By the Queen Mother’s logic, she shouldn’t have been allowed to marry a future Duke Of York, either. The screenwriters are inserting themselves into the story.
@@davidweihe6052 Legally the Queen Mum was the daughter of Claude Bowes-Lyon, 14th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne and (m. 1881) Cecilia Cavendish-Bentinck Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum was the birth daughter of an Earl Whether or not her mother was the Earl's wife or a cook. The Earl's wife was named as the mother and the Earl acknowledged her as his child born of his wife. No DNA testing back then.
@@myamdane6895 the majority of that time span that you are referencing is a time in which women were property, and Democracy was unspeakable. And back then you had people killing each other for the throne and then killing each other to keep it. And now the financial cost of keeping the system is such a burden to the taxpayer that it borders along the lines of parasitic. Should the king die before his time It will be another financial drain on the people for both his funeral and the coronation of William. After the taxpayer so recently paid for the funeral of her late Majesty and the coronation of the king himself. Neither of which were particularly cheap and at a time, we’re ordinary people were severely struggling. The Irish system has proven it is possible to have a non-partisan head of state that is elected, not appointed by birth, has the consent of the people to occupy the office, And that the office can be done at a substantially lower cost. This system (the monarchy) arguably ruined the lives of at least two generations of young people. Three if you include Margaret. Systems with that track record that are too costly, unelected, affectively powerless, and kept citing no reason other then antiquity, are more than asinine, they are obsolete. And could be described as a lot of things, growing strong is not one of them.
@@sanhcman666 Mountbatten assumed that by having Charles sent away that he might be available (at a later date) for his granddaughter. He was killed before he could go onto step #2 of his plan.
Great scene but untrue. Charles and Camilla were only casually dating. Camilla's choice for a husband was Andrew Parker Bowles. Charles was fun and nice but that's it. Charles wanted to concentrate on his Navel duties. He thought Camilla would be around not realizing she really wanted Andrew and she didn't want to be Queen. No one broke them up. She married Andrew who cheated on her though their dating and their entire marriage. Camilla later realized that Charles was a better man. Funny how they are all still friends. Andrew was at the Coronation and has been Queen Camilla's personal representative at a funeral. He's often escorting Princess Anne.
It's definitely an overly dramatic depiction but there is truth to it. Lord Mountbatten did discourage Charles from pursuing Camilla but it was because he wanted her to marry his second cousin Amanda Knatchbull and the Queen Mother did prefer him with one of the Spencer sisters.
It’s fictional history. Scenes like this are meant more to encapsulate rumors and feelings and conversations between multiple people in order to move the show forward.
>" [Charles] thought Camilla would be around"< Exactly! But (for whatever reason ... depicted or not depicted in "The Crown") Charles didn't realize that Camilla was under pressure to marry by society and (most likely) her family. Women, despite the Pill and the Sexual revolution in the late 1960's/ 1970's were still expected to marry and produce grandchildren by their parents and their grandparents.
The irony is that Camilla wasn't a problem, until royal busybodies made her a problem. Now I don't know how much truth there is to this scene, but just imagine if Charles had been allowed to marry her in the first place? That wedding really would have been the fairytale wedding. And Diana could have stayed an unknown lesser noble with an unknown husband.
@LaKellita1. Very well said but remember everything is timing. I think Camilla didn't inform Charles of her decision to marry Andrew Parker Bowles and Charles was crushed - he may have felt as if the carpet was pulled out from under him. And who would have known Diana or Megan or Kate or Hillary or Priscilla or Jackie or ... if these men didn't pluck them from the huge pile of other waiting women? Although, these women may have contributed to these men's lives they still ride on their husbands coattails. Interesting, because these same women were big supporters of ERA. You make a sensible point here in that the women I mentioned would have just gone on to marry other "unknown lesser noble men." This would have been a very bitter pill to swallow because all the women I mentioned have bigger egos than their husbands! 😂 LoL 🤣.
