How to: Arborist throw line for getting antennas up high
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2021
- This video was suggested by AB1A after seeing me use it at the QRP party.
I go over the equipment and technique I use as well as a couple of knots that I've found very useful for this purpose.
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I actually had to watch this video to learn how to open/expand the bag! Thx!
Awesome video about getting lines in trees.
Thanks 👍
Thank you for teaching me the pendulum method! Very, very useful. 73 de N4AAJ
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the demo. I have been scratching my head wondering how this is done. Had no idea it was possible to get it up so high. You made it look easy.
Glad I could help!
It worked! My G5RV is back in place after being coiled up for years after the branch it was connected to blew down in a wind storm.
Fantastic!
I finally broke down and got this setup after getting some para cord and a deep well socket I was using as a weight caught in a tree in a park. I felt awful! This thing is a game changer, for sure! Pretty fool proof.
I got one of the dogs chuckit balls stuck with a buch of paracord. Bad hooman!
Excellent video, I have thrown a number of things into trees including rocks, fishing weights, nuts, etc. I have a real throw line and weight on order!
This was EXCELLENT, thanks! I will have to give that reverse throw a try, that was really impressive. Weaver Arborist makes good stuff.👍
Thanks, I had the Weaver line and weight but only used it a few times because it was always a hot mess. I just got the cube and it’s super simple and organized. I really appreciate the tips on this, throwing and the knots. 73 de N2MAK
Thanks. The cube does make it a lot easier.
Great video Tom, easy to follow just purchased the cube etc as I wanted something quick and easy. I have subscribed to your channel.
I'm glad it helped. Thanks for the sub!
Actually, a Bowline knot works much better. Won't come untied accidentally and very easy to untie when you want. Take a few minutes to learn this and use it. If you POTA as much as I do, you will soon learn it well enough to be able to do it in your sleep. Great video, BTW.
I'm familiar with a bowline, but I'm not as fast with it. I should practice it more.
Great instructional and useful video.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! I’m going to give this a whirl this week
Good luck!
Thanks - a great help. I'd been having more success throwing my back out than wires into trees....73 de Paul ZS2OE
Great video! Thanks
I usually do sling shot twirl - takes practice but seems to have better aim
Thanks for very the video
Everybody is different, do what works for you.
Slingshot uses a rubber as the source of power. You're speaking about a "sling", as in David and Goliath.
Awesome video. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
I need to use my Arms to swing throw the Para Chord up in Trees cuz my Disk is ruined. But I like the Way you doing it and this works out great in most Cases. Good Job. 73 de Uncle Günter from Germany
Thanks.
Hello, use this method to place my EndFed antennas as high as possible... just fantastic... results in full / 73
Thank you and that was useful.
Glad it was helpful!
Good stuff!
Thanks!
Excellent video! A bonus was the knot demo. I just ordered my throw line bag. 73 - Matt - KE0TXC
Nice!
Nicely done. I prefer the Zeppelin bend over Sheet bend
And I just learned a new knot. I'll hold off judgement until I get better at it.
Thanks. I am just getting into outdoor HF and EFHWs, so this is perfect. I have something similar, made by WxTex for backpackers to raise a food cache out of the reach of bears. It consists of a small ripstop nylon bag with a drawstring, about big enough to hold a softball. Inside there is 50' of thin paracord attached to a strap sewn on the inside. The procedure is to turn the bag inside out, take out the cord and fill the bag with some stones. Then toss it over a branch away from the trunk and let it drop, so you can attach the food bag, and pull it back up. It works well for that.
Maybe for antennas I need different cord and was thinking about mason's line, but it needs to be slippery. For the weight, I heard an excellent idea at Pacificon years ago. That is to use a small pop bottle. You can get 8oz ones now (shrinkflation) that weigh 10oz when filled. Or you can use regular 12oz ones. It is important to not completely fill the bottles, as you need the weight to keep the bottom down as it descends through the branches. These bottles are extremely slippery, and it is easy to tie the cord around the neck. And if it does get stuck, you have not lost much. Bottles for fizzy pop are stronger than the ones used for water. Of course you can store the cord inside the bottle too.
