At this point, the only thing that would really excite me is if they actually gave us proper ports of the first 4 Silent Hills. These games are art, and art shouldn’t fade from history because it’s stuck on old consoles that will eventually stop working, leaving future generations with no means of ever experiencing it.
That's pretty much why the emulation scene will never go away no matter how much the game companies crow on about it. If I'd happily pay for something but you won't sell it me, then fuck it; I'll just get that thing some other way.
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 "putting them on the new hardware" not neccesarily that easy. To the point where sometimes it would probably be easier to just start from scratch
I heard about this and was like "Neat, I liked the first one. It'd be cool to revisit it all these years later." Then I saw that Bloober Team were involved and thought "Nah, dawg. Let's leave those good memories alone."
TBF I think gameplay wise bloober's stuff is fine. I think they just need to find a good writer. Fingers crossed they have a good one though I'm not holding my breath since a friend said the writer for Silent Hill F writes edgelord visual novels. 😬
One of the interviews from the head developer of Bloober Team said that Konami gave them a near unlimited budget and that raised every red flag for me.
@@zaktookthis1341 Some of the best ideas are born from necessity. There are multiple examples (Jaws is a famous one) but if we want to stay with SIlent Hill the entire point of the fog in the first games was to mask the limitations of the hardware that was unable to handle a small "open world". So, with unlimited budget, they'll be able to make things big and amazing which may not be the best for a horror game.
That's VERY ironic considering Konami has had issues with Hideo Kojima in the past going over budget when the Metal Gear games were so successful, and anything with his name on the box art would guarantee sales. Sounds like they're just trying to backpedal by handing a beloved franchise to a team with mixed success/little video game development backround.
@@francesco8000 true but sometimes not enough budget is just not enough budget. not every necessity can be sated with just a good idea, there's a lot of ideas men out there and giving their "innovations" a shot will not always work but always be at least a bit of a drain on the time and resources that are currently available
2:40 to 3:28 is one of the BEST takes I've ever heard about the creation of art and can be applied to pretty much every medium. I've always held it to be true that 'mistakes' are inherent to any piece of media and are often times very benefitial, it's just great to hear someone say it in such a coherent manner.
perfectly explains the issues with the majora’s mask remake on 3ds, if you don’t understand what made something great in the first place you’re bound to mess it up
Meanwhile, Capcom is putting their A team on the RE franchise development. Konami? Naaah, we'll just outsource all this shit and see what sticks. Quantity over quality and all that.
@@mouthmw "I mean c'mon, who could we even get to make a good silent hill game? I can't think of any big names in horror who are interested in making a silent hill game." ~ Konami, aka "Fuck You" Konami
@@mouthmw They picked studios and writers that actually do horror, not guys who did a karaoke on Wii or shitty GI Joe game like they did before. That's a clear improvement.
Only thing to note on Silent Hill Fffffffffff is that the writer of Higurashi is working on it, and that is one of the best examples of small Japanese town horror out there and honestly one of the best Visual Novel series to boot, so big hopes for that.
A writer with a history of horror under his belt and can tell a good and scary story? I'll have to look up his stuff. I give it a month before Konami fires him for no reason.
@@jhairccorimanya1806 You think I would joke about something like that? No, of course not. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. Ryukishi07 is writing Silent Hill F, and he wrote both the Higurashi and Umineko visual novels, and they are both peak fiction.
The people in the announcement literally said "The movie is the catalyst for the revival of Silent Hill". They said, AND I QUOTE, "We are also doing our best to make sure that our games are AS GOOD AS THE FILM." To people that haven't been around for the past 16 years, this sort of language should be concerning.
Yeh idk why the guys so cynical this is the first silent hill game we’ve gotten in 7 years or so so even if it sucks it’s a sign we’ve got their attention
@@heidiherndon3890 So, any attention is good attention? How about we just let the games die respectfully instead of bastardizing the series with new retconned ideas and idiots proclaiming, "respecting the source material" when they actually mean they want to copy Silent Hill 2 and base it off of a fanfiction of that game? You fans are silly with your "as long as we have the games around, it's fine" mentality.
@@richardmurphy7451 cause I personally want a new silent hill game eventually and if konami knows the franchise has a following they'll keep going till they get it right you don't have to play it if you don't want to but don't say it would be better of dead if there are still fans interested in new stories from the silent hill franchise and besides you don't loose anything if they make a game you don't plan on buying
@@heidiherndon3890 Yes, that company that fans continually berate, belittle, and demonize. It's funny to me that a lot of fans are suddenly on board with this company when I heard for two months about how Konami sucks and they aren't worth a damn. So, suddenly they are a company you back, eh? Imagine that.... Fans get their way and suddenly are friends with the company again, lol What new stories? If the Transmission is anything to go by, it's quite clear what's on their minds: Silent Hill 2. Also, considering with each new developer we slowly see the lore and narrative being pushed to the back, it's safe to assume those stories will be irrelevant or have little to do with Silent Hill as a whole. At this point, it is only Silent Hill in name alone.
@@heidiherndon3890 "It's a sign we've got their attention" Are you 5 or are you just painfully naive at how the video game industry has been in recent years.
I was watching Konami's stream of this, and the second Bloober Team was confirmed to be the one developing Silent Hill 2 Remake a bunch of people were like "F***ing Bloober Team. I'm out."
The best horror moments in dead space 3 are when one of the character is having hallucinations and the other is perfectly normal and all he can do is looking at the other player losing his mind. So even in a co-op horror the only times they really managed to create good horror was when they the players were isolated in their own different experiences.
Honestly that feels that the closet to a multiplayer horror game. Have it 2 player were some each have seperate experiences while playing in the same area. Feels very proof of concept but probably could work.
I liked the sort of looming existential horror of imminent extinction that came from the more "cosmic horror" vibe of 3. Feels very similar to Lovecraft's "At The Mountains Of Madness." That said, 3 is the least scary of all 3, with most of the immediate horror sectioned off for the weird, occasional co-op for the second player only. Like... why?
I love Extra Punctuation and I'm glad you brought it to youtube. ZP feels like listening to Yahtzee at a standup-comedy club, joking about politics, society and such. Meanwhile EP feels like he joins you at your table afterwards for a beer, and discusses the contents of his jokes more sincerely and more personally.
I wonder how it too as long to get Yahtzee to do extra comments outside of his videos, I think he was doing a written but then probably not without someone to take the editing work load off of his plate probably.
Bloober Team doing SH2 is the most worrying part of everything. Combat and interactivity were crucial to that game and not a single Bloober game has either of those done well.
hold on, you didn't just claim that combat was crucial to SH2. Did you even play the game? it had probably the worst combat imaginable. interactivity? walk and press X to find stuff. You're way off. SH2 is all about atmosphere, story, sound design. Everything else is in the noise
I liked the Silent Hill movie. Hiring dancers to play the monsters and having them be costumes/live action as much as possible was great. The nurse scene near the end is still incredibly tense
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 Because brand recognition. I'm not saying the movie was a masterpiece of storytelling but especially after I watched the making of on the DVD copy I got a huge appreciation of all the talent the set and costume designers had. The director literally said he did't have Harry from SH1 looking for his daughter because he thought people would relate more to a mother than a father. It's not a great movie but it looks super good imo and it does have some really good scenes
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421Probably because the original game’s monster design sucked and wouldn’t have made for interesting horror sequences. Which was something the movie actually did well 🤷♂️ Also they’re iconic, hard to blame the producers for wanting their inclusion in the story. Of course they didn’t belong in it. Their mistake was choosing to adapt the first game instead of the second which has far more material for a movie
They definitely aren't good movies, but I really like them. Bad horror is almost always enjoyable, and say what you will about the acting and writing but it's aesthetically gorgeous.
You should see the Silent Hill 2 Remake video on UA-cam. I can't tell if people are hyped that 2 is getting a remake (obvious cashgrab from Konami, why not start with 1 which is way older) or if it's because the franchise itself was brought back just to beat its corpse over and over again.
@lorenzo romano I mean yeh silent hill 2 remakes gonna be cash grab silent hill 2 og was a cash grab the video game industry very rarely puts artistic freedom at the forefront of their design which is depressing but also hopeful because if the original was amazing even though it’s main goal was to make a boatload of money then this could be the same way we get great video games not when a triple A company puts profit in the backseat (because they never will) it’s when they know to let their creatives be creative and loosen the reigns a bit and wile there are some mediocre companies involved the projects being spearheaded by the people who made layers of fear and silent hill f has an amazing writer on board and the fact that Konami is making 3 games from a franchise that isn’t 100% a money maker anymore, I feel is hopeful
I started reading higurashi since the announcment of silent hill f (since it's the same writer), and so far it's amazingly chilling and tense (at least once it gets going, it's a bit of a slow burn). So if silent hill f *does* come out, I'd like to think it's in good hands; and if it doesn't at least it got me to read higurashi.
I am on the last chapter, and I’ve got his next game, Umineko on my list. There are flaws, especially toward the end, when things start getting revealed, but R07 has a really great understanding of the tension that comes from the unknown.
A mean a good horror game is fun and all but we want a good Silent Hill game. The whole point of SH is SH... the fact the town itself feels alive. A random village in Japan might as well be its own IP as i feel they're likely going to force a dumb SH connection in.
F might or might not be a good game, since we know literally nothing whatsoever about its gameplay there's no way of knowing at the moment, but Ryuukishi07's involvement does make it likely it will at least be a good _horror story._ What it has NO chance of being is a good _Silent Hill game._
When making the original, the director specifically told the actors to speak their lines weird. I believe Guy Cihi said that they told they told them to space out the syllables every now and then, and speak kinda blandly and then go emotional for a couple words randomly, shit like that to make the characters intentionally feel odd. Nowadays if you don't know that it just seems like bad voice acting that worked out for the better. However, I worry about the remake because (among other many reasons) I doubt they'll ever direct it like that. They're going to do the same thing that the HD remaster and try to make it sound all professional and it just won't make the characters feel like they do in the original.
Can you provide a reference to the actual interview with the director of Silent Hill 2 where he specifically says this? I must have seen pretty much all of the interviews available online and I've never heard anyone on the team say this. It also just sounds exactly like the sort of silly rumor SH2 fans would spread around to justify the amateurish voice acting, so I call bullshit on this. The voice acting is bad because this was 2001, and almost all voice acting in video games was complete shit at the time.
IIRC they were wanting to imitate Twin Peaks. The dialogue in that series tends to do similar things delivery wise. I'm going to assume it was intentional for the line read to sound like that
In a way yes, we didn't buy enough copies when they still had the full original team around, if we did they would have made a least a few more good SH games before handing the IP to random western teams.
