Between two superpowers: Indonesia’s position in the US-China rivalry
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Indonesia is the largest developing economy in Southeast Asia, with a gross domestic product of over US$1 trillion. The country’s size and location have made it Indonesia an attractive strategic partner for China and the United States to influence the Asean region. Indonesia has attempted to remain neutral in the China-U.S rivalry, but if tensions between the two continue to rise, will Indonesia be forced to take sides or adopt a foreign policy that doesn't align with either superpower?
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As a Filipino, I would say that Indonesia is like the big brother of southeast Asia. Promoting peace and progress in the region...
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Thanks 🙏
And both of you have the most practical martial arts in Asia. (Not China.)
❤️ U filipine....from Indonesia 👍
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Indonesia got $22Billion from russia investment, $14Billion approve from the US military and assistance + $3Billion energy project, and more than $18Billion multiyear investment from china. That is insane how they balance the diplomatic ties for their national interest. i mean, not every country can do that.
ey its coincidence a Vietnamese is speaking about this :D
Indonesia has more in common and goal with SEA countries like Vietnam than with NATO or China will ever be
Cause Indonesia has economic potential, strategic of geograpic, and political influence to Asean.
Japan is still our biggest partner, and most of south east asia country, china, & australia already signed RCEP the biggest trade deal in the world, so I think open war wouldn't happen in this region.
Why not the key is focus on making its ppl proshper not making war
@@yosef4552 u have a bright future random stranger
"Friend to all, enemy to none". If only all world leaders think this way, our world will be much better.
Sure, cuz war not solve anything.
Are you dumb, Our Country Is worse than You Can Imagine, I'm Indonesian And I Can Assure you oir country is very poor even Poorer than India and Timor leste In terms of GDP Percapita
@Nika Ustašica (UNVACCINATED 1776) Cool names for primates
friends to all is a friends to none
Human does not work that way
Indonesia is the strongest nation in SEA, they are on the right side of history. Singapore salute
@@hendrya.l6391 ignore this guy, this guy just runaway from asylum
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The way of thinking of Indonesia it's not just a pragmatic. It came from long experience of colonialism. A country where for centuries experience war. From that our founding fathers has declared to be non block or neutral. For Indonesia, coalition is for freedom and friendship not for war.
Colonialism, War, foreign policy involved in our domestical issue (insurgency and conflicts), embargo, etc has shaped indonesia right now!!
@@goldgen7352 exact same thing happened in vietnam
Same here in the Philippines as well
Indonesian president look like Indian
how is it "neutral" to literally have US military within Indonesia? It's a thing that only US puppet nations or US invaded nations have.
Indonesia was the founder of Non Alignment Movement (NAM) followed by India, Yugoslavia, Egypt, etc. Indonesia also the founder of Asia Africa Conference (Bandung Conference). It implies that Indonesia is a neutral country and will stay neutral cause our free and active foreign policy.
Wrong.!! It was Chinese initiative, so they won't be burdened by military aggressiveness deciyed by USA so they can focus developing
@@irritatedanglosaxon1705 google is free
Yugoslavia is no more since the attack by NATO. Guess it is not safe even when we don't take blocs. Indonesia should've become third power nation beside China, Russia or the US
India was Leader of NAM (by then indian pm nehru)
@@princekathrotiya4378 That's BS for sure
Indonesia is a large country with the 4th largest population in the world.. if Indonesia does not choose neutral, the possibility of war is very high but if Indonesia remains neutral then Indonesia can be one of the countries that provide solutions when there is chaos between countries... As a big country, Indonesia's political choices will have a huge impact on the world
Yup
Exactly it's best that Indonesia remain neutral in order to make world peace in midst of ongoing disputes & war happening in some countries
As Indonesian, I still think Indonesia needs to work on their own economic and military power if they want to remain neutral. Like it as not, both China and US are superpowers and given the inclination, they may be able to exert damaging pressure onto Indonesia, whether via coercion (too much economic dependence) or via guns (all out war). If Indonesia wants to remain neutral, they need to be strong both in military power and economical power, or the country will buckle.
Well first of all everybody must accept india then will indonesia will be considered because india is bigger and more powerful in ever way
@@buzzlightyear1484 because India has already made its choice.. if Indonesia does the same thing then there will be no more big countries that have international political influence that can provide solutions for disputing countries
As a Singaporean, I am grateful that my little red dot country has such friendly and peace loving neighbours! Asean Unite! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
For a country of Indonesia's size, it's beneficial to remain independent and neutral. Big countries can do that, for small countries that is much more difficult.
Yes, i would even say that's a mandatory for Indonesia's survival. If we're not neutral, one of those superpowers would support insurgency in our country. The US would support Indonesia's insurgency groups if it choose China's side and vice versa.
Indonesia is very big so break ups insurgencies could be fragile although Indonesia is pretty stable now.
our military is not capable of preventing invasions from big power, unless we go the ukrainian way (i.e ordinary citizens are given weapons and ordered to fight at the frontlines).. with the increasing tension between Washington and Beijing, I genuinely don't think Indonesia will be able to stay neutral in the long term
According to the documentary "Warmonger's"
It doesn't matter if you're neutral. They have different ways to target your country.
"When America wants to go to war with someone, we invent the reasons."
Take the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war for example.
Anyone remember this history? 1965 Indonesia coup.
CIA involvement in coup 1965 is one great example on how the west took sides by supplying weapons, made propaganda and indirectly killed more than 3 million innocent lives. Their strategy is based on "divide and conquer". This document was declassified by CIA because many activists around the globe condemn the war crimes of US and their allies. Not only that, CIA overthrew the legit president of indonesia and replaced it with a corrupt Suharto who supported the US. That's how US mining company 'freeport' got hold of indonesian biggest gold mine.
Declassified files outline US support for 1965 indonesian massacre - National Security Archive.
--Jeff Lith
And this
Even today in 2022, this is still happening. People have forgotten how a vial of detergent was used by colin powell to wage an illegal WMD war against Iraq, killing millions of Iraqis.
