Signature Solar’s link to the new lifepower battery. signaturesolar.com/eg4-lifepower4-v2-lithium-battery-48v-100ah-server-rack-battery-ul1973-ul9540a-10-year-warranty/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwz7C2BhDkARIsAA_SZKbax1Da8pm35dh8pqVf3Uhsg7fOWZnRTHAzh0A5WIHpLiscNOC5Aj4aAsS4EALw_wcB&hsa_acc=6010647758&hsa_ad=&hsa_cam=17631500090&hsa_grp=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_ver=3&ref=mpmddlkx6M9tPo&setCurrencyId=1&sku=1511105&PMax%3A%20Shopping_Smart_Brands& Current Connected’s link to the battery. www.currentconnected.com/product/eg4-lifepower4-lithium-battery-48v-100ah-server-rack-battery-ul1973-ul9540a/?ref=xhJJBPDS
Good breakdown on the features and updates. Keep up the great work, Gavin! I see you've blown past 24K subscribers. And I knew you back before you were a star! Congrats, amigo - you've earned it.
GREAT video and explanation of these V2 batteries. I have six of the V1's and they have been running non-stop since Feb, 2023. I like that open mesh rack...wish I had that version.
Thanks. You do nice work. EG4's whole lineup has changed a lot in the last year. Almost every product is new or improved. Makes me wonder what new products they have coming down the pipeline. Come winter, we will be buying a big inverter and big battery.
They do keep improving things for sure. I would say just keep your eye out. Sometimes it’s hard to decide when to get on the ride because you don’t want to make the wrong choice. That’s one good thing about these products. Most of the innovation is geared towards making things easier, while at the same time being compatible with the previous generation of gear.
You answered every question I had about these vs LL and the chargeverter. Being new to off grid/battery stuff, I thought the specialized rs45 connection was stupid when standard Ethernet has been tried and true for decades. Thanks!
Looks like some very nice changes! They solved most of the annoyances I've had with my set of original lifepower4 batteries. Easier firmware updates, double terminals, bigger bus bar connection cables, folding handles, slots instead of holes on the mounting brackets... Nice work EG4, really appreciate the effort here to improve the battery. The only thing I'd still love to see would be internal heating 🙏
Thanks Gavin! What about that comm cable so V1 and V2 can communicate? Looks like you stripped back outer sheath and prolly just snipped brown and brown/white? Pins 7 and 8 on a Cat 5, 5e or 6 cable should be the same pinout, correct?
I snipped all but the 7-8. So that’s brown white and brown you need. Yes the pinout should be the same on those. The manual does explain it also. The online guide is better.
@@GavinStoneDIY Ah disregard my other comment, so you only need pins 7 and 8, and that's all? I must just be slow b/c I've looked in the manual and the parallel setup guide and don't see anything about changed pinouts for the batt comms jumper cable. Although there's some stuff about RSD which is hard to parse but perhaps is what is being talked about. Thanks. Edit - I think I had the wrong manual version, I found the section that shows pinout now, and it just says 7 and 8 for both v1 and v2 apparently, so that was the big thing I was missing. Glad you set me down the right track. Much appreciated. Liked and subscribed.
I think it says a lot that EG4 is working to design backwards compatibility into new products so they can be added to already existing systems. Some companies Intentionally don’t do this to force you into scrapping your existing products to buy new ones. Quite an improvement over the V1 model! 👍
Yeah I meant to mention this in the video. The build quality and design of the battery is solid. But also the work they’ve put into it to make it compatible with older models is impressive. Like you pointed out, it’s not necessarily something they had to do. But it’s going the extra mile.
That may be something they can manage. At this point I don’t believe that’s possible. Although I get your point, in basically every other way they’ve made these new units compatible with the old. So I suppose there is always going to be some type of constraint as you continue to improve and innovate.
Yeah they are still great batteries. It’s the way of things really. There will always be newer versions of things and improvements. But we have to jump into the game at some point.
@@GavinStoneDIY I have learned during the past 25 years when I started my house generator, that do your research, make your plan and then lay some money down to implement it. Put it together and do an after action review to see how things work. Correct mistakes and repeat overtime.
Good info Gavin, that was the first big question is would they communicate with the older versions, and you proved that they will. But what are all of the advantages of incorporating this new version as your primary with an older stack.
CAN communication is faster. So technically you’ll get your battery data slightly quicker. For some people that may not matter as much. Coms with the new chargverter would be another plus. You wouldn’t need a communication hub. I guess those would be the main things that stand out to me.
The battery cells? They are welded. It’s rare to see a bolted on cell. And honestly the failure rate is so low on individual cells I don’t see the need.