We would have a beloved Queen Consort, unmarred by the scandal of the 90s, a confident King, a likely less traumatized prince or princess of Wales. and I have no doubt that Lady Spencer would still be a household name, loved by all, a caring and compassionate philanthropist who works tirelessly for children worldwide.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc well, Kate and Meghan are not relevant here, because had Charles been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, William and Harry wouldn't actually exist, or at least not the version we have now. They would probably have had a happy childhood and not had it marred by losing their mother at an early age. They might have had more siblings. They likely wouldn't have a love hate relationship with the media, and probably would have been more confident. They probably would have made better choices for wives. As for Camilla not informing Charles of her decision, she may have been instructed not to. We don't know what she and her family were told.
I don’t think for a minute that the Queen leapt to Camilla’s defense. It was very important that Charles’s bride be, as they used to say, innocent. Camilla was a bit too shopworn goods. Charles went off to sea and learned that Camilla had married his best mate, Andrew Parker-Bowles, who incidentally had previously messed around with Princess Anne. Complicated, indeed. The irony here is that the aristocratic virgin who was chosen for Charles ended up being the “unstable element”.
@ marywenzel3199 Agree Diana was the unstable element. But Charles was never head over heels in love with her and she was too young for him. At 30 he was like an old man towards her! I think had Charles told his mother that he wanted to marry and was determined to ask Camilla to marry him. that he was ready to settle down and breed, his mother might have supported him. She would probably would have gotten along with Camilla [But then we would not have William 😒] According to some authors, Diana wasn't so innocent before her marriage. She certainly didn't waste any time getting several lovers as Her's and Charles' marriage denigrated. Of course after Charles and Diana's married, Charles didn't really give up Camilla (the boinking was interrupted for a few years;) But he was still calling her (or vice/versa) every day for years. While he was married to Diana Charles said that he got back with Camilla as lovers when his marriage to Diana went downhill. Andrew Parker-Bowles had been cheating on Camilla both before and after his marriage to her. But he didn't divorce her until her affair with Charles became public knowledge. If Diana hadn't spilled the beans on national TV. Andrew Parker Bowles probably would not have divorced Camilla. They had a rather jolly life together and it certainly would have been easier to keep on seducing other women rather than going through a divorce. During the time that Charles was having an affair with Camilla, he was being very generous to both Camilla and Andrew. (Just as Edward VII had been to Camilla's great-grandmother, Alice Keppel and her husband)
Women become unstable psychologically when their husbands do what Charles was doing. Being virgin has nothing to do with it. Camilla herself punctured all 4 tires of her husband’s parked car near the house of her friend he was cheating with.
That's how it was those days... an aristocrat marries another aristocrat , if they marry someone else, their children will not be Heir to the throne.Aristocrat are considered as pure blood. They want someone PURE to be the next king.
I am a devoted supporter of the late Diana, Princess of Wales, but I think that if Charles had been allowed to marry Camilla, it would have helped both him and Diana to avoid a painful romantic life😢
Exactly! He did stand for it. He could have told his mother right then and there that he was going to propose to Camilla! Rang her up and said come to (wherever he was) ASAP. Even if it is true that Uncle Louis and Granny made arrangements; Charles could have thrown a money wrench into it.
@@Seek1878 Never said it did. If life was like a Disney film Charles and Diana would have lived happily ever --- That marriage was a fairy tale. Reality: Charles was no prince charming. He was a petulant, entitled, spoilt, man-child. Who was too scared to stand up to his mother and grandmother. Reality: Diana was beautiful, but childish and foolish. Reality: Camilla was not a beautiful maiden being oppressed -- She (at the time) preferred Andrew over Charles (for whatever reasons) who married because it was what she was expected to do -- i.e. it was advantageous for her to do so. If nothing else; *Camilla knows how to* *play the game; she is cunning.* Diana was naive.
@@here_we_go_again2571 No, in a disney movie Charles and Camilla would have been happily married from the start. diana knew how to play the media and act the victim. Don't act like she was helpless lol, or not petulant and spoiled either.
I can't ever speak for the true historical accuracy of the show. I never was there. But as a story written, directed, and produced, I never had a character I despised more than the Queen Mother lol. I'll copy a comment I've seen elsewhere. A pencil breaks and she says in horror, "The abdication...."
