@@wardaddy223 The irony that you say to "improve your english" as you forget to capitalize both Chinese and English and misspell the slur you tried to use. P.S.: I'm not Chinese
Whatever the reverse of a backhanded compliment is, is the thing he just said to her. He phrases it like an insult and he says it to dismiss her. But it's very obvious that, despite everything. There is a love for that woman underneath because he doesn't actually insult her at all
tikletik lol when did he say anything was beneath him? He says constantly that everything he hates about humanity he sees in himself just as much. His demons were that his daughter died; hers were she wanted to hurt Marty for hurting her. In what world are those two the same, and in what world is having someone knock on your door when you’re piss ass drunk, and forcing themselves on you knowing they’re attractive and that you’re too drunk and vulnerable to say no, you using them?
Rust doesn't care being "outsmarted" by Maggie. He cares being manipulated by her. There was always an undercurrent of attraction, may be something more, between Rust and Maggie. For all his faults, Rust wasn't a liar. And Maggie sensed it. Hell, so did Marty, who was riddled with his own guilty conscience and was aware of his own cheating and Rust's brutal honesty. Maggie went to Rust, made him vulnerable by faking her own vulnerability, had sex with him and told him point blank how she used him to get rid of Marty. And Rust doesn't care he was "outsmarted" by her. He cares he was used by her, she used Rust's feelings for her against him to get rid of someone. And that someone was the closest thing Rust ever had to a friend. It is so cruel on so many levels.
What makes it difficult to understand is that I always assumed Maggie was attracted to Rust too because they had a connection, but it seems like she wasn’t based on how logical this analysis seems
@@gildafilmproductions1383 I think she made a very calculated move. Even if she was attracted to him, she manipulated those feelings of her to use him to get rid of Marty.
Just love the fact that he knows she outplayed him, probably the only person to do so, and used him for her own agenda which he probably despises her for, but can't find it in himself to be mean to her. I love how he just ignores her questions about him because he knows that they're probably 98% fake and just tells her that he's heard her life is well and that's good. He truly is one of the best fictional characters, in recent memory anyway.
I think it's past that. He realizes it's his fuck up, that she was actually incidental to his own demons. And she needed him to validate her by caring, but he simply doesn't.
Short Changed Hero she didn't outplay jackshit. She's the simplest character in the entire story. A woman who used a man, to get revenge on the man she loved.
Last episode: Marty Hart : You know, when she told me, she said not to blame you, that it wasn't your choice... You, uh, were drunk and... she made it happen. Rust Cohle : Everybody's got a choice, Marty... Shit, I sure blamed you. Marty Hart : Blamed me? For what? Rust Cohle : [Swallows] For pushing a good woman to the point where she had to use me, use our partnership to get rid of you. For just being a lying sack of shit. Marty Hart : You know, she couldn't have used you, if you didn't want some. Rust Cohle : There you go... Everybody's got a choice.
Maggie: - Rust, nice to see you Rust: - Bullshit... Rust's main issue with Maggie it's not about being outplayed by her, it's about making him betrayed his friend. "Marty says the girls are doing fine, that's good", he never asks how is she, he points out what's really important to Marty. Rust still respects her and makes her a compliment by "classing this place up", but he wants to make clear that Marty is his true friend
I think Rust main issue was with Maggie being able to toy with his emotions and the fact that he give in and essentially a 'pawn' in the game Maggie was playing to get back to Marty. Rust wasnt hurt by the fact that he betrayed his friend, he was more hurt by the fact that Maggie used him. Rust did tell Marty that he was an major asshole who made a good women (Maggie) to do what she did in breaking up their partnership.
Rust was definitely sorry about what he did to Marty. That's why he "held back" when they were fighting (they talked about this in the car), after the fight Rust just decided to quit saying "Fuck this world... Nice hook, Marty", just a way to express he had remorse of what he did.
+RopeDrink Agreed. It amazes me that so many commenters are so clueless about this. It's like they are so socially awkward that they can't comprehend the obvious irony in Rust's words, and that they seem to not remember Maggie having to apologize to Rust after she seduced him. "I'm sorry, but thank you" is what she said. And now Rust can't stand to be in her presence, and she knows it.
Torgo1969 the message clearly is with irony. The respect is about rivalry and being outsmarted once. But he clearly does not like her, he kicked her out from his place screaming at her.
The bottom line is she used him even though she appreciated him a lot, but she made the mistake of manipulating him in order for her to get rid of Marty who he himself was the notorious hypocrite lying cheater. Rust was upset because he lost a friend because of it, but made the choice of falling for her trap which he could've walked away from which was difficult. All three people made mistakes on this one
That was the great part about the characters in this. There is no "Hero" exactly. It's not that simple of a series. These people, though you do root for them, are imperfect and sometimes make shitty decisions. They are more real than the cookie cutter Hero/Villain model. The series itself isn't black and white either. I think of it as a horror story wrapped in the guise of noire.
This is the most accurate description of thiz situation. But I think Maggie and Marty were such dicks in the aftermath. Rust accepted his own mistakes but those two did not.
Maggie made no mistakes. She always knew what she was doing, and every action was calculated. Rust is mad because he knowing better couldnt resist the urge to self destruct. This is the biggest weakness of humanity that he detests. Losing Marty as a friend just made it worse. Marty was just a dude that wanted pussy and a quiet trophy wife... A wolf doesnt become a poodle because he puts on a ring. Instead of being a self parody he should have embraced who he always was, like rust tried to. Marty's problem is that hes incapable of introspection, and doesnt plan. Hes pure impulse. The relationship between all 3 is a key part of the overall story. It highlights all the different types of human personality traits. The cold bloodied psychopath Maggie, the overly analytical introvert Rust. And a guy incapable of processing guilt, and works purely off impulse Marty. Incredible writing
Breaks my heart as a father looking at the man in the back whose son went missing. He doesn’t say or do anything in this scene apart from being hunched over (apparently passed out from one too many) but you know he’s in pain.
