I don’t understand why ppl defend the ending . Isayama literally purposely trolled that ending we have reiner sniffing letters, eren being retconned , Jean horse jokes. Ymir loving her rapist. Beyond me how ch 139 can be taken seriously aoe or not
@@akhandtripathipyz9888let alone stockholm syndrome, even that's not the case, cause if it was, the captor (karl fritz) would've provided safety for a specific hostage (ymir). He did absolutely none of those things, the complete opposites in fact that suit the treatment slaves receive, if not worse for ymir's case
all isayama had to do with ymir was reveal that actually the whole time (2000 years) she was keeping down the titan powers for eldians in order to protect them from the rest of the world. the last twist we needed after the s3 the owl episode one was that actually the titans / titan power that eldians hated the whole time was actually a superpower given to them in order to advance the human race as a whole (just how grisha said in that flashback in his activist days) and that while they were doing that, non-eldians got jealous and mad and also other governments felt threatened by regular ppl rising up against them and not needing them anymore so they started demonizing eldians/titan powers and sent them off to paradis and did historical revisionism and lied to the whole world about eldians. even ymir's motivation would have made sense: just how as a slave her discovering the titan powers was her way to rise up in society, she wanted eldians to use this power for the good of humanity in order to fight against oppressive governments (parallel to king fritz). this is lit what i theorized was gonna happen after s3. i thought ohh ymir has been doing this for 2000 years so that eldians can use their titan powers to rise up against world leaders and governments and protect all humans because she was NOT able to do that against king fritz despite her powers back then. this would have also made more sense with the whole story being damn near seinen and having strong political themes.
Man that is a good point. Reiner sniffing the letter is a middle finger to fans of Reiner. I think he’s a great character but that scene was not funny and it was uncalled for. Eren’s final talk with armin was a huge troll from isayama too. It’s like the people defending the ending have Stockholm syndrome or something.
TBFFF the only reason armin wasn't able to convince them was bc bro wasn't even trying to listen to armin, however, every soldier there was questioning what to do. That ofc isn't enough for armin to prove himself tho
Armin didn't even get to convince his BEST FRIEND, like, the closest person to him, to not do the rumbling, but eren thinks arlert can persuade his ENEMIES? Wtf?
Having listened to the entire debate, there was one thing that especially stood out to me as a misinterpretation of Erens desire for freedom at the end of season 3 when they finally reach the sea. Everyone is pretty floored after seeing the ocean, literally mouths agape. Armins dream had basically come true and all their friends and comrades were stunned to actually witness such a thing. It's a pretty uplifting, powerful moment for the scouts because in a way, reaching that point was the culmination of all their effort and sacrifice. Quite liberating indeed. And then we see Eren; a joyless and deeply troubled young man, filled with disappointment and despair. Why is that, after sharing this dream with Armin? The thing is, Eren was only using the sea as a symbol of the freedom he sought. The walls? A symbol for a cage. The Titans? A symbol of his oppression. This whole outlook shifts when he unlocks the memories of his father. Titans are not the enemy, it's other humans outside of the island. The walls? No longer a symbol of his cage. No.. It has now shifted to THE SEA being a representation of his cage. And his symbol for freedom? The show has since episode 1 set up that in order to achieve the freedom he seeks, his enemies must be eliminated. The titans. But, he was just wrong about attaching "enemy" to titans, and Eren knows that. His whole idea of what it would mean to reach the ocean has been wrong the whole time. He knows that the worst is yet to come. Killing all the titans seemed like such a simple goal, but the situation they've found themselves in is much more complicated, dangerous, and daunting. The fact of the matter is, Eren has already seen the sea in the memories of Grisha. When he finally arrives in person it means nothing to him. When he learned of the existence of humans outside of the walls, he was disappointed. And this is a very meaningful statement that some of the ending defenders twist and bastardize into something it's not. He's disappointed because he has come to realize better than anyone else that their goals are far from met. On the contrary, their struggles have only just begun. If humans didn't exist outside of the walls, victory and tremendous success would have been achieved here on the coast of their little island. All the titans being dead, and all of their hardships behind them. It honestly brings a tear to my eye when I see the pained look on Erens face as he turns to his friends and asks what it will take to finally be free. Honestly, just watch the last scene of season 3 it's one of the best moments in the entire show.
This story wass so fucking good bruh like I can’t count how many times i tear up while watching this scene bro everything about it was just so perfectly put together and you didn’t need to do research to understand it it was there the meaning of it and seeing this Odin Video and Him explain how Shash literally doesn’t makes sense I almost cried bc this story was so fucking good bruh i just don’t understand what made Isayama change his ways i loved this shit sm and it’s now my biggest disappointment
All for a series that is mid at the very best. This series is full of issues even before Marley. Every non-Titan antagonist is trash starting with the Paradis Elite before the basement. Isayama can’t write class struggle conflict correctly, but people think his ending handled genocidal conflict well.
@@shezyam460 I guess not, but i enjoyed it so much, i followed this manga for years. So when the shit chapters before and the garbage ending hit I hated it more than anything last year.
Shash is the final boss of ending defenders . Straight delusional shit with his analysis. Saint’s patience is crazy because I wouldn’t have dealt with the amount absurd shit he was spitting out.
@@ahmad_2027 nope him and sash just create headcanons to justify their takes🤷🏿♂️ but invaderz is taking advantage of the sheep fandom and brainwashing these folks to think his take is the holy grail of Eren’s character when it is very far from that😂 it’s the opposite actually. If he ever grows balls to debate with saint with his gymnastics it’ll definitely be a sight to see, peak comedy like how sash embarrassed himself
I just realized something…The shippers that argue on twitter with saint all the time will never show up to a debate because unless they are debating about their ship,their pretty much useless.And their also between the ages of 12-16.
Literally debating with children or adults with childlike mentalities. Explains a lot considering a possible age gap between the average age between manga readers and anime-only watchers. This might mean that this series could also age even more poorly than expected with some EDs growing up and going back to the series. Unless it’s invaderzz or a bigger youtuber, Saint should stop debating these random kids.
I remember making a comment on an AoT Video saying, "I wish EreMika was developed more, and they ended up together", that's it. And I pissed off the beehive, I can't tell who they truly were, ending defenders or haters. But either way, for some odd reason, that one comment pissed all of them off LOL. "Imagine wanting romance in a Political Drama story" is the reply I got the most and it is stupid. Does romance no longer exist if a story is about Political Dramas? Bruh. This is why I hate the AoT Fandom right now. They're so confusing cuz they are truly diverse with both same and differing opinions, and those opinions are either dogshit or not. But the problem lies in the fact no one truly knows fully who they're up against. So, we can't properly debate.
Shash was trying to tire out Saint Like It Was A Boxing Match Trying To Make Him Delirious So He Can Come Off As Intelligent But Saint Still Undefeated As Usual!
