faster 4070 Super and that too sold 100€ below msrp a month after (bought one).
4080 sold for 200€ below msrp and was toned of them in open box in Germany, Poland and Norway.
That’s why 4080 Super was 999€.
But the most competition that we need is mid range, to push bottom line down and get trickle down value going again.
Unfortunately, it seems the effect of Nvidia's pricing wasn't limited to the GPU market. Clearly Sony saw this and thought, "I want some of that".
Console gaming has always competed at the entry to low-mid range, but it didn't use to cost ¥120,000😮
I think my 6700xt would hold up with a pro.
probably, add the fsr 3 and frame gen and youre good to go. The pro is using those to help boost frames. Some games will be better native and some better with all the "fake frames" My pro arrived today, cant wait to boot it up. RX 8000 in the new year, good times.
Not with PSSR. Its damn good (7900xt owner here).
@@mikem2253 you were right, saw linus do a ps5 pro killer vid where he compared it with 7800xt and the ps5 pro won by a tad bit
I do love a little trash talk at those consolers' expense. It is however sad to see how expensive they are becoming. Their games were supposed to make up for that, what with being almost opposite to PC, where the hardware is more pricey, but the game and various markets are more cost effective. Looks like the console is headed the way of the Dodo, with the other big player; Microsoft looking to just be software game publisher alongside its other brands like Windows, Server, Office, etc. Monopolies aren't great.
The ps5 and the switch are selling like hot cakes. Consoles aren’t going anywhere yet
What's the closes functional equivalent cpu/gpu combo?
R5 5600 + RX 7800 XT
Steve pretending that it doesnt KILL him that Tim is doing all the talking.
Game optimization is also a damn sight easier, you might have mentioned that later in the clip but it's about consoles so I nodded off.
You're also not paying for a subscription service on PC like you would with PS Plus, provided you play multiplayer games. That's like what, 80$ a year for the base version? So that's an additional 320$ over the course of 4 years in subscription fees, which would line up with a 1K$ PC.
you get 3 free games a month with that. thats saving 180/month. thats a $1500 value a year. Now they owe you money... after 4 years that PC has been upgraded a few times.
Perfect gpu would be a 7700xt or 7800xt with dlss and dlaa features rather then crappy fake frames.
taking the 7700 xt to compare it to the ps5 pro is like taking a 4070, removing the tensor cores and saying it have the same performance of the 4070. Do you consider yourself a hardware fan?
7800XT likely to beat it, maybe 7700XT matches or 6800, really think this will be answered on release.
It's a higher mid end card in reality, and that's all it will ever be, at the very best, in a console.
I am shocked you didn't look into it little more first though.
It's GPU has rDNA 4 features, but probably will still be rDNA 3 at heart.
Sony like to employ custom GPU so they can get specific features that they believe will be very useful to have, whilst keeping costs down.
It will also slightly punch above it's weight, and won't be reliant on FSR (praise the lord).
Anyone expecting ridiculous high end GPU performance in terms of rasterisation or otherwise, will be disappointed.
Will it provide a very passable 4k image from where you sit on your sofa at 60fps in many games, absolutely.
I often feel that many pc gamers kinda miss this part of equation.
Sitting on my sofa from 12 feet away on a relatively modest 55" TV, I don't necessarily need as pristine an image as I used to need when I was a pc gamer and less than 1 ft away from a monitor.
Shoot less than 1 ft away are you blind or something Jesus Christ 😂
The GPU in the PS5 Pro has RDNA3 rasterization and RDNA4 ray tracing tech.
It's mix between RDNA 3 and 4.
And as you said it will be quite good for 4K game content on your TV. Is not just the distance here because when it outputs 4K, no matter how close you sit on your 4K TV it will still look great.
The distance only helps when it outputs lower resolution and the distance makes up for the less sharp image that you will detect much easier sitting right in from of it.
The issue is more the fps since PC gamers go for high fps and play games with 90 and 120 and 160 etc fps but they also have high refresh monitors that can keep up with such high frames.
TV's don't have such high refresh rates. Most of them are just 60HZ and the best of them don't go above 120hz while PC monitors even go up to 500hz.
So more than likely 95% of people have 60Hz TV's therefore the 60fps in 4K of a console like the Pro are more than good enough.
12 feet away is pretty far for 55" TV. I sit around 8 feet away.
RX6800 ps5 gpu. However, likely 7800xt for pc once the arcitectural differences take a greater effect
rx6700 is the ps5 gpu
so what now? how does it compare with the official 16.7 Teraflops instead 33 Teraflops? thats like 6.5 tflops more then the assumed 23 tflops more. does this mean we have a 15% improvement instead of 45%? which card compares? 6700xt?
From digital foundrys vid, ps5 pro is 3060ti-3070 level performance 😂
I called it already that it'll be a 6750XT or 3070ti performance. The actual bottleneck is the super nerfed, under clock 3700X at 3.5ghz. You can see the FPS increase when you turn on boost mode that clocks in at 3.8ghz. The chip wouldn't have been a problem feeding the GPU with a 4.4ghz boost like what you should get on a desktop.
