Did Tomcat Get Its First Kills Before the 1981 Gulf of Sidra Incident? Find Out Now!
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- For a long time, people in the West believed that F-14 Tomcat achieved its first air-to-air victories in August 1981 when two US Navy aircraft shot down two Libyan Su-22s. But by that time, Tomcats in Iranian service had already scored multiple kills. In fact, the first ones were achieved even before the full-scale war with Iraq broke out. Discarded by Western observers as hardly operational, IRIAF F-14s were nevertheless a key factor in the eight year long war. How they achieved their first success and what weapon they used, find out in this video.
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- Tom Cooper & Farzad Bishop - Iranian F-14 Tomcat Units in Combat
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- Kash Ryan - Air Combat Memoirs Of The Iranian Air Force Pilots: Iranian Air Force Pilots In Combat
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- The Tomcat’s First Phoenix Kill
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- Tomcat’s First Kill
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Not all the details in this video are 100% historically accurate because of limited assets availability in the platform used for the reenactment. Iranian F-14s don't have IRST, exact variants of Sidewinder missiles are not accessible and Phoenix missile is for some reason represented in grey although it was defined as the A variant in mission editor. If these things bother you, please don't watch.
It doesn't bothers and your videos are lovely
One more detail the door cover to the refuelling probe was removed from all IRIAF F-14 even before the war.
Thanks for the video mate, love your work , I have seen the Attaei interview which himself confirmed the downed plane was a SU-22 and as it was hist first ever phoenix missile launch, he initially thought missile has dopped (just like missile falling off the wing malfunctioning) but later remembered Phoenix detaches first and then heads towards target.
this is the link to his interview (it's in Persian though) : ua-cam.com/video/ZQVdBQAzkcY/v-deo.html
Small hint: i think Mi-24 Hind didn't use engine heat covers back then, during the Cold War.
@@bazejs8084 The soviets helicopters in Afghanistan, including the Mi-24 have engine heat cover.
I love watching the content on the Iran/Iraq war. The most interesting thing about this war is that it had the only ever helicopter vs helicopter air combat between Cobras and Hinds. There was also accounts off Hueys or AB214s, Gazelles and Mi-8 Hips getting caught in air battles also. Would love for a vid to be done on this engagements for a change instead off fixed wing.
My long term plans do include flying helicopters and making videos about them. It is a bit different than fixed wing so it will require some practice for which I'm not yet sure when I will do 😁
@@showtime112 Very good. I will be looking forward to it. Keep up the good work.. 👍🏻
The most accepted count of Hind Vs Cobra is 10 to 7 in Mi-24 favor.
@@alejandrocasalegno1657 Lots off different sources have different counts. We will never know the true figures.
@Medo Kruško Since the 90´s i read the 10 to 7 in Mi-24 favor, two years ago i buyed "The Iran-Iraq War" by Pierre Razoux a very serious book, in page 572 in the list of air losses and air victories are this numbers
Iraq helicopters have shot down 20 helicopters 10 AH-1 Cobras, 9 AB-214 and 1AB-205
The book say the IRIAF F-4 shot down 2 Mi-24 and the F-5 12 Hind
About the iranian AH-1 Cobra say they shot down 4 planes (2 MiG-21, 1 MiG-23 and 1 Su-22) and 25 helicopters (10 Gazelles, 7 Mi-24, 8 Mi-8/17)
Some of the iraqui Mi-24 have eastern german crews.
Is the information i have, i can´t probe is the complete true, but is a very complete book.
Great video as usual. I had no idea about the Shaw and Grumman. The Phoenix appears to be quite a bit better than the Sparrow which were still going dumb even in Desert Storm. Looks like Hughes/Ratheon built a better product than Douglas in terms of FOX 3 missiles.
The exact statistics of Phoenix in combat are hard to assess precisely but it seems like the missile performed quite well.
Thanks for posting. We really enjoyed Mike Guardia's book "Tomcat Fury." He discussed IRIAF ops in detail.
Thanks! There's so much more to cover about the Tomcat.
As always another superb and interesting historical reenactment, keep it up!
No need to worry about that. Thanks for another comment!
Great video! I also have the Cooper-Bishop book, one of my favourite readings. I'd love to see more details depicted by Your great channel, especially the Iranian F-14 fights against Mig-25 variants and Exocet missiles...
Thanks! There will be more stories from this war. Both F-14 and F-4 once it becomes available.