Eren was trying to find Armin freedom LMAO 🤡 the measures and nonsense they will spit to make the sense what they are talking about is just so pathetic and sad funny
This guy was the definition of head Cannon 139 defenders if this is your best then you feel big time I'm surprised saintitchief didn't lose brain cells with this guy good video Men keep up the great work 👍
This might be overkill but 2 major reasons why him saying Eren is controlling everything is horseshit. 1. Obviously paths wasn’t even created yet so he couldn’t have influenced the Ymir freeing the pigs. 2 . In chapter 120, when he got to paths he didn’t even know what the fuck it was. 🤦🏾♂️😭😂. And let’s say hypothetically Eren did influence Ymir into freeing the pigs, then that would mean Eren wanted physical freedom not mentally 😂😂😂
Shash uses head cannons to protect the ending and misrepresent the story to fit his own narrative of what AOT is. By that logic, he is ignoring an important part of the story and the author's intention. One cannot use symbolism to defend bad writing and say this makes sense. Basically, we should ignore everything about the character and story structure of the AoT. I know Shash is one of the biggest ending defenders but, his own arguments are not consistent with Isayama's story. Shash: “you have a westernised version of freedom” *pulls up quotes that had nothing to do with AOT to justify AOT* “Freedom is happiness”?????? “It was Mikasa’s choice to ask Armin what she should do which shows us her agency” Freedom has more than one definition, and it doesn't matter what culture. Freedom has many philosophical interpretations. Shash is basically admitted that he is using headcanons to defend 139, while saintitchief is using the actual story and provided evidence for his argument.
Eren was dead long before Mikasa kissed him. So she didn’t have consent. Also, he compared pepper kissing Tony to Mikasa kissing Eren. I’m like… they’re not the same. Pepper kissed Tony on the cheek, and she and Tony had a good relationship and marriage. Mikasa and Eren relationship isn’t stable (if I can call it a relationship) but obsessiveness. There’s no good build up for us to be invested in their kiss.
@@Odin69 Or that scene of Eren having a meltdown while overhearing Hannes getting eaten and Mikasa convincing Eren to give up is “romantic”. Or that scene where Eren blushes at Mikasa (even though he’s blushing at everyone) talking about he wants all his friends to be free, is romantic. Or Mikasa placing her hand on Eren’s when they’re discovering the basement is “romantic” It sucks that they’re in denial. They’re only inserting their headcanons and claiming it’s canon
15:50 I literally called shash making this stupid point 20 min before he said it. I was losing my mind, lol. My favorite parts were Shash saying consent was silly and childish and telling Saint to grow up over it. Then when it took him like 10 minuets to answer a yes or no question, and calling all of us naz!s. I can't forget how much he was interrupting Saint too.
I think the ending defenders are the biggest Eren's haters out there, chapter 139 literally threw all of Eren's determination to achieve his goals in the trash, he only served as a sacrifice to give a happy ending to the other characters and that's it , Eren ended up alone, miserable, depressed and without fulfilling any goals and his so-called "fans" applaud that... by the way, it's no coincidence that the overwhelming majority of ending defenders are Armong and the rest of Cringengers' stans...
17:15 checkmate moment 25:00 another thing that I found strange after the ending. For some reason everyone just forgot about 122. It was the same shit but actually went with the theme of freedom by appealing to agency. How the hell did people not find the plugged ymir and Mikasa parallels strange as hell? 122 was like a huge moment for the story!
I hate that ending defenders have a much more popular platform than rational people like Odin or saintitchief. We should expect more from the series we love and expect them to have well written endings, or else it makes the authors look like they never cared about their series. Especially because of all the incredible moments in AOT. All of the foreshadowing and plot twists, the ending should’ve made the series a timeless masterpiece. Everything Erwin fought for and accomplished, in the end it’s all meaningless because isayama didn’t stick the landing. Coping this hard about AOT’s ending, I think is a clear sign of mental illness. Same can be said about defending eren, who became a mass murdering psychopath and a hypocrite. The amount of people that relate to eren is legitimately, actually terrifying. It seems like a lot of people, especially content creators with large fanbases, have an agenda to praise and defend the ending to avoid hate or controversy from their own fanbase or the general public. The AOT ending reminds me of a funny quote by kaneda from akira when he’s confronting tetsuo: “Yeah, you’re kind of the mountain. But it’s all GAH-bage!!”
Facts man, biggest betrayal in AoT to me is the moment Eren freed Ymir being taken away from us. You're right, everyone agreed that's what happened. The moment was literally referred to as "Eren freeing Ymir". It was emotional, it was deep, and it was an incredible scene. And now it's completely fucking ruined because of the 139 retcon. I'll never understand how people accept that of all things. It's an absolute disgrace.
I've always thought that Dina ignoring Bert was because of her last words in Chp. 87 "No matter what I become.... don't worry. I'll find you" as a manifestation of her dying will (as well as her royal blood). There've been other cases of Titans acting irregularly because of their emotions i.e. the titan who addressed a random scout as Ymir and Connie's mom saying "Welcome home". Dina didn't need to be brought up in 139 based on past evidence. It was only there to make Eren more "sad"
Yea that was the initial explanation and it made since because of already established facts shown by other titans who did similar things , then chapter 139 happens and throws all that out the window.
Yaa I was watching the debate and can't believe what I heard lol! I wonder how old he is 😂 because I remember when I was at age about 6 yrs old watching cartoon and can't understand what's story is going on on screen because I was too young, I was using the image of those cartoon characters and creating imaginary story in my head. That's what I was thinking Shash doing when I listened to him talking lol 😂😂😂
@@Odin69 yeah exactly! Saint was using exact events/dialogs from manga panels to interprete the story while he ignored all that and making his own story in his head. Like Eren saw freedom through Armin eyes when he showed him the book! 😂 No he is not! He was just amazed by what's in the book and realised there's more outside the walls. Historia was loved by yeagerist that's why they follow her at the end. No! Historia wasn't even doing anything in last arc except for being pregnant, why the yeagerist must listen to her?! And many more! He was unbelievable! and worse he was rude, no manners at all!
The ending criticizers are free from credulity and lack of common sense . They have an agreement treaty unlike earmin lol . They're not confused in their argument/judgement
13:50 that's stoicism and it's a real philosophy but you can't make a 1:1 comparision with aot, the difference is that eren HAS the ability to do sth about his situation while the slave only has the ability to bee free of mind. And stoicism doesn't make you just a passive observer in your life but rather makes you keep in mind that everything can be taken or lost the next day (to prepare yourself mentally to face adversity). If eren didn't have the rumbling he might as well enjoy the sea since he has no power to fight the world. That's why the comparision by Saint is flawed but still shows the holes in Shazz logic.
As long as their ships sailed EDs don't give a f about anything else and this is just sad and frustrating for people like us who read/watched AoT for the story, not for the shitty "romance"
52:31 FACTS! Literally the same points I bring up to Ending Defenders saying, "Genocide Bad" while only attacking and criticizing Eren and Ending Haters for the Rumbling while ignoring the cause of the Rumbling, that being literally the whole Anime, the attack of the Warriors, The Titans sent to Paradis by Marley, The Discrimination, Prejudice and Oppression of Eldians, and lastly, the Declaration of War. Eren was right and did nothing wrong. The World forced his hand. Don't blame the victim for fighting back against their oppressors.