@@那人冷靜一點 How tho it's close to 4070 super right
@@adriadri3624 no it is not. A 3070 is 60% behind a 4070s
@@那人冷靜一點 thats crazy :D
Just bought first PC last year. 4080. Coming from an SX and PS5, with pro on order. Best thing about SX.. absolutely nothing. It’s a waste of a purchase if you have a PC. The PS5 pro I ordered because Sony games are amazing and PC still doesn’t have day 1 releases of PS5 games. The other great thing about console tho is after you install the game no internet required where pc I can’t play games like rdr2 without internet, that’s my only negative with PC is constant connect to verify. Other than that 4k max settings at 100+ fps on ghost recon wild lands ❤. I thought the SX looked good, oh my god it’s on another level on PC.
but digital foundery did say it is not a 4070 gpu at least as some console fanboys keeps saying it is a 4070 or a 4080 and or a 4090 witch it is not
4080 and 4090 thing was a joke, infact it was done my pc master race people who were trying to make fun of the console fanboys that were comparing it with rtx 4070. but i say its fair for them (console fanboys) to say that it competes with a 4070, no its not a 4070 and loses to it but not at the level these guys in the comments describe it, some of these people genuinely think their museum piece of a pc is "superior" to the ps5 pro when its not. and its not ego these guys genuinely think this way which baffles me. linus compared it with an rx 7800xt and it still won by a tad bit, i see another guy in the comments who has both a ps5 pro and the 7900 gre and said its performance lies between a 7700xt and a 7900 gre. its not a 4070 but it is competing atleast in the gaming aspect.
It'll be an 8700xt with a zen2 cpu. Higher graphics, cpu limited.
Yeah can't believe more people aren't talking about the fact they're still using zen 2 lol
Aiming at 4k its probably enough CPU power
@@Greenalex89 CPU performance still matters even at 4k. And besides many people will still be on 1080p
@@justmatt2655 Is not as much of an issue as you people think. Sony said they made their calculations and they concluded that even in the occasion the CPU and GPU needs to be pushed to it's limits the bottleneck the CPU could cause is no more than 3-4 frames.
And is not that strange if you think about since 1080p isn't that demanding and yet it needs more CPU than 4K does that stresses the GPU more. On top of that the CPU in the console doesn't run all that background stuff it does on PC and therefore works with like 10-15% more efficiency and not to mention custom chips that take away the load of the CPU that a console like the PS5 has.
PS5 has custom hardware for compression and decompression and PSSR has it's own hardware, and an extra processor for handling sounds and connectivity stuff etc and it is in APU form directly communicating with the GPU and uses GDDR6 unified very fast memory instead of sending data to something like DDR memory modules etc .
You may say it's just a Zen 2 CPU but all the extra slim lining and tech inside a specialized gaming device like a console makes up a lot of the difference between a Zen 2 and a Zen 4 etc.
A nice one!
I'm upgrading and buying the RX 7900xt $649 at Walmart 😂
I just upgraded to one as well from a 4060 to . I’m just done playing with these console fools.
@@brichardson342 looks like you're still playing with the consoles because it's cross play
@@airzeroHD i turn crossplay off in competitive fighting games. everything else dont matter
@@brichardson342 yeah them console players are better... i understand!
@@denhawken most console players are broke ass kids, and you say they're better?
7800XT/4070S
Console peasants talking nonsense😂 ps5pro can't even beat a 6800😂😂😂
@ one game that isn’t even patched to run with PS5 pro hardware and that is what you want to run with? Go home and try again. You will bow down to the almighty PRO!
im thinking 7900 gre
The PS5 Pro is a custom die. 60 CU Navi 32 at heart, but 4 active MCDs, and RDNA 4 improvements similar to Navi 48. The PS5 Pro is not RDNA 3.5, that's the iGPU graphics architecture for mobile and 9000 series. It's a 3700X with RTX 4070 performance, no 7800 XT, no Zen 3 / 4 compute.
The ps5 pros gpu has a mix of rdna 3 and 4 that’s why they say rdna 3.5 so yes they’re right about that and none of the gpus mentioned in this video have rdna 4.
@chasethechosenone8478 Please read my comment again, and try to understand. Having a "mix" of RDNA 3 Navi 32 design and RDNA 4 features does not make it RDNA 3.5. RDNA 3.5 is already a separate existing architecture for iGPUs in mobile and Ryzen 9000 packages, as I mentioned. You cannot just turn it into a grade school math problem and call the PS5 Pro die RDNA 3.5, obviously.
That video proved absolutely nothing. Digital Foundry's tests show the PS5 performs like an RX 6700. Sony announced the PS5 Pro would be up to 45% faster than the PS5, which puts it in the territory of the RX 7700 XT, RX 6800, or 3070 Ti. The 4070 is nearly 70% faster than the RX 6700.
Hate when people compare it to an nVidia GPU. This uses an AMD APU. Has no nVidia tech.
AMD have X3D CPU. I still don't know why SONY dont use 5800XD3 or 5700X3D in PS5 Pro. They stick to oryginal 8 Core Zen 2 CPU so like 3800X.
Same AMD say at launch of Zen 3 they are compatible (still Zen arch). So why they don't refresh CPU? They use new faster GPU, faster GDDR6 memory.