You are 100% ACCURATE in terms of they fly off between the F-14 and F-15 ....AND the fact that it was the Shah of who saved the F-14 and Grumman as a whole...thats not something any American will tell you or admit,regardless if they know about it or not....
This American knows about it and has no problem admitting it . If it wasn’t for the Shah , Maverick n Goose would be flying a Phantom 😂
@@172ndairwing4 my replies to you keep getting deleted for some reason
Thank you for the comment!
@@showtime112 you are most welcome,sir
Awesome. These kills are not only one of the first kills by Tomcats (preceeding the Gulf of Sidra incident by... 2 years?), but I think are the first time Phoenix missiles are launched in anger and achieved kills. I don't even think that the US Navy ever achieved kills using Phoenixes, no? Again, these shows the enormous dedication of the Iranian pilots (and ground crews! ), despite the fact that they're being treated unfairly by the regime.
Thanks! US Navy never scored a kill with Phoenix although some have been launched. I'll probably cover it someday. The stories of Iranian pilots in this period are some of the most fascinating in aviation history.
@@showtime112 it's peculiar, that the apex potential of Western weapon systems were demonstrated and achieved in Middle Eastern hands as apposed to western Pilots. If statistics can be drawn, probably Iranian F-4s had a higher success ratio than U.S F-4s during the Vietnam war: Possible.
@@Mthammere2010 I intend to cover some of those Iranian F-4 stories in the future. The F-4E module is just around the corner!
Awesome video! The F14 in combination with the phoenix missile is a threat to be fear.
Thank you for your comment!
Great video. The Iran-Iraq War has a lot of history to explore. Can't wait for the F-4E and the Early F-14 to arrive in the DCS.
Thanks! I'm definitely buying the F-4E and doing a whole bunch of videos with it.
Very well presented. I would very much like to see a reenactment of the Shah flyoff between the F-14 and F-15.
Thanks! I'm not sure if details are available. I wasn't looking too deep but who knows, maybe someday.
There was a pretty good account of it somewhere but I don't remember where.
@@onkelmicke9670 that dude Snodgrass or Carol Ward did a very descriptive video on that fly off.
@@Mthammere2010 Yeah that's probably the one I was thinking of.
According to legend, the Navy crew burned( dumped) fuel for lighter weight just prior to the Tomcat's demonstration for the Shah. Better acceleration, roll rate, rate of climb...etc. A bit of Sailor slight of hand.
Decades later the F-14 is still flying in Iran’s air force. Hey, it helped the script in Top Gun 2.
Maybe even Top Gun 3, who knows? 😁
Persian Cats left such a scorch mark on Iraqi air force that USN Tomcats failed to score any kills during desert storm because of it, it was just the case where the faintest signal of an AWG9 was enough for Iraqis to turn around and leave the AO. They had learned where that purr is coming from all right...
The Tomcat involvement in Desert Storm is quite interesting, although it didn't score many kills. I intend to cover that in future videos.
Hey showtime, i think you should do videos also with the Falkland islands war between UK and Argentina. Some clashes between harriers and a4's were seen
I did one video about this conflict. I was kinda waiting for Razbam to release the pack which was supposed to go along with South Atlantic map. The pack was supposed to contain many British warships involved in the conflict and most air combat came out of Argentine attacks on these ships. The pack is uncertain and I will probably have to approximate the warships with similar ones.
I have that book you mention and its AWESOME,i HIGHLY reccomend it.
Exactly. Along with 'Iranian F-4 Phantom Units in Combat'.
@@showtime112 must get that book.👍👍
@@showtime112 surprised Tom Cooper never did a 3rd book "Iranian F-5 Tiger units in combat"
@@jaws666 I was expecting that one too, it would have been interesting. He can still do it someday and in the meantime, there's the 'Iranian Tigers At War' by Babak Taghvaee
@@showtime112 actualy had a look at that book online to see if its still available or in print.
The approximate kill number of Iranian F-14S during eight years of war with Iraq was estimated between 160 to 192 air crafts.
Yes, various sources give these figures. I'll certainly explore a lot of that in the future.
Good video.....A few details, the Iraq Mil was a Mi-25, export model of the soviet Mi-24D, not the Mi-24P of the video, the camuflage and the big iraqui flag are right, the F-14 have the right paint, flags and bort numbers
Mi-25, damn! I knew I had forgotten something in the disclaimer comment 😁
Unless your a super aviation geek, there's no visual difference between an Mi-24 and Mi-25. Even the history channel makes more mistakes.