Frankly, given how dickish Konami has treated their Horror franchise prior to the swarm of silent hill releases they announced (From homecoming, downpour, those pachinko machines, canceling silent hills) I'm on my guard for what these new entries will bring.
Actually, a friend, a marketing exec, proposed a rather plausibly justifiable theory about the Pochinko machines debacle that actually made sense. Made me feel better about the past 7 years.
@@xcellentcreations3312 I'd tell you, but not interested in arguing with people about it and dreading seeing the notification icon light up. Just wanted to share that there is possibly a good reason they did that.
I was wanting someone to say cool the jets. I saw the presentation and I was first like awesome. 5 silent hill projects. But then remembered the collection, behavior past few years with HD collection, metal gear 5 and survive, and canning of PT to be more cautiously optimistic
@@redwallfan123 Same, and the only project I'm cautiously optimistic about is SH f, cus at least the idea behind it is pretty different from the others, with the whole japanese setting, so at least the chances of being like the ones made by american studios is slimer
The only thing from this I have any hope for is Silent Hill F, as it's looking to go for the whole Silent Hill 4 gambit of exploring a new concept adjacent to the original games, and the project writer, Ryukishi07 (it's their pen name, don't be a pedantic twat about it) made a visual novel series "When They Cry", specifically Higurashi and Umineko, that I've heard are very good and well written, so hopefully Silent Hill f will also be well written. Though again that just adds a few percentage points to the ??? probability scale, but hey it has higher chances of being decent than the Silent Hill 2 remake at least Well, that and the Shiba Inu Silent Hill 2 ending figurine. I don't care what anyone else says, that is a brilliant idea and I want one
The project I'm most interested in would be Silent Hill: Townfall. Not only is No Code working on it (I friggin' loved Observation), but it seems like it may be trying to do its own thing with the IP.
I feel that, I'm used to being the sole voice of dissent I can find with a lot of new releases like this. I see people getting drunk on the hype and blindly praising things that range from the insulting to the offensively bad, and I often feel like I'm the one saying that The Emperor Is Naked and getting flamed for it.
This video is literally regurgitating the most popular takes on the remake. If you search for "Silent Hill 2 remake" on YT this sort of thing is almost all you can find, so I don't get why you're pretending this is somehow "refreshing skepticism." It is literally the most popular opinion.
The thing that caught my attention in the livestream was when they mentioned that it'd been almost three years since they approached Masahiro Ito about the remake, at which point I did the math and said "so you noticed the boatload of cash Capcom made off the Resident Evil 2 remake and you want in on that, got it", and the rest of the presentation just cemented that conclusion.
I'm at least cautiously optimistic about f because of the writer, Ryukishi07, who has an absolutely stellar track record with psychological/nightmarish horror as well as someone who clearly understands people a lot (he has a background as a social worker). Not to mention f seems to be set in a small Japanese town, which is a setting he's familiar with as it's the setting of what is arguably his most famous and beloved visual novel Higurashi. Also I don't think it's fair to say that the voice acting in 2 is a happy accident, especially when you take into consideration Monica Taylor Horgan's excellent performance through and through, and the fact that the characters who do have strange line deliveries are all severely psychologically damaged weirdos who don't know how to even properly interact with other humans, it only makes sense they'd come across as stilted and awkward.
@@THO743 Y'all should look into his body of work, it's actually some real shit. And honestly part of me doesn't really care if you could reasonably not call it Silent Hill, I'm just excited for a big survival horror game being written by him.
@@THO743 I'm actually very interested in what he has in store for Silent Hill f, since Silent Hill is a psychological horror and Ryukishi07 is really good at writing that.
I saw a problem when James had an emotion in the new scenes. His not seeming to care was important. It made him more distant from what he had done and showed that he didn't comprehend or care for his crime.
Thank you, exactly! Seeing the NuJames' face all crumpled when he took the noose, I'm like, "Okay, these people don't get it." The subtle/blank face from the original is marvelous--could be read as longing for the noose, for release...or something else entirely!
Yea - it also makes him saying his wife has been dead for years more believable. He comes off as distant and numb which fits his whole deal. Him looking like he's about to cry fucks it up.
I will never get over the fact that the people who made the hallway baby that hilariously bonks its head on a cabinet over and over again somehow got selected to make the new Silent Hill 2 Remake.
Theres more to the game than 1 handpicked meme. I played a chunk of the game and I was spooked quite a few times. Not saying the studio shouldn’t be criticized. If we applied this to skyrim’s an arrow to the knee meme and I judged the entirety of a game known for dense narratives and character progression on a memeable moment from the game, the argument would be nulled by the gaming public. The studio has potential, but a smaller portfolio with some flawed entries. Sure we can criticize from their past, but let’s see if they do better with a game that’s already laid out for them from beginning to end.
@@spinachtron The arrow to the knee thing is very different. Skyrim isn’t a horror game and so little completely intentional gags like that or the Sweet Roll line do not interrupt your immersion or the overall atmosphere The baby moment in Layers of Fear completely takes you out of the game and remains in your mind for the rest of your play through as a blatant example of poor game development and poor scare writing. It isn’t the fact that it’s memeable that creates the problem, plenty of horror games have been the victim of fanbase shitposting. It’s the fact that it’s just bad.
I’m not sure how much Yahtzee knows about visual novels (not a dig), but if I had to guess the reason SHF is set in Japan, it seems to be because of the writer, Ryukishi07. He was the writer of a series of visual novels, all collectively under the banner “When They Cry”, with far and away the most popular one being “Higurashi When They Cry”, which has like 12 animes out. Higurashi is HEAVILY steeped in Japanese horror and superstition, and while I don’t have much experience with the rest of the WTC series, it seems like keeping the horror very Japanese might be what Ryukishi07 wants to do. That’s what I think at least, and I could be totally and completely wrong, so take my opinion as such.
Umineko was set in Japan too, but with more western horror involved. Same 1980s time period too. And Ciconia's protagonist is Japanese. It's his wheelhouse. Silent Hill f will surely be good, it's just a question of how related to the main Silent Hill mythos it will be. P.T./Silent Hills was a similarly great departure though, and people loved it anyway
I'm extremely interested in Silent Hill f due to who's writing it, and nothing will un-hype me for it. But that being said, I have no emotional investment in it actually being Silent Hill. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up feeling like something else that they slapped the brand on for marketing purposes.
The thing about group horror is, at least for now, it only works in one of two variations: 1. The group starts getting smaller, i.e. people in the group start getting killed off or "disappearing". The tension there is the dread that you will either be one of the people silently taken/killed or you will be the last one remaining against an unknown entity. Either way, it ultimately results in solo horror. 2. The group begins to distrust each other. In this instance the horror is more paranoia than anything else as everyone in the group doesn't know who in the group is a friend, and who is trying to kill them. This is group horror only in the sense that a group of people is involved, but ultimately they are very isolated from each other.
I’ve heard in rando forums that the “f” of Silent Hill f might actually be the musical symbol for Forte. I.e. Loudness. And the notion of Loud Silence is very clever; which makes me think it’s wrong as Konami is antithetical to Subtlety.
Given how derivative and unoriginal all their games are this might actually be perfect for them. It's like they're finally dropping the pretence that they have any of their own ideas.
Just by the amount of announced SH games, I can imagine board meeting prior to green lighting those projects starting like this: "Remakes of Resident Evil and new entries are selling like cupcakes..."
The fact that Konami makes anything is a dealbreaker for me. Metal Gear: Survive & Contra: Rogue Core proves how little they care about quality control.
I'm in the same boat, although I do get caught watching the occasional trailer for something that interests me; though I don't tend to take it any further than one or two, 'cause trailers tend to also include a lot of spoilers. Really, it all started with me just trying to avoid spoilers, but it's nice being a bit more grounded in my expectations of games.
It's alarming that Yahtzee's best case scenario for the SH2 remake is Gus Van Sant's version of _Psycho._ It makes me imagine Vince Vaughn as James' voice actor 😐
Also when you watched the Silent Hill showcase event, didn't it feel like all the hosts in that event were pretty much dead inside. Like they didn't feel like they actually were excited about all this.
7:45 Now I want a range of novelty cookbooks that use horror words, as in: 1. Lightly torture the steaks. 2. Flay the potatoes until golden brown. 3. Maim the mushrooms over a bed of rice.
It's honestly refreshing to see my thoughts of SHf mirrored-- I see so many people excited for it being "fresh and new" but it's like... it doesn't even look like a Silent Hill game. The point of reviving a series with a new installment should be to USE the series' established tropes and setting to tell a new story; you can't shake EVERYTHING up or else it just becomes In Name Only
Some people say that the worse case scenario is that it sucks. Actually, I think the worse case scenario is that it actually works and Konami takes that as leave to keep remaking their IPs instead of try something new with diminishing returns on each reboot.
TBH, most of the time when developers publicly say to hell with the original, it's far worse than when they give the namby-pamby response. The namby-pamby response really is the only sane response because it gives them some room to maneuver while still being cut from the same cloth as the original. Truth is, you usually can tell jackshit from the marketing, because marketing is mostly just lying. It's only when the lies are so bad does it become obvious.
Yahtzee, I've never played Silent Hill, so I'll be happy to be the guinea pig who plays it for the first time and gives a definitive opinion on it. Just buy me the game and necessary hardware and we'll be set. K thx.
@@nelly5954 Play the original. It deserves to be played, and it's almost certainly going to be better than the remake. Of course you'll probably have to pirate it, but that's Konami's fault for not making it more readily available.
@@nelly5954 Short answer: no. Long answer: besides downloading the iso of the game, you have to install the SH2 fan-made patch, which tries to replicate the original game as much as possible and is still being updated, but even then some little things like shadows and textures can bug out ocasionally, but that's because SH2 was made with the intention to exploit every single quirk the PS2 hardware has, and because that machine had lots of thing unique to it, a 100% clean and completely stable emulation of SH2 is just impossible with our current tech. Still, it's not a bad version at all, and some of the emulation errors are noticable if you're familiar with the original version, so if you have a decent machine I say give it a try.
I wish they would just make it easier to play the first 4 games. SH1 hasn't had a rerelease since the PS3 and 2-4 have to be modded on PC just to play.