They change from RDNA 2 to RDNA 3. But why not change Zen 2 for Zen 3 X3D. Yes they OC it from 3,5Ghz to 3.85Ghz WOW!! XD 350Mhz more...
If SONY use X3D CPU in console devs will optimize more games for it this will benefit AMD to get better in PC market.
9800X3D have the same clock as 9700X. So it's not even slower like 5800X3D vs 5800X. And for RT/PT better CPU make difference.
So I hope PS6 use 9800X3D or at least cheaper 7800X3D.
because ps5 games have to work too, cant just be pro games and ditch ps5 in the dust.
5600X + 6800XT way better than PS5 Pro with CPU limitations
That's a bit delusional, PS5 pro has better upscaling and better ray tracing than even 7900xt
I wouldn't say better but.. you could easily get a 6800xt for $300 and a 5600x tower with all the stuff you need for $250. Maybe it doesn't beat the PS5 but considering it's a lot less and has unlimited potential to be used for everything else PCs do.. id go with the budget PC build anyway. I have $1100 in my PC and it will destroy a PS5 pro.
@@christophermullins7163 lol no it won't, I'm a PC guy and a long time ago I came to appreciate what consoles are able to do at $500. Can your $1100 PC do really good upscaling with ray tracing and output a decently looking 4k imagine at 60 fps?
@@mohyari3075 I said my PC will crush a PS5 pro. If we get into specifics you'll look stupid.. I guarantee it.
@@mohyari3075 5600 @ 4.7ghz 24gb ram and a 4070 TiSuper... You tellin me optimization will bridge the massive gap in the hardware performance? Really bud?
"but it's like a 4070!" Lul
4070 with DLSS and RT will destroy PS5 Pro. Sadly, even the old one from almost 2 years ago.
According to Digital foundry, yes, is the closest thing. do you ever heard about Digital Foundry?
Digital Foundry did publish a video comparing it to a 3070 Ti lol@@pedroribas1815
@@Dr.WhetFarts No it won't. The PS5 Pro will perform very close to an RTX4070.
@@SIPEROTH most ps5 games can't go over 60 fps though.
I mean it's 40 percent better than a PS5, that's is less than a 7800xt when it comes to raster.
It's not a 1:1 comparison given the design differences
@@thewhiteknight9923sure, but when Sony tells you “its a 45% increase in performance” thats probably a best case scenario, or at least a high estimate.
yeah, that specs are really eye opening,
so, the cpu was only a lil overclocked, the teraflops where counted over fp16 presicion, meaning it really have just 16-17 teraflops on a real gaming enviroment (this by digital foundry)
and lastly... did sony really want me to believe his OS has been made lighter and uses less ram, while they blow up his AD system/algorythm that, obviously, uses lots of more ram????
(those ads opening mid-games are gonna cost lost of RAM, and is stupid to believe they arent implementing them at some point if they already have the software installed in every ps5-pro)
so, where between the bottleneck produced with that obsolete cpu (which compares only to 7-8th intel generation, which is obsolete in todays pc standards and being taken out by windows 11, cuz they really outdated) and the extra ram usage by ads, this will kill mid-tier pcs????? i dont see it happening, like, ever XDDDD
any mid-tier pc right now, are able to run alan wake 2 way better then ps5-pro specs, so, wheres the killing?????
RX 6800XT and above.
60cu rdna3 = 7800xt
Really doesn’t matter because the games on console are locked at 120 fps rn
It lost to the RX6800. It’s only 16 teraflops
No it doesn't 😂 console peasants are crying
yup locked 120 is a good limit
Fine for me. Both my Pro and 7900xt PC are attached to a LG C1 with a max 120fps.
Power consumption is the last weapon console peasants brag of 🤣 They used to be proud of consoles' performance and low price but PS5 pro is far more expensive than 7700XT.
Im truly trying to understand why any of this matters if everyone already has the rig or console they prefer why even waste time just game ...whether u like the pro or not shouldn't change anything...i honestly feel that people fwel threatened for whatever reason
Sony Boy's copium says ps5 pro pc is $1200+. Hahaha sure. I could build equivalent pc with better cpu and more ram for the same price as PS5 pro. With AI upscaling and good RT performance. let me know if youd like my help with a build. 😊
@@ChrisL-d4c 2 words. Bathtub curve. Yes you can!
@@ChrisL-d4c lol you also need a monitor for the PS5, so what the heck is that argument lmao and the fact, that you have to pay a sh1load for every game, that you have to pay a sh1tload for freaking ONLINE PLAY - WTF?!, that you can literally only play what Sony allows you to, there is no autonomy, you arent the boss of your machine, you cant change graphics settings and the settings that are used by the consoles are basically NEVER the max settings on pc aka you can get a way better experience on PC with adequate hardware, which brings me to the next point - you can easily upgrade your pc, with consoles you buy it and get low end CPU + mid range GPU and then next gen you do the same again for a low end CPU + mid range GPU. The funny thing is, that in like 2 months Nvidia will release the first parts of the RTX 5000 series. So at that point even the GPU in the PS5 pro will be low end lmao, so both, CPU and GPU will be low end.