The same way he very suddenly and quickly got up, walked out, and sped away on her after she made her whole "You must've been a shitty husband" remark in response to him telling her to let Marty see his children. This is the only way you can shut down a manipulative narcissist because they will always have something to say to turn it back around you somehow. He quietly but very forceful communicates with her that "I'm not playing your bullshit games"
I like that this scene starts with Maggie's car driving up reflected in the mirror in front of Rust. It's a neat little symmetry with their last meeting (if I remember right) where he walks out of the diner and his car pulling away is reflected in the window in front of her.
My heart breaks for that guy- his son was one of those that went missing. He probably went from being a normal family man to this “drunk bum” because of that. Tragic :(
I thought the "You're classing the place up" was a real dig at her. Despite how she is to everyone else, she betrayed him. To him, she isn't classy at all and what's more, she knows that's what he thinks of her. He saw a side of her she doesn't show anybody and he isn't letting her forget it regardless of where she is in her life. Honestly, that's got to hurt a person who is genuinely nice MOST of the time, knowing that there is someone out that thinks you are a piece of shit. Especially because you know they are right.
No stop! Rust doesn't think she betrayed him personally she knows that she betrayed the husband. Throughout the whole show rust Rogers Marty on his cheating and he doesn't understand because he had a loving wife and rust doesn't want to come to terms that Meggie isn't what she seems
Maggie needed a way out of that toxic marriage. It's shame she had to use Rust to do it, because I think she clearly liked him and respected him as a person.
@@sebastianemond5313 oh yeah she definitely liked him, don't see the sexual tension between them too? Plus she liked him enough to give him a little fun before shit hits the fan.
Rust wasn’t the only viable way out of her marriage. Rust was the only viable avenue that she felt would destroy Marty. She was willing to sacrifice Rust’s dignity and character to destroy Marty, as she knew she had power over him. She thought she respected him, but true respect would’ve been leaving him out of it.
@@jlop6822 good point, i think she's also damaged to the point that she needed to ruin an ideal man with strong character like Rust to prove to herself that all men are deep down dirtbags, willing to sleep with their friend's wife.
@@metsrus not a bad angle. Definitely paints a worse image of Maggie though. That means she’s stooping close to Marty’s level of trying to confirm his own biased belief that women are floozy/easy and exist to serve him primarily regardless of their place in his life. In that analogy, Marty uses women to serve his own selfish interests - this drives Maggie crazy to the point where…she does the same exact thing.
0:22 interesting that Rust sees Maggie exit her truck in the mirror. Just like in their scene at the diner, where Rust leaves her there and we watch him get in his truck in the reflection of the window.
yeah he's the broken lady now. He's still a boss even though she crumbled rust and marty's empire. things just went completely off the rails after that
It sucks. It really does. That Maggie used Rust like that, when he'd been nothing but good to her as a friend and loyal to Marty as a partner. He was a bastard in his own right but did not deserve to be caught between their BS only to be used as a scapegoat, losing both of them and his job in the process. Worst of all, how Maggie took advantage of Rust when he was drunk, docile and miserable- she damn well knew he'd never go along if he were sober. Imagine Rust had taken advantage of her like that. Makes me sick. Honestly this scene made me both sad and shocked at her audacity, haha. I'm glad she's doing well out of spite for Marty and his idiocies, but I lost all respect for her in lieu of a sad kind of shame. Shame she had to resort to something so wrong.
I like how he responds to her personal questions as if she didn't ask them at all. I hate passive aggressiveness, but this is straight justified venom.
Maggie's mom said earlier in the season that she has a tendency to tear others down with what she can't control. When she went to cheat on Mary, which fairplay to her because her husband stayed cheating. She went after his partner, while he was drunk and pretty much preyed on his vulnerability. She couldn't control Marty and his cheating, so she had to bring someone close to him into their mess just so she could end it. It was a calculated move and she had amazing timing to get to Marty drunk and vulnerable. I think people saying Rust is mad because she outplayed him, I don't think is the case. She used him to get back at her husband, thus destroying the friendship and Rust pretty much saying "I quit". He definitely had a choice. But I don't think it would have went down that way if he was sober and in his right mind. Like I said, she preyed on his insecurities and the fact that he was drunk. Where she could have just served him with divorce papers. Dragging Rust into it, when he said repeatedly to both of them that it is not his business was wack and it spoke to what her mom said to her early on in the season.
I understand why she did what she did, she needed a sure fire way to get rid of Marty, she had to do something extreme, It's a shame Rust ended up being used, he didn't deserve it.
She could have nailed any other man on earth with her good looks. Marty would still have left. She was just lazy and also wanted to ruin their friendship. Fuck her. Or rather, fuck the writing they did for her character.
Michelle Monaghan should have her own fan-curated montages from this series; that's what I was looking for, and got this instead. Scene after scene she killed, never losing an ounce of cool/dignity.
If, as a man, you don't like your buttons being pushed then it is up to you, its up to me,, to understand that they are your buttons, they are my buttons. I give access or withold access to who pushes them. It is no small task to undestand that. Real wisdom will come from that struggle to understand.
hold up. maggie did leave marty and he crawled his way back to her. she knew that sleeping with a stranger wouldn't bother him so, to get him to leave for good, she used rust. you have read the complexities of it completely wrong.
the girl in question so she let him back and still couldn’t find the nerve to just divorce him she had to bang his partner. Just because Marty is a piece of shit doesn’t justify her adultery.
@@smellslikewrasslin Neither Rust, Marty or Maggie are blameless. But that didn't matter by the end. They all find redemption and healing. Even rust forgives her I believe in that same episode when he tells Marty that it was his fault that she did what she did. And what do you mean she didn't play a part in the final episodes? She was there with Marty in the hospital at the end. Look very carefully during that scene. She's still wearing her wedding ring indicating that it's not too late for them now that Marty can finally be honest about his feelings.
Rust let Marty get a lot of punches in on him in there fight because he knows it wasnt Maggie's fault he slept with her though it did hurt him she was just using him and would use him despite his and her friendship not just his and marty partnership.