@@Mthammere2010 One difference in the updated Mi-24D in Warsaw pact service is the adition of two "Horns" of the L-006 Beryoza radar warning system....the Mi-25 don´t have it.
@@Mthammere2010 Thanks for the comment!
I believe that F-14 was much more suitable for IRIAF requirements however someone shared with me once an interesting detail. Some years ago during my military service an another conscript who is well into military aviation, told me that during the demonstration of F-14 and F-15 in front of IRIAF high rank officers Grumman staff put limited fuel quantity in Tomcat's tanks. By that way the total weight of the aircraft was significantly decreased and the aircraft's maneuverability was better than expected! According to him that performance along with other factors made IRIAF to choose the Tomcat. I don't know if this is true however it is a very interesting detail if that thing ever happened! .
It is possible that they cheated a bit. According to Cooper and Bishop however, the flyoff wasn't a key factor in the Iranian decision.
The F-14 pilots started their engines when the F-15 started their flight demo. The F-14 pilot did this to burn off fuel and lower their weight. They did this to the point where they had just enough fuel for their flight demonstration. The F-14 pilot said this in a interview a few years later.
Love any of your videos featuring Irainan aircraft...
Thank you, there will be more. Especially when Phantom gets released!
@@showtime112 fantastic...looking forward to them.👍👍👍
Your Videos mostly always leave me speechless great work as usual...👍The AIM-54 Phoenix in action exceeded Mach 5 so if my memories serves me right at a Unit cost of about $477,000> It’s also been retired since there are no F-14 in the US Navy in service anymore. And the rest of the Phoenix missiles the IRAN murder regime has, it's been said they have exceeded their lifespan. So it's really doubtful that they will work our days 🤦♂ they may have rather just a display purpose.🤷♂ The AIM-54 was designed to take out bombers and lacked the manoeuvrability to keep up with modern fighters. In any case, the missiles were at the end of their useful lives. Solid-state rocket fuel does not last forever
Thank you for yet another comment! I agree that any surviving AIM-54s are very likely not functional anymore. But they said the same for Iranian Tomcats in the 80s. Maybe we'll have a chance to see (but I'd rather we don't).
Excelent video . More videos about F 14(gulf of sidra...). And more videos about iran iraq war
Thank you! There will be more videos about this conflict and with F-14 generally.
Another great video! I was very excited to see an F-14 video pop up on my feed this afternoon.
I was reluctant to purchase the module for a long time because the replay track on it is always broken. But I discovered a way around it.
@@showtime112 amazing! If you don't mind, please share how you did it. I've had to fly manually when recording and it's a pain.
@@aaronjamesDS You need to set up a dedicated server and then play your missions on it. Server will record a different track which if far more precise than the one recorded by the game. Look for it in Saved Games under DCS.openbeta_server/tracks Sadly, it doesn't record the cockpit view but the external views are good (at least as far as I can tell).
@@showtime112 wow that's such a great idea! Thank you for sharing. This will help a lot.
Excellent, my favourite modern fighter, thx :)
Thanks! I need to do more Tomcat videos.
Have you ever considered making a video on the first kill by a MiG-21? Though the first shots in anger were fired over Cuba, the first kill probably occurred over the Indian subcontinent.
Actually, I think the first victory for the MiG-21 was achieved in Vietnam. In the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War, they did fly some combat missions but haven't scored any kills. They were barely operational. But yes, that's not a bad idea and I have an interesting Vietnam book to read in the near future so there should be info about it.
Very interesting topic, thanks Showtime great video!
Thanks, I appreciate your comment!
Iran-Iraqi war wis one of the most interesting in history. And Persian Tomcat story as well!
I definitely can't disagree with you.
If you and Fixedit combined your powers the result would rival the Avatar sequel.
Who knows.....
Following the Iranian Revolution, the new regime was interested in selling off IIAF's Tomcats. At the same time Canada was looking for a replacement for its CF-101 Voodoo interceptors. Rather than go through a competition involving multiple aircraft types, Canada negotiations were started with the new Iranian government. Things were about to come to a final deal, with the US pleased the F-14's were going to friendly hands, the 'Canadian Caper' came to light. That being six US embassy employees who found safe haven in the Canadian embassy were flown out of Iran. Once that became public, the Canada-Iran deal for the F-14's was cancelled, and in a few years later Canada ended up with the F/A-18, known as the CF-18.
I have to say I wasn't aware of this deal. Thanks for sharing!