Charles probably walked in their a bit hopeful that she knew what was going on because it would prove she keeps tabs on her kids romantic lives but nope. She knew nothing lol
I think the interference caused more damage than good. Charles and Camilla would have married and obviously stayed married and perhaps Diana would have found someone who legitimately loved her and she’d never have been in the position she was put in and subsequently died from. It’s all very sad. Lots of needless tragedy because people interfered in love.
If Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother and Lord Louis Mountbatten were still alive in 2005 which is the year Charles finally marries Camilla I'd strongly assume they would have to face and accept the reality. I don't know, I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure someone replying to my comment might say something else.
I think that’s why they waited until after the Queen Mother died. Similar to Elizabeth announcing after several others were dead and out of office that the family name to royals would be Mountbatten- Windsor after she already said their last name would be Windsor
@lordalessan yea but do you really think that would have been worse than the Diana situation 🤔. Be real, this was Queen Elizabeth's biggest failure. She should have let the relationship take its natural course.
Camilla... or should I say Queen Tampax, was a player and would have gotten into other men with Charles joining in the fun... Royal Orgies were happening in the 1960's & 70's but they were all kept hush, hush... Oh My!
I wish with all my heart and soul that Camilla had stayed far away and that Diana had been given a fair chance...less stress, more passion, more affection. She would have returned it to Charles in spades. So sad and offensive that a common divorcè with a serious drinking problem is now our "queen" consort
@jeffreymcgee604 I totally agree. Less stress first and foremost followed by warmth, affection, respect and NO JEALOUSY! Being jealous of your partners popularity is pretty sick!
He actually didn’t stand for it which is the only reason I have a sliver of respect for Charles. He never really wanted to be with Diana. He stayed loyal to Camilla all those years, waiting for her. The man of every woman’s dreams.
@@ILookLikeDrakeSoYeah Well said!! Charles was emotionally and mentally abused by the devious Diana! Due to her immaturity and wild tantrums she was unfit for the position of princess of Wales and not the least bit compatible with Charles. Diana often spoke about mental health and yet Diana herself never remained with her therapist from what I read. I also read that Diana gave speeches on anti bullying and behind the palace doors Diana was probably the biggest bully in the royal family!
@ Asianbrat and @ ems901 Both Charles and Diana abused each other -- OR at the very least, they were unable to "see the forest for the trees" and were at odds with each other, incompatible, etc.. BOTH Diana and Charles cheated on each other! There were MORE THAN 3 PEOPLE in that marriage!
Charles DIDN'T stand for this negative treatment of Camilla. He really pounded the queen to get him out of the marriage to "Lady" Diana - Charles pushed for Camilla and obviously they married after so many years of disapproval. It's hurtful knowing that Charles is the head of the Anglican Church though and now he himself is a divorced man. But I also know that no one would admit to Diana being abusive and cruel to Charles. Charles should have dated Diana longer and he would have seen how deeply disturbed Diana was. Where was the outcry back then when Diana was too young to marry? Most people blame Charles. Nobody forced Diana to marry him!! According to family and friends Diana was determined to become Princess of Wales and eventually queen. Diana was emotionally unstable and unfit for the duties of the royal family. Diana wanted titles and palaces and fame and money and balcony appearances and clothes and jewelry and vacations and notoriety and prestige and financial stability and.... But did Diana ever want Charles? If Charles was a butcher or a baker or a candle stick maker would Diana have married Charles?
He stood for it because they had more power over him. Thirty years later it would have been ridiculous to tell a man at sixty whom he could marry. The only problem afterwards was Camilla's future rank, whether she would be a queen consort or a princess consort.
"Unpredictable elements" / "dangerous elements" 🤣 *Then all of her grandchildren* (but the so-called "runt of the litter" who did not finish his military training and whom was made an Earl, not a Duke when he married) *within years, marry people whom they divorce!* (or in Fergie's case was forced to divorce-- Prince Philip's demands) Fergie and Andrew seem to have had an open marriage and later an open relationship for many years.
In reality, Charles was who they cared about who he married as he was birthing the heir and spare. They would have cared more if William hadn’t been born yet at the time of Andrew’s marriage. At Edward’s, no one carried since there were they had William, Harry, and the York princesses. From my understanding Edward asked if he could be made an earl and receive Philip’s dukedom.