Maggie liked Rust, Rust saw her just as a good friend. Rust was never ready to risk his relationship with Marty. So many times Rust had avoided Maggie but at last she used Rust to get out from a toxic relationship with Marty. But I don't know how she found out Rust
I don't understand why the fandom despises Maggie so much when Rust himself (whom the fandom whorships) thinks she's a "good woman" till the end of the series, and Marty clearly still loves her (tho I feel like more in a sense of family, not so much in a romantic sense anymore, you see how he doesn't pay any mind to the wedding ring on her finger, he just smiles at her and his daughters) and she loves him just the same, she covers for him and she goes to see Rust out of worry for Marty. Watching the series and not being able to get past Maggie's human flaws, when they never stop showing you other characters flaws... It blows my mind, I don't get it.
@@lucasmoreirasantos8377 absolutely. It makes no sense to like Marty despite his (many, many) flaws, and then act like Maggie's one act of revenge is unforgivable. I think part of it is because the story is told from Rust and Marty's perspective, so you empathize a lot more with them, and then the other part of it is prejudice, probably unconscious, but prejudice all the same. For me, at one point of the series (specifically when he grabs Maggie by the neck and it's apparent he would physically hurt her, if she hadn't stopped him by threatening him) I didn't even feel like Marty could be saved as a character, in the sense that I didn't think I'd be able to like him ever again. But I think most people, seeing him in the 2012 timeline, are able to forgive him, or at least I did.
Exactly!!! In the last episode Marty says to Rust, "She couldn't have used you, if you didn't want some." Rust then replies with, "There you go. Everybody's got a choice." Seems like all these fans forget that conversation.
i think a big part of it is because not only did she cheat, which in this case, fair enough, but she went out of her way to bring someone else into it and destroy the other persons friendship and partnership. To be fair, rust absolutely had a choice in the matter and fucked up, but she went OUT OF HER WAY to do that. She's also a minor character compared to rust and marty, so one of her only major moments in the show is doing something that most people find shitty, where we see a lot more of the guys, both shitty and good
@@sparky918 her one shitty act pales in comparison to Marty's long path of shit acts. People who see her character through that one moment of her life and ignore everything before (the many years of being cheated on and putting up with Marty's shit) and everything after (her worrying about and caring for Marty in the 2012 timeline, long after their divorce), are either not paying attention, or blinded by sexism. Also yes she went out of her way to fuck Rust, it wasn't an accident, it was her plan, to make Marty mad enough that he would leave, cause she had tried leaving him before and it hadn't worked, cause she let him back in, cause she loved him.
Whataboutism. All we have of Maggie is that she was Marty’s wife and the mother to his children, and that she cheated. I’ve never seen one person say what Marty did with his infidelity’s was right. People hate that about him.
Guilt played a huge role i think. Shes a narcissist though, so in the end she would have just hurt him again. Notice he dodges every bs question? He aint opening up to that mfer again lol
I think it's because deep down he has abit of a crush on her, and he knows she has abit of a crush on him. But his loyalty to Marty makes him despise his feelings and just want her gone. A good friend.
What does rust mean when he says "it doesn't sit right with me then and it doesn't now, you asking me to lie to you about him"???? What was Rust lying about???
What she asked right before, if Marty could get hurt. He's just saying he's not going to lie to her and say that Marty would be safe diving back into the case.
Can anyone explain the comment he makes saying 'It doesn't sit right, you asking me to lie to you about him' I'm lost with what that is referring to in the show? When does she ask him to lie to her?
Although i can comprehend why she would choose to manipulate Rust and hurt Marty in the most effective manner for lack of a better term, being cheated on twice makes you vulnerable to debauchery i suppose but i couldn't help but think she was utterly shelfish, Marty given his proclivity towards obsessive possession over his ladies, whether they be his daughters, wife or mistresses, he would have reacted pretty much the same if it were the man from the bar, he would have flipped out either way. This woman however, did not for all her intelligence, give any semblance to the situation the lads were in. I was so mad at her, the reason being that if it wasn't for her poor judgement, Rust would not have been discredited, he was utterly invested in the case and he was inching closer to crucial clues. He needed Marty's support to succeed given his friction with the higher authorities and they might have helped save countless lives. 8 years...........this woman broke their bond that left Rust unemployed (not that he had any intention of staying on the force to begin with, did better off without being a member) but more importantly alone. She used his trust, and yes Rust was just as much responsible for the choice, but he was a mess working on a case as evil as it was and everyone on the force calling him a fool for his structured theories including Marty, dealing with his past both as an undercover agent and the loss of his wife and only child. I don't blame him, in comparison her problem of a cheating husband seems trivial. Infact that's how she broke him when she says, "You should not have to live like this" pretty low move, woman.. getting him to reflect on his vulnerabilities. I developed more respect for the character after this scene, because he was a perfect gentleman, most people in his shoes would have been a lot more resentful. If it wasn't for the fall out, i wonder how the case would have escalated.......Maggie is projected as a perceptive character, am I to believe that she did not foresee how this blunder would affect everyone involved, I'm sure she had an inkling of the severity of the case after the Ledoux debacle. Rust has every right to refute her attempt at camaraderie. She's got a long road to climb in my opinion.
She chose Rust because like she said it would break Marty and make him leave without second thoughts. It's because Rust was Marty's friend and she used that friendship. It had been with a stranger,Marty wouldn't have been this pissed off and likely wouldn't have divorced her.
@@tiaaaron3278 Women doesn't need to screw someone best friend to get a divorce. She just wanted to hurt marty. She can get a divorce even without screwing anyone. This is bs.