Now they are using the same Cold War strategy to brainwash their citizens and the world for another hybrid war against Russia and China. Hence the Xinjiang cotton propaganda going on now spread by a homophobic right wing religious nut case German called Adrian Zenz.
-papa smurf
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@@condorX2 "It doesn't matter if you're neutral".
Neutrality DOES matter, because it may prevent you from getting involved in a conflict between other parties. If you were allied to one of those parties, there's a high risk you would also be a target. That's basic logic for children. Neutrality cannot protect you from everything. They may always be adversaries who want what you have, and they don't care whether you're neutral or not.
@@pjacobsen1000 Try reading the rest of the post instead of focus on the first paragraph.
For examples
"When America wants to go to war with someone, we invent the reasons."
1965 Indonesia coup.
CIA involvement in coup 1965 is one great example on how the west took sides by supplying weapons, made propaganda and indirectly killed more than 3 million innocent lives. Their strategy is based on "divide and conquer". This document was declassified by CIA because many activists around the globe condemn the war crimes of US and their allies. Not only that, CIA overthrew the legit president of indonesia and replaced it with a corrupt Suharto who supported the US. That's how US mining company 'freeport' got hold of indonesian biggest gold mine.
Declassified files outline US support for 1965 indonesian massacre - National Security Archive.
--Jeff Lith
And this
Even today in 2022, this is still happening. People have forgotten how a vial of detergent was used by colin powell to wage an illegal WMD war against Iraq, killing millions of Iraqis.
Now they are using the same Cold War strategy to brainwash their citizens and the world for another hybrid war against Russia and China. Hence the Xinjiang cotton propaganda going on now spread by a homophobic right wing religious nut case German called Adrian Zenz.
-papa smurf
When cold war was happening, Indonesia became one of the leading countries who held a non-bloc conference. Declaring the world that Indonesia is always free and neutral. I believe Indonesia would rather choose to honor that declaration instead of choosing side.
Yup but not until foreign bullets start flying through above our head
and after that us entered the scene by installing soeharto lol.
Iya lah bosku Indonesia tetep non blok kita juga GK akan kenak rayuan setan mamarika tenang kok selama cina GK aneh-aneh kita tetep netral 🤧🤧🤧🗿
@@goldgen7352 when Australia vs cina no way lah 🗿😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
In cold war era indonesia secretly take a side
For many years since the Philippines incorporated by the US since 1901 until 1947, they invested a lot on our country to be developed. Even China helped to developed our ailing infrastructure in the country. Indonesia, invested a lot on our transportation and developed our mothballed defences. Now, our country's armed forces are now capable to defend our territories. Our nations strategic vessels, build by Indonesians, used by our Philippine Navy vowed to response, help and relief the Indonesians if any disaster occurred to the country.
True, Honestly, the Philippines is not a small country we are roughly the same size as Japan if not smaller or bigger. There is a misconception that our country is small, I beg to differ.
Now, for our country to pursue a true independent foreign policy like India and Indonesia, the Philippines needs to abrogate its Mutual Defense Treaty, Visiting Forces Agreement as well as the EDCA. We need to invest more in our armed forces to finally stop relying on foreign powers who we all know are all bark and no bite, we should also be pragmatic on dealing with terrirtorial disputes with our Neighbour, China. We shouldn't antagonize them as they can be our partner for the future.
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That's a worty investment for defence on that north-eastern side.
Wow nice to know this information
I hope Indonesia be the super power of the Pacific 🇸🇦♥️🇮🇩
If a War breaks out, we would be neutral. Indonesia doesn’t have the Naval capability to hold of an Invasion from either the US or China so we would rather be neutral than being an endless war zone
Indonesia Naval capability is quantity not quality...
If neutral means die, I would choose China to be ally.
Indonesia is 90% guaranteed to join the US if conflict occurs because Indonesia's military are compatible with US military structures.
A report in the Rand institute that the TNI prefers to deal with the US military over chinese one.
@D.A.R Supporting usa is far worst they useless allies. Atleast china provides help to allies directly. Both are kinda same tbh.
@D.A.R China better friend than US. Or you will see inflation everywhere.
On this day, the Indonesian president is meeting president Xi Jin Ping in Beijing, while the Indonesian military leader is meeting the US military leader in Jakarta. Don't forget we also have faced strong polarizations in every presidential election because each of the candidates was assumed to be closer to either one of these two world superpowers
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Dont forget khilaper gang wkwk yang berpihak dengang isis
@@ots8238 Geng anies & prabowo jistru lebih dekat ke amerika. Anda lupa fadli zon dateng langsung di pelantikannya donald trump
@ots jgn kasih panggung Kelompok Khilafah dan anis C's menguasai Indonesia
khilaper di support oleh cendana dan kroninya, maklum bisnis haram bapaknya dulu hasil dr jadi jongosnya CIA amerika
Indonesia proves that nothing is impossible. Whether It's the proper balance maintaining ties with the world powers, as well as maintaining stability inside the country. Love to all Indonesian friends from Bangladesh 🇧🇩💓🇮🇩
Bangladesh out
@@Semmydagee what did I say wrong?? Or you have difficulty understanding English??
@@ostadfiha4225 India Rohingya Pakistan out passport to stop
@@ostadfiha4225 Russia - Palestine - to Indonesian Agree
@@ostadfiha4225 love bangladesh from indonesia
Indeed that Indonesia maintain the connection with many of "rival" altogether. We have both economic ties with USA and China. We shared joint military training with both USA and Russia. We maintain relation with both North and South Korea. Basically we give warm welcome for all who agreed to respect our neutrality and are not interfere in our public will to be in peace.
In fact. The only globally significant nation that Indonesia doesn't have an official relation is Israel, which we did that purely based on solidarity for Palestinian, who did support our independece since the beginning.
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Because is written on our constitution that, "Dan oleh sebab itu, maka, segala penjajahan di atas dunia harus dihapuskan, karena tidak sesuai dengan perikemanusiaan dan perikeadilan."