Great video! Something else to add about the Iranian F-14. Many are understandably confused how Iran could keep these complex F-14s flying despite a US arms embargo.
Part of the Grumman F-14 contract was an approximately $200 million support contract. See more from this video: ua-cam.com/video/enaUs3MZX6Q/v-deo.html .
This support deal included civil engineering and upgrade construction of Iranian air bases, local F-14 engine and avionics support facilities , and training of local Iranian personnel. The Shah and Grumman planned for 100% Iranian support of the F-14 program by 1980, so the timing of the Islamic Revolution and subsequent embargo in 1979 was fortuitous for Tomcat operations. Conversely, the McDonnell Douglas F-4D and F-4E Phantoms were heavily reliant on imported parts and suffered from the embargo (until Iran Contra discreetly provided parts). According to Tom Cooper, Iran was down to 3 mission capable F-4Es by 1987.
Thanks for commenting and contributing additional info. I really think the story of Tomcat (and Phantom) sale and operational life in Iran is fascinating.
@@showtime112 youre welcome! take a look at Tom Cooper’s book “Claws of the Tomcat”. It describes an account of a US Navy F-14 engaging an Iranian F-4E in a BVR missile duel in the late 80s over the Straits of Hormuz.
@@172ndairwing4 it would later come out that Israel was covertly supplying spare parts to Iran for equipment that both countries used such as the F-4....Israels postion was "my enimeys enimey is my friend" and by covertly supplying Iran iIsrael kept the war going therefore preventing BOTH Iran and Iraq from plotting against Israel
@@jaws666 it’s been some time since I looked at the Iran Contra documentation, but if I recall Israel acted as the go-between. Back in the Shah’s time Israel and Iran were discreet allies and Israel still had back channel connections to Iran even after the Islamists took power. Israel also took a cut of the money, and what politician turns down large sums of untraceable secret money?
@@172ndairwing4 exactly what im saying..ofcourse Isreal made a ton of money out of the deal....brown envelopes for everyone.🤣🤣
Iran was able to smuggle spare parts for its F-14s from the US during the 1980s in what was called the Iran-Contra affair. Not just spare parts for Tomcats but also huge number of TOW anti tank missiles and Hawk SAM missiles.
That was a very nice show! I have a suggestion, if it's possible, show us the Sadam Hussein's air rider agains Iran, trying to win the war like Israel in 67.
Thanks! Your suggestion would make an interesting video, for sure. The problem is that in DCS we don't really have the main aircraft used by Iraqis for the strikes (except in low-polygon AI controlled versions). But perhaps it could be done in War Thunder.
FINALLY NEW SHOWTIME VIDEO!!!!!
There was a little break but I used productively 😁
@@showtime112 glad to see ya back :)
F14 Tomcat great plane,hey Shaw thanks for helping save it!!!! Us Navy vet talking. Just think if that plane was updated new electronics and engines with thrust vectoring and more power changing the angle of attack.
That would have certainly been interesting.
@@showtime112 the navy was retiring a spate of aircraft at that time as they were trying to get the hornet up to doing the F-14s job to save on maintenance hours and they were retiring the A-6 to replace it with the never evolved past the mock-up A-12 avenger 2 ( another job the F/A-18 had to take on). The USN didn’t want a super tomcat so they came up euth the intake delaminating story to convince Northrop Grumman to push the hornet
Good job by show time 112 I hope to see more videos from your channel
Thanks! More videos coming up!
Nice video👍
Thank you for the comment!
question, once the F4 phantom comes out are you going to redo some of the cool videos u have done about the phantom already?
It's possible. But there are many new scenarios left to do.
Can you cover the first Taiwanese straight crisis? It was the first time the pla was humbled by the rocaf, but not the last.
You mean Sabres vs MiG-17s? The 17 is not yet available in DCS but it's being developed. I'll do it either when the module appears or perhaps with War Thunder.
🛑🛑 This documentary is most accurate story about the Shah and F14! Thank you for your honest explanation in this program! God bless you! Actally becouse of sanction of the west against Iran, there were limited phenix missiles available for F14s therefore the Iranian airforce used the F14 just to scare the Iraqis pilots to avoid intering the Iranian air space! Iranian pilots just lock down the missiles system on the Iraqis jets and after Iraqis pilot knew about it, then they turned back and runback to the Iraqis airspace! But sometimes they were useing the American navy ships on the Persian gulf to fly towards thise navy ships and asking the American forces to cover their safity for Iragis pilots and Iranian fighter jets called back and stop the hunting those Iraqis fighter jets!