@@Babebubby Well go watch it. Also don't try to read spoilers on internet before you watch the show. It's ruins the fun. This infidelity scene in the show has very small impact. The show has way more.
i would say of course he was not only drunk she told him first be honest.......like just imagine how it could be after she left marty......he is also after 10 years telling rust he had a choice.....OF COURSE HE IS LIKE ALL HUMANS SOMEONE WHICH NEEDS SOMEBODY.......HE TRIED TO STOP HER BUT SHE SEDUCED HIM AND AFTER NOW IS BECOMING SOMETHING I GUESS A WOMEN NEVER WOULD FORGIVE OR TRY TO BE HONEST AND SAY IT WAS ALSO HIS CHOICE....is one of the sad moments in the season when she put her panties on and he notice why she only was using him......i imagine something like that a man could never do to a women like she did....after so long time and i believe her also is very difficult for ladies to go out and having sex with a stranger? i mean sobber and not a single nymphe........... she had no choice and she told him how she tried in a bar..........but he takes all responsibilty for that to himself....I THINK THATS A REAL HERO OR?
People on this comment section you guys don't understand she doesn't I'll play him. She regrets leaving her husband. She understood that she thought she left them but instead they moved on forever without her. In this story she's the girl looking in the window without a history. No matter how sad Marty and rust were they were more conflicted on loosing a friendship than Maggie. This sense is beautiful because rust shows he doesn't give a fuck about Maggie feelings for him or Marty
i think she cares too much for rust. even back then, deep down she wanted some thing more than just a revenge from husband. she used rust, it was also a passion, a care, a hope to earn rust. that's just the way that women are. as soon as they see a mysterious man, all of their soul is in pain 'til they make the man normal as any. usually the best way is sex, which didn't work in this case
@@waragainstmyself1159 oh im not jumping to the defense of anything or anyone. I wanted to make you look as diminutive to yourself as you do to everyone else. Your self image practically projected in that comment was wrought with a sense of inferiority and impotence. I dont give a fuck wether women actually are whores or not, i just found you fucking wimpy as shit. (same with racists not out of moral obstinacy but a stance formed from facts) recognize your own inadequacy.
Obviously shes a minion of the yellow king she destroys rust and marty partnership effectively ending cohles career now she goes to try and sabotage there investigation but doesn't have the power over either she once did but shes there Lickety split at the hospital by Marty's side with what he thinks are his daughters to make sure they go no further like finding out lawnmower man was a pissant scrap thrown to them as a decoy hell that dude was just a caretaker who hated his dad and had a big marijuana crop growing.
The issue here is... In modern day if a women is drunk, whether she is giving consent or not dosent matter... Legally u should not sleep with a woman who is drunk, as its considered that she cant give consent, yet with rust here the exact thing happened, but since he is a man, that question is never asked...
Maggie Outsmarted him by pussy not brain. Men can't resist an women specially if he is lonely for years and not sober. Post nut clarity will always defeat all reasons and intelligence.
"Get out of here, you're classing the place up"
The most wholesome insult one can receive.
@@wardaddy223 The irony that you say to "improve your english" as you forget to capitalize both Chinese and English and misspell the slur you tried to use.
P.S.: I'm not Chinese
Boom! burn that was a insult with pure *class*
After what she did to him. Can't blame him.
She's problematically hot for a shit fuck dive bar.
Whatever the reverse of a backhanded compliment is, is the thing he just said to her. He phrases it like an insult and he says it to dismiss her. But it's very obvious that, despite everything. There is a love for that woman underneath because he doesn't actually insult her at all
I'm glad they did not fall in love. He should feel betrayed and she shouldn't be forgiven. The writers were right on with this scene.
tikletik I wouldn't say he used her as much as she used him. She threw herself to him when he was shit faced drunk
You are probably a female.
tikletik he constantly tried to stay away from Marty’s and Maggie’s business. She seduced him
Except when he mowed Marty's grass.
tikletik lol when did he say anything was beneath him? He says constantly that everything he hates about humanity he sees in himself just as much. His demons were that his daughter died; hers were she wanted to hurt Marty for hurting her. In what world are those two the same, and in what world is having someone knock on your door when you’re piss ass drunk, and forcing themselves on you knowing they’re attractive and that you’re too drunk and vulnerable to say no, you using them?
Rust doesn't care being "outsmarted" by Maggie. He cares being manipulated by her. There was always an undercurrent of attraction, may be something more, between Rust and Maggie. For all his faults, Rust wasn't a liar. And Maggie sensed it. Hell, so did Marty, who was riddled with his own guilty conscience and was aware of his own cheating and Rust's brutal honesty.
Maggie went to Rust, made him vulnerable by faking her own vulnerability, had sex with him and told him point blank how she used him to get rid of Marty.
And Rust doesn't care he was "outsmarted" by her.
He cares he was used by her, she used Rust's feelings for her against him to get rid of someone. And that someone was the closest thing Rust ever had to a friend.
It is so cruel on so many levels.
What makes it difficult to understand is that I always assumed Maggie was attracted to Rust too because they had a connection, but it seems like she wasn’t based on how logical this analysis seems
@@gildafilmproductions1383 I think she made a very calculated move. Even if she was attracted to him, she manipulated those feelings of her to use him to get rid of Marty.
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"Get on out of here, your classin' the place up" ..... The gentlemanly way of telling someone to fuck off.
Just love the fact that he knows she outplayed him, probably the only person to do so, and used him for her own agenda which he probably despises her for, but can't find it in himself to be mean to her. I love how he just ignores her questions about him because he knows that they're probably 98% fake and just tells her that he's heard her life is well and that's good. He truly is one of the best fictional characters, in recent memory anyway.
I think it's past that. He realizes it's his fuck up, that she was actually incidental to his own demons. And she needed him to validate her by caring, but he simply doesn't.
Short Changed Hero she didn't outplay jackshit. She's the simplest character in the entire story. A woman who used a man, to get revenge on the man she loved.
spot on
@Mildly Amusing Channel i agree. we shouldn't blame the women here.
Last episode:
Marty Hart : You know, when she told me, she said not to blame you, that it wasn't your choice... You, uh, were drunk and... she made it happen.
Rust Cohle : Everybody's got a choice, Marty... Shit, I sure blamed you.
Marty Hart : Blamed me? For what?
Rust Cohle : [Swallows] For pushing a good woman to the point where she had to use me, use our partnership to get rid of you. For just being a lying sack of shit.
Marty Hart : You know, she couldn't have used you, if you didn't want some.