I adore how the Queen knows whenever plotting is afoot who to look for: Get Mummy and Lord Mountbatten....
In the plotting departement, they are just like Livia and Uncle Junior in The Sopranos.
"That's not a question" - perfect.
The queen, mother: system is too fragile…
Me: usually a good sign that the system isn’t working if ever it did.
By the Queen Mother’s logic, she shouldn’t have been allowed to marry a future Duke Of York, either. The screenwriters are inserting themselves into the story.
@@davidweihe6052 doesn’t matter, the system doesn’t work.
@@davidweihe6052
Legally the Queen Mum was the
daughter of Claude Bowes-Lyon,
14th Earl of Strathmore and
Kinghorne and (m. 1881) Cecilia
Cavendish-Bentinck
Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum
was the birth daughter of an Earl
Whether or not her mother was
the Earl's wife or a cook. The Earl's
wife was named as the mother
and the Earl acknowledged her
as his child born of his wife.
No DNA testing back then.
@@antmagorIf it doesn’t work pray tell why it’s been around for 1200 years and still going?
@@myamdane6895 the majority of that time span that you are referencing is a time in which women were property, and Democracy was unspeakable. And back then you had people killing each other for the throne and then killing each other to keep it. And now the financial cost of keeping the system is such a burden to the taxpayer that it borders along the lines of parasitic. Should the king die before his time It will be another financial drain on the people for both his funeral and the coronation of William. After the taxpayer so recently paid for the funeral of her late Majesty and the coronation of the king himself. Neither of which were particularly cheap and at a time, we’re ordinary people were severely struggling. The Irish system has proven it is possible to have a non-partisan head of state that is elected, not appointed by birth, has the consent of the people to occupy the office, And that the office can be done at a substantially lower cost. This system (the monarchy) arguably ruined the lives of at least two generations of young people. Three if you include Margaret. Systems with that track record that are too costly, unelected, affectively powerless, and kept citing no reason other then antiquity, are more than asinine, they are obsolete. And could be described as a lot of things, growing strong is not one of them.
Now we know who separated them. Tywin Lannister, of course!
He didnt do a good job.
I mean, the pilot of Margaret was sent to other country i think.
But camilla was a neighbor LMFAO.
@@sanhcman666
Mountbatten assumed that by having
Charles sent away that he might be
available (at a later date) for his
granddaughter. He was killed before
he could go onto step #2 of his plan.
@@here_we_go_again2571his grand daughter refused to go along with his plan.
Game of Thrones was based on British history.
@ Scottish history, the Black Dinner (and the Massacre of Glencoe in AD 1692) featured as the red wedding
The way Martin's head pops in right the same second the Queen calls for him xD cracked me up,
Everyone’s acting is superb
1:41 - 1:53 😂
You can tell here, The Queen was very upset! I love it!
What it did was only flare their relationship up..and it continued for 30+ years before they got married...
Lord only knows what would have happened if children came from the relationship 😂
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 im surprised with all of that hooking up she didn't have kids 😅
Great scene but untrue. Charles and Camilla were only casually dating. Camilla's choice for a husband was Andrew Parker Bowles. Charles was fun and nice but that's it. Charles wanted to concentrate on his Navel duties. He thought Camilla would be around not realizing she really wanted Andrew and she didn't want to be Queen. No one broke them up. She married Andrew who cheated on her though their dating and their entire marriage. Camilla later realized that Charles was a better man. Funny how they are all still friends. Andrew was at the Coronation and has been Queen Camilla's personal representative at a funeral. He's often escorting Princess Anne.
It's definitely an overly dramatic depiction but there is truth to it. Lord Mountbatten did discourage Charles from pursuing Camilla but it was because he wanted her to marry his second cousin Amanda Knatchbull and the Queen Mother did prefer him with one of the Spencer sisters.
It’s fictional history. Scenes like this are meant more to encapsulate rumors and feelings and conversations between multiple people in order to move the show forward.
She’s no queen
In real life Charles didn't want to marry - he famously said so. He only wanted to get his end in. Lust, not love.
>" [Charles] thought Camilla would be around"<
Exactly!