Hey, great point here which goes little mentioned in a lot of these discussions. Remakes this, remakes that - we all have different views on each one but let’s leave that aside. How about studios and publishers actually try to make the original game fully accessible (ported to all viable platforms) and in a good state (perhaps remastered minimally to offer full/ultra HD and 60fps) before going off to spend a fortune on potentially divisive remakes? I so wish publishers would make the effort to preserve their games alongside the seemingly inevitable cash-grab remakes. Game preservation matters. The history of your series matters. For instance, with these remakes and new titles why not assuage fans of the original who are fearful of you either fucking up the games legacy or of reanimating a dead corpse by telling them that alongside these projects you’ve commenced work on remasters (-again I mean basic stuff like resolution, FPS and widescreen etc support) and ports of the original titles to preserve them and make then as widely accessible as possible to fans old and new? I wish they’d do that. I wish that would become standard industry practice - every time they announce a big insanely expensive remake they commit to sprucing up their old games and making then available on as many platforms and stores as possible. It would enable us all to play those games in a convenient way and it would buy them loads of goodwill from fans. So even if you think the new SH2 is dogshit, you can be reassured that Konami balanced that out by enabling you to play that particular SH game you love on a platform you own, with some minor improvements.
I bought the original 4 before they got expensive, they were very cheap and easy to get .. I remember when even the hated ones were also practically given away . I remember when silent hill 3 was worth 5 dollars shipping included .. that's litteraly how cheap they were .. God I miss just pick up a game for less then 20 dollars not knowing whether it be a good or bad game .. scalpers ruined game collecting , now you got everyone plus store competing prices..
@@citizen3000 Yes, and maybe with different levels of cleanup--JAW did an Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath upscale that, I think, uglified the original low-poly designs...and I can't get the original artisans' visuals back. Makes me mad.
Horror Tabletop games do the feeling of dread while being at a table with several other players. People need to try out Dread - it uses a Jenga Tower whenever you do anything risky. Or 10 Candles where the room gets more dark as your characters come closer to their doom and candles are extinguished.
THANK YOU DREAD IS AWESOME. So glad to see another fan. Have some great memories of playing that with my old group. Never heard of 10 Candles but that sounds great, too
@@dwilliams21 It definitely takes setting people's expectations so they aren't joking constantly. Everyone needs to contribute to keeping a tone. Here is a really great Short on 10 Candles: shorts/bkKp2M8PzXw And here is a great long video on it if you're interested: watch?v=GfePLMYmA7k I still haven't had a chance to run it, but it looks SO good in a unique way compared to Dread
Two other things: 1. Ascension is partially made by Bad Robot, aka JJ Abrams’s production company, aka a vehicle for one of the greatest cinematic frauds of the 21st century. 2. It’s Konami. And we all know what your old colleague has said about them, many times.
Having Chat interact with something reminds me of something else where audience participation was promoted as a big deal. Some time ago, there was a Warhammer fantasy event. The infamous End Times. Actual players would pit armies against each other and the results would effect what happened within the fantasy universe. Sounds good right? Thing is, the writers wanted things to go one way, the Chaos factions winning. So naturally the Chaos factions got stomped at nearly every opportunity. But the writers had already decided that things would end one way. So when in reality, the bbeg got his nuts kicked in by an orc, the entire event was treated as if it never happened. I get the feeling that this is what will happen. These writers or “writers” most likely, won’t even give a single fuck about the audience. Granted, since the very first thing that will be encouraged will likely be shooting civilians maybe they shouldn’t have considered this in the first place.
As someone whose favorite game is also SH2 (With Team Silent SH games being my favorite games) I also had red flags set off during the SH2R trailer, mainly relating to the overexaggerated tone in some of the important scenes we saw. Felt a bit more Hollywood and less Lynch. HOWEVER! Silent Hill F is narratively promising because the writer of that game is the person who wrote Umineko, which is one of the most genuinely interesting stories that I've read as far as video games/Visual novels go (the coincidence was cosmic, as I had finished Umineko a month before the SH Livestream). Granted Silent Hill F also does have some of its fair share of red flags (for example, a potential awkward workflow because all the creative decisions are made at a new internal "Team Silent" at Konami with Neobards handling 100% of the implementation of those ideas. I could see some potential issues there. Another example is that the trailer we saw was outsourced as well by a company not related to either Neobards nor Konami, which is equally worrying because as you mentioned, we even have less of an indication as far as the talent and work concerned). As as aside, Townfall's announcement made me want to check out No Code's catalogue. I thought the first "chapter" of Untold Story utilized some pretty interesting setup for scares, with the rest of the game mostly falling flat and missing the emotional mark that it was going for. I started Observation yesterday which is already touching on some pretty interesting gameplay and narrative concepts. I think No Code might be better off writing a Silent Hill game that leans more concepts as opposed relying on character/emotional core, which is already a strange thing for a Silent Hill game to be but I think it's important they play to their strengths.
Also The Room showed us the Otherworld exists in many towns not in Silent Hill so I'm not surprised a town in Japan has it too, we likely will get an official answer on that and how it does exist everywhere.
Another thing that makes me somewhat interested to see what Townfall specifically is is how it's being co-published by Annapurna of all publishers. Who certainly have a brilliant track record with great single player narrative-driven content to say the least!
In slight defence of Silent Hill F. It’s an established fact in the canon that Silent Hill appears different to everyone based on their memories, guilt, trauma etc. So it isn’t entirely unreasonable for it to be able to completely change its architecture to resemble a different culture.
This was established in Silent Hill 4. There are rituals to make other Gods outside of Silent Hill proper. They are born from human suffering and a need for Death. It really does just take one lunatic with a red book taken from the Order's old libraries to bring hell on earth to an unsuspecting town miles away.
Speaking of horror in a group, it really doesn't work because horror is really dependent on immersion. Having someone by your side is a constant reminder that this is game, essentially breaking the immersive experience. I've watched a streamer who is really big on immersion play phasmaphobia with some friends. All that ended up happening was them singing baby shark while being chased by ghost.
This is probably the only time I've seen SH fans complain about a camera angle. I'm with you, a lot of the original game's atmosphere and memorability was due to the fixed/dynamic camera angles. I mean they talk about wanting to immerse us in SH2's world, yet camera angles allow for us to remember details more so than OTS or FP.
@@TheCyclicGamer Yahtzee described it the best in his review of The Medium. The fixed camera angle gives you a sense of detachment, almost dream-like, like you're being watched. Over the shoulder camera would make the game look like a generic AAA third person shooter. Maybe I'll be wrong and my mind will change but for now I'm not optimistic.
They're clearly trying to follow the success of Resident Evil 2 Remake in this regard. The Medium followed the fixed camera trend but I suspect the wider audience would gravitate more towards the 3rd person camera view.
Look I prefer 3rd person fixed camera myself but why the fuk in 2022 are STILL expecting AAA companies to attempt to release games in this format? Imagine like 50 people in a stockholders meeting like: "Right let's revive this dead franchise and only target 40-50 year old gamers. That'll get us money for sure!!!" Come on now. Have realistic expectations.
@@clementcastro9725 I called out RE2 Remake not being in fixed camera before it was shown in 2019 because of RE7 being in first person. Like if they didn't do RE7 in the classic style, why would they do RE2 Remake in it as well? I would said the same thing about SH2 Remake as well if I actually knew there was one in development. But fixed camera style isn't a thing for 40-50 year old gamers with an obsession for childhood nostalgia. Yes they were chosen initially due to limitation reasons, but it was a limitation that enhanced those games, not degraded them.
I think the most obvious reason it's going to suck is because Konami are involved and they absolutely destroy everything they touch in the last 10 years. Their track record is downright impressive.
Why change the camera...? That's just nonsense. The fixed camera in the original was an integral part of the horror experience, as the angles in question were deliberately chosen to instil a sense of wrongness, unease and vulnerability, thereby enhancing the atmospheric dread without having to rely on jumpscares every 30 seconds. Turning the camera into the standard 3rd person shooter cam may make handling easier but goes against the whole bloody point of SH2's core design.
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The thing is, silent Hill has been always a kind of a "niche" game, and Konami hasn't understand that. In their race to open up the series and making it more accessible they destroyed the essence. It's not about it's aesthetic concept, nor the sound design: it's about the story, everything stems from it. From the poetic tragedy. And though there's a market for this kind of rare beast, making it popularly massive isn't te right goal. And that seems to me is the idea of Konami. Make Silent hill massive. I can see now what type of remake it's going to be. A linear game that tries so hard to be a movie, you don't have any agency on the story, the majority of puzzles are going to be left out, no backtracking, lots of linear walking, forget about roaming the town wherever you want, the game literally holding your hand as if you didn't know how to play a videogame like this, and a resident evil-esque combat system... What a generic MEH of a game.
That sort of playing around with the innards of the original to create something new you described at the end is precisely a reason I rather enjoyed Shattered Memories for what it was.
My first thought when I heard that they were remaking Silent Hill 2 was to wonder why not give that treatment to SH1 first considering that it's older and it never received any ports, a few seconds later I realized that this is just a cash grab and SH2 is more likely to generate larger profits.
Silent Hill F is the only one that made me happy because it's finally a Silent Hill game that by the looks of it isn't trying to be Silent Hill 2, which was one of the biggest downfalls of every Silent Hill game post 4. It's also going to be, hopefully, severely carried by Ryushiki07 who's just amazing at psychological horror, mindfucks and making everything feel paranoid.
Also, I know that Silent Hill 2 is being remade because it's been judged the "best" one by fans and critics, but I feel like Silent Hill 1 would be the best starting point, remake-wise. Let's face it, its graphics have definitely aged the worst.
I'm one of the people who actually loved the first silent hill movie, ONLY the first one. The second one was liquid diarrhea, but the first one had a very interesting element of intrigue where you really wanted to see where it was all going. I even enjoyed the ending as I thought it was perfectly reasonable that she would be trapped there forever after she allowed the demon girl to possess her body. It didn't have a lot of plotholes, characters were actually pretty intelligent in their decisions, and the moments when it transitioned into nightmare world were very chilling. Most of the people hating on the movie just didn't like the ending, because spoilers... She never left Silent Hill. She drove off, thinking she was safe, but she is trapped there forever now. Then in the second movie it's basically Silent Hill 2 with James going to get her out and also becoming trapped there, except the movie veered off into the drug taking direction with stupid shit everywhere.
I think in this modern climate, we really need a dedicated de-hype man to counteract the increasingly fervent fan response to so much as a twitch from an existing IP. Thank you for being that de-hype man this time, Yahtz.
See, I feel like cash goals are kind of destructive. I'm sure there are 1000s of programmers who would love to work on a game like Silent Hill remake as an appreciation of a game that may have inspired them, but you know that it's being remade because the Resident Evil remakes have been so successful that it would be dumb to not try to capitalize on survival horror nostalgia in this moment. There had to have been a push to remake RE2 out of at least some kind of passion because they were having so much resurgent success with their 1st person reboot that it would be more of a risk to go backwards. After that the RE remakes turned into grabs at cash but now on less of a shaky foot to stand on, this Silent Hill remake feels like the developers looked over at what RE was doing and said "hey, we used to be college roommates and shared the same major, let's rip off what he's doing and hope to be as successful," which feels disingenuous but here's to hoping it's at least satisfying to engage with.
