2019 BMW R1250GS vs. R1200GS | New vs. Old - In-Depth Review
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2018
- BMW R1250GS comes with more engine grunt and refinement than ever. But is it enough to overshadow the R1200GS? Is it enough to make you sell your “old” R1200GS for a half of the new one’s price? Let’s find out.
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I'll remain with my 2018 1200, especially because I'm still paying it 🤣
How much ?
@@arjunpv_ 23k € - except top and side cases, handle bar risers, bigger windscreen, rear mudguard, side stand expansion and other small stuff like phone holder or handguard extension!
@@lino100x100 👊😁
@Mauro Fernandes i own both in family, and I don't see to much difference in power, the 1200 is a beast too.
On my 2018 I refused to install the tft screen, because I believe it's more reliable the analogical one. (I also prefer the analogue gauges)
Best R1250 gs vídeo so far. Well done, not boring tech details. Real life review. Keep up !
Again one of the best reviews online! well done
I love your reviews. You both have a way to get deeper into the bike than some US reviewers. Thank you from the USA.
I've only recently starting following you guys. Thank you for another excellent video, well put together, very good quality photography and I enjoy listening to the both of you as you are both very natural. I am intending to buy a GS so the timing of this video is just perfect - I will definitely be looking at buying a low mileage 1250 early next year! Greetings from Zimbabwe to you both!
I think you guys have done the best review so far ,it's interesting information and fast ,and your English is perfect ,the humour dodgy overall brilliant and the filming 5stars
Guys, your videos are second to none every time. Whether or not I'm interested in the bikes in particular,I always love watching your adventures. ALWAYS 👍👍
Cristian, you are still being missed 🫶🏻
very comprehensive review and the comparison everybody needed!
you guys are just the best out there in terms of objective testing and conclusions and clearly you are enjoying it while doing. the differences in age between the bikes is a bit too big to be able to compare riding experience but still i got the message :) thanks
Nice video and awesome locations! You both always enjoy your rides. There's only one thing I'd like to point out. A fair comparison would have been between a 2018 GS Adventure Rallye and the brand new 1250 GS. Just one question: Who's lending the BMW GS 1250 for the test? Cause in some ways it doesn't look like a totally impartial opinion, still a good comparison! All the Best from Argentina!
Good review! Re: tip-over. Leave it in gear, side-stand out, squat with a straight back, and perform a two-hand lift of the lower handlebar vertically. A lot easier than breaking your back like it's a custom cruiser!
This was very helpful. Thank you!
Maybe the most informative of all reviews / comparisons.
Absolutely awesome review. Basically what everybody wanted to know and noboby said on all the other videos. My compliments!
Now its time to think about saving money :)
Really good comparison! "Feeling" the difference really does matter most. Thanks guys!!
You guys are doing great for the reputation of your country. Top notch content.
Another brilliant review guys keep it going
Should be comparing the 1250 to a 2017 or 2018 as there were changes from 2015. The 2017 was considerably more refined and smoother. I'm speaking about the engine vibration as well as the quick shift...
WELL I didn’t have to wait too long for the review, and very well informative keep up the great work.
How about comparison to 2018 r1200gs which already has quickShift, automatic suspension, tft screen, SOS button and other gadgets. Not to 2015-16 which do not even have quickShift. Thank you.
This is topnotch content guys! Best coverage of the 1250 to date
Thank you very much!
I need to visit! The roads and countryside are stunning!
Great job, gents, best 1250 GS review
Like always cool motorcycle review and landscape view.
Thanks.
Thanks.
I'm still leaning toward the '18 Rallye, but I'll have to make it into my local shop and ride both to decide, thanks guys for the review.
I'm probably just getting old, but I prefer the traditional gauges over the TFT. As for the 1250 being that much better than the 1200, I'd have to experience both before having an opinion. Both bikes are probably much more capable than my skill level and I'm sure I would enjoy both fairly equally.
Great bike review you guys know what you are talking about 👍
I would like to visit Romanian from just watching this video
Ah, much better. I trust you guys. Watched a lot of your videos and your spot on.