and the biggest thing of them all - a PC can do everything, a PS5 can just do that - play Sony games. it can do one thing, and that not even well, it has to resort to upscaling and not just that - it often uses the heaviest upscaling like 720p upscaled to 4k (I recommend Digital Foundry videos), if youre lucky the game uses 1080p to 4k and all that with a horrible upscaler called FSR. PS5 Pro improves on the upscaler with PSSR, but that one is still not on the level of DLSS Upscaling. So even if you see the same framerates as a pc - if both use the exact same settings, have the exact same performance - the PC with DLSS will look better. But usually you can increase performance pretty easily by changing around a few specific settings, which you also cant do on a console game. Consoles treat you like tech illiterate. I mean, if you like it - there you go, but a PC vs consoles is like Android vs. iOS.
oh and a Windows key costs like 15 bucks. So thats nothing. A Pc can cost more than the PS5 and it would still be better bc of all the points I just said. You just castrate yourself with a console, you dont gain anything. The consoles cant do anything a pc cant do better. The ONLY thing a console can, is playing some exclusive games, thats the only reason I would ever consider one, like Demon Souls, Bloodborne.
@DELTA9XTC talking more than a female. I guess you think this is flexing but all it's doing is revealing that you have nothing else going on in your life so you focus all of your time on games where you can pretend to be someone else . Me I'll be on the couch with some friends smoking out and eating some wings and watching a 98 inch screen. Now get back to the basement your mom will tell you when dinner's ready son
i love how it went from less powerful to more powerful halfway through the video........ not. since it is a console and will have less wattage with a smaller heat sink there is no way it will come close to a 6900gre wont even hit 6800xt. guarantee it
My guess is it will be like RX 8700 or XT varient.
That doesn't exist! You clowns are funny.
RX 799.99 eu 💶
Lol I have the same white steel series 7900 GRE
Total: $739.79 No point of the PS5P when you can build a 5600/7700XT and can do PC things.
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($70.00)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($17.89 @ Amazon)
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That CPU blows and will bottleneck like crazy.
DDR4 ram. PS5 has DDR5.
Gen3 m.2, PS5 has Gen4.
That PC won't play games at 4k/60 but the PS5 Pro will. You have to over-spec a PC because of optimization. A PC GPU needs to be around a gen newer to match a console APU.
@@BryceCzirr-jz7ju 😂😂😂
Yeah, sure bub. You must be a Sony executive/fanboy bot.@@BryceCzirr-jz7ju
Upscaled 4k ps5 pro
So in reality all Sony did here is successfully create a system that will be heavily bottlenecked by the CPU. O yes and they charge $700 for this bottleneck.
rx 7600 is enough 😊
Just wait for the damn specs all yall do is just guess and end up wrong
Wait for specs that have already been confirmed? Lol
Who's here after the fiasco?
All new PCs have DDR5 RAM. So you would have to compair a PS5 to a old 2019 PC with DDR4. 😂
PS5 has unified GDDR6 memory.
@@kcamfork That's the GPU. PS5 has 512mb of DDR4, and a new $300 i5 PC has 16gb of DDR5. DDR5 is twice as fast as DDR4 and increases frame rate on PC. So new I5 PCs are better than PS5. Alliexpress has RTX 4070 for $260 new. That is $560 for a new PC that blows PS5 away, and it is cheaper. PS5 can't display max graphics settings or resolution. Backrooms Horror is made with Unreal 5.5 and looks like crap on PS5. GTA5 also looks bad on PS5 compaired to PC. Alan Wake 2 is 1080p on PC and 864p on PS5. So PS5 will never have the resolution or graphics a new PC has. Why are PS5 owners upscaling games when they are lpwer resolution than PC? It don't make since super imposing a bad image.
@@sleepwalker29 yes ram... and that is for other programs ddr4 is not gddr6... however pro has16gb of gddr6... dedicated to gaming and visual experience.. vram and ram are 2 different things.. so you need a gpu with 16gb gddr6... what does that cost?
@@denhawken I never said GDDR was DDR. However faster RAM increases frame rate on all computers. So DDR5 PC with a $300 16gb GDDR6 GPU out performs PS5 PRO and its 512mb of DDR4. I guess you don't realize PS5 has low frame rate like a $100 gaming PC hitting 40fps with low settings.
@@sleepwalker29 so again.. what does a 16gb gddr6 GPU cost?
People misses the point. Desktop 7700XT or RX6800 will ALWAYS beat PS5Pro. Why ? Because PC will always have FAR better CPU.
You are assuming every game is CPU limited. Thats not the case in the majority of games.
@mikem2253 it indeed will be. Most of the new games will be made on Rage Engine or Unreal Engine 5. Which has an insane CPU bottleneck.
7700xt with a crap CPU which puts it at nothing !!!!
The CPU has less to do in a console versus a PC. Decompression is not handled on the CPU at all as an example on the PS5.
33tflps is equivalent to 3090ti considering consoles optimisations for gaming! So its not gonna be mid range it will be easy 4k 120fps all games. Here is your professional 1 sentence answer!
That profile pic put this comment so much into context. Nice one.
@BGangenn Requires high IQ to understand it. Very easy to miss the point 😉
Useless comparison since consoles are locked down, most ps5 games can't go over 60fps. And many games on ps5 pro will still be 900p 30 fps because no patch.