If there's one thing that I like about the Blumhouse-esque approach here of "throw money at anyone who can make a video game and fuck off until they finish making it" is that it funds studios that normally wouldn't get that funding to do basically whatever they want. Like, I heavily doubt most of these will be actual SH games, so much as completely different feeling horror games with the occasional street sign to remind you you're in Silent Hill. If Konami stays out of development beyond demanding the SH title, I can be happy with just that little bit of corporate cynicism if it means funding an otherwise unique and interesting game. The downside of course is that most of these are guaranteed to be trash. Also I think Ascension is a game with a fake twitch chat mechanic which could be interesting? Maybe?
The fact that they revealed 4 games is the problem. Blooper team hasn't made anything i would call beyond mediocre so sh2 is probably screwed. Town fall seems like it will be a normal silent hill game but we know nothing about it. Silent hill f looks cool conceptually but it takes place in Japan so that alone makes no sense and not feel anything like silent hill
Basically every Bloober Team horror game so far was them trying to make their own version of Silent Hill, without even the slightest understanding of what make the good games in the series good. Normally I'd just ignore the remake, but considering that BT is responsible for some of the most tasteless depictions of mental health and abuse survivors in media in recent years, I really want these "new" Silent Hill games to be cancelled.
I like the de-hyping. Would have loved more of it when Cyberpunk was announced. I'm convinced CD Projekt Red would have loved to be de-hyped themselves, us the audience, and the investors, so that we'd all have had a proper game released. Oh, well, history and ifs.
I had the same feeling about the SH transmission thing. The 2 remake fills me with no excitement, Konami just saw what Capcom was doing with RE and screeched ME TOO. I don't know what Townfall is supposed to be so I can't even raise an eyebrow at it. F looks interesting but like it has fuck all to do with Silent Hill. I'm still irrationally pissed off about the last Silent Hill movie. And finally Ascension.... because nothing say we're taking this series seriously than giving it to fucking JJ "Mystery Box" Abrams. The man who already made both Star Wars and Trek worse and seems to be holding a bunch of DC characters hostage at the moment. I legit went into the thing with one hope, straight ports of the original trilogy and maybe 4 on Switch. Not remasters, I've been burned before. Just some good old ports of the classics. But sadly Konami is Konami so we are getting crap no one wants and with the 2 remake, handled by a worse team than the Eastern European shack that put out Downpour. I firmly agree Silent Hill should be put out of its misery. Even if some freakish planetary alignment happened and magically the MVPs of Team Silent came back together. I think I'd much rather they crowdfund something "new" that's not owned by Konami. Just pull a Bloodstained, that one worked well.
It's interesting to see a silent hill set in 60s Japan because the same people that was a part of original Team Silent on this team also made SIREN Blood curse, which has similar setting with a American foreign exchange student as the protagonist.
"Oh cool! Silent Hill 2 is being remade!" I thought excitedly until I saw who was making it. Bloober team, the people responsible for such "classics" as Layers of Fear, The Medium, and Blair Witch. "They're somehow going to make 'In Water' the 'good' ending aren't they?" I asked, incredibly disappointed.
Same, but I don't see it happening any time. Considering that for the HD remasters of sh2 and 3 they had to use unfinished source code as foundations, it wouldn't surprise me if Konami lost the source code for sh1.
The guys who did the fan patch "Silent Hill 2 Enhanced Edition" didn't have any of the source code. I'm not saying tit was necessarily easy to do, but it's clearly possible to update the original to run on modern hardware. Konami just doesn't seem to be interested in investing resources towards it. Once the remake comes out, it'll be an even less attractive proposition for them since they could easily say, "why bring back the old one when we have a version of the game that's more broadly appealing?"
Regarding Silent Hill Ascention: If it is what you described, it sounds just like Adult Swim's 'Cry of Mann,' which was a live-streamed pseudo-soap opera with very Lynchian vibes that was, at its heart, a horror series. I loved that show, and the live interaction quality was what the entire experience and narrative were built around. It also had an 'after show' a la 'Talking Dead' that was called 'Call of Mann' which also directly played into the themes and narrative of the show. Please, go watch it.
I foresee the same problems to occur with the SH2 remake that happens with every other Blooper Team game, and to describe that, I quote Yahtzee’s Evil Within Zero Punctuation where he described it as if someone just said “make a horror game” with no rhyme or reason to the horror game elements, and that definitely reflects Blooper Team’s horror games; it’s like they have a check list of possible scary stuff. Walls that bleed? Check. Twitching woman that kills you? Check. Lights flickering off? Check. The door you go through again leads to an entirely different location? Check. Walls start warping and distorting? Check. I also wish some developer would revitalize the psychological profile gimmick SH Shattered Memories had. Yeah, it was basic and didn’t affect much, but it could’ve laid the brick work for it in a future horror game. Like imagine filling out a questionnaire asking what scares you and having it affect the gameplay. You answer that you’re afraid of the dark? Watch the gameplay becomes noticeable darker, flashlight and light sources flicker or die randomly. You answer that you’re afraid of forests and trees? The one forest section of the game becomes more dense with trees and the trees distort into horrifying images to unnerve you. Etc etc.
Eh, the trouble is that the player could lie, and then it wouldn’t work. A better system would be for the game to analyze and adapt to how the player plays. If the player prefers to run around and away from enemies, lock them in a room with enemies so they have no choice but to fight. If the player prefers to use a particular weapon, take it away for a bit and force them to use something else. That sort of thing.
I'm astonished at just how many people are still legitimately excited for this despite knowing Bloober Team are behind it. It'd be like people getting excited over a remake of Mother 3 being made by the team that did YIIK; they clearly take a lot of inspiration from these games, but do you really want them handling the actual franchise given their output?
If Konami was truly the awesome company everyone thinks it's worth getting hype over, then Konami would make available the original Silent Hill 2, Silent Hill 3, and PT on the modern gaming market, instead of keeping them in a state where the only way to play them is finding the originals on eBay or via piracy.
*"First rule of counter-hyping: If they had anything that would sell the product, they would show you it."* A very good lesson and valuable advice, but companies have caught on to this and have begun making _fake_ gameplay showcases, such as Anthem, Cyberpunk 2077 and the original Watchdogs.
You know another sign that Konami is incompetent about Silent Hill. Something I don't see any bring up, but before their Transmission stream, it was supposed to have started at a certain time. But even they fucked that up as all that happened was it said, "Thanks for tuning in" and then you refresh the page, the whole stream was right there. Yet some thought it was still live or something. Even if it was UA-cam's fault, I'd say that's a bad omen right there for Silent Hill...
At this point, the only thing that would really excite me is if they actually gave us proper ports of the first 4 Silent Hills.
These games are art, and art shouldn’t fade from history because it’s stuck on old consoles that will eventually stop working, leaving future generations with no means of ever experiencing it.
Agreed, agreed, agreed!!
agreed
That's pretty much why the emulation scene will never go away no matter how much the game companies crow on about it. If I'd happily pay for something but you won't sell it me, then fuck it; I'll just get that thing some other way.
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 "putting them on the new hardware" not neccesarily that easy. To the point where sometimes it would probably be easier to just start from scratch
They can't. They lost the source code for SH1.
I heard about this and was like "Neat, I liked the first one. It'd be cool to revisit it all these years later." Then I saw that Bloober Team were involved and thought "Nah, dawg. Let's leave those good memories alone."
Hey now, Observer was pretty good!
Bloober team are pretty quality devs 😂 definitely not a reason to skip especially when they have an established situation to emulate. They'll do well.
@@notgonnapay Observer is basically their only good game. Very good walking simulator thats much more appealing than junk like Layers of Fear.
@@notgonnapay Observer is barely a game.
TBF I think gameplay wise bloober's stuff is fine. I think they just need to find a good writer. Fingers crossed they have a good one though I'm not holding my breath since a friend said the writer for Silent Hill F writes edgelord visual novels. 😬
One of the interviews from the head developer of Bloober Team said that Konami gave them a near unlimited budget and that raised every red flag for me.
As opposed to no budget like the one from the early 2010's?
@@zaktookthis1341 Some of the best ideas are born from necessity.
There are multiple examples (Jaws is a famous one) but if we want to stay with SIlent Hill the entire point of the fog in the first games was to mask the limitations of the hardware that was unable to handle a small "open world".
So, with unlimited budget, they'll be able to make things big and amazing which may not be the best for a horror game.
That's VERY ironic considering Konami has had issues with Hideo Kojima in the past going over budget when the Metal Gear games were so successful, and anything with his name on the box art would guarantee sales.
Sounds like they're just trying to backpedal by handing a beloved franchise to a team with mixed success/little video game development backround.
@@francesco8000 true but sometimes not enough budget is just not enough budget. not every necessity can be sated with just a good idea, there's a lot of ideas men out there and giving their "innovations" a shot will not always work but always be at least a bit of a drain on the time and resources that are currently available
@Mauricio Aguilera but the game still ended up being the best selling MG title ever... still made them boatloads
2:40 to 3:28 is one of the BEST takes I've ever heard about the creation of art and can be applied to pretty much every medium. I've always held it to be true that 'mistakes' are inherent to any piece of media and are often times very benefitial, it's just great to hear someone say it in such a coherent manner.
perfectly explains the issues with the majora’s mask remake on 3ds, if you don’t understand what made something great in the first place you’re bound to mess it up
Konami: "We're remaking a Silent Hill game!"
Me: "Okay, I'm interested."
Konami: "It's developed by Bloober Team."
Me: "I'm no longer interested."
Meanwhile, Capcom is putting their A team on the RE franchise development. Konami? Naaah, we'll just outsource all this shit and see what sticks. Quantity over quality and all that.
@@mouthmw "I mean c'mon, who could we even get to make a good silent hill game? I can't think of any big names in horror who are interested in making a silent hill game."
~ Konami, aka "Fuck You" Konami
@@mouthmw They picked studios and writers that actually do horror, not guys who did a karaoke on Wii or shitty GI Joe game like they did before. That's a clear improvement.
@@koi8859 fair but that's like praising someone because they stopped breaking my bones and started forcing Legos up my nose
is this an actual conversation you had with Konami?
Only thing to note on Silent Hill Fffffffffff is that the writer of Higurashi is working on it, and that is one of the best examples of small Japanese town horror out there and honestly one of the best Visual Novel series to boot, so big hopes for that.
He also wrote Umineko, so he has mystery horror writing chops, as well :D
A writer with a history of horror under his belt and can tell a good and scary story? I'll have to look up his stuff.
I give it a month before Konami fires him for no reason.