I think there are plot holes in the mind of thinking and making choices in characters Not in the story Every point we make that aot has a bad ending it's based on the thought process and decision making of people in aot I think that how we are made. thinking all things and makeing worng decisions and being dump and acting stupid. We all have been there and that's what happened in aot (If you consider it as a true story with real people) If everyones decision and thinking makes sense that we all will be at peace
I'm here cuz of Saint! It's been a minute since I saw your video on 139. Keep up the good work. AOT is no longer mid to me, but a thousand percent trash.
I’m starting to think that aot was about division between humanity. He intentionally made the story like this to show that in the end, the fanbase would be forever arguing with each other about the ending, each side convinced that the opposite is completely insane. I mean think about it, what other series has this much of a divide between the fanbase over it’s ending? Just kidding, I barely read any manga/series so I have no idea. Edit: actually I figured it out, isayama didn't write it this way, eren did. Eren wrote the story to create a fanbase and divide them. So actually, every retcon in the story is actually intended by eren and every argument against the ending is incorrect. Sorry not sorry you lose eren is god
this reminds me of a tiktok live i watched a while back where the dude was trying to say that doffy from OP could solo the entire akatski from naruto XD
15:37 Saint is BASED. Dude is a Conservative Republican now LMAO. 18:15 In a Perfect World, Isayama didn't change the ending of AoT. And Eren rightfully won. And got together with Historia. And in addition to this, if Isayama changed the ending for being too grimdark and depressing and made it so that only Eren had to die while everyone else lived happily ever after, why couldn't Isayama just make it so that Eren is persuaded to rebuild and re-establish the Eldian Empire and avoid a full-scale rumbling, and instead a full-scale conquest. Then, he could've had Eren be with both Historia and Mikasa, and since Mikasa is royalty with the Japan of this Universe, he could've had an ally country. Simple. Would've been better than a half-assed rumbling.
Just finished watching and I gotta say damn dude. I thought I was good at connecting some of these points and poking holes in their logic. You dismantled Shash's whole house brick by brick. I would love to see a world where Shash reacts to this video, but that shit will never happen. I just recently joined twitter and I have no idea how you guys haven't jumped off a roof reading some of these takes. I've tried talking with so many people about their thoughts and it always ends up going in circles or them not responding. I talked to someone who said Eldians are a disease and Marleyans aren't racist. I've talked to someone who says that Mikasa's family in the extra panels is adopted and the person that's next to her is Armin, all so she can remain a virgin and still dedicated to Eren until her death. I've had people reply and instantly block me after I ask questions about how they come to their conclusions. I seriously don't understand how this fandom has become so split. From the looks on twitter at least, there are more ending defenders than there are haters. I can only hope most of the people who didn't like it were able to move on to other shows. Hopefully we're the only people trapped by this shit ending. I went through the GoT downfall and nows time for AoTs. I'm praying for AOE.... but I know its not happening.
Thank you 😊 and yea I don’t follow the aot community on Twitter I actually don’t follow much anime content on Twitter for that matter, I consume anime everywhere else Reddit, TikTok, UA-cam. Twitter is my anime-free space :)
Lot of ending haters did move on from AoT, leaving ending defenders in a self-validating echo chamber. But if you look at the 139 leaks translation thread on twitter, every page was responded with utter disappointment.
I had actually got into a debate on TikTok with a ED sometime last year and when he said this word by word “well maybe Eren wanted Armin’s freedom” I knew I had utterly destroyed him and proceeded to stop responding I didn’t want bro to keep embarrassing himself also that guy supported Mikasa’s he also necrophilia as well
I haven’t watched this yet and have no idea who Shash is, and I’ll edit this comment after I watch the vid, but I love the ending of AOT. It’s heart wrenching, agonising and unfulfilling. I adore it. Even achieved momentary peace for his friends, but the cycle eventually continues. I didn’t expect AOT to have a happy ending where everyone lived happily ever after, and I really appreciate the heart ache of the ending. (Also, I seen comments talking about the unconsenual kiss??? I didn’t know ppl disliked that and think even and mikasa didn’t have enough romance. To me, a lot of their romance built up through unsaid words and the kiss represents being too late. Also, in season 3 when mikasa is giving her little “thank you” speech, ‘thank you’ is used in place of “I love you” quite a lot in Japanese media, so I interpret it as a confession which eren confirmed by saying he’d wrap the scarf around her forever.) ANYWAY, that was a long rant, I’ll come back to this and see if my opinions change later 😮
Another thing came to my mind, when Eren gave his rumbling speech, he said to subjects pf ymir but why the fawk was mikasa there ??? And in manga When eren brought everyone in the path, why was levi there ??? Thought only eldians could be there
17:15 the reason is because the world isn't like he wanted. Eren expected a blank world whit no humans, natural wonders and freedom instead he found more humans, more violence and more suppression. From this realization Eren developed the desire to create a blank world by himself by killing everyone and destroying everything, forest, cities, history. He wanted a blank world because that was freedom for him At least this is my interpretation
If he wanted those natural wonders, why did he stomp on them? Why would knowing humans exist outside make him want to destroy those natural wonders? Why didnt he just tell the Titans to avoid the forests?
I think he was simply disappointed with how the world hated his people, how there is absolutely no freedom outside the walls. Even if he did want them all gone at one point, I think he developed beyond that eventually, hence all his development post time skip.
Eren can only influence attack titan shifters, not any other of the 9, not even the founding, so it's literally impossible for eren to influence ymir, even when she became the titan. Eren's influence started when Ymirs daughters were eaten, not when ymir was eaten by Maria, Rose or shina coz that's still only 3 titans, so they had 3 titans each, attack titan is still not in play, what a terrible take.
I feel so bad for sash bro 😭.. I used to follow him on twitter and think he was one of the smartest in aot fandom.. when in this debate, he just sounds so.. ughh.. he doesn't even have the guts to defend his words.. because really, it's stupid. I just want ending defenders to stop and think for a while about the ending and its flaws. There's nothing perfect or great about the ending. Except maybe, captain Levi's salute to the soldiers.
Bro shash was literally making shit up and saying it was good writing 💀 like you can’t be serious. And then he said the worst take in all of animanga history: the pigs
Anyone trying to argue the layers upon layers of the wierd narrative that Isayama tried to solidify in 139 is going to lose against someone arguing that the ending didn't make sense. It's simply easier to accept that the hardass character that Eren was pretending to be was his _actual_ character. It makes more sense than Eren essentially being a deep dive into a very human portrayal of a broken child with sociopathic tendencies who never got the chance to grow up. Everyone around him evolves, he refuses to. He pretends to in order to rationalize his actions to himself and subconsciously push others away from the fucked up person he knows he is, but in his final moments, what sense would it make to keep up the act? Armin is the one person who he feels like he can be 100% honest with. He doesn't care if Armin sees him at his most pathetic, so he unravels in his last moments alive. All of this takes Eren from being the mature scion of manly Chad energy that he... _never_ could have been...and shows that he's a broken, selfish, childish young man who put his own desires above everyone else's and realized way too late that "his own desires" were fucked up. Add to that the fact that, he, the one we were following, was never intended to be the protagonist and you have yourself a far more complicated ending than you signed up for. Eren ends the story as the final obstacle that needed to be overcome in order to free Ymir. He was never anywhere close to being free; in fact, he became less and less free the further his story went on. He was chained to a future goal that he was both disgusted by and desperately craved. Due to his nature he pushed towards it, even with these conflicting feelings. He got up close and personal with the people he knew he would kill, felt terrible, but couldn't help himself from still wanting it. Couldn't stop himself from forcing that vision of the future to be reality. He wanted that future more than anything, yet still had a conscience telling him "killing billions of innocents is bad actually". A slave to his instincts to the end; he could have never been the one to free Ymir.