Thanks for the review. I have four of the older lifepower4 and it seems rinky dink to have to cut a cord to get them to talk. btw there is a typo in your header Liferpower4 ...notice the r?
Thanks for the heads up on the extra R. You don’t really have to cut a cord like I did. I just hadn’t gotten my crimper yet. You can crimp a new head on. Or I imagine the suppliers will probably be carrying the new cables for this.
@@fo4imtippin yeah some of the outdoor models shipped before they came out with the newer firmware. That firmware also allowed RSD in the batteries now as well.
Brother thats a good price.. Do u know if they can be watched with home assistant. Im building our bigger cabin and putting tablets in the wall and want to watch everything... Keep it up brother
Just FYI to those that that own the original EG4 3000 AIO (yellow inverter), battery communications does not work properly with these V2 batteries. I've been in talks with SS Tech support and currently they've confirmed this issue and are looking to possibly update the firmware. I've tried the cable mod presented on this video but it still does not recognize the pack using the battery hub with r485 communications running the v1.12 firmware. I'm going to do a few tests with the BMS Test software and see if the 1/2 pinouts will work with the V2 batteries but so far I have not been successful at integrating this into my pack because of the communications issue with the inverter. My setup: EG4 3000 AIO V1 EG4 LP4 V2 EG4 LP4 V1 EG4 LP4 V1 I do have the EG4 Hub that works perfectly fine with the V1s running v1.12.
Yeah I’ve seen them make an announcement about this. I’ve gotten the coms to work between 3k and the V2. The first time I tried it wasn’t difficult. Then when I checked again it didn’t connect. I finally was able to replicate it quite a few times. But it did take some work. I had to keep cycling through the dip switches.
Oh man you skipped the thing I was wanting to see lol - exactly why does using it with a v1 cause the v2 to alarm? What pins need to be present, vs absent, on the cat6-like cable? I can't figure this out and the manual just says "put protoocol dips 5 and 6 to down to use with a v1", which of course doesn't work, it just shuts off. If you don't mind, can you share more about that v2 v1 shutoff issue? I've got a v2 and v1 sitting in my rack and not able to be used until I figure this out. Thanks! Great video btw!
I thought I added that? I’ll have to check the video now. I made my own cable. Pins 7-8 are the wire you keep on the Ethernet cable. The other pins in the cable 3-5 are for CAN communication. And those cause the tripping. So either make your own. Or clip all but 7-8 out of the coms cable that came with it.
Signature Solar’s link to the new lifepower battery.
signaturesolar.com/eg4-lifepower4-v2-lithium-battery-48v-100ah-server-rack-battery-ul1973-ul9540a-10-year-warranty/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwz7C2BhDkARIsAA_SZKbax1Da8pm35dh8pqVf3Uhsg7fOWZnRTHAzh0A5WIHpLiscNOC5Aj4aAsS4EALw_wcB&hsa_acc=6010647758&hsa_ad=&hsa_cam=17631500090&hsa_grp=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_ver=3&ref=mpmddlkx6M9tPo&setCurrencyId=1&sku=1511105&PMax%3A%20Shopping_Smart_Brands&
Current Connected’s link to the battery.
www.currentconnected.com/product/eg4-lifepower4-lithium-battery-48v-100ah-server-rack-battery-ul1973-ul9540a/?ref=xhJJBPDS
Thanks!
I really appreciate that!
Good breakdown on the features and updates. Keep up the great work, Gavin! I see you've blown past 24K subscribers. And I knew you back before you were a star! Congrats, amigo - you've earned it.
Thank you sir! You were actually a sub before I even had 600 subscribers. And somehow you’ve hung in there!
thanks for the video, i passed this vid to my son who has 3 V1 - as money comes in, he gets another one over time
Sure thing! Thanks for watching
GREAT video and explanation of these V2 batteries. I have six of the V1's and they have been running non-stop since Feb, 2023. I like that open mesh rack...wish I had that version.
Thanks. Yeah this was the second version of the cabinet they sold. They switched to the solid door soon after.
Thanks for comparing the two. Looks like some great additions to the updated version of the LifePower battery.
Yeah it has solid improvements
Thanks. You do nice work. EG4's whole lineup has changed a lot in the last year. Almost every product is new or improved. Makes me wonder what new products they have coming down the pipeline. Come winter, we will be buying a big inverter and big battery.
They do keep improving things for sure. I would say just keep your eye out.
Sometimes it’s hard to decide when to get on the ride because you don’t want to make the wrong choice. That’s one good thing about these products. Most of the innovation is geared towards making things easier, while at the same time being compatible with the previous generation of gear.