@@mythologymaniac500 Highly, highly recommend. Higurashi and Umineko are both PEAK FICTION.
@@mythologymaniac500 the umineko visual novel has the best music, but the manga for both are pretty good as well.
@@jhairccorimanya1806 You think I would joke about something like that? No, of course not. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. Ryukishi07 is writing Silent Hill F, and he wrote both the Higurashi and Umineko visual novels, and they are both peak fiction.
The people in the announcement literally said "The movie is the catalyst for the revival of Silent Hill". They said, AND I QUOTE, "We are also doing our best to make sure that our games are AS GOOD AS THE FILM." To people that haven't been around for the past 16 years, this sort of language should be concerning.
Wow, you can just feel Yahtzee’s anger gradually growing as the video progresses
Yeh idk why the guys so cynical this is the first silent hill game we’ve gotten in 7 years or so so even if it sucks it’s a sign we’ve got their attention
@@heidiherndon3890 So, any attention is good attention? How about we just let the games die respectfully instead of bastardizing the series with new retconned ideas and idiots proclaiming, "respecting the source material" when they actually mean they want to copy Silent Hill 2 and base it off of a fanfiction of that game?
You fans are silly with your "as long as we have the games around, it's fine" mentality.
@@richardmurphy7451 cause I personally want a new silent hill game eventually and if konami knows the franchise has a following they'll keep going till they get it right you don't have to play it if you don't want to but don't say it would be better of dead if there are still fans interested in new stories from the silent hill franchise and besides you don't loose anything if they make a game you don't plan on buying
@@heidiherndon3890 Yes, that company that fans continually berate, belittle, and demonize. It's funny to me that a lot of fans are suddenly on board with this company when I heard for two months about how Konami sucks and they aren't worth a damn.
So, suddenly they are a company you back, eh? Imagine that.... Fans get their way and suddenly are friends with the company again, lol
What new stories? If the Transmission is anything to go by, it's quite clear what's on their minds: Silent Hill 2. Also, considering with each new developer we slowly see the lore and narrative being pushed to the back, it's safe to assume those stories will be irrelevant or have little to do with Silent Hill as a whole. At this point, it is only Silent Hill in name alone.
@@heidiherndon3890 "It's a sign we've got their attention"
Are you 5 or are you just painfully naive at how the video game industry has been in recent years.
I was watching Konami's stream of this, and the second Bloober Team was confirmed to be the one developing Silent Hill 2 Remake a bunch of people were like "F***ing Bloober Team. I'm out."
@womenshouldcookandcleanunp6159 Good news the creator of Silent Hill is making a new Horror game called Slitter head.
@Juniper_Wippersnache Keiichiro Toyama also created Gravity Rush 1 and 2.
Always good to start the day off with some passionate spite. Thanks yahtz
I don't know this whole video seems irrationally positive compared to what Konami deserves for these announcements.
Good point
The best horror moments in dead space 3 are when one of the character is having hallucinations and the other is perfectly normal and all he can do is looking at the other player losing his mind.
So even in a co-op horror the only times they really managed to create good horror was when they the players were isolated in their own different experiences.
Honestly that feels that the closet to a multiplayer horror game.
Have it 2 player were some each have seperate experiences while playing in the same area.
Feels very proof of concept but probably could work.
there's a game that did that? woah i always imagine that'll be scary
I liked the sort of looming existential horror of imminent extinction that came from the more "cosmic horror" vibe of 3. Feels very similar to Lovecraft's "At The Mountains Of Madness." That said, 3 is the least scary of all 3, with most of the immediate horror sectioned off for the weird, occasional co-op for the second player only. Like... why?
That "Eyyy!" at 0:40 was *exactly* as long as it needed to be to make the switcheroo ironic enough to be justified. Well done, Yahtzee.
I love Extra Punctuation and I'm glad you brought it to youtube. ZP feels like listening to Yahtzee at a standup-comedy club, joking about politics, society and such. Meanwhile EP feels like he joins you at your table afterwards for a beer, and discusses the contents of his jokes more sincerely and more personally.
I wonder how it too as long to get Yahtzee to do extra comments outside of his videos, I think he was doing a written but then probably not without someone to take the editing work load off of his plate probably.
Bloober Team doing SH2 is the most worrying part of everything. Combat and interactivity were crucial to that game and not a single Bloober game has either of those done well.
From my understanding, Bloober are just in charge of visuals. Which they do well.
yes of course the highly regarded combat of silent hill 2
@@lukeculbert267 I loved SH, but yeah, the combat was garbage in SH.
Combat was always meh, that was part of the charm.
hold on, you didn't just claim that combat was crucial to SH2. Did you even play the game? it had probably the worst combat imaginable. interactivity? walk and press X to find stuff. You're way off. SH2 is all about atmosphere, story, sound design. Everything else is in the noise
I liked the Silent Hill movie. Hiring dancers to play the monsters and having them be costumes/live action as much as possible was great. The nurse scene near the end is still incredibly tense
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 Because brand recognition. I'm not saying the movie was a masterpiece of storytelling but especially after I watched the making of on the DVD copy I got a huge appreciation of all the talent the set and costume designers had. The director literally said he did't have Harry from SH1 looking for his daughter because he thought people would relate more to a mother than a father. It's not a great movie but it looks super good imo and it does have some really good scenes
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421Probably because the original game’s monster design sucked and wouldn’t have made for interesting horror sequences. Which was something the movie actually did well 🤷♂️
Also they’re iconic, hard to blame the producers for wanting their inclusion in the story. Of course they didn’t belong in it. Their mistake was choosing to adapt the first game instead of the second which has far more material for a movie
They definitely aren't good movies, but I really like them. Bad horror is almost always enjoyable, and say what you will about the acting and writing but it's aesthetically gorgeous.
For yahtzee's attempt to kill the hype, all I can say is: You can't kill what's already dead.
You should see the Silent Hill 2 Remake video on UA-cam. I can't tell if people are hyped that 2 is getting a remake (obvious cashgrab from Konami, why not start with 1 which is way older) or if it's because the franchise itself was brought back just to beat its corpse over and over again.
Obligatory: "people die when they are killed"
@lorenzo romano I mean yeh silent hill 2 remakes gonna be cash grab silent hill 2 og was a cash grab the video game industry very rarely puts artistic freedom at the forefront of their design which is depressing but also hopeful because if the original was amazing even though it’s main goal was to make a boatload of money then this could be the same way we get great video games not when a triple A company puts profit in the backseat (because they never will) it’s when they know to let their creatives be creative and loosen the reigns a bit and wile there are some mediocre companies involved the projects being spearheaded by the people who made layers of fear and silent hill f has an amazing writer on board and the fact that Konami is making 3 games from a franchise that isn’t 100% a money maker anymore, I feel is hopeful
maybe you should proof-read things before you post them
I started reading higurashi since the announcment of silent hill f (since it's the same writer), and so far it's amazingly chilling and tense (at least once it gets going, it's a bit of a slow burn). So if silent hill f *does* come out, I'd like to think it's in good hands; and if it doesn't at least it got me to read higurashi.
I am on the last chapter, and I’ve got his next game, Umineko on my list. There are flaws, especially toward the end, when things start getting revealed, but R07 has a really great understanding of the tension that comes from the unknown.
Try also reading Umineko later! It's by the same writer, and a fantastic experience
A mean a good horror game is fun and all but we want a good Silent Hill game. The whole point of SH is SH... the fact the town itself feels alive. A random village in Japan might as well be its own IP as i feel they're likely going to force a dumb SH connection in.
F might or might not be a good game, since we know literally nothing whatsoever about its gameplay there's no way of knowing at the moment, but Ryuukishi07's involvement does make it likely it will at least be a good _horror story._ What it has NO chance of being is a good _Silent Hill game._
Anything to dodge working on Ciconia Phase 2
When making the original, the director specifically told the actors to speak their lines weird. I believe Guy Cihi said that they told they told them to space out the syllables every now and then, and speak kinda blandly and then go emotional for a couple words randomly, shit like that to make the characters intentionally feel odd. Nowadays if you don't know that it just seems like bad voice acting that worked out for the better. However, I worry about the remake because (among other many reasons) I doubt they'll ever direct it like that. They're going to do the same thing that the HD remaster and try to make it sound all professional and it just won't make the characters feel like they do in the original.
@@timekeeper2538 the other actors said it was also intentional. Including the director. Unless everyone just lied lol
@@timekeeper2538 Henry has a mental ilness though
Can you provide a reference to the actual interview with the director of Silent Hill 2 where he specifically says this? I must have seen pretty much all of the interviews available online and I've never heard anyone on the team say this. It also just sounds exactly like the sort of silly rumor SH2 fans would spread around to justify the amateurish voice acting, so I call bullshit on this. The voice acting is bad because this was 2001, and almost all voice acting in video games was complete shit at the time.
IIRC they were wanting to imitate Twin Peaks. The dialogue in that series tends to do similar things delivery wise. I'm going to assume it was intentional for the line read to sound like that
Mary = The Silent Hill Franchise
James = Silent Hill Fans
It's time to let her go, James. She's dead. There was a good game here. It's gone now.
James did by taking his own life which I'm sure many fans probably have done and will do kek
This implies we are responsible for it's death though?
In a way yes, we didn't buy enough copies when they still had the full original team around, if we did they would have made a least a few more good SH games before handing the IP to random western teams.
Yeah let it go the way of parasite eve and all the other games no one's ever heard of
@@fenix_tx_1342 I understand now.
Frankly, given how dickish Konami has treated their Horror franchise prior to the swarm of silent hill releases they announced (From homecoming, downpour, those pachinko machines, canceling silent hills) I'm on my guard for what these new entries will bring.
Actually, a friend, a marketing exec, proposed a rather plausibly justifiable theory about the Pochinko machines debacle that actually made sense. Made me feel better about the past 7 years.
@@seatongrey315 what's it about?
@@xcellentcreations3312 I'd tell you, but not interested in arguing with people about it and dreading seeing the notification icon light up. Just wanted to share that there is possibly a good reason they did that.
@@seatongrey315 well...if you say so
@@seatongrey315 Laaame.
This was the Extra Punctuation I was hoping for!