And seeing ROC/TAIWAN were independent in 1930 and china PRRC is in 1949, sooo....
enggak juga Indonesia sekrang menjalin hubungan alutsista militer dengan israel, kita tidak mau mendeklarasikan permusuhan dengan israel secara terang terangan, kita cuman menggugatnya saja, "seribu teman tidak ada permusuhan"
enggak juga Indonesia sekrang menjalin hubungan alutsista militer dengan israel, kita tidak mau mendeklarasikan permusuhan dengan israel secara terang terangan, kita cuman menggugatnya saja, "seribu teman tidak ada permusuhan"
ang indonesians ay mabait at may pagmamahal sa kapawa mahirap man o mayaman 🇵🇭 ♥️ 🇮🇩
Papansin
Papansin
@@user-ee6mn5iy5v Papansin? What is that?
My inddia is sandwiched between 2 giants US and chin@
Hindi kasi pinaguusapan pinas kaya dikit sa sikat
As Indonesian, i like my country being pragmatic. Why do pick side if we can benefit from both sides? 😏 The other reason is our military cannot compare to those of china or US. In addition, picking side will make our country to be influenced more by either sides, and I know that Indonesians don't want to be puppet of both sides, it's like losing sovereignty.
My inddia is a victiim 0f US chin@ rivalrry
Well said, why fight when we could profit right? We don't want to be taken advantage by either side.
@@Akirashiro407 when we go to war with China you will have to do something because we will go nuclear.
I donno why, my heart sank when I read these comments. It's as if y'all don't really cares about the democracy and freedom you have thus far and you don't even realize how much you've GAINED from it. If y'all really wanna remain neutral, just remember, when neutrality doesn't work out, like when it didn't work out in china and everyone was forced to choose communism or death (yes this happened) no one will care for you. You didn't fight when you needed to, then when you fall due to neutrality, it's your ideology that failed you.
I'm Canadian Taiwanese, I'd be happy to die fighting for democracy and for my future human fellow to have the freedom I have.
@@FateTurns you're not alone all of us will be there. Don't let these people fool you they're on the side of evil and on the wrong side of History.
Indonesia is not alone if china show there muscles in the Indo Pacific region ASEAN countries will always backup Indonesia we are just like brothers to Indonesia 😎💪🇵🇭🇮🇩
Thankyou my bro philippines 👍😘🥰😍 🇮🇩❤️🇵🇭
🥰
Kita bukan saudara
Love to Indonesia from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤️
Just started learning bahasa Indonesian
Thkss bro
Australia dan indonesia adalah sahabat sejak dulu …
Teach me english bro
I like the last statement "friends to all, enemy to none" :)
Indonesia is a founder of non block. When cold War is brewing. So now its should keep the same!
Bagi saya sebagai bangsa brunei
Indonesia adalah keamanan asean
Bukannya British ?
@@misterx3770 ...Brunei, brother of indonesia ,is obligated to guard and protect it.......
Indonesia's motto " A million friends have zero enemies" is also like here in the Philippines " Friends to all enemies to none " ❤️❤️❤️
Brothers in Arms 🇵🇭💪😎👌🇮🇩
Malaysian : How about Sulu?
@@YoanShaputraa idk bro
China: we're friends so what is yours is also mine right? 🥺👉👈
Philippines: uhh about that..
i love philippines❤
from indonesia
As a bridge between Asia and the Pacific, Indonesia must be neutral so that the world becomes balanced. A country with great power, has the potential to be unfair.
When we go to war with China you will have to take a side because it will be World War 3.
@@beastmode8203 Not taking sides, after all, America and other white countries will not allow that to happen, to control the energy supply of course. Also if America and Europe intend to dominate the SEA Sea, China and Russia will not allow this to happen. This is a non-block advantage.
Yes Pakde Jokowi tiga periodeeee 💯💯
Nobody like war.
What if you're provoked?
Anyone remember this history? This is for standing up to the US. You'll get burned.
CIA involvement in coup 1965 is one great example on how the west took sides by supplying weapons, made propaganda and indirectly killed more than 3 million innocent lives. Their strategy is based on "divide and conquer". This document was declassified by CIA because many activists around the globe condemn the war crimes of US and their allies. Not only that, CIA overthrew the legit president of indonesia and replaced it with a corrupt Suharto who supported the US. That's how US mining company 'freeport' got hold of indonesian biggest gold mine.
Declassified files outline US support for 1965 indonesian massacre - National Security Archive.
--Jeff Lith
@@ayusuatika3688 Oooooh no, saya hanya ingin cucu dari Kaesang bukan 3 periode.
For now, it’s best for Indonesia to stay neutral and reap the benefits of this economic war. The question is how long can they sustain these “balanced” relations.
As long as we can. That's if the US can respect our choice of foreign policy which another comment have written.
Same goes with other SEA countries
The government tend to be more towards China for trade and economy, while for military matters we tend to lean towards the US
From Philippines yeah i support your idea we're also neutral because of the past wars
Until next Falangist coup
as an Indonesian, Thank to our founding fathers who declared our country international political mission for being "Bebas n Aktif", we don't take both sides, we've all known that war just brings the worst in all dimention.. hope our government n president as well as the citizens always hold on it tightly for the best of Indonesian..
No matter what Indonesia choose. The Philippines will support them.
Love from Philippines.
🇮🇩🤝🇵🇭
I love manila
Apaan sih . Nimbrung mulu 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Thank you
Indonesia: the balance of power...
Worlds : Hey man, US or China?
Indonesians : Coffee and Cigarettes ✌😎☀️🌴
kopi mana kopi.. 😉
And listening to the Alip Ba Ta 🚬☕🎸
@@YouOnUsPath ahh cocok mantap..
Jok meneh masehh
I like this one😁
Indonesia just like the Philippines does not like war, but will just defend its own territory and maintain neutrality in issues that really do not involve their own interest.
indonesia only want to take that malay land! that malay land is our land!!!
@@hendrya.l6391 no this just you
... the Philippines does not like war
... will just defend its own territory
... maintain neutrality in issues that really do not involve their own interest
*re-hosts US troops specifically for Taiwan *
One bowling bowl singlehandedly strikes three pins and one hundred plus likes. Epic shot!