Much like we saw with the ps4pro, devs will update games with a patch if they want them to sell more copies as PS has a massive marketshare
Wow, you're completely wrong. And a complete moron
Exactly this. Having all your favorite older games still be stuck to PS4 and PS5 settings suckssss. 1080p30fps/60fps is awful when your console is capable of much more.
watch any review from anyone with HANDS ON experiance from the last 5 days, you are very wrong.
the ps5 pro is less than 250 watt for the whole system and wa all know how power hungry rdna 3 is ,💀,the F you are on about , it's 250 watts for the cpu, ram and gpu .....so 140watts goes to the igpu at best , with a memory pool of 13gb for both cpu and gpu , let's say 10gb for the gpu and 3 gb for the cpu to be generous ,
the 7800xt alone is 250 watts and it has 16gb of dedicated vram ,
ps5pro's gpu will be between an rtx 4060 ti and rx 7700xt in raster on average and match the 4060 ti in raytracing ,
to me 2 to 4 times the rt performance of the ps5 isn't much , after all 2 to4 x small rt perf can't amount to something glorious either ,
You know the GPU can have access up to 13.7 gb for games. So don’t know where you came up with 10 lol. Keep trolling and just know the pro will perform better than majority of mid to high end PCs in real world environments
@@Patrick-tw7nr 13 gb shared for both gpu and cpu , grow a brain pls
@@jeofthevirtuoussand it’s 13.7 and the majority of that is for games less CPU so realistically it can use all 13.7 just for graphics and CPU can use whatever is being used by OS. You probably need to actually do research before you talk
@@Patrick-tw7nr isn't the 3 gb for os actually for os ? the f is going on
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Used? Are you kidding me? If it fails in less than a year then what? People are going to be spending their hard-earned money and you're suggesting them to blow it on 2nd hand parts?
Not everyone wants to build it...not everyone wants windows. Some want plug and play. Easy. Living room fun, family fun. A PC is solo gameplay unless it's online. Both have their pros and cons.
Used is a joke though. Sure, garbage from Craigslist... way cheaper.. buy a used pro in a year. Or a used ps5
@@robertbolzicco9995 Yeah nobody purchases used PC parts, every single part used is damaged permanently in matter of weeks, you're so right!!
@@thewhiteknight9923 I can create a new pc part list with new parts and still reach the PS5 Pro budget. You know what?, let's just do it
5090 ti😂
A PC guy will upgrade and build a $4000 rig, then proceeded to play Terraria while he complains the frame rate on PS5 sucks
You don’t need to spend $2000-4000 to smoke a ps5 pro tbh. If you know what you are doing, a custom build smoking a ps5 pro can range from $1000-1800.
@@Jaykurosakii PS5 Pro is better, much more bang for your buck and you can sit in the living room and play it like a normal human being, not hunched over some desk at your mom's
@@Chicken_Lovin_Brotha keep playing your weak console on that slow a** tv. I watch 4k hdr movies and shows on a big TV, not game on it. If I wanted to hook up my pc to a TV, I could easily do that.
@@Jaykurosakii $2000 gaming pc is nowhere near to PS5 Pro. It doesn’t matter how you speck it. You still won’t be able to play games on a maximum settings without stuttering.
@@Chicken_Lovin_Brothawhat bang when ur stuck doing only one thing trying to compare to what can be for work and anything u want
Ps5 PRO has crushed the p.c fanboys world.😊
How can a 7700xt and a 6yrs old 3700x crush pc😂😂😂😂
7700xt - $250 GPU.
Me selling my $1,500 4090 at a loss to buy a $2,000 5090 - 😎
@@BryceCzirr-jz7ju hahah 🤡
Yeah they are trying to compare a GPU from a Pc to a custom APU in a console when really there isn’t one. It will perform better than most mid to high end PCs in games and that is proven
@@Patrick-tw7nr yeah console peasants said it when the ps5 base model came out 😂 and see how it aged
RX 7900 GRE simple as that.
The ps5 is around 2060s, and the ps5 pro is a weaker 7700xt with a 5 ye old cpu😂😂😂😂
Yes, the PS5 has the same GPU as the RX 6700 10GB but in actuality, performance is lower. The RX 6700 is actually a decent chip with 10GB that sips power.
With RT- yes. Without- games have gone up to over a 2080.
@@mikem2253 noit doesn't 🤣 digital foundry has proved it
@ ua-cam.com/video/HMcjTChY2Tw/v-deo.htmlsi=lE-IEBpbhqKpz5J1
8:38 mark.
@@那人冷靜一點 check out the Death Stranding DF video of PS5 vs PC. 8:38 mark.
Not fully agreed on the shared memory bandwith topic
I own a 6700 10Gb and even with less GPU bandwith than a PS5 (320Gb/s vs 448GB/s), performance is -5% in worst case, like in AW2
But most of time the faster GPU clock of the 6700 outperform the PS5, especially in 1080p scenarios
I think it boils down to cache and other little things that get cut out of the custom chips for cost reasons, with the cpu we have across a shared bus would gpu exclusive cache benefit it? For console probably not because the devs use compression exclusive to the platform and instruction set, we've seen cache play a huge role with x3d and sometimes the larger cache on AMD cards pays off in games prone to judder and stutter compared to competitors, would be the first thing I expect to get cut on a consoles chip because it's specs inefficient.