I was wanting someone to say cool the jets. I saw the presentation and I was first like awesome. 5 silent hill projects. But then remembered the collection, behavior past few years with HD collection, metal gear 5 and survive, and canning of PT to be more cautiously optimistic
@@redwallfan123 Same, and the only project I'm cautiously optimistic about is SH f, cus at least the idea behind it is pretty different from the others, with the whole japanese setting, so at least the chances of being like the ones made by american studios is slimer
The only thing from this I have any hope for is Silent Hill F, as it's looking to go for the whole Silent Hill 4 gambit of exploring a new concept adjacent to the original games, and the project writer, Ryukishi07 (it's their pen name, don't be a pedantic twat about it) made a visual novel series "When They Cry", specifically Higurashi and Umineko, that I've heard are very good and well written, so hopefully Silent Hill f will also be well written. Though again that just adds a few percentage points to the ??? probability scale, but hey it has higher chances of being decent than the Silent Hill 2 remake at least
Well, that and the Shiba Inu Silent Hill 2 ending figurine. I don't care what anyone else says, that is a brilliant idea and I want one
The project I'm most interested in would be Silent Hill: Townfall. Not only is No Code working on it (I friggin' loved Observation), but it seems like it may be trying to do its own thing with the IP.
🎶 FALLLL in the na-a-ame🎵
Also it's being co-published by Annapurna!
@@lizardlegend42 I do absolutely love them Annapurna games.
That and Silent Hill f seem the most promising, and I'm willing to wait and see. As for the Silent Hill 2 remake by Bloober Team? That can go to hell.
How do you know it’s trying to do its own thing, once again, we have nothing. For all we know it’ll be an exact replica of silent hill 2
Refreshing to see some healthy skepticism. I'm the odd duck in my circles for going "maybe cool it with the expectations..."
I feel that, I'm used to being the sole voice of dissent I can find with a lot of new releases like this. I see people getting drunk on the hype and blindly praising things that range from the insulting to the offensively bad, and I often feel like I'm the one saying that The Emperor Is Naked and getting flamed for it.
This video is literally regurgitating the most popular takes on the remake. If you search for "Silent Hill 2 remake" on YT this sort of thing is almost all you can find, so I don't get why you're pretending this is somehow "refreshing skepticism." It is literally the most popular opinion.
The thing that caught my attention in the livestream was when they mentioned that it'd been almost three years since they approached Masahiro Ito about the remake, at which point I did the math and said "so you noticed the boatload of cash Capcom made off the Resident Evil 2 remake and you want in on that, got it", and the rest of the presentation just cemented that conclusion.
I'm at least cautiously optimistic about f because of the writer, Ryukishi07, who has an absolutely stellar track record with psychological/nightmarish horror as well as someone who clearly understands people a lot (he has a background as a social worker). Not to mention f seems to be set in a small Japanese town, which is a setting he's familiar with as it's the setting of what is arguably his most famous and beloved visual novel Higurashi.
Also I don't think it's fair to say that the voice acting in 2 is a happy accident, especially when you take into consideration Monica Taylor Horgan's excellent performance through and through, and the fact that the characters who do have strange line deliveries are all severely psychologically damaged weirdos who don't know how to even properly interact with other humans, it only makes sense they'd come across as stilted and awkward.
The original team silent are the best men for the job.
What's he gonna do? Make some mushy horror that clearly has nothing to do with silent hill?? 🥂
@@THO743 Y'all should look into his body of work, it's actually some real shit. And honestly part of me doesn't really care if you could reasonably not call it Silent Hill, I'm just excited for a big survival horror game being written by him.
@@regularshowman3208 yes, not silent hil. The game is dead. they should bury it.
@@THO743 I'm actually very interested in what he has in store for Silent Hill f, since Silent Hill is a psychological horror and Ryukishi07 is really good at writing that.
@@crazyfun95 they all are! just not silent hill.
I saw a problem when James had an emotion in the new scenes. His not seeming to care was important. It made him more distant from what he had done and showed that he didn't comprehend or care for his crime.
Thank you, exactly! Seeing the NuJames' face all crumpled when he took the noose, I'm like, "Okay, these people don't get it." The subtle/blank face from the original is marvelous--could be read as longing for the noose, for release...or something else entirely!
Yea - it also makes him saying his wife has been dead for years more believable. He comes off as distant and numb which fits his whole deal. Him looking like he's about to cry fucks it up.
@@dwilliams21 Good news the creator of Silent Hill is making a new Horror game called Slitter head.
I will never get over the fact that the people who made the hallway baby that hilariously bonks its head on a cabinet over and over again somehow got selected to make the new Silent Hill 2 Remake.
Theres more to the game than 1 handpicked meme. I played a chunk of the game and I was spooked quite a few times. Not saying the studio shouldn’t be criticized. If we applied this to skyrim’s an arrow to the knee meme and I judged the entirety of a game known for dense narratives and character progression on a memeable moment from the game, the argument would be nulled by the gaming public. The studio has potential, but a smaller portfolio with some flawed entries. Sure we can criticize from their past, but let’s see if they do better with a game that’s already laid out for them from beginning to end.
@@spinachtron The arrow to the knee thing is very different. Skyrim isn’t a horror game and so little completely intentional gags like that or the Sweet Roll line do not interrupt your immersion or the overall atmosphere
The baby moment in Layers of Fear completely takes you out of the game and remains in your mind for the rest of your play through as a blatant example of poor game development and poor scare writing.
It isn’t the fact that it’s memeable that creates the problem, plenty of horror games have been the victim of fanbase shitposting. It’s the fact that it’s just bad.
@@spinachtron Lmao what
Since when did Skyrim have "dense narratives"? When was the last time you actually played that game?
I’m not sure how much Yahtzee knows about visual novels (not a dig), but if I had to guess the reason SHF is set in Japan, it seems to be because of the writer, Ryukishi07. He was the writer of a series of visual novels, all collectively under the banner “When They Cry”, with far and away the most popular one being “Higurashi When They Cry”, which has like 12 animes out. Higurashi is HEAVILY steeped in Japanese horror and superstition, and while I don’t have much experience with the rest of the WTC series, it seems like keeping the horror very Japanese might be what Ryukishi07 wants to do. That’s what I think at least, and I could be totally and completely wrong, so take my opinion as such.
Umineko was set in Japan too, but with more western horror involved. Same 1980s time period too. And Ciconia's protagonist is Japanese. It's his wheelhouse. Silent Hill f will surely be good, it's just a question of how related to the main Silent Hill mythos it will be. P.T./Silent Hills was a similarly great departure though, and people loved it anyway
I'm extremely interested in Silent Hill f due to who's writing it, and nothing will un-hype me for it. But that being said, I have no emotional investment in it actually being Silent Hill. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up feeling like something else that they slapped the brand on for marketing purposes.
The thing about group horror is, at least for now, it only works in one of two variations:
1. The group starts getting smaller, i.e. people in the group start getting killed off or "disappearing". The tension there is the dread that you will either be one of the people silently taken/killed or you will be the last one remaining against an unknown entity. Either way, it ultimately results in solo horror.
2. The group begins to distrust each other. In this instance the horror is more paranoia than anything else as everyone in the group doesn't know who in the group is a friend, and who is trying to kill them. This is group horror only in the sense that a group of people is involved, but ultimately they are very isolated from each other.
I’ve heard in rando forums that the “f” of Silent Hill f might actually be the musical symbol for Forte. I.e. Loudness. And the notion of Loud Silence is very clever; which makes me think it’s wrong as Konami is antithetical to Subtlety.
Bloober team in over their heads on this one
Bloober Team would be in over their heads on a mobile Candy Crush rip-off.
Anything good from the remake will come from the original.
Given how derivative and unoriginal all their games are this might actually be perfect for them. It's like they're finally dropping the pretence that they have any of their own ideas.
Bloober Team were in over their heads when they were coming up with a name for their company.
Just by the amount of announced SH games, I can imagine board meeting prior to green lighting those projects starting like this: "Remakes of Resident Evil and new entries are selling like cupcakes..."
"Like cupcakes? Sweet Jesus, that's even better than hotcakes! We gotta get in on this!"
"Citation Needed" 🤣
"The devil shivers when yhatzee loses his temper"
Gave serious "I'm not mad, I'm just pissed" energy tbh
I'm not mad, I'm just pissed
I'll steal that one.
Don't wanna take credit lol, it's a quote from a penguinz0 vid
The fact that Konami makes anything is a dealbreaker for me. Metal Gear: Survive & Contra: Rogue Core proves how little they care about quality control.
I think at this point I almost like extra punctuation more than zero punctuation
I don’t keep up with video game news, and the reason is to avoid getting hyped over anything.
Teach me your ways…
I'm in the same boat, although I do get caught watching the occasional trailer for something that interests me; though I don't tend to take it any further than one or two, 'cause trailers tend to also include a lot of spoilers.
Really, it all started with me just trying to avoid spoilers, but it's nice being a bit more grounded in my expectations of games.
It's alarming that Yahtzee's best case scenario for the SH2 remake is Gus Van Sant's version of _Psycho._ It makes me imagine Vince Vaughn as James' voice actor 😐
I have some bad news...
Also when you watched the Silent Hill showcase event, didn't it feel like all the hosts in that event were pretty much dead inside. Like they didn't feel like they actually were excited about all this.
I noticed some cuts too. And they were trying to "lighten the mood" with some of their jokes...
Konami is a very soul-crushing place, it would seem. I guess they're happy not to be fired yet?
That's called being Japanese.
Weirdly enough, the stilted presentation actually kinda fits the aesthetic of Silent Hill 2 lol
7:45 Now I want a range of novelty cookbooks that use horror words, as in:
1. Lightly torture the steaks.
2. Flay the potatoes until golden brown.
3. Maim the mushrooms over a bed of rice.
Y’know what’s really sad? At this point I’m completely numb to shit like this now.
It's honestly refreshing to see my thoughts of SHf mirrored-- I see so many people excited for it being "fresh and new" but it's like... it doesn't even look like a Silent Hill game. The point of reviving a series with a new installment should be to USE the series' established tropes and setting to tell a new story; you can't shake EVERYTHING up or else it just becomes In Name Only
Some people say that the worse case scenario is that it sucks. Actually, I think the worse case scenario is that it actually works and Konami takes that as leave to keep remaking their IPs instead of try something new with diminishing returns on each reboot.
TBH, most of the time when developers publicly say to hell with the original, it's far worse than when they give the namby-pamby response. The namby-pamby response really is the only sane response because it gives them some room to maneuver while still being cut from the same cloth as the original. Truth is, you usually can tell jackshit from the marketing, because marketing is mostly just lying. It's only when the lies are so bad does it become obvious.
Yahtzee, I've never played Silent Hill, so I'll be happy to be the guinea pig who plays it for the first time and gives a definitive opinion on it. Just buy me the game and necessary hardware and we'll be set. K thx.
You talking the remake or the original? I'm in the same position and idk which to play first.
@@nelly5954 Play the original. It deserves to be played, and it's almost certainly going to be better than the remake. Of course you'll probably have to pirate it, but that's Konami's fault for not making it more readily available.