Talk about actions speak louder than comments.
@@Moepowerplant China push them to be.........so what will you do if your sovereignty is being disrespected despite of its diplomatic protest. The Philippines is in a difficult situation because of it's geopolitics. These two (2) superpowers believed that whoever controlled the Philippines , controls the Pacific region. So, the Philippines is really under pressure from both Superpower. Both are evil, so we'll just side with the lesser evil....and don't be blind as to how China treat its neighbors in the disputed islands unless you are a CCP propagandist.
@@hendrya.l6391 no I'm not. It's only u
Its not just about being neutral. It is about making true peace and prosperity in the world and for the people. The founding fathers of Indonesia had declared that vision when Indonesia established.
😂 Funny that only the weak country say that. It's adorable that countries try to mask weakness by saying that they only want peace and cooperation. Because they have no other choice but to act like some Swedish clowns.😂 they gonna find out when times are hard you can't PLAY BOTH SIDES
Our foreign policy from Proclamation of Independence has always been "Bebas dan Aktif" - Free and Active. We are enemies of none neither allies of one.
Totally agreat idea!!!! so how do we implement that idea when they start shooting each other above our skies?
And which nation doesn't actually make the same claim?
@@covertpuppytwo3857 which nation does make the same claim?
@@archingelus why are they shooting each other on our skies? We are not their battlefield.
@@kristinemirasol6542 militarily allied? Care to elaborate?
Indonesia is doing very very well
dude i saw ur comment everywhere 😅
My p0or inddia is paying f0r US chin@ rivalrry
Hth Ray even here 😂
Ayo bro, i saw you everywhere, from music chanel, shorts, and now politics 😂
Hai bang
Politically, Indonesia adheres to a free and active policy. but socially, Indonesian people have a long trauma with European colonialism
Sure, we're not a single entity, because we have many races in our nation. But it's undeniable that we shared a history of being a colony nation under foreign power, and that's what ties us. From an Indonesian.
Tapi jujur belanda lebih modern jajahanya dprd jepang.
Dan rumornya juga romusha itu digaji tapi dikorup sama bupatinya engga kayk rodi, dan dikasih sekolah juga kan walaupun jelata, engga kayak Jepun :v
@@nfenro romusha itu dari jepang bro, rodi itu baru dari belanda
@@alfonsor.4161 Awokawoakaowkao
Yet Indonesian people still choose those white people.
America claims that they are only protecting their interests but sticks it’s thumb in everyone’s business.
Indonesia meanwhile says they are only protecting their interests and promotes peace and cooperation with its neighbors.
As a Filipino, I salute our friends to the south.
Indonesia is one of the few country i think has super huge potentiality for becoming power house Japan or Germany like reputation whom none fears but still everyone respects
I mean they have a great geographical location great history and architects huge population
Sure, we have everything except competent politicians that really care about their people.. 🤣🤣
Germany and Japan are US vassal states , they don't have decent militaries
They are economic powers though
japan have declining population problems and germany also...meanwhile indonesia's population are expected to surpass united states around the year 2030-2040s
this video explains alot abt indonesia's geopolitics
ua-cam.com/video/PeY1xkK65Go/v-deo.html
@@ramk2443 they are economic industrial soft-power cultural powerhouses I say
Germany is in NATO and Japan have USA's nuclear umbrella so why even need millitary lol
I take their example casually lol wherever I talk about a powerful yet non global superpower country Germany and Japan comes in mind
@@ramk2443 a vassal states? that's a bit exaggerating but no offense
Being friends with all is most desirable. But it comes with its own risks. Indonesia must strengthen their navy, to protect their neutral sovereignty, in case a foreign thassalocracy comes in under the motto "if you're not with us, you're against us".
Quotes from George W Bush, taken seriously. haha
Do that to neutral country only make new enemies. Try it and people from the future will call it a joke.
It’s easier said than done with so many island and water to protect. Ind does not have the fund to go all out like China or US.
They can try... We have the longest coast line and 17.000 islands... It will not be easy today for someone to just come in and want to dominate our regions.
Yes cause someday Indonesia will be on Russia's side.. trust me.. it's a fate.. been written in Holly Qur'an
Kalau Indonesia terancam. Maka Tentara & Rakyat Indonesia yang melawan untuk Mencari mati bukan menghindari mati. Seperti hal kami melawan penjajah memakai bambu runcing melawan Tank dan senapan mesin. Indonesia Strong 🇲🇨💪🙏🏻
Indonesia is a big and strong nation, we are not afraid to go to war, our citizen is willing to sacrifice their lives.
our history of independence by fighting to the last drop of blood.
The motto of our country is freedom or death.
The reason Indonesia does not support any country is because peace is the most important thing for the survival of mankind.
Without war we all died, soon or later.
war will only destroy the future of our children and grandchildren.
That why
INDONESIA LOVES PEACE 🥰
Indonesia has always remained more or less neutral since the Cold War. I have my own opinions about US and Chinese governments, but regardless, as an Indonesian I tend to be suspicious of both when they make business deals with Indonesia. I would really like Indonesia to remain pretty neutral so that we don't end up getting colonized/exploited by any other country again.
China has never colonized any country, and China has never invaded and deprived any country of its development. We can develop because of our hard work, not war. We haven't had a war for more than 40 years. What we pursue is peace and win-win, not war. If we have money, we will all make it and make the people rich together. We don't bully anyone.
In my beloved country, Indonesia, the religious drunken Kadrun group says Indonesia is being colonized by China even though China has come to invest and bring profits
@@feifei987 Uyghurs:
Reeti Karjalainen
you should go to xinjiang to see the life of native by yourself don't be fooled by western medias
I agree with you. As a Filipino, I also do not trust both countries (China and US).