But (for whatever reason ... depicted or not
depicted in "The Crown") Charles didn't realize that Camilla was under pressure to marry by society and (most likely) her family.
Women, despite the Pill and the Sexual revolution in the late 1960's/ 1970's were
still expected to marry and produce grandchildren by their parents and their
grandparents.
The irony is that Camilla wasn't a problem, until royal busybodies made her a problem. Now I don't know how much truth there is to this scene, but just imagine if Charles had been allowed to marry her in the first place? That wedding really would have been the fairytale wedding. And Diana could have stayed an unknown lesser noble with an unknown husband.
@LaKellita1. Very well said but remember everything is timing. I think Camilla didn't inform Charles of her decision to marry Andrew Parker Bowles and Charles was crushed - he may have felt as if the carpet was pulled out from under him. And who would have known Diana or Megan or Kate or Hillary or Priscilla or Jackie or ... if these men didn't pluck them from the huge pile of other waiting women? Although, these women may have contributed to these men's lives they still ride on their husbands coattails. Interesting, because these same women were big supporters of ERA. You make a sensible point here in that the women I mentioned would have just gone on to marry other "unknown lesser noble men." This would have been a very bitter pill to swallow because all the women I mentioned have bigger egos than their husbands! 😂 LoL 🤣.
We would have a beloved Queen Consort, unmarred by the scandal of the 90s, a confident King, a likely less traumatized prince or princess of Wales. and I have no doubt that Lady Spencer would still be a household name, loved by all, a caring and compassionate philanthropist who works tirelessly for children worldwide.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc well, Kate and Meghan are not relevant here, because had Charles been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, William and Harry wouldn't actually exist, or at least not the version we have now. They would probably have had a happy childhood and not had it marred by losing their mother at an early age. They might have had more siblings. They likely wouldn't have a love hate relationship with the media, and probably would have been more confident. They probably would have made better choices for wives. As for Camilla not informing Charles of her decision, she may have been instructed not to. We don't know what she and her family were told.
She wouldn't have been as popular because she wasn't a young, beautiful Disney princess virgin. But I think they would.have been happier
Camilla was always a problem and is still a problem - full stop
Still not a question!!
Mum did not play!!?
Josh O'Conner is by far in the top 5 best actors in the world. He is amazing in this role playing Charles.
I don’t think for a minute that the Queen leapt to Camilla’s defense. It was very important that Charles’s bride be, as they used to say, innocent. Camilla was a bit too shopworn goods. Charles went off to sea and learned that Camilla had married his best mate, Andrew Parker-Bowles, who incidentally had previously messed around with Princess Anne. Complicated, indeed. The irony here is that the aristocratic virgin who was chosen for Charles ended up being the “unstable element”.
The firm and the Ill treatment she got from Charles and Camilla drove Diana to have emotional issues
@ marywenzel3199
Agree Diana was the unstable element.
But Charles was never head over heels
in love with her and she was too young
for him. At 30 he was like an old man
towards her!
I think had Charles told his mother that
he wanted to marry and was determined
to ask Camilla to marry him. that he was ready
to settle down and breed, his mother might
have supported him. She would probably
would have gotten along with Camilla
[But then we would not have William 😒]
According to some authors, Diana wasn't
so innocent before her marriage. She
certainly didn't waste any time getting
several lovers as Her's and Charles'
marriage denigrated.
Of course after Charles and Diana's
married, Charles didn't really give
up Camilla (the boinking was interrupted
for a few years;) But he was still calling
her (or vice/versa) every day for years.
While he was married to Diana
Charles said that he got back with Camilla
as lovers when his marriage to Diana went
downhill.
Andrew Parker-Bowles had been cheating
on Camilla both before and after his marriage
to her. But he didn't divorce her until her
affair with Charles became public knowledge.
If Diana hadn't spilled the beans on national
TV. Andrew Parker Bowles probably would
not have divorced Camilla. They had a
rather jolly life together and it certainly
would have been easier to keep on seducing
other women rather than going through
a divorce.