7900xt PC owner here. Ps5 Pro in preorder. AMA.
What are you smoking and where can I get some?
You getting ready for gta 6 brother?
@@BattleToads Don’t smoke. Bad for your health. Gym and good food homie.
@@QuiseeC i’ll see. If its 60fps then yes. 30fps will be a hard no
@@mikem2253 I hope there is a 40 FPS mode.
The rx 6800 for sure as the original ps5 was a 6650 xt that means the specs of the ps5 pro are very identical to the rx 6800 so basically it'll be a 1440p monster
Right? In what universe was the ps5 a 3070 competitor?
Although I disagree about the 6800 being a 1440p monster, at least, in 2024
PC also has significantly worse online experiences, something which every PC first channel conveniently never talks about.
Cheating is a 100* worse on PC, because by volume it's more frequent, it's easier to do & there's more ways to do it.
Every time I play console I'm reminded of what a mostly cheat free environment is & quite frankly paying a measly $60-100 a year for the online maintenance is worth it to keep the homebrew scum at bay.
When you buy PC you spend far more money to get advantages which are heavy in diminishing returns (graphical fidelity) that use more power, require more knowledge and effort to maintain and constantly setup/benchmark every game & you are accepting that you'll spend all that money for a worse online experience.
horizon forbidden west at TRUE 4K at 120 fps locked ( dlss frame gen ) looks and plays ecstatic on RTX 4080 on my LG C2 OLED TV ( cant have that on console )
@@dheerajandani921 Horizon FW looks incredible on consoles on OLED as well.
Same with Cyberpunk 2077... A game that looks amazing on consoles & even better on PC, but at what cost?
Graphical fidelity has huge diminishing returns, & I'm sorry but spending £3-4K on a top end PC simply isn't worth the difference you get over console in most cases.
& That's only worsened when you factor in how garbage every PC game is online due to cheaters, by volume & by variation.
@@WildfireX you arent wrong about cheating online but for single player games . . . see my PC costed 1800 dollars ( not including controllers ) not 3K - 4K and its not just about graphical fidelity but framerate , smooth framerates on VRR screen is bliss !
And consoles wont even give me an option of 120 fps on 95% games and Games are also very cheap on STEAM sales which I get to keep for as long as STEAM is alive and not buy remasters at every generation and although expensive this PC is still twice as fast as upcoming PS5 pro so longevity is also more ( ignoring bad PC ports like JEDI survivors those are really disappointing )
FYI SWITCH EMULATION is pretty wild on PC , just completed MARIO ODYSSEY again on 4K 120 fps using ' Lossless Scaling ' AI Frame Generation as its locked at 60 fps via its engine ( see too much flexibility )
@@dheerajandani921 I disagree with the whole "games are very cheap on steam" thing because it's fundamentally not true. Games are priced within 5% of each other across most platforms at launch, the only difference in prices comes later on in how frequent sales are.
The price for most games right now is identical or within a small margin, I believe steam offers sales more frequently but acting like they're "much cheaper" simply isn't true.
I also said £3K - £4k, notice the £ sign... The US generally have the cheapest price on electronics, but in case you haven't realised, Europe get absolutely shafted.
And just to counter the whole "only $1800" comment... That's 4* the price of a PS5 which will at most games at 60fps without RT & that's at 4K because it's mostly aimed at TV users.
For $1800 I can get a PS5, 4 years of PS+ premium which gives me access to brand new game trials + 1000s of games, and a top end monitor or TV to go with it & still have money left over.
I get 75% of the way there in graphical fidelity, for a quarter of the cost because that's another thing you don't bring up... Garbage pc optimisation. You often end up needing components that are far superior to consoles, just to get as stable an experience because of how awful pc optimisation is.
The whole point of pc gaming is to go for the very best on graphical fidelity, otherwise if you're not going for that, then it's not worth the extra required knowledge, + the worse online experience , + bad optimisation, + higher power draw.
Also consoles have VRR, not sure why you act like they don't lol.
The whole emulation side of things is a tough argument, because I fundamentally think that it's wrong & basically piracy, but idk, whatever makes people happy I guess.
Id never compare the ps5 pro to a top end PC & say it's faster. I've never made the argument that consoles are faster than PC.
My argument has always been this, consoles are the better option for most people.
PC is for people that want to mod every game, or chase the absolute best performance at any cost. If you're not chasing performance & not modding, then you might as well buy a console & be happy with being 75% the way there.
Consoles provide an easy, low maintenance system that gives you good - great graphics (Nobody can tell me that Horizon FW & Demons Souls on console aren't great looking) & also provides users with the best online experience because even though PC players hate the idea of "paid online" the fact is that paid online keeps the homebrew system scumbags, modders, & hackers out of our online games.