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한국의 발전에 너무 놀라고 한국을 사랑합니다 :)
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In theory, Indonesia will indeed be neutral, but if we imagine a military confrontation between America and China taking place, Indonesia will certainly take sides if one of the two countries harming Indonesia will actually happen, as long as the two countries do not harm Indonesia, Indonesia will automatically remain neutral. our country does not have a strong navy or air force like other countries, but remember that no one will be safe if an enemy sets foot on the land of the motherland. because the Indonesian people fought together with our army, in a state of emergency there was no Indonesian civil society.
I agree with that, we have a long history of civilian heroes who fought for Indonesia's independence
Both of them wouldn't anyway.
If China attack first, then Indonesia will be sided with US.
If US attack first, then China (and Russia probably) will come to aid Indonesia.
It's just not worth it to attack Indonesia.
Indonesia is a great buffer zone for both China and USA.
Atleast Australia wouldn't get attacked from Indian ocean and China have a peace of mind over Malacca strait.
Also Indonesia have such big teritorry / region, yes the army is strong to protect but the size is... And how long the sea line, even though Indonesia have 278 million people, with how modern war tehcnology now it's difficult
@@secondfirstsecond but there's another way, if you include trading war. Indonesia is one of the biggest market in the world, also here's there's a lot of source for daily human need to survive or other, even China, korea and other depend on Indonesia coal. If they still think what they have to do to survive, to fullfil human need.
@@secondfirstsecond Our military is trained for guerilla warfare any country who want to occupy Indonesia will face heavy resistance more than what soviet and US face in Afghanistan the geography is worst for supply chain and the people is hostile to enemy, one decree from religious leader and local leader is enough to mobilize 20++ million of army/insurgent you should know most Indonesian are religious and patriotic it's the worst enemy we can be fanatic as japanese in WWII and Afghan people, suicide operation is not alien to us. In my opinion yes US & China could defeat Indonesian military but they can't win in a single day since Indonesian territory is very large and they won't stay forever in Indonesia.
Intinya Indonesia tidak mau perang.
Jika Indonesia semakin netral, maka Indonesia juga semakin di hormati dan dihargai, dan berwibawa.
Semua negara tidak ingin menambah musuh. Indonesia adalah netral.
Baik itu blok Barat atau timur, Negara-negara ini, sebisa mungkin tidak ingin menjadikan Indonesia sebagai musuh.
Makasih om
Setujuu 🔥
I wish all countries were like Indonesia, especially those aggressive and hypocritical Anglo-Saxons. Do business, not war. Everyone minding their own business is the only way to maintain world peace.
Its hard, cause there "politic" and U.S country funded by war
Yeah those meddling Anglo-Saxons, such as their aggressive war against ol Harald Hardrada of Norway who just wanted to claim his rightful throne, luckily William the Conquerer destroyed the Anglo-Saxons at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 so you don’t have to worry about them anymore!
indonesia tried to invade malaysia, and succeeded claiming timor leste. thankfully those are a thing of the past, done by different regimes.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 History can be forgiven but not forgotten. During Sukarno reign, many ethnic Chinese were killed unjustly.
@@bananapeeler8797 Suharto not Sukarno, you're mistaken.
Staying out is the right choice. By choosing side Indonesia is bound for destruction, which is cruel to her citizens who have been enduring hardship for so long until president Jokovi comes along to help improve the economy.
Indonesian president look like Indian
Some indonesia said :" just relax ,life to short enjoy smoke and coffe😂".
I believe the whole world supports Indonesia going forward because Indonesia is neutral and loves peace
The hardest part of being neutral in the middle :
The left will see you in the right side, and
The right will see you in the left side.
That being said, we will stay neutral.
One of the advantage of it (and it's a really big advantage because Indonesia has strategic location):
- Both will see you as a potential ally in the future, they will treat you well to appeass you so long you don't take side.
- Oh, may add this too -> none of them can order you around (like what US did to Europe), because you don't have any obligation since you're still indepenent.
Well if you're a leader of the country. You don't play anymore politics, that's only in election days. It is time for you to be a leader and not get involved in politics particularly in foreign policy. It is the reason being a president, you cannot be a celebrity icon but rather a leader of common sense and security.
Indonesian president look like Indian
G20 shenanigans just past november 2022 shows that.
@@dontbeallergictostudying9179 USA threatens us constantly, you know.
1000 friends are too few, 1 enemy is too many. Non bloc foreign politics is the best
INDONESIA is a COUNTRY and a NATION that was created and born to maintain WORLD PEACE.
Yes, he is a truly great leader of our nation Indonesia 🇮🇩
Indonesia is very important for US and China.
And because of these, Indonesia will always be neutral.
Because of these also indonesia will always become a political battleground
@@HH-he4pw gimana GK tempur ngaps di atas cina di bawah Australia alias mata matanya mamarika gila ,😑😑😬😬😬😬😱😱😱😱😱😱
Funny, 30 years ago, no one bothers about us at ASEAN. Now, the whole world pay attention to us. Life is dynamic.
@Aang Hidayat What do you mean?
Indonesia is not sandwiched between two superpowers. Indonesia is becoming a superpower.
Indonesia is a peace-loving country as much as possible in order to prevent major wars like the second world war in the past.. but we will never run away if the war really comes to us.
Although India has been doing it's balancing act but i have to say now i also admire Indonesia balancing especially on North Korea and South Korea issues as well hat's off 🙋
Indonesian country will gain more by being independent, and if a country like India can be independent without joining either the Russian or American side, so can be Indonesia
对 印尼就是要世界平和
Indonesia is neither friends for everyone, nor enemies for anyone. We stand for humanity.
Impressive analysis. Just being unbiased and point out the facts while chiming the light onto Indonesia's future in intriguing way.
As an Indonesian I don't side with any country, China who often provokes in Natuna and America with their arrogance.. So we are between two camps✌️😅
Dun you read Indonesia and China have no territorial dispute more so on Natuna..... Only US is stirring the muddy waters all around the world in the name of Rule Based Order World, in which has nothing to do with International Law. Even US didn't ratify the UNCLOS meaning they may object if any countries start to sail 12 nautical miles off its coast. Pacific and Atlantic are huge oceans as natural protective barriers for the US. If the opinion is from Japan, then I could understand as it is not a natural country and must obey US's policy.