Good review
You answered every question I had about these vs LL and the chargeverter. Being new to off grid/battery stuff, I thought the specialized rs45 connection was stupid when standard Ethernet has been tried and true for decades. Thanks!
(0:34) Nope. It's right around 5120 Whr or 5.12 KWhr. Says so right on the front panel!
Clearly I misspoke.
At 9:34 you show battery detail on the monitoring site. How did you get to that screen? Is that avail for the 6000xp also?
It is yes. I showed the same detail in the video with the XP charging the battery from solar.
monitor.eg4electronics.com/WManage/web/login
Another great review, keep up the great work! There's only one thing missing from the review / test. ;)
You want me to burn this battery? 🔥 heck no!
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Great video with good information!
Thanks you! I appreciate that.
Looks like some very nice changes! They solved most of the annoyances I've had with my set of original lifepower4 batteries. Easier firmware updates, double terminals, bigger bus bar connection cables, folding handles, slots instead of holes on the mounting brackets... Nice work EG4, really appreciate the effort here to improve the battery. The only thing I'd still love to see would be internal heating 🙏
Yeah internal heating is actually a nice feature. Both of the pro batteries have that. But the smaller rack batteries don’t yet.
excellent review....super detail....thanks!
Thanks for watching
Make your own cable same straight through 568b color codes, but delete pin 6 green wire. Worked fine for me LL battery to old lifepower 4.
The manual describes the pinout numbers that are needed yeah.
Communication with both at the same time would be fantastic. That will be the situation that I'm in if/when I purchase a v2.
Yeah I figured it would be a fairly common situation. So I’ll keep everyone posted on what I hear.
It’s supposed to. Not sure how the RSD works with that
Thanks Gavin! What about that comm cable so V1 and V2 can communicate? Looks like you stripped back outer sheath and prolly just snipped brown and brown/white? Pins 7 and 8 on a Cat 5, 5e or 6 cable should be the same pinout, correct?
I snipped all but the 7-8. So that’s brown white and brown you need.
Yes the pinout should be the same on those. The manual does explain it also. The online guide is better.
@@GavinStoneDIY Ah disregard my other comment, so you only need pins 7 and 8, and that's all? I must just be slow b/c I've looked in the manual and the parallel setup guide and don't see anything about changed pinouts for the batt comms jumper cable. Although there's some stuff about RSD which is hard to parse but perhaps is what is being talked about. Thanks.
Edit - I think I had the wrong manual version, I found the section that shows pinout now, and it just says 7 and 8 for both v1 and v2 apparently, so that was the big thing I was missing. Glad you set me down the right track. Much appreciated. Liked and subscribed.
I think it says a lot that EG4 is working to design backwards compatibility into new products so they can be added to already existing systems. Some companies Intentionally don’t do this to force you into scrapping your existing products to buy new ones. Quite an improvement over the V1 model! 👍
Yeah I meant to mention this in the video. The build quality and design of the battery is solid. But also the work they’ve put into it to make it compatible with older models is impressive. Like you pointed out, it’s not necessarily something they had to do. But it’s going the extra mile.
Does orientation of LFP cells matter inside the pack ? Can i lay it in vertical position or has to be on the wide face/side as if it is in the rack ?
Usually with packs like this you can position them any way you like except upside down.
It seems like the rss needs to shut down the older version battery for it to be useful.
That may be something they can manage. At this point I don’t believe that’s possible.
Although I get your point, in basically every other way they’ve made these new units compatible with the old. So I suppose there is always going to be some type of constraint as you continue to improve and innovate.
Figures, I ordered my inverter and original Lifepower4 batteries like a month before these came out. Oh well, they're still good batteries.
Yeah they are still great batteries. It’s the way of things really. There will always be newer versions of things and improvements. But we have to jump into the game at some point.
@@GavinStoneDIY I have learned during the past 25 years when I started my house generator, that do your research, make your plan and then lay some money down to implement it. Put it together and do an after action review to see how things work. Correct mistakes and repeat overtime.
Wise words!
Can you guys make unit like these that can run your household appliances?
This is a battery. You’d need an inverter coupled with this to run your household appliances.
can you see what is the make and model of the cells and the bms?
Good info Gavin, that was the first big question is would they communicate with the older versions, and you proved that they will. But what are all of the advantages of incorporating this new version as your primary with an older stack.
CAN communication is faster. So technically you’ll get your battery data slightly quicker. For some people that may not matter as much. Coms with the new chargverter would be another plus. You wouldn’t need a communication hub.