Consoles pretty much only have to worry about hardware cheaters in FPS & fighting games
@@WildfireX FYI I am from India but 1800 $ was converted from rupees and also it wasn't expensive bcoz I also bought my GPU also on sale 😂 otherwise pc would have costed around 2K but still your 1800 dollar argument of 4 years PS premium, PS5 , many games and still left over money. . . IT PAINS MY HEART 🫠 But since I love flexibility and Emulation and I only buy games on sales (And I have a Nintendo switch oled and a Steamdeck Oled and have many games on Switch so I am allowed to pirate the Iso file which I have already bought once 🫠) but playing switch games on PC is like it's not same game anymore but for someone not so invested in PC already Consoles are nice balance with Price and Performance and tha rising PC prices are not worth the squeeze if you are just only going to play games on it
I myself had a PS2 and PS3 but since PS4 era I am a Throughout PC Gamer ( using Xbox controller )
FYI all this Price Hike in GPUs is thanks to NVIDIA like RTX 5090 is expected to cost 2500 $ before taxes . . . WTF 🤣
and it was a 5700xt 2070 super equivalent for the non pro. 3070 was better then a 2080ti. horrible facts in this video. not usual for these guys. sony fanboying a bit?
@Thehippiehobbitgrows Steve doesn't do consoles, and Tim, well he's just winging it from specs. Less fanboying and more just not giving a flip, but yes way off.
the PS5 Pro will likely have horrific CPU limitations as soon as you start upscaling...
Why would you advocate staying with or purchasing a PC rather than this new PS5 Pro.
You ought to do some maths and put together a PC with a comparable 7800XT gpu plus everything else that goes into building a new computer. I have no doubt that a complete new system would cost at least $AUD2,000. For someone like me that works and entertains himself with a laptop purchasing a new PS5 Pro would be perfect. It is powerful and complete only requiring a monitor and downloaded games. It will have the latest bells and whistles a gamer would need. Don't you believe that Nvidia has enough of the publics' money.
You are much better off with a PC than a PS5 Pro. When you factor in the vertical stand, the disc drive, PlayStation Plus subscription, and a couple of games, it all starts to add up to money that could have been invested in a gaming PC build. Everyone knows that the PC gaming ecosystem is superior to that of a console nowadays, especially when you consider that the limited-time console exclusives always get a PC port and are often cheaper if you wait for a sale. Console gaming is just not worth it these days.
Sony is worse than Nvidia in every way. 70 for a game, 60 for controller, 700 for console, 30 for a stand, 100 for a disc drive which should be included, 20 a month just to use the thing, its a joke, PC is better in every way.
@@ConnorH2111 Minor correction: they bumped the price of the controllers from $70 to $75.
You did not watch the while video didn't you?
Well as always, it depends
You have a physical collection of PS games. Well add the disc and stand
Its just under $900 usd for the system
You playing paid online games thats $80 per year for 4 years.
It costs you just under $1200 to own a PS5 Pro
Now do you want to play Xbox titles that may or may not come to PS, well thats another $550 before any online costs
Wow we looking at a $2000 USD system to match your 2000 AUD PC
But wait, you cant play PC titles on PS and since 2020 have you played on a current gen console online fee add another $250 USD
2000 aud PC
Vs
3000 aud console setup to play games "worse"
Many pc fanboys downplay the console, but in reality ps5 have 12gb vram and majority pc peasant only have 8 vram gpu is eye opener
Yes the ps5 only performance like a 6600xt so a 5year old 2080super is faster even with its 8gb of vram 😂
@@christohees9150 faster but laggy, jitter, missing texture cause of low vram. Speed is not everything
@@NineS5 used to now they cost 200 USD
@@saialexander1873 lol no the 2080super is just fine I have one let me show you clown 🤡
@@saialexander1873 ua-cam.com/video/vpwAfNrtCDA/v-deo.html
We already know it's around the level of an RTX 4060 Ti. It's under the RX 7700 XT in terms of raster, but it's a bit ahead with ray tracing and upscaling tech. The RTX 4060 Ti is the one it's most similar to in terms of performance, but on AMD I'd say the 7700XT is the best match, even though it's not a good match. It's not anywhere near an RX 7800 XT, 7900 GRE, or 6800 XT. Those GPUs are at a tier above the level of the PS5 Pro. Even with the best optimizations, it's not going to suddenly go up a tier in performance.
Basically the 7700 XT
Yeah let me know when a console can mine bitcoins better then a 4090 or handle content creation for music , video editing , work flow , meeting calls , game at 4k over 60 fps stream on any platform , control satellites and any insanely sensitive systems . Quantum computing . Let me know a console is as powerful as a computer that can be BUILT TO DO any of THESE THINGS . please bec last I checked a computer isn’t just for gaming but it just so happens it can do that better then any console ever made . It’s just a by product of what it can do not its sole purpose and doing it at a mediocre rate like a console. This debate of a console being as powerful as a pc is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard .
@@NineS5 what do u thing made the machine to do it
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You can get a 4070 for $499 and overkill the ps5 pro CPU/Ram with something like a 12700k+DDR5 for well under $1000 usd. And you would never be CPU bottlenecked when the Pro is.
Or you could *easily* get a cheaper “console” tier CPU/mobo/ram and your system cost would probably be $700-800. And you aren’t constrained to the Remake machine ecosystem with subscriptions.
Buddy you know nothing about pc so it's best for you to keep quiet 😂
@@NineS5 im a PC guy and op is wrong, however the 6700xt will be objectively slower than a ps5 pro, absolutely without question needs upscaling to “game in 4k” and definitely FSR gets wrecked by any AI upscaling. But like you said, you could get a 6700Xt and decently balanced cpu etc. for way less than $1000.