@@Facts..Checker why do you still put ships in Natuna sea. It is indonesian sea. If you want to be there asked permission like American did.
I hope Indonesia just co-operate with us India in bay of Bengal. We don't want our waters to be next south China sea. We must co-operate, the last tsunami told and showed us how important it is for us to co-operate 👍
Indonesian president look like Indian
Stay neutral is the safest. 👍
Indonesia ♥
President Widodo refers to China as "Tiong Kok" as opposed to the somewhat derogatory "Cina". Malaysian politicians always use "Cina" although Lim Guan Eng of opposition Democratic Action Party sometimes uses orang "Tiong Hua"' in reference to Chinese in his own country. Lim Guan Eng also knows the difference and doesn't want to denigrate his own race. We salute President Widodo for respecting the Chinese.
Even the indonesians called chinese people tionghoa
thanks to the most humanist previous Indonesian president, KH. Adurrahman Wahid (Gus Dur) that set the rules for mentioning any Chinese ethnic descendants as "tionghoa" in our country.. the anti-chinese negative sentiment here in malaca straits, was part of Western Colonialism era.. neither Dutch or British used to separate their colony people's by their identity, wether it's by ethnic, religion, etc.. anti-chienese sentiment not only happened in Indonesia, but also in Malaysia and Brunei.. hope the world could really studied about democracy from Indonesia, not from US.. and hope the world could also learned the true Islam from Indonesian too, not from any Middle-East peoples that seems just can't get along well within their own neighborhood..
In indonesia
Tiongkok(china)
Tionghoa(chinese people)
@@lihatkesini I long for the day where Asians unite against these European invaders.
@@lihatkesini Malaysia should start calling their Chinese people "Orang Tiong Hoa"; the Chinese language "Bahasa Tiong Hoa" and China "Tiong Kok."
Indonesia akan di perebutkan negara negara super power, karena negara yang kaya sumber alam ,penduduknya banyak dan letak geografisnya strategis
there's no point in picking sides right now when everything seems peaceful. picking a side is only asking for trouble.
BUT, you still need to react quickly should there be any force majeur event.
You cannot find an ally when everythig is just too late.
America and the WEst wont accept neutrality.
@@ilhamrj2599 you don't need make one of them to be your alley, what you need is make both of them not your enemy
What makes you think like that anyway?i wanna know your thought on this matter
@@ilhamrj2599 what kind of major event? China invading it's closest economic friend? That sounds absurd, and for what reason?
This the best example for all country around the world of how to maintain relationships and care to each other without compromising whether you're on west or east side
The dynamics of foreign relations is competition. It does not drive cooperation as a building block but a means to outsmart one over the other. The outcome will always be conflict. Peace will never grow in this context.
Indonesia's approach is an admirable measure given the current context fraught with risks.
Indonesia had been doing its best to demand as much economic and military benefits as possible from both countries' emerging tirade and rising rivalry, knowing full well either one is more than willing to pass out 'goodies' to acquire more strategic advantages from biggest member within ASEAN. So far, it had played both its cards really well and enjoying the outcome. 👨🎓👩🎓
this kinda remind me charles darwin quote
"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one more responsive to change."
Like how Neanderthals species extinct, even though they have bigger brain and body, because of this power they fail to work together, meanwhile the sapiens are weaker in features, but because they're weak, they able to low their ego and work together.
SEA must stay neutral. I personally stand on the side of economic stability and peace. That means I’m not a fan of beggar-thy-neighbour policies, blockades and war-mongering.
That is simply not possible. Most of ASEAN has so many issues and disputes with China and most of them are already allied with the US. Indonesia can stay neutral but the rest of that region already chose a side long ago.
@@Infiltrator_ wrong. Read the statement when they visited the White House. I am in this diverse region. The majority of the people agree on neutrality. The countries' actions suggest this, too.
@@pr0newbie
What you said would be true If we didn’t have the data online. I can’t send links here because the reply doesn’t send If I do but If you look up the World populations study and statistics you’d see that the Philippines ranked 3rd place as one of the most pro US countries. About 78% of survey respondents expressed positive attitudes towards the United States. South Korea ranked 4th. South Korea has a favorability rating of 75%. While Japan ranked 11th. Funny enough the Vietnamese ranked first place.
Most pro American countries
World population review is your source. It’s safe to say that most ASEAN has already chosen a side. Most of them have a common enemy and for that reason see the US as an ally.
Won't be surprised if America tries to stir something up in South East Asia, learn from the middle east. Stay away from the China-USA push and pull.
@@Infiltrator_ "most of them are already allied with the US" what obvious delusion, as always, the typical american believes other will do what they want them to do.
selling weapons to vietnam, the philippines, indonesia, etc does not make them "allies" and believing as such is, in the typical american fashion, completely ignorant of the internal politics and considerations within their own countries.
this ridiculous and domineering attitude all too common among westerners and especially americans is detested globally, sometimes even in the west itself.
the us does itself no favours when both its government and citizenry have the delusion that the united states is so powerful that no nation can oppose it, believing that it can do whatever it pleases, and that all nations must be subject to its bidding.
Honestly, the US can cause a lot of trouble for Indonesia, but the US values Indonesian democracy. Bear that in mind.
LOL! Ask about it for North Natuna to china🤣
Well i guess this is why we hate the us, they are arrogant af. Not to mention us DID cause a lot of trouble for indonesia in its early stages.
I'll convinced rulers to go to wars against China if they claimed north n atune sea, no any problem at all, we already lost so many lands caused by weaklings in past, almost lost Aceh and Papua now, our neighboors are our current enemy
No, the US doesn't value anyone's anything. The US is literally the main actor behind the rise of Indonesia's ONLY dictator who ruled for 30+ years. The US only cares about others being with them, they don't actually care if it's democracy or whatever, they will use that narrative against their enemies but not if the countries are with them.