I guess those would be the main things that stand out to me.
Can you replace individual batteries if need it or they are welded? Thanks.
The battery cells? They are welded. It’s rare to see a bolted on cell. And honestly the failure rate is so low on individual cells I don’t see the need.
With the 2 new V2 batteries, can 2 of them be wired in parallel or do you have to use a cabinet with the buss bar?
You can wire 2 in parallel yes. Busbars can definitely help keep things balanced the larger the battery bank gets though.
I am worried about mixing this new one with my existing V1s. Are they fully compatible with the v1?
I don't want to create any firmware conflicts.
No firmware conflicts that I’ve seen. They are fully compatible. In fact they were designed with that in mind.
Thanks for the review. I have four of the older lifepower4 and it seems rinky dink to have to cut a cord to get them to talk. btw there is a typo in your header Liferpower4 ...notice the r?
Thanks for the heads up on the extra R.
You don’t really have to cut a cord like I did. I just hadn’t gotten my crimper yet. You can crimp a new head on. Or I imagine the suppliers will probably be carrying the new cables for this.
What firmware is your 12kpv on? I cannot see the extended battery settings for my power pro like you can.
I believe it’s 1B1B. Do you have your lithium setting on #1?
@@GavinStoneDIY I'm on 1b1c. And lithium type set to 1. Wonder if my PowerPro has old firmware, I haven't updated that.
@@fo4imtippin the indoor models came with the latest firmware I think. You’re looking on the app or monitor site?
@@GavinStoneDIY so I reached out to currentconnected and i have a powerpro outdoor and have to update the battery firmware to see this.
@@fo4imtippin yeah some of the outdoor models shipped before they came out with the newer firmware. That firmware also allowed RSD in the batteries now as well.
Brother thats a good price.. Do u know if they can be watched with home assistant. Im building our bigger cabin and putting tablets in the wall and want to watch everything... Keep it up brother
I’m not sure on the home assistant aspect. I know people that use it. But I haven’t studied into that much.
Just FYI to those that that own the original EG4 3000 AIO (yellow inverter), battery communications does not work properly with these V2 batteries.
I've been in talks with SS Tech support and currently they've confirmed this issue and are looking to possibly update the firmware.
I've tried the cable mod presented on this video but it still does not recognize the pack using the battery hub with r485 communications running the v1.12 firmware.
I'm going to do a few tests with the BMS Test software and see if the 1/2 pinouts will work with the V2 batteries but so far I have not been successful at integrating this into my pack because of the communications issue with the inverter.
My setup:
EG4 3000 AIO V1
EG4 LP4 V2
EG4 LP4 V1
EG4 LP4 V1
I do have the EG4 Hub that works perfectly fine with the V1s running v1.12.
Yeah I’ve seen them make an announcement about this.
I’ve gotten the coms to work between 3k and the V2. The first time I tried it wasn’t difficult. Then when I checked again it didn’t connect. I finally was able to replicate it quite a few times. But it did take some work. I had to keep cycling through the dip switches.
Oh man you skipped the thing I was wanting to see lol - exactly why does using it with a v1 cause the v2 to alarm? What pins need to be present, vs absent, on the cat6-like cable? I can't figure this out and the manual just says "put protoocol dips 5 and 6 to down to use with a v1", which of course doesn't work, it just shuts off.
If you don't mind, can you share more about that v2 v1 shutoff issue? I've got a v2 and v1 sitting in my rack and not able to be used until I figure this out. Thanks! Great video btw!
I thought I added that? I’ll have to check the video now. I made my own cable. Pins 7-8 are the wire you keep on the Ethernet cable.
The other pins in the cable 3-5 are for CAN communication. And those cause the tripping. So either make your own. Or clip all but 7-8 out of the coms cable that came with it.
Where i purchase one
I have some links in the comments, and description.
At 16:22, did you say 12K XP??? 🧐
Did I? Hmmm
Clearly a mix up. He was standing in front of the 12Kpv which is mounted next to a 6000XP
It is supposed to talk to V1
Yes indeed. And all the other models of 48v EG4 batteries. Aside from the WP model that is.
@13:11 .. dude, use your LEGS not your back.
Haha. Yeah I know. I’ve spent my whole life in construction. So that’s sort of a running joke.
😅😅
51.2kwh... really?
Clearly he misspoke...
I misspoke.
We all wish.
With the V2 wired in with the other V1's are you still able to use your communication hub and does it read all 6 batteries?
The hub isn’t compatible with the v2 battery from what I’ve seen. So the V2 would essentially be the hub I’d say.