PC fanboys coping extremely hard at this point 🤣
PS5 being Pro can't even keep up with a mid range PC Stay a peasant my guy lmao
@@delacroixii hahaha what a pathetic statement. My high end pc laughs at you 1080p losers
@@delacroixii Exactly,the console gremlins kill me I cringe Everytime I see 7900 gre or 4070 as a comparison. I also like the " some say" who the fuck is some 😂
Lol not at all your 700 doller console will be destroyed by midrange PC's 😂
@@NineS5 ua-cam.com/video/AALi8krYttA/v-deo.html
PS5 = 3060
PS5 Pro = 5060
Consoles will never compare, stop stating this.
With all due respect - no, base PS5 was not equivalent to 3070. It was only somewhat matching 3060.
Then, with frame gen mods and lossless scaling the 3060 will outperform ps5. Done it personally
So about on par with a $250-$300 PC GPU. Meh.
PS5 = 3060
PS5 Pro = 4070 (-5%)
yup, because 4070 is actually 4060 in disguise. So PS is around 60 tier
@@sixsixten The settings that console uses for 4K are medium(sometimes less). The 4070 can do high.
And the 3060 is better than base PS5 due to the console's lack of super-sampling.
A 4060 TI 8GB can match the quality settings on TLOU remake at 4K. I couldn't believe that GeForce Experience suggested that I run the game in 4K but it ran with decent lows and looked great at medium settings. My only comparison was TLOU2 because I don't have Part 1R on PS5 but the 4060 TI won.
@@sixsixtenHow so? A 4070 run about 50% faster than a 4060 and a 4060 runs around 20% faster than the 3060?
@@sgxsaint3130 3060ti is almost the same as 2080ti. Let me ask you, does 4060ti almost the same as 3080ti? Let alone 4070 which should be as good as 3090.
(Pstt... 4060ti has the same performance as 3060ti).
@@sixsixten I dont get your point. We're talking about two different products within the same generation. Now you're talking about different products within different generations. Different generations will have different amounts of gaps in performance. While the 30 to 40 series may seem small the 40 series cards literally can take half of the required power to output more fps than its predecessors. (Except the 4060, we all know theyre not anything special)
To answer your question, no considering the 3080ti is ~10% faster than a 4070. The 4070 is already faster than the 4060ti by 30% and when comparing it to the 3080ti then it would be around 40-45% slower already. Also you're crazy to think the 4070 is as fast as a 3090 lmao, it only beats out the 3080 by a few points but decimates it when compared to its power efficiency.
ps5 is like 1080ti
ps5 pro will be like at best 3080 but most likely like 3070ti
welcome to 2020 peasants
4 years behind it is
Nah, the Ps5 is equivalent to a 2070/s and a ps5 pro is supposedly better than a 4070 in terms of tflops.
Though these dont matter cus you can only play at 60 fps max lol
@@sgxsaint3130 There are 120fps options in some games, even on the base PS5, with others simply left uncapped.
@@sgxsaint3130😂 you think 40% improvement from a 2070 will get you to a 4070 buddy I'm laughing my ass it's pure comedy😂
@@christohees9150 I mean if you knew how to read or at least knew how to Google then you wouldve saw that the Ps5 Pro was equivalent to a 7800xt but it doesnt mean it will perform as good as it. Just saying 🤷♂️
@@sgxsaint3130 no the ps5 is basically on par with a 6600xt and i promise you 40% of that is not a 7800 xt buddy
Lolz, people wasting their money on consoles 😂😂😂. Just get a PC. 😂😂😂
Right. I mean i like collecting all of them. But pc is my main for sure. I9-9900k 4090
I have a r7 7800x3d and a Rtx 4080 gaming pc, I am buying the ps5 pro since I don't wanna be sat at a desk all day
@AssassinIsAfk you know you can hook it up to a tv and a controller or 8 easily right?
@@xpodx yes but also controller support is ass on windows plus discord and other applications like that, pc is primarily meant to be used with keyboard, mouse and a monitor, consoles are meant to be used for a TV and a controller
@AssassinIsAfk when does controller doesn't work well? Xbox one controllers work amazingly. I have like 6 or more and never have any issues.
Arc A770 16GB
amd
@@steviejandjoseline776 both are crap
The current PS5 performs like an RX 6700. So an Arc A770 isn't even as fast as regular PS5. Tim seems hit nail on the head. It's probably somewhere around 7900GRE.
@@darcrequiem driver updates will make it as fast as the 7900gre
@@basshead. I have a A770 16GB in my secondary system. I had spare parts and decided get a A770 over year ago just to see how well it performs. Performance boosts from drivers have minimal at this point. The performance of the card may hit 6700 levels in a few games but it's basically a RX6650 with superior raytracing, upscaling, and memory bandwidth.
The only real issue I have from driver standpoint is Arc Control is still busted. It almost never finds any drive updates and i have to manual update the drivers myself. If you are welling to make compromises in the settings it's decent 1440p card. It's been interesting seeing how XESS has progressed. It's not DLSS level but it's a quality upscaler.