It’s unbelievable that he believes Eren freed the pigs. It’s even crazier to think that he still would consider that good writing. Eren creating the worlds hatred against eldians than him being angry about it is absolutely hilarious.
I actually like the ending, so I came into this in support of Sash thinking that saint would just be ignorant to Sash’s points & try to clown him….but Sash was literally not making any logical points at all…I checked out of the video as soon as he tried to argue that “reality is subjective” ☠️ 🤦🏾♂️. I did not expect this at all
6:04 Nonsense point about the Research Papers. You can bring anything you want that'll help in a debate, even on Anime. The problem is, did Shash bringing research papers actually help him in the debate? If not, he's dumb. If it did, he's smart. Simple As. You're humiliating yourself with such a stupid take. I'm guessing you're saying this for two reasons, an attack on Shash, and to claim, "It's an Anime, why are you taking it so seriously that you're bringing in Research Papers?!", this latter argument is very stupid cuz it can be used against you as well. If this doesn't matter, why make an hour-long video on two other people's debate? Because it matters and we're taking it seriously.
I actually did say some stuff on what he says about Mikasa but I edited it out because the video was too long already and for his reasons on the rumbling I explain what he says they are and show the clip of him saying them
the number of ending haters will increase when anime 139 hits. we can see new youtubers cover aot. annie is closer to goofy cause annie quotes goofy's "i will do it again " line from the courtroom
These ending defenders are coping so fucking hard, attack on titan's ending literally re-con the whole story. Paradis gets nuked by the outside world, Eren died for nothing.
I thought the intro was just an exaggeration of Shazz and he just screwed up multiple times due to nervousness, but no, there is real delusion in all of the points presented. A real slave + thinking they are not a slave in their head = not a slave? Bruh, that is not how reality works.
I've seen eds clowning us for having the same arguments, responses, and problems and answears to why chapter 139 is trash and that's why we are bad, because we can't come up with something new, we only repeat ourselves, it becomes boring, but this is the truth! We're showing them why it is trash and what are the problems! They exist and are facts! Facts cannot be changed and they remain the same! Of course we will repeat ourselves and try to open the eyes of someone with the same stuff. Those are the problems! We bring them to light! Eds, on the other hand, spew nonsense and headcanons or blow everything out of proportion and meaning just to suit them. This ain't a fact. It's self manipulation and brainwashing because, you know, author cannot do any wrong. We better repeat ourselves than be clowns and have different opinions and interpretations and in the end getting lost. And the truth is simple. The problems are simple and easy to see. The story is there, laid out for us, but no, headcanons are truth. Delusional interpretations are correct although the story is finished and doesn't support them. Bullsh*t.
@@musictorin so what ur saying is you would rather turn to the comfy lie rather than the harsh truth 🤦♂️ u mfs are so sad man get out of that shitty comfort zone and face this ending for how shit it is dont delude urself into thinking this shit is good
lets gooooooooooooo
Big W
Still undefeated
King is here.
winstreak
saint it chief winstreak stronger than the undertaker.
damn bro you literally destroyed him LMAO
He destroyed himself
@@Odin69 He keeps shooting himself on his foot. Like the fool that he is.
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All hail our lord, saviour and voice of our community. Our Saint
@@Odin69 "the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself" - Actually Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
People having philosophical debates on the story whilst isayama is chilling in an onsen drinking some tea.
AOE.
Should pay him a visit then
wait... you cant drink tea in an onsen. what a man you are isayama
The genuine confusion in Saint's "WHAT???" at 28:32 is genuinely one of the best things ever
😂😂
“Consent is silly and thinking otherwise is childish” - Shazz
What a freak fanbase this series has garnered. How is this guy their king on Twitter?!
lmao 🤣
I absolutely died inside the moment he said that rofl
Tell that to any rape victim and let's see how they respond
Wdym making out with my dead step brother is weird, I swear he gave me consent in a dream!
@@seanzano6634 If Twitter and ED’s actually had real morals they would cancel him out of the community for this awful take alone.
Shash is the pinnacle of mental gymnastics
Peak Ending Defender right here.
I don’t understand why ppl defend the ending . Isayama literally purposely trolled that ending we have reiner sniffing letters, eren being retconned , Jean horse jokes. Ymir loving her rapist. Beyond me how ch 139 can be taken seriously aoe or not
Can't call ite rape anymore
@@akhandtripathipyz9888let alone stockholm syndrome, even that's not the case, cause if it was, the captor (karl fritz) would've provided safety for a specific hostage (ymir). He did absolutely none of those things, the complete opposites in fact that suit the treatment slaves receive, if not worse for ymir's case
all isayama had to do with ymir was reveal that actually the whole time (2000 years) she was keeping down the titan powers for eldians in order to protect them from the rest of the world. the last twist we needed after the s3 the owl episode one was that actually the titans / titan power that eldians hated the whole time was actually a superpower given to them in order to advance the human race as a whole (just how grisha said in that flashback in his activist days) and that while they were doing that, non-eldians got jealous and mad and also other governments felt threatened by regular ppl rising up against them and not needing them anymore so they started demonizing eldians/titan powers and sent them off to paradis and did historical revisionism and lied to the whole world about eldians.
even ymir's motivation would have made sense: just how as a slave her discovering the titan powers was her way to rise up in society, she wanted eldians to use this power for the good of humanity in order to fight against oppressive governments (parallel to king fritz). this is lit what i theorized was gonna happen after s3. i thought ohh ymir has been doing this for 2000 years so that eldians can use their titan powers to rise up against world leaders and governments and protect all humans because she was NOT able to do that against king fritz despite her powers back then.
this would have also made more sense with the whole story being damn near seinen and having strong political themes.
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Or put carl Fritz on PATHS controling Yrmir there and Eren was the one who wipe him out to free Yrmir
Man that is a good point. Reiner sniffing the letter is a middle finger to fans of Reiner. I think he’s a great character but that scene was not funny and it was uncalled for. Eren’s final talk with armin was a huge troll from isayama too. It’s like the people defending the ending have Stockholm syndrome or something.
"Blah blah blah, something something, nonono you're wrong, anyways moving on, dontch be sillay bruv innit , das schewpid" -shash
You missed, "that's the point bruv"
@@shezyam460 true, my bad
LMAOOOOO
"Eren thinks Armin is a guarantee"
Armin literally couldn't convince the soldiers in s1???
The idea of eren trusting Armin to fix things is ridiculous he has not shown once to be capable of such a feat especially to this level
TBFFF the only reason armin wasn't able to convince them was bc bro wasn't even trying to listen to armin, however, every soldier there was questioning what to do. That ofc isn't enough for armin to prove himself tho
Armin didn't even get to convince his BEST FRIEND, like, the closest person to him, to not do the rumbling, but eren thinks arlert can persuade his ENEMIES? Wtf?