Rust Cohle : There you go... Everybody's got a choice.
Maggie: - Rust, nice to see you
Rust: - Bullshit...
Rust's main issue with Maggie it's not about being outplayed by her, it's about making him betrayed his friend. "Marty says the girls are doing fine, that's good", he never asks how is she, he points out what's really important to Marty. Rust still respects her and makes her a compliment by "classing this place up", but he wants to make clear that Marty is his true friend
I think Rust main issue was with Maggie being able to toy with his emotions and the fact that he give in and essentially a 'pawn' in the game Maggie was playing to get back to Marty. Rust wasnt hurt by the fact that he betrayed his friend, he was more hurt by the fact that Maggie used him. Rust did tell Marty that he was an major asshole who made a good women (Maggie) to do what she did in breaking up their partnership.
Rust was definitely sorry about what he did to Marty. That's why he "held back" when they were fighting (they talked about this in the car), after the fight Rust just decided to quit saying "Fuck this world... Nice hook, Marty", just a way to express he had remorse of what he did.
+RopeDrink Agreed. It amazes me that so many commenters are so clueless about this. It's like they are so socially awkward that they can't comprehend the obvious irony in Rust's words, and that they seem to not remember Maggie having to apologize to Rust after she seduced him. "I'm sorry, but thank you" is what she said. And now Rust can't stand to be in her presence, and she knows it.
Torgo1969 the message clearly is with irony. The respect is about rivalry and being outsmarted once. But he clearly does not like her, he kicked her out from his place screaming at her.
‘Classing the place up’ was said with sarcasm. I doubt he had much respect for her after what she did.
The bottom line is she used him even though she appreciated him a lot, but she made the mistake of manipulating him in order for her to get rid of Marty who he himself was the notorious hypocrite lying cheater. Rust was upset because he lost a friend because of it, but made the choice of falling for her trap which he could've walked away from which was difficult. All three people made mistakes on this one
That was the great part about the characters in this. There is no "Hero" exactly. It's not that simple of a series. These people, though you do root for them, are imperfect and sometimes make shitty decisions. They are more real than the cookie cutter Hero/Villain model. The series itself isn't black and white either. I think of it as a horror story wrapped in the guise of noire.
This is the most accurate description of thiz situation. But I think Maggie and Marty were such dicks in the aftermath. Rust accepted his own mistakes but those two did not.
Maggie made no mistakes. She always knew what she was doing, and every action was calculated.
Rust is mad because he knowing better couldnt resist the urge to self destruct. This is the biggest weakness of humanity that he detests. Losing Marty as a friend just made it worse.
Marty was just a dude that wanted pussy and a quiet trophy wife... A wolf doesnt become a poodle because he puts on a ring. Instead of being a self parody he should have embraced who he always was, like rust tried to. Marty's problem is that hes incapable of introspection, and doesnt plan. Hes pure impulse.
The relationship between all 3 is a key part of the overall story. It highlights all the different types of human personality traits. The cold bloodied psychopath Maggie, the overly analytical introvert Rust. And a guy incapable of processing guilt, and works purely off impulse Marty.
Incredible writing
@@Halloween111 rust is the hero.
So what happened in the end?! Did she get back with marty?! Or are they divorced?
Breaks my heart as a father looking at the man in the back whose son went missing. He doesn’t say or do anything in this scene apart from being hunched over (apparently passed out from one too many) but you know he’s in pain.
Put her in her place perfectly. No anger, just pure dismissal.
The same way he very suddenly and quickly got up, walked out, and sped away on her after she made her whole "You must've been a shitty husband" remark in response to him telling her to let Marty see his children. This is the only way you can shut down a manipulative narcissist because they will always have something to say to turn it back around you somehow. He quietly but very forceful communicates with her that "I'm not playing your bullshit games"
What an absolute boss demonstration of how to part ways with a lady.
@S B Yeah. He was being curt with her lol.
“You’re classing the place up” is the smoothest way of saying “get the fuck out of here I don’t want to talk to you” that I’ve ever heard
I like that this scene starts with Maggie's car driving up reflected in the mirror in front of Rust. It's a neat little symmetry with their last meeting (if I remember right) where he walks out of the diner and his car pulling away is reflected in the window in front of her.
zoaxanthellae I’ve seen this series so often and never noticed that!
@@morganfarrell2442 i actually noticed such cool camera work
Exactly,noticed it on my 5th rewatch
It's like poetry, they rhyme...
I love the tension which produce between Rust and Maggie :) Matthew is the best in this role
Yeah, great scene.
Thanks for watching.
Best series of all time. A god damn masterpiece. 10/10. Watched it all the way through three times now. Brilliant
11th time at the moment, and the layers of foreshadowing become better with each seasonal viewing.
It is the greatest show in TV history.
1:46 Sniper pal just waking up from a mid to late afternoon snoozer.
My heart breaks for that guy- his son was one of those that went missing. He probably went from being a normal family man to this “drunk bum” because of that. Tragic :(
Sniper?
@@NattyIce553 Really dude.. Did you watch the show?
War Against Myself yea man, 6 or 7 years ago, sorry the memory ain’t what it used to be, howd we recognize the sniper pal?
@@NattyIce553 He tells marty its his old sniper pal then the guy ends up sniping the ex detectives car when Rust holds up his hand.
your classing the place up.... love it!!
was that a diss to her?
Maybe. It's just an awesome line anyway
It felt like a jab.
It's like some line out a Humphrey Bogart film. Old school.
Just a way of saying she has no business being there.
"get on out of here. You're classin' the place up."
this dude
I thought the "You're classing the place up" was a real dig at her. Despite how she is to everyone else, she betrayed him. To him, she isn't classy at all and what's more, she knows that's what he thinks of her. He saw a side of her she doesn't show anybody and he isn't letting her forget it regardless of where she is in her life. Honestly, that's got to hurt a person who is genuinely nice MOST of the time, knowing that there is someone out that thinks you are a piece of shit. Especially because you know they are right.