Thank you for this elaborate comment. I intend to focus again on the story of Iranian Tomcats in the war against Iraq. There's still plenty left to talk about.
@@showtime112 thank you for your reaction! I'm waiting for your next documentary!
Dear showtime. After watching your vidéo i returned to my paper records and found a report written by Babak Taghvaee. Iranian Journalist and political réfugee i think.
First plane damaged by Vulcan fireby F14 was Antonov2T in 25 August 1980.
This Antonov2T sprayed flammable fluid on farms and fuel derricks. F14 crew was 1stLtTaghi-jadidi Lt Samad Brahimi. Antonov makes emergency landing.
10 septembre 1980 first air air kill with Phoenix against Su-20.
Crew was major Reza Ataiee Rio was Behrooz Pashpour.
Thanks for providing info. I wasn't aware of Tahwaee's report about the Antonov. I loved his book about Iranian F-5s, I can recommend it.
F5 is underestimated, that’s a pity
It lifted some heavy load in this conflict, that's for sure.
I was under the impression that the Phoenix had a different attack profile than other AAMs. I believed that they climbed high and then dove on their targets.
Is this not modelled in the sim, or is that attack pattern something that occurs at longer ranges?
Anyway, thanks for this vid. I enjoy learning about 'obscure' wars that few people know about.
Well, they usually do fly this profile. I'm not quite sure why they didn't here, I haven't really flown the Tomcat module too much. My guess is that it was the combination of range and target altitude.
@@showtime112 Makes sense. By Phoenix standards these were very close range shots.
I believe Ward Carrol mentioned that the Phoenix had 2 or 3 different attack profiles that could be selected. He mentioned this in a video talking about IIAF kills with the F-14. It should also be mentioned that one Iranian pilot shot down 3 Iraqi planes with 1 Phoenix missile.
@@sd906238 Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
If they only knew what the eagle is capable of
Iranians? They insist that they were fully aware of both airplane's capabilities and that they made the right choice.
Thanks 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for commenting!
The first kills by Tomcats were in 1980 when they shot down two Jap Zeroes on December 6, 1941...
Yeah but the Japanese side disputes that it ever happened so we can't be sure 😁😁😁😁😁
Great video! What side you are?
F-14 or F-15 or.....F-18?😼💖
Thanks! Well, Tomcat is a legend. The first of its kind. I'm glad it still flies somewhere.
@@showtime112 Yeah!
Curious how differently things would have played out had the shaw chosen the F15 , knowing the navy chopped up 14s to keep parts from getting to Iran. That would have been much harder to control with the F15 alot of nations fly it.
Well that is the story. I think Boeing was behind that to get rid of the F-14's and to sell more F-18's to the navy.
In Desert Storm, F-15 was way more successful than F-14 but it was mostly due to RoE and other factors (politics?). But it doesn't mean it would have been the same in the Iran-Iraq War. One advantage would have been the availability of assistance from Israel which helped Iran with their Phantoms and could have also helped with F-15s.
Nice video. Glad the Tomcats did well considering the technology at the time. Guns are the ideal last defensive weapon. Technology can and will fail you. 🎩♠️🇺🇲🎱🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻🌼🌸💮🏵️🏴☠️🏹
More often than not 😁
Wow!
Words of Wonder? You play it? 😁
First of all, happy new year 2023. This war have made two millions of death people in the two parts , in 8 years of conflict, a real disaster.
The Occident had put a boycott on political regime of Iran and had sponsored Saddam Hussein 's regime during all this war, and no one was victorious at the end.
The F-14 was superior at any aircraft with the Phoenix missile associated to the radar of the Tomcat, this missile could reach mach 4 in these years and had a range of 200 km !!!
Thanks for another comment! I agree that the war was a disaster for both sides.
This is in Iranian dreams
I wonder if you can make russian air to air kills in ukranian-russo 2022. Since Su35s/Su30s gained air to air kills with R77s, R73(maybe) and R37. But i can understand that its a tough topic to verify certain kills since it's still on going.
Yeah right, especially from the Russian side. We might get the Ukrainian side relatively soon, but until Putin’s gone nobody’s gonna be allowed to write about Russian losses.