Having listened to the entire debate, there was one thing that especially stood out to me as a misinterpretation of Erens desire for freedom at the end of season 3 when they finally reach the sea. Everyone is pretty floored after seeing the ocean, literally mouths agape. Armins dream had basically come true and all their friends and comrades were stunned to actually witness such a thing. It's a pretty uplifting, powerful moment for the scouts because in a way, reaching that point was the culmination of all their effort and sacrifice. Quite liberating indeed. And then we see Eren; a joyless and deeply troubled young man, filled with disappointment and despair. Why is that, after sharing this dream with Armin? The thing is, Eren was only using the sea as a symbol of the freedom he sought. The walls? A symbol for a cage. The Titans? A symbol of his oppression. This whole outlook shifts when he unlocks the memories of his father. Titans are not the enemy, it's other humans outside of the island. The walls? No longer a symbol of his cage. No.. It has now shifted to THE SEA being a representation of his cage. And his symbol for freedom? The show has since episode 1 set up that in order to achieve the freedom he seeks, his enemies must be eliminated. The titans. But, he was just wrong about attaching "enemy" to titans, and Eren knows that. His whole idea of what it would mean to reach the ocean has been wrong the whole time. He knows that the worst is yet to come. Killing all the titans seemed like such a simple goal, but the situation they've found themselves in is much more complicated, dangerous, and daunting. The fact of the matter is, Eren has already seen the sea in the memories of Grisha. When he finally arrives in person it means nothing to him. When he learned of the existence of humans outside of the walls, he was disappointed. And this is a very meaningful statement that some of the ending defenders twist and bastardize into something it's not. He's disappointed because he has come to realize better than anyone else that their goals are far from met. On the contrary, their struggles have only just begun. If humans didn't exist outside of the walls, victory and tremendous success would have been achieved here on the coast of their little island. All the titans being dead, and all of their hardships behind them. It honestly brings a tear to my eye when I see the pained look on Erens face as he turns to his friends and asks what it will take to finally be free. Honestly, just watch the last scene of season 3 it's one of the best moments in the entire show.
Spittin
this NIGGA SPITTING.
how can this scene be interpreted ANY OTHER WAY???
Shash: ErEn wanted Armin’s freedom BRUV!
GET THE FUUCCKK OUTTA HERE LOL
I feel you bro, I rewatch the beach scene all the time just to see Erens reaction. It's powerful asf ❤️
Makes me remember pre 139 Eren
Same, it made me cry the first time I saw it.
This story wass so fucking good bruh like I can’t count how many times i tear up while watching this scene bro everything about it was just so perfectly put together and you didn’t need to do research to understand it it was there the meaning of it and seeing this Odin Video and Him explain how Shash literally doesn’t makes sense I almost cried bc this story was so fucking good bruh i just don’t understand what made Isayama change his ways i loved this shit sm and it’s now my biggest disappointment
Let’s also not forget he said Eren freed the pigs
300 Iq
All time great anime take
Smartest anime fan in history
Defending the ending has to be the most stupid thing you could ever do
When you don't understand it:
All for a series that is mid at the very best.
This series is full of issues even before Marley. Every non-Titan antagonist is trash starting with the Paradis Elite before the basement. Isayama can’t write class struggle conflict correctly, but people think his ending handled genocidal conflict well.
@@KR811 yep, the story's def not perfect before the final arc
@@shezyam460 I guess not, but i enjoyed it so much, i followed this manga for years. So when the shit chapters before and the garbage ending hit I hated it more than anything last year.
@@KR811 you kinda spitting tho. Aot before season 4 was like a 7.5/10 show honestly
Shash is the final boss of ending defenders . Straight delusional shit with his analysis. Saint’s patience is crazy because I wouldn’t have dealt with the amount absurd shit he was spitting out.
Nah invaderz will be saints final boss, while sash is like bowser jr😭
@@IgboKing I dont know much about invaderzz, does he have stupid takes as well? if there is any, is there any of it that you remember?
@@ahmad_2027 nope him and sash just create headcanons to justify their takes🤷🏿♂️ but invaderz is taking advantage of the sheep fandom and brainwashing these folks to think his take is the holy grail of Eren’s character when it is very far from that😂 it’s the opposite actually. If he ever grows balls to debate with saint with his gymnastics it’ll definitely be a sight to see, peak comedy like how sash embarrassed himself
@@IgboKing i see, well i havent seen any ACTUALLY good argument from ending defenders, so i don't expect much from those guys.
@@IgboKing 🤣🤣🤣
Loved the vid but
"I will never watch an hour long video on anything"
*Proceeds to make an hour long video*
I just realized something…The shippers that argue on twitter with saint all the time will never show up to a debate because unless they are debating about their ship,their pretty much useless.And their also between the ages of 12-16.
The age requirement for EMs is 12-16
Literally debating with children or adults with childlike mentalities.
Explains a lot considering a possible age gap between the average age between manga readers and anime-only watchers. This might mean that this series could also age even more poorly than expected with some EDs growing up and going back to the series.
Unless it’s invaderzz or a bigger youtuber, Saint should stop debating these random kids.
I remember making a comment on an AoT Video saying, "I wish EreMika was developed more, and they ended up together", that's it. And I pissed off the beehive, I can't tell who they truly were, ending defenders or haters. But either way, for some odd reason, that one comment pissed all of them off LOL. "Imagine wanting romance in a Political Drama story" is the reply I got the most and it is stupid. Does romance no longer exist if a story is about Political Dramas? Bruh. This is why I hate the AoT Fandom right now. They're so confusing cuz they are truly diverse with both same and differing opinions, and those opinions are either dogshit or not. But the problem lies in the fact no one truly knows fully who they're up against. So, we can't properly debate.
it was funny af watching him trying to defend the ending lmaoooo
Peak comedy
I think people don't realize that the time skip to s4 is 4+ years after Eren kisses Historia's hand. He had all that time to think of a plan
Shash was trying to tire out Saint Like It Was A Boxing Match Trying To Make Him Delirious So He Can Come Off As Intelligent But Saint Still Undefeated As Usual!
As a reward for this video Saint shall give Odin his seed.
😏
Best part about Saint is he gets why the ending is bad and explains it in a clear to the point manner.
Eren was trying to find Armin freedom LMAO 🤡 the measures and nonsense they will spit to make the sense what they are talking about is just so pathetic and sad funny
This guy was the definition of head Cannon 139 defenders if this is your best then you feel big time I'm surprised saintitchief didn't lose brain cells with this guy good video Men keep up the great work 👍
@@Artyom125 yup
With how much headcanon shash used, I don't even think shash read AOT.
Must've read a bootleg version lol
This might be overkill but 2 major reasons why him saying Eren is controlling everything is horseshit. 1. Obviously paths wasn’t even created yet so he couldn’t have influenced the Ymir freeing the pigs. 2 . In chapter 120, when he got to paths he didn’t even know what the fuck it was. 🤦🏾♂️😭😂. And let’s say hypothetically Eren did influence Ymir into freeing the pigs, then that would mean Eren wanted physical freedom not mentally 😂😂😂
Shash doesn’t know that
Shash uses head cannons to protect the ending and misrepresent the story to fit his own narrative of what AOT is. By that logic, he is ignoring an important part of the story and the author's intention.