@@BLZ231 is there a reasonably simple way to emulate it
@@nelly5954 Short answer: no. Long answer: besides downloading the iso of the game, you have to install the SH2 fan-made patch, which tries to replicate the original game as much as possible and is still being updated, but even then some little things like shadows and textures can bug out ocasionally, but that's because SH2 was made with the intention to exploit every single quirk the PS2 hardware has, and because that machine had lots of thing unique to it, a 100% clean and completely stable emulation of SH2 is just impossible with our current tech. Still, it's not a bad version at all, and some of the emulation errors are noticable if you're familiar with the original version, so if you have a decent machine I say give it a try.
Konami is literally banking on fans not knowing about their past who will buy their new games regardless.
I wish they would just make it easier to play the first 4 games. SH1 hasn't had a rerelease since the PS3 and 2-4 have to be modded on PC just to play.
Hey, great point here which goes little mentioned in a lot of these discussions. Remakes this, remakes that - we all have different views on each one but let’s leave that aside. How about studios and publishers actually try to make the original game fully accessible (ported to all viable platforms) and in a good state (perhaps remastered minimally to offer full/ultra HD and 60fps) before going off to spend a fortune on potentially divisive remakes?
I so wish publishers would make the effort to preserve their games alongside the seemingly inevitable cash-grab remakes. Game preservation matters. The history of your series matters.
For instance, with these remakes and new titles why not assuage fans of the original who are fearful of you either fucking up the games legacy or of reanimating a dead corpse by telling them that alongside these projects you’ve commenced work on remasters (-again I mean basic stuff like resolution, FPS and widescreen etc support) and ports of the original titles to preserve them and make then as widely accessible as possible to fans old and new?
I wish they’d do that. I wish that would become standard industry practice - every time they announce a big insanely expensive remake they commit to sprucing up their old games and making then available on as many platforms and stores as possible. It would enable us all to play those games in a convenient way and it would buy them loads of goodwill from fans.
So even if you think the new SH2 is dogshit, you can be reassured that Konami balanced that out by enabling you to play that particular SH game you love on a platform you own, with some minor improvements.
I bought the original 4 before they got expensive, they were very cheap and easy to get .. I remember when even the hated ones were also practically given away . I remember when silent hill 3 was worth 5 dollars shipping included .. that's litteraly how cheap they were .. God I miss just pick up a game for less then 20 dollars not knowing whether it be a good or bad game .. scalpers ruined game collecting , now you got everyone plus store competing prices..
@@citizen3000 Yes, and maybe with different levels of cleanup--JAW did an Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath upscale that, I think, uglified the original low-poly designs...and I can't get the original artisans' visuals back. Makes me mad.
Horror Tabletop games do the feeling of dread while being at a table with several other players. People need to try out Dread - it uses a Jenga Tower whenever you do anything risky. Or 10 Candles where the room gets more dark as your characters come closer to their doom and candles are extinguished.
THANK YOU DREAD IS AWESOME. So glad to see another fan. Have some great memories of playing that with my old group. Never heard of 10 Candles but that sounds great, too
@@dwilliams21 It definitely takes setting people's expectations so they aren't joking constantly. Everyone needs to contribute to keeping a tone. Here is a really great Short on 10 Candles: shorts/bkKp2M8PzXw
And here is a great long video on it if you're interested: watch?v=GfePLMYmA7k
I still haven't had a chance to run it, but it looks SO good in a unique way compared to Dread
Two other things:
1. Ascension is partially made by Bad Robot, aka JJ Abrams’s production company, aka a vehicle for one of the greatest cinematic frauds of the 21st century.
2. It’s Konami. And we all know what your old colleague has said about them, many times.
Having Chat interact with something reminds me of something else where audience participation was promoted as a big deal. Some time ago, there was a Warhammer fantasy event. The infamous End Times. Actual players would pit armies against each other and the results would effect what happened within the fantasy universe. Sounds good right? Thing is, the writers wanted things to go one way, the Chaos factions winning. So naturally the Chaos factions got stomped at nearly every opportunity. But the writers had already decided that things would end one way. So when in reality, the bbeg got his nuts kicked in by an orc, the entire event was treated as if it never happened.
I get the feeling that this is what will happen. These writers or “writers” most likely, won’t even give a single fuck about the audience. Granted, since the very first thing that will be encouraged will likely be shooting civilians maybe they shouldn’t have considered this in the first place.
"[Bloober Team shouldn't] be trusted to reboot anything beyond a Sinclair ZX-81."
Ooh, that was a good one.
As someone whose favorite game is also SH2 (With Team Silent SH games being my favorite games) I also had red flags set off during the SH2R trailer, mainly relating to the overexaggerated tone in some of the important scenes we saw. Felt a bit more Hollywood and less Lynch. HOWEVER! Silent Hill F is narratively promising because the writer of that game is the person who wrote Umineko, which is one of the most genuinely interesting stories that I've read as far as video games/Visual novels go (the coincidence was cosmic, as I had finished Umineko a month before the SH Livestream). Granted Silent Hill F also does have some of its fair share of red flags (for example, a potential awkward workflow because all the creative decisions are made at a new internal "Team Silent" at Konami with Neobards handling 100% of the implementation of those ideas. I could see some potential issues there. Another example is that the trailer we saw was outsourced as well by a company not related to either Neobards nor Konami, which is equally worrying because as you mentioned, we even have less of an indication as far as the talent and work concerned).
As as aside, Townfall's announcement made me want to check out No Code's catalogue. I thought the first "chapter" of Untold Story utilized some pretty interesting setup for scares, with the rest of the game mostly falling flat and missing the emotional mark that it was going for. I started Observation yesterday which is already touching on some pretty interesting gameplay and narrative concepts. I think No Code might be better off writing a Silent Hill game that leans more concepts as opposed relying on character/emotional core, which is already a strange thing for a Silent Hill game to be but I think it's important they play to their strengths.
Isn’t taking the original, dismantling it, casting the bones on the floor and jumping on them more or less what they did with Silent Hill Homecoming?
Also The Room showed us the Otherworld exists in many towns not in Silent Hill so I'm not surprised a town in Japan has it too, we likely will get an official answer on that and how it does exist everywhere.
The answer isn’t the problem
did you play the room?
Except you literally go to Toluca Lake and the surrounding forest in Silent Hill.
that visual hint to Gus Van Sant at 3:47 is why I fell in love with ZP (and EP now, I guess) in the first place.
videos like this is why we still need Yahtzee
Another thing that makes me somewhat interested to see what Townfall specifically is is how it's being co-published by Annapurna of all publishers. Who certainly have a brilliant track record with great single player narrative-driven content to say the least!
Even though I've only played through Silent Hill 2 about 6 years ago, I am scared for what becomes of this remake.
Excellent transition into the Bloober Team mention.
Comparing the jank of PS1/2 games with the impurity of Jekyll’s elixir may be the greatest metaphor I’ve ever heard, and I will be using that someday.
In slight defence of Silent Hill F.
It’s an established fact in the canon that Silent Hill appears different to everyone based on their memories, guilt, trauma etc. So it isn’t entirely unreasonable for it to be able to completely change its architecture to resemble a different culture.
This was established in Silent Hill 4. There are rituals to make other Gods outside of Silent Hill proper. They are born from human suffering and a need for Death. It really does just take one lunatic with a red book taken from the Order's old libraries to bring hell on earth to an unsuspecting town miles away.
Us: Hey Konami, can we please get Silent Hills?
Konami: Ok, sure! *releases multiple Silent Hill products*
Us: ….. that isn’t exactly what we meant….
Speaking of horror in a group, it really doesn't work because horror is really dependent on immersion. Having someone by your side is a constant reminder that this is game, essentially breaking the immersive experience.
I've watched a streamer who is really big on immersion play phasmaphobia with some friends. All that ended up happening was them singing baby shark while being chased by ghost.
BUT MUH JOHN CARPENTER'S THE THING!!!!
@@mitchellalexander9162 funny people unironically say that as if the thing wasn't about the isolation you get from distrusting one another
I had the strongest face palm when they said they were doing an over the shoulder camera for sh2 remake
This is probably the only time I've seen SH fans complain about a camera angle. I'm with you, a lot of the original game's atmosphere and memorability was due to the fixed/dynamic camera angles. I mean they talk about wanting to immerse us in SH2's world, yet camera angles allow for us to remember details more so than OTS or FP.
@@TheCyclicGamer Yahtzee described it the best in his review of The Medium. The fixed camera angle gives you a sense of detachment, almost dream-like, like you're being watched.
Over the shoulder camera would make the game look like a generic AAA third person shooter.
Maybe I'll be wrong and my mind will change but for now I'm not optimistic.
They're clearly trying to follow the success of Resident Evil 2 Remake in this regard.
The Medium followed the fixed camera trend but I suspect the wider audience would gravitate more towards the 3rd person camera view.
Look I prefer 3rd person fixed camera myself but why the fuk in 2022 are STILL expecting AAA companies to attempt to release games in this format?
Imagine like 50 people in a stockholders meeting like:
"Right let's revive this dead franchise and only target 40-50 year old gamers. That'll get us money for sure!!!"
Come on now. Have realistic expectations.
@@clementcastro9725 I called out RE2 Remake not being in fixed camera before it was shown in 2019 because of RE7 being in first person. Like if they didn't do RE7 in the classic style, why would they do RE2 Remake in it as well? I would said the same thing about SH2 Remake as well if I actually knew there was one in development.
But fixed camera style isn't a thing for 40-50 year old gamers with an obsession for childhood nostalgia. Yes they were chosen initially due to limitation reasons, but it was a limitation that enhanced those games, not degraded them.
3:38 I see that Yahtzee shares Jack Packard's hatred for the "Gunshot Fade to Black Ending" trope.
I think the most obvious reason it's going to suck is because Konami are involved and they absolutely destroy everything they touch in the last 10 years. Their track record is downright impressive.
Never forget Contra Rogue Corps. And never forgive.
RIP the Bomberman 😭
Why change the camera...? That's just nonsense. The fixed camera in the original was an integral part of the horror experience, as the angles in question were deliberately chosen to instil a sense of wrongness, unease and vulnerability, thereby enhancing the atmospheric dread without having to rely on jumpscares every 30 seconds. Turning the camera into the standard 3rd person shooter cam may make handling easier but goes against the whole bloody point of SH2's core design.
The thing is, silent Hill has been always a kind of a "niche" game, and Konami hasn't understand that. In their race to open up the series and making it more accessible they destroyed the essence. It's not about it's aesthetic concept, nor the sound design: it's about the story, everything stems from it. From the poetic tragedy. And though there's a market for this kind of rare beast, making it popularly massive isn't te right goal. And that seems to me is the idea of Konami. Make Silent hill massive. I can see now what type of remake it's going to be. A linear game that tries so hard to be a movie, you don't have any agency on the story, the majority of puzzles are going to be left out, no backtracking, lots of linear walking, forget about roaming the town wherever you want, the game literally holding your hand as if you didn't know how to play a videogame like this, and a resident evil-esque combat system... What a generic MEH of a game.