During the time that Charles was having
an affair with Camilla, he was being
very generous to both Camilla and
Andrew. (Just as Edward VII had been
to Camilla's great-grandmother, Alice
Keppel and her husband)
Don't speak ill of dead people please 🥺
Women become unstable psychologically when their husbands do what Charles was doing. Being virgin has nothing to do with it. Camilla herself punctured all 4 tires of her husband’s parked car near the house of her friend he was cheating with.
That's how it was those days... an aristocrat marries another aristocrat , if they marry someone else, their children will not be Heir to the throne.Aristocrat are considered as pure blood. They want someone PURE to be the next king.
I am a devoted supporter of the late Diana, Princess of Wales, but I think that if Charles had been allowed to marry Camilla, it would have helped both him and Diana to avoid a painful romantic life😢
Then he did stand for it
Exactly!
He did stand for it.
He could have told his
mother right then and
there that he was going
to propose to Camilla!
Rang her up and said
come to (wherever he
was) ASAP.
Even if it is true that
Uncle Louis and Granny
made arrangements;
Charles could have thrown
a money wrench into it.
@@here_we_go_again2571 Life doesn't work like Disney.
@@Seek1878
Never said it did.
If life was like a Disney film Charles and
Diana would have lived happily ever ---
That marriage was a fairy tale.
Reality:
Charles was no prince charming. He was
a petulant, entitled, spoilt, man-child.
Who was too scared to stand up to his
mother and grandmother.
Reality:
Diana was beautiful, but childish and
foolish.
Reality:
Camilla was not a beautiful maiden
being oppressed -- She (at the time)
preferred Andrew over Charles (for
whatever reasons) who married because
it was what she was expected to do -- i.e.
it was advantageous for her to do so.
If nothing else; *Camilla knows how to*
*play the game; she is cunning.* Diana
was naive.
@@here_we_go_again2571 No, in a disney movie Charles and Camilla would have been happily married from the start.
diana knew how to play the media and act the victim. Don't act like she was helpless lol, or not petulant and spoiled either.
I can't ever speak for the true historical accuracy of the show. I never was there. But as a story written, directed, and produced, I never had a character I despised more than the Queen Mother lol. I'll copy a comment I've seen elsewhere. A pencil breaks and she says in horror, "The abdication...."
Charles probably walked in their a bit hopeful that she knew what was going on because it would prove she keeps tabs on her kids romantic lives but nope. She knew nothing lol
She knew who was behind it. And in RL she likely knew more.
The series was difficult to watch, always filmed in dark, smokey rooms....their quarters are not that gloomy...
oh come on what a tease!
I think the interference caused more damage than good. Charles and Camilla would have married and obviously stayed married and perhaps Diana would have found someone who legitimately loved her and she’d never have been in the position she was put in and subsequently died from. It’s all very sad. Lots of needless tragedy because people interfered in love.
2.33 is the most hypocritical line uttered in this entire series.
Seeing how Camilla is Queen now with Charles... what a sad waste of time this all was
If Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother and Lord Louis Mountbatten were still alive in 2005 which is the year Charles finally marries Camilla I'd strongly assume they would have to face and accept the reality.
I don't know, I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure someone replying to my comment might say something else.
I think that’s why they waited until after the Queen Mother died. Similar to Elizabeth announcing after several others were dead and out of office that the family name to royals would be Mountbatten- Windsor after she already said their last name would be Windsor
Imagine everything the royal family would have spared themselves and Diana if they let Charles marry Camilla.
Now they are painting Camilla white, as snow!!! Oh Diana is the Original wife to Charles if you like it or not.
Diana, was the original - yes, but obviously, not Charles's favorite...
No sweetie just everyone has moved on
because she is
She’s dead.
@@richardbrown6163 Most certainly not! This harlot is disliked by a vast majority of people
Honestly, they should have let Charles marry Camilla Parker-Bowles from the beginning.
Even if they did, Andrew was still very much in the picture and there would've three in that marriage.
@@bricktamAnne was right.... as usual.
Really agree with you
@lordalessan yea but do you really think that would have been worse than the Diana situation 🤔. Be real, this was Queen Elizabeth's biggest failure. She should have let the relationship take its natural course.
Camilla... or should I say Queen Tampax, was a player and would have gotten into other men with Charles joining in the fun... Royal Orgies were happening in the 1960's & 70's but they were all kept hush, hush... Oh My!