One cannot use symbolism to defend bad writing and say this makes sense. Basically, we should ignore everything about the character and story structure of the AoT.
I know Shash is one of the biggest ending defenders but, his own arguments are not consistent with Isayama's story.
Shash:
“you have a westernised version of freedom”
*pulls up quotes that had nothing to do with AOT to justify AOT*
“Freedom is happiness”??????
“It was Mikasa’s choice to ask Armin what she should do which shows us her agency”
Freedom has more than one definition, and it doesn't matter what culture. Freedom has many philosophical interpretations.
Shash is basically admitted that he is using headcanons to defend 139, while saintitchief is using the actual story and provided evidence for his argument.
Big love for our Odin-senpai
Hi Onii-Chan 🥺
@@Odin69 based on our previous comments convos even the two of us have better dynamic than Eren and Mikasa lol
Big facts
Eren was dead long before Mikasa kissed him. So she didn’t have consent.
Also, he compared pepper kissing Tony to Mikasa kissing Eren. I’m like… they’re not the same. Pepper kissed Tony on the cheek, and she and Tony had a good relationship and marriage. Mikasa and Eren relationship isn’t stable (if I can call it a relationship) but obsessiveness. There’s no good build up for us to be invested in their kiss.
EMs think that Eren and Mikasa looking at each other and blushing twice in the story is somehow equivalent to a 10 year marriage/relationship
@@Odin69 Or that scene of Eren having a meltdown while overhearing Hannes getting eaten and Mikasa convincing Eren to give up is “romantic”. Or that scene where Eren blushes at Mikasa (even though he’s blushing at everyone) talking about he wants all his friends to be free, is romantic. Or Mikasa placing her hand on Eren’s when they’re discovering the basement is “romantic”
It sucks that they’re in denial. They’re only inserting their headcanons and claiming it’s canon
@@titanblade3706 i dont get how the ending defenders turned eren into jamie lannister after 139
EM had such a great foundation to be the only ship that makes sense, shit fell off since the scarf wrapping scene in s1.
@@omiorahman6283well, he was kinda turned into him by isayama: "you know I never really cared about..."
15:50 I literally called shash making this stupid point 20 min before he said it. I was losing my mind, lol. My favorite parts were Shash saying consent was silly and childish and telling Saint to grow up over it. Then when it took him like 10 minuets to answer a yes or no question, and calling all of us naz!s. I can't forget how much he was interrupting Saint too.
I think the ending defenders are the biggest Eren's haters out there, chapter 139 literally threw all of Eren's determination to achieve his goals in the trash, he only served as a sacrifice to give a happy ending to the other characters and that's it , Eren ended up alone, miserable, depressed and without fulfilling any goals and his so-called "fans" applaud that...
by the way, it's no coincidence that the overwhelming majority of ending defenders are Armong and the rest of Cringengers' stans...
"Armong"? "Cringengers"? Aside from that, yep. Eren should've won. And could've gotten either Mikasa or Historia.
The ED always suck to defend the ending because it's so difficult to make sense that nonsense xD
17:15 checkmate moment
25:00 another thing that I found strange after the ending. For some reason everyone just forgot about 122. It was the same shit but actually went with the theme of freedom by appealing to agency. How the hell did people not find the plugged ymir and Mikasa parallels strange as hell? 122 was like a huge moment for the story!
Yea I’m still wondering why ending defenders accept that aspect of 139 and how they don’t see it as a retcon of 122
You can't defend a retcon.
You can’t defend a retcon without retconning yourself
I hate that ending defenders have a much more popular platform than rational people like Odin or saintitchief. We should expect more from the series we love and expect them to have well written endings, or else it makes the authors look like they never cared about their series. Especially because of all the incredible moments in AOT. All of the foreshadowing and plot twists, the ending should’ve made the series a timeless masterpiece. Everything Erwin fought for and accomplished, in the end it’s all meaningless because isayama didn’t stick the landing. Coping this hard about AOT’s ending, I think is a clear sign of mental illness. Same can be said about defending eren, who became a mass murdering psychopath and a hypocrite. The amount of people that relate to eren is legitimately, actually terrifying. It seems like a lot of people, especially content creators with large fanbases, have an agenda to praise and defend the ending to avoid hate or controversy from their own fanbase or the general public. The AOT ending reminds me of a funny quote by kaneda from akira when he’s confronting tetsuo:
“Yeah, you’re kind of the mountain. But it’s all GAH-bage!!”
Bro you were on fire!!
I always thought AOT was “Titan bad, kill titan” when did it get from that to whatever it is now to this ending
season 4
Sorry it is not such a simple story
Stick to demon slayer dumbass
Facts man, biggest betrayal in AoT to me is the moment Eren freed Ymir being taken away from us.
You're right, everyone agreed that's what happened. The moment was literally referred to as "Eren freeing Ymir". It was emotional, it was deep, and it was an incredible scene.
And now it's completely fucking ruined because of the 139 retcon. I'll never understand how people accept that of all things. It's an absolute disgrace.
How do people waste their time defending this trash 😂
Yet you're here hating on it without understanding jack shit ABT anything
Ah yes. One of those NPC ED dialogues: you didn't understand the story. @XDGamer88
Damn, you made Shash look an embarraesment. You're officially my baka
🥰😍🥺
If I Believe I'm Spider-Man In My Mind Then From Shash Logic I Am😂
I've always thought that Dina ignoring Bert was because of her last words in Chp. 87 "No matter what I become.... don't worry. I'll find you" as a manifestation of her dying will (as well as her royal blood).
There've been other cases of Titans acting irregularly because of their emotions i.e. the titan who addressed a random scout as Ymir and Connie's mom saying "Welcome home". Dina didn't need to be brought up in 139 based on past evidence. It was only there to make Eren more "sad"
Yea that was the initial explanation and it made since because of already established facts shown by other titans who did similar things , then chapter 139 happens and throws all that out the window.
>I'm just not going to watch an hour long video.
>Makes an hour long video
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"IM NOT GONNA WATCH AN HOUR LONG VIDEO..."
proceeds to post an hour long video
well boy then ill not watch yours either
GOODBYEEEEEEEEE~~~~~~~~
By far the worst ending defender
He’s also the most intelligent ending defender
@@Odin69 faxs
the barrell always gets down.
its an endless pit.
Listen, I like the ending personally. Also, Eren definitely had to die. But you did cook him, shit was tasty
Yaa I was watching the debate and can't believe what I heard lol! I wonder how old he is 😂 because I remember when I was at age about 6 yrs old watching cartoon and can't understand what's story is going on on screen because I was too young, I was using the image of those cartoon characters and creating imaginary story in my head. That's what I was thinking Shash doing when I listened to him talking lol 😂😂😂
He literally made up head cannons on the spot
@@Odin69 yeah exactly! Saint was using exact events/dialogs from manga panels to interprete the story while he ignored all that and making his own story in his head. Like Eren saw freedom through Armin eyes when he showed him the book! 😂 No he is not! He was just amazed by what's in the book and realised there's more outside the walls. Historia was loved by yeagerist that's why they follow her at the end. No! Historia wasn't even doing anything in last arc except for being pregnant, why the yeagerist must listen to her?! And many more! He was unbelievable! and worse he was rude, no manners at all!