No stop! Rust doesn't think she betrayed him personally she knows that she betrayed the husband. Throughout the whole show rust Rogers Marty on his cheating and he doesn't understand because he had a loving wife and rust doesn't want to come to terms that Meggie isn't what she seems
@@Rubrick23.
No, rust is upset that she used him. He doesn’t care that she “isn’t what she seems.”
Maggie needed a way out of that toxic marriage. It's shame she had to use Rust to do it, because I think she clearly liked him and respected him as a person.
If she liked him, she wouldn't have used him to end her marriage and mess with Rust's friendship with Marty. But yeah, I get she needed a way out.
@@sebastianemond5313 oh yeah she definitely liked him, don't see the sexual tension between them too? Plus she liked him enough to give him a little fun before shit hits the fan.
Rust wasn’t the only viable way out of her marriage. Rust was the only viable avenue that she felt would destroy Marty.
She was willing to sacrifice Rust’s dignity and character to destroy Marty, as she knew she had power over him.
She thought she respected him, but true respect would’ve been leaving him out of it.
@@jlop6822 good point, i think she's also damaged to the point that she needed to ruin an ideal man with strong character like Rust to prove to herself that all men are deep down dirtbags, willing to sleep with their friend's wife.
@@metsrus not a bad angle. Definitely paints a worse image of Maggie though.
That means she’s stooping close to Marty’s level of trying to confirm his own biased belief that women are floozy/easy and exist to serve him primarily regardless of their place in his life.
In that analogy, Marty uses women to serve his own selfish interests - this drives Maggie crazy to the point where…she does the same exact thing.
0:22 interesting that Rust sees Maggie exit her truck in the mirror. Just like in their scene at the diner, where Rust leaves her there and we watch him get in his truck in the reflection of the window.
yeah he's the broken lady now. He's still a boss even though she crumbled rust and marty's empire. things just went completely off the rails after that
It sucks. It really does. That Maggie used Rust like that, when he'd been nothing but good to her as a friend and loyal to Marty as a partner. He was a bastard in his own right but did not deserve to be caught between their BS only to be used as a scapegoat, losing both of them and his job in the process. Worst of all, how Maggie took advantage of Rust when he was drunk, docile and miserable- she damn well knew he'd never go along if he were sober. Imagine Rust had taken advantage of her like that. Makes me sick. Honestly this scene made me both sad and shocked at her audacity, haha. I'm glad she's doing well out of spite for Marty and his idiocies, but I lost all respect for her in lieu of a sad kind of shame. Shame she had to resort to something so wrong.
Best “bullshit” ever lol.
I like how he responds to her personal questions as if she didn't ask them at all. I hate passive aggressiveness, but this is straight justified venom.
I feel like this scene really illustrates the actual sense of agency Rust felt towards Marty.
true that my brother
Well rust finely understands Marty. He assumed his wife was great. And not a monster. But her fake ass was playing everyone all but Marty.
Maggie's mom said earlier in the season that she has a tendency to tear others down with what she can't control. When she went to cheat on Mary, which fairplay to her because her husband stayed cheating. She went after his partner, while he was drunk and pretty much preyed on his vulnerability. She couldn't control Marty and his cheating, so she had to bring someone close to him into their mess just so she could end it. It was a calculated move and she had amazing timing to get to Marty drunk and vulnerable.
I think people saying Rust is mad because she outplayed him, I don't think is the case. She used him to get back at her husband, thus destroying the friendship and Rust pretty much saying "I quit". He definitely had a choice. But I don't think it would have went down that way if he was sober and in his right mind. Like I said, she preyed on his insecurities and the fact that he was drunk. Where she could have just served him with divorce papers. Dragging Rust into it, when he said repeatedly to both of them that it is not his business was wack and it spoke to what her mom said to her early on in the season.
Never craved Lone Star as much as now
i love the drunk passed out at the end
Signing that sniper contract ;)
"Rust. It's good to see you"
"BOO SHEE"
"It's good to see you."
"Bullshit."
0:40 After the shit she did to him, that’s a very understandable response
I understand why she did what she did, she needed a sure fire way to get rid of Marty, she had to do something extreme, It's a shame Rust ended up being used, he didn't deserve it.
She could have nailed any other man on earth with her good looks. Marty would still have left. She was just lazy and also wanted to ruin their friendship. Fuck her. Or rather, fuck the writing they did for her character.
More going on in this scene than all of TD season 4
Don't even bring that blasphemy up brother...
Also, very true😮💨
"Rust. It's good to see you."
"BuLlShIt."
Lol. Love how he doesn't give two shits! Always honest 😂😂😂
Such a great scene.
Michelle Monaghan should have her own fan-curated montages from this series; that's what I was looking for, and got this instead.
Scene after scene she killed, never losing an ounce of cool/dignity.
He never answered not one of her questions
Beautiful women are usually the greatest manipulators.
They're usually the only ones who have what most men really want.
If, as a man, you don't like your buttons being pushed then it is up to you, its up to me,, to understand that they are your buttons, they are my buttons. I give access or withold access to who pushes them. It is no small task to undestand that. Real wisdom will come from that struggle to understand.
well thats the weapon for women to survive in this man's world!!
@ Corey Pack , And how is Um Fu Fu treating you ?
Speak from experience.
the best romantic revenge right here
Rust/Nazgul: No man can kill me
Maggie/Eowyn: I’m not a man…..
lol
I gotta rewatch this season, as I have forgotten what lie he told her
Maggie was too much of a coward to leave Marty so she banged Rust. Glad she didn’t play any part in the final episodes.
hold up. maggie did leave marty and he crawled his way back to her. she knew that sleeping with a stranger wouldn't bother him so, to get him to leave for good, she used rust. you have read the complexities of it completely wrong.
the girl in question so she let him back and still couldn’t find the nerve to just divorce him she had to bang his partner. Just because Marty is a piece of shit doesn’t justify her adultery.