Thanks a bunch for your reviews. I just got mine, it is the first HP that just arrived the other day in Seattle. We are always a couple of months behind Europe in terms of parts availability. My question for you is if the Akrapovic HP pipe (the more oval-shaped one that appears in pics and videos all over the internet) is available for order in Romania. If it is, I may have to ask my brother back there to buy it and ship it to me but he wouldn't know what to look for, which is why I am asking you the question. Any info would be much appreciated.
Great review. Impressed by how fluent these guys are in English too.
great review !
Excellent review,beautiful scenary,thk a mill guys.
Thanks, Bruce!
I decided to switch from my 2015 GS to the new 1250. There is an important question for all of the guys who make the switch: what accessories from the GS 1200 from BMW, Touratech, Wunderlich work on the 1250? Crash bars, Top and side cases, engine protection, etc?
great video! was awesome to watch
Great review! What was the road?
Totally agree with Ivo, most comprehensive and convincing coverage. Yet to ride the 1250, it even edges out my focus on tested and highly appreciated XR. The new GS obviously has some qualities previously reserved for sportier bikes.
Thank you so much. The S1000XR is such a great motocycle! It's a superbike in a sport-touring upright riding position shape. I'd chose the GS only for it's off-road capabilities over the XR. But if riding only on street - the S1000XR is the best. Cristian
Thanks Christian, I aim to move about other parts of the world, where spoked wheels and some off-road ability will be safety and peace of mind. Have you seen the Cento 9 teaser on the BMW Motorrad page here? Looks like the 2020 version of the XR, same front of the soon appearing RR. Might have to widen the garage!
Excellent review. Greetings from South Africa (GS country)
JUST PERFECT
I'm curious about something: You guys like the 1200 and 1250 GS, but my question is how do you like it off-road? The bikes are big and heavy. Wouldn't something lighter be better off-road? Something like the new Tenere 700 or maybe the BMW 850?
The GSA 1250 because of the bigger gas tank and its weight, does it loose power for the GS 1250?
Which bike from the GS to the RT handles better on the road ?
First of all congratulation for your motovlog.
I bought my gsa 2018 just 6 months ago and I'm more than happy. (Here in Thailand it cost more than 30k €.
I do not sell it now, I will buy the new gsa 1300 in few years 😄😄😄
nice job guys
When the water cooled 1200 was introduced to the market in 2013, it was hailed by many people as the best big bore ADV bike you could buy - almost like a two wheeled deity. People put their hands very deep into their pockets to fish out the considerable amounts of cash to buy into this 'ultimate motorcycle narrative'. And then a new 'ultimate narrative' comes out! Having said that, the 1200 does retain its value exceptionally well.
I am always enjoying your tests, thank you. You should have compared it with the 2017 modell, what is better than the 2013 modell, actually I think the only difference is the engine, if you are taking a 2017 TFT modell.
Hi.. do the crash bars come as standard on th bmw 1250 rally hp.. the new one featured in this video..
Awesome guys! The new GS1250 certainly is an impressive machine. I’m certainly thinking of trading in my S1000XR for it. 2019 I’ll be in Romania having a beer with you guys.... by the way, when are guys going to do a review of the world famous Romanian Dacia!!??😂 great job again guys. Romania is certainly one of the most beautiful countries in the world .Chris
That's certainly an intriguing country, often associated to tzigane who are a minority there. I have a bad image of that country but I'd like to go there some day to see for myself.
Thanks, Chris. If not going off-road, I'd trade my GS for an XR. We're waiting for you in Romania - there are some nice places to see. Cristian
Hello. You should come here. It's not that bad. Of course, it's not Norway either... :)) Cristian
keratubes hey lads. I actually lived in Oradea Romania for 2 years ( I married a Hungarian/Romanian). I’m from Australia. I can tell you personally that the food, the people, the country is just amazing, I love it. And I can’t wait to come back there.