The ending criticizers are free from credulity and lack of common sense . They have an agreement treaty unlike earmin lol . They're not confused in their argument/judgement
You king earned yourself a subscriber just now! Brilliant video!
❤️ :)
Off topic but you calling a contradiction a retcon is so funny
13:50 that's stoicism and it's a real philosophy but you can't make a 1:1 comparision with aot, the difference is that eren HAS the ability to do sth about his situation while the slave only has the ability to bee free of mind. And stoicism doesn't make you just a passive observer in your life but rather makes you keep in mind that everything can be taken or lost the next day (to prepare yourself mentally to face adversity). If eren didn't have the rumbling he might as well enjoy the sea since he has no power to fight the world. That's why the comparision by Saint is flawed but still shows the holes in Shazz logic.
God damn finally
this was hilarious
CHAD
As long as their ships sailed EDs don't give a f about anything else and this is just sad and frustrating for people like us who read/watched AoT for the story, not for the shitty "romance"
52:31 FACTS! Literally the same points I bring up to Ending Defenders saying, "Genocide Bad" while only attacking and criticizing Eren and Ending Haters for the Rumbling while ignoring the cause of the Rumbling, that being literally the whole Anime, the attack of the Warriors, The Titans sent to Paradis by Marley, The Discrimination, Prejudice and Oppression of Eldians, and lastly, the Declaration of War. Eren was right and did nothing wrong. The World forced his hand. Don't blame the victim for fighting back against their oppressors.
have you heard about duke nukem forever 2001 version being studied. which means there was a Duke Nukem Forever original ending.
or DOE
DOE=AOE😳 and no sorry I haven’t
@@Odin69 the 2001 game demo was leaked apparently though I wouldn't recommend playing it as it might be virus or something
anyway grisha best character of aot
You're appreciated bro. That debate was not short at all
:)
I think there are plot holes in the mind of thinking and making choices in characters
Not in the story
Every point we make that aot has a bad ending it's based on the thought process and decision making of people in aot
I think that how we are made. thinking all things and makeing worng decisions and being dump and acting stupid. We all have been there and that's what happened in aot
(If you consider it as a true story with real people)
If everyones decision and thinking makes sense that we all will be at peace
I'm here cuz of Saint! It's been a minute since I saw your video on 139. Keep up the good work. AOT is no longer mid to me, but a thousand percent trash.
I’m starting to think that aot was about division between humanity. He intentionally made the story like this to show that in the end, the fanbase would be forever arguing with each other about the ending, each side convinced that the opposite is completely insane.
I mean think about it, what other series has this much of a divide between the fanbase over it’s ending? Just kidding, I barely read any manga/series so I have no idea.
Edit: actually I figured it out, isayama didn't write it this way, eren did. Eren wrote the story to create a fanbase and divide them. So actually, every retcon in the story is actually intended by eren and every argument against the ending is incorrect. Sorry not sorry you lose eren is god
this reminds me of a tiktok live i watched a while back where the dude was trying to say that doffy from OP could solo the entire akatski from naruto XD
Even Racer is more respected than him, lmaoooo. The BLA BLA BLA, ETC ETC ETC, NO NO NO, STOP STOP STOP.
Fire vid dad
GO DO YOUR CHORES!!!
15:37 Saint is BASED. Dude is a Conservative Republican now LMAO.
18:15 In a Perfect World, Isayama didn't change the ending of AoT. And Eren rightfully won. And got together with Historia. And in addition to this, if Isayama changed the ending for being too grimdark and depressing and made it so that only Eren had to die while everyone else lived happily ever after, why couldn't Isayama just make it so that Eren is persuaded to rebuild and re-establish the Eldian Empire and avoid a full-scale rumbling, and instead a full-scale conquest. Then, he could've had Eren be with both Historia and Mikasa, and since Mikasa is royalty with the Japan of this Universe, he could've had an ally country. Simple. Would've been better than a half-assed rumbling.
the body pillow 😭😭😭😭😭
please make a video on sea tactics he is the biggest manga ending defender
Just finished watching and I gotta say damn dude. I thought I was good at connecting some of these points and poking holes in their logic. You dismantled Shash's whole house brick by brick. I would love to see a world where Shash reacts to this video, but that shit will never happen.
I just recently joined twitter and I have no idea how you guys haven't jumped off a roof reading some of these takes. I've tried talking with so many people about their thoughts and it always ends up going in circles or them not responding. I talked to someone who said Eldians are a disease and Marleyans aren't racist. I've talked to someone who says that Mikasa's family in the extra panels is adopted and the person that's next to her is Armin, all so she can remain a virgin and still dedicated to Eren until her death. I've had people reply and instantly block me after I ask questions about how they come to their conclusions. I seriously don't understand how this fandom has become so split. From the looks on twitter at least, there are more ending defenders than there are haters. I can only hope most of the people who didn't like it were able to move on to other shows. Hopefully we're the only people trapped by this shit ending.
I went through the GoT downfall and nows time for AoTs. I'm praying for AOE.... but I know its not happening.
Thank you 😊 and yea I don’t follow the aot community on Twitter I actually don’t follow much anime content on Twitter for that matter, I consume anime everywhere else Reddit, TikTok, UA-cam. Twitter is my anime-free space :)
@@Odin69 Keep it that way. It's not worth it. Great vid again.
Lot of ending haters did move on from AoT, leaving ending defenders in a self-validating echo chamber. But if you look at the 139 leaks translation thread on twitter, every page was responded with utter disappointment.
He "reacted" in the comments below... Let's just say this guy is pulling a Reiner right now
@@shezyam460 What a man he is
I had actually got into a debate on TikTok with a ED sometime last year and when he said this word by word “well maybe Eren wanted Armin’s freedom” I knew I had utterly destroyed him and proceeded to stop responding I didn’t want bro to keep embarrassing himself also that guy supported Mikasa’s he also necrophilia as well
I haven’t watched this yet and have no idea who Shash is, and I’ll edit this comment after I watch the vid, but I love the ending of AOT.
It’s heart wrenching, agonising and unfulfilling. I adore it. Even achieved momentary peace for his friends, but the cycle eventually continues.
I didn’t expect AOT to have a happy ending where everyone lived happily ever after, and I really appreciate the heart ache of the ending.
(Also, I seen comments talking about the unconsenual kiss??? I didn’t know ppl disliked that and think even and mikasa didn’t have enough romance. To me, a lot of their romance built up through unsaid words and the kiss represents being too late. Also, in season 3 when mikasa is giving her little “thank you” speech, ‘thank you’ is used in place of “I love you” quite a lot in Japanese media, so I interpret it as a confession which eren confirmed by saying he’d wrap the scarf around her forever.)
ANYWAY, that was a long rant, I’ll come back to this and see if my opinions change later 😮
Another thing came to my mind, when Eren gave his rumbling speech, he said to subjects pf ymir but why the fawk was mikasa there ??? And in manga
When eren brought everyone in the path, why was levi there ??? Thought only eldians could be there
Ackerman clan are Eldians with superpower
Ackermans are subjects of Ymir.