@@smellslikewrasslin Neither Rust, Marty or Maggie are blameless. But that didn't matter by the end. They all find redemption and healing. Even rust forgives her I believe in that same episode when he tells Marty that it was his fault that she did what she did. And what do you mean she didn't play a part in the final episodes? She was there with Marty in the hospital at the end. Look very carefully during that scene. She's still wearing her wedding ring indicating that it's not too late for them now that Marty can finally be honest about his feelings.
@@Brandon_Powell she was married to someone else. There was nothing underlying about her having a ring. All it showed was what Marty lost. That's it.
@@blazinpuffs I don't remember them mentioning that she remarried. If that is the case the show could have communicated that plot point better.
Rust let Marty get a lot of punches in on him in there fight because he knows it wasnt Maggie's fault he slept with her though it did hurt him she was just using him and would use him despite his and her friendship not just his and marty partnership.
Title should be "Maggie visits Rust..for the second time" 😉
Maggie liked Rust, Rust saw her just as a good friend. Rust was never ready to risk his relationship with Marty. So many times Rust had avoided Maggie but at last she used Rust to get out from a toxic relationship with Marty.
But I don't know how she found out Rust
Maggie did not like rust one bit stop!
@@Rubrick23.
Yeah she did.
@@Rubrick23. she respected him more than Marty, because Rust was more self aware and knew himself.
how tha hell she found Rusty? maybe she is a true detective
I was thinking of this and put of the blue it was recommended to me. Freaky.
"bullshit"
Maggie resembles and sounds like Maggie from TWD? ....and ‘older’ maggie still looks good. 🤤
Was she a doctor back in the day , I mean in a show might have been ER
I don't understand why the fandom despises Maggie so much when Rust himself (whom the fandom whorships) thinks she's a "good woman" till the end of the series, and Marty clearly still loves her (tho I feel like more in a sense of family, not so much in a romantic sense anymore, you see how he doesn't pay any mind to the wedding ring on her finger, he just smiles at her and his daughters) and she loves him just the same, she covers for him and she goes to see Rust out of worry for Marty. Watching the series and not being able to get past Maggie's human flaws, when they never stop showing you other characters flaws... It blows my mind, I don't get it.
@@lucasmoreirasantos8377 absolutely. It makes no sense to like Marty despite his (many, many) flaws, and then act like Maggie's one act of revenge is unforgivable. I think part of it is because the story is told from Rust and Marty's perspective, so you empathize a lot more with them, and then the other part of it is prejudice, probably unconscious, but prejudice all the same. For me, at one point of the series (specifically when he grabs Maggie by the neck and it's apparent he would physically hurt her, if she hadn't stopped him by threatening him) I didn't even feel like Marty could be saved as a character, in the sense that I didn't think I'd be able to like him ever again. But I think most people, seeing him in the 2012 timeline, are able to forgive him, or at least I did.
Exactly!!! In the last episode Marty says to Rust, "She couldn't have used you, if you didn't want some." Rust then replies with, "There you go. Everybody's got a choice." Seems like all these fans forget that conversation.
i think a big part of it is because not only did she cheat, which in this case, fair enough, but she went out of her way to bring someone else into it and destroy the other persons friendship and partnership. To be fair, rust absolutely had a choice in the matter and fucked up, but she went OUT OF HER WAY to do that.
She's also a minor character compared to rust and marty, so one of her only major moments in the show is doing something that most people find shitty, where we see a lot more of the guys, both shitty and good
@@sparky918 her one shitty act pales in comparison to Marty's long path of shit acts. People who see her character through that one moment of her life and ignore everything before (the many years of being cheated on and putting up with Marty's shit) and everything after (her worrying about and caring for Marty in the 2012 timeline, long after their divorce), are either not paying attention, or blinded by sexism.
Also yes she went out of her way to fuck Rust, it wasn't an accident, it was her plan, to make Marty mad enough that he would leave, cause she had tried leaving him before and it hadn't worked, cause she let him back in, cause she loved him.
Whataboutism. All we have of
Maggie is that she was Marty’s wife and the mother to his children, and that she cheated. I’ve never seen one person say what Marty did with his infidelity’s was right. People hate that about him.
Did she really go to bar to inquire about Marty or she wanted to see Rust again and maybe apologize?
both
Guilt played a huge role i think. Shes a narcissist though, so in the end she would have just hurt him again. Notice he dodges every bs question? He aint opening up to that mfer again lol
Rust doesn't even want to see her.
I think it's because deep down he has abit of a crush on her, and he knows she has abit of a crush on him. But his loyalty to Marty makes him despise his feelings and just want her gone. A good friend.
This fucking show makes me wanna opt out and walk hand and hand into oblivion. But then i couldnt watch it, so, I dunno what to do.
Jameson's did well out of the product placement.
What does rust mean when he says "it doesn't sit right with me then and it doesn't now, you asking me to lie to you about him"???? What was Rust lying about???
What she asked right before, if Marty could get hurt. He's just saying he's not going to lie to her and say that Marty would be safe diving back into the case.
Man Cohle is such a sigma chad
Can anyone explain the comment he makes saying 'It doesn't sit right, you asking me to lie to you about him' I'm lost with what that is referring to in the show? When does she ask him to lie to her?
Marty hurt that woman so bad, so many times. Sad it came to all this.
Although i can comprehend why she would choose to manipulate Rust and hurt Marty in the most effective manner for lack of a better term, being cheated on twice makes you vulnerable to debauchery i suppose but i couldn't help but think she was utterly shelfish, Marty given his proclivity towards obsessive possession over his ladies, whether they be his daughters, wife or mistresses, he would have reacted pretty much the same if it were the man from the bar, he would have flipped out either way. This woman however, did not for all her intelligence, give any semblance to the situation the lads were in. I was so mad at her, the reason being that if it wasn't for her poor judgement, Rust would not have been discredited, he was utterly invested in the case and he was inching closer to crucial clues. He needed Marty's support to succeed given his friction with the higher authorities and they might have helped save countless lives.