DriveMag Riders hey Cristian. That’s interesting. I love my XR, it’s a great machine. I don’t do a lot of off-road riding, but I know Transylvania’ has some great mountain areas that are just great for camping/hiking. I do like this new 1250 with the increased power/torque. It will also give me the option of off-road riding and a little bit more comfort on the road. I’m planning on doing 6 months on Scandinavia and East/West Europe. I think the XR might be a little too small? Maybe !!
which cam - are you using ?
That color scheme 🙌
Hi! Help me please. My English not so good. I don’t understand clearly crash bar from 1200 2018 is different? Compared 1250?
Awesome review. Excellent Romanian team!
Thanks.
You two are realy nice guys....
Very good review
Good idea to compare it with a 2015 bike. Not many will look to swap a new 1200 but 3 years old bikes loads will be interested.
Well thought through
Unfa9r comparison, you should have tested the outgoing 2018 model . Apart from a bit more power and extra weight it’s exactly the same as the 20 18 model.
took that horse and cart on the corner at 9.20, and dogs chasing you at 12.19, these are the 2nd best Kazakstan reviews ever, wowwa woowa.!!
hi,do you think the new gs will fit 1meter 75 person?
Nice! If only you could buy one!. Visited several dealers today -- due to some caliper recall - they cannot be sold and have to sit until March some time. More time to save up$$.
Nice video.
I'm not convinced, though. My 2014 GS seems to me to be all that I need...so I'm not even dreaming of a replacement, and certainly not of a more complicated replacement. I think I'll bank the money instead 😉
My 2014 feels faster than my new 2018! Maybe because the changed the weight of the crank!
Great review and for what it’s worth I agree with the comparison with the 2015 model as a lot of people would ask themselves if it’s worth upgrading.
Could you please review the R1250GS with the KTM1290S ?
Very nice review! Everyone talks about how wonderful the bmw gs is for small people with the lower seat but you pointed out something very interesting. How about the talI people? I am 1.90m and was wondering if that bike would have good ergos for me. Do i need to do all those mods? Rise the handlebar, how about the legs? If i use the seat in a taller setup will it ruin the windshield protection and have to replace it also? Are the legs to cramped? Is the gsa the bmw answer for tall people? But the size, weight and looks will kill it for me.. does the ktm 1290 SAS or the ducati MS 1260 have better ergonomics for tall people? And how do you compare the bmw's 135hp to the 160 of the other two?
Hello. First of all thanks for watching. I think that having the original seat on the high set-up would work for your height. The risk is having not enough legroom - if that happens, you should go for the high seat. The thing with the windshields is that some aftermarket choices will give you wind buffeting - that's worse than the wind. Frankly, I don't have an answer to all your questions but my colleague, who's about 1,82 or something feels good on the GS in the standard set-up. As for those 135 hp compared to 160 - we'll do a comparison review soon. Still, I think the GS will match the KTM due to the great spread of torque.
DriveMag Riders
Thank you! I really have to try one and see.
Looking forward to that review!
@@rodrigoafonso1995
Hi Rodrigo, which way did you go with the bikes, GS?, did it suit your height, and was the screen, wind buffeting an issue?
Interesting opinions. Glad he could afford a new one. However, while I am aware of the improvements, I am not yet convinced that a new GS is twice as good as my 2014, nor do I believe I would enjoy a new one twice as much. For now, I'm going to keep enjoying what I have and stay out of debt.
can some one compare wind protection in leg and feet area..between gs1200 and bikes like goldwing/concurous/st1300/fjr
Please!!!
from the picture I found It looks like boxer side way engine should protect calf and feet area.. while faring on the tank should protect knee area..
Same seat position r1200gs and s1000xr?
Really you couldn't lift the dropped bike? How much you weight?
I'm saving my money for the 2020 model that'll have five hundred new "improvements" and cost an extra 7000 euro's.
you werent wrong...
Why do R11/1200/50 GS Wheelies lock so wrong?
Sunteti tot mai buni. Ride for fun!
Multumim, Tiberiuss
Great video guys 👍 I'd go for 1250 as well
It's sort of a choice between the 1250GS/GSA and a KTM1290 SA-R. The SA-R is substantially lighter than the 2019 GS/GSA IMO.