I wish with all my heart and soul that Camilla had stayed far away and that Diana had been given a fair chance...less stress, more passion, more affection. She would have returned it to Charles in spades. So sad and offensive that a common divorcè with a serious drinking problem is now our "queen" consort
How do you know she has a drinking problem?
@petraschwingeler9688 She had a smoking problem though!
A Tramp wearing a Crown 👑
@jeffreymcgee604 I totally agree. Less stress first and foremost followed by warmth, affection, respect and NO JEALOUSY! Being jealous of your partners popularity is pretty sick!
Oh please. They had nothing in common and it was basically an arranged marriage. It was never going to work.
Not “intact “?
Camilla certainly wasn’t.
He actually didn’t stand for it which is the only reason I have a sliver of respect for Charles. He never really wanted to be with Diana. He stayed loyal to Camilla all those years, waiting for her. The man of every woman’s dreams.
Ya as he abused the poor girl who didn’t deserve it. A man of any girls dreams….
@@ems901 yeah but he was being abused and forced into something he didn’t want. He made it very clear to Diana that he loved Camilla.
@@ILookLikeDrakeSoYeah Well said!! Charles was emotionally and mentally abused by the devious Diana! Due to her immaturity and wild tantrums she was unfit for the position of princess of Wales and not the least bit compatible with Charles. Diana often spoke about mental health and yet Diana herself never remained with her therapist from what I read. I also read that Diana gave speeches on anti bullying and behind the palace doors Diana was probably the biggest bully in the royal family!
He is a shameful man. Camillia loved him so much that he married the next creature in pants.
@ Asianbrat
and @ ems901
Both Charles and Diana
abused each other -- OR
at the very least, they
were unable to "see the
forest for the trees" and
were at odds with each
other, incompatible, etc..
BOTH Diana and Charles
cheated on each other!
There were MORE THAN
3 PEOPLE in that marriage!
BLAH BLAH BLAH
He says he won't stand for it but yet he did, what a wuss
Charles DIDN'T stand for this negative treatment of Camilla. He really pounded the queen to get him out of the marriage to "Lady" Diana - Charles pushed for Camilla and obviously they married after so many years of disapproval. It's hurtful knowing that Charles is the head of the Anglican Church though and now he himself is a divorced man. But I also know that no one would admit to Diana being abusive and cruel to Charles. Charles should have dated Diana longer and he would have seen how deeply disturbed Diana was. Where was the outcry back then when Diana was too young to marry? Most people blame Charles. Nobody forced Diana to marry him!! According to family and friends Diana was determined to become Princess of Wales and eventually queen. Diana was emotionally unstable and unfit for the duties of the royal family. Diana wanted titles and palaces and fame and money and balcony appearances and clothes and jewelry and vacations and notoriety and prestige and financial stability and.... But did Diana ever want Charles? If Charles was a butcher or a baker or a candle stick maker would Diana have married Charles?
He stood for it because they had more power over him. Thirty years later it would have been ridiculous to tell a man at sixty whom he could marry. The only problem afterwards was Camilla's future rank, whether she would be a queen consort or a princess consort.
@@reginadoggett9921 well she is a Queen Consort now
He had no choice. The RF is a prison.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jchow do you know Diana was cruel to Charles?
"Unpredictable elements" / "dangerous elements" 🤣
*Then all of her grandchildren* (but the so-called "runt of the litter" who did not finish his military training and whom was made an Earl,
not a Duke when he married) *within years, marry people whom they divorce!* (or in Fergie's case was forced to divorce-- Prince Philip's demands) Fergie and Andrew seem to have had an open marriage and later an open relationship for many years.
In reality, Charles was who they cared about who he married as he was birthing the heir and spare. They would have cared more if William hadn’t been born yet at the time of Andrew’s marriage. At Edward’s, no one carried since there were they had William, Harry, and the York princesses. From my understanding Edward asked if he could be made an earl and receive Philip’s dukedom.
F’k the crown!
Love Charles brilliant man excellent KING 👑 ❤
You have great jokes. :)
Which Charles are you talking about? I don't recognise the King from your description.
Actually, Camilla is the most stable of all the senior royal children (in laws).