I am Chinese, and war will never occur on the mainland of China or the mainland of the United States. War may occur in third countries, such as the Russo Ukrainian War. The superpower will never be defeated and can only wait for its own disintegration, just like the Soviet Union. The independence of each state in the United States will disappear and it will not be defeated by another country. Neighbors cannot be moved away and are not suitable as enemies
Indonesia be like : "your friend may be my friend too.. but your enemy is not necessarily my enemy"
I think Indonesia have potential to become a great power or mini superpower in the future, if so they can stay out of these conflicts and create a bloc of their own, most likely the other ASEAN nations.
With so many separatist movements lurking around Indonesia?Nope. Indonesia will become easy prey to China should Taiwan&US fail.
@@hyewon_6311 hmmm no, its different
@@hyewon_6311 fr? Are u a korean? Judging people from it's face? That's an korean typical
@@raihannafis9863 His face is weird lol. His face is bad. His face is not normal
That's if Indonesia can get the rest of SE Asia to formally follow its lead as it already dominates the bloc and region... and yielding to a hegemon is anathema to being "non-aligned"
hal terpenting bagi Indonesia adalah dapat hidup berdampingan secara damai, indonesia selalu termotivasi untuk menjadi sahabat bagi semua negara 🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🤝💖
Betul
Tergantung presidennya sih, 😌
wkwk emot benderanya monaco
@@justmerigh2508 benar juga, tapi apapun pandangan politik setiap presiden terpilih diindonesia tetap akan kedepankan perdamaian dunia karena itu sudah diatur dalam amandemen undang - undang dasar negara Indonesia. indonesia negara non blok, semua adalah teman bagi indonesia💪
@@chequitadabitch5157 😂😂😂😂, yang penting merah putih ❤
Since the Cold War era between the Soviet Union and the United States, Indonesia has shown its role as a world peacemaker in the non-aligned campaign with India, Yugoslavia and Egypt. The world should be grateful to the Indonesian nation and its people who love peace.
It's literally the country that first created the term "3rd World Country" because they dont want to be associated with the West (1st world) or East (2nd world)
Since independence, Indonesian foreign relations have adhered to a "free and active" foreign policy, seeking to play a role in regional affairs commensurate with its size and location but avoiding involvement in conflicts among major powers.
Except when they went to war with Malaysia when they were become independent
As long as Indonesia maintains an independent and neutral policy, we are confident of defeating the United States.
@@hypasheep yeah blame soekarno for that one
IMF and Belt Road Initiative is DEPT TRAP #FvckChina #FvckUSA
Back in the 60s, Indonesia and China had a pretty acrimonious relationship, but it has improved a lot since then. Perhaps still not exactly 'friendly', but they can talk and do business. That's progress.
After all, the indonesia has killed thousands of Chinese people in 1998, if you take a look at the history, you'll see the results
@@alisonzhang702 Yes, but that was more a result of the '97 financial crisis and general hatred of ethnic Chinese in Indonesia. It was not due to bad relations with China.
@@pjacobsen1000 But it formed a bad relationship since then!
But anyway, just hope for the peace of the whole world
@@alisonzhang702 No, the relationship has improved since then. More trade, more investments, more diplomatic talks.
Too dangerous for Indonesia if choose one side with look Geopolitics too close with China military base in South China Sea or US Military Base in Asia-Pacific region
Ask Belgium & Ukraine what neutrality did to them.
dengan china indonesia berkonflik karena lcs, tpi sejak dahulu indonesia juga sudah di kepung oleh pangkalan militer usa, sering indonesia di mata-matai oleh australia.. huff..
@@manukemprit1442 Emangnya PKC juga enggak mata-matain Indonesia? Udah dari dulu "dikepung" pangkalan Amerika tapi enggak diserang-serang kan? Sementara PKC baru naik daun dikit udah songong bikin kilang di LCS.
Tipu-tipu PKC itu 11-12 sama Rusia. Rusia bilang NATO ngancem, lah negara Baltik udah dari taun berapa jadi NATO enggak nyerang-nyerang tuh. Negara halu dipercaya.
Neutral, Indonesia only on Indonesia side. 👍
@@mbahremuk Timor-Timur, Pulau Sipadan, Pulau Ligitan, Serawak (Dwikora) hingga Papua rencana Merdeka dari NKRI, semua atas dukungan blok Barat (Inggris, Aussie, AS). Belum lagi disekeliling Indo terdapat sedikitnya 15 pangkalan militer AS.
Sementara isu klaim China thd LCS sdh dari thn 1947 (11-dash line), 10 thn sblm Natuna gabung NKRI thn 1956, itupun yg bertumpuk sebatas ZEE (laut lepas, bukan teritori kedaulatan), ZEE antar negara ASEAN sendiri saling bertumpuk contohnya Indo dengan Vietnam bertumpuk 370km2
Tapi yg digoreng & diprovokasi media & militer AS cuma isu China biar terjadi Perang Pasifik, setelah AS obok2 Timteng
The rational choice for every sovereign country must be indipendent from both those superpowers.
@@gflaubert3423 if Australia choose USA and attack Chinese company, then it's not even neutral like New Zealand, so why blame China boycott Australia goods?
@@gflaubert3423 China already knows that Indonesia won't choose sides, it is written in our Constitution to not pick sides, that's why Indonesia does not host foreign military base even after China and the US pleaded.
Unless attacked, it's safe to say Indonesia will remain neutral and continuing arming itself for the inevitable confrontation between the US and China in Indo-Pacific
@@gflaubert3423 in your dream 😏
@@gflaubert3423 United States is coming
wuuush BOOOM human rights,
man
we are not the middle east and ukraine that you can easily incite .
@@gflaubert3423 woaah really, we know better what's going on than you, we know why America is always at war,
after the middle east was destroyed and sacrificed (Muslims) as terrorists,
now you move arena to Ukraine and try a new arena in southeast asia,,
we will not be swayed by western or American propaganda,
who always say loudly about human rights but you are also the ones who violate human rights the most .
President Jokowi is an absolute skillful in dealing all major issues,including international geopolitics. His cool hands are able to embrace all parties.