I love the standing backwards idea! If you are pointed in the right direction. How far from the tree do you stand? I don't like the bulk of the sheetbend not to mention the fraying of poly rope. It could get hung up on branches or bark. I had thought that arborist line was something special like Dacron. strong, thin, slippery. My paracord never got stuck but I think I will try Mason's line. Also a small investment (dollar store). 73, VE7VIE
I've found masons line very soft and There is some still up in one of my trees. I've thought about heavy braided fishing line. You can get it up to 80 lb strength. Probably need a reel. I tried a couple nylon backs but they've ripped after a few impacts into the ground with rocks in them. Thanks for the comments.
@@TangoOscarMikeN3WS I AM a fisher and have some of the braided line you speak of. I might try that. Or use the 50' throw line I have at the front with another 50'-100' of something else behind it. There are lots of BIG trees in BC, but I understand my EFHW doesn't need to be that high.* I would use a fishing swivel to connect them rather than a sheetbend.
*according to K7SW, ua-cam.com/video/hNyHhjMH85g/v-deo.html
73, VE7VIE
Use throwing line. It’s very strong and will slip through any branch. No snags. Use the bean bag weight. I bought a 200’ line and weight for $40 on Amazon. It’s amazing how well it works. Don’t take shortcuts. You’ll get frustrated. The savings just isn’t worth the aggravation.
73
K1PJR
Great video Mike. Appreciate the knot tying info & the throwing demo. Do you have a preferred method of connecting the throw line to the antenna wire?
I'll actually use either one of the knots in the video. Both work with great with the SOTABEAMS wire. Thanks for watching.
Great video. I am curious how they get antenna wire in a tree. Also after the ice in Texas I need to pull a couple of trees down that snapped off halfway up in the trunk. One is right over the driveway entrance. This method will allow me to get the rope over the fallen and stuck tree without being under it. Thanks again for the video. 73 de KI5HXM
I'm glad it helped. Thanks
@@TangoOscarMikeN3WS yes it did. I haven’t ordered the weight yet so used a heavy closed hook over the branch. Since it was just rope and not the slippery plastic type it took some wiggling for it to slide down. Once down I hooked the rope to itself and pulled it down from a safe distance.
Haha I never thought looking for ham radio deployment would help me with actual tree problems. I love it!!
Same boat in ne Dallas lol. Thx!
People told me that 150ft is longer than necessary. What do you think? Do you use most of it or is there usually a lot left in the box?
I've used it all and had to add more, but like everything else it depends. It's not just the vertical length up and down you have to account for, it's the horizontal. So if you throw over a tree you will use more line than just going straight up and straight down over a branch. If you goal is just to get the line up 20-30 feet for a quick activation than you could go with a shorter line.
@@TangoOscarMikeN3WS Thanks! That makes sense. Right now I have a line that's around 150ft long, but I only used it a couple of times where I maybe used half of it, however that wasn't a super tall tree and I only had to raise a 29ft random wire at the time 😄
Hi. Does it matter the weight (ounces) of the throw weight? ie. 12 vs. 14 oz? Thanks in advance for any info.
I think a heavier weight might work better. I have 12 ounce weight and if I go over the tops of trees with leaf cover there is more friction on the line. Sometimes it's not enough weight to drag the line back down to the ground without fussing with it. I'm going to have to try a 16. Another 4 ounces in the pack won't be too bad.
@@TangoOscarMikeN3WS Another question if you don't mind. I'm a beginner and got 150' of throw-line. It seems like a lot! How much line do you normally work with? Thanks for your kind replies. 73.
@@liminal6823 When I started I thought it was a lot too, but as I got better I often use all of it and sometimes I didn't have enough. It just depends on how high I'm trying to get.
I got the 16 Oz weight. Didn't spring for the cube. I just use a reusable shopping bag. It stands up straight and the line feeds well.
What size weight the thro ball??
It is 12 ounces. In summer when the leaves are on the trees I think the heavier 16 ounce weight might be better as there is a lot of friction on the line.
The knot you're making to the box is a "figure 8 knot" - guess why?
How heavy is the weight
12 ounces.
your amazon link is dead
It should be fixed. Thanks
Good demo! 73 N9EdL
Thanks.