@@172ndairwing4 Ukranian side losses are shaddy as well. They mostly don't report when they lost a MiG29 or Su27. Only after a few days or weeks you see some kind of obituary of certain pilots. XY died in airbattle over YX, sometimes it's even more simplistic. XY died fighting invaders. Also a Fighter pilot called Karaya who flies MiG29 and has an interesting youtube channel, was shot down few weeks ago. He made a selfie with his face covered in blood(although he wasnt baddly injured) But that selfie was the only indicator that one MiG29 got shot down iirc.
So yeah its a black hole and i understand why. More like wishful thinking to get such a video, which i doubt it.
Thanks for the suggestion. For now, I prefer not to get too involved in the current conflict. There's a good chance that we never get the full picture confirmed by both sides but I'd still like for some serious researcher analyze everything first.
@@ariannescharfi9366 we’ll likely have to wait years and potentially decades before the truth on both sides of the Russo/ Ukraine war is documented and confirmed. Not only are losses and kills typically classified during a war, even the military people get it wrong. Information is fragmentary and it takes time for the people fighting it to understand the truth. It wasn’t until after the Vietnam war US military pilots realized North Vietnamese Ace “Colonel Tomb” didn’t exist and in fact they had multiple aces like Nguyen Van Coc. We just have to wait for the facts.
@@showtime112 Remenber you make one video of the ukranian war claims.....not your best hour.😁😁
Cool
Thanks!
I sent link of this video to general #Mazandarani
Thanks. I'm afraid he'll find many inaccuracies 😁
@@showtime112 He is much more gentleman than these words, he was one of the main consultants for the design of the F14 fighter in DCS.
@@a_s_mikael I have to say I didn't know that. Looking forward to the proper Iranian version.
@@showtime112 This is the complete explanation of General #Mazandarani about this video clip:
'Greetings and many thanks to you and and the admin and respected to him who made this beautiful video clip
It is completely accurate and well-documented in the explanations regarding the signing of the contract for the purchase of Tomcats in two stages and the granting of a 120 million dollar loan by the National Bank of Iran to Grumman for the continuation and completion of the Tomcat project.
In relation to the first conflict between two Tomcats with Iraqi MI8 helicopters and the use of Sidewinder missiles and the failure to hunt helicopters with Sidewinders, it is not true at all Because until January 1982, Iranian Tomcats were only able to carry the Phoenix missile and 660 rounds of ammunition for their Gatlin gun machine guns, and after this date, it was possible to install and use the old Sidewinder G missiles and the old Phantom E3 sparrows on the Tomcats became.
In connection with the subsequent conflict, which was explained to the pilot Mr. Mohammad Reza Atai and accompanied by his rear cabin Behrouz Pashapour, it is completely correct, but as far as I know, the target of his Phoenix missile was an Iraqi MI8 helicopter, which unfortunately did not find any wreckage. In relation to the last conflict, which is related to the servant himself, the narrator's explanation is correct to a large extent, and the rear cabin of the servant in this flight was Mr. Qasim Soltani, because iraqi bomber was bombarding the city of Mehran due to the sensitive position of the Iraqi plane, we forcing to hunt the plane from behind, I became him at a distance of 11 miles, of course, our action to overtake the target aircraft worked correctly, and the Iraqi aircraft's fireball was observed in a very short time and the wreckage of the plane was observed by the head of the air force desk center in the region (captain Iraj Emami). ) from the F-5 master pilots of Dezful base, the agent was found in the area after an hour and was sent to Dezful base by trolley.'
A funny thing....the first kill was a Mi-24 with a cannon.......the last was Maverick "Kill" a "Su-57" with a cannon!!!😂😂😂
Talk about the full circle 😉
Iranian claims are to be taken with a good fistful of salt.
Maybe
Based on the published research, Iranian F-14 kills appear to be credible. There’s another clue which backs Iranian Tomcat kills- when US F-14s flew in Iraq during Operation Desert Storm, Iraqi Air Force pilots took care to stay far, far away from USN Tomcats. When we consider many of those Iraqi pilots were de facto survivors of the Iran-Iraq war, it lends credence to the notion Iranian Tomcats did a lot of damage
As a matter of fact the casualties in the 8-year war cannot be exactly verified. The Iranian side will keep their records in secrecy and the Iraqi records got lost when the Iraqi Air Force ministery got plundered in 2003. Yet I read a report in a German magazine that confirms your facts. After a short time of trouble during the beginning of the revolution the Iranians managed to keep their F-14s operational throughout the conflict.
Can you please stop your commentary
This is not a commentary but narration. Without it, it wouldn't make any sense. Just like your comment.
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