I can say i was there on the stream giving out L to shash
17:15 the reason is because the world isn't like he wanted. Eren expected a blank world whit no humans, natural wonders and freedom instead he found more humans, more violence and more suppression. From this realization Eren developed the desire to create a blank world by himself by killing everyone and destroying everything, forest, cities, history. He wanted a blank world because that was freedom for him
At least this is my interpretation
If he wanted those natural wonders, why did he stomp on them?
Why would knowing humans exist outside make him want to destroy those natural wonders?
Why didnt he just tell the Titans to avoid the forests?
I think he was simply disappointed with how the world hated his people, how there is absolutely no freedom outside the walls. Even if he did want them all gone at one point, I think he developed beyond that eventually, hence all his development post time skip.
28:31 bruh
Imma start picking some books to be free 😊😊
This video is beautiful🥹❤️
Great video, glad to see these arguments broken down 🔥
:)
I love odin I love odin I love odin I love odin
I love you more I love you more I love you more I love you more
Eren can only influence attack titan shifters, not any other of the 9, not even the founding, so it's literally impossible for eren to influence ymir, even when she became the titan. Eren's influence started when Ymirs daughters were eaten, not when ymir was eaten by Maria, Rose or shina coz that's still only 3 titans, so they had 3 titans each, attack titan is still not in play, what a terrible take.
💙
We here
"just chill and play in the water" lmaooo
I feel so bad for sash bro 😭.. I used to follow him on twitter and think he was one of the smartest in aot fandom.. when in this debate, he just sounds so.. ughh.. he doesn't even have the guts to defend his words.. because really, it's stupid. I just want ending defenders to stop and think for a while about the ending and its flaws. There's nothing perfect or great about the ending. Except maybe, captain Levi's salute to the soldiers.
Bro shash was literally making shit up and saying it was good writing 💀 like you can’t be serious. And then he said the worst take in all of animanga history: the pigs
and people say were on the copium XD
A question, if ymir had the will to live when she took the spear and heal herself, would she be immortal ??
I think no. Titan shifters grow up and get old like normal humans
@@hallo4651 you are confusing eternal youth with immortality. You can be immortal and still age.
@@jayperez437 like Kratos
Anyone trying to argue the layers upon layers of the wierd narrative that Isayama tried to solidify in 139 is going to lose against someone arguing that the ending didn't make sense. It's simply easier to accept that the hardass character that Eren was pretending to be was his _actual_ character. It makes more sense than Eren essentially being a deep dive into a very human portrayal of a broken child with sociopathic tendencies who never got the chance to grow up. Everyone around him evolves, he refuses to. He pretends to in order to rationalize his actions to himself and subconsciously push others away from the fucked up person he knows he is, but in his final moments, what sense would it make to keep up the act? Armin is the one person who he feels like he can be 100% honest with. He doesn't care if Armin sees him at his most pathetic, so he unravels in his last moments alive.
All of this takes Eren from being the mature scion of manly Chad energy that he... _never_ could have been...and shows that he's a broken, selfish, childish young man who put his own desires above everyone else's and realized way too late that "his own desires" were fucked up.
Add to that the fact that, he, the one we were following, was never intended to be the protagonist and you have yourself a far more complicated ending than you signed up for. Eren ends the story as the final obstacle that needed to be overcome in order to free Ymir. He was never anywhere close to being free; in fact, he became less and less free the further his story went on. He was chained to a future goal that he was both disgusted by and desperately craved. Due to his nature he pushed towards it, even with these conflicting feelings. He got up close and personal with the people he knew he would kill, felt terrible, but couldn't help himself from still wanting it. Couldn't stop himself from forcing that vision of the future to be reality. He wanted that future more than anything, yet still had a conscience telling him "killing billions of innocents is bad actually". A slave to his instincts to the end; he could have never been the one to free Ymir.
das jus' silly bruv... consent? ay man das jus' childish...
It’s unbelievable that he believes Eren freed the pigs. It’s even crazier to think that he still would consider that good writing.
Eren creating the worlds hatred against eldians than him being angry about it is absolutely hilarious.
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also SeaTactitcs he also love manga ending over anime original ending which never happened
I actually like the ending, so I came into this in support of Sash thinking that saint would just be ignorant to Sash’s points & try to clown him….but Sash was literally not making any logical points at all…I checked out of the video as soon as he tried to argue that “reality is subjective” ☠️ 🤦🏾♂️. I did not expect this at all
6:04 Nonsense point about the Research Papers. You can bring anything you want that'll help in a debate, even on Anime. The problem is, did Shash bringing research papers actually help him in the debate? If not, he's dumb. If it did, he's smart. Simple As. You're humiliating yourself with such a stupid take. I'm guessing you're saying this for two reasons, an attack on Shash, and to claim, "It's an Anime, why are you taking it so seriously that you're bringing in Research Papers?!", this latter argument is very stupid cuz it can be used against you as well. If this doesn't matter, why make an hour-long video on two other people's debate? Because it matters and we're taking it seriously.
WIll you talk about any other topics shash talked about? The mikasa stuff and the other 3 "reasons" to do the rumbling?
I actually did say some stuff on what he says about Mikasa but I edited it out because the video was too long already and for his reasons on the rumbling I explain what he says they are and show the clip of him saying them
the number of ending haters will increase when anime 139 hits.
we can see new youtubers cover aot.
annie is closer to goofy cause annie quotes goofy's "i will do it again " line from the courtroom
These ending defenders are coping so fucking hard, attack on titan's ending literally re-con the whole story. Paradis gets nuked by the outside world, Eren died for nothing.
it’s retcon i hope yk😭
Odin why couldn't eren know that paradis destroyed wasn't he became a bird 😂
Chief and Odin are my GOATs
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53:12 💀
I thought the intro was just an exaggeration of Shazz and he just screwed up multiple times due to nervousness, but no, there is real delusion in all of the points presented.
A real slave + thinking they are not a slave in their head = not a slave? Bruh, that is not how reality works.
I've seen eds clowning us for having the same arguments, responses, and problems and answears to why chapter 139 is trash and that's why we are bad, because we can't come up with something new, we only repeat ourselves, it becomes boring, but this is the truth! We're showing them why it is trash and what are the problems! They exist and are facts! Facts cannot be changed and they remain the same! Of course we will repeat ourselves and try to open the eyes of someone with the same stuff. Those are the problems! We bring them to light! Eds, on the other hand, spew nonsense and headcanons or blow everything out of proportion and meaning just to suit them. This ain't a fact. It's self manipulation and brainwashing because, you know, author cannot do any wrong. We better repeat ourselves than be clowns and have different opinions and interpretations and in the end getting lost. And the truth is simple. The problems are simple and easy to see. The story is there, laid out for us, but no, headcanons are truth. Delusional interpretations are correct although the story is finished and doesn't support them. Bullsh*t.
If being "brought into the light" means I'm not allowed to enjoy something and have to be angry and miserable, then I don't want to be.
@@musictorin so what ur saying is you would rather turn to the comfy lie rather than the harsh truth 🤦♂️ u mfs are so sad man get out of that shitty comfort zone and face this ending for how shit it is dont delude urself into thinking this shit is good