That sort of playing around with the innards of the original to create something new you described at the end is precisely a reason I rather enjoyed Shattered Memories for what it was.
My first thought when I heard that they were remaking Silent Hill 2 was to wonder why not give that treatment to SH1 first considering that it's older and it never received any ports, a few seconds later I realized that this is just a cash grab and SH2 is more likely to generate larger profits.
An "In The Loop" reference? You beautiful man.
Get me a fucking Fanta.
Silent Hill F is the only one that made me happy because it's finally a Silent Hill game that by the looks of it isn't trying to be Silent Hill 2, which was one of the biggest downfalls of every Silent Hill game post 4. It's also going to be, hopefully, severely carried by Ryushiki07 who's just amazing at psychological horror, mindfucks and making everything feel paranoid.
Honestly I'd find it funny and satisfying if Silent Hill F was more successful and better received than the Silent Hill 2 remake.
"I'm Here to De-Hype You on Silent Hill"
You're too late my friend, I was never hyped to begin with.
Also, I know that Silent Hill 2 is being remade because it's been judged the "best" one by fans and critics, but I feel like Silent Hill 1 would be the best starting point, remake-wise. Let's face it, its graphics have definitely aged the worst.
I'm one of the people who actually loved the first silent hill movie, ONLY the first one. The second one was liquid diarrhea, but the first one had a very interesting element of intrigue where you really wanted to see where it was all going. I even enjoyed the ending as I thought it was perfectly reasonable that she would be trapped there forever after she allowed the demon girl to possess her body. It didn't have a lot of plotholes, characters were actually pretty intelligent in their decisions, and the moments when it transitioned into nightmare world were very chilling. Most of the people hating on the movie just didn't like the ending, because spoilers... She never left Silent Hill. She drove off, thinking she was safe, but she is trapped there forever now.
Then in the second movie it's basically Silent Hill 2 with James going to get her out and also becoming trapped there, except the movie veered off into the drug taking direction with stupid shit everywhere.
I think in this modern climate, we really need a dedicated de-hype man to counteract the increasingly fervent fan response to so much as a twitch from an existing IP. Thank you for being that de-hype man this time, Yahtz.
See, I feel like cash goals are kind of destructive. I'm sure there are 1000s of programmers who would love to work on a game like Silent Hill remake as an appreciation of a game that may have inspired them, but you know that it's being remade because the Resident Evil remakes have been so successful that it would be dumb to not try to capitalize on survival horror nostalgia in this moment. There had to have been a push to remake RE2 out of at least some kind of passion because they were having so much resurgent success with their 1st person reboot that it would be more of a risk to go backwards. After that the RE remakes turned into grabs at cash but now on less of a shaky foot to stand on, this Silent Hill remake feels like the developers looked over at what RE was doing and said "hey, we used to be college roommates and shared the same major, let's rip off what he's doing and hope to be as successful," which feels disingenuous but here's to hoping it's at least satisfying to engage with.
the fact silent Hill F is beingh written by Ryukishi07 gives it very good chances of being good
The fact that Konami is the owner gives it a very good chance of being canceled.
The fact that we literally know nothing right now gives the game an equal chance of being good or bad
"Hype is an insidious thing."
I'm pretty sure the Darkest Dungeon narrator said that at some point in the game.
The full title of silent hill f is silent hill: press f to be spooked.
If there's one thing that I like about the Blumhouse-esque approach here of "throw money at anyone who can make a video game and fuck off until they finish making it" is that it funds studios that normally wouldn't get that funding to do basically whatever they want. Like, I heavily doubt most of these will be actual SH games, so much as completely different feeling horror games with the occasional street sign to remind you you're in Silent Hill. If Konami stays out of development beyond demanding the SH title, I can be happy with just that little bit of corporate cynicism if it means funding an otherwise unique and interesting game.
The downside of course is that most of these are guaranteed to be trash. Also I think Ascension is a game with a fake twitch chat mechanic which could be interesting? Maybe?
The fact that they revealed 4 games is the problem. Blooper team hasn't made anything i would call beyond mediocre so sh2 is probably screwed. Town fall seems like it will be a normal silent hill game but we know nothing about it. Silent hill f looks cool conceptually but it takes place in Japan so that alone makes no sense and not feel anything like silent hill
Just so damn happy to see someone reference In The Loop.
Basically every Bloober Team horror game so far was them trying to make their own version of Silent Hill, without even the slightest understanding of what make the good games in the series good. Normally I'd just ignore the remake, but considering that BT is responsible for some of the most tasteless depictions of mental health and abuse survivors in media in recent years, I really want these "new" Silent Hill games to be cancelled.
I like the de-hyping.
Would have loved more of it when Cyberpunk was announced.
I'm convinced CD Projekt Red would have loved to be de-hyped themselves, us the audience, and the investors, so that we'd all have had a proper game released.
Oh, well, history and ifs.
I had the same feeling about the SH transmission thing. The 2 remake fills me with no excitement, Konami just saw what Capcom was doing with RE and screeched ME TOO.
I don't know what Townfall is supposed to be so I can't even raise an eyebrow at it. F looks interesting but like it has fuck all to do with Silent Hill. I'm still irrationally pissed off about the last Silent Hill movie. And finally Ascension.... because nothing say we're taking this series seriously than giving it to fucking JJ "Mystery Box" Abrams. The man who already made both Star Wars and Trek worse and seems to be holding a bunch of DC characters hostage at the moment.
I legit went into the thing with one hope, straight ports of the original trilogy and maybe 4 on Switch. Not remasters, I've been burned before. Just some good old ports of the classics. But sadly Konami is Konami so we are getting crap no one wants and with the 2 remake, handled by a worse team than the Eastern European shack that put out Downpour.
I firmly agree Silent Hill should be put out of its misery. Even if some freakish planetary alignment happened and magically the MVPs of Team Silent came back together. I think I'd much rather they crowdfund something "new" that's not owned by Konami. Just pull a Bloodstained, that one worked well.
It's interesting to see a silent hill set in 60s Japan because the same people that was a part of original Team Silent on this team also made SIREN Blood curse, which has similar setting with a American foreign exchange student as the protagonist.
The walking simulator merchants? Oh no.
"Oh cool! Silent Hill 2 is being remade!" I thought excitedly until I saw who was making it. Bloober team, the people responsible for such "classics" as Layers of Fear, The Medium, and Blair Witch. "They're somehow going to make 'In Water' the 'good' ending aren't they?" I asked, incredibly disappointed.
Would love to see a port of the original SH2 on steam
Same, but I don't see it happening any time. Considering that for the HD remasters of sh2 and 3 they had to use unfinished source code as foundations, it wouldn't surprise me if Konami lost the source code for sh1.
The guys who did the fan patch "Silent Hill 2 Enhanced Edition" didn't have any of the source code. I'm not saying tit was necessarily easy to do, but it's clearly possible to update the original to run on modern hardware. Konami just doesn't seem to be interested in investing resources towards it. Once the remake comes out, it'll be an even less attractive proposition for them since they could easily say, "why bring back the old one when we have a version of the game that's more broadly appealing?"
Regarding Silent Hill Ascention:
If it is what you described, it sounds just like Adult Swim's 'Cry of Mann,' which was a live-streamed pseudo-soap opera with very Lynchian vibes that was, at its heart, a horror series.
I loved that show, and the live interaction quality was what the entire experience and narrative were built around.
It also had an 'after show' a la 'Talking Dead' that was called 'Call of Mann' which also directly played into the themes and narrative of the show.
Please, go watch it.
I foresee the same problems to occur with the SH2 remake that happens with every other Blooper Team game, and to describe that, I quote Yahtzee’s Evil Within Zero Punctuation where he described it as if someone just said “make a horror game” with no rhyme or reason to the horror game elements, and that definitely reflects Blooper Team’s horror games; it’s like they have a check list of possible scary stuff. Walls that bleed? Check. Twitching woman that kills you? Check. Lights flickering off? Check. The door you go through again leads to an entirely different location? Check. Walls start warping and distorting? Check.
I also wish some developer would revitalize the psychological profile gimmick SH Shattered Memories had. Yeah, it was basic and didn’t affect much, but it could’ve laid the brick work for it in a future horror game. Like imagine filling out a questionnaire asking what scares you and having it affect the gameplay. You answer that you’re afraid of the dark? Watch the gameplay becomes noticeable darker, flashlight and light sources flicker or die randomly. You answer that you’re afraid of forests and trees? The one forest section of the game becomes more dense with trees and the trees distort into horrifying images to unnerve you. Etc etc.
Eh, the trouble is that the player could lie, and then it wouldn’t work. A better system would be for the game to analyze and adapt to how the player plays. If the player prefers to run around and away from enemies, lock them in a room with enemies so they have no choice but to fight. If the player prefers to use a particular weapon, take it away for a bit and force them to use something else. That sort of thing.
I expect to squeeze through many wall cracks with the same slow walk animation, and to mash a button prompt to push a thing
But I was already de-hyped, so you just re-hyped me. Thanks a lot Yatzy!
Doesn't' sound like you watched the video.
So watching it cancelled out your innate de-hyped-ness? In that case, maybe watching the video a second time will get you where you need to be
I'm astonished at just how many people are still legitimately excited for this despite knowing Bloober Team are behind it. It'd be like people getting excited over a remake of Mother 3 being made by the team that did YIIK; they clearly take a lot of inspiration from these games, but do you really want them handling the actual franchise given their output?
All I need to de-hype myself is ONE WORD : KONAMI
Good news the creator of Silent Hill is making a new Horror game called Slitter head.
If Konami was truly the awesome company everyone thinks it's worth getting hype over, then Konami would make available the original Silent Hill 2, Silent Hill 3, and PT on the modern gaming market, instead of keeping them in a state where the only way to play them is finding the originals on eBay or via piracy.
*"First rule of counter-hyping: If they had anything that would sell the product, they would show you it."*
A very good lesson and valuable advice, but companies have caught on to this and have begun making _fake_ gameplay showcases, such as Anthem, Cyberpunk 2077 and the original Watchdogs.
You know another sign that Konami is incompetent about Silent Hill. Something I don't see any bring up, but before their Transmission stream, it was supposed to have started at a certain time. But even they fucked that up as all that happened was it said, "Thanks for tuning in" and then you refresh the page, the whole stream was right there. Yet some thought it was still live or something. Even if it was UA-cam's fault, I'd say that's a bad omen right there for Silent Hill...