But should I go for the new GS or GSA? I ride 90% on road around town and one or two 4,000-5,000 mile touring trips each year. Will be selling my Harley Davidson Ultra Limited, and maybe even my Triumph Bobber Black, as I am smitten with the new GS/GSA!
Great review. Definitely the 1250 is the he way to go. 1200 still a great machine.
In fact 1200 model year 2015 has different wiring harness than 2014. 2015 wiring harness allows for cornering abs sensor installation - this option is not available on 2014 model year at all. So "who cares" is a wrong statement. Theee are some other mods here and there.
Nice scenery!
it would be fun comparing 2018 rally with 2019 hp ;)
BTW: If you pair your smart-phone to the dash it also works as a Navigation...
Where were you guys riding?
What crash bars do you recommend for the new R1250GS?
The GSA come with bars, but for the GS I would recommend touratech
If you have the old one and can live with the terrible idle sound and gearbox clunking, stick with your bike. The new one is just a new TFT screen, a few colours and an even higher new price. The new one feels just the same to me (if a bit quiter on the exhaust sound), chassis is very good, but the 1200gs' was too. You'd be hard pressed to really feel the power/torque difference and I think i'd have to ride them back to back to feel any significant change. I do agree with the conclusion that the new one is an overall much more refined bike, but when you look at what you actually feel as a rider, it's certainly not day and night and the price differences between a low mileage 1200 and a new (full op, because how else would you have it?) are huge
But would you buy the new one over a 2018 R1200GS?
I doubt it.
As if it needs more power - the difference between the last three versions liquid cooled versions is minute. A new dash big deal.
The gs is great no matter what model or year you have. It’s a 5 star machine compared to other bikes. I had an early model as well after the 1150 and it was a joy.
Off road would get something lighter though
good video guys, would be nice if sometimes you mentioned where you were riding.
Thanks, Mike. You're right, we'll try to remember next time we're filming. By the way, for this video rode through some villages in Brasov County, Romania.
@@DriveMagRiders I'll have to come check it out some day. cheers
Good review but you should have, imo, dedicated much much more time on where 80% of buyers will use her hence leaning her on mountain passes or leaning her here and there.
The guy with the old one seemed to me a BMW reseller or a guy who had to speak well about the new 1250.
The other guy is more expert of bikes but the video was good, keep on !
Never buy the first year version......just wait for the recalls. Stick with 2018, and wait a couple years for refining new technology. Always great vids gentlemen!
then it becomes old again, and a new model will come out. no matter how you do it, it´s always gonna be a mistake getting a newer bike.
So your know a pillion on this computer?
An interesting review however it is fatally flawed when you say things like "it is much more refined than the old model" You were comparing the brand new GS1250 with a worn, 3yr old bike with 65,000km on the clock. Come on guys you should have done this properly by comparing the 1250 with a 2018 1200GS Rallye. The comments about the suspension and gearbox are moot because you were not comparing the last version of the 1200 ( a 2017/2018 which has a better gear box, a quick shifter and hill start assist etc, etc...............
This is a correct response.
We didn't have a 2018 for a comparison but maybe we'll do it again with that bike. And there's one more thing. Why would you sell your recently bought 10.000 km 2018 motorcycle to get this new one? Thanks for your feedback, it's highly appreciated. Cristian
The gearbox on the 2017/2018, even though smoother than the one on the old bike in this video, is still really clunky, especially when shifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd.
@@DriveMagRiders ...come to Florida and you are more than welcome to use my '18 GS Rallye.....ha ha! Nothing like South Florida Keys ride!
I accept what you're saying Cristian a but maybe you could have mentioned this as you have tested the 2017/2018 GS Rallye in the past so have the experience. Anyway. I still enjoy your videos and will continue to be entertained by you both 👍
in another universe: should you trade in your 2014 ford focus for the new 2018 model? sure, why not?
A 4 year old ford focus has probably lost 75% of it's value may as well just give it away than trade it in.