8 years...........this woman broke their bond that left Rust unemployed (not that he had any intention of staying on the force to begin with, did better off without being a member) but more importantly alone. She used his trust, and yes Rust was just as much responsible for the choice, but he was a mess working on a case as evil as it was and everyone on the force calling him a fool for his structured theories including Marty, dealing with his past both as an undercover agent and the loss of his wife and only child. I don't blame him, in comparison her problem of a cheating husband seems trivial. Infact that's how she broke him when she says, "You should not have to live like this" pretty low move, woman.. getting him to reflect on his vulnerabilities. I developed more respect for the character after this scene, because he was a perfect gentleman, most people in his shoes would have been a lot more resentful. If it wasn't for the fall out, i wonder how the case would have escalated.......Maggie is projected as a perceptive character, am I to believe that she did not foresee how this blunder would affect everyone involved, I'm sure she had an inkling of the severity of the case after the Ledoux debacle. Rust has every right to refute her attempt at camaraderie. She's got a long road to climb in my opinion.
WHAT
She chose Rust because like she said it would break Marty and make him leave without second thoughts. It's because Rust was Marty's friend and she used that friendship. It had been with a stranger,Marty wouldn't have been this pissed off and likely wouldn't have divorced her.
@@tiaaaron3278
Women doesn't need to screw someone best friend to get a divorce. She just wanted to hurt marty. She can get a divorce even without screwing anyone. This is bs.
Thank you now I don't have to watch the series LOL 😉✌
@@Babebubby
Well go watch it. Also don't try to read spoilers on internet before you watch the show. It's ruins the fun. This infidelity scene in the show has very small impact. The show has way more.
Matthew n michelle should star in a rom com..
What song is playing in the background?
But did she jump or was she pushed tho?
Can someone please tell me what he says right after "It never sat right with me, you guys........." ?
“It never sat right with me then, and it doesn’t now, you asking me to lie to you about him”
Does anybody know the song in the background?
did she jump or was she punished
i would say of course he was not only drunk she told him first be honest.......like just imagine how it could be after she left marty......he is also after 10 years telling rust he had a choice.....OF COURSE HE IS LIKE ALL HUMANS SOMEONE WHICH NEEDS SOMEBODY.......HE TRIED TO STOP HER BUT SHE SEDUCED HIM AND AFTER NOW IS BECOMING SOMETHING I GUESS A WOMEN NEVER WOULD FORGIVE OR TRY TO BE HONEST AND SAY IT WAS ALSO HIS CHOICE....is one of the sad moments in the season when she put her panties on and he notice why she only was using him......i imagine something like that a man could never do to a women like she did....after so long time and i believe her also is very difficult for ladies to go out and having sex with a stranger? i mean sobber and not a single nymphe........... she had no choice and she told him how she tried in a bar..........but he takes all responsibilty for that to himself....I THINK THATS A REAL HERO OR?
People on this comment section you guys don't understand she doesn't I'll play him. She regrets leaving her husband. She understood that she thought she left them but instead they moved on forever without her. In this story she's the girl looking in the window without a history. No matter how sad Marty and rust were they were more conflicted on loosing a friendship than Maggie. This sense is beautiful because rust shows he doesn't give a fuck about Maggie feelings for him or Marty
What song is this????!!!
what is the song in this clip called? anyone?
"Did She Jump or Was She Pushed?" By Richard and Linda Thompson
0:40
What a 304.
Some bum on ya
And THAT my friends is an example of why the practice of MGTOW developed today.
whats that
In this case its RGHOW.
i think she cares too much for rust. even back then, deep down she wanted some thing more than just a revenge from husband. she used rust, it was also a passion, a care, a hope to earn rust. that's just the way that women are. as soon as they see a mysterious man, all of their soul is in pain 'til they make the man normal as any. usually the best way is sex, which didn't work in this case
@@waragainstmyself1159 people are whores fella. It only bothers you if you aint gettin any
@The YoPancake Show If I dont worship women, i must be a big fat incel. Keep projecting there fat boy pancakes.
@@waragainstmyself1159 oh im not jumping to the defense of anything or anyone. I wanted to make you look as diminutive to yourself as you do to everyone else. Your self image practically projected in that comment was wrought with a sense of inferiority and impotence. I dont give a fuck wether women actually are whores or not, i just found you fucking wimpy as shit. (same with racists not out of moral obstinacy but a stance formed from facts) recognize your own inadequacy.
Spoiler...:
Marty got hurt.. not as much as russ
My ex toxic: it’s good to see you!
Me: bullshit!
Ahhh, but who gave her a ride? (Never Noticed that Before...GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!)
Obviously shes a minion of the yellow king she destroys rust and marty partnership effectively ending cohles career now she goes to try and sabotage there investigation but doesn't have the power over either she once did but shes there Lickety split at the hospital by Marty's side with what he thinks are his daughters to make sure they go no further like finding out lawnmower man was a pissant scrap thrown to them as a decoy hell that dude was just a caretaker who hated his dad and had a big marijuana crop growing.
*Bullshit* - Rust Cohle
Slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag!!!!!!
I love how everyone is blaming her for the whole discrepancy when he could have easily just not slept with her. Come on. He's not a dumbass. Lmao.
The issue here is... In modern day if a women is drunk, whether she is giving consent or not dosent matter... Legally u should not sleep with a woman who is drunk, as its considered that she cant give consent, yet with rust here the exact thing happened, but since he is a man, that question is never asked...
@@Avikpalui oh shit you're right. Wow. I can't believe I didn't see it that way goes to show how engrained double standards are.
He was drunk. Didn’t have the wherewithal to properly consent
bullshit hahaha
Bullshit.
It's always refreshing to see the social strata restrictions work the opposite way.
Maggie, the only person who outsmarted Rust Cohle
Rust was super drunk and she has a powerful pussy, she literally used her trump card during his weakest state.
@@insanezombieman753 how did she rape him
He was drunk and angry. Hardly the seduction of the century
Maggie Outsmarted him by pussy not brain. Men can't resist an women specially if he is lonely for years and not sober. Post nut clarity will always defeat all reasons and intelligence.
@@insanezombieman753 HOW DID SHE RAPE HIM?
Bullshit.