Indonesia has remained its geopolitical actions when most of the conflicts occurred on some parts of the world. Basically, based to Indonesians constitution, "Against colonialism over the world..." and also "Create Peace over the World...". Its also proved by Indonesian military or police servicement to UN Peacekeeping Force to another country which are facing some conflicts
That is interesting considering many Indonesian netizens seem to cheer Russia’s occupation and attack in Ukraina.
@@rosefamilia3169 there is a significant anti-Americanism, yes we can say hate towards the US is the general population.
Example: If there is a choice in between Trump and Biden, and you do not vote, you will support Trump.
Being neutral supports the extremists. It has always been like this.
@@rosefamilia3169 that's because we like Russia more than double standard Western
@@rosefamilia3169 then you need to search what the reasons behind that
5:28 I'm Indonesian, I've never known this person, especially from an unknown university, what are his capabilities to be selected as a resource person? 7:49 He said that the US is always less threatening? what a joke.
The way they ruined Indonesia by placing dictator for 32 years smh 🤦🏻♂️
Well proximity wise they are less threatening, china on the other hand is closer. It's best to stay neutral to reap the benefits military tech from the US and economic investments from China
He probably referred to a public sentiment of Indonesian rather than from historical events.
there's a lot famous professional politic n security analyst but idk why scmp chose him
Yeah, at that point i dropped the video as a legit source of information, truth be told we indonesians have about the same, slightly more, slightly less distrust in regards to both countries, neither the government nor people seem to have keen interest choosing a side over another, his words just made it seem like he had consumed a little too many western propaganda
I am more astonished with Mr Widodo for being neutral as center rivalry between US and China in ASEAN position
@@hyewon_6311 skin doesnt matter, results matter
@@krispradanaratana8368 Indonesian president look like Indian lol. When I look at the thumbnail, I thought he's Indian
@@hyewon_6311 We are a hindu nation once so yeah
Perfect for indonesia, own being an independent country, I have in the hands of the people its own destiny according to the collective interest.
Stay strong, Indonesia 🇮🇩.
Tetap kuat, Indonesia .
Indonesian president look like Indian
The World need 3rd non aligned superpower that can balance the other 2.
agreed
Indonesia has always been a mediator between countries involved in conflict, hopefully Indonesia's position in the international arena makes Indonesia a respected, respected, trusted country to make peace in the world, because participating in maintaining world order is the mandate of our constitution.
Sure let's forget what happened in Indonesia in 1998
@@youtubeshadowbannedme Don't forget, but take it as a lesson so it will not be repeated. Every country have dark history afterall. What's awesome about Indonesia is, the people can make movement to detrone dictator. Some countries are not that lucky.
@@youtubeshadowbannedme yes, it can be a lesson
@@youtubeshadowbannedme take it as a lesson
The thing is China won't ask Indonesia to take side, but the US will because it is so eagerly trying to contain China. so be careful on what you choose
if China is the agressor, of course it wont be necessary to ask Indonesia to take side. They wouldve just grabbed Indonesia instead without taking permission like the one they did with Nine-dash line.
Politically speaking, the nine-dash line thing is enough to push public to side with anyone else other than China.
If China keeps pushing the nine-dash line narratives,,, of course there would never be any military alliance with China...
Like USA did just recently in G20
Indonesia want peace, stability and prosperity. Indonesia will enter a war only when its national soverignty is violated by military force of a foreign country.
Cough east timor cough cough
cough cough south mollucas, west papua
@@timothytimothy4854 that was in the second president regime, he is a dictator that also have killed a lot of indonesian that's why we indonesians can't do much when he invaded east timor
@@timothytimothy4854 cough cough American backed president cough cough
Honestly the war between east timor and other oceanic countries was because of Indonesia's poor governance, and that was before the 21st century when Indonesia was lead by a dictator. Nowadays, in this century we want none of that but only peace.
All Asia nations should promote peace and stability, and focus on development. Especially should keep US warmonger out of Asia and not interfere our Asia affairs. so that this century will be Asia time.
Oh and this will not be the Asian century we will make sure of it no matter what ☢️
China is the true warmonger
Then u should Talk to Pakistan and china..
@@hemanyadav1303 No . U.S always is the one who making mess around the world.
@@hemanyadav1303 tell me, how many wars that both China and the US inflicted past 100 years?
At this time Mr. Joko Widodo has landed in Beijing, China and Yesterday Mr. Mark Miley the Chairman of Joints Chief of the Staff US visited Indonesia, what a coincidence by SCMP 😄
INDONESIA NEUTRAL COUNTRY...
WE ARE INDONESIA 🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩
_China to Indonesia:_ Be our friend and we’ll give you money! *or else..*
_USA to Indonesia:_ Let us set military bases on your land or else you’ll be our enemy!
_Indonesia:_ can’t we just get along… 😭😢😰
Indonesia must put ASEAN and Asia region in mind for making any strategic decisions. Letting countries from faraway continent to dictate will be disaster eventually. Do not be scare out by current hegemony. Your neighbors will be around for the next thousands years.
It's the close neighbors who always annoy us, look down on us, underestimate us
The editor of SCMP was serously make a great thumbnail 👏
Indonesia: "Chill dude, we will hear all your problems. But don't force us to take sides"
Indonesia is an example of neutral foreign policy. ❤ from Pakistan
The stakes are high and As Indonesian, I totally agree that Indonesia has to be always remain neutral.
as long as that peace and neutrality comes from respect for Indonesian territorial integrity.
If for example: China still dare claim Natuna?
Let's see if China likes it if all its transports passing Indonesia are blocked.
Indonesia is not ambitious, we just want to trade, and to be left alone in peace.
We barely take no side. That's our international "attittude" and "policy".
Indonesian president look like Indian
@@hyewon_6311 maybe one of your eyes is partialy blind
@@hyewon_6311 maybe one of your eyes is partialy blind
@@f.s.firdaus8106 Indonesian president look like Indian lol
@@f.s.firdaus8106 I've never seen Indonesian before, and this Indonesian president looks very Indian