Seems like you guys have a support vehicle at all time, so why didn't you take a nap in the car?
Have you riden the old GS witout a CAT? You might find it revs much much more freely....
The problem is that BMW could never figure out the oil bath issue in supplying enough oil to certain components, especially the clutch which would allow the springs on plate to overheat causing springs to compress to an extent causing chatter.. Brembo is still making the breaks for this bike, BMW just wanted their name stamped on the front caliper. If you are going to get one, get it new as they get costly in repairs as they age.
I have question outside of this review: You have ridden the new 850. Which one do you like better - the 850 or the 1250?
Hello John. 1250 all the way :) I prefer even my old 1200 to the new 850. Cristian
Did the 1250 have the higher sport suspension?
john-fredrik bråthen No. It was stock.
I know it's an icon of big adv motorcycles.
But too expensive for very long rides. I travel about 30 thousand. km / year - this motorcycle would eat me a lot of service costs.
A very good machine for several vacation trips a year. Not for large runs or daily driving.
Can you share some costs you had? Did you have any problems with reliability of bike?
And s1000xr also?
So, the new one is 10k Euro better than old one?
Artur Jaworski better than my 65k km four years old one.. probably. Cristian
@@DriveMagRiders Mine is 2016, 45k, I do not see point to upgrade, but it very subjective. The engine is new, I would wait at least a year and not play with the tester. Good luck with your decisions, love your films.
9:20 what a contrast still in Romania and off course 12:17 dogs everywhere :)
Apart from that very nice comparison, thanks guys.
Well, the dogs were from a sheepfold :)
How do you know how far you can lean into a curve?
Till it falls over!
I have a 2018 BMW Rallye Adventure TE
The new 1250 has the shiftcam, thats it, everything else is the same. And the shiftcam is purely for EU5 Regulations. Thats it.
A great BMW marketing campaign.
Id not be buying a 1250, as the shifcam is very subtle, If noticeable at all.
Nigel Collinson You can rest assured that you have made the right choice for your GS 2018 and I understand them, but the engine of the GS 1250 is clearly more flexible, more torque, but also more fun and easy to drive on the road and on the road. Off road ! it is not just marketing but a real improvement! I sympathize with your frustration! 😉✌🏽
@@gwadaflat No frustration?
I took the new 1250 out and couldn't really notice any real difference. After all, its an adventure touring bike. It has more than enough power as it is.
EU5 regulations only.
Nigel, the most important thing is that you're happy with your chioce! :) the 2018 is great. Better than my 2014. Cristian
Nigel Collinson Yes I agree with your opinion but in my opinion, it lacked a bit of torque and power, what can be felt when for example a passenger behind + luggage, this new engine brings! You know, everyone has a different type of riding and use! And I teased you a little, nothing serious and even less wicked! All GS are a good choice, mm the R80gs! Me I ride with my old, brave and faithful R1200GS of 2008 new schemas and which is today still in a near new state in its new matt military green color with the complete exhaust line Akrapovic Racing with the double exhaust silencer , and I'm happy, even if I admit that the R1250 engine takes another step in the GS, which does not mean that 2017, 2018 is bad! Let's say that it evolves each time a little and thankfully! 😜👍🏽✌🏽
DriveMag Riders I never said that his choice was bad, I teased a little! cool Man! Now, would he have made the mm choice if he had the 2018 R1200GS and the R1250GS before the eyes? that's a question, we'll never have the answer! Yes the GS 2018 is and remains an excellent vintage in the history of the GS! 😜✌🏽
Excellent reviews. Yeah the comfort of the Africa Twin does not match the comfort of the BMW
Nice informative video, just annoying I had to adjust the volume all the time.
for future reference.. nobody likes shitty music that is much louder than the voices.
Better yet, cut the music altogether. I'm quite sure at least 80% of the viewers prefer the sound of motorcycles over some repetitive techno track.
A microphone under the back seat does wonders for recording engine/exhaust sound without wind noise...
I agree 100%
Its the most horrible fucking "music" aswell.